and until we have that case made, the overall majority of americans and progressives say don't bomb syria. >> all right. and i would think that next week would be a very active week for the pccc. adam green, good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you. >> that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. rev, take it away. >> thank you, ed. thanks to you to tuning in. tonight's lead, the raging debate over military action in syria. that debate has taken mace in the halls of congress, in homes, and around the country and overseas. tonight president obama is in russia, meeting with world leaders at the g-20. it is intended to be an economic summit. but the major focus is syria. >> i also look forward to having an extensive conversation about the situation in syria. and i think our joint recognition that the use of chemical weapons in syria is not only a tragedy, but also a

violation of international law that must be addressed. >> the white house is hoping to get support for a strike from at least 10 out of the 20 countries at the summit. the administration is also looking for support on capitol hill. with new signs that it would be hard to drum up the necessary votes. >> i think the administration has yet to enunciate clearly a broader strategy. >> i'm not ready to vote on a resolution. i have more questions than i have answers. >> in the meantime, secretary of state john kerry still pressing his case with lawmakers. and today he made his case with msnbc's chris hayes in an interview set to air tonight. >> if we don't do this, assad will have a message that he can use these weapons with impunity. we will have turned our back on the next batch of children, on

the next bch of parents, we will have turned our back on the international norm. we will have lost credibility in the world. and i guarantee you if we turn our backs today, the picture we all saw in the paper today, in the media of those people all being shot, that will take place more, because more extremists will be attracted to this because they will be funded as the only alternative in order to take on assad. >> throughout the day, the president has been working the phones, making five calls to a bipartisan group of senators. and with the potential for full congressional votes next week, the president canceled a trip to california, perhaps clearing his schedule for a primetime speech. it's a speech that a growing number of americans are eager to hear him make. joining me now is congressman elijah cummings, democrat from maryland, and crystal ball, co-host of the cycle here on

msnbc. thank you for being here. >> good to be here, reverend. >> congressman, let me ask you directly. where do you stand right now on military action in syria, and what are you hearing from your constituents? >> first of all, i have not decided, reverend. there is a lot of questions that are still open for me. and i'm trying to get the answers to them. i'll be attending my third classified briefing tomorrow. and my constituents, though, are clear. i'd say 95% of all the calls we're getting in are against this action. and i must tell you, reverend, a lot of this is based on what happened in iraq. almost everybody i talked to said we don't want to see another iraq. they saw, they heard from colin powell, of course, when we were about to go into iraq. they believed composite had bad information. then they saw us spend hundreds of billions of dollars in iraq,

lose many of our wonderful young soldiers, and at the same time, many others injured. and then a ten-year war. >> 95% of the calls coming into your congressional office are against a military action. >> that's right. >> and i'm getting the same with my talk radio. i'm getting the same in my other offices at the civil rights group. and i myself have questions. and the fact that the president is saying this will not come out of domestic budgets doesn't seem to make people relax. i think they trust the president, but you think they're war weary and they don't trust a lot of the intelligence information. >> reverend, you've said exactly right. my constituents, they -- i ask then, i did little survey in my district today. they trust the president. they love the president. and what they -- but one of the things that i think will help, reverend, and i've been urging the president to do this, i

think he needs to give a primetime speech where he really lays out the moral issues. because i think a lot of this is base opened moral issues. and i think he needs to be very clear as to the objective, very clear as to the limitations of this action, and what he sees as what will happen if this does not work. in other words, if assad, president assad decides to retaliate, which would not surprise anybody, we need to know exactly where we go from there. this evening i'll be talking to secretary kerry one-on-one, because i want these answers. i want to make the right decision, and i want my constituents, though, my constituents have said to me, look, tell the president we want to hear from him. and i'm hoping and praying that the president will do that very soon. >> krystal, what does this do to this president? and he did cancel a trip next week to california. possibly we don't know, possibly

to make a primetime speech. you heard the congressman right here say he needs to make it. where the president sits now, is that speech necessary? and what does he need to say? >> it definitely is easy in, both for members of congress to get the information and get the clarity that they need, but more importantly, for the public. the administration basically thus far has made the case that the strike is an end in and of itself, meaning that it will demonstrate that when we say there is a red line, when we say you can't go past this marker or there will be consequences, there will actually be consequences. and that that strike alone sends a message to other bad actors around the world that our word is to be believed. but i think what we're seeing in the polling and what we're hearing from people like congressman cummings is that is not enough of an argument to a lot of people to accept that strikes are what we need to do. they need to hear that there are

real humanitarian implications. they need to hear that after we strike there is a plan that we have thought through the contingencies and we know what to do. >> yeah. congressman, you mentioned the moral argument the president needs to raise. i woke up this morning and i saw this picture published in "the new york times." a horrifying video from a rebel group allegedly showing rebels executing government troops. now, does this raise new questions about the impact of a potential strike on syria and whether we should be helping these rebels? because it's hard to raise a moral question if we are looking at we are possibly aiding people that are pictured like this? and then i want you to hear before you answer. secretary of state kerry said in a house hearing about the rebels about this. listen. >> i just don't agree that a majority are al qaeda and the bad guys. that's not true.

there are about 70 to 100,000 oppositionists. about somewhere maybe 15 to 25% might be in one group or another who are what we would deem to be bad guys. there are many different guys, there are different entities. and sometimes they're fighting each other, even. now. >> so you all within hours of meeting with secretary kerry one-on-one. he is saying there are different groups among the opposition. but we're seeing photos, congressman, of people being executed that we are possibly going to assist. how do you make a moral argument for that to the american people? >> it's almost impossible to make a moral argument on that, reverend. krystal said something that is so key. the president does not only have to appeal to the congress, and i think they've been working hard to appeal to us, he's got to appeal to the american public. and i've got to tell you,

pictures like the ones you just saw really does complicate things. but there is another picture that i saw, and that was a line of young beautiful children dead in white sheets. >> all right. >> lined up. and i mean, i cannot get that picture out of my mind. and i have to also keep in mind that over the last several decades, the folks who have used chemical weapons have been adolf hitler and saddam hussein and now assad. so this is very complicated. and reverend, i can understand why you said you're having difficulty even dealing with this, trying to figure it all out, because on the one hand you have that picture of the rebels, and on the other hand i have a line of dead children. >> right. >> who did nothing to anybody. just trying to grow up and be that all that god meant for them to be. >> and the problem, krystal, as your heart has to go out for those children, as your mind looks at this picture of the rebels over the soldiers, the other thing that you can't

figure out maybe all of the complexities, but it all spells how do you come in a situation like this and say we can make one strike and we're out of here, or that it's limited. it looks far too complex to be limited, at least to those of us that are unsophisticated in the intelligence. >> it is the sort of situation where i don't think no matter how sophisticated you are, you can't know exactly what is going to happen if we do strike. the hope is that that would put enough pressure on the assad regime that it would shift the political calculus and we would be able to go through diplomatic channels to reach a negotiated settlement that is a hope. whether that is actually what would play out or not, i think no one can really answer that question. >> well, we're going to have to leave it there. congressman cummings, good luck on your meeting tonight. >> thank you. >> and krystal ball, thank you for your time tonight. >> of course. also, a heads up. you can catch chris hayes' full interview with secretary of state john kerry tonight right here on msnbc at 8:00 eastern.

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for months now, the right wing battle cry has been that president obama's health care law is going to make the american people go broke. they just love that line. >> the issue is obama care, and we're going to keep the focus on obama care because it's driving up the cost of health care. >> president obama's health care law ruled in higher premiums and costs for families. >> in some cases, the premiums that they will pay will double. >> your premiums were going to double and that your bills could double. i mean this is really stunning news for lots of americans. >> and it's cheap results making

our health care premiums enormously unsustain bring more expensive with death panels to boot. >> but guess what? governor death panels and the rest of her buddies are wrong. the most comprehensive study of the health care law yet says the cost of the coverage for consumers will be lower than anticipated. well, how about that? there has been a lot of talk about this law being the president's waterloo, that it would crush the american economy, that it would fail before it each got off the ground. but have you seen the headlines this week? the reigning super bowl champs are out touting the law and spreading awareness about it. the american public is getting on board. a majority opposes the gop effort to defund it. and oh, yeah, obama care is creating jobs in the communities. so forget the noise from the right. it's just noise. joining me now are former

democratic governor of michigan, general granholm and democratic strategist jamal simmons. thank you for your time. great to have you on the show let me start with you. it will become even more popular as it takes full effect? >> yes, i think that's exactly right. the study that you're referring to comes from the kaiser family foundation which is a totally nonpartisan group which is a go-to place for fax. what theyed is today in this great report which evaluated 1 states and the district of columbia is that the cost for individuals for obama care are going to be significantly less than even the congressional budget office predicted. why? >> this is the kaiser foundation, a nonpartisan group? >> right, right. and the reason why is because there is competition. so the republicans who claim to be capitalists and pro

competition, that's exactly what this particular plan does is causes groups to bid against one another. and so for example in new york, what this kaiser foundation found is that if you're a single person who is 40 years old, you're going -- your cost for health care once the tax credits kick in because of obama care is about $111 per month. it would have been well over $300 per month. it's going to be significantly cheaper for people. >> well, jamal, following up on that, the law law will drastically improve people's ability as governor granholm has said to afford health care. i mean, she mentioned one set of numbers. let me give you this. a 25-year-old new yorker earning $25,000 a year will pay as little as $62 a month. their peer in vermont may pay nothing at all for their coverage. i mean, this is a real, real low

cost, much lower than even expected. >> it is a real low cost benefit, and it's something that americans have wanted for 50 years almost. this is something the government and democrats have been trying to get done. democrats like barack obama and nancy pelosi helped get it passed. and now what we see are republicans fighting tooth and nail to keep people from registering over the next few months. what they know is if we don't get enough people into this health care plan by the beginning of next year, enrollment starts october 1, if we don't get enough people by the beginning of next year, we could see this plan actually have a problem. so what they're trying to do is stop people from enrolling in health care so the numbers go up, the costs go up, and they can claim it's a failure. but all these studies point out that costs are going down. people are going to be able to get their health care at lower costs, lower prices. >> they even went, governor, as far as to say let's defund it, let's close down the government to defund it which wouldn't defund it by the way.

but let's not let facts get in the way. and yet, when we look at the american people, just 6% of the people in a new poll of registered voters favor defunding or delaying the health care law. just 6%, governor. >> yet again, the people are ahead of the republicans in congress. i would say that that's what that poll suggests. and i would say also, reverend al, people understand the cost of health care in the united states historically has been ridiculously expensive. over two and a half times what on average the other 50 most advanced countries pay. if you want to go to a hospital in the united states and get a delivery for a baby, you're going to pay around on average $10,000 for that. but in europe it's about 2,000 to $3,000. if you want di of a hospital stay in the united states, you're going to pay on average $4500. but in europe you would pay $700 to $900 for one night's stay. it is ridiculous.

and the outcomes historically have been worse in the united states. you'd think you would be spending all that money, you would be getting better outcomes. but that's not what has been the case there was a study this last week that the headline from bloomberg was so that among advanced united nations, the united states spends the most on health care with the worst outcomes. prior to obama care, of course. now we're seeing an effort to bring down those costs. hallelujah. >> well, i agree with that hallelujah. but you know, jamal, you hear the conspiracy theorists, the hysterical barkers out there, radio host mark 11 believes the obama administration is using syria to distract from the health care law. listen to this. >> i'm not a conspiratorial person in any respect. but i do see a pattern here. a pattern of distraction. folks, we're three and a half weeks away from the beginning of the implementation of obama care.

it's getting zero attention today. zero. i don't believe that's a coincidence, but coincidence or not, i'm not playing along. >> i'm not a conspiracy theorist, but let me give you this conspiracy. i mean, they have gotten hysterical. i mean, it's hard to even describe how outrageous some of this stuff is, jamal. >> it is. keep in mind this is a big fundraising strategy. the reality is i'm sure the president would love to have more focus the fact that enrollment starts october 1 and people can start signing up. i don't think he takes it this lightly. and for the republicans, you have the heritage foundation that is out there, holding republicans' feet to the fire. you other conservative groups that are out there. but let's stay focused on the real life people who really need this. there is a great story about a man in tennessee who is out shooting rabbits and squirrels to try to feed his family, each

though he has a job working as a mechanic. his income is not enough. so he is using food stamps and shooting and hunting small animals to feed his family. these are the kind of people who are going to be helped when we have to have health care. >> absolutely. >> these are the people we have to stay focused on and not get caught up in the policies. >> that's exactly right. governor granholm, nobody less than the former president bill clinton laid it out yesterday. watch this. >> in congress, there have been 40 votes to repeal this law, but no real alternatives presented to fix the current system. we're going to do better working together and learning together than we will trying to over and over again to repeal the law while rooting for reform to fail. we all get paid to show up for work. >> working together, making it work, rooting for it rather than trying to make it fail. since we never had a plan that would cover these amount of people, governor, wouldn't this

be the right thing on this one to unite for the good of the american people? >> oh, i would say that's the easiest question of the night, reverend al, absolutely it would. and in fact, this is -- it is a moral issue. it is an economic issue. it is a pro american issue. but it is by far and away a people issue. 30 million people now have opportunity to be covered where as they wouldn't have been before. why in heck would we take it away when this started as a republican idea? >> absolutely that's where it started. governor jennifer granholm and jamal simmons, thank you both for your time this evening. >> thank you. still ahead, rush limbaugh and his comrades on the right launch a stunning new attack on millions of americans trying to put food on the table. you won't believe what they're saying and what they're doing. plus, a new series on some of the most hideous crimes in the country. msnbc's tamron hall asks how can

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we're facing a hunger crisis in this country. a new government report shows 49 million americans don't have reliable access to food. this means one in seven families struggles to get enough to eat. what do republicans want to do? cut the assistance we have, shred the safety net. they're pushing to cut $40 billion from the food stamp program, ending assistance for up to six million people. it's outrageous. but guess where these republicans get their talking points. political reports. fox news is giving house lawmakers copies of its new documentary that attacks people who use food stamps. offices confirm copies of the video were dropped off unsolicited.

the report was full of garbage like this -- >> the reality is that american poor people are not malnourished. they in fact eat too much food. >> when the safety net becomes a hammock -- >> the government has reached in to american neighborhoods and says it's okay to be dependent. >> shouldn't there be at least some stigma? >> shouldn't there be a stigma? what are they talking about? 76% of the households that receive food stamps include children, seniors, or disabled people. there should be a stigma for people who attack a program that helps hungry kids. joining me now are goldie taylor and nia-malika henderson. new both for your time. >> thank you for having us. >> it's great to be here. >> goldie, at a time when 49 million americans struggle to get enough to eat, how can republicans and right wing pundits talk about gutting food assistance?

>> you know, it's absolutely an incredulous thing that you have one in seven people who live in homes that are food instable, which means they don't know if they're going to have enough to eat today or tomorrow let alone next week. that means that these people live next door to you, to me, and to the republicans who are looking to cut this. you know, when what was called then the agricultural adjustment act was passed during the depression, it really set the food policy for this country, for its production and for its safety and for its consumption, that we wanted a baseline to insure that we had a healthy, well nourished economy, full of people who could, you know, go to work and be productive. and without this kind of safety net, you know, i really fear that people are really going to fall beneath the margins that they're already really standing on. >> that's what they're saying in this documentary, that people are heating too much. nia-malika, the right loves to talk about the waste in food stamps. but a new report found that those receiving farm aid got

overpaid $20 million. they had no major overpayments in food stamps or school national lunch programs. so nia-malika, when we start hearing republicans complain about the waste in farm aid? >> unlikely. there are some republicans who do look at the farm assistance and feel like there are too many subsidies involved in that. but primarily, they have been looking at food stamps, wanting to cut, some want to cut them more. in fact, it's hard to imagine that a bill like this would pass the senate. it will be debated this month. the current bill expires on september 30. so i think we're at the beginning of a conversation about food stamps. and hopefully, it will reflect the reality. if you look at a map of where people actually receive food stamps, it's primarily the majority of folks or the highest incidents of people who receive food stamps are in states in the south, states like mississippi, kentucky -- >> so what's the politics of that, nia-malika? how does that play out

politically? >> what this means is a lot of the people who are in congress now and the house republicans, they are talking about people in their own states who might be receiving $150 or so in food stamps. they're the working poor. lots of them only use these food stamps, you know, they only last up until about three weeks. 90% of those folks will have to at some point go to food banks. so i think if these cuts happen, you're going to see a lot of shifting to local governments who are going to have to fund food banks because these folks are going to go poor. it doesn't sound like a lot of money. it will be 30 bucks a month or so that they're going to cut back if these cuts go through. but if you're already struggling to get through the month, $30 is a lot of money. >> sure. >> is a lot of money. you know, goldie, you're adding on top of this a real meanness. the right attacks all the programs for the poor. for example, today in north carolina, the legislature rover rode a veto to start drug

testing welfare recipients. even north carolina's far right gosh was against it, saying, quote, similar efforts in other states have proved to be expensive for taxpayers and did little to actually help fight drug addiction. it makes no sense to repeat those mistakes in north carolina. expensive and not effective. then why would those gop lawmakers do it in north carolina, goldie? >> this is a replay of the stigmas that we saw come to growth in the '80s with the so-called welfare queen, people who feeding from the public trough that are eating too much, that are driving cadillacs and living in expensive homes and living off of our hard earned tax dollars. so there is a grand myth around this that really drives the grassroots of the gop. and i've seen it happen decade after decade. at the end of the day, we really have to consider, though, that the major growth and food stamp dependancy is happening in red

states. that means a lot of this came from the housing bust we saw over the last few years. the former middle class is now the working poor. so if we don't provide a safety net for these people, we're going to have a permanent underclass in this country that logistic more and more dependent as time moves along. so it is incumbent upon us to do better for the least of these, you know, so that it raises the tide for all of us. >> you know, republicans on a state level is making it harder for food assistance. for example, kansas is adding a work requirement for food stamp recipients which could end assistance for 20,000 people. now nia-malika, how is ending someone's food assistance going to create new jobs? >> well, it's not. already there is a work requirement with food stamps. most states actually waive that for able-bodied people who have no kids because the economy is so bad now. people can't find jobs.

and you're right. just because there is now a work requirement doesn't mean that's going create jobs. i think you're going to see a burden here, again, on those local food banks. you look at a state like maine. they are thinking about the children who are going to be affected by this. and they're going to start sending five to six pounds of food home to kids who are on free and reduced lunch so that they can have food during the weekends when school isn't in session. just because they cut this money doesn't mean that hunger is going to go away and the need to buy food is going to go away. >> and it gives misinformation, because, goldie, the pundits, the right wing pundits are constantly attacking people who rely on food stamps. look at this. >> the obama administration is encouraging parasites to come out and, you know, take as much as they can with no remorse. and this is how a country declines. this is how we become a weak nation. >> why does the left promote

dependency? 50 million or more on food stamps. this is their business plan. this is how they stay in power. >> you think people are better off on food stamps or are they better off with a job? >> and what they will not deal with, goldie, that many of the people on food stamps are working every day. >> absolutely. >> the working poor is the ones that are the problems. they are the ones with the problem. >> the worst kept secret is that there are members of our military, men and women who seven this nation every day who don't earn enough not to qualify for food stamps. in fact, there is a stigma to receiving food stamps. 13 million people who actually qualify for food stamp programs or snap do not apply for the system because it's cumbersome and the verification problems, and also the stigma attached to using food stamps or the snap card keeps people from getting the help they really need. and republicans aren't helping

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that have devastated communities and left grieving families wondering what happened, and how they can be stopped from ever happening again. from the case of the preppy killer, a handsome private school student who murdered a young lover in central park to the abduction of jaycee dugard, the 11-year-old who was kidnapped and held captive for more than 18 years. now a new investigation discovery series is going beyond the headlines to discover what really happened and why. msnbc's tamron hall joins a team of correspondents with extensive knowledge of law enforcement. in each episode, they talk to detectives, psychological profilers, even the criminals themselves to shed new light on these cases. like the story of an openly gay missouri student, college student found brutally murdered. was it a hate crime or someone

he was involved with? what clues are still out there? >> jesse's body is discovered 158 yards away from his basement apartment. how did he get there? whatever happened to jesse valencia between his apartment and here only the killer knows. there were no witnesses. you've got a streetlight literally on top of where his body was found. >> yes, ma'am. and nobody saw anything. >> joining me now is tamron hall, the host of the new series "deadline: crime with tamron hall." she is also of course my colleague and host of msnbc's "news nation." tamron, thanks for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks for having me. i really appreciate it. >> what made you want the get involved with a series like this? >> it's so funny. we talk all the time about our lives and how we grew up.

and i was having a conversation with the ceo of discovery communications, talking about show ideas and some of my interests. and like in most cases people ask about your family. and i told him about my sister's death, and that it was still an unsolved crime, and how it affected my family, as with any family in this devastating way. people say you should have closure. and i said to him closure doesn't exist. people tell you that, but your life will forever be changed once you lose a participant, a sister, a sibling, anyone, and especially in such a horrible way. and we just started talking about that relationship, this club of families, this very sad club of families where you have lost a loved one. and it started from there. >> and you and have i talked about it. but tell us just a little of what happened and why you bring that feeling and passion in to this series that you now host. >> with my sister, it was a sunday morning. i got a call from my mother. and she was crying on her way to

church, and she said call your father. something has gone wrong. something has happened. and i called my dad. and he said in this very calm voice, here was my mother, just wailing. and my father was very calm. he said can you call down there and see what is going on to her home. and i called my sister's home, and there were homicide detectives at her home at the time. she had been found facedown in the swimming pool in her own backyard. her hair had been pulled, her nails had been torn off of her. and police investigated the case, and they never charged anyone. and my father passed away a few years later, and my mother always felt that he had this incredible sense of loss, your dad, and your job is to protect your daughters. your child, but especially that daddy/daughter relationship. >> that's right. >> and we believe that he of course took ill, but there was a heaviness on his heart. this was a strong man who was in the military for all of his adult life, and he had to deal

with this loss. >> and you bring the kind of passion and identity with victims' families to the show. one of the unresolved crimes in this series is the disappearance of shondel mcleod. >> yes. >> an ex-girlfriend, joy is a suspect. let's take a listen to this. >> shonda had to be to work that morning at 5:00. i believe shondel was walking outside the house to get in her car and that's when she was abducted. by who? that's the question. i have a few people that are people of interest. but joy is at the top of my list. >> there is still no evidence tying joy or anyone else to shondel's disappearance, and nobody has been charged with a crime. >> now, this is still very much an unsolved mystery. why was it so important to profile this case? >> rev, this was important, because a third of all missing

persons are people of color. >> one-third? >> one-third. 20% of the national media coverage goes to those cases. and there is this notion that if you're not white, blond, a mom that you somehow don't deserve this headline, or that people can't connect to you being a missing person. and there is an organization black and missing that dedicat s s its resources and time to say if someone is missing, they deserve our attention. and this is how this case came to our attention at deadline crime. >> now, what complicated this particular case is that she was involved in another, shondel was involved in another relationship at the time. >> she had two relationships going on. she had one with a woman, and a second person involved in her life. and that complicated things. and, you know, people say well there should be dna and should it be easy to find this. when a suspect is someone you share a home with, their dna is all over. i learned through my sister's

death a lot about criminal justice. and i've learned as being a journalist. i've been working in television since i was 18 years old. i interviewed a man who was on death row for 25 years for a crime he didn't commit. he had the mental capacity of an 8-year-old child. >> wow. >> so while i believe in our justice system, i've seen it as a reporter, and i've seen it as a sister where it can fail us. we should believe in it, but it is flawed. and i've seen it in many cassitys. and in this case, i think the media shows it is flawed when all of the cases don't get the attention as they deserve, as with this shondel mcleod case. >> we have on television a lot of investigation cases and a lot of investigation shows. what is different about this show other than it's tamron hall. >> listen, i'll tell you this. when i interviewed the father of a woman who was taken literally from her front door, and she is a mother of two. and i said to him this is my journey, and i explained to him

what my family went through. this was a semitruck driver, midwest, salt of the earth guy who broke down. and i think that he felt while people can tell you they understand or they sympathize with you, when you're in this heartbreaking club, you know, of families who have had to experience this, i think that it gives you a connection. and i believe and you know this. i love people. i love talking to people. we prefer it in happy times. but that's not life. and i hope that that perspective is given. >> what do you hope that the show does to the public, to the american viewers? >> well, a different goal. listen, shondel's mcleod case i hope someone comes forward and said hey, this is what happened. selfishly, i hope someone hears about my sister and gives police the information to solve that. but hopefully i hope it gives a voice. this is not a macabre crime drama. this is about real life. there is one case where a woman

fights back against her rapist, and that should tell people we should not be silent victims. we can fight back and be aware that the likelihood of something like this happening, yes, it's slim to none, but it can. and we must be aware. and in the case of women, we must fight back. >> what is -- are there any cases that really grabbed you as just particularly gruesome, something that just bothered me? >> oh, they all have. there is up with that is airing on sunday. and there was a young boy who was openly gay, gone away for college, the love of his mother's life, the only child. he goes away and his body is found just a few yards from his home that body sat out there, rev, for nearly a day. and the case that we follow to try to find who did this to him, it broke my heart. and i think that people will really wonder if justice was served here. >> and i think that will be on this sunday? >> this sunday, yes. >> tamron, thanks for coming on this show tonight. >> thank you, rev.

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