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regulation of firearms and ammunition, maybe even just as it relates to mental illness you are still waiting for these those >> we are about to hear more from washington d.c. police and fbi about the mass murderer who shot and killed 12 people in the washington d.c. navy yard. a news conference is set to begin any minute now. we will bring it to you as soon as it's underway. but here 13 hours after those people were shot and killed, police say they are still working on identifying those victims and notifying their families. three victims of the shooting remain hospitalized tonight.
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but doctors expect those three to recover fully from their wounds. navy commander tim jiris was actually speaking to one of the victims when he was shot. >> an individual came up and was talking to me and said there is a shooter in your building. i heard two more shots. i took off from there. >> the guy you were with? >> the guy i was talking to. >> got shot? >> correct. >> and what was his situation? did you try to assess? >> he was shot in the head. he did not look like he made it. i don't know if he was aiming for him or me. but i got out of there as soon as i could. i realized i couldn't do anything for him. >> the alleged murderer was shot and killed in a gun battle with police. he was a u.s. navy civilian contractor who worked in information technologies. he previously served in the navy
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reserves between may 2007 and january 2011. here is how the scene was described. >> it certainly was one of the worst things we have seen in washington. officers were making transmissions and keeping commanders informed of what they were coming across as they went through. multiple victims. there was gunfire still going on this is what we train for. we were able to pull active shooter teams together and compliments to the partners here in the national capital region. we were able to pull officers and put them in a single team and get them into the building in seven minutes. no question he would have kept shooting. casey, you are at the scene of the press conference. what is it that we expect to learn at this hour?
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>> at this point, it's not definitive what we're going to actually here. but at this hour we're really waiting for the sad accounting for the victims. we still don't have a full picture of how many people died although officials have said at least 13 civilians and we have not yet begun to understand who they are and go through that grieving process. at this hour, there are still thousands of people inside the navy yard waiting to be bussed out. the fbi has been talking with those who actually did have some connection with the event before they have been letting them out. they have been bussing people over to nationals park where there was supposed to be a baseball game tonight. we are still getting the full picture from people who were actually witnesses to what happened today. i did speak with one man who was nearby who said they barricaded he and nine of his colleagues barricaded themselves inside a conference room. at one point the ceiling was sprayed with bullets.
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he did hear from somebody that he knew that one of his friends, somebody he had served with at the pentagon had been killed. we're on hour almost 14 of sorting through exactly what happened today and still no real end to this terrible day for all of these people here. lawrence? >> ginger gibson, a place where thousands of people work, what was your -- how would you describe the confusion level among people who are trying to get out of there? >> i was at nationals stadium earlier today. it is being used as a place where they are reuniting families. a lot of families confused. a lot of people looking for the woman whose mother was working inside the building. she was able to get in touch with her through a co-worker's cell phone to a neighbor. a lot of people were texting
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assured that their family member was safe but still very nervous. there are lots of people on the navy yards. and their family members don't know when they will get to see them next. they can't drive their car. they don't have any other way to get home. there is a lot of confusion and a lot of people trying to sort out what exactly took place. >> the latest update in washington indicates that they have located the suspect's rental car in the garage across the street from the building where the shooting occurred. they are in the process of searching the hotel rooms of the suspect and his fellow contractors. it appeared that alexis entered
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the building armed and one of the first persons shot was the security gart at the entrance. it is believed that he then took that guard's side arm and either picked up the assault rifle from a safe or cabinet nearby or also the guard may have had a long gun with him. this is one of the mysteries of the day. it seems that the shooter ended up with three weapons but probably didn't start with three weapons. >> as you remember questions about how many active shooters there were at any given time. you had police confused, not necessarily confused by warning the general public and reporters gathered outside the scene here that there could be more than one suspect in this case. we have since learned that it was just this, they believe now it was just confined to this one active shooter.
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we are starting to get more details as you outline more of where the guns came from. a source said that he would have passed a criminal background check to get the gun he may have brought on to the complex himself. >> let's listen to what the suspect's brother in law said. >> the initial reaction, i was not here for. when i got here they were very distraught, stressed out, tears. it's very hurtful. the hearts are going out more to the victims, the people that got hurt. >> ginger gibson, i don't want to read too much into that. he doesn't seem completely shocked. says didn't see it coming. but i don't hear a comment that this is unimaginable. we would think he would never do something like this. >> we're going to be waiting to hear maybe tonight the details of what happened inside that building or in the morning. but the more difficult part and
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the part we all want to know is why. how did he get to a point where he could do something like this. listening to what the brother had to say. i know there are folks in texas talking to friends. former roommates, co-workers, trying to put together those pieces is going to be difficult to try to grasp. we all want to grasp what would make someone do such a horrific thing. the brother in law didn't seem too surprised but remember that shock is at play here. it's very difficult to try to put together in such a short amount of time why and how someone could do something like this. >> we're joined now by nbc news national investigative reporter. michael, what is your understanding of the latest version of where we are? >> the latest version is, as you just reported, the rental car has been located across the street in the garage. and law enforcement authorities are trying to get the search warrant tosser ch those.
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but the big unanswered question here is why. motive has not yet been established. the closest that i have seen are the interviews with the friends who talk about that he had some sort of beef with the contracting firm that had employed him. didn't feel he was being paid. was ticked off at them and had this propensity that i think one of his friends or acquaintances. we heard that before. with adam lanza and the newtown shooting. it's fair to say there is is a lot of unanswered questions. just a couple of points on access to the base. we did get this statement tonight from hp confirming that
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alexis had been employed by a sub contracting firm called the experts, which was part of an hp contract to refresh equipment used on the navy. they went down and refreshing them, replacing them. that did apparently give him access to the base and might explain how he got in there in the first place. >> we're still waiting for the latest update from a press conference that casey hunt is attending. and likel, the -- there is information that has been developed now in the last few hours saying that this suspect had been treated multiple times for psychological issues including sleep dep revags, anger, paranoi ya. he had been treated at a va hospital in new england.
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rhode island, possibly massachusetts. so we are still in the process of developing this psychological profile. >> exactly. there is clearly a lot that we don't know. we do know we found that he had this arrest record. he had been arrested on misdemeanor charges in september of 2010, which is is a few months before his discharge from the navy. it's worth pointing out that the charges were dropped and they would not have been a barrier to him buying the weapon. we know that he -- or weapons. we know that or believe that he did purchase this shotgun in virginia just northern virginia, not far from washington d.c. but nothing that we know of in his background would have prevented him from doing that or passing a background check. >> we are going to a press conference. the mayor is about to speak.
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>> we will follow the same order of presentation that we did earlier. i will be followed by the chief who will be followed by our fbi washington director. and then chief chambers and congress woman norton. we don't have a great deal of new information to present to you at this point. i think we mentioned earlier that we had ruled out one of the suspects. no longer being a suspect. we continue to pursue the possibility of there being another shooter. we don't have any indication at this stage that there was yet another shooter even though we haven't completely ruled that out. that was the person as you probably will recall who was identified as wearing a olive, drab uniform. somebody around 55 years of age,
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5'10" and graying side burns. we have not identified that person nor do we have a lot of cooperating evidence. we don't know what the motive is at the stage. we were asked earlier if there was likely terrorism involved. we have no indication of that. we haven't ruled that out. we continue to investigate that. we know that there are 13 fatalities including the shooter who perished today. their ages are 46 years of age to 73 years of age, the families are still in the process of being notified. seven families have been notified and the process continues to notify the other six.
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we don't know exactly when that process will be completed but it is continuing now as we speak. i also want to update the issue around injuries. we didn't have precise numbers earlier. we were using estimates. we now know that there are eight people who incured one or another kind of injury. of the eight, three were shot. they all are -- that includes officer scott williams who the chief and i just went to visit earlier this evening who is doing well. he is in great spirits. there were two other civilians who were shot and they are relatively minor injuries. the other five injuries range anywhere from reaction to chest pain. so again -- they won't be fined. one other point before i turn it over to chief lenier.
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we anticipate tomorrow morning that the traffic patterns will be back to normal. all the bridges will be open. even as the investigation will continue into the days ahead. again we have been in close contact with the white house. the president has reached out. his staff and the president through them have reached out to connect with us as this process has unfolded. so again, this is a horrific tragedy. i want to thank all of the first
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responders who have done a terrific job dealing with the tragedy. our police officers and various law enforcement agencies who have done a sterling job and i want to especially thank fire and emergency medical services for the work that they have done today as well. they had obviously many transports that they had to make and they did an extraordinary job doing that. and chief, where are you? i want to thank you for the work that you did today in order to be able to handle that important responsibility. so with that having been said, let me ask chief lenier to come up and share some things with you>> i will pick up where the mayor left off. i can't say enough about the first responders. all the training, exercising and daily interaction that we have here with more than 30 law enforcement agencies of some type in the district, the team
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work as we hear story after story and having been on the scene and listening to transmissions throughout the course of the day, 24 years doing this in the city. i a am very proud of the team work. the abltd to quickly pull together to spare the teams of law enforcement, the heroic efforts, park police working with metropolitan police department quickly entering the building along with security from the navy yard as well as support from partners quickly brought in mutual aid. to see three difference jurisdictions had less than 45 minutes to coordinate response. brought to fire ems. and their med evacjust incredible work. united states marshall service
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entering buildings with teams. also ncis who assisted in picking up and carrying an injured police officer out of the building we have heard from police officers and firefighters just terrific responses and thank you for all of the local and regional partners who responded. i will say metro transit as well. the special recognition that really stepped up today to help us get large number of never had to ask for any support. they are always there to provide what we need so we really appreciate the work of metro transit. as of right now with the last outstanding lookout that we had for the potential last person
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connected to the deceased shooter, that was a lookout we put out for a black male between the ages of 40 and 50 in an olive drab uniform. obviously we had multiple witness accounts that we were sorting through. we have now exhausted all means that we have available to either support or discount that lookout and we are comfortable to lift the shelter in place to the residents of the neighborhood. thank them first of all, but we feel comfortable right now that we have exhausted all means to eliminate that possible last suspect. we do feel comfortable that we have the single and sole person responsible for the loss of life inside of the base today. if anything changes as we continue to go forward we certainly will make that available to the public. again we are lifting the shelter in place and we appreciate the support from our community
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members. we will most likely have all of the traffic closures around the area open by 5:00 a.m. for morning commute. we will make sure that is put out for the public in advance. listen to your local news media before you come to work in the morning. as of right now we have, as we go through finalizing next of kin. we have identified one d.c. resident among the victims. in terms of our outreach in local community, our hearts go out to all of the victims certainly and at least one of our victims we have confirmed as a d.c. resident. at this point we don't have anything to support that any of the victims are active duty military. we have civilian and contractors so far that have been identified. no active military have been identified among the victims at this point. with that i will turn it over to
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the assistant director of the fbi and let her update you on their investigation. >> good evening. as we have stated, this continues to be a very active investigation. the fbi's evidence response teams continue to process the shooting scenes. these teams have special capabilities to include bullet trajectory analysis and crime scene mapping. we continue to follow every lead to include piecing together the movement and activities of aaron alexis. while we have learned some information about his recent where abouts, we continue to work to determine where he has been, who he has talked to, and what he has done. this includes determining the origins of the weapons he used, but because this investigation still continues, we will not comment further on the weapons used in today's shooting.
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we can confirm, however that mr. alexis had legitimate access to the navy yard as a result of his work as a contractor. and he utilized a valid pass to gain entry to the navy yard. we continue to work to locate and verify additional witnesses to today's events and any individuals who may have information about mr. alexis. we appreciate the information provided so far by the public and we continue to ask for any and all information related to mr. alexis and today's tragic events. please report this information by calling 1-800-call-fbi. that's 1-800-225-5324. we again thank the public for your cooperation and will continue to update you on this investigation. thank you.
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>> you heard chief lanier talk about team. we were part of that team this morning. we have a more subordinate role. we commit that we will provide whatever resources available and appropriate to help complete this investigation. thank you. >> thank you more mayor for bringing us to this last report to the city and to the region. as in the beginning, our thoughts are with the victims and their families and they will also be our first thoughts tomorrow when congress reconvenes and i go on the floor to lead moments of silence. we're not going to be silent about the tragedy that occurred here today. there are many outstanding questions. i would say most of the questions are outstanding.
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for many of us in this city who have been plagued by gun violence, among them is how someone, whatever his badge, managed to get a high powered gun into one of the most secure facilities in the district of columbia. i'm sure the navy will be doing its own investigation. tomorrow i will be working with others to get an independent investigation of what occurred here. i'm very, very proud and very grateful for the federal and dc police who responded so prompt ly. they have made the district of columbia since 9/11, the most protected and secure city in the united states. but we do not fool ourselves. we understand that in an open
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and democratic free society, you cannot make yourselves impenetratable especially when there are more guns than there are people in the united states today. we take very seriously security at one of our most secure facilities is penetrated and where the security is breached. but we also regard the naval system command as a neighbor, a part of this residential mixed use neighborhood. and we like it that way. i appreciate, continue to appreciate the banquet room they built so they could accommodate residents. i will be working with the navy and the naval sea system command to maintain the relationship with the neighborhood while suring up the security here in the neighborhood and at the
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facility. thank you very much. >> all right. we will take a few questions. [ inaudible question ] >> there is still quite a bit of work to do. i would expect them to be there for the next couple of days finishing up. it took us a while to clear the building with our teams and they haven't actually been in there that long processing the evidence on scene. i would say 48 hours wouldn't be unreasonable. >> [ inaudible question ]. >> i believe most of the people who were alive have been cleared from the navy yard. >> all civilians and contractors were among casualties. do you have any belief that the shooter was intentionally avoiding shooting military personnel?
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>> we have no information right now as to motive. >> the congress woman was talking about bringing a high powered weapon into the building, into the yard. is there any sense that the suspect was able to lift any of the weapons off of the victims. >> that is part of the ongoing investigation and i can't comment on that. >> there have been reports that a rental car has been found near the scene. >> we are processing a vehicle at the scene related to the shooting. >> are there reports of other officers injured in the navy yard on base or -- >> we do have one police officer with injuries but other related incidents. i believe we do have one contract, i believe contract security working with the naval district of washington. i do believe we have at least one.
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>> his family is here. parents, brothers and sisters. he has been on the department 23, almost 24 years. came on right about the time i did. we worked together for many, many years. she a k-9 officer. he has a pretty serious injury, but right now his family is here with him and he is in good spirits. the mayor was up visiting with him as well and he was certainly very complimentary of the partner agencies who helped to get him out of the building and helped to get him medical attention that he needed. he is just very grateful for all the other responders that helped to get him out of the building and get him the medical attention that he needed. i have known him for most of his 23 years and he has a stellar record. >> why did you think there was a
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second shooter and why is that not so? >> the more information that we can put out, as time goes on. we always err on the side of caution through conglomeration of witness interviews, some camera views. there was potential that there could have been other shooters involved and we believed that the best action for us to take was to make sure our community was safe first. and we weeded through that information secondly. we certainly want to clear the community as quickly as possible but we would rather err on the side of caution so we did that. and we have spent the last several hours trying to go through everything possible to make sure that we were 100% comfortable that we had cleared that information and get it out as quickly as possible. sometimes we ask for a little bit of patience from our community but our goal is to make sure that everybody is safe and that there is no additional harm once we arrive on the scene. >> last question.
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[ inaudible question ] >> there will be a press release put out following this event. i believe that is already completed. those victims that have been identified, confirmed and notified will release that following. this press briefing, i believe it is here with us so we can hand that out. and as the next of kin are notified, we will put out the remainder. >> thank you very much. >> so there we have the investigation conclusion at this stage that the suspect that was killed today is as the police chief put it, the single and sole person responsible. >> right. and one piece of new information that is worth noting here is that he did have a valid pass and legitimate access to navy yard. what is interesting about that is he was working according to
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the statement he got from hewlitt packard navy marine corps intranet, which does suggest that it would have some sort of security clearance and have undergone some sort of background check. we have not confirmed what level that is or. closed military. would normally require that kind of clearance. so i think there is going to be an addition to the questions. we have no felony conviction that we know of in his background.
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there is, i think additional questions about what sort of background check he underwent to get this job. >> thank you very much for join. an extraordinary press conference today. dr. janice forced us to think about why these kinds of shootings keep happening in america. 2004. vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve military members, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve.
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>> i'm the chief medical officer at med star washington hospital center. i'm here to give you an update regarding the three individuals brought to the hospital center. >> the doctor was then able to announce that the three shooting victims her team was treating are all going to recover including the police officer who was shot multiple times. then 15 minutes later in response to a question about the hospital's experience treating gunshot victims, dr. olowski said this. >> we see a lot of trauma and sometimes it's just accidents that occur. and then you see what i call senseless trauma. and there is there is something evil in our society that we as americans have to work to try to
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eradicate. i have to say i may see this every day. i may be the chef medical officer of a very large trauma center, but there is something wrong here when we have these multiple shootings, these multiple injuries, there is something wrong. and the only thing that i can say is we have to work together to get rid of it. i would like you to put my trauma center out of business. i really would. it's a great city. it's a great country and we have to work together to get rid of this because we just cannot have one more shooting with, you know, so many people killed. we have got figure this out. we have got to be able to help each other. it's a challenge to all of us. let's get rid of this. this is not america. this is not washington d.c.
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this is not good. >> joining me now from med star washington hospital, dr. janis orlowski. thank you for staying up late on this very long day. your comment there towards the end of your press conference really captured the nation's attention today beyond the very helpful information that you gave about your patients. it sounds like it is a truly wearisome duty that you have there processing all of the gun victims not just today but washington d.c. in and out of that hospital. >> well, i think it is. the recorder asked me a question. she said we know you to be a great trauma center. is there something different about today? and i think that spoke not only as a physician as the chief medical officer, but i spoke as a mother, as someone who is in this community and it is not
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only weary. i have to say that i worry about this. i worry about our community. mass murders, people walking through schools, people walking through movie theaters, people walking through workplaces. unfortunately it is common, or more common than what it should be. i think that i spoke from the heart when i said we have got to work together as a community to stop this. >> you are certainly in emergency medicine doing your end of this terrible task. but does it feel at the end of this task that society, that government that we are in fact not coming together as you said we must in order to minimize how much of this burden we are sending into our hospitals? >> i think that there is much more that we can be doing and that we should be doing.
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we -- we have multiple mass murders throughout the united states. we have individuals who some of them we know needed mental health care. a number of them could have been identified. i think that we just as you would see anyone who is bleeding on the street to call 911, i think we have to be able to identify and help those individuals who suffer other illnesses that make them act in this way. i believe that it's not just rage. i believe that it's not just anger. i believe that it is -- it's an illness. it's an evilness to have someone raise arms against their fellow man. it's wrong. we need to work to irradicate it. whether it's more support, more mental health or programs to
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help individuals, i spoke frankly when i said the country and to the people who were listening we have got to work on this together. we have got to do better than this. >> doctor, i would like to hear the latest about the patients that you have there at the hospital, the three victims of the shooting. at the press conference, we just heard about officer scott williams, a 23 year veteran of the d.c. police department, a k-9 officer, his chief said that he has, quote, a star record. and that he is in good spirits at this hour. >> i met officer williams when he entered. i would tell you that he came in. he was speaking to the staff. he was immediately thanking
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individuals in the staff. i told the story that one of the things that he wanted to do is get his mother on the phone so that she wouldn't worry and he asked to be able to address her personally. he is gone off to surgery and reremains in great spirits. i would say he is the kind of person we would like to meet. he just comes across as a warm and personal man. he has been a police officer for 23 years protecting us. just a terrific guy. i have -- i would tell you that he is doing well. we have another woman who was shot, her main entry was in her shoulder although she had a few other minor areas of injury. she is just coming out of surgery right now. this is individual also who was speaking when she came into the
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hospital center. she was again making jokes trying to keep things going as we were talking with her and she talked about her time being on the roof. a captain had helped her up to the roof and we wanted to make sure we said thank you to him. the last individual did not need surgery. she is a young woman in her 20s who was at her desk. she actually got under her desk. she stated that she put her hands up when the shooter was there. he ended up hitting her finger and then hit the back of her skull. she is very lucky. she has not required surgery because the bullet fragment did not go through her skull but we are watching her to make sure there is no bleeding.
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she is here with her parents and with her sister and in good spirits. in particular, she is very concerned about the colleagues that were around her at her workplace and has talked to us many times whether we knew information about it. the three shooting victims who came to the hospital center are doing well. two of them have had surgery. they are recovering and i expect a full recovery of all three of them. >> dr. janis orlowski, thank you very much for joining us. i think those who were treated by you were lucky to be in your care and the nation appreciates you, too. >> thank you very much. >> we will be right back.
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>> president obama has given four state of the union addresses, but he has had to address the nation on gun violence more than that. it has now become more routine for the president of the united states to speak to the nation after a mass murder than it is for the president to give state of the union addresses. the authors of the second ammendment never anticipated that. >> i want to begin by offering an update on the tragedy that took place yesterday at fort hood. >> there are families, friends, and an entire nation grieving right now for the valiant men and women who came under attack yesterday in one of the worst mass shootings ever to take place on an american military base. i have ordered the flags at the white house and other federal
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buildings to be flown at half staff. >> earlier today, a number of people were shot in tuscan, arizona, including several meeting at a super market with their congress woman, gabriel giffords. we are still assembling all the facts but we know that representative giffords is one of the victims. she is currently in a local hospital and she is battling for her life. obviously our hearts go out to the family members of those who have been slain. we are going to get to the bottom of this and we're going to get through this. by now many of you know, many of you have heard that a few miles outside of denver, in a town called aurora, at least
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12 people were killed when a gunman opened fire in a movie theater. and dozens more are being treated for injuries at a local hospital. some of the victims are being treated at a children's hospital. >> tonight our prayers in particular are with our friends and fellow americans in the community. we mourn those who were senselessly murdered and injured in their place of worship. we may never understand what motivates such hatred and violence, the perpetrators must know that your twisted thinking is no match for the compassion and the goodness and the strength of our united american family. >> the majority of those who died today were children. beautiful little kids between the ages of 5 and 10 years old.
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they had their entire lives ahead of them, birthdays, graduations, weddings, kids of their own. as a country we have been through this too many times. >> we are confronting yet another mass shooting and today it happened on a military insulation in our nation's capital. it's a shooting that targeted our military and civilian personnel. these are men and women who were going to work doing their job protecting all of us. they are pariots and they know the dangers of serving abroad but today they face the unimaginable violence that they wouldn't have expected here at home.
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here is secretary of state john kerry announcing the deal. >> we have no illusions about the challenges ahead. the united states and russia have not always seen eye to eye. that is known. and we still don't see eye to eye on everything. >> the next thing president obama said this. >> ronald reagan said trust and verify. that has always been the experience of u.s. presidents when we are interacted with first soviet leaders and now russian leaders. we have strong disagreements on all range of issues, but i can talk to him. we have worked together on important issues. so, this is not the cold war. this is not a contest between the united states and russia. >> joining me now is former world chess champion. thanks for joining us. you have learned the putin way of doing business the hard way,
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by actually living in russia and dealing it with on a daily basis. >> there are so many things i want to talk to you about beyond syria but including syria. what advice would you give john kerry in going forward with his day to day negotiations over this? >> i think they already lost. it's not verifiable. and basically the agreement gives a green light because suddenly, two weeks ago he was seeing his bunker fearing for his life, now he is part of the deal. as long as he is come plying or pretends he is complying, even if he does something outrageous again, there is no trigger there. and obama is just -- just blowing up the reputation of his
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office. >> the president and secretary of state -- they seem to have stopped the use of chemical weapons and the process they are engaged in is to prevent them from using it. >> wait, wait, wait. i think -- i agree that that was the -- that was the goal and that's why president said the line. >> red line in english, it is any other language means that you act. >> no, no, no. you can't say if you use this phrase that means you must do this. if he says red line, he is shooting -- >> if he says red line you shouldn't assume this extra stuff.
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>> the problem is what i assume. the problem is what iran assume and north koreans assume. >> they have stopped using chemical weapons and the president said if they do use chemical weapons again, the united states reserves the right to strike militarily. >> that is exactly what he said a few months ago. >> you have got to remember this, he never said if you use chemical weapons, we will strike militarily. >> it is acceptable now. >> it turns out that was acceptable, yes. that's the story. that's the weirdness of the story. >> if he uses the chemicals again, what happens? >> the position now is -- >> that's an agreement. there is no agreement. >> you have got to pay attention to what they are saying. if he uses chemical weapons again, john kerry has been very clear, the president reserves
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the right to use a military strike. we're going to watch how this goes if it will. >> you cannot take it separate from other things. this year we saw in russia a number of laws that were totally violating russian constitution. it started with the law -- it's a ban on adomgs. it is limiting russian people to protest and and you may, of course the verdict was a very clear demonstration that any criticism.
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>> you got arrested over that one. >> it was me and many others. >> we are out of time right here. good evening i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. it's been a day of violence here in washington. a dozen people shot dead earlier today not far from the u.s. capitol. the gunman aaron alexis had served in the naval reserve. it took place at the naval facility a mile and a half away from the capitol. he used several weapons including a semiautomatic rifle. people were shot dead in minutes.