ecause usaa's commitment to serve military members, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. thanks for disrupting your saturday afternoon. as the president continues to press for the case in syria, opposition from tea partier to progressives continue to mount. madonna has even weighed in. >> almost three weeks ago in syria, more than 1,000 innocent people including hundreds of children were murdered in the worst chemical weapons attack of the 21st century. >> raise your hand if you're opposed to military strikes so i can get a sense. >> what we're not talking about is an open ended intervention. >> it is not iraq.

it is not afghanistan. >> this would not be another iraq or afghanistan. >> the big elephant in the room is what's next? >> i was elected to end wars, not start them. >> we do not want another engage many in the middle east. >> i have 95% of the calls coming into my office saying no -- >> is so-called commander-in-chief has not been acting as a commander-in-chief. he's not provided leadership. >> i and the people i represent said no and heck no. >> i call on members of congress from both parties to come together and stand up for the kind of world we want to live in. >> a busy weekend at the white house as the president tries to disrupt momentum that has been building against proposed air strikes in syria. and we've just obtained new video by nbc news. we need to know two things about this video before we show it to

you. nbc news has not been able to verify the authenticity of these videos and i will warn you that these videos quite graphic. 13 videos of syrians, including children killed in the august 21st chemical weapons attack at the center of the white house's pitch to congress in the classified senate intelligence committee briefing this week. senator feinstein has called these images horrendous. will its release to the public put more pressure on congress to back the president? he used his weekly address as yet another call to action. >> what we're not talking about is an open ended intervention. this would not be another iraq or afghanistan. there would be no american boots on the ground. any action we take would be limited. both in time and scope. designed to deter the syrian government from gassing its own people again, and degrade its ability to do so. >> what we'll see order the next few days is a full-court press. the white house chief of staff will be on the sunday talk show circuit tomorrow. on monday the president will sit

down for all six nightly news broadcasts and tuesday, he'll make his case directly to the american people with an address from the white house. those remarks come as members of both the house and senate begin debating the resolution authorizing air strike in syria, in response to the use of chemical weapons. poll continue to show that a majority of americans oppose air strikes, making their voice heard this week in call to congress and during town hall meetings across the country. >> this is what i think of congress. they are a bunch of marshmallows. >> you can do it by diplomacy. and negotiation. not bombs, senator mccain. enough is enough. we do not want another engagement in the middle east. >> that frustration is reflected in the current web count on the hill. according to the latest count from the "washington post," only 25 house members have said they definitely support action. with the rest against leaning no or undecided.

and over in the senate, things aren't looking much better. only 23 are for action as of now. just hours ago, democratic senator mark pryor from arkansas announced he will vote no on the resolution. joining me now for the latest from the white house is nbc news white house correspondent, peter alexander. peter, give us the latest. a lot going on in the last couple hours from these videos to these announcements about the president doing, sitting down for interviews. >> let's start with those videos. as we show them to you, we want to remind you that we are showing these at msnbc because we believe since they have been seen by members of the senate intelligence committee during a classified briefing that took place last thursday, the american public has a right to see some of that information as well. these are starting videos. a total of 13 that were provided to nbc news by a u.s. government source. they were shown as we noted last thursday. 13 of 100 videos that the u.s.

government has obtained. government officials have authentic indicated these videos took place in the suburbs of damascus, on that date. august 21st, when the u.s. says with high confidence that chemical weapons specifically sarin, was used to attack these neighborhoods where forces opposed to bashar al assad live. at this point right now, we know the videos will be among those that will be shown to members of the house when they have the next classified briefing, which is scheduled to take place on monday. you'll remember that the house and frankly, all of congress is finally back from its five-week summer recess this monday, on monday, in keeping with that effort to provide all the information they can to members of congress, the administration will be holding another classified briefing. specifically for members of the house. karen? >> and i assume that the president is also working on his remarks to the country, that he'll be delivering on tuesday. >> he is.

it and it is pretty clear over the course of the last several days, this has been part of a campaign from this white house. you've heard phrases thrown around like lobbying blitz. you can throw out the language and watch the actions of this white house. the president we saw earlier today in his weekly address, speaking specifically to the topic of syria. tomorrow as you noted, his chief of staff dennis mcdonning you will be doing the sunday shows. joe biden will host up to a dozen senators that the white house believes are crucial. on monday, the national security adviceor susan rice will speak. and we noticed classified briefing. "montel" evening we have mattered the president will be speaking. this is on the eve of his national comments. tuesday night, likely in prime time for the east coast, a little earlier for the west coast, the president will speak to the nation. this is what advisers both inside and outside the white house believe the president needs to do.

they hoped it wouldn't come to this place but recognizing it is an up-hill battle. they recognize this is the best opportunity to deliver the message to the american public hoping them help sway their members of congress. >> thanks for the latest. for more on the upcoming votes on capitol hill, i'm joined by representatives gregory meek from knocking and ted deutsche from florida. thank you both for joining me. i guess where i would like to start is, i think you both were able to see those videos. and you had noted that you had not seen them previously. it sounds like they will be made available to members of the house this week. congressman meeks, i'll start with you in terms of your reaction to the video. >> they're horrible videos. for me, one of the thing the classified briefings did do is that chemical weapons had been utilized and more than that,

they were utilized by the assad government. that's not the issue for me at this stage of the game. i am convinced. at one time i may not have been but i'm convince that had the chemical weapons have been utilized by the assad regime. and some of the claims of some individuals of some other countries they were not, i think that has been eliminated. >> congressman, i want to get your reaction because one of the thing we were hearing last week is that a number of members, it wasn't that they didn't believe that the intelligence was sound and solid and i would think a video like this only reinforces that. it was more of a question as to whether or not air strikes were the right course of action. could you talk about that? >> thanks for having me on. i do support a response. there has to be a response to what now the world is seeing.

those videos are, they're so difficult to watch. those are just some of the more than 100 individual grows are out there. some of them are available. and i actually encourage people to watch them. the fact is that the world has been, the world, the civilized world. the 189 countries have been on record making very clear that the use of chemical weapons cannot be tolerated anywhere in the world. at this point when we know, the intelligence shows it was assad who did this to his own people. he put us in this position of having to take this really tough vote. but it is a vote that i think we need to take in order to show that we can't tolerate this use of the weapons. we have to take action to make sure he doesn't use them again. and we have to send a very strong message that the civilized world just can't simply allow this to happen. >> i want, let's take a look at some of the polls. as noted, it has been an up-hill battle for the white house.

i think that's why we're seeing them going full steam ahead. if you look at the gallup poll. 51% oppose military action. 36% favor military action. 13% have no opinion. the pew poll similarly, 38% oppose it. when we're looking at those numbers, and i heard you say previously, you've heard from your constituents that they do not want air strikes. people aren't concerned that that but it is really getting the united states entangled again. >> i know what my hesitancy is, that it was an international norm that was violated. so therefore it should not an international response and not a unilateral response on behalf of the united states. as my friend ted had indicated,

there are 189 members of the convention for no utilization of chemical weapons. but where are those countries now when it comes time to do something about it? it should not be the united states. and no one, i believe those individuals don't want the united states to be the sole judge on what should be done, that the international community should agree collectively what should be done. and then i think the polling number would be different. >> you know, to that point, what more can we be doing to better engage the world community? obviously russia has pretty much made the security council at the u.n. press useless on this point. what about the e.u.? what about nato? what about engaging other partners? >> sure. i agree this is something that should go forward with the support of our allies. if we have the support of our allies. you make an important point. i think it is lost in much of the debate. i would prefer, i would absolutely prefer that we are in a position to handle this

through the united nations security council. russia has made it clear they're prepared to exercise their veto. they've done it time and time again. blocking resolutions there. if you look at the statements coming out of the g-20, you will see that australia and canada, france, the u.k., germany, korea, japan, turkey, all. those countries have said the use of chemical weapons anywhere threatens the security of people everywhere. that they support action to make sure that assad is held responsible. and you had secretary kerry at our hearing just this last week saying that go there are more than ten countries who have pledged military support. more support than we even need. i think it will be clear which countries throws. we'll see more and more. >> congressman meeks? >> ted, most of those countries don't go as far as the utilization of military strikes. that's the problem. when we went into kosovo, we had nato with us. when we went into libya, we had

self other countries with us. we always had somebody with us. now we don't have basically anyone. and we criticized george bush, quite frankly, for the coalition, not having a coast guard in iraq and hear we are, we don't have a coalition now. that's a really problem. >> before i let you go, congressman meeks, i want to just switch gaers for a moment. the other thing that struck me about this, even some of the gop errs who support the idea of strikes, they seem incapable of passing up an opportunity to take an attack on the president. even some of the statements we've seen where ultimately, it is a yes. it doesn't sound like you have eric cantor saying the president must leave and he must convince the country that this is in america's national security interests and he has a strategy to achieve our objectives and restore america's badly tarnished leadership. that's a yes vote but there is a lot of attacking of the president in that. >> i would tell eric cantor, he

should lead his conference. he couldn't even lead his conference to pass a farm bill and stop talk about, the president is doing something brave and courageous. i may not agree with what he is doing but you can't say he is not showing leadership. eric cantor needs to get his leadership together. he should do his job and stop talking about the president. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you, congressman gregory meeks and congressman ted deutsch. >> americans have a lot of questions about a military strike. we'll try to answer the who, what and why. color, and design. showing up where we least expect it. and taking inspiration from our wildest dreams. because kohler doesn't see the world in fixtures and faucets. it reimagines. coloring our lives in ways only bold could do, it's no wonder the world can't wait to see what kohler does next. ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪

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agency congress prepares to launch a military strike on syria, questions from the american people about our plan of attack and the over all end game continue to mound. will it be successful in

preventing assad from using chemical weapons? how can we him this action and keep it from eruning into a full-fledged war and who would we be supporting by taking these actions against the syrian government. it is that last question, who are we supporting that became even harder to answer this week after a video of a small group of syrian rebels, pointing rifle at captured syrian soldiers was published by the new york time. we should warn you these images are deeply disturbing. the leaves little to the imagination of the fate of those seven soldiers. that gruesome scene forces many americans in congress and on main street to raise the question time and again. who are we supporting and why

are we doing this? joining us now from beirut, lebanon. foreign correspondent amman moig deen. >> this video continues to echo in term of the questions about who are the rebel factions, why should we support them, and has the situation already started to get out of control with the various factions. >> reporter: when you look at the often significance, you almost have to look at it in the context of where it was when it gab and where it is today. this began with syrians, inside syria. mostly unarmed, exercising civil demonstrations of disobedience. over the course of the past two years, that opposition grew to incorporate a different variety of rebels, including among them, the free syrian army which are mostly syrians who have defected

from the military and police and volunteers. you have modern islamists who are mostly syrians but are on the slightly political leaning. and then you have jihadists. many ideologically associated or affiliated or inspired by al qaeda. many coming from foreign countries because they believe this is an ideological struggle inside syria. so that umbrella group of the rebels are the ones all fighting to try to topple the regime. you have the political organization known as the syrian national council and they are the ones who represent the syrian diaspora, if you will. and they are the ones the united states government and other organizations are dealing with. >> very quickly before i let you go. what about the syrian people? we rarely talk about them. we've talk a lot about the rebels and assad. in general, where are the syrian people in all of this? who would they support if assad

were to go? >> this is what makes syria so difficult. on the one hand, it still has popular support but it is very difficult to measure that. the syrian population against the back drop of so much violence has definitely over the course of the last two years, shifted and waned. sometimes people have come out saying they want the regime gone. they want the violence to stop. others had expressed a tremendous amount of concern and fear about minority rights, christians' rights and other groups in the post assad era. so the result of that, there are growing concerns among ordinary syrians as to what could happen in the country. it is very difficult to get an accurate sense given the fact there has been so much bloodshed. given that nearly one-third of the population has been displaced as a result of the civil war. and because here, still in this, inside syria among ordinary syrians, mostly not affected by

the control we've seen in the northern part. >> thank you very much. from beirut. for further analysis, i want to bring in lieutenant colonel anthony schafer, yasser from the national coalition of syrian revolution and opposition forces, and law professor rosa brooks from the university of virginia. thank you for joining us. tony, i want to start with you. there was a "washington post" article that points out that there is skepticism within the military itself as to whether or not we should be doing this and as to whether or not this is the right approach. they are outraged by the fact that what may happen is an act of war and a willingness to risk american lives to make up for a slip of the tongue about red lines. these acts would be for retribution and to restore the reputation. so -- of a president, s.e.c. professionals, making the point that killing more syrians won't deter iranian resolve to

confront us. when we see things lake that, and we see the poll, the majority of the americans don't want to do this. are not convinced that an air strike is going to solve the problem. tell us why this is something we should do. >> that's the issue. every officer i've spoken to, their views reflect the article you just read. here's why. we're talking about a limited military action. not well focused. and one of the things that you've noticed over the last week. this will be hours, not days. now it is days, not -- we don't know. this is problem with the military. we are used to very clear, concise objectives. this is problem. we're talking about going after a chain of command that control these weapon to make sure they cannot use them again. the problem is this. if we go after the chain of command, we're successful. the chain of command can no longer use them. but they can no longer control them. now all those groups out there.

some of those more radical jihadist groups would love to get their hands on this. as much as tragic to see the dead bodies you're showing, it would be even more tragic to see those dead bodies in washington at lafayette square or columbus circle in new york city. if we're not careful about the fact that we have to make sure that these weapons of mass destruction which we're all focused on do not go out of control. as much as i think the military wants to do the right thing here, the objectives are unclear. it is not clear what we would have to do if this message is not received by assad in a useful way. >> to that point, this is part of why i think the administration has had such a difficult time convincing americans. and you wrote earlier this week that the stake on this vote high enough for the president that this could determine the future of obama's foreign policy. that's why we're seeing the full-court press. when we have such dramatic arguments on both sides, how is the president going to make this decision? >> it is a tough one.

i don't envy him. he is having a hard time with this. not because as he dunder head but because it is hard. i think tony put his finger on it. the concern that people have is what is the strategy? how do you answer all of these what if zbhes what if it doesn't work? what if we don't destroy the chemical weapons capabilities. what if they fall into someone else's hands. what if our women's end up with al qaeda? what it makes the bloodshed worse? none of those questions have good answers right now. when you're thinking about using military force, the very first question you have to ask is, can we do some good or are we just going to make thing worse? and i think the trouble the president is having right now is that he has conveyed very powerfully a sense of my goodness, this is terrible and agonizing. everybody gets that. what he hasn't yet done is convinced us that we can do something, that we can do some good and we have a plan b for if plan a doesn't work and a plan

c. >> you've heard both sides of this argument. there are some who support the air strikes. but there are americans who don't support the air strikes. my question to you, as someone had a has helped, this is an action that the united states should take. >> i believe the american public has not been informed about what's taking place. has the regime that has been killing its own people for the past two and a half years, that has escalated the means of killing these people. over 100,000 people killed by first live ammunition, then helicopter gun ships. then air force dropping tnt, then ballistic missiles fired, and then finally a series of chemical attacks that was basically crowned by this chemical massacre that we're seeing the tapes released of

today. and so there is a very large context. now, what we're telling the american public is that we, one of the very few positive side effects of the prolongment in syria is the fact the opposition, both political and military, has had enough time to invest in the infrastructure to basically bull institutions. now we have the free syria army. we have the political opposition under the umbrella of the national coalition which i speak on behalf of. that basically represents the overwhelming majority -- >> so, hear the question. i apologize. we have just a little time left. the question for most american, i think you heard this from tony schafer. what happens the next day and how do we ensure that this doesn't become, and i don't think for mernss it is necessarily iraq, afghanistan, another long-term engage p.m.

takes resources from thissy a lot of americans feel like we have some very serious problem here at lohome that we need to dealing with. what insurance can you give american people, if any, we're talking about a plan b, plan c, that it doesn't fall into chaos. it was an air strike that was a short term engagement. >> what i can say is that we've never asked for boots on the ground. we have our own boots on the ground. the overwhelming majority of the fighters of the free syria army fwlong this moderate infrastructure. over 100,000 fighters. by the way, compared to a few thousand of the extremists that want very extreme end game that the overwhelming majority of the syrian people disagree with. what we want is a fair fate. we want bashar al assad not to have the chemical weapon capabilities or the ballistic weapons capabilities or the air force so we can continue liberating more areas.

we can capture our own benghazi so to speak and we start governing from these areas. we have been very prepared over a number of months with the day after plans. we have deployed a number of teams. from the expatriot communities and syria that have been the moments that bashar al assad falls. we're asking for a fair fight. we're asking for a negotiated political solution. we need to stop the bloodshed immediately. >> we have to leave it there. thank you, everybody. ahead the rise have to new isolationists in the gop creates a split the sxhauhawks and the cons are not used to.

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because for the past few decades, the grand old party, the breeding grounds of hawks and neocons has been the crowd that brought you special moments like this. >> grenada was a friendly paradise for tourism. it wasn't. it was a soviet cuba colony being made ready for terror and to undermine democracy. we got there just in time. >> as i report to you. air attacks are underway against military targets in iraq. we are determined to knock out saddam hussein's nuclear bomb potential. we will also destroy his chemical weapons facilities. much of saddam's artillery and tanks will be destroyed. >> on my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine saddam hussein's ability to wage war. >> fast forward to 2013. this year the loudest republican voices led by rand paul, sound a

lot more like this. >> i don't see a clear cut or compelling american interest. i see a horrible tragedy but i don't see that our involvement will lessen the tragedy. it is it might make it worse. >> i don't believe it is sufficient justification to engage in military conflict. to protect international norms. that is not the job of the men and women in the military. >> our foreign policy for the last 30 years has led us down to this path where we're at today. and i think to continue on the same old, same old. it like groundhog days. and we need to change course. >> quite an evolution, isn't it? let me bring in my guest. michelle covers politics for the daily beast. i want to start with you. democrats are used to having a little bit have disunity when it come to these issues. for republicans, this is a new thing. >> it is indeed. one of the things that we came

out of bush years with was the neo did con hawkish week of the party was in decline. a war weary public. as we've seen in all the polls with syria, there is not a lot of taste for intervening. this is a position that rand paul has been always held. he has been kind of anti-intervention. this is his moment. west the public on this. and he is standing ground. not just against the president but also in the neocons and his party. >> it strike me part of what rand paul is trying to do, rebrand isolationism. you hear him using the phrase, america's vital national interests as a way to make it not sound so isolationist. we have some sound of him from fox news on wednesday. let's take a listen and we'll talk about it. >> i think the main reason that american forces or soldiers should be asked to put their life on the line would be when american interests are involved. this means, you know, attack of

our allies, attack of the united states, attack of u.s. assets. a lot of reasons why we would have to defend ourselves. but civilian deaths have occurred really throughout the last several decades, throughout africa, russia, throughout china. we haven't always got involved with civilians' deaths. >> show the the new and improved rand paul? or is this a new and improved messaging from the republican party? >> well, it is new and improved messaging from rand paul. he is rebranding isolationism as realism, basically. and he is co-opting the old realist wing of the republican party represented by george h.w. bush, he is considerably different from them though because they are actually internationalists. and i think there's a pretty good case that rand paul is the real deal. a real taftian isolationist. and we thought that when eisenhower defeated taft for the

1952 republican nomination, that was sort of the end of republican isolationists for, well, more than half a century. and it has come roaring back. >> you know, how does this, that isolationist stance, position rand paul for 2016. some could argue it might help with younger vote here are very war weary. others would suggest that programs it shows naivete on the world stage. >> one of the thing he will to have deal with is the israel question which is what any president did he know candidate has to look into. being an isolationist is not going to make him beloved by pro israel groups. and the republican party likes to pitch itself as a big friend to the israel community. so that will be one issue. but as far as kind of being naive, we don't know how this is going to turn out. this is a really tough call for everyone involved. so it is going to depend in part

on how this kind have goes along. >> to that point, rick, so rand paul earlier this year went to israel to try to make amends and build a bridge. he seemed to do okay. then just this week, according to the atlantic, in response to comments he made during the foreign affairs committee hearing. this was a pro israel official. the republican senator's lack of understanding of the world let alone america's role in it or our interest in israel's security is so confuse that had it has disqualified him from being taken seriously to take part in the conversation. >> there is a much different opinion in israel about all these matters as there is here. and just because you're on one side of that debate, that doesn't make you anti-israel. however, it is certainly true that the implications, the broader implications of rand paul's foreign policy are not particularly helpful.

to israel. >> in the context of 2016, that is something he'll have to deal with. >> it is. and he deals with it partly by going down the line with netanyahu faction on things like the settlements, jerusalem, all the other touch stones of, quote, pro israel, on quote, foreign policy. he is on board with those. the implications of his universal opposition to any kind of internationalism. thing like treaties. he is pretty much against the whole deal and foreign aid of every kind. >> to this point, it strikes me that in 2016, as we are looking at rand paul to see whether or not he is a serious viable candidate, if you are opposed to all kinds of treaties, this kind of bit him in the you know what earlier. opposed to all kinds of treaties, opposed to all kinds

of aid, that is not necessarily a viable position for a serious candidate for presidency, is it. >> right now what he's doing, the tea party which is his base, has pretty strong strand of isolationism in it. that has worked well for him. if he is going to be a serious contender in 2016, he will need expand his messaging on this. i'm not sure how much he can back pedal on it. >> it should be interesting. thank you. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] research suggests cell health

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when does a left wing voter sound like a right wing voter? when does a right wing voter sound like a left wing voter? when they're talking about syria. take this man at a town hall meeting in oklahoma. >> the american people are kind of war weary of all this stuff that has been going on for the last 14 years and stuff. it is really, it has drawn our country into division. >> until a week ago, the parties couldn't agree on everything but they are now side by side. oklahoma has an ann war

coalition that is described as tea party to socialist to anarchist. and much can be said across the country. left wing groups such as pregnant progressive change committee and move.org are organizing groups. heritage action and freedom works. they have all come out against intervention and freedom works said it will score the votes in congress. meanwhile, on the president's side, syrian american groups hope to get the estimated 300 to 400,000 syrian americans to contact lawmaker and get support for the strike. the pro israel lobby is planning a huge lobbying push. and president obama is even getting some love from business magnate sheldon a dellson to defeat president obama last year. the lobbyists and the activists are crossing partisan borders. even russia wants to send lobbyists to washington. i wonder what position they'll

take. joining me now, chairman of vote vets and adam green, co-founder of the progressive change committee. thanks to you both. i want to start with you, adam. did you ever think you would find yourself agreeing with sarah palin? >> maybe not sarah palin. we have had some weird bedfellows on the nsa wiretapping, issues. but when you have the overwhelming majority of americans agreeing the president's doigs kick this to congress but disagreeing with the idea that we need to bomb syria as the only option. that brings a lot of people together including those on the left and the right. >> have you pulled your members and got a very strong response? walk the about that a little bit. >> we wanted to see what our members wrthing. for 72 hour, we did an intense survey of our national membership. folk in every state, every congressional district. at the end of the day, by 73%, to 18%, they said do not bomb

syria. now, we also dug a little deeper and asked them, why? what we found was that different people had different versions of what they thought the goal should be in syria. a whopping 80% said no matter what the goal is, a narrow bombing campaign in syria won't achieve that goal and 81% thought there is no such thing as a limited campaign that will be drawn into an escalation and be there a long, long time. >> to that point, it is the military. we talked earlier about a "washington post" piece. some of what we're hearing from military leaders who say this isn't going to work. the question that people have being, you know, is one limited air strike, no boots on the ground, all of that. is that really going to send the signal we need to send and solve the problem? when you hear from members of the military, i think some were surprised that you came out in opposition to this. >> i think might be surprised because we spent $7 million in the election sile on democrats. but ultimately we're an american

vets organization. not a republican or democrat organization with 360,000 members. 78%, more than adam's on, oppose strikes. because they don't believe it would work. we're not going to give people weapons just because assad is a bad guy. if you do a limited strike, you don't actually destroy his capability to deliver or use chemical weapons. you can go after the delivery system. that alone would not be decisive. so quo get pulled into another war in the middle east where both sides would get killed. >> the president will give a speech tuesday night. i'm wondering, is there anything that the president could say that could sway your members, do you think? >> i think that fair minded people are looking at this and saying what is the goal in syria? if there is a goal, is bombing the only way to achieve that goal? i think everybody agrees on the problem. you cannot look at the images of these people being kill and think, that we should do

nothing. most people want to do something. we need to have a goal. >> what about you? >> i think they're war weary. you have a lot of people who served two or three tour in iraq or afghanistan and we don't think this will work. if you don't want to remove assad, what's the point of striking? since when does our government have the authority to tell people how to kill people legally? that's weird. what are we going to do when he kill 50,000 more people with tanks? the administration did you have want to take a side so this will be infective. it is hard to convince people who have been to war that they know less than an administration who doesn't that have same experience. >> the president does have an up-hill battle on this one. thank you. that does it for me. thanks so much for joining us. please don't forget to share your thoughts.

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