good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from minneapolis. it's 5:00 eastern. let's get to work. ♪ what is the risk of doing nothing? >> we are looking at the possibility of a limited, narrow act. >> what we choose to do or not do matters in real ways to our own security. >> consulting with our allies. we're consulting with the international community. >> british parliament has voted against taking military action against syria. >> we need to understand the

public skepticism. >> u.s. warships are heading toward syria. oh, my god. >> the president's got a tough choice to make. >> this is going to be an enjoyable switch for obama. now he can start a war that the next president will be stuck with. >> what about the rest of the world turning saying we've got wait for the u.n.? you've been through that before. >> to stop these terrorist killers. thank you. now watch this drive. >> i refuse to be roped in. ♪ >> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching "the ed show" from minneapolis. i tweeted out this afternoon and i think we need to think about this. at least this is where i am. if we hit syria, it's an act of war. can we guarantee innocent people

won't die? syria has not hit us. so it's all about chemical weapons. it's all about the moral response that we have to have to lead the world. if you are a skeptical american, you are not alone. but it looks like the united states has laid all the groundwork it can at this point for striking syria. and if i were a betting man, i'd be in vegas and i would put money on the fact that we are going to hit the syrians. the sell job if you're skeptical is on. both president obama and secretary of state john kerry addressed the nation on syria today. late this afternoon, here is the entire speech from the president. >> today, we've released our unclassified assessment detailing with high confidence that the syrian regime carried out a chemical weapons attack that killed well over 1,000 people, including hundreds of children. this follows the horrific images that shocked us all.

this kind of attack is a challenge to the world. we cannot accept a world where women and children and innocent civilians are gassed on a terrible scale. this kind of attack threatens our national security interests by violating well established international norms against the use of chemical weapons by further threatening friends and allies of ours in the region like israel and turkey and jordan. and it increases the risk that chemical weapons will be use the in the future and fall into the hands of terrorist who's might use them against us. so i have said before and i meant what i said that the world has an obligation to make sure that we maintain the norm against the use as you of chemical weapons. now, i have not made a final

decision about various actions that might be taken to help enforce that. but we have consulted with allies. we've consulted with congress. we've been in conversations with all the interested parties. and in no event are we considering any kind you have military action that would involve boots on the ground, that would involve a long-term campaign. but we are looking at the possibility of a limited, narrow act that would help make sure that not only syria but others around the world understand that the international community cares about maintaining this

chemical weapons ban and norm. but again, i repeat, we're not considering any open-ended commitment. we're not considering a ining a on the ground approach. what we do is consider options that meet the narrow concern around chemical weapons understanding that there's not going to be a solely military solution to the underlying conflict and tragedy that's taking place in syria. >> so the phraseology during the bush years was slam-dunk. now it's high confidence. we have high confidence that civilians won't be killed in syria. is that the moral high ground? what is a limited narrow act? if you get killed by a tomahawk missile, are you going to be thinking, that was kind of a narrow little thing happening in my life. come on now. syria has not attacked the united states.

this is a civil war within their border. this is not our call. if all those conversation about well, it's the high ground. it's chemical weapons. what difference does it make? the dynamics of the middle east today are far different from what they've been in the past. this is a whole different ball game. earlier today, secretary of state john kerry told the nation, the detas about syria's use of chemical weapons. >> we know that the assad regime has the largest chemical weapons program in the entire middle east. we know that the regime has used those weapons multiple times this year. and has used them on a smaller scale but still, it has used them against its own people. we know what the doctors and the nurse who's treated them didn't report. not a scratch. not a shrapnel wound. not a cut. not a gunshot wound.

we saw rows of deadlined up in burial shrouds. the white linen unstained by a single drop of blood. >> secretary kerry talking about what we know. what do we know? do we know for sure that are if we hit syria, there's no way that this is going to unite the syrian people behind their dictator because they don't like the united states? do we know what the human reaction is going to be from the syrian people towards the united states? are we going to be the honest broker in the world if we do this? secretary kerry is well aware of this country and how sick and tired we are of war. he address this had issue earlier today. >> we know that after a decade of conflict, the american people are tired of war. believe me, i am, too. but fatigue, does not absolve us of our responsibility.

just longing for peace does not necessarily bring it about. >> well, our best ally doesn't see the responsibility the way the united states does. great britain is not on the same page as the united states. that was on record last night. the british parliament voted against taking military action in syria. even though prime minister david cameron thinks military action is warranted and necessary, he accepts the parliament's decision. >> i have a very strong view that we need to take a tough and robust approach around the world to an pauling war crime that's taken place in syria, but i'm also a democrat who believes in consulting and listening to parliament. i think i've set out those steps in a very deliberate and careful way but we have to listen to parliament. parliament spoke and made i think a very clear view which it doesn't want british involvement in military action. >> so no cowboy diplomat sit in great britain. they're going to listen to the people. i agree with the brits and the

parliament and i do not think we need to take military actioning in syria and i think a lot of americans feel the way i do on this. one of the many reasons i'm against be this strike can the way george bush ran foreign policy for this country for eight years. here he is this morning on the golf course talking about war with syria. >> the president's got a tough choice to make. if he decides to use our military, he'll have the greatest military ever backing him up. >> right. >> what has syria been like for the u.s. in the eight years that you bed? >> i was not a fan of mr. assad. he's an ally of iran and he's made mischief. >> what would a strike in the middle east be without bush talking about it? it just wouldn't seem the same, would it? bush is giving president obama a backhanded pass. in other words, he's saying i don't have any problem if you

hit this guy who had some mischief. i didn't get along with him. bush is no authority on what course this country should take when it comes to middle east matters. he was wrong before. and he's wrong right now. when it comes to world credibility, president obama, well, he's trying to mop up the bush years and the bush legacy. they don't know if they can count on us or not. the result? nations like great britain are stepping away from action in syria. george bush ruined america's credibility when it comes 0 intervention and this is part of the problem that president obama has. he can't go out and get a coalition of the willing so easily anymore because of this country's record of lying to the world, of misstepping, of creating refugees. how do we know this is going to be the right thing to do just because on paper it says it's the moral thing to do? i don't buy it. i haven't seen enough. and i hope it doesn't happen.

get your cell phones out. for tonight's question, i ask, the audience again, should the united states take military action against syria ria? >> a for yes, b for no to 67622. you can go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring you the results later in the show. i have two exberts on this tonight. this is where america comes to talk, "the ed show." former navy admiral who worked in intelligence, former pennsylvania ef congressman joe ses stack with us and john gar mandy. this is the most we have heard everywhere secretary of state kerry, the most from president obama. today is a big news day. congressman, you first. 78% of the american people want congressional approval before a strike on syria. what does that mean to you? >> well, it's an important issue but much, much more important is the constitution of the united states which is absolutely

clear. america does not go to war without congress saying we're going to go to war. the president talked about all of those things but missed one very, very important element and that is the constitution and his responsibility to come to congress, to explain with all of the classified material, not just account unclassified material why it makes sense, why it's necessary. what the potential outcomes are, what the problems are. and then it's my responsibility as one of 535 members elected by the people of the united states to decide whether we're going to go to war or not. it's in the constitution. there is no imminent threat here. the wars power act says imminent. imminent threat. then the president can take action. there's nothing implement here. we have time. call us back, mr. boehner. i'll be on the airplane tonight on the red eye, i'll be in washington tomorrow morning, call us back president. you come and tell us why we

ought to go to war. >> so congressman garamendi, very clear here, if the president calls for action before you come back or any other representative comes back, it will be a mistake in your view? >> well, that's the kind word, mistake. it's more than a mistake. the constitution's clear here. only in an imminent threat under the war powers act does the president have the authority to go to war. otherwise, you have to come to congress and listen, you drop missiles into some country, that's an act of war under any definition. >> all right. admiral sestak, do you agree with that? if we send 200 cruise missiles into syria, is that an act of war or an international retaliation trying to right a wrong? another question i want you to address, joe, how can we launch 200 cruise missiles and that's the number being tossed around and not kill innocent people?

are we that good? >> you know, i have great respect for the congressman's opinion. when i was in congress, i felt that congress abdicated so much of its responsibility for oversight of our military. four years there, ed and not one hearing like we did in vietnam on why and where goes the war in iraq. but i also served in the white house. i understand why over 130 times every president has used force since vietnam and not requested permission on limited strikes saying that it is their constitutional right to do so. now, that said, you remember, ed, iran. we struck iran one year ago. we actually struck it with a virus and took down its centrifuges. if we had struck it with a missile, kinetic energy, i think we would very heard congress saying something about the power act, but they didn't when we used a cyber space act. warfare has changed. when the constitution was made, we knew what war was.

it was traditional. heavy land mass. today, it's a cyber attack. look, i think the president has boxed himself in. i think that this strike will having hardly any impact. it's more therapeutic, but i know this. that the word of the president has been out there saying a red line has been drawn. we said we would do this. if we don't do that, what happens the next time when a commander in chief says we are going to do this but didn't back up our word the last time that is the horns of dilemma. i would support unfortunately this president doing this limited strike as over 130 times other presidents have. >> okay. limited strike. when you talk about a limited strike, that makes it sound like it's more about sending a message than it is about really hitting them. >> you're spot on. this is almost a bromide look at, you know, two and a half

years ago, syria started. we used to give the more secular rebels communication gears because we wanted to listen in and figure out who was whom. we knew about a year and a half ago and i came on your show and said we should be good-bying small arms to the rebels. now you have the more radical rebels in charge. you have hezbollah in there, assad surge in. this strike is not going to change assad minds. this strike is more for telling iran and north korea and others that the president's word means something, having gone around this world, 82 countries in my 32 years, it does matter out there when the president speaks of a red line, he backs it up. >> congressman garamendi, go ahead, sir. >> we're a democracy. we're a constitutional democracy. it's very, very clear. the united kingdom, david cameron went to the representatives of the people of great britain and he said, i

think we ought to act and they said no. the president of the united states should come to the congress and he should tell us why this is necessary. all that the admiral said is may be correct, but it's our decision. it is the decision of the representatives of the people of the united states. under the constitution. you need to pay attention to the constitution. that it was done before without congress doesn't make it right this time. and we have time to do this. >> congressman, quickly, if the president does go to the congress, do you think he would get support for air strikes? >> you was listening to many of my colleagues as we listened to the white house in an unclassified review all of which was on msnbc and other stations. and i think that the votes would probably be there. based upon what i've heard thus far, i'm a no vote. but maybe there's something that can be added that's classified that will change my mind.

that's what the process should bring to and in that process the american people would be behind the president. >> all right. the thing that bothers me about all this we strike them. it could unify the syrian people against us. joe, can you comment on that? is that a possibility. >> you're absolutely right. we could have the rebels be using chemical weapons. what do we do then? how about if hezbollah strikes israel? this is a very inartful way that the president drew this red line. when you're in charge of the security of america, you must make sure you know what the end game would be. that said, if the president ever again draws a red line, does he first come to congress and say, will you back me up before i say anything? and if my mind, that's what this is about, unfortunately, is our credibility to the world. >> all right. joe sestak, john garamendi, i appreciate it so much. coming up, detroit's government is broke but its people are far from broken. we'll have the latest from

detroit next. and don't forget to check out "hardball" with chris matthews. its new time 7:00 p.m. live eastern right here on msnbc. we're coming right back.

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in the uk. >> it's huge because a cowboy would be born in the uk. >> is this pan dan pregnant? she's not giving much away. >> the new arrival could be born between late august and september. >> our number two trender. caught red handed. >> today's event excluded black republicans and conservatives. >> is that george w. bush a former president. >> i don't know if he was invited. >> no republicans and conservatives were invited. >> wrong. i was wrong. >> and bill o'reilly does the unthink be. some republicans were asked to speak. they declined. i'm sorry i made that mistake. >> and today's top trender rolling in the "d." >> detroit's the poster child for the deindustrialzation of in irk. >> the pensions of 23,500 city retirees rls at stake. >> 36 years and you have a pension that you think you're going to get and lose part of

it? this is very deb stating >> this is going to be a travesty. if they take anything away. >> detroit residents fight to save their city. >> we are working as a community group to stabilize our community. >> detroit has to have a growth strategy and not a cutting strategy. ing >> i'm join bid reverend wendell anthony, president of the detroit branch of the naacp and detroit homeowner lee ged december is back with us. great to have you with us. reverend anthony, do you trust business leaders to reinvest in detroit? we got quite the sell job from some of the business people on this network yesterday. it was all positive. but i think we're missing a little bit of the story that we have been covering about what has happened to workers. what's happening in your opinion? and do you trust the business leaders who reinvest in workers in that city? >> well, thank you, ed. i'm so glad we are able to have

the other side of this. there's an old proverb that says until the lion tells his own story, tales of the hunt will always glorify the punt hunter. we want to tell our own story. it's important to have business involved in the city of detroit but we don't need a downtown detroit and a neighborhood detroit. we need one detroit. so while we're glad that "morning joe" came in to talk about detroit and he talked to a number of individuals, absent the input of individuals like us from the neighborhood and from the community, it's important to have that other strategy. we want downtown development, ed. we want people to be employed. but after the bankruptcy, after kevin orr is no more, where do we go from here? where are the jobs? what about the pensions that the people have worked so hard for? where is the money coming in to build rebuild the and the neighborhoods? those questions are yet to be determined and to be asked. as we see the development of

downtown, there's a lot of development going on downtown. as we see new stadiums coming in, as we seed individuals buying up buildings for their personal use and to employ certain individuals. as we see all this happening, we also need to see and to make sure that the neighborhoods are brought to the table because if you don't bring the neighborhoods to the stable, there is no stabilization in the city of detroit. >> you got to do it for the people. now, i would venture. >> absolutely. >> to say, i would venture to say that no person of any wherewithal or wealth is going to invest in detroit unless they can make a dollar. i mean, they're not doing it out of the kindness of their heart. lee, officials are saying blight removal is good for the city. what do you say? >> well, ed, i think that if they actually wanted to do something sensible and employ detroiters by deconstructing houses recycling the bricks and old growth beam timmers they could do it in a much more

economically feasible way and one that would empower the unemployed here in detroit. when we talk about economic investment into detroit, what the business community talks abouting is two square miles of downtown in a city that's 139 square miles. when we have a dictator in kevin orr who is living high on taxpayer dollars even though he's not an elected official, but we're paying him $275,000 a year of detroit taxpayer dollars, the state should be paying for him, not the citizens of detroit. when we talk about investment ---ing >> lee, tell me about your neighbors. i got to ask you, have people given up hope or are they believing? >> no, ed. we are here in detroit fighting for our city. we're fighting for our tax money to not be spent on billionaires new play things in downtown detroit when you talk about kevin orr says we're broke one minute and then we the taxpayers

have to pay for a $450 hockey stadium for a billionaire, that's the fight we're in in our communities. we want that $450 million to be spent in our neighborhoods. we want, police, fire, garbage and lighting in our neighborhoods. that's what we're paying for city services, not for billionaire's play things. >> if i can say this one of the great resources of detroit is its people. you saw kevin orr standing there in the water fountain in detroit while they were showing nice pictures of downtown, that's fine. downtown is nice. they were showing dilapidated buildings and rundown buildings in the community. that's not my community. that's not detroit. i want the nation to know you're getting a raw deal. that's not the wait detroit is. yes, there's some dilapidated buildings and messed up situations but there's messed up situations in your community. if you really want to see the total detroit, let's look at the total picture and bring everybody to the table so we can

resolve the issues that confront people and not product over. >> all right. reverend wendell anthony and lee geddes, thanks so much. go ahead, quickly. >> ed, what we're looking at is a tale of three detroits, one for the rich downtown, one for the taxpayers and another that is servicing the suburban communities. we're asked to pay for other people's play things. that's not right. >> we'll leave it there. we will follow the story. appreciate bowing you gentlemen being on the show. thanks so much. the president prepares to hit the road again to promote health care after a summer of full republican lies. we'll look at why the christian right wants to kill obama care. this weekend, we celebrate the american worker. adam green joins me to discuss how they're not taking a day off from the fight for workers rights. next i'm taking your questions just ahead. stay tuned. we'll be right back.

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a growing number of right wing christians are coming out day after day opposing obama care under their leadership. and as a christian, i think i have an obligation to expose their hypocrisy. they don't want to be their brother's keeper. make no mistake, there is no moral or religious case for taking away health care from 30 million americans. i would like an evangelical christian pastor to come on this program and explain to me where i'm wrong. >> welcome back to "the ed show." in a moment, i'll be speaking with a man of faith who believes he can justify taking health

care away from 30 million americans. just as the white house gets ready for a major obama care push, over the next six months, the marquee names in the administration will be hitting the road once again to sell the american people on a law, the affordable health care act. the president, the first lady, michelle obama, also vice president joe biden and joe biden, they're expected to travel to key states to educate the public and encourage the folks to enroll in the new coverage options that are out there in america. in the meantime, the religious right spent the summer bearing false witness against obama care. these republicans have lied. >> let's repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children, kills senior citizens. let's not do that. let's love people. as people of faith, i'm a born again believer in jesus christ.

and i believe that it is part of my duty as i an believer in christ and what he has done for me that we should do for the least of those who are in our midst. >> well, her words speak for themselves. don't they? they have threatened to shut down the government over this. >> the continuing resolution that funds congress expires on september 30th. i've publicly stated as has mike lie and marco rubio and a number of other senators that i will not vote for any continuing resolution that funds even a single penny of obama care. >> most of all, they have forsaken the golden rule and turned their backs on the needy, the poor and the sick. where is the moral compass in all of this in the christian faith? joining me now to talk about it, june fugelsang with us tonight and chaplain gordon james clingen schmidt who i appreciate taking our invitation to come on the program. chaplain, i'm just looking for

you to make the moral case for taking health care away from someone with a pre-existing condition. thanks for joining us tonight. >> thank you, mr. schultz. it's an honor to be invited on your prestigious show. i am a p.h.d. in theology. i have a bachelor's degree in politics from the air force academy. my organization the pray in jesus name projects has delivered 4.5 million petitions to congress in the past five years of which 1.2 million were to stop obama care from hurting poor people from taking health care away from poor people. you have your facts upside down. jesus said in john chapter 10 the devil comes to steal kill and destroy but i have come that you might have life and more abundantly. jesus pro-life. i'm going to read you why obama care kills people. here is obama care. this is a section of the bill is, rule 18023, abortions for which public funding is allowed. they're using your taxpayer dollars to fund planned

parenthood to the tune of half a billion dollars a year. 23 courts have ruled it's unconstitutional to enforce. >> i want to bring back, you go to the law and say that and i go to the executive order 13523 signed by president obama march 24th, 2010 that says reinforces the commitment to the hyde amendment's policy of restricting federal funds for abortion in the context of obama care. now, this is diverting away from my question in a sense and i just want to bring you back. we're talking about someone with a pre-existing condition who will be denied health care. what is the christian position on that? because obama care will make it possible for someone with a pre-existing condition to be able to go to an insurance company and not be denied. the christian position is to deny people? chaplain? >> no, the christian position is not to kill innocent children

even of rape and incest because that's murder. we don't fund murder. 23 courts have ruled that obama care is unconstitutional if it enforces a christian employer such as the thomas nelson bible publisher or hobby lobby u corporation 0 pay for abortion with their private dollars. >> no, you again are getting away from my question. we're talking about health care coverage for americans. we're talking about poor people. the christian faith is very clear. feed the poor, heal the sick. is it really christ-like to take health care away from americans that should have health care that will save their life? >> well, actually, obama care takes health care away from a half a billion dollars was taken from old people from medicare to fund basically. >> that's a lie. >> people who refuse to get jobs. >> john, fugelsang, you want to jump in on that? chaplain, that's a right wing

bullet point. it's not true. >> i is jump in. good evening, sir. jesus never asked a leper for a copay and in matthew 10. 70 commands followers to heal the sick. every option of health care on the exchange allows for a woman to choose a provider that will only allow abortion in cases of rape or incest. where he's being an disingenuous is the only time that will pay for abortion if it's in the case of rape or incest or if you believe as he does that contraception is the same as abortion. i'd like to ask the chaplain if i could, jesus never condemns abortion even though bream terminating praegs pregnancies at the time. he does come out however against killing account sinner through the dp. have you sir, ever once protested your tax dollars being taken to fund state sanctioned killing? >> have you ever? i'll take you seriously as pro-life if you've ever once protested your tax dollars

protesting executions. that's what jesus talked about, not abortion. >> it's quite the opposite. jesus said in mark 15, if anyone disobeys or dishonors his mother and father he should be put to death. >> no nos, he did not say that. he's quoting levity cuss. some of us know that story, sir. >> if somebody offends a child, he should have a millstone hung around his neck and be thrown in the depths of the sea. >> and the death penalty, that is state sanctioned murder it do you as a christian object to yo your. >> i think jesus in favor of guilty people. >> he most certainly is not. no, he's always against it. >> chaplain, i'd like to you come back on the program sometime because i want you to answer the question. is it christ-like to take health

care away from americans who desperately need it who are sick. because what we have seen. >> i think obama care is taking -- u.p.s. you just fired 15,000 people because of obama care. >> it's not taking health care away from anyone. in fact, it is providing for 30 million people. >> bring you back and i'll bring you all the stats. >> i will bring you back. >> john fugelsang and gordon james, great to have you with us tonight. up next. he will rush row's cheap talk about fast food workers lands him in pretenders. stay tuned. know what's impress? a talking car. but i'll tell you what impresses me. a talking train. this ge locomotive can tell you exactly where it is, what it's carrying, while using less fuel. delivering whatever the world needs, when it needs it. ♪ after all, what's the point of talking if you don't have something important to say? ♪

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>> it's very sad, very sad to watch. >> water boy, yeah, water boy. >> tomorrow marco rubio and rick scott headline an american for prosperity summit. >> florida wins, right? fast forward to number two. obama care 101. >> the health care reform that will lower costs and lengthen lives. >> president clinton will give a speech on health care reform on wednesday, ahead of the october open enrollment. >> somebody sent out a tweet. they said you should appoint him secretary of explaining stuff. >> good stuff, maynard. >> good stuff. >> stuff. i cleaned that up a little bit. >> i'm too old for this. >> and our number one story to watch, labor pains. >> we're fighting a losing game. >> uh-oh. sounds like somebody's got a case of the mondays. >> monday is labor day, a day to celebrate you, the workers of

america. the for worker pro community movement in this country, that fight is worth fighting for. >> adam green, co-founder of the progressive change campaign can committee with us tonight. one of the country can's largest grassroots organizations with a mission to protect the working class in america. adam, great to have you back with us tonight. i know that republicans are planning on gutting social security and medicare if they ever get the power. what is your group doing to fight back against that, and what kind of response are you getting in red states on these issues? >> well, ed, first, it's great to have you back on weekdays. it's a great voice for workers here on prime time. progressives are done playing defense. we want to play offense. and that's why our group, as well as many other progressive organizations are actually pushing to expand social security benefits as opposed to cutting them. over 400,000 worker, everyday families have signed up for this

at expandsocialsecurity.com. when you think back at the great victories that have been made for workers over time, social security, the minimum wage, the weekend, all of these are the results of progressives of yesteryear making the mental decision to actually go on offense. that's what we're doing. we're proud to rally around people like senator tom harkin and mark begich from the red state of alaska who are at the forefront of this fight. >> what you seeing in polling in red states on these issues? >> it's pretty amazing. we've been doing state by state polls along with some of our friends. and in the red state of kentucky, kentucky of all places, mitch mcconnell, senator mitch mcconnell's home state, by two to one, voters want to expand social security benefits and vow to hold him accountable if he cuts benefits. in the deep red state of texas by 3-1 voter ex-spord expanding social security benefits. the list goes on and on, in colorado, in places like

california. whether it's blue, purple or red states, voters are on the same page. we have bipartisanship on main street america. and people want in this area of corporations cutting pensions, people want to expand, not cut them. >> i know your group has done a lot of work on obama care as well. where are we going to be a year from now in your opinion, going into the midterms. is this going to be a health care story that democrats on the campaign trail are going to be able to positively out the because of all of the examples that are going to be out there? how much of a political weapon is this going to be? >> i think that the more democrats go on offense in general, the better they tend to do as is backed up by some of the poll numbers that you just showed. to the extent that democrats give a full-throated defense of taking on the insurance companies and giving rights to regular families and patients, democrats will win. this is a winning issue for democrats. and down the road, as we go more and more towards the direction of a public option, it will become more of a winning issue

there is nothing to be afraid of when talking about health care. i'm really looking forward to bill clinton's speech. i'm sure he'll give it a really good case. and there are other issues as well. we're aiming to make social security going on offense and expanding benefits an election issue. we're already running tv ads in the red state of kentucky on this. and we hope that millions of dollars will be spent, making the case to voters that it's time to expand benefits, not cutting them. not cut them. and our hunch is that this will be a very, very winning issue for democrats if they embrace it. >> i mean, i find that fascinating that the republicans are going after programs that in red states are polling positively with their constituents. social security, medicare, medicaid, all of those things. i mean it really shows that the worm is turning a great deal. adam green, thanks for your time tonight. i appreciate it so much. you folks at the pccc do some great work. no doubt about it. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now.

good evening, rev. >> how you doing, ed? and glad to hear a lot of what you and adam were talking about. have a great weekend. >> you too, my friend. thanks. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, making the case. today president obama made it clear. syria will have to answer for what the secretary of state called a, quote, brutal and flagrant use of chemical weapons against its own citizens. it comes just hours after white house intelligence report was released. detailing the horrors within that country and the evidence that it has against the assad regime. the president met earlier today with his national security team. and while he confirmed that no final decision has been made, he said the atrocities cannot be ignored. >> this kind of attack is a challenge to the world.