for being on. that is "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. thank you for tuning in. tonight's lead, breaking news. any moment now d.c. police are expected to hold a news conference on today's deadly mass shooting in our nation's capital. one gunman has been identified, but another potential suspect is still at large. here's the latest. at least 13 people are dead including the suspected shooter. another dozen people have been hurt, some critically. the gunman has been identified as 34-year-old aaron alexis. he's a former petty officer in the navy reserves. police are still looking for a second possible suspect in the shooting. here are some of the emergency calls from the shooting as it happened. >> we got a report on the fourth

floor, a male with a shotgun. multiple shots fired, multiple people down. we're still waiting for the okay that the scene has been secured. we have an active shooter on the fourth floor. will give an update on the building location with several victims now. i think at this time requested the bus. >> it all happened at the naval sea systems command on the grounds of the navy yard. just miles away from capitol hill and the white house. it's the ceremonial and administrative center for the u.s. navy. about 3,000 people work in the building. the shooting took place in a cafeteria and sent people fleeing in panic. >> i heard three gun shots. pow pow pow, straight in a row. about three seconds later there were four more gun shots and all

of the people there in the cafeteria, we panicked. we were trying to decide which way we were going to run out of. the people of, the workers wanted us to stay. but i just ran. >> someone came up talking to me saying there's a shooter in your building. then i heard two more shots. one hit him, he went down in front of me. i took off from there. >> the guy you were with? >> correct. she was not in the head. did not look like he made it so i ran from there. >> again, d.c. is expected to hold a conference any moment now. we'll bring it live as soon as it happens. joining me now is craig melvin live at the navy yard. what can you tell us? >> reporter: reverend al, let me step out of the way and show you the scene right now. we're just a few blocks away from where the newser is going to start here in a few minutes. you're looking right outside the

navy yard. you can still see hundreds of folk who is have gathered. you're seeing another familiar scene. buses headed to that navy yard. these buses, we're told, are taking the folks who work there, they're taking them home. they're dropping some off at the metro station. they're dropping some of them off at other metro stations. they're making sure 3,000 people or so who have been on lockdown all day long get home to their families. this is the scene we've been seeing play out over the last few hours. this part of southeast d.c. where we are remains on lockdown. police chief kathy lanier indicated they are still searching for a black male, 40s, 50s, about 5'10." they're being careful to say they're not necessarily sure that he is directly involved, but they want to talk to this -- they want to talk to this guy to either rule him in or rule him out. they're actively searching for him right now. also right now on the ground,

adds you can see probably not a lot of activity because a lot of streets here in d.c. also remain closed at this hour. we can tell you that aaron alexis, the 34-year-old man behind all of this allegedly right now in new york. law enforcement at a house belonging to family members of alexis. they are talking to those family members. we also found out according to our affiliate here in the washington, d.c., area, he was arrested in 2010 for discharging a firearm in the fort worth area. so again a picture of this 34-year-old man starting to emerge. we expect that we may learn a little bit more about him at this news conference that's kpapted to start any minute. i've also had the opportunity to talk to people that were at the navy yard when the shooting started. >> so you actually spoke to some

of the witnesses? let's listen to some of that. >> when i was walking up the steps, i heard what i thought was a locker door slamming. but, you know, i didn't know if it was a -- it didn't sound like gun shot to me. i went through the double doors. at that point, i heard another round of what i now know is gun shots. maybe four to five. >> screaming as well? >> no. i never heard no screaming. that was surprising. i never heard any screaming. i never heard "oh my god," nothing. i didn't hear none of that. i exited the building not knowing what it was. >> so this witness giving you what happened and saying he was surprised he heard no screaming. >> reporter: yeah. and you know what? we talked to another witness shortly thereafter that said the scene at the navy yard was not terribly chaotic. it took awhile for folks to

understand what was happening. i can also tell you right now in just the last few moments nbc news reporting that initially police thought that there was more than one gunman who was responsible. tonight they are saying confidently that the shots were fired by one man who apparently -- again, apparently had a grudge against the navy. again, that -- >> now, so -- and they're being careful to say the other person they're looking to talk to is not necessarily involved, but they want to talk to him to make that determination. >> reporter: precisely. at this point it sounds adds if they no longer consider that man, that person a suspect. at one point this afternoon they were looking for two people. white guy, black guy, about the same age. both wearing some sort of military gear. but at this point they're saying that they think that this gunman acted alone this morning. >> now, what kind of facility is

it? how did this alleged gunman get access and actually get into the navy base? or into the navy yard? >> reporter: that's a really good question, reverend al. that's a question we've posed several times today to people who work here. and best we can gather and again, this is coming from folks who work there. you've got different access points. you've got about 3,000 people who work there. it's a massive facility, the navy yard. this happened in building 197. i talked to someone who worked at an adjacent building, he said in building 197 you've got key card access. but there are parts of the building that require some sort of passing through a metal detector. it's unclear at this point whether the gunman had to pass through one of those parts of the building. we do know based on some early reporting that the gunman did use a card key that was not his

own. to get into the building. but that's about all we know. one would imagine over the next few hours and days we should find out a bit more about how it was that he was able to access that building. >> he could have possibly found the card, stolen the card, we just don't know how he was in possession of the card key that he had? >> reporter: yes. exactly. and there's also been some talk today about, you know, the wearing of the military uniform and the guns and things of that nature. we should point out that the navy yard here in d.c., this is a facility where you have civilian contractors. you also have uniformed members of the military who work here as well. so it's not uncommon or unusual to see people walking around in military garb. it's also not uncommon for people to carry firearms on

base. another colleague did investigation. according to the roommate of alexis, he had a concealed weapons permit. so again, over the next few days we should find out a bit more about how it was that he came to acquire these weapons. >> so what we do know is his name was aaron alexis. 34 years old. he was in the navy from 2007 to 2011. he's originally moved there from fort worth. and was from new york and has relatives in new york that we're told are being questioned by police. and he recently began working as a civilian contractor. and we're told he was arrested once for discharging a firearm in fort worth but the arrest was in washington, d.c. >> reporter: the arrest was actually in fort worth. >> okay. >> reporter: it was actually in

fort worth. we can also tell you that apparently he was never active duty. he was never an active duty member of the military. i can also tell you right now -- again, this is all information just coming in. the surveillance video, we've been talking today about the surveillance video that was shot at the time of the scene. captured around the time of the shooting, it shows three people with guns drawn. that prompted the all-out search for possible accomplices. so again, law enforcement tonight and tomorrow are going to be looking at that surveillance video very carefully pouring over it. they're also talking to anyone who had any type of contact with r alexis leading up to the shooting. we heard from police chief kathy lanier leading up to the shoot. she said her officers apparently

became engaged with alexis and there was a gun palt that ensued and they shot him because they were confident had they not shot him, he was not going to stop shooting. >> all right. msnbc's craig melvin on the scene in washington, d.c. feel free to come back and update us as any information comes your way. thank you so much though. now, let me bring in eugene o'donnell, professor of law and police study at john j. college. and former fbi profiler clint van zandt. the investigation is now being turned over to the fbi. what are agents focused on right now? >> well, you can be sure law enforcement, the d.c. police, and federal agents at this point have their "a" team on the field. really it's following the trail and seeing how far the trail

goes. usually work place violence, grudges like this tend to be alone people. really most importantly trying to exclude any potential there's something more to this than what meets the eye. what meets the eye at this point is this guy has a grudge and goes there to shoot folks. but you can't take anything for granted -- >> we are about to go live to the press conference. excuse me, eugene. vincent grey is about to speak. >> it's been a long and tragic day in the district of columbia. we are all saddened by the events of today. we wanted to take this opportunity to brief you as much as we can. we really don't have a lot of new information as this continues to unfold. we're still seeking the identity of the person who was identified as having been in a drab, out of

color uniform. a man about 50. you heard the description earlier of that person. again, i want to extend on behalf of the entire city and those who are with us our heart felt condolences to the families of those who were killed in this horrific tragedy. we know there are 13 fatalities at this stage. 12 which occurred on the site including the shooter and one who died at the hospital. again, we don't have any motive at this juncture. there are those who asked about whether terrorism was involved. we have no information that would suggest that's the case at this point. and we will continue through the night, continue with this investigation and obviously within the days and weeks ahead. i want to call upon -- we'll do this in the same order as we did

before. chief kathy lanier. then we'll have our fbi representative. we'll have our chief of the park police and then our congresswoman. chief lanier? >> the only thing additional we can add right now is we are still continuing to ask our community to remain out of of the area and shelter in place. we still are working diligently to either verify of clear whether we have that last additional person of interest out. whether they're going to be involved or not. that process is not complete. so this is still an active investigation. we still have a lot of law enforcement activity in the area. please bear with us. and ask that people stay out of the area until we give the all clear. i will also add that our officer from npd is recovering. he does have serious injuries, but we know he's going to be okay. and i wanted to thank all of our community members who have shown

an outpouring of support for our mpd family. so we do have the officer now who is out of surgery and stable. he's going to be okay. so traffic closures remain the same as before. they will probably remain closures across m street throughout the night. this is going to be a longer term information i think once we clear that last suspect whether that is going to be a person we're looking for or not, we'll have some additional closures lifted. but right now everything remains closed. and this is active. so we're asking the shelter in place to remain. the moment we have additional information, we'll release it and make sure the press is updated. thank you. >> good afternoon. though we do not have any further detail to share at this time about the deceased shooter, we again ask the public to look at the photos of aaron alexis

and contact the fbi with any and all information. the photos are available on fbi.gov and all information can be reported to 1-800-call-fbi. this investigation is still very act i. we will continue to work with our partners to track down every bit of information that we learn. the assistance of the public is vital in investigations of this type as we try to piece together the movements and contacts of the subject. no piece of information is too small. please call to report any and all information to 1-800-call-fbi. thank you. >> i just want to add one thing. for all of our local folks that are following the news coverage here, there is misinformation that is getting out through a variety of different sources. i will say to our friends in the media, if you have sources inside of the law enforcement agencies that are reporting, they're not official reports

unless they come through this body or from the fbi. so what unfortunately happens is law enforcement sources will hear something. as that gets passed around, it oftentimes is not accurate and then is reported in the press. if it's not coming from this official body or the fbi, it is not confirmed. there's a lot of misinformation getting out. we are trying to make sure factual information is being pushed out through the sources and on the twitter and all of our contracts. if you have sources reporting something, try to verify with us first. that results in additional calls coming in that divert our resources. thank you. >> and a personal note at this point. we're now in a support role as the united states park police we

were among. first responders this morning. i wanted to thank the community who puts up with some tragedy like this today. as the day has gone on, our officers have been stopped on the street and said thank you to over and over again. thank you for recognizing the heroics of officer who is run towards dangerer every day. it does make it very meaningful to them when they've had a day like today. so thank you. >> well, thank you, chief. and let me thank the mayor and all who gathered here several times. by coming forward to give residents of the region information, you have done something important. you have kept the fear level down. the fear rises when people don't have information and don't feel safe. this happens to me.

a thriving area of residents. not just a place for federal facilities. you see here when i go on, hill row mind congress this shooting happened in their neighborhood. very close to congress. and yet i just want to say to residents who are coming home today that the response of the police, the taking down of the shooter so quickly convinces me yet again this is the safest city in the united states. not safe from attack, but safe. today the police and the responders saved many lives. perhaps when this investigation is over, we'll have some sense of just how many. much of that has to do with the

close working relationship between mpd and federal police of which they are several and show today. and i think it showed up very well. when i say this is the safest city in the united states, i want also to reinforce the safety that the security systems command has always generated. and we know that because of the difficulty of getting also because it was open to the community in the evenings. even built a facility so it could act community events. we want to maintain that balance. and tonight we want to say to residents that we don't think there's anything to fear in the city. i think you saw by the way in which multiple police forces who work so closely together achieved a closure here that this is a safe city and we can go about our business in a usual way. thank you very much.

>> question? yes? [ inaudible question ] >> we're not going to comment on any of that at this point. probably not for some time. >> chief, was there a shooter team on patrol? >> we had both respond. we had initial responding officers who entered the base and had official active shooter teams assembled. i'm not going to comment on that at this point. >> here. [ inaudible question ] >> there's been -- obviously there is no place you can go in

any city and not have multiple videos available. there are multiple videos being reviewed. we have no video to release to the public at this point. right now the video we're reviewing is part of the investive process. >> let me add. the video i was referring to was the one that identified the person in the other uniform who we thought was a suspect initially. and we were able to confirm that he was not a suspect, that he actually was on the scene when someone else was shot. and he moved out of the way. and he was then interviewed. he's been absolved of any responsibility. >> can you talk about taking people out besides the wounded. can you expand on that? >> i was talking about people being wounded or evacuated that fled to roofs of the buildings. i think some of your cameras

caught that footage. at the same time they served as eyes on the sky while they were there. just a well coordinated effort. >> how many people were admitted? >> i don't, sir. >> patrick and then you will get the last question, sir. >> have family members of the victims been notified during the process? >> no, they have not. we're still in the process of identifying who the victims are. so there is no information that's been fully confirmed at this stage. that process continues. and so we will identify the families, of course, first once we know who have been involved. yes, sir? >> -- in place in the navy yard? >> there are still people coming out of the navy yard. how many, i do not know at this stage. they were still some of them uniformed officers of the navy that were coming out getting on the bus. thank you, all, very much.

>> you have just seen a live press conference in washington, d.c. around this horrific shooting today. that was vincent gray as well as d.c. police chief lanier. and what we know is that there has been 13 people dead including the alleged shooter. the shooter has been identified as aaron alexis, 34 years old. he was in the navy from 2007 to 2011. originally from fort worth, texas. he was working at the navy yard in d.c. recently as a civilian contractor. we were told in this press conference it is still very much an active investigation. they are seeking a second

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we're back now with our breaking news of the shootings at the washington navy yard. 13 dead including the gunman. now, let me bring back eugene o'donnell and former fbi profiler clint van zandt. eugene, the investigation is now being turned over to the fbi. what are the agents focused on? >> again, trying to make sure this is the trail in the extent of where it is that there's one

shooter. if there's a second shooter, they're going to try to identify that. you're seeing the law enforcement version of community policing. a crucial part of this is getting outreach to the community. folks know the individual will know what kind of motivations he has, what grievances they have. they're doing a national dragnet of information to try to get folk who is may know something about this. you can sort of read between the lines. it's unlikely there's a file somewhere on him that's of great length. this is a dragnet approach to get as much information as they can in addition to all the information they're going to have. obviously d.c. is one of the most dencamera-dense cities in america. >> clint, we were told in this latest briefing to the press that it is an active

investigation and there is a possible second person. they didn't say they were a suspect or in what capacity, but a possible second person. what can you take from those statements? >> it would be a statistical anomaly to have multiple, in this case upwards of three or even two individuals in involved in a violence in a work place situation. we normally see someone who acts out as you well know from covering these stories, someone whose level of anger, frustration, and rage eventually boils over and they convince themselves that they have to go out and act out against whoever they consider the bad guy in the workplace. and they do it many times resulting in their own death. either by their own hands or in a confrontation with law enforcement. so in this particular situation,

there's nothing to indicate. a former roommate of the shooters described him as a mild mannered buddhist who you and i know to be a form of life, a philosophy of life that advocates. all of these things suggest if anything, we have got one person that acted out in a terrible way because of something he felt was some wrong that was done to him by somebody else. >> we don't know yet, but if there were multiple gunmen, would there have been more of the damage than shockingly seeing with 12 and the gunman making 13? >> i think the answer is there could have been. realize he's firing an ar-15, a double barrelled shotgun and a semiautomatic pistol. i've heard one or more reloading

his weapons as he continued to fire. al, that's a tremendous amount of fire power. again, we have no information whatsoever from any witness that puts another gun in the hand of anybody else that was firing or shooting at anyone during this situation. could there have been people that helped this guy, contributed to him? we know that the i.d. he used to get in belongs to a man who supposedly is on some type of administrative leave who says he doesn't know the shooter. so why today? why this location? why this many guns? a lot of questions that still need to be answered, al. >> eugene, the card that he use ed, being on administrative leave saying he doesn't know the shooter. the shooter could have stolen the card. the shooter could have in some way found the card or in fact we

could find out that, in fact, they did know each other. these are the kinds of things that law enforcement would be looking into at this point. >> yeah. not taking this for granted and making sure there's no surprises. i'm sure they're looking at his file as a military person and trying to put these people in boxes clearly is a mental health element here. or is this just workplace violence? would he have traveled overseas? just making sure the bases are covered. but at least from what we know it just appears to be an act of derangement and workplace violence. which there's a long history that predates 9/11 where people go to shoot up former employment locations. it's occurred for many years in the country. what's disturbing is the blood lust, the level to which these

people not only take on the perceived wrong doers but in some cases tend to be taking out every day in sight. that's disturbing and sickening really. >> clint, how much interest do you think law enforcement will have on the fact this man apparently had a lot of ammunition, a lot of guns and firearms with them. and seemed to be able to move at least into the navy yard and around to execute this seemingly without any kind of detection or at least being prevented from moving around. how much is that going to raise a concern to investigators? >> well, i think part of the investigation is going to be like when we looked at the colorado movie theater shooting, that terrible massacre. and you saw that the individual who committed that had almost a year to put his plan together,

to assemble the weapons, the ammunition, the body armor, everything else that he used. so everything that was used today -- again, weapons, ammunition, et cetera -- is going to be kind of a paper trail as they see was this just a terrible spontaneous incident, or is this something he planned over a period of time. as your other guest suggests, is this just a terrible mental health issue? we have nothing that said he made a political statement. he didn't make a religious statement like was suggested made by major hasan during the shooting in texas. so right now there's nothing to indicate anything other than a potentially deranged individual. but, you know, because he's deranged doesn't make him crazy, per se, and doesn't make him stupid, al. somehow this guy was able to assemble everything he needed to include a badge, guns,

ammunition and to get on a relatively secure facility that had multiple levels of security, and still commit this act of carnage. one more time, it's time for us to revisit security on facilities like this and say what can we do better to stop this in the future. >> eugene o'donnell and clint van zandt, thank you both for your time. clint, please stick around. when we come back, we're starting to learn some details about the alleged shooter today. he was from texas. and we'll go there live next. bold has a huge imagination. a playground of innovation, color, and design. showing up where we least expect it. and taking inspiration from our wildest dreams. because kohler doesn't see the world in fixtures and faucets.

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officials have identified the gunman as 34-year-old aaron alexis. a former petty officer in the naval reserves.

nbc talked to a man who describes himself as aaron's best friend and former roommate today. >> he's a good guy, you know. from what i know. i can't say that he didn't or not, but while he was with me, nothing to be -- like tell me he's going to be aggressive. no sign he's going to shoot someone. >> joining me now by phone is nbc's charles hadlock. charles, what else did this man say about the alleged shooter -- and charles, by the way, is in fort worth. what else did he say about the alleged shooter? >> well, aaron alexis was a resident of fort worth. he worked at the station in fort worth. and he worked that a thai man with the man you just heard from. that man claimed he was aaron's best friend and they were

roommates for four months. that ended when aaron apparently left fort worth and took the job in washington. we also spoke to another friend today who was an acquaintance of aaron u alexis. he says that every time he saw alexis, he was playing video games and violent type of video games. the kind where you shoot around corners. not at targets, but at people. >> so i understand this friend said it was like an obsession with video games. >> it was. in fact, we were all invited to his apartment to watch football one night but he never came out of his room but once or twice. he stayed online playing these violent video games where you shoot people. he says, this guy wanted to play with me and i'm going to pick him up on it. >> did he give any indication of a timeline, how long ago this was? >> well, he also said that some

time last year that aaron alexis took a job with a subcontractor who flew him to tokyo to work on computer equipment. and alexis called this man, his friend, and said several times complaining that the subcontractor was slow in paying him. he said if anything, that was the maddest he ever saw him. that may have been a motive, perhaps. but it happened last year. so that's a long grudge to keep until now if that's the case. >> and he called from tokyo making this complaint. >> correct. >> and his complaint was that he was being played slowly and this particular friend said that's the most angry he'd ever seen him or ever heard him. >> correct. that is what the -- one of the acquaintances of aaron alexis said here in fort worth. the man also said i'm not sure if he ever got paid by the

subcontractor. he was upset until he got another job with another subcontractor and moved off to washington. >> all right, charles. thank you so much. let me bring back clint van zandt. clint, you've been willing to the report from charles from fort worth. is there anything that you get out of this as a former fbi profiler or just still too sketchy to even begin putting some kind of form to this? >> no. i do get something out of this, al. this is something i was looking for. i was looking for this video game aspect of it. you know, you covered the adam lanza shooting, the sandy hook shooting, and we know that young man played those violent video

games for hours and hours. many do this and refine shooting skills but they lose the ability to identify with human tragedy. you and i and everybody else becomes a number, a point, a medal they can win instead of a loss of another beating human heart. and one more time it sounds like we're seeing that played out again. and al, for the video industry and everybody to say not me, we understand few people who play those games actually act out. but there are those who stand on the edge of the abyss and look for the chance to jump over like this guy did today. >> so let me get this right. you're saying that the possible outcome of these obsessive video games is one to sharpen your shooting skills but secondly to really desensitize you to your

targets being human beings. >> whether one does that intentionally or that's just a result, you become numb. totally numb to the human experience of pain, suffering. and you start to equate that with just one more score to put up on a tally board. and in this case, it allows you to go in and in your fantasy perhaps act out this video game, except it's a real gun, real bullets, and real blood coming out of the victims you shoot. >> thank you for your time tonight. and might i add, we have no way of knowing anything about the video games' impact on this young man or if that's the case. we're going by the statement by one friend and we're try together put together whatever we can on this horrific day. now let's bring in don clark, in

charge of the fbi office in austin. don, at this point what can you tell us that you would surmise is going on now in the field office there in the nation's capital? what are they looking for? what will give them leads? give us a sense as much as you can of what you think is going on at this stage of this tragedy. >> it's a good question, al. because when you're in law enforcement, a lot of these type of organizations, what you really have to do is see how did this person get to this point? at what point did they get there? did they get there because they stumbled themselves upon something or started to commit a crime of this nature? or were they taught somewhere along the line to get involved in some type of activity and that they have the training and so forth and that's the terrible situation right there is where you have people that will grab -- and a lot of times it is

young people that develop into this so that they are the one who is lead out and make these very devastating situations that we've seen occur here today. >> now, do you feel that as friends and others are being questioned, they are still looking for a possible second person. and we're being told very carefully they're not saying that that person is a suspect. they're not saying that person was involved directly. why this kind of caution is it to not scare the person off? or give me a reason that we're hearing the very cautious way we're hearing description of this person of interest. >> i suspect that if the law enforcement people are saying that we want to find out that there's another person that may be involved in that, i don't think they do this just by pulling something out of the sky. i think there has to be some information that they have come

upon. and i have no idea obviously what it is at this point. but i think there obviously has to be something that they feel that there has to be something else. you know what else is that they may have spoken to somebody too that may have told them that yes, it was someone else. and perhaps even given them some identities of who that might be. >> all right, don clark. thank you so much. please stay with us. more on the shootings in washington. we'll be right back. weekdays are for rising to the challenge.

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3,000 people worked at the scene of today's deadly shootings at the navy yard in washington. here are some of those eyewitness accounts. we are going to show you as they gave their immediate reaction within moments of witnessing 12 people shot and then the alleged gunman shot. 13 people dead. here are some of the accounts of eyewitnesses at the scene. >> they say let's stay here in the cafeteria. i said no i'm getting out. so everybody just started running out of the side door. that's when we saw the female security guard, she had her gun drawn. she said move away as fast as you can. clear the shelter. >> did she tell you to go inside

buildings on the compound? >> no. she just told us to run, run, run. >> as i was walking up the steps, i heard what i thought was a locker door slamming. but i didn't know if it was a printer. didn't sound like gun shots to me. so i went on through the double doors. at that point i heard another round of what now i know is gun shots. maybe four to five. >> screaming as well? >> no. i never heard no screaming. that was surprising. i never heard any screaming. i never heard "oh my god," nothing. nothing like that. so i heard the shots and i exited the building not knowing what it was. >> there was an individual that came up behind us that was talking to me saying there's a shooter in your building. then i heard two more shots. one of them hit him, he went down in front of me and i took off from there. >> the guy you were with? >> the guy i was talking to. >> got shot? >> correct. he was shot in the head and did

not look like he made it, so i ran from there. >> i was in a conference room with my staff having a meeting when we heard what sounded like gun fire. and then we heard from outside the conference area that there was a -- someone was shooting on the floor. and we closed the conference room door and barricaded ourselves in. we saw bullet holes in the wall above us. i'm reasonably sure i lost a dear friend in there, a colleague i served with in the pentagon with years ago. >> don clark, as you hear these eyewitnesses, it seems like no one is saying there was an argument or any kind of verbal altercation. it sounds like the first anyone heard anything different was when there was the gunfire. >> yeah. and i listen to that and what it tells me is that there was no targets inside this facility, is that someone had already come up

with the plan that this was what they were going to do today. and they were going to do that to do for whatever means that they thought that it was for. and that's why they were going to go. they probably planned to make that as silent as they could in their favor to be able to get in and do the damage they did earlier today. >> all right, don clark. thank you very much. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses.

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you see what i call senseless trauma. and there is something evil in our society that we as americans have to work on to try and eradicate. what we know of this horrific shooting today is that there are 12 dead, 1 gunman also dead. 13 total. there are many others injured. some critically. the shooter, deceased, has been identified as aaron alexis. 34 years old. we're told it remains an active investigation and one other person is of interest.

they have not been called a suspect and they've not been identified. what we do know is that these horrific and senseless despicable acts are something that all of us must pray stops in this country. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. good evening i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. it's been a day of violence here in washington. a dozen people shot dead earlier today not far from the u.s. capitol. the gunman aaron alexis had served in the naval reserve. it took place at the naval facility a mile and a half away from the capitol. he used several weapons including a semiautomatic rifle.