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tonight. >> we have breaking news, vladamir putin has spoken in a "the new york times" op-ed piece. >> with modest effort and risk i believe we should act. >> president obama laid out his case. >> the president talks tough. >> for military action against syria. >> i have therefore asked to postpone ape vo vote. >> while simultaneously delaying it. >> there is the united nations. there is the international criminal court. >> tonight john kerry leaves for geneva. >> the negotiations. >> in geneva. >> i think what the russians have pro posed -- >> russia has floated a diplomatic solution -- awe m >> that said this is very complicated. >> russia objects to any mention of military consequences. >> i expect this will take some time. >> it is too early to tell if the offer will succeed. >> what perhaps shaped the administration most. >> this nation is sick and tired
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of war. >> the legacy of september 11th. >> it is the essence of responsibility to put the public good ahead of personal gain. >> colorado's first-ever recall election. >> funded exten siesively by th nra. >> after providing support for tough new gun control laws. >> he has no regrets. >> the loss of this seat is purely symbolic. >> these are low turn out affairs. >> i think it is a blip on the radar screen. >> they don't have great predictive value. >> our last session was phenomenal! and the next session will be even better! >> in an op-ed piece for "the new york times" released on its website, vladamir putin makes
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this case against military strikes in syria. the potential strike by the united states against syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond syria's borders. a strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism and could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the iranian nuclear problem and israeli-palestinian conflict and further destabilize the middle east and north africa. vladamir putin characterizes the conflict in syria this way. syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. there are few champions of democracy in syria. but there are more than enough al qaeda fighters and extremists battling the government. the united states state
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department has designated the islamic state of iraq, and fighting with the opposition as terrorist organizations. vladamir putin said this about the use of chemical weapons in syria. no one doubts that poison gas was used in syria, but there is every reason to believe it was used not by the syrian army, but by opposition forces. to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons who would besiding with the fundamentalists. in the final paragraph of his "the new york times" op-ed piece, vladamir putin wrote this. my working and personal relationship by president obama is marked by growing trust. i appreciate this. i carefully studied his address to the nation on tuesday. and i would rather disagree with the case he made on american exceptionalism stating that the united states policy is what makes america different. it's what makes us sxeexception.
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it is dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional whatever the motivation. joining me now, msnbc's crystal ball, steve clemens, washington editor at large for "the atlantic" and a former white house coordinator for arms control and weapons of mass destruction under president obama. your reaction to vladamir putin's op-ed piece? >> well i think the op-ed piece is consistent with russia's main objective which is to discourage the united states from intervening directly in the syrian conflict. obviously the russians recognize the american public is skeptical as well as congress and opposed to, u.s. military forcing in syria, and so -- vladamir putin is trying to strengthen the skepticism and opposition. >> steve clemens, putin mentions something that you first raised on the program earlier in the week, the potential dangers to
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russia in the situations, syria, he says, mercenaries from arab countries fighting there, hundred of militants from western countries and even russia are an issue of our deep concern. might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in syria? he says this threatens us all. steve, what is your reaction? >> well i think he is right. as you and i discuss previously. russia face is a lot of challenges if the chemical weapons were to fall into the hand of nonstate actors which, with which they're wrestling as well. this is a remarkable op-ed, an important one. i have an opportunity to chat with folks in the was tonight. still dip jesti idigesting this. some what in shock. i think part of the reaction is this really puts vladamir putin on the line. this is vladamir putin strutting his stuff, last week, one of the most reviled men in the world.
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this week one of great heroes in the eyes of many for saving and stopping a potential conflict. the more he says he is defending international law, international norms. the more he is on the line for actually delivering success, and getting those chemical weapons, out of syria's hands. and so i think that while many people may deride the piece in the long run it is a really important opportunity to see vladamir putin put himself in a track he can't get off of. in the end that may be good for us. >> crystal ball he opens the piece, we had problems during the cold war and remembers the good old days where we defeated the nazis together. this could be the reunion? the old team? >> that's right. well, i like the spin that, i like steve's take on this. this is an amazing op-ed to have russia, to have vladamir putin lecturing us on international
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law. that is an amazing situation. i hope steve is right and make it so russia feels more compelled to be involved in the process of ensure shuuring syri up their weapons. they have an interest there. they have an interest. an ongoing interest in the belief that countries should basically leave each other alone. not meddle in one another's affairs. a bit ironic he schooz chooses the point by not meddling. by meddling in the political affairs directly with "the new york times" op-ed. very clearly written for a liberal audience. most is well written. the piece at the end you cited about american exceptional isp is going to rankle a lot of folks. maybe an argument people can make. >> gary, if you were working in the administration, would you advise the president to write an op-ed piece of similar length
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for publication in a moscow newspaper to see if it could get published without any editorial interference by putin? i don't think affecting russian opinion is the objective here. the real question whether the russians are prepared to support a resolution that would have syria destroy chemical weapons. i agree with crystal and steve that the russians would welcome a decision by the syrian government to give up its chemical weapons. but so far the russians have not been willing to support the kind of resolution and the security council that would ensure that would happen. and i think, unfortunately, i think at the end of the day it is very likely that this russian proposal to disarm syria will
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fruf be prove to be ineve fktiffective. steve, putin, no disputing it, the syrian government does indeed have a substantial stock of chemical weapons. >> i fiend it to be remarkable op-ed, i will annotate it tomorrow for "the atlantic" they have chemical weapons. weapons were used. there are side references i found really important. he talks about the iranian nuclear problem. >> yes, yes, the phrase, fascinating. >> the iranian nuclear problem, the way he did it, is useful. i think that there are a lot of other lines. gary, such a great expert on this, can, can go through and annotate it quite well. i think it is important that when we look at this that we not try to imagine a permanent standoff between russia and the united states. over -- over what's going on inside syria. there need to, hopefully be a track back. maybe this will happen.
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but as the gariy said we need t look at this in realistic ways. high chances may may not work out. and we find ourselves in a conflict. i find this a potentially -- promising moment. i am surprised and -- and some what heartened that -- that we have got, vladamir putin who hasn't looked like a democrat lately coming out and talking about democratic values. maybe this will have interesting repercussions in russia. >> crystal ball, a flurry about this tomorrow on all political side in the united states. but it seems look one of the moments where, the, the administration and john kerry tomorrow in geneva may want to just pick the most positive elements of this op-ed piece and concentrate on those. >> i think that is probably the right approach to take. although, i have to say, in some ways this puts democrats in an awkward position. because they may be put in the position of feeling look they either support the president, or support vladamir putin.
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who is essentially making all of the are gaumenguments that libe democrats have been making in the country. >> he is making rand paul arguments in there too. >> making rand paul arguments. puts republicans in a difficult place. going back to the place that he says america is not exceptional, and paraphrasing. not what he says. a cornerstone of republican belief of how our foreign policy should be conducted. and the view of americans in the role in the world. >> gary, a piece in here. a sentence when he talks poison gas used in syria. suggesting at this stage, i suspect he must. it was not the syrian army. probably opposition forces. he doesn't say that with any definitive strength. the final line in that paragraph, he, about the poison gas, he says, reports that militants are preparing another attack, this time against israel, cannot be ignored.
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what do you think he is talking about there? i don't know what the russians really believe. but clearly the use of poison gas was conducted by the syrian government. and the russians in fact have worked with the united states in the past, to discourage assad from using chemical weapons. whether the russians genuinely believe that the opposition used chemical weapons as a provocation. i don't know. it obviously isn't true. in this case there is no question it was used by the syrian government. >> steve, i think you can tell by the language in the piece that vladamir putin does not believe that the opposition actually used those chemical weapons. >> i think that's, that is probably true. i think he is positioning himself for the negotiation. right now, while he has put this interesting and tantalizing idea of putting the chemical weapons, under international supervision and getting syria to be a member
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of the chemical weapons convention. he is nudging obama, saying you have to give up your threat of force, or this might not work. and that's intimated in the article as well. not as forcefully, as he has been saying before. this was a very, probably a focus group tested op-ed. you look at it. i would look to know which pr shop in town helped them put this together. nonetheless, when you look at, what he is, he is intimating. he is negotiating with obama in this piece. and, and -- a friend in the government said that they were particularly amutzed by the last line of the article saying in god's eyes. you know we are all equal. which has to dupe wio with the exceptionalism article. >> we must not forget that good creates us equal, so says vladamir putin. that wasn't in the piece. this was another territory. >> maybe should have the president write an op-ed for their papers about that.
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>> listen, i would be in there pushing for the white house speech writing team. every bow gbody get on it. 800 word now for russia. thank you all for joining me tonight. off awe thanks, lawrence. >> coming up. two of state senators who were willing to lose their jobs to do the right thing. you've don't see that very often in politics. in fact you pretty much never see it. those two send stores who were driven out of office in colorado by the nra will join me next. and, new information about george zimmerman's latest run-in with police since being acquitted in the killing of trayvon martin. and on the case for us. and later, new york city has a new political star and his dad is on his way to becoming mayor of new york. [ male announcer ] when it comes to doing what you love,
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teachers, administrators and school staff as armed guards. teachers and staff in the program are given a one-time, $1,100 stipend to buy a handgun and holster and 53-hour training program using pellet guns. arkansas state senator, jeremy hutchinson, you know the name, hutchinson, nephew of asa hutchinson, who pushed the nra proposal to allow guns in schools, took part in active shooter simulation at a school using rubber bullets. where he accidentally shot a police officer portraying a teacher. the officer was not hurt by the rubber bullet. the experience gave hutchinson sam pause. he still supports giving schools authorities to decide how best to secure their scam puss according to the newspaper.
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so the turbines of today... will power us all... into the future. ♪ >> in the first recall elections in colorado history yesterday, voters chose to recall two democrats. state senate president john morris and state senator angela herrone, the finance of recall campaigns after both senators after they voted in favor of stricter gun laws and requiring background checks for all gun purchases and banning ammunition magazines over 15 rounds. the senate president, john morris got 49% of the vote, but was recalled with 50.9% of the
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vote. i know i have not one iota regret for what i voted on. [ cheers and applause ] so we can all be proud of the work that we did, and we have a little more work to do, right? so this is going to make us stronger and better off the awe we have miles to go and the highest rank in a democracy is citizen. not senate president. so soon along with many of you, i will hold that rank and there is nothing citizens can't accomplish when they put their minds to accomplishing it. >> joining me is senators john
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morse, and angela herrone. thank you for being here tonight. you represent something that disappeared from politics, a legislator, at any level, state, federal. willing to take a vote, cast a vet that they know can cost them the job. that's just something we don't see anymore. it is a kind of legislative heroism that i think we should value. and, senator herrone, i know you said last night you don't regret the vote. tell us why? >> well, one i don't regret any work that we did. such an hiss toreic session under the leadership of morris, civil unions, in state tuition, and most importantly, voter access, which, so that session was so historic. and then our gun safety legislation, which when we had a state that had two of the most tragic massacres, why, that we
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would have done nothing? how could we have faced ourselves? so we did that. so i am so grateful to have been part of that. and then, why we did such common sense legislation, for gun safety. so our families and our kids could be safe. yeah, no. not going to regret that vote. i am proud of it. it is still law. >> senator morse, you did something career politicians would never do. don't take risks like this. certainly as senate leaders, leaders of legislative body, do not take risks like this. they don't risk their own jobs. i am sitting here tonight in awe of both of you the i have to say especially your leadership in the senate on this. did you know as you were moving this through the senate that this could cost you your job? and cost it in a recall? >> certainly. i mean we didn't expect that. but as a democrat in el paso
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county. people talk about recalling me all the time. it was ain't nen't a new, new i. when they filed the petition. we knew it had potential. on the 2 1st 1st of april. we were sure we would face a recall election. we hoped to prevail in it. but i said back in march. you know, if making colorado, safer from gun violence cost me me political career, a really small price to pay. because the family members, they pay a huge price. each and every day. and it really is up to their elected leaders, everywhere through out the country to stand up for those folks and -- make sure this never happens to any body else ever again. >> angela giron, what would you say to career politicians out there in all 50 states. who are afraid of exactly this kind of moment? they're afraid of having to face a life without elective office.
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what do you hope to find in your life after elective office? >> you know when i joined the senate three years ago my first elective office. i said i wanted to leave with integrity and respect from my constituents and from myself. so i an leaving the office. certainly not on my terms. certainly with the self-respect, and integrity, and so i would want that for every elected official. because that's, i mean, in the end all you have is yourself. you are looking at yourself in the mirror. >> senator morse, what would you tell your colleagues is the lesson of this story. >> so i really think, from a distance, the lesson appears to be, you know, you can't dupe thi -- can't do this. the nra will take you out. if you look beneath the surface. the nra was able to turn out 9,100 votesen my d ein my distr. a weird confluence. we didn't get mail-in ballots.
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70% use mail-in ballots. that got taken away from us. the reality is, the nra didn't do that great of a job here. true, we deidn't turn out the voters, we were frustrated about. when you look at it. they turned out less than 11% of the electorate for this thing everybody was up in arms about. of course up in arms that, that you got to reload after cranking 15 round. background check, pay for it yourself, got to get your training for concealed weapons permit in person. instead of online. we moved federal law, state law, domestic violence. keep people safe in those situations. those are the five things we did that raise the ruckus. just common sense things, angela something jested. i really th -- suggested. everybody expects us to stand up for them. people like you are saying, what you did is brave, courageous.
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and all of that. i denton't agree. it is common sense the what we were sent to denver to do. folks disagreed. and get the signatures. bring events together. yes, we are going to step aside. we are still going to fight very hard for these, use. >> angela giron when the issues came up and you knew you had to vote on them, did you have any moments of thinging abut maybe i should play this safe. maybe there is a safer way for me to go? >> well, no. i didn't have very much experience at all. i really did my home work. i had three town halls. i went to my first gun show. went shooting with lady after i got in vi tags frvitation from shows. i tried to learn and duo my hom work. the nra was no longer a gun owners organization. but has become a manufacturers organization. when i learned that. this was so modest. we could do this little piece. that was, i was proud to take that vote as i, today.
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and am still proud i took that vote. >> senator morse, giron. thank you for joining us tonight. you have -- the admiration of -- of believers in what you have done all over the country. thank you very much. >> you are welcome. >> thank you, lawrence. >> coming up -- george zimmerman was handcuffed and accused of threatening his estranged wife with a gun and hitting her father. so why wasn't he arrested? next with the story. and later -- anthony weiner waves a special good-bye to the new york press. mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004.
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>> he was -- just a very smart, sharp young guy. and we just got to be very close to him. >> in the spotlight tonight, george zimmerman. on monday, shellie zimmerman, george zimmerman's wife who filed for divorce place aid panicked call to 911 claiming george was threatening her and her father with a gun at her parents' home in florida. >> he is in his car. he has his hand on his gun. he keeps saying, step closer and, just threatening all of us. >> step closer and what? >> and he is going to shoot us.
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>> okay. >> he punched my dad in the nose. my dad has a mark on his face. i saw his glasses were on the floor. he accosted my father. and then took my ipad out of my hands and smashed it and cut it with a pocketknife. i don't know what he is capable of. i am really, really scared. >> here is the police report released with the names redacted, shellie zimmerman's version of what happened. she state she'd begin to record everything on her ipad. she told george, she was recording him. and called her attorney. she stated george went around the house continuing to take pictures, and stuck his arm inside her father's truck. she state she'd told george, he was not allowed inside her father's truck. she then came through the front door and locked it. she heard her father yelling and ran to the garage door. she stated she saw her father's glasses on the floor, and a red mark on his nose. she stated her recorder shut off
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at this point so she started it back up. george took the ipad from her hands. she stated she does not remember any word that were exchanged at this point. she stated they stepped out into the garage. at this point. she stated when george took her ipad, she felt shocked, powerless, and shaken. she stated they ended up in the driveway when george smashed the ipad on his leg, and then took out a knife and pride it open. she stated george threw the ipad on the ground. she stated george reached his hand into his shirt to what she assumed was a gun. when george said to her father, step closer, she stated, at this time, she called law enforcement. she stated her father said to george, "what are you going to do?" shoot me?" after consulting with his client, george zimmerman's lawyer said this. >> what he did like anyone with a responsible gun ownership made sure it didn't go anywhere.
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he put his hand to make sure the gun was holstered under his shirt and stayed there the whole time >> video footage shows shellie zimmerman following george zimmerman apparently recording him. the video then shows george zimmerman smashing that ipad to the ground. today, a police spokesperson said this about that ipad. >> we had an opportunity to take a good hard look at that ipad. the ipad is in really bad shape. at this point we do not have the tools available to effectively look at the video on the ipad. as it stand right now there will not be any charges any time soon without that ipad. >> joining me now, joy reid. when i listen to the 911 call, another 911 call involving george zimmerman. and you hear the terror in shellie zimmerman's voice. this is the woman who knows him better than anyone in the world.
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you hear her, she quotes her father, who knows george zimmerman well, who says to george zimmerman, are you going to shoot me? they think that is a possibility. they think that is a very real possibility. and it sound to me like a version of the 911 call, that trayvon martin martin never got to make. what would have been in his voice? and, being confronted by this man with that gun? >> no, absolutely. i think that is one of the thing that constantly gets lost in the stories. there is nothing theoretical about somebody confronting you with a gun or believing that you are being confronted by some one with a gun. people robbed in banks, robbed at gun point. just the thought of a gun. it breed terror. you can hear genuine terror in her voice. shelley zip has done some things to ruin her own credibility to be honest with you, walking away from saying that she believed it was a gun. changing her mind on that. changing her story. refusing to press charges, if
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she was so terrified. the logical next step if your attorney is there, for your attorney to add vie yvise you. have charges. and that tape, sound very authentic. terror in it sound authentic. >> wher here is why you don't wo press charges? you want him to have as much money as possible. if you press charges, the nra money and defense fund, dries up. it's gone and he is worth nothing. >> that is the suspicion of most observers of the case. shellie zimmerman is getting stipend. living on that. neither of them to an one's knowledge are working or have income. >> when they were sourcing money for the defense fund. did they say, this is going for marital dissolution payments to my soon to be ex-wife.
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>> supposed to be going to legal expenses. he has not paid his lawyer. living expenses they don't live together. interestingly enough they weren't living together on the night of the shooting. because of a previous fight. shellie zimmerman moved out of their home at the retreat at twin lakes. in this case she moved out of her own father's property. that house you showed, belongs to her dad. she moved out. they're having marital difficulties. there is some one that knows there are times to get away from george citzenship. they're bound together by one thing, that is money. >> and, o'mara, the lawyer for george zimmerman has had had enough of representing george zimmerman and his new adventures apparently. off awe ye he was george zimmerman's lawyer on this incident. police friend say is highly unusual, domestic violence case for lawyers to show up. he did. made the statements you played. yes, george had the gun secured.
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want to make sure it wasn't moving around. there was a statement. there was no gun. then the gun in the car. woman in the car said there was a gun. the gun has been moving around. >> o'mara, very, very good lawyer. mark o'mara does not go in front without talking to george zimmerman about the gun that mark o'mara talked about in the driveway. the gun that has now disappeared with the help of shellie zimmerman who is in the divorce case with george zimmerman. >> mark o'mara has experience with the client. lost previous attorneys. he was dishonest about raising money. calling sean hannity. and was not honest about how much money was in the defense fund when he went before the judge and declared him indigent. issues of truthfulness. when it comes to the issue of guns. i am with you. i can't imagine this experienced attorney would go before the cameras and say there was a gun when there was no gun. >> the real george zimmerman revealed once again in a 911
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>> this morning at the exact time the world trade center came under attack 12 years ago, president obama and michelle obama and vice president biden and joe biden observed a moment of silence on the white house south lawn. the president then went to the pentagon to commemorate those who lost their lives there. at the pentagon. president obama said this. >> secretary hagel, general dempsey, members of our armed forces, and most of all the survivors who bear the wound of that day and the families of those we lost, it is an honor to beep with ybe here with you aga remember the tragedy of 12 septs -- 12 september as go to honor
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the greatness of all who responded and stand with those who still grieve and provide them some measure of comfort once more. we pray for the memory of all those taken from us. nearly 3,000 innocent souls. our hearts still ache for the futures snatched away. the lives, that might have been. they left this earth, they slipped from our grasp, but it was written, "what the heart has once owned and had it shall never lose. we pray for all those who have stepped forward in the years of war, diplomats who serve in dangerous posts as we saw last year on this day in benghazi, intelligence officials unseen and unheralded who protect us in every way, our men and women ununiform who defend this country that we love. this its path we have traveled together. these are the wounds that
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continue to heal. and this is the faith in god and each other that carries us through. let us have the confidence and the value that make us americans. which we must never lose. the shining liberties that make us a beacon of the world. the rich diversity that makes us stronger. the unity and commitment to one another that we sustain on this national day of service and remembrance. above all let us have the courage like -- like the survivors and families here today, to carry on no matter how dark the night or how difficult the day. you who have made me see many troubles and calamities, will revive me again. and from the depths of the earth you will bring me up again. you will increase my greatness and you will comfort me again. may god bless the memory of those that we lost. may he comfort you and your
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families. and may god bless these united states of america. i like a clean kitchen. i don't do any cleaning. i make dirt. ♪ very, very heavy. i'm not big enough or strong enough for this. there should be some way to make it easier. [ doorbell rings ] [ morty ] here's a box, babe. open it up. oh my goodness! what is a wetjet? some kind of a mopping device. there's a lot of dirt on here. morty, look at how easy it is. it's almost like dancing. [ both humming ] this is called the swiffer dance. you raise her spirits. we tackled your shoulder pain. you make him rookie of the year. we took care of your cold symptoms. you take him on an adventure.
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>> bill de blasio came in first. the guy who came in fifth got almost as much attention. anthony weiner's final conversation of the campaign, a hand signal given from the car, one finger on his left hand. the finger has been seen in new york newspapers and all over the new york media. when it was shown on this network "morning joe" i was sitting there on the "morning joe" set it was being pixilated, because the powers that be, thought it would do damage to
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the nation. it is a finger. a finger. we all have two of the fingers of the one that he used. so i spent the day, fighting for truth, justice, and the american finger. and we have the anthony weiner finger to show you as part of our new york city mayoral coverage. that's coming up next. [ male an] 1.21 gigawatts. today, that's easy. ge is revolutionizing power. supercharging turbines with advanced hardware and innovative software. using data predictively to help power entire cities. so the turbines of today... will power us all... into the future. ♪
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political star tonight. dante deblasio. >> i want to tell you a little bit about bill de blasio. a may your for every new yorker, no matter where they live or what they look like. i would say that even itch f he weren't my dad. >> that ad helped propel his father into a first place finish last night in the democratic primary for mayor. that may be the best television ad i have ever seen in a campaign. the results have not been certified. bill de blasio has 40.33% of the vote in a can test that requires a run-off if no candidate gets above 40%. thompson, 26.23%. new york city officials expect a final count next week. the candidate who brought the most national media attention to the campaign, anthony weiner, finished fifth, with 4.93% of
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the vote. when anthony weiner finished his concession speech at a midtown bar, rube yey cramer, reports s heard anthony weiner's mother say, so it's over we'll have to see what happens now. what happens now seemed like a fair question to anthony weiner any mother and assembled press corps. when a producer for wnbc-tv, asked anthony weiner -- what's your plan for tomorrow? mr. weiner got in a car and answered the question with his middle finger. which you are seeing right there. no rush to take that down. joining me, co-hosts of msnbc's "the cycle" -- you will cede your visual time off to the finger. keep the finger up? >> sure, why not? >> torre, dante de blasio, never
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seen anything like it in political campaigning. amazing. a turning point you could trace? >> yes, a turning point in the race. i loved the ad. it moved me deeply. and you know, i think, especially for the black and brown people in new york, stop and frisk was mate jthe major in the race. to have bill de blasio be the most vociferous. it was personal. he had credibility. he is standing there with his black son. the sort of person who would be stopped and frisked in bloomberg's america. tremendous credibility. it is extraordinary he got over 40% of the black vote when there is a black candidate in the race as well who also got 40%. but to have this black wife and two black kids, beautiful standing beside him, that was very powerful. you know, also to have, may your bloomberg. come out and say it was racist
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to put his black son proudly in these ad is so despicable and dumb. and shows a complete misunderstanding of what racism is. to put your son in an ad beside you is not racism. racially profiling 100% of the young black men in new york that is racism. >> there were issues in the campaign. beyond just stop and frisk, which absolutely, is so right. that was so perfectly handled. by de blasio. what were the things that separated bill de blasio, to the point he could run of this number. over christine quinn and bill thompson. >> combination of policing and issues, race, equality. plus housing, voters who cared most about housing, went for de blasio. we have a fairly large black electorate in the city. 28% of democrats who voted to define themselves.
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they split 42-42. that was not the case down ballot. spitzer did much better among african-american voters who remember his tenure, springer won. hou he is a billionaire. we don't hoeld it against them. comfortable with capitalism. he acted too much, like a billionaire. he want nude rulhe wanted new r. he went along with his orchestration to get an extra term. it is how rich people want special rules. and it hurt her. >> the idea of inequality. progressives often talk about. two cities or two americas, at a national level. that was huge for deblasio. some people outside new york may forget. a minority/majority city. more black, brown, asian people here than white people. >> then there is jewish people too.
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>> absolutely. >> actually this is a national, analogy that you can't just win national elections just apae appealing to white people. and de blasio showed how you can appeal. >> bill de blasio has momentum. assuming he locks this up. he has tremendous momentum. we may be well on our way. if bill de blasio eliminates stop and frisk as we know it there will be a stop and frisk mentality in new york city police cars. what will it do to that mentality when those officers know there is a possibility on this one i might be stopping the mayor's kid? >> well you, know, you are right there is already a mentality, i look back at a -- james baldwin essay from 1980 from the nation. he talked about governor rockefeller imposing stop and frisk, right. it goes back to stops in the
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six, right. so that mentality precede giuliani, bloomberg, i have talked to police officers. they're saying they're more scared to do >> the instant the second plane hit the second tower the looks exchanged in the studio were chilling. >> they were eyewitnesss to history. >> there has been a declaration of war by terrorists on the united states.
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