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>> they are starving public education in this country one big city at a time. and blaming it on the workers. that's what's happening. that's another reason why we shouldn't hit syria. we got a spending priority problem. state representative brian sims, great to have you with us tonight. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. >> thank you, ed. >> you bet. >> and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, breaking news. george zimmerman will not be charged after alleged domestic incident today according to orlando sentinel the. zimmerman's wife is declining to press charges. george zimmerman questioned by police. his wife shelly who just filed for divorce accuses george of threatening her and her father with a gun. at this hour, police are still on the scene at the home of shelly's father in lake mary, florida. here's what we know. earlier today there was an
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altercation. both sides say the other was the aggre aggressor. during the altercation, george's wife shelly made a frantic 911 call. >> he's in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying step closer. he's threatening all of us with the firearm. and he's going to shoot us. >> okay. >> he punched my dad in the nose. my dad has a mark on his face. i saw his glasses were on the floor. he had accosted my father and then took my ipad out of my hands and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife. and there's a lake mary city worker across the street that i believe saw almost all of it. i don't know what he's capable of. i'm really, really scared. dad, get behind the car or something. i don't know if he's going to start shooting at us or not. >> lake mary police have taken
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george zimmerman's gun while they consider whether to make an arrest. joining me now msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom, florida defense attorney kevin padowitz, defense attorney john burrs. lisa, tell me your reaction to this today. >> well, it certainly confirms what many of us thought about george zimmerman all along. that he's impulsive, hot headed and threatens and goes after people when he shouldn't. so much of this is reminiscent of the trayvon martin case. hand on the gun, even a punch to the nose. a bunch to george zimmerman's nose in the trayvon martin case was so central. ultimately this is a domestic violence call. even though shellie zimmerman does not want to press charges, they may anyway since there's a witness as she says there is. this may just be the beginning.
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>> marcia clark, the fact that he according to what his wife says on the 911 tape says he's threatening with the gun, he keeps putting his hand on the gun. what do you get souout of that? >> that's threatening conduct. potential assault with a deadly weapon. if the words and other actions accompany it to show he has the intent to inflict serious bodily injury or use the firearm, then that's an assault. you don't have to touch someone to be guilty of assault with a deadly weapon. it doesn't sound it went that far. i can't tell exactly. and the fact she doesn't want to press charges is not helpful to the case. but lisa's right. we don't especially in los angeles, we don't allow the victims to decide they're not going to press charges. it's an affront and a violation of the rules that govern the people of the state of california. so we can go forward with the case regardless of whether she's in favor of it.
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they sma still do that. >> let me repeat. we are discussing george zimmerman at a -- what is apparently a domestic incident at the home of his father-in-law that involved a gun and police are weighing whether to make an arrest. let me go to you, ken padowitz. you know florida law very well. you went with us throughout the case of george zimmerman. in terms of florida law, what is going on here when they say that they took his gun, we understand, and they're waiting to see whether or not there's going to be an arrest. >> well, i'm experiencing a sense of deja vu, reverend. basically we have the police in florida once again taking possession of george zimmerman and then releasing him. here there's different circumstances, but a gun allegedly is involved in this situation as well. under florida law, it is not up to the victim. marcia clark is right. it is not up to the victim
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contrary to the what police of -- chief of police said there in florida. it's not up to the victim whether or not to press charges. it's up to the state attorney. so the state attorney's office is going to have to review this to see is there nothing here, nothing criminal. or is there a misdemeanor battery against his father-in-law or is there an aggravated assault with a firearm which is a felony. but it's up to the state attorney whether or not laws were broken here and whether or not to file charges. of course the victim and what they have to say is important in the case, but they are not the sole determining factor as to whether or not charges are pressed here. so there well may be something happening in the future in this case. >> well, john, whether the victim presses charges or not according to ken they don't have to, but if you listen to the 911 tape, she says he punched my father. he keeps going to or touching the gun.
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i don't know whether he's going to shoot us or not. i mean, legally what does this expose zimmerman to, john? >> certainly the tape itself and the way it's described certainly there's a battery involved, no question in terms of the assault and battery on her father. and of course the use of the gun and the manner in which it is used, you could have potentially an assault here. but i think what you have here is a person truly out of control here and his gun should not be given back to him under the circumstances while this matter is pending. charges i think will get filed against him if nothing else for the father. the wife's frantic call is very serious. it's not atypical for the wife not to want to press charnls. but it's also typical for the d.a. to want to go forward with some charges particularly in a situation where a gun is involved. >> lisa, shellie zimmerman who announced divorce last week said in an interview just days ago
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this about her husband george zimmerman. listen to this. >> in my opinion he feels more invincible. i just think he's making some reckless decisions. i have been married to a person for almost seven years, and i don't think i ever really knew him at all. >> he feels invincible. whap does that say to you, lisa in light of these developments today? >> it's disturbing stuff. she is the person that has been closest to zimmerman for the last six or seven years. she also revealed recently that the two of them had had a fight on the night trayvon martin was killed before george zimmerman went out in his suv. that could tell us something about his mental state. the problem with shellie zimmerman, though, is she's also an admitted perjurer.
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there's big problems on both sides. look at what zimmerman has done recently. two speeding kikts, going to the same gun manufacturer of the gun he used to kill trayvon martin and then taking a picture and posting it online. really insensitive kind of behavior to put hit mildly. and invincible is probably the right word he feels. >> marcia, do you feel the fact as stated by lisa that there's problems of credibility on both sides? the fact that there's this tape where she's actually at least it seems like she's addressing her father. does that give the prosecutors reason to say we have to step forward and look very seriously about an arrest here? >> well, they have to look very seriously about an arrest here because the 911 call as john said describes very serious conduct. if it's true, that the father was attacked by him. punch z in the nose.
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and the father was in enough distress to be worried about having a heart attack. he's telling her step closer, step closer with his hand on the gun which is threatening conduct. the d.a. has to look into that. it's assault with a develop, a potential felony as well as a misdemeanor on the father-in-law. i really do -- there's no question they have to look into it. his state of mind as far as perjury problems on both sides, sure. her problem with it -- shellie zimmerman's problem is she is a convicted perjurer. it was to support his bid for bail when she was hiding the fact they had money that had gone in. that might weigh in favor of her credibility now. she's an extremist under duress. that may not hurt her as much as you might think. he, on the other hand, has quite a few credibility problems. >> let me say this.
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lisa mentioned they had a fight the night he had left and shot and killed trayvon martin. that didn't go into trial. neither did the fact that he had had cases of resisting arrest and battery before. but let me also hasten to add as we cover this story as others are, i said to my radio show audience today. we should not gloat or play the gu game of i told you so. this is egregious. this is not something to play i told you so. these are serious matters and we want him to have the same weight of having his rights under that we fought for trayvon martin. in no way are we saying i told you so. we're saying these things are serious and should be dealt with fairly and seriously. thanks to the panel. we'll have more with you on our coverage of the story as it
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continues. one note. george zimmerman has sued nbc universal for defamation. the company strongly denies the allegation. coming up, much more on the breaking news. george zimmerman accused by his wife of threatening her with a gun. why his lawyer is also raising eyebrows today. we'll get to that. plus president obama's case to the american people. brand new comments to nbc news about his push for action on syria. and with fashion week underway here in new york, troubling new questions about the lack of diversity in the fashion industry. i'll talk about it with legendary fashion icon andre tally. and live from the apollo for advancing the dream. e-mail what you want to know. friend or foe i want to know. reply al is ahead.
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there are questions from both sides of the aisle, republican and democrat, and from all political spectrums. but at the same time we're seeing outright hypocrisy from many republicans that will oppose anything this president is for including syria. despite the fact they may have supported the exact opposite military strategy and kinds of engagements in the past. but what is happening now is that some are getting ugly. and when you have the debate as even i've raised the question, that's one thing. but when you start getting ugly like the head of the republican party rush limbaugh did today, then it goes beyond the boundaries of a discussion about national security or about saving human lives in syria.
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listen to mr. limbaugh and how he dealt with this debate. >> when it comes to syria, have you ever heard about obama talk about regime change as an objective? you have not. and they're reinforcing that today. no. in fact, you know? this operation of shock and awe, we're looking at shock and jive here. i i'm. >> operation shuck and jive. the inferences, the implication, the outright subtlety of what he's saying which is not so subtle to me. the dog whistling around something as serious as a military engagement. this should be what americans should not tolerate. when we're talking about lives of our military as well as human life in syria.
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joining me now is joan walsh. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> operation shuck and jive? >> he's a racist. he's always looking for a new low with this new president and he hit one today. i'm more concerned, actually, republicans who would normally support this intervention but who will not come out in support of this president. i mean, mitch mcconnell, today he and john cornyn are not with this vote. the president is on its own -- >> when you say not with this vote -- >> they're not going to try to twist arms and, you know, try to get republicans to vote in favor of this intervention. which i'm a skeptic of, but to see people, senator rand paul i don't agree with him on much, but he is a genuine critic. he is consistent. just amash on the house side.
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>> you say consistent, look at people, gop senator ted cruz. >> oh, yeah. >> or rubio. look at the 180 degree turn they've taken. let me show you this. >> the fall of assad would be a significant blow to iran's ambitions. on those grounds alone, we should be seeking to help the part-time -- people of syria to bring him down. this is the only way to respond in syria is just not true. >> we need to be developing right now a clear, practical plan to go in, locate the weapons, secure or destroy them, and then get out i don't think that's the job of our military to be defending amorphous international norms. >> obviously these guys don't even listen to what they've said themselves. >> they were before they were against it. the reason the tea party is against it is because these
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president are far it. these two men would be supporting this if it were another president. i have no doubt of that. they're looking at 2016 and at the base. again, there is real skepticism in the base. but then there's also just -- >> with their skepticism on a lot of bases here. but when you are opposing the exact language that you use. and not only them. when you look at the fact that 84 republicans have been in office since october 2002. 83 of them voted to invade iraq, but just 10 of them are supporting striking a limited military action in syria. just ten. >> and ted cruz, his specific language, you could close your eyes and think that's the president describing what he wants to do. there's so much overlap in terms of it being a strike at tehe weapons capacity.
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it's deep and disturbing. and on the other side it's forcing a lot of democrats having their arms twisted. the president showed up at the congressional black caucus today that was supposed to just be susan rice. barbara lee has what i think is a great diplomatic proposal. they're going to catch all kinds of trouble because republicans won't do what they would normally believe. >> the bush crowd should be the last ones weighing in. but listen to karl rove. listen to this. >> the president probably should have been better and taken action. we now have the syrians with god knows how many days or weeks if the united states does take action to disperse all of these units, to protect themselves as much as possible. build human shields. this is an unmitigated disaster. it's amateur hour at the white house. >> amateur hour. i'm going to leave it there.
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axiron. he's in his car and continually has his hand on his gun saying step closer. threatening all of us. >> step closer? >> and he's going to shoot us. >> okay. >> he punched my dad in the nose. my dad has a mark on his face. i saw his glasses were on the floor. he had accosted my father and then took my ipad out of my hand and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife. and there's a lake mary city worker across the street that i believe saw almost all of it. i don't know what he's capable of of. i'm really, really scared. dad, get behind the car or something. i don't know if he's going to start shooting or not. >> that's the voice of shellie
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zimmerman in a 911 call she made today. where she reports her husband george zimmerman was threatening, had assaulted her father, was continuing to his his hand on the gun. she appears to be talking to her father saying get behind the car i don't know if he's going to shoot us or not. joining me now is former prosecutor faith jenkins and back with us lisa bloom, marcia clark, and john burris. faith, how do you respond to hearing this tape? i mean, whatever -- i know the police are still at the house. we don't know whether there's going to ultimately be an arrest, but to hear that tape, how do you respond as a prosecutor? >> very serious allegations made in that tape. and they're going to see if they can corroborate any of what
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she's saying. did he punch her dad in the nose? they're going to look at his face. and what you see is a troubling pattern starting to emerge since george zimmerman was acquitted in the trail gins trayvon martin. here's a person that says he has a target on his back yet he is repeatedly making himself so accessible, people know where he is every two weeks. first he turned up as a hero rescuing a family whose car had overturned. the next couple times he's speeding. now this. >> john burris, let's go through that. he was acquitted on july 13th. that was the verdict. then on the 28th of july he was pulled over for speeding in texas. then 22nd of august, he takes a photo with the gun company owner. then on september 3rd pulled over for speeding in florida. >> it certainly seems to me and he has this sense of invinsability, if you will.
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he's making himself available. no one is doing these things to him. he's doing them himself. he seems to want public attention. even when he was stopped once for the trafficking, he let the officer know repeatedly he has a gun in the car. he even said to the officer at one point, do you know who i am. there's an ego thing going on here he wants the public attention. sometimes when cases end, people are disappointed they're not in the public sight anymore. he obviously has some issues that are going on psychologically. and i think this issue around his family is an indication that he is a troubled young man in in sense he may have gotten away with it. but he's getting a divorce from his wife, he shouldn't be back at the house. and not with allegations occurring unless he has other things going on and he somewhat invincible about all this. >> lisa, you brought up earlier
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that there were some things not permitted in trial thbut the fa is he had issues with the law in twooi. he was charged and arrested for resisting arrest and violence on an officer. and in 2005 his ex-fiance filed a restraining order alleging domestic abuse. he then counterfiled. >> that's right. so this is a not a new pattern. this is a pattern that's been going on for about eight years. many of us feel this is exactly what happened on february 26, 2012, the night he shot and killed trayvon martin. i mean, we know to a certainty whether you think he's innocent or guilty he immediately jumped to false conclusions about trayvon martin and he was caught saying angry things about this young man he had never met before. and we know that ended in the
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death of that young man. this is all part of george zimmerman's pattern. these are very serious charges. this isn't just a couple people yelling at each other. what she said on that tape is that he has hand on a gun threatening her and her father. that he punched her father in the nose. and that he smashed her ipad and cut it with a knife. she said she was really, really afraid. i mean, these are very, very serious allegations she's made today. i'm surprised so quickly she has turned around and said i'm not going to press charges. and i question what has caused that. has somebody gotten to her and gotten her to immediately retreat from allegations that she made just earlier today? >> but marcia clark, we are told that whether she presses charges or not is of no consequence in florida. that the state prosecutor has to review this on whether or not it warrants criminal prosecution. >> that's right. that's right, reverend. they have the tape to go by
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which is thought as it comes into evidence for all purposes to prove the truth of the matter she state there is. that he hit her father. and of course we also have the father. the father can testify. and he makes reference to a neighbor who may have seen everything. that neighbor can testify to everything. even if she is a reluctant witness, number one she can be called to the stand. and even if she refuses to testify to what happened, others can testify to what happened. and they can play that tape. there is a case that exists whether she testifies or not. i think it's also a very good point. what is he doing at the house at all? they're in the middle of a divorce. this is bad judgment consistent with the bad judgment he's shown on prior occasions. it seems to me it's escalating. and he goes to the gun factory, just horrible judgment. horrible insensitive judgment
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and then being at the house and smashing an ipad and whatever else he did there. i don't think we heard the last of it. i suspect we're going to see george zimmerman popping up again. >> faith? >> and here's what -- you can't tell me that mark o'mara has not tried to talk to george zimmerman and advised him you need to keep a low profile. you just got acquitted in one of the most serious charges in a very high-profile case. you need to keep a low profile. he is obviously disregarding that instruction. it reminds me what he did that night trayvon martin was killed. when he disregarded the 911 operator and continued to follow him. it's a very troubling pattern we're seeing here. >> well, let me say, someone said that mark a mo'mara may ha talked to someone. this is a video of him leaving the father-in-law's house moments ago. and he says now that george
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zimmerman's gun has been returned to him by police. so a mor ra just announced that. and this is the video of him leaving. o obviously he came to the scene dealing with this as someone just said. while i'm talking about mark o'mara, questions about him came up a lot of places this weekend. he has joined cnn as a legal analyst. now, there's no question he's an effective lawyer, but look at what it meant. he brought up evidence accusing trayvon of being a thug. he claimed he had a video footage of trayvon's friends meet beeti ibeating up a homele. but it was two homeless guys fighting over a bike. he later apologized saying it was a mistake and he's sorry. now he's a legal analyst at cnn. >> i will tell you i thought
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there were unethical things he did. when he made trayvon look like he was a thug in a picture and then brought forth the white woman to testify about what had happened before creating the impression that trayvon could have been that person or someone like him and that he was up to the same -- >> when he brought the white female who said blacks who had nothing to do with trayvon had in fact did a home invasion on her is what you're referring to. >> and he really used the stand your ground in a racial way even though he claims it wasn't racial. so i think it was quite deceptive, the things he did. particularly shifting all the negative stereotyping notions to trayvon. and the d.a. never countered any of this. >> the gloves were off in the trial. that was part of his strategy. to paint a portrait of this young man and essentially put him on trial. so the jurors would look and we
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talked about all of this before. so they would make a judgment about him and take the focus away from him. that was a trial strategy. >> now, getting back to zimmerman, we see that, lisa, shellie zimmerman who made the frantic call today, she told "good morning america" that her husband was a selfish man. it was all about him. listen to this. >> i have a selfish husband. i think george is all about george. i stood by my husband through everything. and i kind of feel like he left me with a bunch of pieces of broken glass that i'm supposed to now assemble and make a life. >> now, this was just last week when she announced she was filing for divorce. now we have this today.
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>> yeah. i mean, this is a really disturbing situation. i'm the one who said i wonder if one of george zimmerman's attorneys got to shellie who so quickly changed today from saying on the 911 call that he was this violent threatening person to never mind we're not pressing charges. now we see the video of mark o'mara leaving the house. i hope that shellie was represented by counsel if she was engaging in conversation with mork a m with mark o'mara. this story continues to get more and more disturbing the more that we learn about it. the bottom line is for any domestic violence victim, if you're being threatened, someone's brandishing or threatening a gun, you should press charges and shouldn't b let their attorney talk you out of it. >> let me say, shellie zimmerman, she knows. when she calls 911, we're talking about george zimmerman here. she knows that call is going to
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be recorded. she knows immediately that everything is coming across in the media, this is going to be reported on extensively. it's amazing to me. she's gone through great lengths to distance herself from him. and now this 911 call today. so it's interesting to see so quickly that she's now back tracking. >> and when she appeared in court on the charges we talked about earlier connected, he did not come to court with her. that was part of her complaint. faith jenkins, lisa bloom, marcia clark, john burris, i'll leave it there. we'll be back. you'll experience reliable uptime for the network and services you depend on. multi-layered security solutions keep your information safe, and secure. and responsive dedicated support meets your needs, and eases your mind. centurylink. your link to what's next.
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. one of the big events in new york every year is fashion week. but one of the things that exposes some of the contradictions in the events is the lack of diversity in fashion week in terms of the runway and the fashion industry. back in 2008 vogue ran an article headlined "is fashion racist?" has anything changed since then? well, many are saying no, they haven't. we're joined now by a legendary fashionista. andre leon tally. he's profiled in the latest issue of vanity fair.
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thank you for joining me. >> great to be with you, reverend al. >> and great to have you with us. really an honor. you have dealt with the industry at the highest levels. i mean, you're legendary in this field by any standards. and super legendary as a black that have navigated in this field. how do you see the issue of diversity today in fashion? >> september 2013, the dream is not achieved. let me give you an example starting with me personally. yesterday in the "new york times," a reporter referred to me as the peacock in residence at vogue. the accomplishment loves to use metaphors comparing black men to animals. serena williams was once called a gazelle. these are the words that replaced the n-word. since everyone likes to talk in animals. i say racism in the fashion
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world is hibernating like a big black grizzly bear. it is always there. it always has been. and it's time now -- this new coalition movement starting this week has pointed how you can go to the most important fashion shows and see very few girls of color on the runway. >> the diversity coalition just wrote a letter to fashion week organizers and i'm reading from the letter. it says eyes are on an industry that season after season watches design houses consistently use one or no models of color. no matter the intention, the result is racism. that decision to use basically all white models, we veals a trait that is unbecoming to modern society. >> totally agree. i totally agree. it's amazing this had to be done in 2013. this started back with this
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movement we used to have town hall meetings in 2007. today had six models of color, african-american, african descent. it's been decades, i think decades. i've been around forever. it's been decades since i've seen any designer in america use six african-american models of color on their runway show. >> and huge models have spoken out on this. supermodels. naomi campbell, iman. let me show you some of their comments. >> it doesn't matter what color you are. if you have the right talent, you should be up there with the opportunity to do the job. >> nobody is calling any of these designers racist. the act itself is racism. >> i mean, so this -- you're talking about people naomi campbell, iman, andre, you.
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these are blacks at the top of the field. it's not people upset because they didn't get a gig. >> exactly. i'm grateful for my career in fashion and my life at vogue, but if i can really be accurate with so many glamorous and important successful magazines, the history has been one editor in chief who was an african-american. one. in the history. i may be wrong, but i'm sure it's only been one. >> diversity at last year's fashion week, for example, in february, 83% of the models were white. just 7% of the models were black. this has got to stop which is why we want to focus on it. >> this has really got to stop. we call attention to it this week particularly we're going to call attention to it in milan, paris, and london because it does have to stop. it's taken for granted. maybe one model is enough. but that is racism. that's like a token model thrown
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in there to keep people silent. but it's a silent kind of thing. race is often silent. even more best friends, your colleagues can be unaware they are doing racist things and they are because they're eliminating the beauty and diversity of women of color. naomi is unique. naomi is a supermodel. iman. i'm an icon that was never offered the editor in chiefship. i hit the glass ceiling and stayed there. >> i must say this. we're out of time, but i have to say this. i love reading about you and i love how you tell the story that you got your sense of fashion growing up in north carolina and people were maids and doing domestic work, but they got their best fashion on sunday. >> best fashion. church clothes. church clothes were the richest, most important in my life. >> i love that story you tell no
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matter how huge you become, you go back to your roots and say this is where it came from. amazing. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> happy to be with you. it's an honor. >> thank you for being with us. andre leon talley. thank you so much. coming up, everyone is still talking about our apollo special. my response is coming. reply is ahead. [ male announcer ] a new test with pluggable febreze. we rented this resort, hid smelly objects all over each villa and plugged in febreze. then real people were asked to stay for a long weekend. would they smell anything? om itself was like [sniffs] ahhh. feels like someone has pumped fresh oxygen into the room. [ male announcer ] on the last day we revealed everything. [ both ] oouugghhh. we were sitting right on it. febreze is stunningly effective. [ laughing ] [ male announcer ] pluggable febreze eliminates odors and keeps your home continuously fresh for up to 30 days, so you can breathe happy. and keeps your home continuously fresh
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to get votes is not only insulting to his family who are obviously out there campaigning because they believe in what he's doing, it's insulting to the black community that we would vote because somebody has black kids. there's a black in the race. are we unthinking, mr. bloomberg? are we that gullible? what are you saying about the people you've been the mayor over for 12 years? we'll be right back. out for dri. i have very well fitting dentures. i like to eat a lot of fruits. love them all. the seal i get with the super poligrip free keeps the seeds from getting up underneath. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. a lot of things going on in my life and the last thing i want to be thinking about is my dentures. [ charlie ] try zinc free super poligrip.
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be celebratory about the progress made in the last 50 years since dr. king's speech "i have a dream" and to inspire people to do more because we've not achieved the dream yet. and we wanted to use people, not civil rights leaders who spoke at the march, but people who have been extremely successful that would not have been there had it not been for the civil rights struggle and the dream and what was done for the last 50 years for them to celebrate and for them to challenge and say what they had to do to match the movement to make that dream become possible in their life. let me show you some of the moments that meant a lot to me in the special the other night. ♪ signing sealed delivered ♪ i'm yours . >> i said i know him. i grabbed my cell phone. i dialed you and i got voice
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mail. >> i grew up poor, but i didn't have poor dreams. we have to be about making sure that we own our own businesses and we put our own people to work. if we come back and it's still the same thing, we're not going to advance. >> they rub this for good luck. we have a small one downtown that chris matthews and i do it every night. >> i never thought i would be sitting here at the apollo theater. >> you decided to go no newark. you could have written your ticket on wall street -- >> be careful now. you don't talk about newark that way. >> i'm not running. i got new ideas for you. >> here we go. >> reverend al, melissa harris-perry. we got a little thing we can do. >> sometimes you have to take
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your dream and hide it in your coat close to your heart so the people around you don't tear it apart. i think a problem with our young people is we are so busy trying to get away from where we come from that we don't know who we are. >> we need people to lead, to get out front on big issues. and not to be afraid. to be bold. to be courageous. when a person looks at you and say you can't because of the color of your skin, well i can't relate to that because i have never seen any color anyway. ♪ we have overcome ♪ we have overcome ♪ we have overcome today ♪ deep in my heart we do
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believe ♪ ♪ that we have overcome today >> stevie wonder challenged us to keep on fight gt, keep on speaking, keep on moving until we can sing that we have overcome. we're not there yet, but we won't stop until we do. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. tubl. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. this is a strange time for america. we have a significant number of citizens who hate the elected president of this country.
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