good morning. i'm chris jansing. breaking news. a key senator who was backing the president's plan to strike syria may be pulling his support. we just learned senator john mccain will not support the senate resolution as written on syria. right now, two senate committees are behind closed doors with the secretaries of defense and state at this critical moment for us foreign policy. while the obama administration is trying to build support for a strike on syria here at home, the president is in sweden laying the groundwork to lay a international coalition to get behind him too. he says he wasn't the one who drew the red line against the force of chemical weapons. >> i didn't make it up. i didn't pluck it out of thin air. there's a reason for it. my credibility is not on the line. the international community's

credibility is on the line and america and congress's credibility is on the line because we give lip service to the notion that these international norms are important. >> now we should point out that he made those comments literally just minutes before we learn about senator mccain's decision, but the president insisted congress will stand with him. >> i believe that congress will approve it, but i think america also recognizes that if the international community fails to maintain certain norms, standards, laws governing how countries in iraq and how people are treated, that, over time, this world becomes less safe. >> so where are we now? within hours, we are expecting a key markup in the senate foreign relations committee . it puts a 90-day action on

military and bans troops on the ground. here is bob menendez on "morning joe" this morning. >> it is tailored and narrowed in both scope and breadth and ensures that no american troops on the ground, and it has a time limitation. so, at the same time, giving the president the wherewithal to punish assad for the use of chemical weapons and to send a global message. i think it hits the sweet spot, as best as possible. >> i want to bring in "the new york times" columnist nicholas christoff and chica"chicago tri lynn sweet. the senate resolution doesn't mention changing memt momentum on t. is this a bump in the road or does this change the momentum that seemed to be in the president's direction? >> i can't imagine that this is more than posturing. i think mccain really does feel this way, but he has been so

central and arguing for a tougher approach to syria that i just can't imagine that he would be one to effectively block it. at the end of the day the big problem is less the senate than the house. it suggests if we have these bumps right now in the senate, imagine what is ahead in the house. >> we did hear the president say, as we heard susan rice say yesterday, that, lynn, they feel that they have the votes. where does it stand right now? i know "the washington post" is keeping count. they say the senate vote 20 yeses and the house is 16. where do you see it? >> i see that the momentum is in the senate and it will probably pass. kasie hunt's report will john mccain balking at this wording is very important. we may know more today if the committee does not vote as expected, if they need to change something in this resolution in order to get mccain's support once he leaves the reservation, it's hard to get him back, but

as nick said, his support is central. the house is always, always has been the problem in getting this passed. this is a vote of conscience on the part of the leadership. no pressure like some 40 votes on obama care where people toed the line to make a partisan point. the pressure is on nancy pelosi to deliver the majority of the democrats. >> yeah, she has to whip those votes and john boehner as well. they are both on the same page. let me play for you what they had to say. >> something that the united states, as a country, needs to do. i'm going to support the president's call for action. i believe that my colleagues should support this call for action. >> in my strict, i don't think people are convinced that military action is necessary, but it's important for them to know that the weapons of mass destruction use has taken us to a different place. >> so interesting, nick. she talks about the concerns in her district.

you laid out in the recent -- in a recent column, some of the concerns assad may escalate, hezbollah may retaliate. how does the president convince skeptics the benefits outweigh those real concerns. >> i think those risks are very genuine but on balance, i do favor military action, because i think the contrary risks of doing that thing are even greater and starting with hundreds of thousands of people are going to die. we already have more than a hundred thousand dead and 5,000 dying every month and 5,000 are fleeing syria every day and half of them children. international norms against the use of chemical weapons have been violated and kind of a steady way. and it does seem to me the president can argue that -- that we can persuade president assad -- we can deter him from

using chemical weapons in the future. with air strikes we may be able to change his thinking about the use of qechemical weapons. >> how do you have a strike that is limited and accomplishes something. let me play what donnald rumsfed had to say. >> that leaves assad standing, it seems to me is that it makes the united states look like that is what we prefer. >> so, lynn, how do you balance doing something meaningful that degrades assad's capabilities, obviously, with something that is limited nauf will get support? >> one of the things is because we are talking about chemical weapons here, there is no bombing of a factory. that could be disastrous and

spreading the chemicals. they are talking about bombing airfields, the command and control, roaming missile launching sites that we keep spy cams on. so even though this will be able to limit the delivery of chemical weapons that are in canisters on top of missiles but, frankly, they have the other point of eliminating a lot of assad's power to fight the rebels. i think that is the balance that has to be explained in much detail, perhaps that's what the lawmakers are getting in these classified briefings. and i think people need to hear too, as this process goes on. this could come to a vote in both the house and the senate next week. so a lot of explaining has to be done pretty fast. >> i want to bring in congressman charles rangel, a democrat from new york. good to see you. thanks for coming in. you've expressed concerns about military intervention. have you made up your mind? >> pretty much so. i haven't really felt that

america's security is being threatened at all and not even indirectly. having said that, i do realize this is an international problem that we have a responsibility to provide some loadship in resolving it. i think the president answered a whole lot when he said it wasn't his red line. i admire the fact he said that. i thought he was saying if they cross this line, america is going to retaliate. he said this is an international responsibility. i agree with him. and it demands an international resolution of the problem. we don't have the arab league, we don't have nato, we don't have the united nations, the security council. and russia are saying why don't we wait a while and try to resolve this issue politically? >> is there a danger in waiting? you're nodding, nick. part of the problem we have waited too long already. >> i agree with everything nick has said. so he ended up by saying, of course, there is risk involved. the way i look at it, there is

risk involved only for american men and women and i don't see where this issue is important enough for members of congress, who have no skin in the game. you know, they don't get these volunteers for combat at harvard or at yale. these kids come from communities like mine. if there is risk involved, risk for whom? >> is your concern boots on the ground, congressman? >> no question about it! >> this resolution sets limits 90 days and says no boots on the ground. >> resolutions about iraq. you start a war, nobody, nobody is going to tell you that you can limit it. no one can judge reaction of the country you've attacked, especially irresponsible people. >> the president answered that very specific concern this morning just a few minutes ago. let me play for you what he had to say about his vote on iraq. >> keep in mind, i'm somebody who opposed the war in iraq and am not interested in repeating mistakes of us basing decisions

on faulty intelligence. i can say with confidence that chemical weapons were used. >> your reaction. >> i agree with him and it has to have an international response. where is great britain? where are all of our friends? if someone is being threatened, it seems to me the arab countries. all of these people in the br d background. when you draw the line it's the united states of america and their kids. no french kids, no european kids. and president after president has done this. the congress has always gone along with it. the president now talks about he would be willing or he had thought about going alone in this issue before he took a deep breath and recognized that constitutionally he can't do

this. you can't draw the line for america to go to war. >> let me push back in two ways. >> okay. >> first of all, i just think there is zero chance here of boots on the ground. you look how difficult it is to get approval for cruise missile strikes fired from outside the country. i just think boots on the ground is not going to happen. i appreciate the concern for multilateralism and international activities and getting others involved but i must say that reminds me of what happened with bosnia and rwanda. we wanted europe to take the lead on bosnia. we waited for years and hundreds of thousands of people died in bosnia and rwanda. the same thing will happen in syria because there is no alternative to u.s. leadership. >> i don't see the comparison. we have no idea who wants to overthrow this bad man. there are divisions that are over there. we don't know and you said it about the ability for this mad man to retaliate whether it's against his neighbors or whether it's against israel. we have no control over this war that we're starting at all!

>> lynn, i think we are getting -- >> no boots on the ground, i tell you one thing, once you get in, all of these resolutions mean nothing. we have to protect our people and you know it and i know it and i'll be voting for it but i don't want to see it get started. >> lynn, i know you want to get in. >> i do. congressman rangel, i talked to you about this on sunday when i saw you in new york. the resolution says section three of the joint resolution says absolutely there will be no u.s. military forces on the ground. do you just not believe that if that is what the resolution says? do you think the president is going to violate it and send troops in any way? >> not the president. let's take a look at the so-called iraq resolution. these resolutions always give confidence to the congress that this is going to be a very limited insurgeon. what i'm saying we have no idea what is going to happen. now the cia.

you know darn well is going to be the department of defense. if any of our allies and friends actually are involved in a direct attack as a result of this, my thinking is entirely different. you cannot be part pregnant. you cannot say this is limited. you cannot tell the enemy and this guy is the enemy, that don't worry that we are not going to overthrow you and we limit you by international standards and your response, you're dealing with a mad man. now, you have to tell me how is it only america that sees this way clear on this? you're really putting down the europeans, the arabs, the whole world. we are the only ones that seep the danger. yet, every night my constituents go to sleep looking for jobs, looking for help, looking for health care, looking for education, and believe me, i have a hard -- i don't have a hard time. i cannot explain to my constituents where my country is in danger! >> i have to say this is a key issue that we haven't touched on

yet and we are running out of time. but when you see these town halls that have been going on the last week, and you could make the argument that the people who feel compelled to come out to these town halls are people who feel strongly against any intervention. let me show you something from grand rapids, michigan. this is congressman justin amash's town hall last night. so he asked how many of you oppose intervention in syria. almost every person raised their hand. rand paul says he hasn't heard from a single constituent who favors this. joe manchen is asking people possess tweet him what they think. as you know, they keep counts. 523 against, 4 in favor. how does that stack up in the considerations that members of congress have? >> no one agrees with me in terms of being favor of a more

humanitarian intervention here. the case of bosnia and kosovo, americans did not want to intervene. rwanda, nobody talked about it. in "the new york times" it wasn't a single op-ed column on that topic. so i think this is par for the course. i think that the american public is against it and i think, at some point, hundreds of thousands -- from now, we will regret that. >> i think congress is going to go along with this. >> you do think congress is going to go along with this? >> oh, yeah. the flag is up and they don't want to explain they let the world down and free world think they are supporting this crazy guy. i say the reason they are going along is they don't have to go home to their constituents. they don't go funerals like i do. they don't have any skin in this game. and they don't have to worry

about their families ever being drafted. i say this. for all of these excursions and intrusions militarily, if members of congress thought one minute they thought about drafting their kids and grandkids, you would not see this overwhelming sense of patriotism that you're seeing. so i'm saying there must be other kids besides american kids that understand this is an international travesty and we should provide the leadership, but to go it alone, i don't understand it. >> congressman charlie rangel, always good to see you. nick, thanks. good to have you back on the program. lynn sweet, a pleasure. thanks to all of you. coming up next, another big story we are following this morning. the suicide of cleveland kidnapper aerial cai ariel cast. a month before he was convicted of kidnapping and raping of three women he held for a

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just about a month after ariel castro was convicted of kidnapping and rap an investigation is under way about his death which nbc news has confirmed was suicide by hanging. the shocking news came from the ohio bureau of prisons that announced 53-year-old castro was found hanging in his cell last night. his attorney and says castro's family were shocked to hear the news, not from officials, but news reports, and he wants answers. >> i understand the public in general will say, good riddance, but this is a human being. we are in a civilized society and we expect that the person will be protected when they are

institutionalized. >> john yang is live in cleveland. what do we know about how this could have happened? >> reporter: chris, that is exactly what the lawyer wants to try to find out. the coroner tells us that the injuries castro had were consistent with hanging by a bed sheet. he was in what is called protective custody. he was held by himself. he was checked every 30 minutes on a staggered schedule so he did know exactly when guards were going to come by. but he was not on suicide watch and the attorney wants to know why not? when he was held before trial in the jail, they wouldn't give him his reading glasses because they were concerned that he might harm himself. castro's attorney wants to know more about the psychological evaluation that was going on or that when he went into prison in the near columbus and why he wasn't under suicide watch, why,

if they were concerned about him harming himself in the county jail didn't exist in the state prison. >> john yang, thank you. i want to bring in missing and sploied children marc klaas. his daughter polly was kidnapped and murdered in '93. he is president of the beyondmissing.com. good morning. >> good morning. >> the man who killed your daughter was sentenced to die in 1996. he is still in prison. what was your reaction when you heard that ariel castro apparently killed himself? >> i thought it was absolutely ironic that this guy who held at least three women in captaini e captivity for a decade couldn't handle one month of an better captivity that society was holding him in.

we this guy is not a victim regardless of what his lawyer or his family may say, he is not a victim in any sense of the word. >> the real victim or at least one of them michelle knight, made a powerful statement as you'll remember at his sentencing last month. i want to play a little clip of that. >> i will live on. you will die a little bit every day. as you think about the 11 years, what you did on us. what does god think of you hypocritically going to church every sunday? coming home to torture us. penalty will be so much easier. you don't deserve that. you deserve to spend life in prison. >> that came back to me when i heard this news this morning when she said the death penalty

would be so much easier, he did take the easy way out and i wonder what the impact is on these women. >> i think they feel freed and i think this is a great weight off of their shoulders knowing he is no longer on this earth and, remember, we all know that he was going to be in prison for the rest of his life. but that doesn't mean that his influence stops. so he would have been able to continue to hold influence over these women, regardless of his circumstances, as long as he was alive. now he is dead and now they are free. >> you know what it is like to be the family of a victim. you know and have worked with for all of these years victims' families. do you think this can help them in their healing process? >> oh, i think that there is is no question. there is no question about it. i think this is a very good thing for society as a whole, but, most certainly it's a good thing for these three young ladies. >> we hope something positive would come out of what is a

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blitz is on. in about half an hour, the white house bring out the big ammo. bill clinton will give a speech on the health care act in little rock. it is one of several events leading up to the october 1st implementation of obama care. the super bowl championship baltimore ravens will promote insurance exchange. the republicans are launching a counteroffensive, including this new website obama care costs.org. they are attacking on the air waves also. >> teamsters president james hoffa said obama care will destroy the foundation of the 40-hour workweek that is the backbone of the american middle class. we need congress to stand up and defund obama care now. >> let's bring in nera tandem and former senior adviser to the obama administration on the health care act. and rick tyler is a republican

strategist for the strategy group company and a former gingrich spokesman. the most recent kaiser poll finds 42% of americans have an unfavorable view and 20% more don't even know. how does bill clinton convince doubters and basically clarify for everybody? >> well, look. he has been called secretary of explaining stuff. i think we have seen that really there is few people alive who can -- who are better spokes people for issues than president clinton. i think he is going to talk today about how the health care law is already working. we have seen record low costs for health care. health care inflation is at a 50-year low. he is also going to talk about how important it is for people to get covered october 1st is when exchanges really open up and arkansas is a fantastic state because it's a southern

state that is actually taking advantage of the law. so i think he is going to really communicate to americans about what the values of this law are. >> i think it's important to point out, rick, that even at 42% have an unfavorable view of obama care, they also don't want republicans to defund it. in fact, by a 57% to 36% margin, the kaiser poll found that americans are against cutting off funding to implement obama care. why do so many republicans think this is a winning strategy just to keep fighting it, rick? >> look. i think it needs to be fought but it has to be fought with an alternative vision. see, you can't just be against something, you can't just be against obama care. unfortunately in our society, we don't have somebody articulating a much broader vision. >> are there specifics? i haven't seen a specific alternative. we know the need is there but i haven't seen the alternative. >> there are a lot of ideas. alternative, of course, is in the free market but nobody wants to hear that and see, what you have, you have two worlds that

are opposed to each other. one is top down bureaucratic control and at least to higher costs and no downward cost pressures. it leads to less choice, poor quality. it's the left pursuit of the perpetual motion machine and keep going at it but it will never work. but the alternative is rooted in the free market where unfeddered with freedom, people pursue innovation and interprentrepren have different policies. it's the payment policy is the problem. you have all of these drugs that keep people alive and help them lead normal lives and all of these norm operations help people keep alive and that is rooted in the market. when you have top down control all of that goes out of the market and the costs go up and that money is out of the private sector to solve those problems and nobody is able to articulate

these two views. one is a perpetual motion machine and one is full of surprises and exciting and leads to innovations and downward cost pressures which is far better as it always has been for every american in health care. >> rick has articulated a lot of the concerns that i think 42% have. what would you say? >> i don't know if rick has looked at what this bill has or what the legislation has, because the exchanges, which are the heart of this law, is really people who don't have headlight insurance and get tax credits in their state. these are ideas that came from the heritage foundation and bipartisan ideas and came from conservatives and progressives. the truth is they are offering a truth of insurance options to individuals to purchase and they can make the decisions that are right for them. conservatives used to support ideas like this but when they became associated with a

democrat and democratic president, they rejected them and that is why i think republicans haven't been able to offer an alternative because they, over the last five years, they have had lots of complaints about the affordable care act. members of congress have offered no ideas as alternatives. instead, they are taking the opportunity to not even tell their constituents about the law and that is what i think is wrong. let alone, senator ted cruz who wants to shut down the government over his opposition to obama care and i think americans are going to reject that and they are going to have real opportunity to look at this law in motion. >> we are out of time but great conversation and we will all be listening for what bill clinton has to say. >> thank you. >> thanks very much from both of you. checking the news feed this morning. convicted kidnapper ariel castro with learned apparently used a bed sheet to hang himself last night while serving a lifelong prison sentence. his attorney says he and his

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are also undecided. at least 20 support military action. and we just learned last hour that is not john mccain who says he supports a strike, doesn't support the resolution put forward by senators ma deny nes a -- menendez and corker. congressman joins me this morning. secretary kerry and hagel will testify before your committee this morning. what do you want to ask them? >> what is the threat to the united states of america. right now, i have already had a classified intelligence briefing with the obama administration and others who are pushing for this. right now, i am not convinced that this is in our interests. this is a syrian civil war in syria. what is the direct threat to the united states? i still have yet to figure that out. furthermore, i believe a strike or getting involved with rebels or opposition destabilizing the

region even more. my final point. when look at the destabilization of the entire middle east right now, we are seeing profound cultural changes throughout the middle east. i do not wanted to expend our military capital on this issue when we may have more serious issues that are a threat to the united states. >> john boehner disagrees with you and moments after meeting with the president and his cabinet yesterday made his argument. let me play that. >> i'm going to support the president's call for action. i believe that my colleagues should support this call for action. we have enemies around the world that need to understand that we are not going to tolerate this type of behavior. >> majority leader cantor agreed. if not a military strike, do you believe some sort of message needs to be sent? if so, how do we send that? >> the only message that needs

to be sent is when or if the assad regime or any country on this planet directly threatens the united states or any of our allies. should assad do anything to our allies, whether it's our friends, the jordanians or israeli, then we strike and strike hard. right now, this is a civil war in syria. when we look at the entire premise of this whether speaker boehner supporting it or the president himself. think about this for a second. we are going to step foot into a civil war and bomb them a little bit and step back out and say now go back at it. it's ridiculous to me. >> two republican congressmen and both of them veterans, wrote a "the washington post" op-ed today. i want to read a part of it. it says congress has its own constitutional duty to defend u.s. interests and those interests shouldn't be neglected simply because we have doubts

about obama. do you think some of the republicans conceptism is more about dislike for the president? >> no, no, no. . beyond that. this is about the united states of america. to go back to what you just asked. what are our on interests there? when we look at syria and what is happening there, look. i'm a republican who has some pretty serious issues with the bush administration and the handling of iraq in particular and today we are in afghanistan. when we look at syria, a thousand times more complicated. you have sunni, shrksaia and ai don't think we need to support any kind of opposition. >> you're passionate about this. earlier we had charlie rangel on who feels very passionately that we should not do this. having said that he believes

that congress will approve eventually a resolution. do you believe that as well? >> i don't know. but look. as i talk about this right now, again i am a member of the foreign affairs committee. i will have a hearing in approximately one hour. i'm still open-minded to this. right now, i am not convinced but i will have the opportunity to -- >> is there something that would tra change your mind potentially? >> i will hear from secretaries hagel and kerry and then i will make my decision. >> trey radel, thank you for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> a washington editor for "the new york times," quote, dennis kucinich strike. more resistance from the left. well, there is. [ male announcer ] it's called ocuvite. a vitamin dedicated to your eyes, from bausch + lomb. as you age, eyes can lose vital nutrients. ocuvite helps replenish key eye nutrients.

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in advance of its implementation this fall, so we are keeping our eye on that for you on msnbc. first senate vote on possible military strikes in syria could come as early as next week. congress is busy debating how to vote, the military is deciding how and when they will take action. for more on the strategy and the timing, let me bring in retired army general montgomery nicks. good to see you. good morning. >> good to see you again, chris. >> i want to play, if i can, just for starters the chairman of the joint chiefs, martin dempsey, at yesterday's hearing. >> on this issue that is the use of chemical weapons, i find a clear linkage to our national security interests and we will find a way to make our use of force effective. there are, there is evidence of course but the regime is reacting not only to the delay, but also they were reacting before that to the very unfortunate leak of military planning. >> one of the things that we

know is that apparently they are moving some of their key assets to suburban areas where we clearly are not going to strike because of the threat of civilian casualties. but, general dempsey also argued there is a plus and a minus side to the delay. do you think it's clear on one side or the other? does it really hurt us or can it actually be to our advantage? >> i don't think it will hurt us because of what we can see in doing. and i can assure you that the drill that we go through clearing a target nationally takes every measure you possibly can to avoid collateral damage. even though equipment is being distributed, i have a good feeling we know where enough of it so we could strike it very quickly. >> and in addition to that, what are the most likely targets? air bases? >> well, certainly. one of the way you cut down air power is you take away his ability to launch his fighters. the other is, obviously, the

thing you don't want to lose when you're in his situation is the ability to deliver chemical weapons if you're still going to use them. and it's easy to see where he is putting those. >> once a decision is made by congress and we don't know what it's going to take place, but let's assume it takes early next week, how quickly will the u.s. military be ready to go if the stigs is made to move forward? >> i think once the press says go, there is not much time lag. i think with the type of weapon systems they are using, primarily cruise missiles, the period of the strikes won't be that long. and i'm not a spokesman for any of this stuff, but my sense, i have a very strong sense here is that that kind of a strike can inflict very serious pain and strike parts of his structure that is assad's. he needs to use this kind of a

weapon. >> i guess the argument then becomes where do you find that balance? when is it enough to really make a difference to degrade his capabilities so much that it keeps him from using chemical weapons again? your sense of it is with these limited kinds of strikes we are talking about, that could happen? >> i do think so. one of the things, chris, that no one has talked about here is if assad thinks he has a free rein with chemical weapons, what if he gives some to terrorists, to al qaeda? no one has mentioned that. we want to deter him from that as much as we want to deter him from using chemical weapons on the children of his own citizens. >> good to see you again, sir. thanks. >> you bet. >> that wraps up this hour of jansing and co. i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next. good morning. >> good morning. we are going to continue to watch these fast moving developments surrounding syria. the agenda next hour as

president obama makes this passionate case from abroad for military action? syria saying the world's credibility is on the line. back at home senator john mccain may be throwing cold water on a senate resolution authorizing force. we will go live to sweden and capitol hill and get you all caught up. plus the president of explaining stuff, bill clinton, taking on obama care. can he sell the president's health care plan in a live speech coming up from little rock in the next hour? this big bombshell. suicide by hanging. has is the coroner's report. after we got overnight word that ariel castro is dead. the kidnapper and rapist found in his cell and reaction from cleveland straight ahead. ♪ and i'll never desert you ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you yeaaaah! yeah. so that's our loyalty program. you're automatically enrolled, and the longer you stay, the more rewards you get. great! oh! ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ won't let nobody hurt you ♪ isn't there a simpler way to explain the loyalty program? yes.

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>> i do think that we have to act. because if we don't, we are effectively saying that even though we may condemn it and issue resolutions and so forth and so on, somebody who is not shamed by resolutions can continue to act with impunity. >> the other big story we are following. expecting live remarks from former president bill clinton in little rock. the secretary of explaining stuff stepping up to the plate to tackle obama care with a major portion of that law set to take effect on october 4th. the biggest breaking news story of the day. convicted kidnapper and rapist ariel castro found dead behind bau bars. a live report on the ground moments away. major developments this morning as the president seeks congressional and international support for military strike against syria.