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still have places to go. we still have hills to climb. and valleys to cross. but we should not forget those that made it possible because of them, i can say, thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. >> obama strong. let's play "hardball." >> good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. politics makes strange bedfellows and tonight, america's in bed with vladimir putin. is this thing going to work? can we count on this guy to help us in syria? is it in russia's use to keep assad under control? do our two countries have a
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common interest in fighting is wi lammists. las it come to in that the americans and russians see a common enemy as we did in world war i sni could obama's failure to win american support be the way to get america and russia fighting alongside each other instead of against each other? could this be the inflection point in history we need? that's coming up in the show. first the political fight here at home. president obama's base support remains strong. the latest nbc/"wall street journal" poll shows 7% of democrats approve of the job he's doing right now supposed to 16% who is disapprove. that's stronger than the 50% disapproval he gets in the full poll. congressman gregory peaks, a democrat from new yorken an clarence pate sitting with me is a columnist for the chicago tribune. i want to start with the congressman up in new york. i know -- part of this i think may have to do with this hess antancy about going to war in
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syria. i just think the president is so much in sync with most democrats which is, yeah, we might have to do something but i feel very bad about going to war again. i wonder whether his hesitancy isn't perfectly in swink the way that most democrats are thinking. your thoughts, sir? >> i think the president is acting deliberately and also understanding and learning the lessons of what took place in iraq. he knows and i think most democrats know that previously, there was a -- when we went into iraq, it was a hyped where where we were given misinformation. he's been trying to give the americans the truth that this is not -- there's no imminent threat or danger as was hyped in iraq. i think democrats understand that. democrats also understand that if you were to go in to take out assad, that you would own syria in the same way we had the war in iraq. he's not doing that. and that the best way to do it is to try to ultimately have dialogue and conversation and
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that's what he's doing. democrats wanted him to come to congress. he's come to congress pop those kinds of things which i think were the right thing do for the country that prevents this from happening, the problems we had back in iraq and now has driven us to the table where we're talking with the russians is a positive that we have an opportunity, a window of opportunity to do something that won't cause us to have to go to war. >> i think we look at syria when we turn on television with nothing else to do and see one of the extreme wrestling matches going on. i don't like either one of these guys. i'm not rooting for either guy. >> remember kissinger's line about the iraq iran war? it's a pity one of them has to win. >> especially watching the papers this week, the guy getting his head cut off or watching the seven guys getting executed. >> that's right. we are dealing -- what's the alternative to assad? it's riddled with al qaeda and
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other islamic extremists that aren't guaranteed to bring in democracy either. >> first i'm i've ever liked anything thatting that fell down in texas ever said. ted cruz when he said we're going to be al qaeda's air force. >> that's not unlike vietnam, that the saigon government wasn't that stable either. >> president obama receives solid support from his base of vote voters that brought him into office. among after americans, 85% approval, still 11% disapproval. among hispanics, 60% approve, 32 disapprove, about 2-1. college educated women 57%, about three out of five support the president, are 37% disapprove. congressman in meeks, when you go around your district, left in a weird way left has been catching up to right.
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both sides don't like this idea of going to war. what's it like going home to new york? >> no one wanted to go to war. they also were concerned about doing something unilaterally, wanted a more international coalition as to whatever was going to be done. they wanted to make sure it was deliberate. in my district, my individuals are asking me to get as much information as i can. to make a deliberate and a well-thought through decision as to what i should do. but they definitely would not do not want to go to war, but at the same token, they want to make sure chemical weapons are not utilized and understand that line that might have been crossed if you want to use that expression but they say it's an international line that was crossed. so the the international community should come together to do whatever needs to be done. >> the congressional black caucus, often called the caucus on the hill, it can you tell me whether they were going to vote in the end on this issue of whether to support a strike by our forces against the syrian
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government? were they going to do it or not? >> i think by and large, most members were still undecided. they want waed to watch and get all of the facts, the evidence in. that's what we did actually with iraq even. and try to make sure we understood what was going to take place, what would happen after a strike, how large a strike. so that you can make that decision. so the members of the congressional black caucus are not nonmo lithic. individuals will do different things i believe as they process the information for themselves and votes would have been all over the place. >> isn't it fair to say you didn't want to come out against the rez? that was part of the hesitancy. even though you didn't feel like doing it, your people back home didn't want to do it, you were hesitant to put down a mark of nay? >> when you have a vote to decide whether or not you utilize the united states' military, it's not about the who's your friend, who's not your friend. that's the hardest vote in my 15
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years in congress i've heather had to take, whether or not we use our military. that's a vote of conscience. i think the members of the congressional black caucus will utilize their conscience not one way or the other but not just based upon the friendship with the president. they want to make sure to do the right thing. >> what do you think, clarence? was there a lot of fear people don't want to put a big nay vote down? this isn't just a black caucus. >> that's why this issue crossed party lines. of you've got libertarian republicans just as anti-war as the left wing democrats. it's the kind you have issue that also stands out by itself too, i think. i don't know if anybody's election prospects are going to rise or fall on this except obama. he hasn't got to worry about re-election. >> let's talk about his election. clarence, you first. we all know watching this thing last summer probably the one thing that got people energized to vote in the black community was the fact they saw this voter
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suppression stuff going on in pennsylvania, down south, 36 states. so that galvanized the electorate. people said damn it, i'm not going to get screwed out of my vote. so people showed up. today, are people paying attention to what's going on on the right? the prowse evident by people like ted cruz to basically make president obama's presidency an asterisk? he really wasn't president? we'll talk impeachment, talk secessi secession, we'll do everything we can to get the guy off the record books and whispering about birtherism so when it's over they can say that's not one of the faces that belongs on the list of presidents. maybe i'm paranoid. >> we've already seen the right refashion history to suit their tastes. but facts are facts. >> that's what i'm talking about. this attempt to try to discount him. >> if you talk about legacy, his legacy stands. we can see what he's done. the durability of obama care is
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right there. these quixotic votes against it. >> they're going to shut down the government over it. >> right now looks like that would backlash against them just like it backlashed against gingrich and his regime in the '90s. the thing we've got to talk about, are we talking about the midterms or the general elections because in the midterms, i think african-americans and other voter who's tend to vote democrat are the much less likely to show up. it's harder to generate that same kind you have energy. you've got a lot of safe districts so people are apathetic about turning out. >> congressman meeks, when you go home, do you hear people talking about these characters? i've never seen this right wing so virulent basically trying to erase obama, kill the baby in its crib with obama care. make sure he's like barry bonds. he really didn't hit all those homers. it teams like that's what they're trying to do. >> history is going to reflect that because when history looks
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back, they're going to show the kind of individuals that were in congress he had to deal with, yet, his accomplishments. you know, they're going to show when he came into office, had he three major catastrophic events taking place, the worst financial crises which he got us out of, a war in iraq and afghanistan which he got us out of. he passed a health care trying to be passed for decades. so and he did a lot of this against the opposition of individuals who wanted to wipe him off the map. that's going to make his legacy that much stronger and better in the eyes of history. >> that's the best i've heard it. u.s. congressman gregory meeks, clarence page of the chicago tribune. now that russian president putin stuck his neck out on syria, he's the go-to guy to get the chemical weapons. we'll talk to the son of nikita khrushchev whether russia can get rid of the mess over there. add maryland to the states where right wingers are pushing secession.
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is president obama's best hope to peacefully disarm syria. saddled with a war weary public at home and a war weary congress hat home, obama pinned his hopes on a diplomatic resolution. and now, nbc news is reporting the seniorstration official here in washington suggests the united states would agree to a key russian demand. that the u.n. resolution will not include the use of military force or the threat of military force against syria as a consequence for noncompliance. politics makes strange bedfellows but as cold war history has shown, our relationship with russia is complicated to say the least. putin's russia may no longer be our adversary but it would be an overstatement to call it a friend. it's no overstatement to say president obama and his team need to deliver on this one in syria which won't be an easy task considering russia's temperament. as winston churchill famously said, i cannot forecast to you the action of russia.
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it is a riddle wrapped inside a mystery inside an enigma. perhaps there is a key, russian national interest. it's worth askinging what makes putin's russia tick? >> with us is simon marks and sergei khrushchev, the son of nikita khrushchev the leader of the soviet union. this is a picture of father and son going back to 1959. sergei is now a senior fellow at the great brown university's watson institute for international studies. professor, thank you for joining us. i guess the first question is,ing what are russia's interests in syria? >> stability. russia don't want to have all this fighting on their borders. he had they are already feared about the taliban in afghanistan and now to have them near the caucuses, it will be nightmare for russia.
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they need stability and predictability and they think president assad is giving this stability and all this creating uncertainty because nobody who are they and who will be in power would they win. >> do you think, professor, that the united states and the west now have faces a common enly alongside russia of islamistism, the danger of the chechnians and the danger of the people in al qaeda? do we see the same enemy across the frontier? >> i would not say that islam the enemy to west or to russia. but russia live with the islam peacefully for last 400 years and they had no problems. but of course, all the extremists are very dangerous there and when the u.s. started fighting there, especially when you have this fighting in syria, fighting between different religious groups, the islamist
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from one side and other side also they're fighting against armenians and against christians, 80s becoming very different because there, you just concentrated the strongly motivated people who know nothing against we want to kill you. this is very dangerous for both side. >> you know, a lot of americans don't put things together very quickly because we're not helped by the media. when bobby kennedy was shot by a palestinian, by sirhan sirhan nobody said wait a minute, this might have something to do with the middle east. and maybe this has something to do with world politics. no, it was just a tragedy and a conspiracy theory. here when we have the boston bomber, nobody puts together, the chechnians are islamic terrorists. common enemy. putting it together and possibly a root to the opportunity for putin in his own russian interests to help us with syria.
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>> there's a whole raft of self-interests guiding putin in all of this and certainly concern about islamic extremism at home is one of those self-interests driving him. there's more to it i think with great professor than simply a desire for stability. there's also a detire to project an image of russia as a major player on the global stage. that is what has been driving vladimir putin from the very moment that he game russian president, it is a desire to be seen as sharing equivalents with the united states, both in terms of refusing to accept that will american democracy is a superior political system to the way in which democracy is carried out at home. >> is that a bad thing for the world or for us? >> it's certainly a bad thing for the united states. no question about that because you see a united states that is embarrassed on the global stage after the events of the past ten days. a united states whose government appears substantially weaker on the world stage than it was before. >> we were weak before the russians came along. we were weak because the
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american people were not interested in a war in syria. not because of anything to do with the russians. >> you're weak because you're being consistently outmaneuvered. the russians outmaneuvered you on the. >> professor khrushchev, do you accept the fact that simon marks just made the argument that a lot of this has to do with ego and the desire of the russian lead to re-establish global equality with the united states? >> i think that the putin realistic and he understand that russia no more the great power. it is not the superior power. it's not a regional power. the putin position is just to establish his position inside the former soviet union creating the economical union and many other things. of course, he want to be represented in the world and the leading member of the g-20. as any of these countries wanted to be on stage and present their
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point. but they will not -- interest or challenge the united states like it was during the cold war and when my father was in power. only two powers in the world who tried to deal with each other. >> that's for sure. it was simpler back then. for his part, putin relied heavily on the u.n. security council as a place to -- "the new york times" op-ed ran yesterday. crew chess, your father, knew the value of using the u.n. in a very different way for theater, whether it was pounding the table in protest or disrupting a speech in protest, he used confrontations as a way to command attention. take a look. >> none of us particularly were welcome in our countries, a large number of officials, a large number of officials from abroad, a large number -- i'd like it translated, if you would.
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>> perhaps most well-known disruption was the legendary shoe incident when he removed his shoe and pounded it on the table. the only record that exists of this episode is this "new york times" photograph which shows the shoe right in front. needless to say, cruise cheb and put putin had two different leadership styles. i've always admired the way crew chev did one thing which saved his planet. i'd like to have your thoughts on it. in 1962, during the cuban missile crisis when there was a secret trade between kennedy and khrushchev, the united states agreed to remove its jupiter missiles from turkey in exchange for the russians removing missiles from cuba. that deal i believe saved the world from a real frightening situation. russian interests there, american interests there had nothing to do with ideology. but everything to do with common humanity. your thoughts about that today.
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>> yes, of course, during the cuban missile crisis, it was two leaders in the world,ing with not idea that -- they prefer negotiations. it was very different culture at that time. because they were adversaries, not friends. we negotiate with each other. through this crisis, it was very important to to this negotiation because both leaders understood that they can influence each other and better understand each other and then after the crisis, exactly 50 years ago, they created the direct line to easier negotiate with each other. unfortunately, we lost this culture. now we're not negotiate with our adversary. only our friends. we're not negotiations -- we don't negotiate with iran directly. we don't negotiate with assad. you cannot imagine that the president obama will call to the preds assad and told, mr. president, i want to talk with you and we'll try to
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resolve this crisis. i think it will work and it will be maybe much less problems because when you're imposing sanction and have the conditions to surrender, it will never work. we had the same history in the soviet history because when cruise chef inherited power from stal stalin, they have the same bitter enemy, joseph. and he was in yugoslavia. a tried to kill him and cruise shev told we have to do it different way and he told, let's talk with him. and his colleagues told, let's talk with him, let's invite him in moscow. khrushchev told no, i am the leader of the great power. and for me, it is easier to go to him, but for him, it will be difficult to go to here because he have to apologize for me because he's a leader of a small
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country. went to the pot belgrade, they spoke there. they resolved these problems. still it was their way of maintaining attention between them but it was no such crisis. now we lost this culture of g h negotiation with enemy. >> i think if the united states were willing to negotiate with honestly with assad by, we'd get this thing done. unfortunately our negotiating position su die. that's not a very good negotiating position. thank you, professor cruise chef from brown university and simon marks for joining us. up next, i'm going to answer your twitter questions up in a minute. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ke carpools... polly wants to know if we can pick her up. yeah, we can make room. yeah. [ male announcer ] ...office space. yes, we're loving this communal seating. it's great. [ male announcer ] the best thing to share? a data plan. at&t mobile share for business. one bucket of data for everyone on the plan,
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let's kick it off with a request he from jim mcdoul of marginiantown, west virginia. he asks, has congress always worked three days a week and not accomplished anything? >> i do believe they do good work in their districts when they're there. here's the big answer to their question. they used to get the budget resolution done in the spring by may 15th when it's supposed to get done, get the appreciations done all through the summer. used to meet the detd line. yes, they used to get their work done and don't now. the next question from john ryan who is currently serving in the peace corps over in kenya. he asked, what did chris learn in the peace corps he continues to use today? i'm going to rpcv from kenya. look, the best thing i ever did in the peace corps was join it. the second thing was riding around in a suzuki 120 motorcycle in the middle of nowhere speaking zu lieu.
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i was the only white guy they'd ever seen. i was out there teaching business with these people in all trading shops by myself. it's not like going in the military. it was a growing up experience. it was a great thing. i hope i helped that country. next up, is audrey davis from dallas, texas. she asks, who cave in in the showdown over the debt limit extension? what other country would risk its economy like this? this is all brand new. this stuff about the debt ceiling and people like ted cruz and rand paul trying to destroy obama's program, it's called affordable health care bill, that's part of the united states government right now. it's our law. they're trying to kill it using this debt ceiling to try to do that. that's brand new revolutionary politics it. may work for them and the tea party but an it has never work fwhd our government that you offer to detonate the government in order to get your way. it's not playing by any reasonable rules of democracy. it is new and it's bad.
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finally this comes from mike who asks, will history see this syria event more positive for obama? when he sent ships -- i think things changed when he realized that his own democratic party and his loyalists did not support him going into military action in syria. that changed everything. and then outsidely enough, the secretary of state said maybe if they get rid of all their chemical weapons we won't have to do this. the russians were quick witnessed to see the opportunity. i think it's very smart we decide we're not going to say as a rule we go to the security council and say we're threatening them. don't throw threats around till we've got a partner. that partner has to be russia. we'll be right back.
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i'm melissa race rehberger. a fourth person killed by the severe flooding in colorado. new jersey firefighters are still putting out hot spots in the rubble of the seaside heights boardwalk. investigators will start looking for the cause once the scene has cooled. and united airlines says it will honor the tickets it accidentally sold for $10 or less on thursday. back to "hardball." >> when we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic. we were a stand alone nation and one of the deals was, we can leave anytime we want. so we're kind of thinking about that again. >> where did he go to high school? we can leave at any time we want. that caused the civil war. the secession obsession. in 1863, the northwest portion of virginia broke off away and became west virginia. it's been the only successful secession of the last 150 years but if a growing faction of
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conservatives get their way, it won't be the last. as you heard from the clip, rec perry famously made headlines with his oops back in 2009 when he told a group of bloggers that texas could secede anytime it wanted to. he has since distanced himself from those comments a bit. we've seen a recent wave of movements takes place across the country, all republican counties who are mad as hell the democrats were elect and now control their state legislatures. instead of dealing with the realities of being the minority party, they're eyeing ways to make themselves the majority anyway they can. david corn, and katelin dixon, thanks for joining us. reporter with the daily beast author of a great article about secession fever. let's look at it as it's happening. maryland, a conservative grass-roots movement is gaining traction in the western part of the state to secede from the rest. it's going to form its own state, they say. colorado at least four
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republican counties have put secession movements on the ballot. ca, republican county passed a vote to support leaving the state as part of a broader plan to join up with counties in oregon to form the 51st state of jefferson. even have a name. don't forget texas where the state's energy commissioner boasted the state has made great progress in becoming an independent nation. well taken together, they're being described as the largest wave of secession movements since the civil war. katelin, you start. what is this about besides they sort of like the dressed up version, the gussied up version of putting a rebel bumper sticker on your car or flying the flag out your window from your dorm room. is this just part of that? >> i mean, to be honest with you, chris, it's not really much more than that. these movements, you know, while they do seem extreme they don't really seem that realistic given what it takes to actually secede. i think that they are, you know, in most cases kind of just a
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symbolic gesture, you know, protest against the party in power to say that they disagree and you know, to try to prove that they can breakaway. >> come on, tell me the gut reason why this makes them feel good to do this, letting off steam, whatever you call it. but their gut seems to say i want to shoutout now, i'm not part of the state of maryland, not part of the state of the united states. what's that about, that gut? >> well, i this i it's a lot about, you know, showing your independence. if you live in rural western maryland and you know, the people from the urban parts of your state are making legislation and regulations that you don't agree with that aren't benefiting you, it's just, you know, a kind of protest to say i'm not a part of this. >> if it's just independence, let me go to you, on this david, how come no liberals are doing this? there's a lot of liberals in austin, salt lake city, not in sync with the rest of their
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states. >> atlanta. there are a lot of pocks. >> chapel hill. >> even oxford, mississippi perhaps. >> why don't they re-bell? >> there's been a lot of psychological studies done on the difference between liberals and conservatives. one thing that comes through is that liberals tend to be a little more tolerant of having 0 debate and different sources of opinion and conservatives want to be just around themselves. one easy way. >> you're so right. >> one easy way of showing that is liberals listen to npr which tries to give you both sides of the issue. >> a little more liberal. >> it does. >> you're saying npr doesn't lean liberal? >> bill kristol was on npr this morning. >> sure. >> bulis be but conservatives do they listen to that? no, they listen to rush limbaugh. >> the guy who started this whole business of talk politics, john macculloch lynn, every liberal i know used to watch that show. they don't mind watching the
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other side. >> there's something about this conservatives that we fight every day that says we want to be by ourselves. if we can't have our game, we're going to take the ball and go elsewhere and go back to a different america than the one today. secession is one irrational way of expressing that. >> katelin, does the fact we have an african-american president, a liberal or progressive president have something to do with this angst to get apart from him? >> i mean, absolutely. i think the fact that we have a liberal president is a lot -- has a lot to do with this. these movements are largely conservative anel like david said, it's this idea that i'm not going to debate or i'm not going to just sit back and you know, let the president that i didn't elect you know, be in charge. it's kind i have wanting to distance yourself from that and say i'm going to start something new. >> let me read both of you something. put it up on the prommer from
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"the washington post" editorial board. somebody wrote over there about the maryland movement. there is a mechanism short of secession through which the alienated by seek access to the mainstream and to power though the path may be long, uncharted and uncertain. it's called elections. >> voting, yes. voting. >> why don't they do that, david in. >> listen, the reason why, if you look at maryland, and a lot of these places these people are in a pretty zing minority. and you know, listen, the last thing they want is secession. if you look at the flow of money in these states, the tax base is in the urban areas. >> how could a little state in western maryland, the garrett county, washington county, become a state? >> how could they fund anything? it's really -- it's not about a real practical way of dealing with it. it's beak saying we don't recognize the legitimacy of the current political order. so we're going do something different and in texas, you
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know, the guy you just quoted thinks the united states is about to collapse and texas will go off on its own. >> good low byron used to be the conservative congressman from that part of maryland and used to say it was a nice part of the state. he visited once for a picnic and they loved him. whereas in montgomery county, they would be filling out petitions all day long. thank you, katelin dixon and david corn. up next, payback's a mitch. oh, harry reid is holding a fund-raiser for mcconnell's opponent. and a nasty campaign just got nastier. they're going at each other's territories. this is "hardball," the place for politics. customizable charts, powerful screening tools, and guaranteed 1-second trades. and at the center of it all is a surprisingly low price -- just $7.95. in fact, fidelity gives you lower trade commissions than schwab, td ameritrade, and etrade. i'm monica santiago of fidelity investments,
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take a look at this new number from our brand new msnbc "wall street journal." when asked who represents the middle class of this country fairly well, bill clinton gets the most support. president obama is next at 39% followed by the democratic party at 37. further down the list, george w. bush at 28, republican party 23, and the tea party 22. bottom line, every democratic group or leader is seen as doing better by the middle class than the republican counter points. bill clinton seen as that guy right there in the middle. that's the great place to be. we'll be right back after this.
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count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. i love you, angie. sorry, honey. we're back. in one of the most fascinating questions for 2014, those midterms coming up is what the fate of mish mcconnell going to be the kentucky republican faces an aggressive tea party-backed challenger in the primary which pushed him to the extreme wing of the party. if he does win the primaries he'll face a democratic opponent who polls should could be formidable. and this week harry reid sent a clear message to his colleaguing in an unusual move, he said he plans on hosting a big fundraiser for grimes out in vegas next month. it's rare majority leaders do campaign for the challengers of minority leaders but reid's involvement helps grimes catch up in terms of fund-raising or
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will it help mcconnell drive home the point his opponent is tied to the democratic establishment national little? margin i o'mara is a democratic strategist. rick, i would worry, i would worry, it's always good to raise money but i would worry that what mcconnell is going to be able to do is put himself in the victim role. even republicans like to play victim. oh, they're coming at me from all over the country, coming from hollywood, from vegas, coming after me, little old mitch. i'm just a kentuckian like you. i can hear it. >> well, senator mcconnell's a smart guy. this is the best thing that could happen to mcconnell. he's a prolific fund-raiser. bring reid on. harry i hate coal reid is not a popular message in kentucky. it's not going to play. mcconnell will raise so much money off the fact now grimes is attached to obama, obama care, anti-coal, harry reid, the whole thing, mcconnell will raise
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loads of money on it. so i'd encourage reid to have more fund-raisers. >> margie, why is harry reid who is a smart politics, he gets reelected no matter what's going on, why is he raising money out in vegas for the. >> because it's a tight race. clearly mitch mcconnell is in trouble. polls show he's unpopular. polls show the race is neck and neck. sometimes he's up, sometimes she's up. he's worried about a primary challenge. clearly he is in trouble. she has a lot of democratic support. they see this as a real race. i would argue if the best thing that happened 0 mitch mcconnell is that his opponent has a big fund-raiser with big democratic support, it's no wonder his obvious sign he's really in trouble. >> mcconnell has going after grimes as a tool of barack obama and reid. here he is last month at fancy farm, the famous nearly kentucky political picnic.
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patronizingly he imapplies her dad is running her campaign. here he is taking on his female, his woman opponent who i think that's going to be a fact too, gender. let's watch to say how nice it , how nice it is to see jerry back in the game. like the loyal democrat he is, he's taking orders from the obama campaign on how to run his daughter's campaign. is the senate going to be run by a nevada yes man for barack obama who believes coal makes you sick or the guy you're looking at? >> that's like feeding time in the lion cage when they throw a red meat in.
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that was feeding time. he was throwing everything, the coal thing, harry reid, vegas, obama and then this thing about daddy's running his daughter's campaign, like she's not really up for this job. daddy's running it. it's gender, geology, throw in obama. they all ate it up. >> mcconnell's -- mistakes on the campaign. he's known for that. he has to throw that in because she just doesn't fit kentucky. her values don't fit kentucky. coal means jobs in kentucky. people want jobs. people like coal. >> so, she's against coal. where did you get that? >> wa i'm saying -- >> wait, where did you get that? you just said, oh, no, this is "hardball." you just said something, she's anticoal as a kentuckyian. anticoal. you want to retract the statement? you want to retract that while you got a chance?
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fix it. >> you didn't give me a chance. what i'm going to say is she's aligned herself with people who are anticoal and she thinks that's going to translate. i'm just reporting. >> just a minute. just a minute. rick, i think you're dealing in prop here. she has said she's opposed to obama's coal policy. why don't people want to correct the record when they have a chance? you've got a perfect chance. >> she has a chance to go out and say you know what? ricket tyler was wrong. >> i'm going to hold my nose while i work for him. folks who are close to him sometimes have obstacles with him. look, every campaign has to deal with do i take money from this person, do i get hit at home. swing voters don't vote based on the views of people in a
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fund-raiser. >> i want to go to rick todd, virginia. can ken cuccinelli still win despite this talk about the gifts and governor? is this, it seems to have given mcconnell obama clinton's good friend a lead of about five points. will that hold when the tough conservatives shell in november? >> i find it ironic that terry mcauliffe, who made a living and fortune by hustling donors is accusing cuccinelli of anything. this guy is a self-described hustler. he promised all these jobs with green tech to come to virginia. not one have materialized. just google fast terry and find out anything you need to know about terry mcauliffe. he's a political hack. >> now, name calling. cuccinelli wants a woman not to
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be able to get a divorce in virginia unless her husband gives her approval. >> in that poll we just released yesterday, mcauliffe has a five-point advantage. who's going make virginia a better place to live, who's going to improve the economy. cuccinelli waited until after donald gave back the money. >> i think it's going to be close as hell. good to know where you stand. >> he'll detroit virginia. >> okay, thank you for that. that is so ludicrous and such a hail mary, like all hail marys, it was in the recession. you can say what you want, but i think you're going to eat those words. she is not anticoal. coming up, let me finish with a time when politics worked. be right back after this. did he? "i" formation! "i" formation! we have got to get the three-technique block! i'm not angry. i'm not yellin'. nobody's tackling anybody! we got absolutely...
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october 1st, my big book tip and the giper. my account of the six hf y-yearl between these two jibts. it's a colorful inside look at what it was like back then. back when the left and right knew how to fight. fight strong for conviction, but in a way that got things done for the country. it's when politics worked. i know, i was there, all the
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time sanding at tip o'neill's side. there's been a legend over the years of how these two leaders fought during the day, but were friends after 6:00. i first heard of that 6:00 rule from president reagan himself the night he came to deliver his first state of the union. what made things worked by then wasn't two older irish guys sitting around over drinks. it was a set of powerful american values we could use today. respect the american voter even when the vote goes the other way. look for compromise when necessary and be alert to common ground to those areas where all americans can agree and always be able to talk to each other. keep the lines open to keep the government working for the peop peop people. things were different in those days. they were different. hits the stores october 1st. an important look for the ages, but really for right now. get the book as soon as possible. with the threats of government shutdown and default on the debt
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and all kinds of hell breaking loose right now, the timing and value of this great book, of these two great leaders and how they did business together couldn't be greater and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight, we could be just five legislative days away from a government implosion, but a shocking 44% of americans agree with republicans that we should send the country into an economic abis. also tonight, herpes infected monkeys terrorize florida, but that's not even the craziest headline to come out of the state alone. plus, a job ad for the "wall street journal" tells you everything you need to know about the state of our economy and journalism. we begin tonight with a new poll that shows a plurty of americans favoring
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