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msnbc. join me and my colleagues for all the live coverage of the address starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. in fact, he's sitting right here. we have actually solved the housing -- started to solve the housing problem here in new york because there's two shows in one studio. al, you take it away. >> and it's not charging extreme rent. good to see you, ed. thanks a lot. >> thanks, rev. >> thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, an extraordinary day of high stakes diplomacy that could avoid military strikes against syria. and give president obama a peaceful resolution to the crisis. here's the latest. the obama administration is working with allies at the united nations on a russian plan to put syria's chemical weapons under international control. today the syrian government agreed to that plan, admitted for the first time that it had
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these weapons. and it announced it would sign a convention governing their use. secretary of state john kerry weighed in earlier today. >> we're waiting for that proposal, but we're not waiting for long. president obama will take a hard look at it. but it has to be swift. it has to be real. hit has to be verifiable. it cannot be a delay. >> meantime, today president obama was on capitol hill talking to lawmakers from both parties. a group of senators are working on a resolution that would set a deadline for syria to hand its chemical weapons over to the u.n. if syria missed that deadline, the resolution would authorize the president to use military force. all of that is the backdrop for today's pivotal primetime speech for president obama.
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he'll address the nation on the syrian crisis at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. in an interview at nbc news, the president said the u.s. must still take a tough skeptical position towards syria's promises. >> i think a famous american president once said trust but verify. you have to take it with a grain of salt initially, but between the statements that we saw from the russians, the statement today from the syrians, this represents a potentially positive development. we are going to run this to ground. >> joining me now is nicolas burns, former u.s. ambassador to nato. now a professor at harvard university. and don bear, chief speech writer for president clinton. thanks to both of you for being here. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> ambassador, let me start with
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you. there's obviously a long road ahead. but let me just ask you bluntly. did syria just blunk? >> i think syria did just blink because of the prospect that of force being used against them by president obama. as the president said yesterday, it was the threat of force that undoubtedly led syria and russia to this proposal. i think the president is right to walk down this road and to see if this russian plan makes sense and to see if it can be implemented. we can't rely on a promise to disarm by syria. we've got to see it happen. and what the president and the administration will want is some kind of enforcement mechanism. both in a congressional resolution but also security
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council resolution. >> that's where the argument is going to be. and there's no doubt the devil is in the details. but the fact of the matter is that you're already hearing from mrs. pelosi and others that had the president not put the threat of a military strike on the table, they would not have even come to the point of saying they would sign a resolution less known admit for the first time that they, in fact, do have these weapons. we're dealing with people that used to say what are you talking about? i don't know. they're falsely accusing. tonight they have admitted the weapons and we're talking about locations. so is this not something the president can take credit for, ambassador? >> well, i think that the president is right to decide to delay the use of force, delay the votes in the congress, and to pursue this diplomatic initiative. i think it's going to be difficult to work it out. because we're dealing with an
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untrustworthy regime. they've been lying to the rest of the world for decades about this. we're also dealing with president putin. putin said publicly tonight in moscow the deal is only good if the united states commits not to use force. but that's not the american position. the american position is, okay, we'll give assad a deadline. he needs to rid himself of the chemical weapons by that deadline which is going to be a difficult thing to do. and if not, then we've got to have the ability to tell him if he doesn't meet that deadline we will launch air strikes. the russians won't agree with that. so this is a plan that we should look at. it may not be a plan that can be realized. >> now, let me ask you don. you have been in the white house under president clinton. and with all of this going on today, yesterday president we knew was going to make a primetime speech tonight which we will have live. but today all of a sudden we're in the middle of back and
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forward drawing a resolution, russia, united nations. i mean, give us a sense of what could be going on in the white house. i'd hate to be the speech writer that's trying to put all this together for tonight. >> this is a speech writer's nightmare. there's a part of you that just wants to say to the president, take it from here, mr. president. but of course you can't do that. i think a lot of the core of the speech is going to remain the same. i think you're going to see the president talk graphically about the atrocities that took place in syria with this chemical weapons attack about the people -- the 1400 people who were killed, about the children who were killed, about how they died to really sort of bring it to life. which again i think from a humanitarian standpoint is important. i think to nick's points, you're going to see the president talk about why the credible and enforceable threat of the use of force has perhaps brought us to the moment where there could be
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a diplomatic solution here. but without that threat of the use of force, we wouldn't be here and without the threat of the use of force doing forward, we can't know for sure that we can move forward. indeed the united states congress and the people of the united states have to stand firmly in favor of all of that in order for this to come to a peaceful resolution. >> now, let me -- on the point don baer just made, secretary of state kerry said today the threat of force brought them to the table. look at the comment then i'll pose a question to you. >> a lot of people says nothing focuses the mind like the prospect of a hanging. it's the credible threat of force that has been on the table for these last weeks that has for the first time brought this regime to even acknowledge that they have a chemical weapons
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arsenal. >> now, if in fact that is the position of the administration and you and i just discussed that. and if that is so to the american people, doesn't it, ambassador, put the congress particularly those in opposition to the president in an awkward position now to vote against putting that threat or continuing that threat? if that vote goes down, as much as you want to oppose the president if you're in his opposition party, doesn't it put you in an awkward position to look like you're removing the threat that could lead to resolution here? >> it does. and i think secretary kerry was right to say what he said. as you know, there are a group of senators working on a new resolution. i think if we're going to enter into this high stakes diplomatic showdown, we need unity in washington and the president needs to -- the support of all of congress. so i would like to see at a time
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when the administration wants to put this forward, another congressional vote that would authorize the president or support the president in pursuing a diplomatic initiative. but would also authorize the president to use force should he have to do that. should the syrian government renege on its promise. we're dealing with cynical, brutal thugs in damascus. they do understand power. and so they're only going to understand as secretary kerry suggested the power of the united states that remains on the table. i think congress now has a responsibility to support the president or else the credibility of our own country in foreign policy is going to be severely effected. >> yeah. now, don baer, who is the president tonight as he makes this address primetime? who's he speaking to? to the american people? to congress? to syria? to russia? to the u.n.? to all of the above? i mean, what basis does he have to cover in his speech tonight? >> my answer to that is yes to
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all those audiences. principally primarily he's speaking to the american people. he has to be able to rally support amongst the american people. if heck do that, members of congress are going to have a comfort level and come along. obviously he's speaking to the people in that chamber. he's trying to help them understand that paradoxically, the only way that you can achieve a peaceful outcome here is if there's a credible threat of force and the president has the ability to use force as necessary in order to keep this process going. you know, there's no question he's going to be sending a signal to our adversaries around the world and maybe those handful of allies that we have with regard to this issue to say to them we're serious about this. now, i do -- >> i'll let you finish. go ahead. >> well, i think there's going to be an implicit message here that says trust me to only use
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force in the last resort. and that we're going to do everything possible to resolve this peacefully. but you have to trust me. >> ambassador burns, don baer, thank you for your time tonight. and be sure to tune in for msnbc's coverage of the president's address on syria tonight starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern time. we will all be here with you tonight as the president addresses the country. coming up, more on the president's speech, his diplomacy, and why nancy pelosi calls it a big victory. and brand new video just released by lake mary police show george zimmerman's arms raised and handcuffed. taken away from questioning outside the scene of the altercation at his father-in-law's house. >> keep coming. put your hands up!
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the president has been trying for this. he's been striving to get the syrian weapons under international control. and now the russians are suggesting it. so i think this is a victory for president obama if it is real. >> if it is real. the democrats and liberals will say it's a big victory for the president. he made the syrians and russians blink. others are saying but it's a long way to go and we don't know if it's real. joining me now is congresswoman karen bass from california and a member of foreign affairs committee. thank you for joining me, congresswoman. >> thanks for having me on, rev. >> have you decided whether you are voting yes or no on the
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proposal to, in fact, go for a limited military strike before all of the things that happened today? >> no, rev. i'm still undecided about that. and i'll tell you, for a lot of reasons. but i am excited about the events. and things have been changing by the moment. it's almost as though a door has been opened and frankly i think all of us the international community needs to drive a truck through that door. and we need to hold russia and syria accountable. this is an incredible opportunity. and i'm hoping that they will see the light and they will be willing to go forward and destroy the chemical weapons and let the world see to verify this. >> what do you need to hear tonight from the president, congresswoman? >> we met with the president yesterday for about an hour members of the congressional black caucus. i know the case he made with us is the case he's going to make to the american people tonight which is laying out what the situation was, what actually
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happened. and then why we need to do what he is proposing. but i also think that he is going to say that we do have an opportunity here. as you know, secretary kerry was dispatched to europe to immediately begin negotiations. and so now i think it's time for an all-out effort to push for a diplomatic solution. i think there is a window there. i think we need to do everything we can to make sure this happens. just like was said a few minutes ago on your show, a few days ago assad wasn't even admitting he had chemical weapons. well, he's admitted that now. and conceivably he's invited the world in to verify. we need to hold him to that. >> now, the president also seemed to be mindful of the fact that most americans, many americans if not most according to polls, most are just weary of war. let me show you what he told nbc in an interview just yesterday. >> sure. >> and i know how tired the american people are of war
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generally. particularly war in the middle east. if you ask somebody, if you ask michelle, do we want to be involved in another war? the answer is no. i've made my decision about what i think is best for america's national interests. but this is one where i think it's important for me to pay close attention to what congress and the american people say. >> so congresswoman, the president is not unmindful of the fact that the public doesn't want another war. they are now saying that maybe the strategy has worked to create a door opening to peace. but again, we don't know -- the president quoted ronald reagan, trust by verify. >> exactly. but count me in as one of those extremely weary of war. and as a member of congress, i see our wounded soldiers every day. because they come here and visit us on the hill. but i do have to say that the other thing that the american
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public is very weary of is the fact that ten years ago or however long ago it was, we were lied to. we were lied to about the evidence. we were told that saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction. but we certainly have seen and i have, i've seen the videos and now the world has. i do believe that assad used chemical weapons. but if there is an opportunity to have those weapons revealed for the world and destroyed and to have syria sign the chemical weapons ban just like 180-plus countries around the world, then we need to do everything we can to force and to push a diplomatic solution. and i think we have that window there. and i certainly want to see that happen. >> the balance, i mean, people like you and myself have very publicly questioned this. but the balance is also tomorrow we stop and commemorate 9/11. and we're also not unmindful of the security needs and the
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terrorism potential that has already hit this country with great, great tragedy on 9/11. so the balance is somewhere that the president has to grapple with. >> exactly. but, you know, we all have a role to play. and i think it's time that we call on and pressure russia to hold its client syria accountable and to come and deal with the diplomatic solution. france said they're going back to the u.n. maybe it's an opportunity for the u.n. security council to do the right thing and for russia not to veto this time. >> congresswoman bass, thank you very much. >> thanks for having me on. coming up, newly released video of george zimmerman facing off with police. i will have an exclusive interview. juror b-29 from the zimmerman trial, she'll respond live to the latest. this is for you.
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news. new video just released by florida police show george zimmerman getting handcuffed and taken for questioning just minutes after he allegedly had a violent confrontation with his wife and father-in-law yesterday afternoon. police arrived on the scene in lake mary after george zimmerman's wife shellie called the police and told them that zimmerman threatened her with a gun, punched her father in the nose, and smashed her ipad. >> keep coming! put your hands up! all right. get on your knees! cross your feet!
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>> police detained and questioned george zimmerman before letting him go without charges. police searched him but didn't find a gun. they're now trying to restrief video from the broken ipad they believe may contain evidence of what happened. joining me now is zimmerman trial juror b-29 and her attorney. thank you both for coming on the show. >> thank you, reverend. >> thank you. >> and let me ask you because you've been very candid and constructive. i think you've tried to be very positive in going forward with this situation and i respect that. when you heard this 911 tape, i'm going to play what shellie
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zimmerman called in yesterday. i want to know as one who sat through that trial, what came through your mind? what did you think about when you heard this? listen to this call from george zimmerman's wife yesterday. >> he's in his car and he continually has his hand on his gun and he keeps saying step closer. he's just threatening all of us. >> step closer? >> with the firearm and he's going to show us. >> okay. >> he punched my dad in the nose. my dad has a mark on his face. i saw his glasses were on the floor. he accosted my father and then took my ipad out of my hands and smashed it and cut it with a pocket knife. and there's a lake mary city worker across the street that i believe saw almost all of it. i don't know what he's capable of. i'm really, really scared. dad, get behind the car or something. i don't know if he's going to start shooting at us or not.
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>> as you hear that, what are you -- what goes through your mind if anything? >> i believe that his wife, she knows exactly what is -- what george zimmerman is capable of doing. and maybe she must have been more fearful because she knows that the truth is someone got killed a couple of years ago over, you know, probably his anger or over the situation that went about it. so when she's calling and she's saying that he has a gun or he's waving or -- she sounds like she's fearful. >> now, let me show you this photo. tmz obtained this photo of george zimmerman smiling with the owner of a gun manufacturing company. this is the same gun used to kill trayvon martin. and he's there smiling posing
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with the gun manufacturer. the manufacturer of the same gun used to kill trayvon martin. as someone that sat on that trial jury, how do you feel about seeing him standing there smiling posing with the manufacturer after this trial where he was acquitted? >> i believe that george zimmerman has been smiling since the first day he came out in the courtroom. he's carried that smile all the way through. he believes he's very positive that what he's done is -- there's nothing wrong, and in my heart i believe that he to me is like a mockery. he's making a -- he's not feeling bad. i mean, i can't say how he feels, but he's not showing any remorse of anything that went on with the situation with trayvon martin. >> now -- go ahead. you were going to say something else? i don't want to interrupt. >> and carrying a gun and being
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able to carry that gun again gives him more right and i believe i heard a little bit of the wife's story where she expressed that he feels invincible. and it's very hard to be one of the persons that was had to deal with the deliberation and had to deal with him being free right now. but just to know that in my heart, you feel that a person is guilty. you know, it makes not only -- it makes me feel worse. the more i hear about george zimmerman coming out on tv because i feel like they're giving him so much -- he's becoming a superstar. >> now, when you say he's becoming a superstar, it's like he won't go away, he's always in some kind of altercation. he's in the public. and you said at one of the early interviews after the trial that
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you believed he had gotten away with murder. but that you had to do what the law said. now, when you say that, do you think the laws ought to be dealt with or do you think that the judge didn't explain it in a way that gave me jury that you were on a chance to really deal with it? or do you think the prosecution wasn't clear enough? i mean, what do you think was the vague gray area? >> i think the gray area there was there was a set of laws given to six individual. you have womens that are more educated and more, you know, that have been around people that are lawyers and they've been around reading these laws. yes, i -- you know, the jurors, we all worked together and looked at the evidence and the evidence was just not there. by the law the way it was read to me, it shows that there was
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no evidence to charge him guilty. and if i go with my heart which was one of the things that the lawyers said we could do was go with our heart or we could assume -- or there was no what ifs. so since i couldn't do that, you know, i had to go by what the law said. and the law said that he was not guilty. >> now, there were those that said that after you and others, there was one juror b-37 that had said it doesn't worry me. i think that he would be more responsible than anyone else on the planet right now. and clearly there's been several incidents since the trial but there were those that were questioning what happened in the jury room. did people pressure people? were people bullying you? you had said earlier that you had believed he was guilty. then a few hours later he wasn't. were you bullied, maddy? >> we -- i can't say i was
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bullied. i really believe that most of the womens worked together and we went through the evidence and continued to go through the evidence. and there was just nothing that the way the law was read to me could say that he was guilty. now, as time is going by and again you start hearing lawyers talking about the subject. lawyers letting people know, you know, this is how it could have gone. i don't know how it should have went. i'm not a lawyer. >> right. >> you know, the worst feeling is to know that i'm the cause of someone's death. and to know that this man is still making a mockery where he's still showing off getting speeding tickets, walking around with a gun who he shouldn't have a gun, but, you know, it hasn't been that long. there should be a time limit for you to even purchase a gun after
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you have gone through this. the only way all this is going to change is if we change the law. >> if we change the law. now, maddy, let me ask you this. when you see video like you just saw, does this bother you? do you think about it since you were on that jury? >> it hurts. it hurtss a lot. the comments people say you could have changed, you could have done, you could have. and it goes back to making me think more and think about what could i have done? to be honest with you, the more we think about what i could have done, we're wasting more time. i want to know what we should do now. i mean, what could i do to help to change the law. what could i do to change the situation. so it doesn't happen to another child. i have a 20-year-old. i have an 18-year-old. i mean, i have my 13-year-old right now in constantly because he's going through a lot of the struggles of the situation. i want to know what i could do to make a difference.
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i can't continue to give george zimmerman all that power where he continues and everybody keeps talking about him. let's talk about what we could do to change to make a difference, to do something. because that's what i want to do. i can't continue to give him -- let him be the superstar. >> and as you say deal with the laws and what can be done to make this fair. i hear in your voice the concern of a mother and the concern of a human being who like you said is not a lawyer, that just wants to see what is fair and right for everybody's child including i know you had given statements of condolences to the family of trayvon martin. >> yes. i struggle every day. i'm not speaking for the other jurors, but my assumption is everybody has moved on.
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and i remember the first day they asked me at the voir dire is this going to be a hardship. no one explained to me after i left this place, i would not be able to have my life back. and people continue to say, you know, you want your 15 minutes of fame. this is not to be -- this is not something you want to be famous about. you know? what i am proud of is that i stood by what i decided. because it was given to me as it was read to me. if it was the jurors' fault, if it was the judge's fault, or whoever's fault it was, it was the way the law was read to me. so as i continue to keep saying that, i've always said george zimmerman basically george zimmerman is a murderer. he killed trayvon martin, but only one person knows and the only person that's going to deal with it is god. i'm a christian person. i love god. and i believe spiritually, physically, and mentally that this will be taken care of.
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he's putting himself through more stress. he's putting himself through more shows. and as you see his anger which shellie was expressing he had anger problems. it's showing right now. and all we could do is let him fall on his own. i mean, you can't do anything else. i mean, we can't -- i don't want to sit there and make judgment on anybody else. or be in a situation like this ever again. >> if you -- and you've made it clear about the law and changing the law and you dealt with it and the jurors dealt with the law. but if you could say something to george zimmerman tonight in light of all of these actions and behaviors since the trial, if he's watching tonight, what would you say to mr. zimmerman? >> i really would like to ask george zimmerman if he's happen pi. i mean, are you happy?
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i don't understand how someone could continue to keep a smile like that with all of the hurt he has caused. >> wow. thank you, maddy, thank you attorney chico. thank you for coming on the show. >> thank you. coming up, my legal panel reacts to juror b-29 and to some more questions emerging. did george zimmerman tell the whole truth to police? [ male announcer ] julia child became a famous chef at age 51. picasso painted one of his master works at 56. doris taerbaum finished her first marathon at 50. not everyone peaks in their twenties. throughout their lives. passion keeps them realizing possibilities. an ally for real possibilities. aarp. find tools and support at aarp.org/possibilities. like carpools... polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah.
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we just heard a powerful interview with juror b-29 from the george zimmerman trial. maddy and her reaction to the latest developments yesterday, allegations of domestic violence by george zimmerman by his own wife in a tape -- 911 tape she made yesterday. joining me now is former prosecutor faith jenkins and florida defense attorney ken padowitz, msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom. thank you all for joining me. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i want to hear from everyone starting with lisa, what's your reaction to what maddy juror b-29 just said to me? >> it's such a heart break listening to her. because she knows in her heart that george zimmerman was guilty but she felt the law prevented her from finding that. and she doesn't call the other jurors bullies but she says they had more knowledge of the law
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than she did. it sounds as though they tried to use that knowledge to talk her out of what she really knew. the problem here is the jury instructions were so confusing that if they had been clearer, this jury which was initially half to convict and half to acquit could have come back with a conviction. if the prosecution in closing arguments had walked the jurors clearly through the manslaughter charge and showed that it really wasn't that high of a level of proof, showed how the evidence did fit into the manslaughter charge, they could have gotten the conviction. i see these jurors as victims of the system just as much as everybody else in this case was. the system really failed in this case. >> ken? >> lisa just articulated in an excellent way. that's what i heard the juror say. it comes down to the law and the law is extremely confusing. it's as clear as mud in the state of florida. and especially when it comes to the stand your ground law which was incorporated into the jury
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instructions, it's extremely confusing. and you can hear the disappointment in this juror's words as she describes how george zimmerman is there smiling and now again he's attracted this kind of attention again with police and with 911 calls and how disappointed she is that she believed in her heart that he was guilty of a crime at the trial, but she just felt the law didn't allow her to come back with what she thought was justice. so it's very disheartening to hear her say that, but i think she articulated it in a very emotional, meaningful way that most people will understand. >> faith? >> you know, she's stepping outside of the bubble she was in with being part of a sequestered jury. now with this other snernt that just happened yesterday, you're seeing a bigger picture of who george zimmerman is. this is a person who has an awful lot of contact with the police but is always playing the role of the chronic victim. no blame, no shame, no fault, no consequences.
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you see that repeatedly. shellie zimmerman said i don't know what he's capable of. we look at the history, we know what he's capable of. 2005 domestic violence case. then assaulting a police officer and taking anger management classes. killing a teenager. now using bad judgment. speeding. he doesn't have to speed. taking pictures with gun manufacturers. >> the manufacturer of the gun he killed the teenager with. >> yes. and now getting into another domestic violence incident where you know you're being watched. even if someone else starts something, you walk away. he knows who he is and the consequences now of him getting into another altercation. >> we're talking about who he is, faith and lisa and ken. the lake mary police told "the new york times," quote, george zimmerman said he has no gun on him and we haven't found a gun. the cops said they didn't find a gun, but zimmerman's own lawyer said he had a gun the whole time. listen to this.
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>> there was no gun, no gun found. we searched him physically. there was no weapon or any weapon involved. >> did you search his car? >> we did not. >> did george touch his gun during this? zb he was armed and like anyone with responsible gun ownership, he made sure it didn't go anywhere from the outside. he put his hand to secure the gun was hoelsered under his shirt. it stayed there the whole time. >> so his lawyer said the gun was under his shirt the whole time. the police said they didn't find the gun. was the lawyer lying on him? is the police lying? or did george ditch the gun somewhere? because this is a blatant inconsistency, faith. >> right. and so it's not clear. but here's what we do know. when the police got there or originally shellie said his hand was on the gun.
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then when police got there, she said she never saw a gun. and other witnesses said they didn't see a gun. it appears the gun was in the car. did he put the gun in the car before the police arrived? we don't know yet. but they decide candidate not to go search the vehicle because they didn't perceive any circumstances and they did not think they had probable cause to go and search the vehicle without a warrant because the witnesses said -- >> but lisa, why is the lawyer telling us exactly where the gun was? >> this is a huge issue. you know, usually it's the other way around. the police say that somebody had a gun and the lawyer says no, he didn't. in fact, the lawyer is now on tape saying that he did have a gun. and as far as circumstances, yes if he was objecting. all they had to do was ask him may we search your car? we know how he is with police. sure, i'll talk to you. sure, search my car. this looks like police
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incompetence. you mean to tell me his wife is on the phone hysterical saying he's threatening me and my father with a gun. he just punched my father in the face. he just destroyed by ipad and they don't even ask him can we search the car? i mean, this is completely outrageous to me. and by the way, mark o'mara said after the trial george zimmerman is always going to carry a gun. he's always facing death threats. people are always after him. he's got more reason to carry a gun. of course he had a gun. he had it holstered behind him with his shirt covering it. that's the whey george zimmerman packs a gun. >> ken, when you look at the circumstances and he's continuing to do this, we're told now the police have retr e retrieved the broken ipad and maybe there's some video on there. but when you hear this juror maddy almost pleading let's do something about the law. which many of us are raising the question on stand your ground and other things. i mean, it is amazing to me how
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people would just have to be insensitive to not look at how tragic this whole thing is for all involved. >> absolutely. that's the keyword here. tragic. it is very tragic. as tragic would happen to a teenager, it's tragic this is continuing in the public eye that is taking the resources of the community, police officers having to leave their posts and leave other potential criminal issues that they have to deal with and come deal again and again with george zimmerman. so that is tragic, and clearly at the scene there's a very good argument that there were exgent circumstances. that they could have looked in the vehicle for a gun since a gun was reported and this was a crime being reported of domestic violence at the scene. so tragedy is definitely something that can be described in this situation. >> well, faith, ken, and lisa, thank you very much. we are definitely going to be all over this.
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no, we're not trying to re-try the case. we're trying to do what maddy said. deal with the law and deal we equal protection under the law. we cannot not deal with that particularly after hearing this interview tonight. coming up, we'll be dealing with other issues. we'll be right back. o away. i was spotting, but i had already gone through menopause. these symptoms may be nothing... but they could be early warning signs of a gynecologic cancer, such as cervical, ovarian, or uterine cancer. feeling bloated for no reason. that's what i remember. seeing my doctor probably saved my life. warning signs are not the same for everyone. if you think something's wrong... see your doctor. ask about gynecologic cancer. and get the inside knowledge.
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obama care is the number one job killer in america. we need to have the will to defund obama care. >> obama care is not controversial. it is universally dispiezed. >> how about we defund the whole damn thing. >> tea party republicans today on capitol hill once again attacking president obama's health care law. and yesterday sarah palin tweeted enough of this foreign
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fiasco distraction. get back to work. it's time to bomb obama care. well, why are they so desperate? why are they outside rallying and making some incendiary statements like sarah palin? because in 21 days the law goes into effect. people that cannot afford health insurance will be able to afford it because of this president and because of this law. with all of their efforts, in 21 days on october 21st people will have an opportunity that they have not had. and they can rally all they want. the people will be able to rally for their own health insurance and the protection of their family against high insurance providers. a lot... except when it's too cold. like the last three weekends. asthma doesn't affect my job... you missed the meeting again last week! it doesn't affect my family.
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e-mails about our advancing the dream special. and this sunday marks the 50th anniversary of the 16th street baptist church bombing in birmingham, alabama. today on capitol hill, leaders came together to award the congressional gold medal to the four girls who were killed that sunday morning september 19th, 1963. their families attended the event to accept the award. the explosion on september 15th, 1963, shook the country and marked a turning point in the civil rights movement. i recently spoke with condoleezza rice who was a child in birmingham when the bombing took place. >> we were only two miles from the church. it was like the ground shook. and for kids in birmingham my age, i was eight, it was -- you know, how could these people hate us so much?
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>> as i sat and listened to ms. rice tell me about how the ground shook and she felt it in her church two miles away, i thought about how no one would have thought she would have grown to be the secretary of state. we'll never know what those four girls would have been if they lived. that's why we must stop hate. that's why we must use the law to justly protect young people. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. russian roulette. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. president obama stands at the abyss tonight. he stands precariously close to losing control of a vital presidential dis
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