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murder for hire plots, caught on camera. >> it's a disgrace. disgraced everything. disgraced herself, family, me, you. >> in virginia, a quiet real estate agent is captured on video after asking a friend to kill his wife. >> i don't know why he didn't consider a divorce instead of murder. he looks completely satisfied and completely focused that his wife needed to be eliminated. and in new york, a mother of four tries to hire a hitman to
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stage a deadly accident involving her husband. >> so i want to make sure that when the cops come to my house i know what not to say. >> now, watch up close as these lethal plans unfold, then unravel. >> looks like you want him gone, not walking the earth anymore. >> you want him dead, it's going to be $20,000. "caught on camera" presents "the hitman tapes." >> where did you put her remains? >> the lake. tied up with some chains i bought from the dump yard. >> four minutes. that's the amount of surveillance footage law enforcement needs to build a case against patrick shemori, a 28-year-old real estate agent described by family and friends in charlottesville, virginia, as a gentle but misguided soul, and by u.s. attorney tim haffe as a
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cold criminal. >> on the tape, he is cold, dispassionate, focused on his goal of having his wifeeat eeliminat eeliminated. >> she disgraced everything. everything she touched, man. she wrecks people. >> i'm not a skogs. -- psychologist. but psychopaths have a lack of empathy. the things that trigger in us a more human reaction, psychopathy eliminates that. >> you really want her gone? >> uh-huh. >> and i ask you that. >> yeah. >> when you watch his face, when you listen to his voice there, is no conflict or remorse whatever. >> yeah, you got that coldness all right. >> the patrick shimori captured on an fbi surveillance camera is a far different man than the one
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scene on his facebook page seen snuggling with his wife. assistant u.s. attorney nancy heely. >> something made him snap. >> patrick, a former boy scout from washington state, meets starla while both are serving at virginia's langley air force base. >> i loved him. he was a sweetheart. >> starla's mother has fond memories of the couple's 2004 wedding, an outdoor affair. >> it was a beautiful day. i thought he really loved my daughter. he was a very caring son-in-law. >> after the air force, patrick and starla move into this condo complex. she takes a job as a lab technician on the historic grounds of the university of virginia. he begins working at keller williams realty. >> patrick was quirky and funny and droll and nice. >> fellow sales associate ellen pratt.
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>> i was as shocked as anyone could be at the final outcome of his story. >> we believe around the end of 2008, beginning of 2009, they started having some marital strife. mr. shimore was saying she was not acting as she had before. there were some allegations that she had been going through money very quickly. at some point, they decided to take a trip down to new orleans. i think that was sort of an attempt to see whether they could make the marriage work. and from what i understand, the trip to new orleans was actually fairly successful. >> patrick chronicles the journey on facebook, describing this playful photo with the caption, good thing starla didn't see this. despite the innocent facade, patrick and starla are also exploring the transgressions of the big easy. a mission that eventually leads them to the man prosecutors come to label witness number one.
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>> mr. shimore's wife found him randomly, and tried to get him to buy what i believe was cocaine at the time. >> not only does the witness claim to know the best places to purchase the drug, he introduces himself under a cousin's alias. >> that was the name he used originally with shimore and his wife. so there were some issues with identity theft. >> patrick says the witness tells an erroneous tale about the recent deaths of his fiancee and two children. >> mr. shimore and his wife had taken some pity on the witness, and the witness returned to charlottesville with them to live with them for a while. >> why is it that someone you hang out with in a bar in new orleans for a few days suddenly becomes your roommate thousands of miles away? that suggests perhaps that there's some void that needs to be filled. but, again, i think the temptation in these cases is to try to come up with some kind of veneer of rationality. >> the couple doesn't intend to
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remain in charlottesville. patrick quits his job, anticipating a permanent move to new orleans. >> they come and told me that that i was going to move to new orleans. that i was going to sell everything and go to new orleans. that i was going to open up a restaurant down there. >> in the interim, i believe they developed more marital problems, so that plan disintegrated. >> as the marriage dissolves, the condo becomes the scene of a seemingly endless stream of parties. >> it does sound like at some point both of them engaged in some extramarital sexual relationships. >> eventually, starla returns to new orleans alone, moving in with friends she made during the trip. patrick informs his mother-in-law about the turn of events. >> he just told me that things was over between them. i never thought that i would
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lose him for a son-in-law, because she whe was such a swee. >> the apartment is now the exclusive domain of patrick and the man he met in new orleans. >> cocaine was obviously a big part of the story. i believe that at some point, patrick got completely grandiose and thought that he was ready to be king of the cocaine world, start his own cartel. >> police say patrick also becomes convinced he needs his house guest to murder starla. >> they discuss the terms, which includes giving him approximately $1,200 for travel expenses, as well as a place to live, the condo. and when the condo was to be sold, then an apartment. and also the idea of starting up a drug business, a drug distribution business. >> patrick will spearhead the operation, he promises, using underworld associates he claims to have in the state capital of
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richmond. >> there is no evidence that he did have a lot of contacts in the drug world. on the score of murders for hire, this was not one very sophisticated. he didn't know this man very well. had no reason to really trust him with something so significant. >> but patrick cannot imagine the depth of his miscalculation. as the two listen to music and discuss the plot, he tupulls oua crude audio recorder and records it. >> i'm going to kill the bitch. can you live with it? >> i can live with it. kill the bitch. >> patrick never realizes he is being recorded. >> say it. >> kill her. >> say kill her. >> kill her. >> kill her. >> kill her. >> you mean it? >> i mean it. >> don't look at me crazy. you look at me in my eyes. you want me to handle this? >> handle it. >> i think the tapes fairly show that the witness gave mr. shimore an out. do you really want me to do
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this? yes. >> you ask me to do this, and i'm going to do this. >> do it. >> taking her out. >> mm-hmm. >> i don't need you five, 10 years from now tripping me. >> no, man. >> i mean, this is my life, man. >> got that. it's mine too, man. >> that's the only [ bleep ] thing that scare me, man, is that you're going to trip on me. >> come on, man, you know i'm solid. >> you said what i wanted to hear. kill the bitch. >> kill the bitch. >> the witness is talking about something shocking, and the witness, i think, understandably is trying to confirm that mr. shimore isn't joking. so there is repetition. mr. shimore consistently says, kill the bitch. kill the bitch. kill the bitch. >> kill starla. she's [ bleep ] poison. she'll ruin everything.
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that's not the person that i -- i married. i married somebody else. she's [ bleep ] demon, dude. >> he does characterize this in military terms. >> dude, i've been a warrior for a long time. i've got the heart of a warrior, man. she's just a [ bleep ] casualty. >> he does talk about her as being casualty in a larger war. and it's unclear to me what that war involves, or who the opposite sides are on that -- in that war. is it a war of virtue versus vice? a war of him versus her? >> you want me to kill her? >> mm-hmm. kill her. kill starla r. knight. >> he is making crystal clear by using the full name that he wants this person dead. no uncertainty, no confusion. he wants this done. >> what patrick doesn't realize is the plan to sacrifice his wife will lead to the forfeiture
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charlottesville, virginia, 2009. patrick shemorry, a softspoken real estate agent makes a startling proposal to a friend never noticing the audio recorder the man turns on as they listen to music. >> you said what i wanted to know. kill the bitch. >> kill the bitch. >> kill starla. >> kill starla. she's [ bleep ] poison. she's rotten. >> starla is starla knight patrick's estranged wife now living with friends in new orleans. patrick provides his associate, a man law enforcement calls
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witness number one, with $1200 to travel to the big easy and literally hunt her down. >> he goes to new orleans with the $1200 that patrick shemorry has given him. and rather than commit the murder that he's been solicited to commit, he goes to starla and he says, hey, check this out. patrick wants me to kill you. and he plays for her the actual recorded conversation in which patrick does make the solicitation. >> kill the bitch. >> say it. kill her. >> kill her. >> he was no more of a hit man than patrick was. i don't think he ever had any intention or knowledge of how to carry this out. >> shortly thereafter, he walks into the local fbi office, and talks with a couple of the agents that are there and provides the tape to them. >> dude, i've been a warrior for a long time. i've got the heart of a warrior, man. she's a [ bleep ] casualty. >> it's good to make sure the witness hadn't tampered with the tape such that they're only capturing one little specific
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part of a tape out of context. >> the witness is instructed to meet patrick at his new girlfriend's home in nearby green county to discuss the murder plot and videotape the entire exchange with a hidden camera. >> the technology is unbelievable now. a button camera is literally blended into the size of a buttonhole. the lens is smaller even than the buttonholes. that button is laying on someone's stomach who is maybe a larger stomach. so naturally that shirt is going to protrude up. what you're looking for is to get a glimpse of your perpetrator. >> the idea was to have the witness say, okay, i did what you asked me to do. and to confirm that's what was desired. so the witness went in some detail about how he supposedly killed mr. shemorry's wife. >> one pop. one pop.
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laid down, it was over. i had [ bleep ] already in the trunk ready for her. >> where'd you put her remains? >> the lake. tied up with some chains i bought from the dump yard. >> uh-huh. >> that bitch dropped so easy, man. my stomach dropped. >> when he's told that his wife has been killed by the witness, he doesn't react in a histrionic way. he doesn't react tearfully. he acts dispassionately. he looks completely satisfied and completely focused that his wife needed to be eliminated. >> how we going to deal with it, man? i killed your wife. >> we did what we had to do, man. >> no. i did it. >> stand strong. get through it. >> the witness does a pretty good job here.
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the camera does move some, but there are long stretches where it's looking right up at lrp mr. shemorry. >> you admit that you really wanted her gone? >> uh-huh. >> and i asked you that. >> yep. >> the witness asked him straight out. you really wanted me to do this? and i think it corroborated exactly what was recorded on the prior non-law enforcement sponsored audiotape that the witness had made. >> yeah, you got that coldness. that's right. >> a lot of times people -- this is just human nature. when you're in a conversation trying to elicit information from someone, you have a tendency to talk for them or finish their sentences. that is ineffective as a matter of evidence. and it's important to let the target do the talking. >> she's got that disgrace. she disgraced everything. she disgraced herself, her family, you, me. >> i didn't know she disgraced me. >> everything she touched, man. she wrecks people.
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>> it would not have been nearly as effective as a matter of proof for the witness to say, i killed starla, isn't that great, and patrick to nod his head. what was crucial for him to voice from his own mouth the intent. >> well, [ bleep ], man. i would rather she didn't get found. >> why? i did what i did. now, you. i'm ready to get paid. >> okay. >> i'm ready to get paid. >> all right. >> ok. i did my part. now i'm ready to be paid. i think it completes the whole plan of a murder for hire or a murder more more /* for some type of consideration. >> can i get paid? >> yeah, man let's do this soon. >> let's do this now. i need to get started. >> according to their agreement, patrick is supposed to take advantage of contacts he has in
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richmond to set up the hit man in the marijuana trade. >> we're going to richmond to get ten pounds. >> we're going to richmond? >> richmond for 10, 15 pounds. >> yeah. >> he had been drinking, so he may have gone farther than what fbi expected him to say. >> yeah. >> 9 1/2 pounds. >> yeah, yeah. oh, oh! >> once we had that tape, then it was clear to us that it was time to move. that it was time to indict mr. shemorry. it was time to have him face justice. >> but patrick insists the fbi surveillance video is misleading and he's still the caring person his friends and family know. a sentiment his own mother-in-law will come to embrace. >> the lord was in control, so why should i be angry?
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one pop. laid down, it was over. >> green county, virginia. 2009. 28-year-old patrick shemorry is caught on tape listening impassively to an apparent hit man boasting about completing an assignment, the assassination of patrick's estranged wife, starla knight. friends and relative are baffled over the description of the real estate agent as the architect of a murder for hire scheme. >> mr. shemorry does not if it the profile of a killer. >> where'd you put her remains? >> the lake. tied up with some chains i bought from the dump yard. >> uh-huh. >> that bitch dropped so easy, man. my stomach dropped. >> as the man prosecutors call witness number one records him with a hidden camera, patrick reacts with calculated detachment.
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proof, authorities say, the air force veteran truly wanted his wife killed. >> i don't know why he didn't consider divorce instead of murder. maybe there was some sort of worry or fantasy involved. maybe there's something deeper inside of him that preferred the violent option. maybe there was a level of antipathy or anger with her that divorce wouldn't satisfy. >> patrick admits he seems emotionless on camera, but maintains he's feigning nonchalance because he's scared of the man who fabricated the story about murdering starla and throwing her body in the lake. >> i still talk to him, but, you know. >> starla's mother, regina knight, believes her son-in-law. >> even talked with his mother. we were pretty much his parents and me was both in the dark with all this stuff that went on. it's like, you know, it's like something you'd see in a movie is the way i look at it.
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it just seems like it's not him in that video. >> [ bleep ], man. i mean, i tell you, i would rather she didn't be found. >> the family liked him, thought he was a good man. but there are so many defendants who come before a court who have convinced everybody that they don't have an evil bone in their body. >> even so, patrick opts not to go to trial. >> he pled guilty for murder for hire. he got nine and a half years. >> don't worry about it. don't worry about nobody, man. >> we knew we had the defendant himself on camera talking about the murder of his wife. we knew we were bargaining from a position of strength. >> still, patrick says prosecutors are not considering the subtle tees of the story. in his version, his marriage falls apart when starla begins acting erratic, violent, and in his words a danger to herself
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and others. >> she's a disgrace. she's disgraced everything. herself, her family, me, you. >> i didn't know she disgraced me. >> everything she touched, man. she wrecks people. >> even after starla leaves and relocates to new orleans, patrick maintains it's the witness who orchestrates the plot. in a letter to msnbc, patrick writes, he spoke of killer women who came to order their ex-s. he had through his manipulations made starla into a clear and present danger, and then projected himself as the solution. i eventually submitted to his way of thinking and agreed to the crime. >> it's hard to know exactly what happened, who put that idea out there. but from what the tapes show, mr. shemorry was dead set on seeing this accomplished. >> starla did not respond to msnbc's interview request.
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but regina knight says her daughter forgives patrick. >> some have said, why are you defending him? you know, he was trying to kill your daughter. and i just felt like the lord was in control. so why should i be angry? he didn't kill my daughter. that's the blessing of it. >> patrick accepts his fate taking up painting as well as teaching yoga and meditation to other inmates in prison. >> he doesn't argue that he's innocent. he is chagrinned, embarrassed, so sorry. and wanting to get out and live the life that he should have been living all along. >> is there a lesson? there's probably a lot of lessons. don't plan to kill your wife. if you're a criminal, know your friends. >> with all the technology and with all of the ability we have to record conversations, it's still oftentimes comes down to
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old-fashioned witness identification. >> yeah! oh, oh! >> this case really came about because someone raised his hand. coming up -- >> i was going to be a policewoman. >> then why did this suburban mother of four attempt to hire a hitman? >> i had guns put to my head. this was something i wasn't really prepared for. ming. [ susan ] i hate that the reason we're always stopping is because i have to go to the bathroom. and when we're sitting in traffic, i worry i'll have an accident. be right back. so today, i'm finally going to talk to my doctor about overactive bladder symptoms. [ female announcer ] know that gotta go feeling? ask your doctor about prescription toviaz. one toviaz pill a day significantly reduces sudden urges and accidents
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the president is back from the g20 summit in russia to face a battle in congress as he makes the case for military action in syria. after its alleged use of chemical weapons. the president on monday will give a round of interviews to network anchors, including nbc's brian williams, and address the american public on tuesday. pope francis held a vigil
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urging for peace in syria. and the international olympic committee announced today that the 2020 games will be held in tokyo. back to "caught on camera." let me tell you what my husband did to me. >> so you want him gone? not walking the earth anymore? >> if it's an accident, i'd love it. if you're taping me -- >> maybe you're taping me. you could be a cop. >> i could. my father's a cop. >> you kind of look like a cop. >> yeah. >> long island, new york. march 3, 2010. susan williams, a mother of four in the city of garden city pauses to contemplate the consequencesest of her actions
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looking directly into the camera in an undercover vehicle some 30 miles from midtown manhattan. >> the tape tells the whole story. >> he's a schmuck. and i'm like, this is going on forever. >> susan called her husband a schmuck when talking to this undercover cop. it's a derogatory term here. if you listen to her tone, the way she said it was so -- like she hates him. >> you want him dead? >> yeah. god, i don't want to say it. you said it. >> do you want him dead? >> i schmeared this too. sorry. >> that means just crushed, just -- there's nothing left but that line, think of that tire mark on the ground, and everything else is pulverized. that's the schmeared. >> susan's animosity has intensified over time. she and peter marry in 1989. they have a business together,
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ascending socially and financially, and purchasing a home together worth $2 million. >> when you start to peel back the layers of the onion, you had two people who were unhappy. there were transgressions in the marriage. they were going through an incredibly acrimonious divorce. and one of the players just decided to take it to a level that you don't see very often. >> he had a cash business. his fencing business. and now suddenly there's no monthy money when they are going to divide up the money. that's what was making her angry. >> in 2008, susan contacted joel labella. he now works as a private investigator on long island. he meets susan at the carl place diner near her home where she makes an allegation about her husband's habits. >> she was getting beat up in divorce court. 1450e she wanted me to drum up some dirt on her husband. she said he is an alcoholic. could polish off a case of beer a day if not two. she says her kids are young and
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in the car with him. >> labella begins tailing peter's car. one night he spots an intoxicated peter swerving between lanes and phones 911. >> i notified susan they placed him under arrest for dwi. she was ecstatic. job well done, great. praising me up and down. >> peter pleads not guilty and the case is still pending. either way, the arrest does little to solve the divorce issues. and a year and a half later, she summons labella to the carl's place diner again. this time at a a different assignment. >> she leans over and is like, i want him to disappear. you know? and it didn't really register with me right away. i'm like, disappear? can you elaborate? what do you mean, disappear? and she's like i want him gone. i want him erased out of my life. i was told you're the man to get this done. i'm like, you mean like you want him whacked?
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and she kind of nodded the head. she said yeah, if that's how you say it. i called up a friend in the d.a.'s office. i'm like i've got a problem. >> any time someone comes to us with something like this, we first take a step back. we went to the carl's place diner. we have to start trying to confirm what joe labella told us. we did get video because the diner has video of everyone coming in and out. he's a former police officer, so he came to us and said not a problem. i'll wear the wire and go in and talk to her. and we said, no, that's not how we want this to work. >> instead, the district attorney's office instructs labella to phone susan and say he's passing her off to a professional hitman, an actual nassau county detective with 20 years experience. >> i felt he was the right choice because i don't think a susan williams would speak as readily to someone who looked like, you know, a drug addict from the street. she wanted somebody who had a
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little more class. >> detectives listen in to the phone conversation. >> hey. what are you doing? >> i'm going to pick up my son. i'm taking him to choir practice. >> doesn't that sound like fun? >> you know, we try to be good little catholics. >> she's making a joke about taking her kids to choir practice and we're good catholics but yet she's plotting a murder. the murder of the father of her children. >> you still want to move forward? >> yeah. >> all right. very good. i have a buddy of mine that i reached out to that -- old school guy, very good. >> you can hear my voice and, like, i'm talking like we going to do this. don't worry about it. we'll take care of it. we've done this before. he's [ bleep ] crazy. >> during the prior conversation, labella has told susan there are two choices. murder or a less pricey alternative he calls option "b."
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>> i said, what do you want? like bash his brains in, have him sipping through a straw in a hospital bed in a coma? she said, that would be nice. >> there's no turning back now. >> i understand that. >> either option "a" or option "b." you understand those right? >> yeah. >> kick that around. digest that. and then, please, don't speak -- don't even look in the mirror and speak to yourself. >> i would say that was his dramatic flourish. we can't, you know, script what people say. we say keep it simple and to the point. but that was just his personality. >> we'll have coffee, me and a friend of mine and you. then we'll move forward from there. >> okay. sounds good. >> all right sweetie? >> all right. thanks so much. >> all right, baby. >> i said that is something that the defense attorney is going to cross you on. cutie, sweetie, honey. and he said, that's my way. i call everybody honey.
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except me. i think he's afraid of me. >> this time they ask her to lead her to a parking lot across the street and turn her over to the alleged hitman while detectives watch from a series of nearby vehicles. the undercover using the pseudonym nick. >> hi. how are you? >> hi. >> nick, sue. sue, nick. i will not be too far away. okay? >> sure. >> the introductions go smoothly until investigators realize the video camera inside the undercover's car isn't working. >> this is the world that you live in. you hope for the best, but sometimes you come up a little short. but we were lucky in this case to be able to back that up with enough audio to evaluate the substance of what the conversation was. >> i'm in a nasty divorce. my husband, he beats the [ bleep ] out of me. i'm afraid to talk. can you tell? >> you would think that if someone thought there was any chance that they were being
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taped that they would not engage in this kind of crime. but she kept going ahead, even though she made reference to the fact that she might be taped. >> i'd like him to be hurt. i can't afford it. that's really where i stand. >> her biggest concern was if he ends up dead from a bullet in his head, they're going to look for me. because everybody knows we have this awful, contentious divorce. so can't we make it look like an accident? >> he's in an accident, and he ends up dead, i'm great. >> if you want him dead, it's going to be $20,000. >> that's it? all right. >> she's expressing surprise at the fact that it was cheaper to have her husband killed than she thought it was. >> i need a picture of him, but not a prom picture. >> in order to prove the crime of conspiracy, you need an overt
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act. if she pays him, giving him the photo with the action to find him. it has to be an act to get it moving. >> the plan is to stage one more meeting to confirm susan's intent and ensure this time it's all captured on video. >> he's scum. he's scum, all right? and so, no. i'm not going to feel bad. tiny changes in the brain. little things anyone can do. it steals your memories. your independence. ensures support, a breakthrough. and sooner than you'd like. sooner than you'd think. you die from alzheimer's disease. we cure alzheimer's disease. every little click, call or donation adds up to something big.
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cam video of joe labella, a former detective turned private investigator, and susan williams, a mother of four from the tony community of garden city, new york. at a diner near her home. it's here while her neighbors order cheeseburgers and platters that susan asks labella to kill her estranged husband, peter. >> this wasn't something i was prepared for. >> after contacting the nassau county district attorney's office, labella introduces susan to an undercover detective posing as a hit man. >> hi, susan. >> how are you? >> sue, nick. nick, sue. >> nice to meet you. >> i said to the detective if she feels like she can trust you, then she'll open up and talk to you. if she doesn't, then she might get out of the car and walk away. >> on march 3, 2010, in eisenhower park in the town of east meadow, the camera rolls as detectives monitor the exchange from a number of surveillance vehicles nearby.
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>> i haven't been sleeping. i've been like am i crazy? >> you have the nervousness. you have the obvious picture of someone who's never done this before. doesn't mean they're not capable of doing it. >> let met tell you what my husband did to me. he gave me hpv and it turned into cervical cancer. they ripped everything out of me. my uterus, my cervix, and i can't have children. >> how did he give it to you? >> because he was screwing around and got hpv. it was sitting in me for three years. >> so she did fight cancer. but there was no way to connect that he gave it to her because she was having affairs and she was living a wilder lifestyle than she let on. it could have happened, you know, in any number of ways. >> i might have met somebody and wanted to have a child. and now i can't. >> she really gives an awful lot of herself away. it's almost as if she's going through this purging or she's going through this kind of trip down the memory lane of her life. >> thinking aloud, susan wonders
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whether she should pick option "a" murder, or a less expensive debilitating injury they term option "b." >> if he's hurt, my kids are going to go crazy. they're going to feel bad for him. he's going to hire more attorneys because he's so angry. either way it's not -- you know, i know it's tough in the end. but you get over it. >> she doesn't even say oh my children will be without their father. she says, oh, he's not in their life. they'll get over it. >> i thought you had a great idea the last time. i could do like a car accident. >> yeah. what's the guarantee? >> here's the thing. you got to tell me about him and about his habits. >> susan alleges that her husband has a drinking problem. >> if it's an accident, i'd love it. >> an accident. >> i think she had a vision of what her new life was going to be. no more money problems. she'd have his life insurance money. no more divorce problems or fighting in court. she'd have everything.
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>> i don't have any emotions. i do, but i don't. >> you're scaring me. >> but it's the detective's gentle manner that's starting to worry deputy chief district attorney ann donnelly. >> isn't she going to say this person is supposed to be capable of killing someone. he seems too nice. as a woman myself, i kept thinking, you would have to be such a hard person. i said to the detective you don't have to be so nice. he says nice works for me. and it did, obviously. >> you ever do this before? >> no. >> oh. >> i know. i should have been a policeman. i was going to be a policewoman. >> she is asking him to do this terrible thing, but she has to make herself look good. i come from a law enforcement family. i almost became a police officer. i'm not really a bad person. >> susan, you want to walk away from me, we never met, have a good life, see you later, and that's fine. i don't give a rat's ass either way. >> no. i want to get this done.
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i'm going crazy. i want to make sure that when the cops come to my house, i know the proper expression and what not to say and what to say when they come to me. that's what i think about. >> she's actually thinking about do i look sad? how do i act? she's obviously thought about this day after day, night after night about how she's going to pull off this sad widow and then on with her new life. >> yet as guilty as susan sounds, police say she hasn't done enough to be placed under arrest. investigators will remain patient because they understand she intends to continue talking. >> if i could do it myself, i would. today at the concert,
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from midtown manhattan. >> all right. you want him gone, not walking the earth anymore? okay. what do you got? >> i just have a picture. >> susan williams, a mother of four, meets with an undercover detective posing as an assassin for hire. the intended target, susan's estranged husband, peter williams, who runs a successful business installing fences and delivering dumpsters. >> guess you cut yourself out of that picture? >> i did. >> she gives him that photo. in her mind, the murder's as good as happened. and she took such care to write the information on the back and explain it to the detective. >> so what's on the back here? >> i just put his birth date. so you can see how how old he is. >> she wrote down more information than he asked her for. right down to the color of the car he drives to his date of birth. >> but authorities are hesitant to charge susan with any crime
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until they see money changing hands. >> all right. so i should give you some money, right? >> yes. >> and then -- >> hundreds, huh? one, two, three, four, five -- >> you wanted ones? >> no. are they real? are they dry yet? all right. >> the detectives are told to count the money so you can hear it in case the video's not working. >> it's not going to be done obviously today or tomorrow. >> i know. >> it's not going to be done for awhile. >> what's going through his mind is we don't want her to try to contact someone else to do this if it doesn't happen. hey, it's been 24 hours i haven't heard he's been run over. >> detectives allow susan to leave the scene. >> all righty. take care. >> later. >> it's a much easier and calmer arrest processing when you knock on someone's door, we're here to talk to you, we have a search warrant. as opposed to everyone trying to converge at that moment in the middle of eisenhower park. if she jumps in her car and drives away, now we have a
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chase, which is a situation we don't want. >> within 24 hours, susan is picked up at her $2 million house in prosperous garden city, new york. but as jailhouse tapes reveal, she and her 20-year-old daughter alexis have come up with a plan to undermine the case. >> i took everything, dude. two, three full suitcases and your thing of files. every single paper that's in your house with your name on it. >> you don't know how much i love you. >> we find out that there was a change to peter's insurance policy. a forgery that took place. those papers are in her house. that's what she's asking her daughter to go in the house and get. >> and your father didn't see? >> he's like i don't think this is a good idea, blah blah blah. so i started screaming at the top of my lungs saying i'm going to call the cops and say he hit me. >> it was so disturbing to hear a young girl be proud of all of the things that she did.
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and getting this. i got this mom, and he'll never know. it's great. it shows such a level of clear dysfunction. >> alexis is never charged with any crime. >> this call may be recorded or monitored. i have a prepaid call from -- >> susan. >> an inmate at nassau county jail. >> susan should know authorities are listening, but it apparently makes no difference, and the graying weathered version of susan williams who faces jurors later that year seems overwhelmed by the preponderance of tape. >> i want it as simple as possible. if i could do it myself, i would. >> the tape was the center of the trial. we would show the clip where she said if you're taping me, you know, i'm screwed. and that showed that she knew what she was doing was wrong. >> susan's defense counters that joe labella, the private investigator who learns about the plot during a meeting with
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susan at this long island diner, is a master manipulator whose goal has been to entrap a vulnerable mother. >> there was no instance where you could remotely buy into the fact she was entrapped in this case. >> anyway, this is his business address. williams fence. this is what he drives. >> most of what you hear, comes out of susan williams' mouth. >> if it's an accident, i'd love it. >> but as labella, a former detective sits through the trial and watches susan on tape, he has second thoughts about his role in the case. >> i wanted to be a cop. >> so did i. everybody does, right? >> my brother's an aviation policeman. >> i swear to god, god is my judge, if i knew that she had family on the job, new york city cops, i wouldn't be sitting here telling you this story today. i would have went to her father. i would have went to her brother and said look, cop to cop your sister, your daughter is looking to do something. you got to talk to her. but i never knew.
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>> in november 2010, susan is convicted of conspiring to murder her husband, as well as possession of a forged instrument for falsifying the life insurance document. >> it's a shame. one minute you're saying i do, and it's beautiful. one day you wake up and it goes to [ bleep ]. >> he's not going to be living anymore. >> right. >> do people ignore the fact that they're being taped in these situations? i don't know if they ignore the fact or they don't want to believe it. >> i don't have any emotions. i do, but i don't want. i want to get this done. >> they want so much for this outcome to happen, that they don't want to believe this person could be taping them. >> if he's in an accident and ends up, you know, dead, i'm great. >> if you want him dead it's going to be $20,000. >> that's it? all right.
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it's the place where lies unravel and alibis crumble. >> why wouldn't you abduct them? tell me that. >> the interrogation room or as cops call it, the box. >> remember, he doesn't like you, he doesn't trust you, and he doesn't respect you. you've got to overcome those three things before you're going to get a confession. >> in california, a seasoned detective takes us along for a psychological showdown with a suspected serial rapist. >> what was it that pushed you into the idea of forcing sex on women? >> and in arkansas a boy tells us about being 12 and on the other side of the ta
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