to sell us syria, he should have taken a page from the people's selling us siri. because pushing the iphone and a war are a lot alike. you just say that the new one i. say the new one is smaller, faster and cheaper people will buy one. even though they got one and still paying off the previous model. all right. welcome to "morning joe." look at that beautiful shot of new york city. good morning, everyone. it's thursday, september 12. with us on set we have msnbc contributor mike barnacle. where have you been all my life? >> rehab. >> we have the president, at least he's honor northeast, president on foreign relations, richard haas. good to see you. and in washington, senior political editor for the "huffington post." so willie, i think we'll begin

with vladimir putin's message to america. >> does it say anything in the paper this morning. >> just a bit. let's get everybody up to date on syria. the focus is on the diplomatic push to eliminate assad regime's stockpile of chemical weapons. john kerry is in russia with a team to begin talks with his russian counter part. but as the world watches to see if u.s. air strikes can be averted the white house is refusing to put a timetable on negotiations. >> it obviously will take some time, there are technical aspects involved in developing a plan for securing syria's chemical weapons and verifying their location and putting them under international control. so i expect that this will take some time. but, we also are not interested in delaying tactics, and we believe it's very important to hold assad accountable.

>> two nights ago president obama directly addressed the american people. well now, vladimir putin is doing the same. in a "new york times" op-ed written by the russian president he questions america's role as a superpower writing in part, quote, this, it is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the united states. is it in america's long term interest? i doubt it. millions around the world increasingly see america not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force. could beling coalitions together under the slogan you're either with us or against us. putin went on to say a strike would destabilize the middle east. he also writes this, my working and personal relationship with president obama is marked by growing trust. i appreciate this. i carefully studied his address to the nation on tuesday and i

would rather disagree with a case he made on american exceptionalism. stating that the united states' policy is what makes america different. it's what makes us exceptional. that's the president's quote. it is creamily dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional whatever the motivation. there are big countries and small countries rich and poor those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. their policies differ too, we are all different but when we ask for the lord's blessing, we must not forget that god created us equal. >> what's he doing, not just with this op-ed in the "new york times," america's leading newspaper, but also by seizing on the comments from secretary of state kerry the other day and say yes we'll put together this deal.

is this anything more than a stalling tactic, what is he using against us? >> two things. first he can't resist gloating. one gets the sense vodka and ok caviar are flowing heavily these days. this is his moment after decades of russian humiliation to remind everyone russia is back. russia had a special status for four decades during the cold war. this is a way telling the united states you can be a great power and run the world without us, guess what, you can't. we can make things better for you or worse. there's threats in this op-ed. he says we can do things in iran or other places. don't think you can ignore russian interests. >> do you put any stock as vladimir putin as being a broker of this peace. >> that's the larger issue. obama lost control in two

directions. he lost control with congress by requiring their authorization. now he's lost control to russia and the u.n. security council, to france and this has to now play out. the danger for mr. obama and for the united states has been that russia and syria do just enough cooperation not to resolve the problem but to make it politically impossible for the united states to bring this to a head and to use military force. >> isn't there an equal danger to the russians from extremists within the rebels who are aimed at taking over syria? >> absolutely. russia has to worry about extremists within its own country, it has to worry about spread of weapons of mass destruction around iran and syria. how it can ofeffect stability. putin is saying you have to support assad because the alternative to assad are bad guys, extremists. one of the things they worked with us in afghanistan, one of

the reasons they worked with us on terrorism. he's basically saying you and me have a common cause. that said he can't resist the temptation to use syria for this larger point of reminding us of russia as centrality. we and the russians do have concern about al qaeda but he, for example, nowhere admits or recognizes there are elements of the opposition that are legitimate and doesn't say anything about the illigetimacy. >> richard engel spoke to one of these fighters with the agreement that we do not show his face. take a look. >> translator: if muslims any where are oppressed and can't defend themselves we have to support them. >> the united states is considering launching military strikes against syria. would that help you? >> translator: we have a prayer,

oh, allah please annihilate our enemies. >> why are you so happy? >> translator: because this was a dream for me to wage jihad, to believe for allah and no other. >> richard reports turkish residents are becoming concerned of the amount of al qaeda extremists moving through taxpayer towns becoming a danger to their communities. after months of delay it's now being reported the cia has begun delivering weapons to the syrian opposition on both those notes richard haas first of all, you get a sense of how deeply, deeply disturbing the conflict could become but any idea as to even some openings as to how this would play out? >> well -- the answer is sure. >> i saw you shaking your head

while the guy was talking. >> this is the latest graduate school for terrorists. ray kelly the commissioner of police was talking a few days ago and said people are coming back to countries like the united states after this experience. so this does have a potential, if you will for blow back throughout the middle east but not just there. what happens there if you will won't stay there. that was the case with afghanistan, potentially the case with syria and part of the price we arguably pay for having delayed by not getting in there more earlier. now as you said sending arms. if he sent arms one or two years we could have strengthened elements of the opposition who were not as radical. but there's a balance or tilting of direction of the groups that are offshoots of al qaeda. that's one of the problems. the alternative to assad government increasingly is in its own unattractive or worse as the assad government. >> sam stein has a question for

you. >> i thought there was a logical flaw in the putin op-ed. on one hand he said assad wasn't responsible for this august 21st attack the rebel groups were. on the other hand he said we need to get chemical weapons from assad. i don't know how you turn around and say it was the rebel groups that had the chemical weapons attack. it looks like the u.n. will report back that basically from their understanding from their against the chemical weapons were likely used by assad, circumstantial evidence strongly suggests that. how does this affect this new diplomatic solution. will that be too big of a hurdle for putin to get behind yes it looks like assad was responsible for this. >> it's not whether assad used the chemical, most people will say he did. how do you get physical cuss disof the chemicals in the midst of a civil war.

this is more critical than the liberation of libya. you're talking about thousands and thousands of munitions and the idea of gaining physical custody while the bullets flying is extraordinarily complicated and the white house is reluctant to introduce timelines is dangerous. this could play out in ways that could be very long term and very bad for the united states. >> let's talk about what's happening in washington as it per takes to all of this. looked like several weeks ago president obama was ready to go, ready for action. he paused and decided to get congressional approval and now pausing again to consider this proposal that comes from vladimir putin about containing the weapons from syria. is military action as we sit here this morning with this op-ed in the paper more or less likely than two or three weeks ago when the president seemed ready to go. >> much less likely for two reasons. one if you do go to congress it's a certainty at this point it won't pass.

i'm not sure how the administration goes about authorizing military action in the immediate future if congress says no. secondly now we have this diplomatic opening that i think the administration has to pursue if only because there's a chance you could end up in a better situation than if you had military authorization which is that you end up getting some of the chemical weapons even if it's 90% of the chemical weapons that's better than what you would have had in the alternate setting. the irony and it's easy to dismiss the putin op-ed because a lot of it is ridiculous, but the irony is in the long run or sorry in the last couple of days you've had a weird good cop bad cop develop between russia and the united states with respect to syria and if russia were to come in and take credit for a diplomatic solution i wouldn't be surprised if the administration wouldn't be pleased with that because in the end it comes to getting the chemical weapons out of syria

and long term how to solve a civil war. we'll go to colorado now. democrats are claiming colorado residents were kept from exercising their rights to vote yesterday as republicans won a recall effort of two state senators. dnc chairwoman wasserman-schultz said the recall elections in colorado were defined by the vast array of obstacles that special interests threw in the way of voters for the purpose of reversing the will of the legislature and the people. this was voter suppression pure and simple. the recall was in large part because of strict engineer gun regulations. now it appears colorado republicans have their eyes set on a much larger target. at least six republicans are considering challenging the governor in 2014, republicans are upset with the governor's position on gun control and his support for a $950 million

education takes hike among other issues and, sam, especially on gun control gives us a sense of the political landscape there? >> yes. this is hugely a motivating factor in colorado. we knew this when we were in the midst of the gun debates last winter which is that a good chunk of republicans and conservatives tend to vote, tend to be single issue voters. they like to vote and motivated to vote on guns. in an off year cycle when you have recall elections like this that's tough for the opposition to get over. so you had races where something like 24%, 35% for each of these recalls which is very small among the registered voter pool but enough to get these people kicked out of office. doesn't reverse the gun policies from the books but this is the danger that people have, lawmakers have when they vote for gun legislation knowing there's a good chunk of the

electorate that will be opposed to you and potentially there no knock you off if you do it. mike bloomberg has had a rough couple of weeks. he's another one. mike bloomberg. nra and gun groups have been able to make this about a liberal new york city mayor, and he hasn't gotten out of the way. >> certainly worked in colorado. they made him a principal target along with the recall movement. there's much more intensity. among pro gun people than anti-gun people. they turn out, we don't. >> yeah. remember that was 14 months ago that shooting in youaurora, colorado. these long held beliefs of gun

rights advocate trump the case of colorado. >> we'll see what happens. it was a big setback for a lot of people in colorado and a lot of people that believed like mike bloomberg believed regarding background checks and other issues like that. but, you know, got a lot more battles ahead. >> sign of the times. what do you think of the concept of priests marrying? >> i love this pope. >> was that a misquote or did he say it didn't matter whether he believed in god or not. because that's going by the base, don't you think? really? it doesn't matter. >> it's great. >> listen, i like frankie. this whole i'm okay you're okay only goes so far. >> believe what you want to believe. >> that's what he said. >> or don't believe at all >> you're okay, i'm okay. you do that up to a point and

then i think there's a bright red line in the sand and he crossed it. >> where did you get that phrase? >> i don't know. i'll disregard it next week. >> were you ready. pope francis appears to be willing to accept some historic changes the way the catholic church is run. the vow of celibacy is on the table. >> have no problem with that. gate married believe in god. >> nbc's chris jansing has the story. >> reporter: in st. peter's square a huge audience. crowds have quadrupled. the suggestion from his new number two that the idea of married priests is open to discussion. it's already got people talking. >> this pope is saying hey we

got a gem here, am i open to listening to people talk about it and wondering how we can make it more effective you bet. >> reporter: nobody expects to see married priests any time soon but for this pope subjects like this aren't off the table. pope francis has changed the tone. emphasizing on church teaching of helping the poor and social justice. his weekend peace vigil against the war in syria drew more than 100,000 people while thousands more around the world prayed in a surprising open letter to an italian paper he extended a hand to agnostics and atheists. he's getting close to people, kissing baby and joining the crowds and many trappings are gone. he drives a 20-year-old renault with 190,000 miles on it. he calls the faithful out of the blue to respond their letters. >> we're seeing a pope who is

less interested in closing doors than he is in opening windows. >> reporter: but what about married priest? there are a few already who married first and then converted to catholicism. father hurd has a wife and three kids. >> some people are aware of the exception and some are floored. some things will say oh, they let you keep your wife. >> reporter: a different take on the priesthood as pope francis shapes a new catholic church. >> i'm trying to get through this whole conscience thing. >> you'll be there a long time. >> anti-biblical as you can be. >> it's fascinating. he's fascinating. >> i think he is too. don't cross that red line. >> one person totally changed the debate. >> he really has. >> listen, obviously priests, i'm sorry, priests need to get

married. there's nothing biblical about priests not getting married. >> true. if they don't expand that horizon, if they don't allow priests to get married there will be no more priests in 20 years. >> if there are there will be a lot more scandals. >> true. >> what? >> i'm not sure. the issue of the vow of celibacy is a serious one and you can't turn it around because it doesn't work. >> what do you mean it doesn't work? it doesn't work? can we say it doesn't work? yeah. >> don't look at me. >> i think the -- i think the catholic church's track record on such matters speaks for itself. i think when you ask -- first of

all, forget about the celibacy part. what if you're having problems with your kids? what if you're having problems with your marriage? do you want to go to somebody that's actually walked a mile in your shoes and actually has three crazy kids, you know, screaming at night when he comes back from the church or do you want to have some guy that lives in a monastery who has no idea what you're going through now. >> if you take your child to mass now the lowest point is when a pastor, 65, 70 years of age stand up to give a sermon and they just, no connection. no connection to what he's saying to the vast majority of young people in front of him. >> suggest this sunday when you go to mass don't sit in the front row. they are not going to love you. >> do you think he ever sits in

the front row. i went to pensacola catholic high school. if the catholic church is to remain relevant they can do so while people believe in god and people who preach the gospel can relate it back to their families and their struggles and can relate to your struggles. i'm sorry a guy that's never been through marriage or raising 47 kids, please not only can you not relate to the problems that parents are going through, you can't relate to the culture that's going on right now because there's, unfortunately, as we all know it's our kids that drag us into the popular culture that makes young people disconnected from the church that you are talking about. >> he's also done so many symbolic things to bring himself

down the level of the people. watching the feed of the prisoners. he was asked about monsignor who was in a gay relationship and his quote, this is from the pope, who am i to judge. that's a pretty remarkable thing for him to say. he's making moves. >> 190,000 renault. >> that's impressive. >> i want the carfax. >> all right. coming up on "morning joe" two of the best political advisors in the best, james carrville and steve schmidt and jeffrey donovan from "burn notice" and billy crystal will join us. up next top stories on the political playbook. but first bill karins. >> unfortunately, in boulder, colorado, a night to forget. historic flooding, 100 year type flash flooding hit the region. flash flood emergencies in effect, one person tied in the

town of james toup outside of boulder a building collapsed because of the high water. they ordered everyone to higher ground. the city is impassable. they told the police and fire trucks to go to higher ground until the water recedes. no access to these small towns in the foot hills in colorado. horrible situation and it continues to rain. as far as other concerns today. areas in the northeast, strong cold front going through means thunderstorms just like yesterday. watch out from scranton through the catskills to albany, vermont, new hampshire and airports in the big cities later this afternoon could have significant delays as those thunderstorms roll through and bring in a much cooler air mass after yesterday's heat wave. the rest of the country looks okay, morning rain for you in illinois and indianapolis but by far the worst weather this morning in colorado, a city of boulder under a flash flood emergency. you're watching "morning joe" on this thursday. ♪

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. 26 past the hour. time now to take a look at the morning papers. "new york times," satellite photo shows steam billowing out of the repaired nuclear reactor at a complex in north korea. if the steam is an indication of the reactor restarting, north korea could begin to add to its north korea arsenal. within a year. the complex had been closed since 2008. >> "chicago sun-times," chicago city council signed a new ordinance banning guns in establishments that serve liquor. bullets and liquor don't mix. bars and restaurants will put a sign on the window prohibiting

guns. this is attempt around illinois concealed carry law. san francisco chronicle yahoo! users are up. the site sees 8 million users monthly. this does not include traffic from the site tumbler. the bad news online ad revenues continue to struggle. she hopes to turn that around in the next three years. >> from the "l.a. times," facebook stocks reach an all time high, rising to $45. facebook stock had fallen as low as $18. that is, of course, after initially being offered at 38. willie and i put the buy on i want at 18. it's been going up ever since. facebook continues to get mobile advertising which accounts for 41% of its revenue.

>> "wall street journal" according to a new survey, 8% of millennials bring their parents along to job interviews. >> what? these people seriously. stay in your basement -- >> that number includes of 3% sam did that. had their parent sit in during the interview. >> i brought my mom with me. >> with your elmo lunch box. >> it's a power ranger lunch box. >> i'm embarrassed for millennials. >> you should be. say hi to your mom for me. >> some companies are embracing this trend instituting events like take your parents to work day. >> come on. you people, grow up! what in the world, willie geist? >> can't show syria that kind of weakness. >> oh, my god.

putin, no wonder -- that's why putin can start writing in our newspapers. >> i know. >> don't know. >> by the way, putin is now -- willie i got a question four. putin is no russian journalist. >> right. >> should he get more production? >> from himself? >> from himself. he might get angry at something and shoot himself. he's done it before. it's a brain teaser. it's the truth. >> you're crazy. designee kills journalists at will and so -- >> yes, he does. >> barnacle says imagine making me his editor. vlad, i don't think we should -- you're right. >> i don't see that being much different on "morning joe." >> let's go to patrick gavin. he has a look at the politico

playbook. >> mom and dad pipe down over there. >> bring your parent to work day. >> at politico. >> so patrick your lead story up there, the most popular on your website is a story about the coke brothers going behind the curtain what you're calling a secret bank impact on republican politics. >> we've been feeling around the elephant of the coke brothers and now getting a sight at it. now they have to file an irs filing, a group called freedom partners which is an outlet for coke brothers endorsed colleges and organizations they have had to file an irs filing. what they will reveal is $250 million spent this last election cycle which makes them the second biggest, you call them sugar daddy for conservative colleges in the last election. second only to karl rove's crossroads gps. say what you want about campaign finance in this country the fact that that group has gone unknown

until now is quite surprising. what they are hoping to do is ease the blow of the news of this by jumping ahead of that irs filing. some of the groups that they donated to, everything from the nra to the chamber of commerce, also to the senate to protect patient rights which was a group that opposed obama care. they got $115 million. the president was asked of freedom group what did that money get you concerning romney lost. they said we're looking for towards the long term. so starting to see the skeleton of the big arm of the conservative cause. >> the coke brothers, of course, become bogeymen. how influential are they actually on republican and conservative politics? >> very influential. look at the amount of money they spent, the amount of groups they donate to. to be fair democrats have their

own democratic donors that linger in the shadows. this is a 501 cb. they have to disclose where their money goes. just membership into freedom partners is $100,000 in annual dues. when you look at the fact that they are the second biggest contributor to conservative groups in the last election cycle no doubt it has a huge influence on politics in this country. >> interesting piece. patrick, we'll look at the playbook. thanks. coming up new york yankees places der exjeter on the disabled list ending his season but could it be the end much his career. yankees only a game out of the playoffs somehow some way. we'll show you why the braves had words with marlins star rookie jose fernandez. sports is next. [ woman ] if you have the audacity to believe

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time for some sports. baseball getting really interesting. especially the american league. let's start you off in tampa. red sox and rays tie in the

10th, first base is loaded. deep to center. does it year the wall? yea. grand slam. red sox wins blows open the game 7-3. up 9 1/2 games. >> that's crazy. >> so the intrigue is for the wild card, the red sox has the division locked up. baltimore yankees and orioles tied in the ninth. robinson cano breaks it. the yankees win 5-4. >> amazing. >> with that rein and rays lost yankees are one game out of the playoffs. texas and tampa tied at the top. baltimore only a game and a half out. cleveland a game and a half out. kansas city is only two game out. >> you're kidding me? >> six teams all have a shot for two spots. >> yankees. they've had such a rough tough year but joe girardi that guy --

>> shock. unbelievable. >> look at the lineup they trout. some of the pitchers. all their marquee guys have been on the dl at one point. >> if you get to the playoffs, anything can happen. remember the cardinals beating the phillies. >> they are doing it all in a very small microcosm payroll of $280 million. >> those guys aren't playing. >> exactly. >> all right. not all good news for the yankees. derek jeter spent last night's game watching, back on the dl. to prevent any further damage to ankle will shut him down for the season. some people are wondering if he's done. he's not done. >> let's go to national league. miami/braves. jose fernandez hits his first career home run and takes a good long look at it and spitz rounding third base.

oh, oh. the braves didn't like. the bench is cleared. they come out the catcher has a word with fernandez. play the game right way. little pushing, little shoving, no punches. >> 5-2. braves in total control. jets quarterback, gino smith will be under center if the jets go to new england for thursday night football. mark sanchez may be headed for surgery. the jets quarterback has a tear in his right shoulder. >> that was a good call. >> he'll have surgery. sanchez says it's reckless to assume he's out for the season. >> let me tell you what's reckless. your coach putting him in the infuriate quarter of a pre-season game. so behind a third string line. >> sources are saying it is unlikely mark sanchez will suit up for another game this season. gino smith is your guy. >> two years in a row he didn't suit up for a game.

>> yeah. >> this guy. >> ouch. >> all right. >> how long does rex survive? >> we'll see how long the season goes. they won a game on sunday. >> he won't get through the two and six. >> nfl games, you like to go and have a beer. >> who doesn't. >> 12 ounces. oh, my goodness. there's a study i'm told from team marketing.com here's lionse the most for beer. >> detroit is rolling in cash. >> exactly. why not. >> you have to drink to watch the lions. >> i don't know.

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>> adopt me. yes, somehow after 12 years of captain sodanarc, i think new york city might be ready for a charismatic biracial family that were beamed here from the 1970s variety musical special. >> 46 past the hour. we'll get to the must read in a moment. >> stepping out. >> so it turns out anthony weiner was right he did come in first place in the new york city's mayor's race. he took home the honor of being the candidate who spent the most money per vote. here's the breakdown. weiner spent $148 per vote. christine quinn 40. bill thompson 32 per vote and

the winner spent $20 per vote. at's kind of interesting. >> christine quinn a drop there. >> "new york times" had a cool interactive map showing who won where. she only won the upper east said where the bloomberg supporters reside but didn't win anywhere else. >> isn't that all you need to win? >> willie and barnacle will do our must read. there can only be one read. i feel i can't bring what they could bring to it because it is the voice of vladimir putin. speaking to the american people i think we're getting an education here. >> we are. >> interpretive read. >> vladimir putin in today's "new york times" op-ed page my working and personal relationship with president obama sparked by growing trust. i appreciate this, i carefully studied his address to the nation on tuesday and i would

rather disagree with the case he made with american exceptionalism stating american policy is what makes america different. it's what makes us exception jam unquote. it's dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional what ever the motivation. there are big countries, small country, rich and poor, those with long democratic tradition and those still fining their way to democracy. their poirls different. we're all different. when we ask for the lord's blessings one must not forget god created us equal. >> the pope moving way from god and putin moving towards god. >> and he closes with one simple line i must break you. >> there's good and bad in everyone. >> let's turn to richard haas. >> do you have anything? >> no that was the highlight. >> murdering journalists. >> stop. >> he is one now. >> may not kill as many per

capita in russia. >> won't kill himself. >> given what the russian experience was in georgia, it's good to see that. >> what do we make of this at this point? i have to say personally like this man has been mocking us. >> somebody said -- >> how do we go into business with him. >> now he's basically doing doughnuts in obama's front yard. >> i don't know the russian word for chutzpa, but this is basically putin doing something of a victory lap. think about it. for 2 1/2 decades he's practiced the politics and foreign policy of resentment. soviet union lost the cold war they lost their territory. this is a payback. this is a way of saying we still matter. you americans are so arrogant. you are in trouble and you came to us. putin essentially venting and

taking something of a victory lap. >> he's back on the big stage. >> exactly. >> it's interesting also, what i do, i drive around. i drive around in pickup trucks and listen to talk radio. >> you're kidding. >> smoking and having a beer. you can do that in the state i live while you're driving. and there are some talk radio show hosts who were actually siding with putin. just because putin is against obama. >> that's just -- >> but i'm going to side with vladimir putin and you see it online, it's a little crazy. >> that's the landscape. >> try to give him a congressional medal. >> it is possible to be addicted to the internet? >> yes. >> yes, it is. it causes depression. >> i know a few too elm. >> why digital rehab is getting more and more attention.

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♪ we hit it on time at least. we have democratic political strategist and co-author of the book "it's the middle class stupid" james carrville and former senior campaign strategist for the 2008 mccain campaign and now an msnbc political analyst steve schmidt. >> you can talk about your syria, you can talk about your putin, but we're talking about what's important here, james carrville, we're talking about johnny football. >> alabama and everything. >> and you say, you're all in.

>> i hope a&m wins but i fear they are not. i'm going to bet the other way. nick sabin. he lost. i don't think that man has started much else than beating him. we'll see. >> that's going to be a great game, willie. a great one. i guess saturday night? >> alabama's favorite on the road against what the number five or six team by eight points. that's incredible. so vegas likes alabama too. >> vegas didn't see alabama's offensive line. you saw some of that game. >> the virginia tech game? >> they didn't look that overwhelming but the defense has something for johnny on saturday. >> we begin in syria where the focus -- >> where they don't know who johnny football is. >> they do know who vladimir putin. the focus is on the diplomatic push to eliminate assad regime

chemical weapons. john kerry is in geneva today with a team of arms control experts to begin talks with his russian counterparts. but as the world watches to see if u.s. air strikes can be averted, the white house is refusing to put a timetable on the negotiations. >> it obviously will take some time. there are technical aspects involved in developing a plan for securing syria's chemical weapons and verifying their location and putting them under international control. so i expect this will take some time. but, we also are not interested in delaying tactics, and we believe it's very important to hold assad accountable. >> what does that mean? what does that mean? there's no timelines. we're never going back to congress asking for a strike. >> what it means is the president got out and looked back -- the country didn't want

this. look putin, he's got a shut out right now. >> i was saying earlier, looking like a perfect game. >> earlier somebody said he was rubbing it in the president's face, like he was doing doughnuts in the president's front yard. this op-ed. >> let's go there. >> he's enjoying himself. >> he wrote an op-ed in the "new york times." he does a lot of different things but questions america's role as a superpower, writing in part quote this. it is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the united states. is it in america's long term interest? i doubt it. millions around the world increasingly see america not as a model of democracy but as relying solely onrute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan "you're either with us or against us."

>>omebody else last night said nobody should be allowed to quote this op-ed unless there's irony attached. >> yeah. >> you can't read it without -- >> it's utter nonsense steve schmidt and you wonder -- you just -- i don't know. how do we get to this stage? >> it's remarkable that we're at a point where vladimir putin has somehow taken the moral high ground on these issues. just love to be a fly on the wall in the kremlin when someoe comes up with the idea, mr. president we should put an op-ed in the "new york times" on this. it's an incredible moment. the total failure of american diplomacy, chaos around the issue and take the country a long time from its standing in the world perspective to dig out from this. that's why the president has a lot of hard work ahead. >> is that fair to say? >> i think it's fair. the country is unbelievable skeptical of any foreign

intervention. the iraq thing, the ramifications of the iraq war will last longer and be more profoundly than the vietnam war. when they say 52% support this i haven't met anyone. >> have you met anyone who support this? >> no. >> democrats, republicans, people in the airport whatever says mr. carrville are you sure this is a good idea? >> let me ask you this. this is what's troubling about possibly a disconnect. washington is disconnected from the people and shame on washington for that. and yet now you have bill clinton who supported this. you had hillary clinton who support this. you had bob gates who support this. you had some of the foreign policy establishment most respected people saying we really do need to do this. >> i think what happened is it

happened and the south koreans, the turks you got to go out. the president said yes. the country has become -- the world has become very skeptical of intervention. >> now are we going to stake everything on diplomatic efforts with a guy who slumps in a chair next to president obama in a public event as well as keeps secretary kerry waiting for three hours publicly while cameras are rolling when they are supposed to meet. he mocks us every step of the way. >> absolutely. >> we're depending on that man and depending on assad. >> that's what we're going do. you talk about all those people, secretary gates, people who are esteemed and admired but not one could articulate with any clarity what the strategic purpose of this mission was. none of them. no one in the country understands it. if there's one lesson we should

have learned in the last 12 years our take down of iraq in a couple of weeks with slightly over several thousand men will go down as one of the greatest feats of war. it's easy to get in these places but it's hard to get out. we have no strategy. >> war is like an affair. easy to get into. >> the president knew all this going in. he knew the country was skeptical of any kind of military intervention. he's been around for the 12 years. part of the justification in running for president was to get us out of these things. he knew this before talking about the red line or that assad needed to step aside, this was a moral question. he knew the mood of the country so he must have thought he could bring congress along. he must had had some other plan. >> the president and you've had foreign leaders saying this for

five years and we've heard foreign leaders, we heard diplomats say this to us for five years. there's a part of him that believes the speech is the end. that the speech is not a means to the end, the speech itself is the end. so he goes out and says gadhafi must go yet he has no strategy to do that. then he says mubarek must go but no strategy to do that. he's a prisoner like the rest of us are of events unfolding. then he says assad must go then he draws two red lines in the sand. then he talks how immoral and la week they compare him to hitler and this week they want to do a deal with him. it is chaos. >> look what happened in britain. that was stunning. prime minister who is much bigger deal within parliament than the president in congress, not even a separate branch of government, they lost a vote like that. it was an indication -- look in many ways i think it's a bad deal we've become so

isolationist. >> i agree. i think that's what might be kind of surprising here given your position on syria and that of others who know a lot about this. i think we're a little bit unestimated how wounded our national psyche is. the president has people to look at the video of children being gassed and we still, i think, if you look at the polls and if you talk to anybody, we still just don't want to go there. >> what have wars in the middle east -- the specific region, let's look what's happened over the past 12 years. i'll tell you where it's led me. i was always a pro israel guy. i always have bean pro israel guy. after looking at the chaos in this region in the past 12 years and we start ad lot of it. you look what's happened with iraq. look what's happened in egypt. capes on is all over the place. most americans are looking at

the tv screen, steve schmidt, and going hey i don't want my son or daughter going over there and shooting each other. people always ask why are we so close to israel? why is israel such an ally of our? you know why? because israel is, you know, an oasis of stability. >> an oasis of stability. >> shares more of our values than any other country. >> pro western democracy, a secular society in the heart of all this chaos. and as heartbreaking as these pictures are, sickening as they are what the american people understand about this is that we don't want to be involved in another sectarian middle east year and war where we have little ability to shape the destinies of these countries. this country, our policymakers

don't understand this region of the world. we don't understand the ethnic and religious fault lines and that this country is not in the mood whether you're a republican or a democrat or an independent to be involved in a trillion dollar quagmire. >> james carrville here's what scares me. you know how the saying is general fight a glass war. i under it completely. i was against the number of troops in afghanistan, bosnia, kosovo and the surge at the time it happened because i thought give bush enough rope he had not done well with it. but here we have a case where what we're doing in syria and bill clinton talked about this, is going to have an impact on the leaders. it's not like they are on opposite ends of the globe. they are allies. they couldn't be closer allies. the other is playing with chemical weapons, one is playing with nuclear weapons. the one with nuclear weapons has been at the epicenter of

international terrorism since 1979. so now i think that perhaps the greatest legacy, the worst legacy of iraq may be that when the time came for us to stand up and draw the red line in the sand we were too exhausted to do it and history may show it's why iran, the most unstable, most -- the greatest terror state over the past 30 years it may be how they get their nuclear weapon. >> iran's biggest ally in the world iraq. iranies and iraqies are like that. you had interventions in yemen, tunisia, iraq. i don't agree with them but i understand them. i understand it. >> let's bring in michigandrea . she's traveling with john kerry. what is secretary kerry hope to

accomplish in this meeting today? >> reporter: well, first of all, this is sort of a let them show us the money. this is a test of russians' intent. they are very dismissive of vladimir putin's op-ed. they see it as a pr stunt to grab attention but they say that's not what putin said privately to the president. that's not what putin has been saying to kerry. this has been a long process working up to this and only last week that they thought the russians started to get serious. this is the test. so both side -- here's what's interesting. this is not sergei lavrov meeting with putin. have is coming later. we have a plane load of the top intelligence and weapons experts from the state department and all the agencies and the russians are bringing theirs. what's going to happen here is we're going say you show us

where you think assad's weapons are and we'll show you and they are supposedly if serious start trading intelligence on where the weapons are. they think they are mostly in depots under his control and if the russians are serious about pressuring assad and because his chief arms supplier they can get him to comply if the russians mean this they can figure out a regime where international inspectors will go in. there are international competing arab league members who could go in and somehow secure these weapons. it's not going to be easy. take a year to get them and destroy all of them. this is the first test whether or not this is a serious russian proposal or a pr stunt like that op-ed. >> before i ask andrea the next question, 24 hours ago she was standing on her set, now she's

in geneva. andrea, what do you make -- >> reporter: it's a glamorous life. >> the open epidemic that vladimir putin wrote? i'm almost speechless. >> reporter: i think a couple of things. well, i think a few things. it's brazen. it's a pr stunt, really. he's trying to appeal to the world. but we are seeing reports now that that u.n. report, the preliminary report is going to come out on monday and is going to agree with the united states that the circumstantial evidence from iraq, the artillery shells they collected at the scene of those sites even though it was degraded by five days by having kept out will create a very hard circumstantial but hard case that it was assad and not the rebels. so world opinion is coalescing around the u.s., the british, the french position. it's all a bargaining game and i really see a lot of optimism. this could blow up in a day or two or result in a joint

statement that they are going to the next step. but i handled arms control with reagan in the '80s and first time i came to geneva was for that first gorbachev/reagan meeting. it starts slowly but things happen. if it's going to work you'll begin to see in the next -- you'll see some signals in the body language and see in the next weeks and months they are getting down to serious negotiating. >> andrea mitchell in geneva, thank you so much. >> so we have eight points in the alabama and a&m game. how many days do you give putin and assad before this whole thing blows up? it's not a question of when it's going to blow up, it's when it's going to blow up. >> no doubt. the whole premise of this is preposterous. the only question is how long it will take our policymakers to figure that out.

>> how far is the president going to bend on this? >> it's just going to go on and on and do this and come back. it's a situation we'll live with for the foreseeable future. they will agree to something and then fall off and then do something else. look, i love andrea and she's optimistic. god love her, i hope she's right. i'm a little more pessimistic. >> speaking of pessimism, you talk to people in new york city, liberals, democrats in new york city are worried about de blasio. let's talk about new york city politics. >> look, the guy, what he did was amazing. he got 40% and ran a small campaign. just look at him from a distance, it matters what kind of a campaign you run particularly in the mayor's race. he built the coalition. and who knows what kind of a mayor he'll be, that's another question.

by the way, people in manhattan, manhattan thinks it's the center of the world it's not even the center of new york city when you start voting. people don't like that bloomberg centric manhattan mayor. depalaceo came in and that's why he won. >> when you look at rudy giuliani and bloomberg together you have back-to-back 20 years of the most effective governance of any place in the world, two extremely competent leaders, transformed this city from the place it was when i was growing up outside of it, and i do think that people are genuinely worried about this city going back to the place that it has emerged from, which is a dark and bad place. >> everybody said -- we've been talking -- that lived here for a long time saying we can tell you two things, crime is going up and taxes are going up. don't know whether that's a case or not. that's mindset of, you talk of

manhattan of a lot of liberals in manhattan that never saw this coming. >> his campaign message running true with a lot of people that don't live on the upper east said. a lot of people struggling in the outer boroughs. >> four years ago thompson almost beat bloomberg. they count the votes. and it is. i talked to my friend in manhattan, i hear the exact same thing you do. you got to go out there to these other places and they are not as ecstatic with these kinds of things and you saw it in the election result. that happens. everything changes over. >> bloomberg pushed the limits of the law on a lot of levels and in a race that some of us supported it, some of us didn't, i was supportive of his nutritional -- but then the stop-and-frisk. that changed everything. christine quinn was depending on

that endorsement and that was to inject something at the end of the campaign and i want wasn't going to be that way. it changed for bloomberg. >> it is remarkable after 12 years of a mayor that i think objectively created a safe and fairly prosperous city this election was a rejection of him. if they looked at christine quinn as a successor to his legacy she was rejected. >> he's a strong leader. you put a strong leader in charge of heaven for 12 years -- whether you're talking about a football team or baseball team or whatever. you got a guy -- rudy giuliani exhausted new yorkers in eight years but most new yorkers will admit he did a remarkable job turning the city around. bloomberg has been more assertive. this is a -- i got say in the ebb and flow of american politics the fact that they are not taking him out on a stretcher is good news for him.

i don't think there should be too much haggling of a guy who has been a mayor in this city for 12 years. >> it changed christine quinn at the end. >> people who go into a third term, it's tough by ten of the third term there's a natural exhaustion factor and that's why there's so many people do a third term. >> look at bush 41. he lost and won the most substantial intervention we've had since world war ii. things turn over. nothing ever stays the same. i look for a guy that comes to midtown manhattan and spend $900 a night on a hotel, i love bloomberg. >> stick around if you can. >> one of my favorite quotes came after church little lost. he guides them through world war ii, keeps them going, and then

he goes away for a conference, he gets beaten and after the results come in he loses he says, well dear it's a blessing in disguise. if it's a disguise it's one of the best damn disguises i've ever seen in my life. you sit there and pour your heart and soul in that and then get rejected. >> rough days for bloomberg. >> you see it in that magazine article. he's frustrated he's not being appreciated as he should be. >> five years after the financial crisis "time" magazine tells us how wall street won. we'll reveal the new issue straight ahead. also billy crystal joins us here on set. jeffrey donovan from "burn notice" joins us on set. and chuck todd. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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demanding a serious fix to the law. chuck, i'm telling you this law gets more unpopular by the day. i don't know we've seen anything like this before. >> the white house has done nothing to fix the pr on this and the democratic party tone nothing to fix the pr anthony. >> why is that? >> they believe -- well let's go back to 2010 when they should have done it. if you go back to 2010, democrats in congress acting rationally at the time if you think about it, right, when health care passed in march. you know, they were doing it under the cover of night it seemed like. they were having to come up gerry rig the congressional rules to get it done because they didn't have 60 votes in the senate. then they passed it and ran away. democrats on capitol hill who were running for re-election in 2010 practically begged the white house don't bring it up again. let's try to ignore it for eight months and hope it goes away.

now they are reaping what they sow. republicans dominated the message on health care in 2010 and again in 2011, no response from supporters of health care no, response at all. so now here they are four years later. democrats this time realizing well they better start campaigning for it at this point. look at mark prior in arkansas yeah he's for the law. but you let this sit there for four years -- >> you've seen these commercials sean running these commercials every where. they run these commercials on msnbc. you got mike lee most of the time who actually is a really good spokesman for the group but because he's not running for president and you look at him and he's -- i'm dead serious. >> it's true. he brings the most clarity. designee brings the most clarity to the debate.

he's got a good, sort of a good -- >> genuine looking -- >> good look about him. 30 second commercials stop obama care, stop obama care by the senate conservative fund they are running them nonstop and democrats are on the defensive. you see absolutely no counter to any of that stuff. you look at the polls there's a good reason why. obama care continues to bleed support every day. >> it is. if they did spend some time building support for it they would get the democratic base back in favor of it at a minimum and be closer to being, you know, like most every issue now in the country that is polarizing between the two parties back at parity but they are not trying. you talk to the white house about this, they say we're busy trying to implement through and once it's implemented, once they water the tree and the roots get in it will get popular. i remember hearing that from nancy pelosi we'll wear about

that when the law is passed. >> her exact quote is we need to pass obama care so we can figure out what's in obama care. still trying to figure that one out all these years later. how do the democrats sell this thing, man? if you got a candidate running in arkansas or louisiana who is a democrat you don't want them talking about obama care. >> look, right. it's unpopular. people did pretty well in 2012 we had a big election. country went and voted and, you know, obama won. it's going to be -- >> deal with it. that's how you sell it? >> you say i wanted to be sure that everybody got covered they want to take coverage away from people. i don't think -- if you ask me do i think it's a winning election for democrats in 2014, no. it's an issue they can deal with. >> you don't think it's a losing issue like in 2010? >> no, i don't think it will

repeat 2010. i don't think it's going to have the same political effect as in 2010, no, i don't. it's not a great issue for us right now. >> it is the law and upheld by the supreme court. so the question as a practical matter what are the people who want to do to get rid of it making symbolic gestures than shutting down the government. >> of course that's the only way the president gets the ball back in his court. if you shut down the federal government, when actually he's bringing support. just don't get in the way. it's blowing up left and right right now. >> he supported at the front end of the implementation of this. chuck talked about if we go out and sell this it will bring back the democratic base. but you look at where the afl-cio is on it, important parts of the democratic base are for this being accused from

having to live under it. >> the democrats will say they want to go back to the thing new a pre-existing condition you couldn't get coverage. we changed medicare, social security. single piece of legislation today is as was passed. republicans want to take you back to the time when you couldn't get coverage if you were sick. they only want to give coverage to people who don't need it. >> and the democrats who pass this bill got an exemption for themselves. got exemption for friends in big business. got an exemption for everybody. now the afl-cio is coming for technical elmtion. >> before we go to break i want your sense on the recall in colorado, two state senators recalled by republicans there. and the impact on the gun control debate. >> look, when you look at gun control in washington in congress you try found how is it 95% of the country can support something but the congress does

nothing on it. the answer is found in what happened in colorado which is the belief among politicians that gun lobby has the power to end your career and so if you're mayor bloomberg's anti-gun organizations, you have to win these elections. you have to win these fights. i think the reality is, is that you had in at threat of one member from colorado springs, you just had a guy who was ideologically out of sync with his district and any time you have a special election or recall election it's a very dynamic process, anything can happen in it and he lost and then it's interpreted 2,000 miles away that the reason that this guy was recalled is because of this issue as opposed to what really drives a lot of this stuff is what happens on the ground which is invisible to the national press. but clearly not good. >> chuck, the bottom line and let's go to heidi highcamp.

94% was supporting the background checks. but she was getting tons of phone calls from 6% and that 6% made a big difference. we were tough on her but you can understand a freshman coming in, getting pounded that bad by the phones night and day. similar thing here in colorado. >> steve is right. this is where the michael bloomberg organization, you know, didn't do its job. you know, even getting a split decision out of colorado they could have taken some solace in it. democrats, when you look at colorado the whole reason why it's a state that looked like it was passing through on its way to being reliably democratic is because democrats starting in 2004, just neutralized the gun issue. no democrats ran statewide that was not seen as pro gun, didn't allow that issue to get there and then they were able to marginalize the republican party on immigration, social issues

and et cetera and win. now you're going to see, steve is right, there were unique circumstances in these races and the rules of the no mail in ballots and go through a lot of tactical reasons why democrats didn't have a good chance here but i can tell you this. you know -- james will know this. every democrat south of the mason-dixon line and west of the mississippi will look at the results and say michael bloomberg get away from me, stay out of my state, stay out of my district, i don't want to talk about it. >> that's important what chuck brought up. you do this down in louisiana you're in trouble. do you this out west you're in trouble. now new hampshire or you see what happened in pennsylvania >> the message is the people that are against gun control they are really against it and never forget it. the ones who are for it, sounds

reasonable to me and then go. so the politicians kind of know that. you don't get much credit for one side when you get all of the blame and it came through. just what happens in politics but in terms of the political power you got say the nra, pretty impressive deal. how much effect it will have in 2016 i doubt any. >> huge impact in recall elections, huge impacts on primaries. where the margins are smaller. no doubt about it. here's the republican problem when, you know, the water goes into the reservoir and expands and the water level expands suddenly these small subsets don't work and people i got 1,000 issues, so-and-so is crazy on this issue, crazy on that issue, no way i'll vote for them as president of the united states. that's where conservatives and republicans have gotten in

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anniversary. >> yes. by our wonderful finance cluc columnist. she said the bailouts were the smart thing to do. we find ourselves five years later, my big takeaway from herpes the economy has not changed. big banks have gotten bigger, their share of gdp is larger and this idea of banks as institutions that lend to real people to start real small businesses is still just -- >> too big to fail has gotten bigger. why? >> i think it's because there's still so much to be done in a regulatory vein. the legislation is complex and confusing. again, sort of presiding culture of finance hasn't really changed. >> you know, the thing is, if

you need money chances are good you can't get money. >> right. >> if you don't need money banks will loan you money. >> exactly. why is that? >> we talked this with meredith whitney the other day. the bad credit people are not getting anything and the people with great credit can get anything they want. but that small business or person with decent credit, has authentic i can pay my bills are not getting the credit. >> what's cutting them out? >> banks don't want to take the risk with that group. the reward is not there for the banks to do so. i want to come full circle with this a little bit. the too big to fail thing has not been solved. these banks are less leveraged than they were. the issue is the culture that you talk about. joe, i think this is key. wall street still makes money at all costs and technology in the private-sector is ahead of technology with the government and this high frequency trading and what they are doing to find

ways like cheating in baseball. steal signals some people say fine steal signs. in wall street if you can steal signs if you can find a way to make that money do it. >> if you're paying something $80,000 at the s.e.c. to chase down somebody that's making billion dollar trades in london, it's going to take you a long time to catch up. >> one of the things that is argued we have to pay regulators comparable salaries so we can put a stop the revolving door. >> in this case where you have people that can go work at the s.e.c. for a couple of years and get paid maybe 70, 75 to 80 and then get taken out of there and go to a bank with that knowledge and make millions of dollars. you got to stop the revolving door. >> that's been going on for decades. >> i know. >> isn't one of the larger issues, the polarization in

congress seems to have prevented any -- looking back at the regulations that were written with dodd-frank, everybody says they are too complex to be implemented. it's been years now three or four years since we've been trying implement them. part of the problem. the polarization of congress that prevents these laws from being rewritten in a simpler fashion and implemented. >> it's part of every problem. it's true. not many people on the planet can understand this legislation and it doesn't seem likely that's going change in the near future. >> which is why you lay downtown five things to be done pretty clearly and simply given the topic. they are basic. it's amazing. >> why are fannie and fred still in business. and look at the banking committee. as a member of congress you go in, cast 1,000 votes, run to the floor, somebody hands you a sheet of paper.

you go what are we voting on. one second, it's the post office. next second it's some small deal with a minutia of a water minutia of a water generator plant within the ozones. they are basically tearing down the wall with banks and investment houses. the whole way it works. you go to the banking committee and there no bankers on the committee now. >> it speaks to something you talked about a second ago. there is a government solution. there so many duplicate responses. they want to keep their real estate and you can stream on government and simplify the regulatory regime, but nobody wants to give up their space. there are some responsibilities in regulation. >> do you agree with the

contention that nothing is more heavily regulated than the banking industry? >> yls. >> i think that's true, but it's not organized that way. >> it's minute and impossible. >> but the good nows is ryan gilespie. we have fresh blood in there. can you believe that? >> they really look to it in terms of real reform that is fair. do you know? who are the leaders right now in the forefront of trying to end too big to fail? who are making reasonable gains? >> i don't know that there is one person i can tell you. nothing to gain other than trying to really want proprietary trading. if you see someone has tried to get things right.

the government swallows all that up. >> you look at them and president obama even the team even in the same room. >> that was the crisis moment. the economy is growing. it's not growing as much as anyone you like. you took the immediacy of the situation out. >> sunshine everywhere. how wall street won. thank you. coming up after that, you are watching "morning joe." helicopthierhis hibuzzing, andk engine humming. sfx: birds chirping sfx: birds chirping

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>> up next, a day after president obama makes an address to the nation, vladimir putin writes a critical op ed. who knew putin cared so much about free speech and god. he talks about god. on the topic of god, bringing a new attitude. he is considering changes to priest marriage rules and he is saying this whole god thing may be overrated if you are a good guy. it's cool. come on in the club.

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. >> i say if obama really wanted to sell us syria, he should have taken a page from the people selling a siri. pushing the iphone and a war are a lot alike. the new one is smaller, faster and cheaper and people will buy it even though they have and

still paying off the previous model. it was time to wake up. take a live look at the new york city. richard poss and sam stein in washington. let's get up to date with the focus on the diplomatic push to eliminate the stockpile of chemical weapons. john kerry is in geneva with a team of arms control experts to begin talks with the russian counterpart. as the world watches to see if air strikes can be averted, the white house is refusing to put a time table on negotiations. >> it obviously will take some time as there technical aspects involved in developing a time for securing syria's chemical

weapons and verifying a location and putting them under national control. i expect this to take some time. we were also not interested in the tactics when we believe it's important to hold assad accountable. >> two nights ago, president obama directly addressed the american people and now vladimir putin is doing the same. in the "new york times" op ed written by the russian president, he questions the role as a super power. it is alarming that military and internal conflicts in foreign countries has been common place for the united states. is it in america's long-term interests? i doubt it. millions increasingly see america not as a model of democra democracy, but relying on group force. putin went on to say that a

strike would destabilize the middle east. he writes that my working and personal relationship with president obama is marked boy growing trust. i appreciate this. i careful low studied his address to the nation on tuesday. i would rather disagree with the case he made on american exceptionalism stating that the u.s. policy is what makes america different. it's what makes us exceptional. that's the president's quote. it is extremely dangerous to have people see themselves as exceptional. whatever the motivation. there big countries and small countries, rich and poor. those with long democratic traditions and finding their way to democracy. we all are different. when we ask for the lord's blessing, you must not forget that god created us equal. >> putting aside putin's lecture in democracy, what's he doing.

not just this op ed, but seizing on the comments from secretary of state kerry and saying we will put this deal and put syria under international control and get rid of him. . >> he can't resist the dplo putin can't resist it. this is his moment after decades of russian humiliation. that's the larger argument. russia had a special status. that was the serve to union. this was the way of telling the u.s. without us. guess what. you can't. you need us and we can make things better for you or worse for you. there threat this is this op ed.

he said we can do things in iran. don't think you can ignore russian interests. >> one of the concerns is that al qaeda is sending recruits to join the fight. the chief foreign correspondent richard engle spoke with the agreement that we do not choose the base. >> if muslims are present, they cannot defend them. we have to support them. >> the u.s. is considering military strikes. did that help you? is. >> we have a prayer. please annihilate enemies. ba shar and america is an enemy. >> you are smiling. i can see through the mask. >> praise alla. i am happy. >> why are you so happy? >> this was a dream for me to wage jihad. >> richard reports turkish residents are becoming increasingly concerned with al

qaeda extremists. becoming a danger. after months of delay. it is being reported that the cia is delivering weapons to the syrian opposition on both of those notes. you get a sense about how conflicted this could become and any idea as to some options as to how this would play out. >> the latest gradual score. kelly, the commissioner of police was talking and said one of the things as people will be am can be back to countries like the united states after this experience, this does have a potential for blow back. throughout the middle east, what happens there won't stay there. that was the case with

afghanistan. it's part of the price we pay for having delayed and not getting in there earlier. now as you said, sending arms. approximate we sent them one or two years ago, there would have been a balance or tilt with radical elements of the opposition groups. that's one of the problems now. the alternative government increasingly is as unattractive or worse as the government. >> we will go to colorado now. democrats are claiming residents were kept from exercising their rights to vote yesterday as republicans want to recall to two state senators. chair woman debbie wassermann said they were defined by the vast array of obstacles that screw in with voters for the purpose of reversing the will of the legislature and the people. this was voter suppression, pure and simple.

the two state senators were recalled in large part because of their support for stricker gun regulations and now it appears colorado republicans have their eyes set on a much larger target. at least six republicans are considering challenging governor in 2014 and they are upset with his position on gun roll and his support for a $950 million education tax hike among other issues. sam, i think especially low on gun control gives us a sense of the political landscape there. >> yeah. this is hugely motivating factor for a lot of voters in colorado and we knew this in the midst of the gun debate. a good chunk of republicans and conservatives tend to be single issue voters and they like to vote and vote on guns.

you had races of 24 or 35% clean up which was small which was enough to get these people kicked out of office. this is the game they had when they vote for the legislation. knowing that there is a good chunk of electorate that will be, on posed to you and potentially there to knock you off your cycles. >> mike bloomberg had a rough couple of weeks. here's another big loss for mike bloomberg. the nra and gun groups have been able this about a liberal new york city mayor. he has not gotten out of the way. >> certainly not in colorado. they made him a target and recalled.

>> there is much more intensity among pro gun people than there is upon anti-gun people. >> that was 14 months ago. there was a shooting in aurora, colorado. this shows how emotions dissipate and the long held beliefs of gun rights advocates trump the emotion in the case like colorado. >> this was certainly a big set back for a lot of people in colorado. the background checks and other issues like that. a lot more battles ahead. >> a sign of the times. >> what do you think of the concepts? >>. >> i love this part.

is that a misquote? it didn't matter if you believe in god or not. that's going into the basic, i think. really? it doesn't matter. that's great. >> that's what he wanted to believe. believe it all. >> i'm okay, you're okay. you do that up to a line and i think there is a bright red line in the sand. >> you can disregard it next week. you ready? >> pope francis considers francis and now according to one report, the vow of celibacy is on the table. >> no problem with that. >> you have to at lot of believe in god. get married and believe in god, right?

>> nbc's francis has the story. >> in the six months he has been pope, they quadrupled. case and point, the suggestion from his new number two that married priests is open to discussion. it's gotten people talking. >> they are saying hey, we have a gem here. am i open to listening to people talk about it and wondering how we can make it more effective? you bet. >> nobody expects to see married priests any time soon, but for this pope subjects like this are not off the table. they changed the tone emphasizing church teaching on helping the poor and social justice. the weekend vim il drew more than 100,000 people. they had a surprising open

letter to an italian newspaper, pope francis extended a hand to ag gnostics and atheists. getting close to people and kissing babies and enjoying things brought to him. he drives a 20-year-old renault with 190,000 miles on it. he calls the faithful to respond to their letters. >> we are seeing a pope who is less interested in closing doors than opening windows. >> what about married priests? there a few already who married first and converted to catholicism. this father has a wife and three kids. >> some are aware of the exception and some are floored. some is would say things like they let you keep your wife? >> a different take on the priesthood as pope francis shapes a new catholic church. >> um, wait.

>> doesn't change your mind. >> it total low changed your mind. >> obviously priests need to get married. >> nothing biblical about priests. >> true. if they don't expand that, they don't allow priests to be married, there will be no more priests. >> if there, they will be more scandalous. >> true. what? >> you can't get over the -- >> i'm not sure.

the issue of the vow of celibacy is a serious one. you can't turn that around because it doesn't work. >> it doesn't work? can we say it doesn't work? >> i think the catholic church's track record on such matters speaks for itself. when you ask -- first of all, forget about the celibacy part. what if you are having problems with your kids? what if you are having problems with your marriage? do you want to go to somebody who is actually walked a mile in your shoes and has three crazy kids screaming at night when he comes back from the church or do you want to have some guy that lives in a monastery. no idea what your family is going through? >> if you take your children to

mass now, it's exact low that. when a pastor, 60, 65, 70 years of aiming age and there is no connection. >> coming up on "morning joe" -- can you put your chair up. >> i like slouching. >> you have to -- you know. >> what do you think? >> put your chair up. >> do i loo being lik like a jo? >> coming up on "morning joe," billy crystal is here. he is out with a new book. still fooling them. where i have been, where i'm going and where the hell of my keys. first a check on the forecast. bill? >> billy crystal is getting that plate of who knows what. as far as what happened last night, a very serious situation is ongoing in boulder.

it started about five hours ago in boulder, colorado. historic flooding as much as to seven inches of rain fell in a short period of time. the city is having horrible issues. even campus dorms were flooded on the lower level. just to give you an idea, got a report from the boulder county sheriff that there is a firefighter stuck in a tree. they were trying to rescue people. the firefighter himself is 15 to 20 feet up this tree. the canyon is closed and rescue personnel until the water goes down. so far they are reporting two fatalities and structures that collapsed in the flash flood. our thoughts any to them and all the areas of concern. thunderstorms for you. they will be more garden variety and small hail and major airport delays. the rest of the country is doing okay. all thoughts and eyes are on areas of colorado. historic flash flooding last night. [ woman ] if you have the audacity to believe

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>> final lieu you died and one of the new york jets and no one notices. >> how many of you actually speak english? a show of hands. hands. it's the thing at the end of your sleeve.

a walk on ellis island here. >> i'm looking to have a kid. >> fine. >> i'm also known as benny the groin. sammy the shnaz, elmer the fud. >> i made love to this woman and it was so incredible, i took her to a place that wasn't human and she meowed. >> you made a woman meow? >> the greatest thing except for mutt on, lettuce and tomato sandwich. i love that. >> the stupid wagon wheel and garage sale coffee table. >> i thought you liked it. >> i was being nice. >> your finger? >> one thing.

you are the hold one i can talk to. >> it's been a hell of a ride. >> thanks. >> look who's here. >> as if you need an introduction, actor and comedian, billy crystal. still fooling em, where i'm going, where i've been and where the hell are my keys? how are the yankees only game out of the playoffs? >> i did a book signing in union square and i signed almost 700 books. i'm really tired and i raced home and this is pretty amazing. what is happening and the dynamics of it, they are not able to finish the season and

a-rod coming on and it's taking on with the team on his back. it's a weird dynamic of what's happening. >> and they might be in the playoffs. >> it's great. the clip we showed joe, he's not a left-handed hitter. >> when we got to the set, that was in new jersey. the sun was in the wrong place. you can turn around? >> did you see that? >> what made you sit down and put all this into a book. how much convincing had to go into it? >> i started thinking it would do stand up. you 65? >> yes. >> wow. >> i thought well, stuff's happening. i made it funny. it will be a concert tour.

it felt more like a book. i went into a sort of memoire. how did i get here. it's my 20th and 30th and 40th and 50th. it's been a long dam time. still fooling them by billy crystal. the real challenge is trying to remember these things. 74 was the fertile big break. >> one of the great guys. >> it's great when you mention

the guy, he was a great guy. out of the blue, they were honoring ali. bob was not available and i got this kid and he does this imitation of ali. he called me up and said friday night, show up. i came and everybody from sports, the individual football player with geno marquetti and all the individuals. mohamed was the man of the year for beating george forman. i'm sitting three chairs away from him and he's saying what is joel gray doing? >> i never had been on anything. one of his closest and dearest friends. i came up and went right into kosel and it worked out great.

that was a big thing for me. >> unbelievable. from there? >> i rt staed doing clubs and opening rock concerts. >> that's not true. >> seriously, you got black sabbath and you are opening up. >> there was a funny story for blood, sweat, and tears. >> they don't actually do that in the 70s. in front of the bands and everybody was on. >> it was a different time. comics were not involved. they were on a steady diet and there were just a few. >> what was the moment where you sort of had to stop and pinch yourself and say i need to call my mom. >> maybe right before i came on.

i'm glad you didn't do that. >> it was when you were on a hit sitcom? >> so many moments were good. one of the best moments is hosting oscars one night. i hosted the grammys three times before. >> you are looking at the grammys and i was excited to go out there. >> you didn't start sweating? >> no. i wanted to be there and it felt

good. jack nicholson had done the bat man movies and everybody was talking about this amount of money he made. we did jokes about him. jack is so rich and morgan freeman. i'm so thrilled it's going well and there is a knock at the door. i said who is it? it's jack. i never met them. they said so many nice things. they said it was so great that i was there and they were so encouraging. it's a fond remembrance. not only in the club. it was such a warm thing to do.

it's an odd night. a very odd night. after an hour, every five people had lost. you are dealing with a bunch of happy people. >> your dad was a record store manager. >> 142nd street. >> you would bring comedy records home. >> they started my brothers and i and had intelligence comedian of the day. they were funny muscular comedians. the honeymooners. they let me stay up on school nights and even jack bara. that was on at 10:00 or 11:00. he had a great eye. laurel and hardy and not the three stooges. bringing home the comedy albums

and you could hear in front of an audience. it was so palpable. you could glean from it. >> unbelievable too. talk about what it's like. i remember listening to bill cosby. it's hard to believe in 2013 a comedian approximate edian in 2. >> you get this great excitement. you feel like you are in on it. when we did the audio book, i did most of it live in front of an audience. the funnier chapters in the book and live audience and i have to say i'm so proud of it. it's an exciting thing to listen to. the people have been fans. it's like getting a live concert out. >> your dad passed away when you

were 15 and you never felt young again after that. >> yeah. i don't know your personal life, but if that happened to you, you understand. it's a cross right in. >> i can't imagine at 15. my dad passed away a couple of years ago and for about a year or year and a half, i would smile. i can't imagine a 15-year-old kid. >> it was sudden. it was out of the blue. when i turned 50, i started making notes of a show that i was thinking about. i even called them then. i calculated that he worked two jobs, sometimes three. our only day together was suspecte sundays. there were 700 of them. that's what i called it. that was the most exciting year

that i could remember was being here on broadway telling the story of when he was alive and when he was not. my family on this journey where the little kid got up on the coffee table to performing on the stage. >> my dad passed away. it happened 30 or 40 years ago and i still talk to my dad every day. do you still feel a connection with your dad? >> oh, sure. especially with the show. you always feel this connection. especially during times when i got married. when i had my kids and grandkids. there was an empty chair at the table. there was a touching part talking about mickey mantle and heroes.

i wrote his eulogy and he got to know each other very well. warts and all. helping him to bed when he was drinking too much and you shouldn't meet your heroes. night in cooperstown i was hosting a special for nbc for the all-star game. he didn't want to go into the hall of fame that night to do the shoot. he felt guilty that he wasn't get enough and all these things. we started talking about our dads. mickey lost his dad at 18. i told him about my story. i said look at us. you are mickey mantle and i'm whoever i am right now. we are two teenagers still missing their dad. it drivews you sometimes. even the 700 sundays helped me

become a good man. >> to hear the words to never feel young again at 15 because it's such a deep loss, that's a heart breaking thing to say. that's what you do. how do you convert that? >> i was prior to that and he was a big part of that and my brother and was my mother was an amazingly funny spirit. she was the voice of mini mouse in the thanksgiving day parade. if are many of the parades. she would sit in the float. >> what's that voice? >> blowing bubbles. she was hilarious and kept us together after dad died. i'm the youngest of three. she made sure we all graduated from college and was always encouraging and we liked to make her laugh. that was a great way to combat the stunning grief that i was hit with. when you look at a grieving

person like that and they had one of the great marriages that i ever could experience. i couldn't be sad for her. i was always keeping her up. inside i was not feeling so great. >> that was a testament. >> how many times does it happen you talk about being with mickey at the hotel on cooperstown and warren beatty and jack nicholson, how many times does it happen that after that occurred, can you believe my dad -- >> i think about those things a lot. wow! i had a lot of wows. to put them in there for other people. >> in addition to the great tips about your teeth, what is this thing called sex at 65? >> i think it's the funniest chapter in the book. >> he likes variety so he uses both hands. what is the deal for that stuff.

>> thank you. that's good. >> read it for yourself, folks. it's a little early for this. i'm not a morning man. >> it is a little early for this. let's talk about like everybody, we loved nora efron. i found out in the book that the first time you read the script that many of us believe like the classic, when harry met sally, you didn't like it. >> i didn't love it. it was a little flat. it wasn't called when harry met sally. >> nora's response? >> you are in a little bit of a stall. he was working on it for a while. it was not quite happening and when rob cast me in the movie, i came in with tons of ideas and -- >> the karaoke scene.

>> and the sharper image and the wave scene and a bunch of other things. what was great about, wooing with them and why he was the best director to work with them and the perfect director was the sense was phenomenal and the openness to the actors and letting them into the process. when we appeared and are talking before we started. it was phenomenal. all good things came out of that. especially the orgasm secene. >> because his mother is in the room. >> i'm like wait a second, you never heard this before? he said they haven't faked it with me. that's a line harry ends up saying that. she said i should do that. i should fake an orgasm. i said like in a crowded restaurant with a lot of people.

i will have a huge one. we cut to an older woman and say waiter, i will have what she's having. we go to do the shoot and meg is very nervous, she is about to have an orgasm all day. >> by the way, he said it's too early to talk about sex. he is now talking about it. we open the door. go ahead. >> at first she was a little tepid. >> it's awkward. >> the second is like we are married 15 years. then rob goes on and said i want you to do it like this. rob sits down. >> oh, lord. >> i'm on a date night with grizzly adams. then it's know orgasm that king kong would be jealous of.

everybody is looking and laughing and screaming. yes,yes, yes! he pulls me aside and said i shouldn't have done that. i thought he was worried about meg. i said she's fine. he said no, i just had an orgasm in front of my mother. >> that is the greatest. >> then the princess bride scripts. >> that was just to show up. first of all, mr. goldman is one of the great screen writers of all time. this was a novel with the princess bride and only rob account turn it in. the studio trusted and then -- really? i get to be this guy?

seriously. we flew to london and no one ever saw my face. i got to the studio at 2:00 in the morning and ready to go by 6:30. i want to look like a combination of my grandmother and casey. that's what i looked like. >> boom. >> you hit it. that is grate. talk about you wrote a movie not so long ago talking about the difference between being a father and a grandfather. talk about it. >> the greatest joy. the last one, they are 10, 7, 4 on november 1st and the last one was born on my 65th birthday. two girls and two boys. they are great and they just give me such a juice at this point in my that i have little ones all over again. now they understand what i do. it's really interesting.

the last time 7-year-old dylan, she is adorable. we were coming back from the premier of parental guidance. there was a big fuss. the first time she has seen that. crossed the red carpet. as we were driving home, she said mommy, do people know that grandma is married to billy crystal? >> the book is still fooling em. billy crystal. thank you so much for being on. >> a home run there. [ female announcer ] we lowered her fever.

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>> brian, i have news coming across the wire. >> i'm not bringing good news. i want to bring spectacular news. 292,000 is the first read below 300,000 claims since the financial crisis began. we have to go back to 2006 to find a weekly number that low.

here's the caveat. the department of labor is i saing that because of computer upgrad upgrades, the data may not have been collected in its entirety. the number perhaps can be artificially low because of the computer upgrades. still though it's thursday morning and a big college football weekend. i will take it at face value. there you have it. >> we have good news. >> any time it goes down, it's good. there is always caveats. i saw foreclosure data. they were excited about the housing sector. we have seen fewer foreclosures than in the past. >> of course we are, bs, by the way from one to another. home values are going up. people have incentive to stay in their home and have more jobs to pay for the home. that is the positive news. things have been going well for a while. the stock market can make it four triple-digit gains in a

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tonight is after seven seasons. the actor and star of the show. we are talking golf. this is a great show. 21st century family. misfits coming together that doesn't look like it. >> it's a dysfunctional family. >> it's a crazy mom. a wonderful sharing. it has been seven wonderful years and tonight is the serious finale and 111 shows. it's been a great ride. sorry to see it go, but it's time to move on. >> can you believe it lasted that long? >> no, after the first season you never know if you are going

to get renewed. the second season happened and the ratings went up on the third season and stayed steady. we had a loyal fan base and we are trying to wrap up the show the way we think the fans want to see it happen. >> the expansion of viewing opportunities. you have usa network and amc with a terrific series. for the viewer, the menu is now so large. they said i want to create this story and it my way. ray donovan too. it's so great. you watch these shows and said i am going to sit at home on saturday night.

>> mark strong doing low light or whatever it is on amc. >> did you have a terrific sense that that was the way it was? >> i thought it was one of the most innovative and creative pieces of writing i have seen in a long time. >> he was burned by the people he trusted. he started the series out. they are broken and bitter. >> he's a jason born on the out skirts and the cia wants him out. for years, the premises was get back into the cia and wrongfully kicked out. after the third and fourth season, he gets back in the cia and realizes the organization he has been with was more than anything else.

he walks a gray line and it was all about personal and the journaly and his family and his story. just between us, what happens? >> everyone dies. don't tell anyone. >> one of the cast members dies in a heroic bit. you will see if you tune in. it's a culmination of years. >> i can't wait. congratulations. it has been an incredible seven years. >> thank you. >> the series finale burn out is tonight at 9:00 on usa. scratch golfer, thanks. up next, what if anything did we learn? sfx: oil gushing out of pipe.

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