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good for each other. >> welcome back to msnbc's special "advancing the dream" live from the legendary apollo theater in harlem, new york city. here's your host, the reverend al sharpton. >> welcome back, welcome back. live from the apollo we're here tonight to honor the struggles and sacrifices of the last 50 years and to look ahead to the next 50. how do we inspire the next generation? how do we overcome the new challenges facing our communities? tonight we're celebrating success and achievement when men and women who are helping us all advance the dream. we begin this hour with a musical icon, activist, entrepreneur, stevie wonder. ♪ very superstitious >> we first knew him as little stevie, and he became one of america's greatest artists.

first motown artist to win complete control over his own music. the result -- an unprecedented explosion of creativity. ten number one albums, 25 grammy awards, a performer with passion and a conscience. he led the push for a federal holiday to honor martin luther king, dedicated his academy award to nelson mandela, prompting the apartheid regime to ban his music. and at president obama's convention in 2 thousand 8, he brought the house down with a stirring rendition of "signed, sealed, delivered" ♪ signed sealed delivered i'm yours ♪ ♪ here i am baby ♪ signed sealed delivered i'm yours ♪ ♪ here i am baby >> ladies and gentlemen, the one and only, stevie wonder.

wow. stevie wonder, i mean, where do you start? you have done it all. i mean, if the dream was on two legs, it's in your body. you from making dr. king's birthday a holiday, you led the whole crusade to fight against apartheid, and you sit here now as one that can say you started as a little boy, you now can look back on the dream, where it's come from, and you are still the one that if the guiding light of entertainment for where we're going for the next 50 years. what does this moment of 50 years of dr. king's dream mean to you out of all you've done, and where do you see us going? >> well, i first have to

commemorate you for your keeping the dream alive and doing what you're doing. and, you know, you got to remember that we used to be more afraid of differences than we are today. so i'm just very happy that you've invited me to come and be a part of the celebration of the dream moving forward, but obviously, we have so much more to do, and so i think that as happy and excited as i am about what has happened, i am so eager to see us move forward and do the things that we still have yet to accomplish. we need people to lead, to get out front on big issues, and not to be afraid. to be bold.

to be courageous. >> you know, i look at you. you performed on this stage since you were a child. >> i was looking around seeing if there was anybody i knew. my old little girlfriends from back in the day. you look almost the same, steven. >> well, aside from all that. yet you never, you've dealt with not only race, you've dealt with the fact that you had the handicaps to deal with. i mean, if anybody believed, it was you. how did you get that faith? what gave you your mother and others i've read went through things and you were able to rise and make it. what gave you that strength and that determination, steven? >> i made dr. king's dream my

own, but before we even say that, god has always been the purpose for me knowing and believing that there's nothing in life bigger than life. god is bigger than life. so in life, we just have to do great things. we just have to believe and know that nothing incredible is impossible. >> you have seen movements all over the world and have participated, but you've also set a rhythm to them, to music. what is your hope that you would see in the entertainment world reflecting now going forward? i know you're passionate about education, you're passionate about things that cross our differences that we all need. what would you like to see entertainers inspire in the forward 50 years that we're going into now?

>> the thing about life is i could say absolutely nothing because i think that life itself will give the entertainer what they will need to do. i think that if artists really care about what's happening to the youth, if artists really care about what's happening with gun violence, if artists really cares about what we need to do to make a difference with what is not happening and how many people that are for -- that are against some sort of gun cont l control, if we really commit ourselves as artists to confront, to write, to talk about, to deal with those things, you know, when i talked about stand for peace not your ground, i mean, the reality is when you look back at dr. king,

he was a student of mahatma ghandi who believed in peace and a place to make a difference nonviolently. so we're celebrating 50 years, 50 years after this very thing. and i was just thinking it's amazing because i only feel like i'm about 17, but the thing about it is i just remember that i was given my first award here at the apollo 50 years ago when i was 13 years of age by paul newman and joanne woodward. >> right here at the apollo? you were given your first award. >> and i want artists to remember the dream and dream their dream. i think that, you know, we have

to embrace each other. we have to embrace the artist. and parents, you have to be more aware of what your children are listening to and what they're feeling, and you have to listen to what they're saying and correct them in a place where they're wrong, encourage them in a place where they're right. >> as you look at your career and being this great force of consciousness, what mentored you? who were the ones that were important to you? what made stevie wonder stevie wonder? >> as a little kid, my mama's belt, you know. that had a lot to do with it. because i was a bad little blind kid. i did things. i tried to do, you know, all the things that other kid was do. they had this thing where you make these wax hands, and so you

know, i knew it was very dangerous, but i was like challenged to also be a part of that. you know, she came on the scene when i was trying to put my hand in the wax. and you know, she wrapped me up in her arms and took me home. and you know, i got the belt. i got the whipping. lula mae had high standards. and she wanted me to be independent but not irresponsible. >> wow, i'm going to leave it right there till we do the panel. thank you, steve. we're going to come back with the panel. straight ahead, stevie will be with us again. stevie wonder, y'all. coming up, cory booker on advancing the dream in politics. and stevie and magic back on stage in moving forward.

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the hope that we confess. thank you. god bless you. and god bless the united states of america. >> that was then-senator barack obama at the democratic convention in 2008 looking forward to the future and blazing a trail for an entire generation of african-american political leaders that includes one of the nation's rising stars, new york mayor and new jersey senate candidate cory booker. ladies and gentlemen, please welcome cory booker to the apollo. ♪ you can feel it all over ♪ they can feel it all over >> mr. mayor -- >> i just need to stop for a second, please. >> oh, yeah.

>> i never thought i would be sitting here at the apollo theater. this is amazing for me. i used to stay up late when i was growing up, the apollo theater would stay up late. my mom didn't want me staying up that late. it had the acts and such a historic place that were here. >> we've had a few good ones tonight. >> amen. amen. >> let me go back. a lot of us know you in the political headlines, but you were raised by a mother and father. your father by a single mother. and not long after you were born, they faced housing discrimination in washington, d.c. >> well, it was actually they really rode the wave and were a part of the '60s civil rights movement at the time that lots of people were opening up doors. i know i am where i am right now because of this profound conspiracy of love that was going on that gave my family opportunities that blacks didn't have at that point. both my parents thanks to work of the urban league became a part of a wave of african-americans entering ibm and other corporations for the first time. >> the urban league opened those

doors. the head of the national urban league, marc moriel is with us here tonight. >> yes, yes. i can never forget. these historic organizations. so when my parents got a promotion to northern new jersey, they immediately fell smack into the housing discrimination going on at the time where real estate agents wouldn't show them homes in white neighborhoods. so my parents then joined together with another traditional organization, the fair housing council, where blacks and whites had come together with the idea they could break housing segregation in new jersey in 1969. my parents became part of a sting operation where the white couple would follow my parents. and eventually after a big altercation where my father's lawyer was literally punched by the real estate agent when he found it in some legal going back and forth, we eventually became the first black family to integrate a neighborhood in northern new jersey in 1969. >> you then went -- that's an amazing story. then you grew up, you went to

stanford then on to yale, but then you decided to go to newark. i mean, you could have written your ticket on wall street. >> be careful now. you don't talk about newark that way. i mean, i mean -- >> i don't mean going to newark is a bad thing. >> thank you. >> i mean other than going -- i'm not running for nothing, you all. rather than going somewhere in the private sector and making money, you actually moved into a housing development and started working on the ground in newark with all of that background. why? >> look, my father, mother, raised me with a sense that i am who i am because of the sacrifices and struggles of others. that i can't just consume all these blessings that i received and become dumb, fat and happy on my own thinking i am who i am because of me. my parents made me realize that

i'm part of a larger historical movement to make country live up to its highest aspirations, highest ideals. so for me, my heroes were people like when i was going through college, people like marion wright edelman. jeffrey canada is who i aspired to live like. i moved to newark on martin luther king boulevard. the man who stood for nonviolence. on that intersection, high and spruce, was one of the most dangerous intersections in all of new jersey at the time. i wanted to be there because i wanted to be a part of really great people. of dignity, of worth who were on the front lines of the fight to make america be america. >> now, you say about that movement, then you were talked into going into politics, city council, then mayor and aspiring now to the u.s. senate. where do you see going forward that political movement? black politics has expanded and changed. we have congressman charlie rangel here with us tonight. one of the real legends and

trail blazers that brought us this far. where do you see us going politically in the next 50 years? where do we need to be going? >> we need to get out of the idea that politics is the end. that just putting people in office is what we should be aspiring for. the end ultimately is about our own communities and our neighborhoods and how are we as a country living up to this ideal that no child -- every child born in america, no matter where you're born, should have an equal shot at america. so what i'm hoping is our politics as we continue to evolve doesn't simply lie within a sector but we all in america realize if we have the grace and the blessing to call ourselves an american, then we, too, must be involved in politics. and it is a political action in and of itself to remove yourself from the process. look, i know the power of the people is always greater than the people in power, but yet because of --

[ applause ] -- the way we view politics now it's becoming more and more of a spectator sport. >> right. >> where you just sit on the sidelines and root for your team, red or blue and see how they're doing. but that's just not how it should work. democracy demands action, engagement and involvement from all of our citizenry. the only reason why we have the vicious challenges we face right now, stratification of income, an incarceration nation, putting more people in prison than any other country on the globe per capita, the only reason why we have massive and increasing child poverty in america is not because we do not have the capacity to do something about it. we can do -- in fact, american history is a screaming testimony to the perpetual achievement of the impossible. we are a people who can do anything. it's not a matter of can we deal with the problems, it's a matter of do we have the collective will. real leadership is not people that stand up and say, follow me, vote for me, that's not leadership to me.

leadership is people that inspire others to understand that they, too are leaders and they must lead. >> as you talk about leadership, somebody that is watching and maybe have doubts, have you ever in this rise -- we see cory booker doing all kinds of great things, but have you ever faced a situation where it just broke you? you felt like i'm not going to be able to get through this? have you ever felt you stumbled, doubted yourself? did you ever have to fight through some of the times you questioned yourself? >> yeah, look u know, cornell west talks about us being a blues nation. and the problem is you turn on the tv set and our politics and our politicians often aren't even talking about the issues that americans are dealing with every single day. so, you know, just the night before last we had a 14-year-old murdered in newark. >> right. but let me -- this story gets worse.

he had been arrested four, five times before. first time when he was 12. we went into his apartment and found about 30 bricks of heroin and a loaded gun in his bedroom. >> 14 years old. >> 14 years old. his mom was living in same apartment. and so you ask me when do you get broken? if we are a nation -- and i have to say this, and it's controversial. because what happened in connecticut broke me. i watched the tv and wept. but i also then worried about my nation when i saw this national outpouring of outrage. where is that outrage when children are dying in our cities every single day? and so -- and so if we've gotten to a point in america where we are not broken by the savage death of a child, where we don't feel wounded by the loss of a kid that at 12 years old is getting arrested, if we do not know and are connected to that pain, then we are losing the

soul of our nation. and my prayer is that from our politics to our music to our art to our media, that we resurrect this idea in this country that we are all in this together, and we need each other. >> we have to go. thank you. newark mayor cory booker. we'll be right back. coming up, magic johnson, tyler perry and stevie wonder back on stage together. president obama was on this stage last year and surprised us, all of us, with this. ♪ i'm so in love with you ♪ i have very well fitting dentures. i like to eat a lot of fruits. love them all. the seal i get with the super poligrip free

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welcome back to "advancing the dream." i'm standing here with the intellectual, social intellectual of our time dr. michael eric dyson. people don't know your story. my colleague here, contributor to msnbc. i wanted to just take a quick minute. tell them your story. you wasn't always the socrates of our time. >> you're very kind, reverend sharpton. yeah, i grew up in the ghetto of detroit.

my father was an automobile factory worker. my mother worked in the public schools. we struggled. we hustled. i began to speak in public at the age of 10. as a result of that, i got released from some of that struggle. joined a gang later on. me and my brother. after that, went out to a prestigious secondary school. got kicked out, came back and went to night school. became a teen father. hustled on the street for three years. lived on welfare. then went to college at 21. and as a result of that, you know, i saw my brother suffer as well. my brother who's been in prison now for 24 years. >> your brother. >> my brother. that's right. accused of murder. we believe he's innocent. but the reality is he was enthralled by the vicarious pleasures of street pharmaceuticals. so he was engaged in -- he slung drugs. he slung crack and he sold marijua marijuana. as a result of that, we went two different ways. as a kid i was called professor and as a kid he was seen as somebody who might not live up to his potential, so one became a professor, one became a prisoner, but we come from the

same womb of love that nurtured us. >> so you went to princeton. >> right. >> eventually after falling down, picked yourself -- your brother went to prison. what made the choices different, do you think? >> well, he's equally as bright, but opportunities prevail. first of all, the light versus dark thing. we ain't got time to deconstruct that. but secondly, what happened is that he fell on some hard times and as a result of the difficulties he endured, he made some self-destructive choices that he would acknowledge now. i had jesus, jobs and justice. i had the transformative experience of a god who placed in my life people who helped me out. you could say it was a coincidence but einstein said coincidence is god's way of remaining anonymous. those people helped me transform. secondly, i had a job. a program that allowed young people to get a job. what does it mean to get up every day and get a jobbed on go to work? i don't damn young people to have low-slung draws.

raise up their dreams and their draws will follow. thirdly, justice, you, martin luther king, jesse jackson, made a tremendous difference, ella baker, in terms of transforming this nation. without that justice, i wouldn't be able to have opportunities. >> we all had somebody help us. you went to princeton. we'll be right back. ♪

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never seen anything quite like this. magic johnson, tyler perry and stevie wonder. all together on the same stage at the same time. i mean, this is -- it's live all over the country on msnbc. >> i was just thinking all these people here, i can ask all of you how you all can get me a job. i've always wanted to be a ballplayer. >> and we always wanted to sing, see? >> you all could just cross, do it for each other. let me ask you something, though. when people are seeing all this success, clearly all of it a result of the movement, and then the obligation that all of you all have said tonight that we have to continue and whether it's in business, whether it's in artistry, whether it's in cinema and business.

and -- well, let me ask you something. the kid watching this, whether he be white, she be latino, he be african-american, saying but that's them, not me. give me the hardest thing you had to overcome to really turn yourself around. i'm talking about something personal. i'm not talking about the "i have a dream" speech. i'm talking about me, magic, me tyler, me stevie. what did you have to deal with that was the turning point for you that you almost could have gone wrong but it kind of shook you and made you realize this is what i want to do? >> well, i think for me it was more everybody put me in a category as the dumb jock. when i first tried to get into business, tim banks turned me down. they loved the autograph. they loved me coming to dinner or lunch with them, but they didn't think i was smart enough

or had the knowledge to really run a business and have an equity fund or a real estate fund. and so everybody thinks that oh, because i'm magic johnson, i had it easy. well, i had it difficult because to build those theaters down the street and the starbucks, i had to do it with my own money until i had a track record of success. then they looked up and said, oh, i guess he does know business. now i will invest with him. but i think that we all have to overcome something and then make no mistake about it, all four of us had to put in a lot of work. if i was telling a young person anything, first of all, your work ethic has to be off the chart. then what is your niche, okay? what is it that you're passionate about that's going to wake you up in the morning? see, the money, the check is not going to wake you up. that's not going to wake you up. it's your love and passion for what you do.

that's what wakes you up. so they have to find something that they love and then put the time in and the effort into it and then sacrifice the video game, sacrifice the party, the club. see, i made great sacrifices to be at the top of my game in basketball. when i first met cookie, the first date we had, i had a robert hall three-piece suit. it was reversible because it's two suits in one. and i took her out in that robert hall special. so when we went to dinner, i got back to the dorm. i said go put your warmup on. she said, okay. i went and put my warmup on. i took her to the basketball court. 12:00 midnight. we shooting hoops. i say, i'm going to shoot, you're going to rebound. that's when i knew -- >> you put her to work. >> -- that she was the right one.

and so -- >> wow. >> but that's what i'm talking about. i was shooting hoop at 3:00 in the morning. so kids got to understand, they got to make sacrifices. they got to put the work in. >> tyler? >> yeah, for me, my greatest thing to overcome was my mind because i was born into this situation. i was born into poverty. i was born into what i saw every day. but -- and everybody around me would tell me, this is it, this is your life. this is all you will ever be. you will never be any higher than this. you would never go any further than this. but once i began to understand that the dream that i had was taking on a life of its own, i had to get my mind to catch up with the dream. because i literally lived -- two blocks in front of where i walked out of my front door, two blocks in front of the house i lived in there were all these mansions that lined st. charles avenue. two blocks behind me, literally, i had to go to school. i had to walk through the graveyard, through the projects

to get to school. i wanted what is in front of me. my mother said, can't do that, don't be here, be in the house at night. don't stand over there. there's white folks over there, don't go over there. it was where they come from. so being a child hearing all of that, it was my mind. the thing that helped me to get it was one three little letters. "why." i'd ask my mother, "why?" she'd say, well, because you're poor. why can't you do that? or because you're black. none of those things made sense to me. once i was able to bring my mind under captivity, everything else fell into place. no matter what your situation looks like, i don't care how many kids are watching right now, i was there where you are. i was there with the bologna sandwiches trying to get butter and the rice together to have dinner. i know what that's like. so to have that and know that there is a vision, and sometimes you have to take your dream and hide it in your coat, close to your heart so that the people

around you don't tear it apart. so have your dream, hold on to it and just as magic said, you have got to work at it. sacrifice. i'm still sacrificing to this day. i've laid so much aside just so that the work could be there and that's why if we cannot only be successful, but carry so many others with us, you know, the hundreds of people that work for me. i have their dreams and their children's dreams and their -- all of that on their backs, i'm carrying it with them. we're all pulling it together. it's a wonderful thing. it is getting over your mind. >> stevie wonder? stevie wonder. [ applause ] >> well, for me, any and everyone's greatest doubt was my most wonderful blessing. and when i say that, i say it still for us today. when we talk about our successes, as men and as women

of african descent and various people considered minority descent, when a person looks at you and says you can't because of the color of your skin, well, i can't relate to that. because i've never seen any color anyway. so for me, so for me, when that teacher who was saying it from her heart, from the bottom of her heart, you know, you've got to do this because you've got three strikes against you. you're black, you're blind, and you're poor. well, you know, those peanut butter and jelly sandwiches tasted kind of good to me, and the whole thing of being blind, i've never seen so i never understood what blind really

meant. well, black, even today, in the society, it seems to me people who are prejudice based on one's color or ethnicity, it seems like they have a sickness that, you know, they need to get rid of, get over it, get it together. you know? so, so my dreams could never be dashed by someone's illness. it will never be dashed by someone's illness. and please, i say this to americans of all ethnicities. don't let the incredible potential of us being truly the greatest nation of the world be dashed by your sickness. don't do it. >> we'll be back with a lot more right after this. stay with us. ♪

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♪ they can feel it all over ♪ they can feel it all over welcome back. welcome back. well, our panel is growing. in our last few minutes we're joined now by one of pioneering businessmen on wall street, ron blaylock. glad to have you on. >> thank you, reverend. >> ron, you heard magic johnson talking about the difficulties of business and ted banks turning him down, and he's magic johnson. how was it for you and other businessmen that have tried to in these years that the dream was trying to be realized, go into business and develop business as a minority even on wall street? >> as earvin said, it's very difficult. a lot of setbacks. a lot of nos.

but there's always a yes at the end of the day. particularly if you develop a skill and a product and you can provide solutions to people, you can add value and people will take that at some point and you just have to stick to that mission. >> you know, i want to ask the panel a question, as we try to bring this to a close. two weeks ago, we stood in washington and we talked about 50 years since dr. king said "i have a dream." and couple hundred thousand people marched that saturday. marc moriel, reverend w. franklin richardson. all of us leading talking about we have to keep voting rights, we have to fight for jobs. 50 years from now, what do you hope they can say, standing there, that we've done in the 50 years that we've been out front and we've been the models that people are looking for? what are the things that we

ought to be focused on? >> i think, reverend, you know, when you think about, it's always got to be about economic development. it's got to be about us owning more businesses within our -- in our own community. i think reverend sharpton, we have to be about making sure we that we own our own businesses an we put our own people to work. because if we come back and it's still the same thing, we're not going to advance. so, so if we own our own businesses in harlem or south-central l.a. and so on, that means more of our young people will have jobs and opportunity. i think that's really what's important. so it's, i think in the '60s they were saying we almost owned more businesses than we own today. we have to get back to owning businesses in our own community and put people to work. >> anybody else? >> i believe that -- i believe that we have to own communication. communication is very important.

we have to be able to have more stations owned by people of color. and i believe that we have to allow this to be very, very important in the scheme of just life and information. you -- you can't know the story if you don't hear the story. and i commemorate msnbc for what they've done tonight. it's a great thing. [ applause ] but we have to do that. i know that. i own a radio station. >> yeah, you do. >> we talk about your films. i've seen a few of them, too.

but we keep it real. we keep it honest. you know, one is not enough. just a couple or a few is not enough. and i think, if i may say one other thing, we really have to confront the educational system. everyone, everyone, every single american must feel and know they were a part of this united states. so i think that books have to be rewritten. the whole notion of changing what happened during slavery time to saying is a fantasiy, texas, is unacceptable. i just think we have to really, really keep it real. and i love you all in texas, i really do. so don't feel offended, but i just think that we can't act like something that truly

happened didn't happen. it's real. confront it. deal with it and make the difference by changing it. >> sallie? >> as i look to 50 years from now sitting here today, business and capitalism has a brand problem, and it should. i'm hopeful that as we look out 50 years that we can move away from just the focus on the shareholders to the focus on the communities and the employees and recognize that you can do well and do good at the same time but that our business leadership really begins to embrace a true meritocracy where people get ahead because of their hard work not because of the color of their skin or their gender. >> it's very important for young people, if we're going to grow and for just people in managing their careers and their lives, whether you're 50 or you're 20,

as w.b. dubois said, the great american educator, the key is to be able to sacrifice who you are for what you become, the key is to be able to sacrifice who you are for what you can become. and if you think of that, you won't stand still. you won't stand still. you'll take on entrepreneurism, you'll take on risk, you'll challenge yourself to be better and to control your own economic destiny. >> tyler perry. >> you know, i'm hoping that -- i'm very hopeful just as 50 years ago was a much different place, that in 50 years is much different. a friend of mine was dropping his son off at school and his son pointed and said, that's my friend. and my friend who is my age said, which kid? are you talking about the indian kid, the white kid? and his child looked at him like, what are you talking about? he didn't see any race at all. so what i'm hoping is that as we

continue to celebrate our strengths and our diversity and how strong we are, we also become more open to everyone being all a part of what america should be and just an equal opportunity place for all, so that's what i'm hopeful. >> cory booker. >> well, i think we have to have the courage to tell the truth. we've been having this conversation for decades. and unfortunately, the trends are going in the wrong direction. social mobility has declined dramatically, social stratification is expanding our country. my father born in 1936 growing up in the '50s had more of a chance to make it in many ways than we see happening now. the way to break with that is to have the honest conversation that if we continue to do the same things over and over again, we'll get the same results. we're a country right now that's far more comfortable spending hundreds of billions of dollars for failure, prisons, hospitals, you name it, than investing that money in what actually works. so we need to start reframing

this conversation, not in a right/left way because that's getting us nowhere in america, but in a way that works to advance not just black people but all of america. because we all do better when we all do better. >> lisa? >> for me, the most important difference that i want to see in 50 years is not that we have forgotten the story, but that the story is still not the same story being told. so i don't want anyone to ever forget emmett till. i don't want anyone to ever forget trayvon martin, but i don't want another one to occur and for that to be the reason that we have the conversation. so i want my children to tell their children a story about how things used to be, and this is how you behave, not you have to behave because things are still this way. >> you know, there's a song that i hope we can sing, there's a song that i hope that we can sing changing the lyric a little bit but making it where it will

have been by then, which is -- ♪ we have overcome ♪ we have overcome ♪ we have overcome today ♪ whoa ♪ deep in my heart ♪ we do believe ♪ we have overcome today >> and let me say as we get ready to go, let me say that, as we as a country remember the dream, as i stood there at lincoln memorial and the 50th anniversary of dr. king's

speech, she asked me why are you so melancholy. i thought about how we still faced problems, but i thought about how 50 years ago they came to washington on the back of bus, couldn't stop in a restaurant, couldn't vote in most states, and we came back 50 years later there was a black president in the white house and a black attorney general. we did what they couldn't imagine. i intend to fight every day of my life until 50 years from now things are happening that i couldn't even imagine had happened. that's when we know that we lean forward and made the dream advance. when beyond our wildest dreams things can happen, and if we get up every day determined to make that happen and know that everything we see is a result of some dreamer that changed reality, and that's what we must do. thank you for being here tonight. thank you for watching, and thanks again.

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