natalie has your answer. >> well, a lot of viewers seem to think beer pong should be an olympic sport. >> that would be awesome. >> then lance says that obviously extreme couponing should be in the olympics. have you seen these people? they're cut throat. >> we had a couponing should be in the olympics. >> cricket has been mentioned. tomorrow dodgeball. people who hate each other have a friendly competition. "morning joe" starts right now. >> beginning of play-action and a screen pass and almost intercepted. demarcus gets it. he does pick it off. >> inside handoff as the giants -- hayden -- going to the end zone.

>> it's intercepted. off scott's hand. brandon running it down. >> in a wild and somewhat strange and entertaining game the cowboys prevail 36-31. good morning. it's monday, september 9th. welcome to "morning joe." look, it's dark. >> willie and i predicted that this is the jets year. giants are going to be horrible. >> let the tabloids begin to talk about the demise of eli manning worst quarterback in america. >> and mark halpern is here. economisti economist jeffrey sachs robert gibbs. this morning the secretary of state, john kerry is making the case for use of force in syria. speaking in london, secretary

kerri addressed widespread push back in the global community. >> there are a group of people assembled outside the building as is their right and as people should assemble. and some of them, i heard them saying, you know, keep your hands off syria. i think it would be good to hear people saying to a dictator, keep your hands off chemical weapons that kill your own people. protect your own people. i think it's important for us to stand up as nations for civility. >> back at home president obama is now bringing in heavy political artillery to help convince a skeptical country and congress including inviting former secretary of state hillary clinton to speak in support of the syria resolution today at the white house. the president, meanwhile, will do interviews with all the major networks and make a rare address to the country on tuesday night.

he's also making the case on a personal level. >> can i ask real quick. is the president going to be speaking -- is he going in front of congress, has he decided? >> the white house. >> the speech is at the white house. they have been talking about him going in front of congress. >> is there a debate. >> he's going up to the hill to talk to republicans. >> but the speech itself. >> you know, don't make me explain this to your beard, okay. >> i'm distracted. >> first time seeing it up close. >> no way. >> touch it. >> he wants you to say it's very clooney. >> it's for display only. >> so, anyway, isn't it fascinating hillary clinton basically lost the 2008 democratic primary because of her support of the war, for the most part plus really bad planning on her campaign team,

but i'm surprised she's going to get out and be in support of a war that 80% of americans oppose and, certainly, i would 90% of the democratic base. >> americans rightly oppose it. this is a huge mistake and i don't think she can avoid it because she's part of this mistake. >> how is that >> a year and a half ago, april 1, 2012 when she said assad must go. at that point we already got into the civil war. we already started helping with other countries to fund this rebellion. >> how did we do that? we hear from john mccain and others that we actually haven't even begun to support the syrian resistance. >> that's not the case. there has been a group called friends of syria group, which has met several times, the foreign ministers. they have given active support, the united states support isn't what mccain would like.

he wants an even bigger war. but we've already gotten into this for more than a year and a half. >> hilary was part of that process. >> of course. that's why it's escalated to so much. americans are just waking up we're in that war too. that's the biggest problem, we're in that war. it was a huge mistake to get into it. they thought it would be a quick deal, assad would go and everything would be fine. what has happened we have funded a growing massive killing field, basically, on both sides, not just the u.s. side but this is why there are is 100,000 deaths because we are supporting a rebellion with gulf countries. >> robert gibbs, has this been going on for over a year or so. >> that's the most curious roundup of what's happened in syria that i've heard in two years that somehow -- did you just say we're responsible for

100,000 syrians that are dead? >> no, i didn't say that. >> you did. >> robert, listen to what i said. i said we have helped to stoke a rebellion that led to killings on both sides so we have built up -- >> i missed the transition where you didn't blame the united states for somehow the actions of bashir al assad who killed these people including using chemical weapons and killed 500 kids while they slept. >> robert, why did we get into somebody else's war, undeclared without the united states people knowing about it and against international law? >> i guess i'm just hung up on the fact that the united states killed 100,000 people in syria. >> i did not say that. let me say it again. >> maybe the third time will be the charm. >> then i'll say it again, robert. together with gulf countries, the u.s. has been supporting a military rebellion in syria for a year and a half and together

with those countries has been funding logistics, salaries and arms flows that have led to a massive escalation of violence. this is not simply assad killing his people this is a war the u.s. has been supporting because we thought we could knock out assad and lead another regime change and it didn't look. >> sir, everyone is entitled to their own opinion on syria. i think your history of this is convoluted at best. the notion that somehow we have played some huge role in the fact that bashir al assad has killed and now gassed his own people. look, we should set this aside. >> did hilary -- >> we'll continue this. the point we'll take regarding hilary, she's been a part of this and i'm sure after this show and even right now people are probably doing their

research, and we'll see all of this on the internet by the time the show is over. let's move on, though, because the president -- we're going to have a heated debate. a heated debate not only in the halls of congress but across washington, d.c. and the president has to scramble for votes. here's the interesting thing, though. i said on friday, this is a very tough decision for me despite the fact i've been against intervention in almost every war in the past 20 years. i'll tell you i have yet to find one person, one normal person, you know, outside the media -- >> what does that mean? >> outside politics that doesn't make money, talking or voting on something like this. i have yet to find one person outside media or politics that supports syria. and i have purposely gone out of my way to get people on all ins

of the ideological spectrum, financial spectrum. i'm randomly asking cab drivers, i'm randomly asking people in diners, what do you think about syria -- not one person came close. >> i have had the same experience and that's where the case needs made. president obama spent friday phoning members of congress and got to make the case to the country as well. he dropped in on a dinner the vice president was hosting with top republicans senators on sunday night. but even those that back a show of force say his strategy has been underwhelming at best. >> so they don't have strong relationships in congress today. that's a huge problem for them. candidly have done an awful job explaining to the american people what is in our national security, what is the national united states interests in any level of engagement in a place like syria. it's a confusing mess up to this

point and that's been, i think, their biggest challenge on what is an incredibly important issue. >> i think it's going to be very difficult for him to get votes and this goes back not just to tissue itself but you can't begin to build a relationship with congress for the first time when you need their support on something like this. a week and a half ago my office reached out to the white house and said we support the strike on syria, we'll help you round up support if you need it. i haven't heard back from the white house yet. >> something that the congressman said right there, people that you talk to, they are horrified by what happened. there's no question about it. 1500 people dying, 500 children in their beds. that's horrifying. what they are not convinced of is a, there's american national interest at stake and b, there's such a thing as a clean war. i think the experience of the last dozen years or so have taught everybody from congress people to people on tv and people that you meet in those diners that say there's no such thing as lobbying a couple of

cruise missiles. >> this is a great point from last week and something i'm thinking about. go back to korea. and, please, name the big winnable war that we fought since world war ii? what do you think about korea, vietnam, first gulf war, second gulf war or afghanistan. there are no clean war, especially no clean wars in the middle east. >> the american people won't take that at face value that trust me on this one, if the president tells me on tuesday night we can go in and get out. what if assad retaliates like against israel or someone else. >> netanyahu is asking, hoping that they will respond. they won't respond but, you know, israel struck them twice now. and i only bring this up because you hear a lot if syria is attacked and iran is attacked -- listen, oppose the war for a lot

of good reasons don't oppose the war because israel will be hit by syria or iran. israel is hoping to be hit by syria or iran and then they will go in and absolutely demolish them. but there is a real concern, obviously, about destabilization across the middle east and every single republican senator that's supporting this has a challenger now that's going to make him pay, including and i love iron i, liz cheney. right. liz cheney. more dan senore, when he found liz cheney is going against the neo-con position. >> no question, this is guiding what congress should do but some of them are worried about losing. you hear members that have tough races in potential primaries saying that. you got a president who has got

to do a heavily lift. the inside game he's playing and played over the weekend to get support from members of congress is important but he has to move public opinion. i don't think there's any doubt chance for success is moving the polls. every public poll has been very much against the president. >> there's a lot to be done in a very short of time in terms of making the case. most in congress are undecided despite days behind closed doors briefings where lawmakers view graphic videos of victims exposed to sarin. top administration officials are pressing the issue with the congressional black caucus, progressive caucus and hispanic caucus groups who are typically on the president's side. congressional democrats are as likely to oppose the plan as support it. in a majority of states not a single member of congress has publicly backed a military strike. among them a dozen states that

the president carried both in the 2008 and 2012 elections and the issue could prove to be toxic in the mid-term elections. four senior republican senators, all face primary challenges and nearly every challenger has come out against using military force in syria, trying to make it a wedge issue. all of the incumbents except south carolina senator lindsey graham are undecided on whether to use force. this has become a big political issue on a number of levels. >> you know what's interesting to remember as he talk about the polls and everybody against. i remember seeing a "los angeles times" poll in early 2007 that 75% of americans were against the surge. 75% of americans, congress didn't want to support the surge. they went ahead and supported the surge and, you know, like most people said that worked out and i'm sure the president will argue that.

it's a tough, tough slot. >> how will he get the votes? >> look, he's going to have to get a passage in the senate. the house won't vote first. two things will happen. one it will put some pressure on the house to pass it. the president may pocket the senate victory and say i don't need the house vote i got the upper chamber. >> when you pointed out israel wants us to go and it's about iran, this is really very important to understand. this is a proxy war. this isn't about syria. all international diplomats behind-the-scenes say this has nothing to do about syria, this has something to do with iran which is why the american people are more right to oppose this. on this question how far we've gone let me read from april 1, 2012. we think assad must go hillary clinton told abc today after attending the one day friends of the syrian people conference in

istanbul. representatives of more than 60 countries attending the conference pledged financial assistance to the syria free army, the main opposition group in an effort to encourage further defection from assad forces. clinton said the united states has agreed to pledge an additional 12 million for a total of 25 million in aid and provide communications equipment to help the syria free. we've been building a war in syria, the american people have not known about it until now. this is the history of the background to this and american people do not want to be in a war in syria. >> robert gibbs, what does the president do? obviously, the president is, i think we had a conference this weekend say he's really hurt himself because -- mike rogers -- because he announced he was going to congress then

went to overseas. it's like pulling teeth to get him to say other than barack obama is perfect. >> that's not true. >> it is true and you know it. >> that's ridiculous. >> but even he said on friday, i guarantee you, he's going to e-mail me, david will e-mail me and say there's nothing i ever said joe that i suggested that barack obama was not perfect. but even he said if we can take the week back we would. it's been mishandled. it's hard to tell whether the president has a chance or not because of the last week. do you think he really can turn it around moving forward? >> look, i don't think -- i think what everybody said in terms of how this is a huge uphill battle is certainly true. i think the week that david talked most about was the week that kerri was out twice and re-ordering that week. i don't think it was a bad thing

to spend time with international leaders because international support is important for this case. look, i think the president comes to this with the country being weary of war. i think what the president has to do is, as you all discussed is roll out a case about why this is in the national interest of the united states of america. i would start with a pretty somber retelling of what happened in damascus that day. what happens when a dictator like assad uses chemical weapons against his own people. and i think i would have a discussion as, you know, we've seen discussions about what happens if we go in. what are the ramifications. i think the president probably has to spend some time discussing what happens if the international community does not respond to the use of chemical weapons for the first time in probably 25 years, and what does that mean, because we've talked

about and i remember, you know, the john kerry/rand paul exchange they are having this discussion will assad retaliate if we launch cruise missiles. well what lesson, i think the president has to unwind this, what lesson will assad learn if the international community shrugs to the use of chemical weapons in such a big way and i think that's what he's got to do. >> did you see serena last night? >> yes, i did. >> wow. that second set, you guys see that? >> she's unreal. >> unbelievable. then third set. naacp been jealous was on. did you see al sharpton -- >> it was so good. >> good magic. man. that guy had an amazing story and he had tyler perry come on.

i don't usually sit and watching tv on a friday night. then tyler perry came on and had an extraordinary -- i mean just a great life story. >> congratulations. >> really great. and big news here too. super bowl buzz. bruno mars to sing at the super bowl. what are they doing. we got the who. we got the rolling stones. we got paul mccartney. >> beyonce. >> bruno mars? >> he's a big star in his own right. >> i think it's the pro bowl not the super bowl. >> my daughter will be angry -- >> exactly. >> that i'm talking this way. come on, bruno mars. did you see this bloomberg interview. oh, dear lord. >> i'm sure it's the opposite of

the outcome he wanted. >> coming up on "morning joe" you heard him call the white house message on syria a confusing mess. chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers will be here. bill kristol joins the conversation. and financial analyst meredith whitney is here to mark this week's fifth anniversary on the financial collapse. also theater mogul jordan roth previews the fall season. in a few minutes mad dog. >> he's mad today. >> wow. let's move on. up next, we have a big announcement this morning in the political playbook. but first here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> delivered just the best weekend in recent memory for new

england. that was me. >> my doctor can have the god complex. you? >> why not. this morning we're watching nasty weather heading up know the northern plains. the rest of the country is comfortable and quiet. sha heat is on especially in the heartland. they would love to turn the ac down let alone off. it will be extremely warm today throughout the middle of the nation from texas up to minneapolis. check out how hot it will be in minneapolis. 99 degrees. a lot of the schools don't have ac up there. dangerous day up there for them. humid. 91 in chicago. chicago two hot days coming and you'll cool off by friday feeling like fall. northeast a chilly morning and beautiful afternoon looks great for the u.s. open, looks great for the redskins game. 76 in d.c. can't ask for much more as we approach the middle of

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kristol. all right. 25 past the hour now. time to take a look at the morning papers. new haven register 13 people including 12 children were injured at a festival in norwalk, connecticut when a swing ride lost power on sunday, sending a group of kids tumbling to the ground. the swing ride apparently lost power while the children were airborne in their swings. the ride continued spinning even as the breakdown occurred. thankfully all the injuries were nonlife threatening. the reason for the crash is under investigation. how scary is that. >> we were at the beach and the kids wanted to go on this ride. >> the swing ride. >> everybody goes on.

all the parents. >> you wouldn't do it. >> i wouldn't let kate get on. no way. i just don't. >> you didn't have a good feeling. >> we sat down there and read chaucor. i said it would be more interesting. ben jae house president of naacp will resign at the end of 2013. he wants to spend more time with his family and pursue teaching. upon taking over as president in 2008 jealous became the youngest person to ever lead the organization. he's credited with boosting the group's finances and fighting i.d. law. "new york times," owner of neiman marcus close to a deal to sell the company for $6 billion. neiman marcus currently operates 41 stores including bergman's

and maybe you can get a deal on some new pants. >> these are fine. halloween is coming in a couple of months. electronic cigarettes work as well as the patch. the story by the medical journey shows a benefit. it grows in popularity and remains unregulated. it is stopping is stopping smo. you don't get the tar and the other things. >> "l.a. times," tokyo beat out istanbul and madrid for the bid to host the 2020 olympics. >> he's very happy. >> don't show him doing that. it's disturbing. >> seriously? >> it's truly disturbing. >> like weird uncle ernie.

japan estimates the event will generate $30 billion in revenue and 150,000 jobs. this marks the second time japan will host the games. the first was in 1964. the international olympic committee announced wrestling will return. >> u.s. today,ed diana nyad, a few bloggers feel she had help from the boat following her. diana nyad's team said the only help she had was a fast current and she didn't promise to follow the english channel guidelines. >> didn't they have a camera on her the whole time. i remember when willie swam the english channel. back then we had beeta max. we record it.

you know those huge wheels -- >> you had it. i was carrying it. those little microphones. he swam the whole english channel. >> again thank you for doing the kayak across. >> you get ten feet from the end and he stopped and said screw this i'm going home. >> i'm out. i could do this. >> company do it but he got two feet. that's why you don't see this in the history books. >> that's right. >> willie geist, is this explosion, this expansion. they are like scuds sweeping across north georgia. all of america shoulder scared. >> i know you mean that in a good way. let's go the executive editor of politico with big news. jim, good morning. >> good morning. >> let me read the headline. tell me if it's true. politico to take on nyt, "new

york times" in own backyard. what do they mean? >> i don't mind the headline. we're starting a you publication. called capital new york. we'll test theories that worked well for us in washington and in new york we're going hit three topics in the beginning, policy and politics at city hall of albany and of media. in each one of those cases we'll have more reporters and editors than any other publication than the "new york times" included and do things the way we've done them here at politico and we've had quite a bit of success in washington. great opportunity for us to test it in new york where there's a huge audience. a lot of interest in the issues we care about. >> you'll be the president of this operation if i have that right. does that mean you're moving to new york >> i'm not. i'm going stay here in washington. my primary job is still politico. i'm president of this. helping to set it up. helping to build the staff. i want has editors in place.

we have some business folks here who are excellent moving to new york and help lead the business side of things. for us we care a lot about the future of journalism and have had success here. we want to test this in other markets. new york is an attractive market to test our brand of journalism to see if it can work. that's the great thing about media. everybody is trying to figure out what works. >> good luck. congratulations. hopefully that means a bunch of hiring by you guys in new york. let's get to one of your lead stories. president obama's last best hope on your side, talking about convincing congress to vote in favor of syrian action. what's his last best hope? >> they are never going to say this. last best hope is to convince democrats if they defeat him on the syria vote they are defeating his presidency, make it so much harder for him to have credibility at home and abroad. that's a private message they are delivering to a lot of democrats. nancy pelosi is delivering that to a lot of democrats.

they know this is an uphill fight in the house. they might be saying they can win this. they are not even close on the vote count. they will be lucky to get two or three dozen republicans. they will say listen the president needs. he needs your support. the presidency needs. i'm not sure that works. part of it goes to what you guys were talking about earlier in the show he doesn't have the relationship. more important this is really a vote about war, this isn't about hey i'm going to do you a good. this is about your constituents want to go to war, do you personally want to go to war. it will be a heck of a case for him to make to take somebody who is opposed to it right now and turn them into a yes vote. >> i heard this over the weekend from a few different people it makes it through the senate and not the house the president could still go and say i have the support of the upper house of congress. is that realistic. >> i have a hard time seeing that happen. i heard that over the weekend as

well. but that's a stretch. you can't say i'm going to congress but listen i only got half of congress's support and i won't bother take to it the house which is closest to the people to decide on a manner of war. i would be surprised if they just went to the senate and skipped the house. that's so risky. >> congratulations, again, politico planning on coming to new york city. a big sports weekend. yankees and sox, nfl sunday, college football, u.s. open final. only one man for this job, chris "mad dog" russo joins us next. here 's t

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>> for minnesota and naturally, adrian peterson, peterson on the first play for scrimmage. he goes the distance. >> kaepernick, end zone, touchdown. >> and is now here's reggie bush out of the backfield and reggie bush with a man to meet.

that is a touchdown, reggie bush! ? >> and it's a touchdown! >> see some speed in that play. reggie bush turning on the jets. >> we were told that. watch reggie bush. >> look at him go. >> he blew up the middle of defense. >> time for "morning joe" gridiron. >> hello there boys and girls. >> how are you doing? >> how about the 1:00 games? patriots down the field, have to kick their field goal. chicago you saw bears are down 21-10 come back to win. atlanta had a first-and-goal, last minute didn't score a touchdown. i mean you had the jets against tampa. they had the game last night where the giants have six turnovers. nfl football back and ready to go. >> let's start with that last

game. people who watch this show was in bed by the times over. giants handed the ball to the cowboys. >> six turnovers and had a lot of trouble with david wilson, the running back. eli's first pass to the game was picked off. dallas only got a field goal on his drive. the giants again were down 27-10. had a great passing attack. got back in this game. manning played very well. wilson fumbled twice. giants had the ball twice in the last minute-and-a-half of this game. with a chance to go ahead and take the lead and this last pass was the one that killed them ended up losing the game. six turnovers manning throws for 470, four touchdowns and they lose 36-31. crazy game down in dallas. >> robert gibbs, apparently because he picks and chooses his teams is a cowboys fan. how did you end up a cowboys fan? >> when i was young nobody in my area rooted for the atlanta

falcons and the first game i ever watched was the cowboys/broncos super bowl and i became a cowboys fan. demarcus wear is a graduate of our burn high school in auburn, alabama, a big shot out to him. >> growing up in the south, not so long ago you had the falcons, the saints and the cowboys. i mean seriously that's great football from savannah all the way out to like, you know, oklahoma. >> yep. >> a lot of people think dallas is the reinvention of the mid-'60s got a lot of it from the kennedy assassination. they were good in the '60s and those cowboys think there was a big pall. you got me talking about dallas. anyway. >> you lost me. >> it's not that easy to do.

>> let's go to the jets. they stoll one. >> they sure did. the jets were fortunate. they obviously made two plays. gino smith thought he was joe montana but makes a big pass play and makes a big scramble. he scrambles out of bounds. 15 yards. full kick. terrible loss for the buccaneers. but rex is all excited. huge win for the jets. gino, come off the top of the chair. you won one game. take it easy. come on. take it easy. >> i get to do my job for one more week. >> willie geist likes that.

>> good call. >> out of bounds quarterback they will make that call. atlanta had a chance to win against saints. >> what about colin kaepernick. >> after watching what they can do against the packers who are really good, he's unbelievable. >> here's clay matthews. clay matthews is the biggest phoney in professional sports. i've said that a thousand times. he killed the media last year. he was saying things about kaepernick. that was a cheap play. kaepernick played a tremendous game. how about bowden. he is catching touchdown passes all over the place. 200 yards receiving. he played very well. san francisco is at seattle that nbc has on sunday night. two maybe best teams in the nfc. they play early in the year. last year the niners got buried

in seattle late in the year. seahawks and niners. >> redskins and tennis today. novak djokovic and nadal at 5. >> what about serena. >> give her credit. windy. the weather was terrible. she blew the second set and had the wherewithal to hang in there. look how excited she was. azarenka played very well. this is her fifth u.s. open, 17th major. no great player that she's beating like in the old days. but, still, 17 grand slams. pretty impressive. this was two hours and 46 minutes. longest women's final since 1980. today will take forever, nadal and novak djokovic will play until 11:00 tonight. nadal in five. >> azarenka said serena williams is the best female player of all time.

what do you think about that? >> i wouldn't say that because she's not beating hall of famers. i think martina is the best player. serena's big serve and everything else. give her credit. she's 31 years of age. she will win four or five more. plus she plays great doubles. >> she's right up there. big sports weekend. >> huge. >> college football. >> yankees. >> rather not talk about that. >> the yankees are still hanging around. >> not out of it. >> unbelievable. >> chris. game of the century alabama and a&m on saturday. >> yes. >> i think alabama -- i think nick has something special for johnny. >> i think nick, seriously this date circled from the day after he lost. >> okay. >> chris, we love you. >> thank you. >> watch chris every weekday

afternoon sirius and in the spring he's hosting a new show week days 1:00. >> not bad. watch out. >> oh, my gosh. >> coming up -- here in new york city, mayor michael bloomberg criticizes his possible successor for running a quote racist campaign. we'll show you what he's talking about next.

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i was elected to end the wars, not start them. i spent the last 4 1/2 years doing everything i can to reduce our reliance on military power, but what i also know is that there are times where we have to make hard choices if we're going to stand up for the things we care about. >> all right. top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe," live look at the white house in washington, d.c. >> robert gibbs is in

washington. joining us from washington -- >> wouldn't you like to be somewhere else right now, willie geist? >> i defer to robert. >> it's just not an easy situation. we have the editor of "the weekly standard," bill kristol with us. all of you have been calling it a bad week. what's a good week. >> a good week is when you send out your secretary of state out the next day and undercut him the next. a good week is not when you decide you're going to change plans and you don't let the vice president in the room. that's a bad week. a bad week is when you have your own democratic base and the republican base all turned against you. a bad week is when you decide i'm so glad you asked this question that you're going to go congress and you announce that right before you go overseas for another week. so everybody in congress is operating in a void. and decide that there's no way they are going support this plan

and the president then in this bad week goes out and has a press conference this isn't about me. i just happen to be an innocent bystander. just walking past. this war started. you i got nothing to do with this. that's a bad week. anybody that says that's not a bad week is a political hack lining up for the president. that's a bad week. i say this as a guy that is supporting, actually supporting the idea of a possible syrian strike. that's a bad week. >> here we go. okay. so do you think it's bad to take it to congress and to let the american people be a part of this conversation? robert gibbs? >> no. i can respond to joe but i need seven or eight minutes. >> i know. >> be slow, he went to auburn. go ahead. >> look, i think what you saw in the president there was he was living in the moment where many people are and that's weary of war. that is the uphill battle that he brings to this. >> exactly.

>> think if he were to pretend the country wasn't war weary he would look completely out of touch. i don't doubt that this is an uphill battle. the "usa today" vote totals if those are right and stick in the house 218 no votes. what the white house has to take, some solace in is you still have a huge number of undecided members that are going to listen to the case and listen to the president speak and the president will get an opportunity to make his case, his best case again for why we should intervene and, again, i think one of the discussions that we have to have is not just what happens if we were to go in but what are the consequences for the country if we decide not to do something. >> that's really the question, what happens if we don't go in. what message is sent. i was reading as i do, willie

geist and i were, going through back issues of foreign affairs, smoking a cigarette and i was reading an article a couple of weeks ago about the turn in foreign affairs. time and time again they were talking about the problems that happen when presidents back down from red lines being drawn and the dangers of it and bill kristol, i remember reading "wall street journal" editorial probably in 2006, 2007 about how george w. bush would draw lines in the sand against iran and iran marched straight through them and the "wall street journal" was critical of bush then, obviously critical of obama now. but i want to quote something you say. in the real world voting against sbam a vote for assad and putin and for the regime in iran. the fact is obama is the only president we have, we can't abdicate our position in the

world for the next three years, bill kristol? >> right. that's why i support the resolution and i support the use of force against syria. would have been better to be involved two years ago, one year ago but better late than never. inadequate of force better than no use of force. i'm worried the administration has done such a bad job of making its case and this is someone who has helped them a little bit behind the scenes and doing my best to make the case. john kerry in london to reassure the british and europeans said, this is from the bbc tweet, i take it it's accurate, we're not talking about war. it would be very targeted, very short termed. then he said it would be an unbelievably small limited kind of effort. unbelievably. look -- >> it makes me shaking. >> unbelievably small. i'm shaking in my support.

identify been trying to make my case. what i hear is don't get involved in this messy civil war. the strategic case hasn't been made. the moral indignation which is real and should be real for the use of chemical weapons was three weeks ago. so that's kind of dissipated. now we have the secretary of state saying we went to congress it was so important to go to congress for unbelievably small limited strike. even i can see why reasonable people on the hill and i think it's unfair to characterize them all as isolationists, reasonable people on the hill can say is that better than nothing? >> i one completely. people on beaumont sides opposing this. and it is -- but, you've written that it's important. i did a litany of mistakes the white house has made not because it makes me happy but it's very bad if we let assad cross

another red lun. but at the very beginning we got leaks from the white house. this is going to be a small attack. then the next day we got the followup leak from the white house saying well the president is trying to figure out how much of an attack he can do without looking really weak. they wanted to be just big enough for the president's reputation. and now you have john kerry in london saying it's going to be an incredibly small attack. my god, somebody, mika, needs to get these people in a room and they need to get their story straight. >> as you talked about there's ramifications to not acting as well which will be interesting to hear tomorrow night when the president makes his case to the country. gambling with the presidency, it's important to recognize just how unprecedented a failed vote would be and how far the ripples might spread. it wouldn't just be a normal

political rebuke of president obama it would be an institutional rebuke of his presidency with unknowable consequences for the credibility of american foreign policy not only in syria but around the world. the global system really does depend on other nations confidence that the united states means what it says. this is not an argument that justifies vote are for a wicked or a reckless war and members of congress who see the syria intervention in that light must necessarily oppose it. but if they do, they should be prepared for the consequences. a damaged president, a potentially crippled foreign policy, and a long, hard, dangerous road to january 2017. >> iran will blow through every red line. they already have. they will only accelerate it. that's just a reality. >> that's possibly overstated. >> what's possible lui

overstated. >> this would cripple the president for the rest of his term. i don't rule it out. you alluded to the notion that you had behind-the-scenes contact with the administration. there should be a war room but there isn't where you sit side-by-side with the president's security team and representatives of aipac and nancy pelosi and eric cantor. is there a room somewhere? >> if there is i haven't been invited to it. if you talk to republicans on the hill they are frustrated they haven't been able to coordinate much with the president. democrats are frustrated too. it was august, he was away. we'll see what happens. coming back, full-court press. the media tends to overstate the impact of these television interviews, the speech to the nation, one on one meeting, appeal to save the presidency. i agree with you, mark, that appeal is made by bush on various issues in '06.

congressmen don't think that way. this is a media construct. the next three years are gone. presidents come back all the time and win votes a year later after suffering terrible defeasdefeas defeats. you do have public opinion overwhelmingly on one side and so i think it's a tough case. i don't think -- no vote would be disastrous, i think and i don't think it would happen. i don't think a yes vote will happen. harry reid and mitch mcconnell will get together tomorrow if they don't have the votes or the house is so bad it's not a point passing it in senate and come up with a substitute resolution that will be weaker, won't do much good, face saving, 45 days for the u.n. inspector to report and give assad more ultimatums. helping the rebels in syria more. you can imagine a face saving resolution to get 70 votes in the senate and less disastrous

than an actual no vote. i don't believe the leadership in the senate and house are going to let the members, are going push this to a vote when they can't support the president. that's something to watch for. i don't know how much that is behind-the-scenes. senator manchin and senator noonan talked about a resolution. mitch mcconnell has been incredibly quiet when he's quiet at the last minute he tries to pull a rabbit out of the hat to pave over differences. >> let's bring in chuck, chief white house correspondent, political correspond. let's talk about the media offensive and the congressional offensive, the president joined the vice president for dinner last night with some republican senators. he'll be doing those network interviews today, goes up to the hill tomorrow. addresses the nation tomorrow night. is there some new piece of information or new argument the president will bring to table because the american people have been listening feign look at the

polls they have been unconvinced. >> it's trying to clarify a little bit. you know you talk to the white house and they will say, you know, they say to me you're not going to hear anything new from the president. what they are hoping to do is that how they present it to the public feels new to the public. i think you're going to see two different ways that they make an appeal. i think the iran appeal behind-the-scenes with members of congress is potentially effective. the iran appeal is not as effective to the public. it's not going to be. question is, do you really do -- you know it's not to say he won't mention it but it's not as effective to the public. i think you'll hear more of that, it's the duty of america, this is the role america has to play. if you listen to what the president said on friday at that press conference you started to get the sense of how he was going to try to appeal to the public. it's the duty of america. we're stuck doing this. this is what this country

sometimes has to do even when it doesn't want to be in this position. that is what they, at the end of the day is their best public appeal. i think, though, iran, aipac, israel angle is going -- i know it is being played big time behind-the-scenes with members of congress because that, that could be effective with them. i think it's less effective with the public. >> the president has been working on many fronts appealing internationally on this. what more in the messaging does he need to fill in his message to the american people tomorrow night? >> chuck touched on part of it. you lead with iran to a war weary public, wait a minute if we're going to war with somebody else after this. you got mixed messaging you have to be careful. again, i think i would lay out the very somber case for what exactly happened in that east

damascus neighborhood, on that morning, that killed so many and so many children and then, again, i think as chuck and as the must read that you read put out in front of this is the duty and obligation of america as the leader of the world to respond to a dictator's use of weapons of mass destruction has to be met with some response. that's what the president will do. again it's an uphill battle. chuck is also right, american people have turned on this debate in the last say week and they may not be fully aware or fully understanding how we got this point, the use of weapons of mass destruction, sarin to kill children while they slept. and i think you have to almost reinsert the problem as we go into what the solution would be in this tactical strike. >> chuck, do you think that the president can say something new to the public to truly sway

sentiment in his favor? we talked about the congressional side but will we hear anything different? >> i do think it's sort of a sharing with the public the fact that this is an agonizing decision, because by doing that i think then can potentially reassure the public that the last person that wants this escalate and somehow become a slippery slope is him. the problem s-of course, that's still been to me the biggest road block here in convincing members of congress which is, okay, what does everything look like in damascus four days after the attacks started. what does all of this look like? how is it that so somehow the united states will stop and then this is going to end, there's not going to be a retaliation in any way sense, in any form? there's an assumption somehow assad will be a ration enamel actor here?

the problem is sometimes a dictator clinging to power doesn't act necessarily rationally. so i think that's ultimately been the problem here is no member of congress that is on the fence on this, and seems to believe that once you start this action that it's going to cleanly end. right? that there's going some sort of messy muddled middle ground. that said, every quote i've seen this morning from assad in that cbs interview, if you're the white house, you can't get those quotes out enough. he's sitting there trying to give advice to members of congress. that sets up an interesting little framework for the white house to appeal to members of congress today. do you want to be -- it's a black and white and a little bit offensive to people but do you want to be on assad side or our side. assad, what assad is doing today, i think, is going to help the president. >> he should have learned from osama bin laden who taped the

final week in 2004 didn't then secretary of state. why he's the secretary of state now. bill kristol, explain to conservatives why this war is important. you and i, we obviously agree on a lot of domestic policy, foreign policy. more limited, more from the colin powell camp. we can go through the wars because people look at us, two republicans, of course they are on the same side. but i know we were on different sides on bosnia, on kosovo, on the surge, on tripling the number of troops in afghanistan. in staying in iraq. i was against all of that. you were for all of that. but syria at least to me is a different case and it's a different case because syria and iran and the unique position that they hold in the middle east, can you explain to conservatives who believe in limited, a limited footprint overseas why this is so

critical, why this vote is so critical? >> i think this is a really big picture case is that you cannot let little dictator use weapons of mass destruction after we said we would react, retaliate against that use and then not retaliate. that's terrible for u.s. foreign policy period. in terms of the middle east there's a strategic case. syria is important. we've stayed out for two years. to my mind mistakenly and what's happened. it's gotten worse. 100,000 people are did. al qaeda stronger. assad is backed by iran. the worst people are going to control either pats of syria or one of them will control all of syria if we don't stay out. syria is important. it borders everything. it does become a roxy for iran and al qaeda is stronger because we've stayed out. middle east is a mess. intervening is difficult. but not intervening in this case continuing not to intervene especially after this happened is a path to disaster.

i'm for strong intervention. i don't think the president will be as strong as i would like. some intervention by a strong nation like the u.s. can do some good and see what happens later on. i don't quite agree with chuck, i don't think the president helps himself by reiterating how reluctant he is to do this and how war weary he is. i think people hear that think fine so why are we bothering. this isn't going be decisive. why begin to get involved. more presidents zeneed to look decisive and he needs to have more indignation on the use of these chemical weapons. a little bit of admission that maybe we should have done more the earlier. if he's going to go calmly go before nation i was elected to end wars, what does that mean? he was elected to carry out his constitutional duty as president of the united states. he wasn't elected to start wars

or end wars. that's self-defeating. >> all right. bill thanks a lot. >> bill kristol, thank you very much. >> chuck todd, we get to talk about miami. >> can i start doing a little s.e.c. trash talk. not looking too bad. >> i started this with my son on saturday i said joey i know you don't like to hear this, okay but virginia tech's defense stopped alabama's offense. clemson controlled georgia and miami beat florida. you know, two years ago the acc would have been blown occupant by 20, 30 points opinion something is happening. it's not clear. >> no. the recruiting class cut up. the top of the acc is catching up. now we have the bottom of the acc. we have little issues there.

the top is catching up. watch out. >> chuck todd, see you 9:00 a.m. on "the daily rundown." still ahead -- >> don't talk about johnny manziel. >> her prediction on the financial collapse earned her national recognition. five years later we'll ask her if she thinks the industry is more or less secure than before. meredith whitney joins us. also a preview of this fall's hottest broadway shows with jordan roth. and up next mike rogers. in support of a strike on syria. why does he call the white house's message is a confusing mess. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] these days, a small business can save by sharing.

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themselves what do wars give america. nothing. no political gain. no economy gain. no good reputation. the united states is at an all time low for credibility. so this war is against the interests of the united states. why? because this war is going to support al qaeda. >> will the attacks against american bases in the middle east if there's an air strike? >> should expect everything. you should expect everything. not necessarily to the government. it's not only the government not the only player in this region. we have different factions. we have different ideologies. so, you have to expect that. >> tell me by what you mean by

expect everything. >> every action. >> including chemical warfare? >> that depends if the rebels or the terrorists in this region or any other group have it, it could happen. i don't know. i'm not a fortune teller to tell you what's going to happen. syrian president bashar al assad says his government was not responsible for chemical attacks on august 21st. joining us now from capitol hill republican congressman mike rogers who is the chairman of the house intelligence committee. great to have you on this morning. >> great to have you on. >> thanks for having me. >> go blue. i know you only talk about football. >> thank you very much. 115,000 screaming fans. >> great game too. it really was. so let's get on -- >> unless you're a notre dame fan not a great game.

>> let's get on to syria here. and, you know, it's very interesting. if you look at the language coming out of the white house, and the white house spokesman, the state department, they will never say that the intelligence tells them that assad was responsible for the ordering of the attack. and they beat around the bush so much and use language that it certainly appears that it might have been actually one of his generals in his chain of control that actually did it on their own. do you think this is an issue that we should be talking about more, that may have been an out of control general? >> again, as you would know, those ever us on the national security committees have access to classified information and trying to make the classified portion available to members through the course of this week so they can see it. members who have been exposed to it are walking out both opposed

to doing anything or not still come to the same conclusion of chemical weapons were used and likely through the chain of command although by the way assad said something interesting, all of that is centrally controlled which is consistent with what i believe is the truth very closely held the units that handle it are closely tied to the presidential palace and their senior leadership. so some notion there's a rogue guy that decided to use chemical weapons i don't buy it. >> we don't have any intel that assad himself ordered, i'm not doing assad's bidding. i think this is important for americans to know. there's no intelligence out there that shows assad ordered the attack. >> i'll reject the premise of your question. that's like when the ship were firing missiles into libya at the president's request that that particular commander didn't hear from the president himself. no, he did not. but this notion that it is to be assad picking up the phone,

calling the guy saying launch the chemical attack this is not the first attack. the british think there's 14, we're somewhere around nine that we can conclusively at least in my mind say the assad regime used and they escalated over time. here's the other part. what would have been the tactical advantage for the rebels to use it. they were trying to deny the rebels a certain area and what's important about that is we've seen that before. we've seen them use chemical weapons to deny the rebels in one particular case a logistics hub where they were exchanging weapons and use ammunition. they used dhoems their advantage. when nothing happened in those cases it got worse. they escalated it. >> are you working hard to get -- i was talking to bill kristol. i've been a non-interventionist going back to bosnia, kosovo, tripling the number of troops in

afghanistan, but this seems to me to be quite a different matter. far more complicated. do you find that other conservatives that don't like to intervene like myself, do they understand that syria is different than bosnia, that's different than kosovo? >> not yet. here's the problem. the president has done an awful job a, on explaining foreign policy in general. you haven't seen him do any international foreign policy, national security type speeches of any magnitude in five years. so what happens is he comes this week really to start his case on why this is important for u.s. national security interests. well, listen, that would have been great two years ago on syria where we had better options but that didn't happen. so now he's making thunder time by not wanting to talk about it. it's frustrating for us.

this is as serious as it gets. if this is just about firing some missiles to punish assad and then that's it i think we make a serious mistake. if it's about trying to set the table for negotiated settlement so what is in our national security interest protecting those stockpiles so they don't go into the hand of al qaeda, they don't go into the hands of hezbollah an iranian proxy terrorist organization and they all want their hands on it that should terrify everybody. it terrifies me. what is in our national security, how do we do this in a way that i argue gets to a negotiated settlement. if we allow this to continue we won't get a negotiated settlement because united states has no credibility on the ground. >> is that something the president needs deal with tomorrow night. you've been very critical of poor relationships with congress and poor messaging on this. is there anything he can do at this stage of the game that passionately expresses what the point that he wants to get

across about why we need to act? >> well, i would love some passion on what he wants to accomplish here and why it's in our national security interest. you can't start out by saying what you're not going to do and you don't like to do it and it's hard to do that. we get that mr. president. we understand all of that. the national security business is a tough business to begin with. what we need is a path forward. hopefully he'll show america a little confidence and talk to them about why it's important in the united states, this can't be about barack obama and congress and the political intrigue. this is about our national security interest. he needs to lay the case out. this isn't just about we're angry he fired some missiles so we're going to fire, release chemicaling agents, we're going fire some missiles and that will show him. if that's what this is we're in a lot of trouble. that's not a foreign policy nor is that in the best interest of our national security. mr. president, lay out the case. it's an important case for the

future national security of this country. you're right on your decision, now show americans why you believe it's right. if he does that i think we'll get votes. >> chairman, it's willie geist. secretary of state john kerry was in london this morning at a press conference and he used the term unbelievably small describing the strike against syria so this would be unbelievable small. we heard terms limited, short term, targeted. nice to hear on paper but how can the american people be assured we won't be drawn into a larger conflict. what if assad acts against american interests how can it be unbelievably small. no way comparing this to afghanistan but nobody imagined that a dozen years later we would still thereabout. the american people are skeptical of limited wars. >> well, first of all, again, i don't think that -- i don't think describing the size or

effort of what our target sets are or what ship fires what missile is in our national security interest candidly. this is part of the problem. that's a very confusing message. certainly to me he would offer that as someone who bheefs this is in our national security interest. i don't understand what he means by that. if congress gave a huge vote and we said we're behind you mr. president you need to take action as you see fit to stop the pro-liliferation of chemica weapons. he should say we'll get a cease-fire, secure these chemical weapons or bad things are going to happen to you. end of story. if we don't set that table we don't get there. >> you need 218 votes what's the most number of republican votes in the house do you think you can round up for supporting the

president? >> well, again, i'm not rounding up the votes. i think this week is important because we've heard all the reasons why we shouldn't do it. president announced it on a saturday, left for a week. his staff fumbled around candidly for a week trying to put something together. a lot of pr about the great lobbying effort. this week we have to have a very serious conversation with members of congress in classified setting, unclassified settings about what is the consequence for not doing it. the people haven't heard that. i argue there's some very serious consequences. that will change the hearts and minds of people who get access to that information, have that level of dialogue. iran has chemical weapons. if we show iran it doesn't matter if you use them even after we said it does that's a problem. north korea has chemical weapons. if we tell north korea that if we tell you to use them it's bad we don't do anything, guess

what? that changes their decision-making. this is bigger than syria and it's a proxy war and of course our friends the russians are in the middle of it as well. >> congressman mike rogers. thank you very much. >> thanks guys. >> coming up, looking back on the financial crisis. have we learned anything in the past five years or are we ripe for a relapse? >> at least larry summers will be running -- >> we'll talk to one of the experts. saw it coming before it happened. >> hold on. >> we need women running the ship. [ male announcer ] when you have sinus pressure and pain,

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but i also know this, we can steer ourselves out of this crisis. because we are the united states of america. we're the country that's faced down war and depression, great challenges and great threats. and in each and every movement wife risen to meet these challenges not as democrats, not as republicans but as americans. >> 46 past the hour. that was then senator barack obama in 2008, laying out his rescue plan for the middle class and joining us now for a look at the u.s. economy now five years later after the financial collapse as u.s. banking editor for the "financial times" along with meredith whitney. she became well-known about the looming mortgage meltdown. meredith, we heard the president five years ago.

have we steered ourselves out? it's all fixed now, right? >> sadly, so not all fixed. you know, in many ways we're at polar opposites where we were five years ago thankfully. the big banks instead of rushing to get bigger are being forced to get smaller. credit has contracted and continue to contract for main street and that's a problem for main street america. so, i don't think things have gotten any better for main street. they got more stable for wall street. but still, i don't think the system is fixed. so much like a lot of programs, the government has really kicked the can for the financial industry and they are steering their way out of it. but there haven't been tough decisions made. bankers would argue with me we raise sod much capital. that's great. that was much needed capital. in terms of the tough measures that are going to be made going forward, bankers are, you know, i'm not always sympathetic to bankers, bankers are in a tough

situation because the regulatory environment is so prohibitive. we swung to the other direction. the rich got richer and the poor got in a more compromised way. >> tom, are there any positive preventative measures? do you agree with meredith? >> look. maybe the rich got richer. >> a lot richer. >> they are not enjoying themselves as much as they used to. banks have more capital. much safer. we're talking about concentration. is it right that jpmorgan chase is such a huge element of the u.s. economy. would it be better with smaller banks with more influence. >> they are not leveraged like they were. the whole issue of the catch phrase of too big to file are they still too big to fail. because they have so much money

on hand and they are not as leveraged and they don't have that same collapsing quality to them. i think that's the key difference for the positive. >> but they've gotten bigger in the financial crisis they consolidated. they haven't gotten bigger because they have grown. >> doesn't matter. they are still bigger and huge concentration of money in a handful of institutions. it's a fact of the balance sheet. >> absolutely. it's interesting because the large banks, their loan balances are contracting and the mid-size and smaller banks their loan balances are expanding. some in the high teens. you do see growth. big banks were so dependent and u.s. economy was so clearly dependent upon the capital market. wall street investment banking machine, the trading machine, and i think that's where it really stings for these guys because the capital markets have slowed down and showing now to we make money on basic banking and struggling to do so. you get them now into very

stringent cost cuts. >> we have robert gibbs with us. robert, jump in. >> i was going to ask, what do people believe -- what are the set of policy prescriptions we should understake five years later to correct what we haven't >> there is a law on the table to jack up capital levels quite more and a lot of voices want to do that and you could break them up and decide you want citigroup and bank of america split up. i think we are still in the healing phase and it's not too bad if we leave it another couple of years. the system is not dangerous. let's wait and see and decide whether we need to act further. >> i would agree and add on one thing. right now is seems like the legula tori agencies are

fighting to see who is the biggest and strongest and most proactive. you need a clear message. the big banks can get smaller, but you have to allow the mid-size and small banks to get bigger and equalize the balance. that's not what's happening. you see the environment within the banking industry at a historically low level. that's not helpful for the system. >> the regulations are a huge issue. i don't know enough about them to speak to it, but you touched on something i think is key. the people on the low end, they are not getting looked at. the people with good credit are getting it, but it's tougher. if the big swath of people with good credit have the ability to pay who are not getting it who should get it, the people who were getting solicited before, people who pay and deserve a chance to grow their businesses are not getting that opportunity and you need to find a way to

get that. >> that's an excellent point. 2/3 of job creation were small businesses. they were funding themselves with credit card lines and home ekitiy lines that were not available to them. they were not getting where it needs to get to and that has to be filled. >> meredith whitney, thank you so much and great to have you back on the show. our week long look at where things stand five years since the collapse of the financial industry. oh, my god. money party will be back on the air. remember the money party we used to have on the set? our old friend dylan ratigan will be back on the set. sheila bair joins us. theater owner jordan ross joins us to tell us which ones we

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good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. take a live look at new york city. back with us on set is dr. judge ofry sacks and robert gibbs in washington. this morning the secretary of state, john kerry, is making the case for use of force in syria speaking in london. secretary kerry addressed widespread push back in the global community. >> there were a group of people assembled as is their right. people should assemble. i heard them saying keep your hands off syria. i think it would be good to hear people saying to a dictator, keep your hands off chemical weapons that kill youre own people. protect our i don't know people.

it's important for us to stand up as nations for stability. >> back at home, president obama is bringing in heavy political artillery to convince a country and congress and including inviting hillary clinton to speak and support of the syria resolution at the white house. the president will do interviews with all the major networks and will make a rare address to the country on tuesday night. he is also making the case on a personal level. >> can i say something? is he going to go in front of congress? >> at the white house. >> the speech is at the white house. >> the speech is at the white house. they have been talking about him going in front of congress. >> to go to kong? >> he is going to the hill to talk to republicans. the speech itself. >> don't make me explain this to you. it's arrived.

>> the first time seeing up close. >> touch it. >> he wants you to say it's very clingy. >> i'm not touching it. >> oar it's for display only. >> hillary clinton lost the 2008 democratic primary for support of a war for the most part and really, really bad planning on her campaign team. i'm surprised she will get out and be in support of a war that 80% of americans oppose. certainly i would guess 90% of the democratic base. >> americans rightly oppose it. this is a huge mistake. i don't think she can avoid it. she has been part of this mistake. >> how is that? >> i year ago, april 1, 2012 when she said assad must go at that point. we already got into the civil war. we started helping with other

countries to fund this rebel yon. >> how did we do that? we hear from john mccain and others we haven't even begun to support the syrian resistance. >> that's not the case. there has been a group called the friends of syria group which has met several times, the firestone minsters. they have given active support. the united states support is not what mccain would like. he wants a bigger war. we have gotten into this. >> hillary is a part of that process? >> of course she was. this is why this escalated. the american people are waking up to the fact that we are in that war too? that's the biggest problem. we are in that war. it was a huge mistake to get into it. they thought it would be a quick deal and assad would go. what happened is we have fund a growing massive killing field basically on both sides.

not just the u.s. side, but not because assad is killing his own people, but because we are supporting a rebel yon with gulf countries. >> robert gibbs, has this been going on for over a year? >> that's the most curious round up of what happened in syria that i heard in two years that somehow -- did you say we are responsible for 100,000 syrians that are dead? >> i didn't say that. >> you did. >> robert, listen to what i said. i said we have respected a scope of rebel yon that led to killings on both sides. we have built -- >> i missed the transition where you didn't blame the united states for the actions of al assad who killed these people including using chemical weapons and killed 500 kids while they slept. >> why did we get into somebody else's war.

undeclared without the united states and people not knowing about it and against international law? >> i guess i'm hung up on the fact that the united states killed 100,000 people in syria. >> i did not say that. let me say it again. >> maybe the third time will be the charm. >> then i will say it again, robert. together with gulf countries, the u.s. has been supporting a military rebel yon in syria for a year and a half. together with those countries has been funding logistic, salaries and arms flows that have led to a massive escalation of violence. this is not simply assad killing his people. thises a war that the u.s. has been supporting because we thought we could knockout assad in another u.s.-led regime change and it didn't work. >> sir, look. everyone is entitled to their own opinion on syria. i think your history of this is convoluted at best. the notion that we played some

huge that al assad has kill and now gassed his own people. we should set this aside. >> did hillary clinton -- >> we will continue this. certainly the point we will take is regarding hillary. she has been a part of this for sometime. i'm sure after this show and even right now, people are probably doing their research. we will see all of this on the internet by the time this show is over. let's move on. the president, we will have a heated debate. we will have a heated debate in the halls of congress and across washington, d.c. the president has to scramble for votes. here's the congress thing. i said on friday this is a tough decision despite the tact that i have been against intervention in every war over the past 20 years. i have yet to find one person,

one normal person outside the media. >> what does that mean some. >> outside of politics that doesn't make money talking or voting on something like this. i have yet to find one person outside media or politics that supports syria. i have purposefully gone out of my way to get people on all ends of the spectrum and all ends of the financial spectrum. i am randomly asking cabdrivers and randomly asking people in diners. what do you think about syria? not one person has come close to saying -- no. we shouldn't go there. >> i have the same experience. that's where the case needs to be. president obama phoned members of congress and has to make the case to the country as well. he dropped in on a dinner. the vice president was hosting with top republican senators on

sunday night. even those who back a show of force said his strategy has been underwhelming at best. >> so they don't have strong relationships in congress today? that's a huge problem for them. candidly have done an awful job explaining to the american people what is in our national security. what is the national united states interests in any level of engagement in a place like syria. it is a confusing mess up to this point and that has been their biggest challenge on what is an important issue. >> it will be very difficult to get votes. it goes back to not just the issue, but you can't begin to build a relationship with congress on something like this. a week and a half ago, my office reached out to the white house and said we will help you round up support if you need it. i haven't heard back from the white house yet. >> on your point and something that the congressman said right

there, people that you talked to, they are horrified by what happened. 1500 people died and 500 children in their beds. that is horrifying. what they are not convinced of is there is an american national interest at stake and b, there is such as thing as a clean war. the experience of the last dozen years or so taught everybody from congress people to people on tv and people that you meet in those diner, there is no such thing as lobbying. >> it's a great point last week and something i have been thinking about because he knows i'm wavering right now. please name the big winnable war we fought since world war ii. what do you think about korea or vietnam or the first gulf war or the second gulf war or afghanistan. there no clean wars. especially in the middle east. >> the american people won't take that at face value. trust me on this one. the president said we can go in

and get out. what if assad retaliates against israel? we will have to be involved in some way. >> they hope they will respond. they won't respond, but israel struck them twice. i only bring this up because you hear a lot of syria is intact and iran is intact. listen, oppose the war for a lot of good reasons, not because israel will be hit by syria or iran. israel is hoping to be hit by syria or iran and they will go in and absolutely demolish them. there is a real concern. obviously about destabilization across the mideast and politically every single republican senator that is supporting this has a challenger now that is going to make a play, including and i love this, liz cheney.

liz cheney. it's almost like when he found out that he was in the pumpkin patch waiting. >> no question that public spn not just guiding for what they think they should do. member who is have tough races are all saying that. you have a president who has to do a heavy lift. he played over the weekend to try to get support for members of congress. that means there is a lot to be done in terms of making the case. most in congress are undecided. despite days behind closed doors. lawmakers viewed new graphic videos. victims are said to be exposed

to sound. top officials like susan rice and dennis are pressing the issue with the congressional black caucus and hispanic caucus. the members are typical low on the president's side. a "usa today" survey concluded congressional democrats are as likely to oppose than support it. not a single member of congress has publicly backed a military strike. among them, a dozen states that the president carried both in the 2008 and 2012 elections. the issue could prove to be toxic in the mid-term elections. four senior republican senators face primary challenges and nearly every challenger has come out against using military force in syria, trying to make it a wedge issue. all of the incumbents except south carolina senator lindsay graham are undecideded on whether to use force. this has become a big political issue on a number of levels.

>> it's interesting to remember as we talk about the polls and everybody against, i remember seeinging a "los angeles times" poll. early 2007 i guess it was. 75% of americans were against the search. 75% of americans and the congress didn't want to support the surge. they went ahead and supported the surge. i think most people said that worked out. i'm sure the president will be arguing that. it is a tough slot for the white house. >> how is he going to get the vote? >> he's going to have to get the passage on the senate. the two things happened. one is it might put pressure on the house to pass it. the other is he may pocket the senate victory and say we don't need the vote in the house. that's the most likely. >> when you pointed out that israel wants us to go and it's about iran, this is really very

important to understand. this is a proxy war and about syria. all international diplomats behind the scenes said this has nothing to do with syria. this is why the american people are more right to oppose this. on this question of how far we have gone, let me read from april 1, will 2012. we think assad must go hillary clinton said after attending the one-day friends of syria conference. representatives of more than 60 countries attending pledged assistance to the army. the main opposition group in an effort to encourage defectives, clinton said the united states agreed to pledge an additional $12 million for a total of $25 in il yon in aid and promote communications to help the syrian-free army organize. we have been supporting a military. it has been escalating on both sides. we have been building a war in

syria. the american people have not known about it until now. this is the history of the background for this. american people do not want to be at war in sir yachlt. >> coming up, a preview of the fall's hottest shows. jordan roth will join us. what's missing from the pitch to congress on the syria strike plan? is we are joined by republican congressman adam kinsinger and casey hunt. first we have a check on the forecast, bill? >> good morning. about 20 miles from san francisco a fire started and it spread quickly in dry terrain. this is the morgan fire. a brand-new one. spread to about 1,000 acres and up the eastern side of the el diablo mountain. this continues to burn and a couple of structures threatened. we will need to watch throughout

the week. just outside of clayton. as far as the forecast goes, summer grips in the middle of the country. one the hottest days we have seen on september 9th. record heat in minneapolis and des moines. it's 100 degrees in minneapolis. not all the schools have air conditioning. a difficult day. st. louis will be very hot. perfect weather in new england and you will get hotter on wednesday. the southeast is warm and as far as the storminess goes, phoenix denver. not bad. you are watching "morning joe."

>> here in iran there was a chemical attack. they just tried to blame it on people who have no scientific capacity to do this and where there is no evidence that they have any of the weaponry to be able to do it and most importantly as a matter of logic, me how they would do it from the center of the regime-controlled area and approximate uh it into their own people. it defies logic. the question for all of us is, what are we going to do about it? turn our back and have a moment

of silence for a dictator to have impunity and threaten the rest of the world that he is going to retaliate because he is being held accountable? >> he presented his confidence and evidence. it's controlled and that reminds me about what they said. it's like before going forward. actual low he gets evidence and in in case he doesn't present any evidence. he didn't present anything. nothing of force. >> there a number of levels and arguments. so many are so undecided or

against the strike. joining us on set, republican congressman from illinois and member of the house foreign affairs committee. adam kinsinger and political reporter casey hunt following the vote. >> america for decades put down a red line on the us of kemal weapons. with saddam hussein, george hw bush had the threat and including nuclear weapons. we find out later that that's exact low why they did not use chemical weapons. over iraq for 12 years, bipart an administration, we have more chemical weapons. we held that the world war one never faced them on the battlefield. it is an american thing to say

chemical weapons used against his own people and they have noplace in the world and the cost of using them will have no gain. >> is it unequivocal to you? you will hear a lot from constituents. the president failed to make his case. over the next 48 hours he may do that, but he failed to. >> the numbers do not look good. the congressman is in a lonely -- especially on the house side. our count shows only 24 members of the house said they will support this and 106 have said they oppose it. we are not sure. in the senate, conventional wisdom said the president has the senate in the bag. i say that may not be the case. only 20 supporters and 64 are undecided. he drops by dinner last night at

the vice president's house with several gop colleagues and he has trouble with democrats. harry reid is voting with the basis and not going to try to tell them how to vote when push comes to shove. there several democrats who said we can't do that. he's a republican and he does not come on out on that. >> what you just laid out, the president in a strange position and opens the door for unique possibilities. does it not? >> the only way to set a path with the joint operations within the vote, harry reid and mitch mcconnell working together may be changing the language somewhat. the congressman and nancy pelosi side by side trying to get the votes. we have seen operations like this on some issues. not very often. >> so, adam, what do you think

has been made. what would you say if you were concerned about this and if you were dropping the american people. >> we have a red line on this. the had the's red line and people are asking what admission has been used for the chemical weapons and then so eloquently was on the news talking about how amazing of a guy he was. he's a terrible man. somebody like this understands with the use of chemical weapons. it will result in a lot of infrastructure going bye-bye. i know the president is going to fail. last week he should have delayed going to the g20 and addressed the american people from the oval office and should have put kerry out to do what he did and been aggressive about selling the american people on this and

instead made the comment and should have called back immediately. he went and golfed later that day. it is still a message to the american people that he is not intensely focused on this. >> he does understand we are war-weary and we mocked thousands and thousands of americans that have gone way too long. it's important that he has a full understanding of that case. how do you -- how do you see this going forward if we do strike. how do you make shouldure? >> i'm not a pent gon planner. you can take out assad runways and take out stuff thatty hoo didn't want to lose. when you do that, he feels the pain of all this. now we will end up on all of this.

i'm not happy with how the president handled it. i understand we are war-weary, but history books are going to say this is a defining moment in world history. did americans do the right thing? if we are not doing it, nobody else is. they can redefine that. >> they will say okay, here we are. >> david hail in rockford, illinois. >> what does he want? are he was going to run against you because of your position here. a lot of members say how can i vote against my district? my district is 90-10 at least against the regimen. your district is the same way. what do you say to members? >>. >> the people riding the district are opposed to it. 30 to 40% of the american people say okay. you used chemical weapons and it

goes up to 50%. the people in the district office of more positionate about it, but as a member of congress, i was elected to lead and do whey think is the right thing. this is to be virtual congress men. the right thing to do in a republic is to say people hire me and elected me to do what i think is right for the future of my country. >> there is a lot of criticism for the president and i argued from about -- it's not like the members of congress have been doing everything. have they not in terms of being able to make a fair decision on this in terms of republicans? >> i have been hearing that what they have heard in the media makes them less convinced. they feel like the administration can't answer questions. particularly after a strike. how do we avoid the mission?

who are we helping. who benefits from the striking? for a lot of these members it's an existential political question. a i group of democrats asked to meet with the president personally. they are putting their jobs on the line and he is asking them to take a vote that could risk their seats. you hear from him personally where it's worth it to do that. >> congressman adam kinsinger and casey hunt, thank you as well. jordan ross will join us from broadway. jordan, good to see you. later, gossip addicts beware. "people" magazine is changing. for what? we will explain, ahead in business before the bell. weekdays are for rising to the challenge.

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>> has she really some. >> the daily dance report. the magazine's editor in chief saw her controversial performance to the mtv video music awards and plans to promote her as a fashion icon. they had her for the december cover. i need to position. >> what is that all about? the hannah montana star making the reports that she was for harper's bazaar. >> just like her music did, i really, really respect something like that. in the theater, jordan roth.

>> it's great to have you back on the map. >> a couple of sides to love and murder. >> we are not sitting around. we have a lot going on. >> very smart, very funny. her mother decided she was disowned from her noble family. he is ninth in line to be the earl. what's he going to do? kill all eight of them played boy the same actor. the last time he was on brought way playing multiple characters and won a tony award. the trail? >> this begins a string of classic plays. >> what are about now? >> daniel craig married in real life, playing a couple whose

relationship disintegrates as she has an affair. it starts at the end of their marriage and unfolds. the last time they directed a real life as a fictional married couple was, anyone? bueller? >> mr. and mrs. smith some. that is a hot thing today. >> what's the hot day? >> romeo and yule yet wrote the lask and another tragic romance. bloom stars as romeo. this is going to be a break out broadway star. two plays in the last two years nominated for both and comes by

it rightly. this passed the war between them as a racial divide. >> and then we have a time to kill? >> this is john grish am on broadway. several other debuts at 80 years old. on the judge's bench with fred thompson. making his broadway debut. it's gripping drama. >> gosh. the great kerry jones making his broadway debut. this is theater goers. that really is. >> financial low for broadway, up or down? >> it has been an up year

financially. it's a bit of a reset in summer and making way for fall. we are past this summer. >> financially the mormons. it's a really good thing. >> it is. they came out of the spring, the musical course. musicals from the spring that will be hits running into this spring. in brought way in rocky. >> that will be interesting. >> over broadway, they used the existing period.

also disney is bringing the music of a lad in. >> long overdo you. >> exactly. >> you will be going back. >> it's for the spring. . >> all these years later, how is spider man doing? >> there have been challenges there, but they are making money. we will see how long that goes. it's very diplomatic. >> okay. thank you so much. it's always great to see you. we will see you on broadway. >> oh, god. >> up next, remember the

infamous 47%? they may be getting a little smaller. later, hanging with the stars of the u.s. open. it's going to take us when "morning joe" continues. we'll be right back.

>> with just one day to go until the mayoral primary --

>> going to the surge. >> i new poll out moments ago, the poll shows public advocate among democrats 39% for bill deblasio. he must get 40% of the vote tomorrow to avoid a run off. a big surge in the race, scott string stringer scoring 50% in the latest poll. >> i understand the policy very well. usually everybody helps across new york and will get postcards. not so with the comptroller strike. you have the union members split up in the may are on's race, but looks like right now they are

very -- >> with the public poll. they are a lot closer. >> how bad is the turn outgoing to be? >> it's an active group of mayoral primaries. my guess is they will be decent. nice weather. >> now time for business before the bell. we will go to brian. >> just like the old days. >> that famous 47% comment by mitt romney through the election campaign. maybe it's a little bit of a revision. now they will find a share of households that has fall tone 43%. the tax cuts because of the recovery of the economy, they believed that by 2024, it would drop to about a 30. this is confusing.

>> they pretended to pay taxes. he referenced the 47% not paying taxes. that is now 43%. there more people paying taxes. my response? $7 billion and debate over why they are dog something like this. well, they want to get into the handset business. they have software and they and skype and they have a search and the question is maybe they should break themselves. >> he is leaving? >> too much demand. they are trying to be apple and google. >> what about "people" magazine? >> "people" magazine, they charge $112 a year. >> i didn't know that. >> i just read that. usually you get the digital and

the prints. you have to pay an extra $20 for that. >> throw3.5 million subscribers. it's a cash cow. >> for extra material. if you want to know what miley cyrus is thinking, or maybe people can say. >> up next, serena williams. >> there a lot of people who want to know. >> "people" magazine. making some dough. that's your sister magazine. >> the publication. the national leader. national brand. >> they have good, uplifting stories. >> serena williams breaks another record at the u.s. open. we will start there. >> we'll be right back with "morning joe" and playing with the tennis ball. ♪ turn around

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