>> i'm going to be unwell behave now. two nights from now, thursday night, russet brantt wants you backstage at his show as town hall. >> well, you won't go going by yourself. that would be great. >> chaperons. >> together again. >> oh, yeah. i like it. >> won't be any different than the hallways before "morning joe." literally had a circus in the hallway when we roll into work today. >> mike, if it's way too early, what time is it? >> ordinarily time for "morning joe," but it's time for chuck todd and "the daily rundown." take it away, chuck. at the navy yard, a dozen people killed just blocks from capitol hill. we're learning more about the alleged shooter but so far very little about what pushed him to commit mass murder at a u.s. military facility in the nation's capital. this morning we'll have the latest on the investigation. we'll talk to the mayor of washington, vincent gray. the capitol responds to this

terrible tragedy. this morning, poll numbers on what the president faces when it comes to perceptions about his health care law, just two weeks before his team hopes millions of young americans sign up for health care coverage. good morning from washington. it's tuesday, september 17th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. we'll get right to my fist reads of the morning and we of course begin at the washington navy yard. it's open this morning but only to essential personnel. the fbi is continuing to work the building as a crime scene, trying to pin down the sequence of events that led to the shooting deaths of 12 people. just over 24 hours ago, 8:20 in the morning that the alleged shooter, 34-year-old aaron alexis, arrived at building 197 at the naval complex, armed with just a shotgun. less than four miles from the white house and just blocks from the capitol building itself. this naval building, 197, is home to about 3,000 employees. officials say alexis shot and killed a naval officer at the complex, then took the officer's

pistol and somehow obtained an ar-15 assault rifle inside. once inside, witnesses report seeing alexis open fire on the third fourth floors. on the fourth floor he used an overlook to fire down on people eating breakfast in the building's atrium. >> a few shots and it sounded like -- we thought somebody dropped a table or something. >> i heard a woman running down screaming that there's a shooter, get out of the building. >> as hundreds of police and emergency personnel converged on the scene, building employees were told to shelter in place. according to "the washington post," shooter teams engaged alexis several times before he was fatally wounded. by that time, 12 people were dead, three more shot and wounded, including a d.c. police officer. for hours officials thought more gunmen could be on the loose in the city, but they say that's no longer the case. >> we do now feel comfort that

believe we have the single and sole person responsible for the loss of life inside of the base today. if anything changes as we continue to move forward, we will certainly make that available to the public, but, again, we are lifting the shelter in place and we appreciate the support from our community members. >> the alleged gunman, aaron alexis, was a defense contractor who was also a former navy reservi reservist. he had a valid pass that allowed him access to the building, but there are questions as to whether he should have been allowed that clearance. he had a history of violent behavior. shooting incidents that led to ares two times in the past decade. in 2004, a seattle police officer reported alexis explained how he perceived people had disrespected him and how that perception led to what alexis described as a "blackout fuelled by anger." alexis told how he was present during the tragic events of september 11th, 2001, and his father said that had disturbed

him. nonetheless, his family said they certainly didn't see what happened yesterday coming. >> this was something that nobody expected to happen, so, you know, i just want to let everybody know that, you know, whoever got hurt, families and victims, the alexis family as well as the little family, our hearts go out to you. we apologize for the inconvenience of losing a loved one. we also lost a loved one. >> 12 people ultimately died in building 197 monday. all were contractors or civilians. one as young as 46. one as old as 73. seven of them have been identified by police, michael arnold, sylvia fraser, kathy gaarde, john roger johnson, frank koehler, vishnu pandit, kenneth bernard proctor. president obama remembered those speaking just a few moment where is from the shooting took place. >> these are men and women who were going to work, doing their job, protecting all of us.

they're patriots, and they know the dangers of serving abroad, but today they face the unimaginable violence that they wouldn't have expected here at home. >> so that's everything we know. but there's still plenty that we don't know about monday's rampage. at the top of the list why. joining me now, pete williams and former fbi profiler clint van zandt. pete, i want to start with you. a few questions that i know that law enforcement are still looking for and that is this idea how did he get into building 197? i know we had one report that said he did have access to that building, but we see a hot note just now from our pentagon team that says his common access card only allowed him onto the grounds but not into building 197. >> reporter: well, i think that you're right, that's a big question. it does seem that basically he used the i.d. card to get onto

the base and then in essence shot his way into building 197. it's our belief from what we understand from law enforcement that he came there with only a single firearm, a shotgun that he bought just last week at a gun store in nearby lorton, virginia, about 20 miles from here, takes about an hour to drive because of the traffic. but that would indicate that if he was thinking about this, thinking about this in advance, he only planned it within the last week or so or at least started to put his plan into action within the past week. so once he gets into the building then, then he gets his hands -- our understanding is on the other weapons, the ar-15 semiautomatic assault-type rifle and a handgun, which he apparently took from a law enforcement officer that he wounded. so i think that the picture we have so far, and this could change, is that he basically shot his way in. >> and, pete, i assume -- obviously everybody leaves these days a digital footprint,

particularly somebody who was in the work that he was in. has law enforcement confiscated computers? do they have laptops? have they started poring through that information? >> haven't heard about any computers. i assume he does have a laptop computer or did have one, and i'm sure wherever it was they have it now. they've been searching in basically all the places he was known to have lived. they're talking to his his relatives so there's a massive investigation going on. but i don't know that we'll ever have a satisfactory answer about why. there can be no good reason for this. they did have a history of psychiatric problems. his father said that he was suffering from anger management issues after 9/11. we know he sought treatment from the v.a. several times for parano paranoia. he had a couple of brushes with the law but was never convicted of anything serious that would have either disqualified him from by bying a gun or

apparently shown up in any kind of a background investigation because there's no court record of any of these previous convictions, at least two of which were for improperly firing a gun, once into the apartment of a woman who lived above him in ft. worth, he said it was an accident, he was cleaning his gun, and another time where he intentionally shot out the tires of car where somebody was parking where he thought they shouldn't be parking in seattle nine years ago. >> clint, you're a profiler. profile him. >> yeah. so many times, chuck, we see these single-interest shooter, these lone males who do something like this. unfortunately, mass shootings, mass kiln rgs not a new phenomenon. we've had about 170 since 2006, 20 last year, 15 this year. when you look at a guy like this, i think we'll find out notwithstanding paranoia that pete talks about that would be correct with this guy, this is someone who accumulates

offenses. he feels that people are talking about him, people have treated him unfairly. but he accumulates these, chuck. just like a scale and they start to add up and add up and add up and eventually he focuses on some individual, some organization, and he feels justified, feels he has a right to strike out and do something to take his revenge, but again, like so many mass killers, he doesn't want to be held responsible for it. he doesn't have an exit plan so, he sees himself going out in a blaze of glory and a gunfight or he'll take his own life. makes no sense to us. made perfect sense to a shooter like this. >> clint, so there are going to be people in the mental health community that will ask or just viewers themselves and myself, is there a point that this could have been seen earlier, caught earlier? is it different kinds of background checks that maybe the

hackers should have used for -- could there been a warning sign that could have been seen and something that could have been implemented more formally? >> yeah, well, pete talked about the red flags that were there. these anger management issues, the one issue pete talks about where he fires a gun through the ceilinging of his apartment into the apartment above him, that's a woman who she played her music too loud, he said, so he cranks off a round right through the ceiling into the apartment where she is. when the police come, he says, i was cleaning my gun, it accidentally went off. the other shooting incident, he didn't like people parking in front of his apartment, so he takes a gun and starts shooting the tires out. you don't have to be an fbi agent to say those are two clues that suggest behavioral problems. you couple that with a less than honorable discharge from the military and the mental health issues, perhaps all of those that they would have wound up on

the desk of one adjudicator should have been enough to stop him from a security clearance. but, again, tens of thousands of people have security clearances. tens of thousands of people have major to minor mental health issues that are still able to carry on every day. this guy chose to carry on in a terrible fashion, ultimate revenge. >> pete, just walk me through the time line of the events that now investigators -- how frankly quickly this all happened. he enters at 8:20. looking backwards, by this time, when you were on the air with me and we were on the air, everything -- the gunman was already dead. everything had already happened at that point in time. we just didn't know it was done. is that right? >> yes. i don't think anyone knew that it was done at that point because there was this question that persisted at least as far as the d.c. police were concerned all day long because looking -- they looked at -- quickly got their hands on surveillance video.

they talked to witnesses, and they talked to shooting victims. and understandably, that was a very confused picture and they thought that there were perhaps as many as two other people that might have been involved in the shooting, and that thought that there was two, then it went down to one, that persisted for hours and hours and hours until they finally resolved that it was all done just by one person. >> and, pea, the response time was unbelievably quick, wasn't it. >> very, very fast. and, you know, it's partly because there's a large concentration of police in that part of the district. both the authorities that are normally present on the military base but then the park police, metro police, the response was very fast and undoubtedly that helped to reduce the loss of life. >> pete williams, clint skran za van zandt, thanks for getting ut started. up next on "the daily rundown" weather the nation's capitol still on high alert,

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washington, d.c., is trying to get back to business as usual today, but it will be some time before the city shakes off the deadly rampage that occurred on monday. flags are at half-staff this

morning all around the city remembering the 12 people who died at the navy yard. the mayor, the district of columbia, mayor vincent gray. i know this has been probably the toughest 24 hours you've had sitting in the office that you sit in. what do you hope to learn today that you don't know? >> well, of course we e hope to learn more about how the incident itself happened, you know, how was this man permitted to have credentials that allowed him onto the -- you know, onto the navy yard grounds in the first place and then more details about specifically what happened once he was on the grounds. lots of questions surrounding this investigation will go on. we'll be working with the fbi. we also are really pleased with how our own first responders responded to this situation here in the city. our metropolitan police department working with the park police and of course our fire and emergency medical services all of which worked in partnership and frankly probably

prevented what could have been a far worse tragedy than what we did experience. >> the response time is unbelievable. when you see the time line now, as everybody is piecing things back together, mr. mayor, excuse me, what can you tell us about the metro police officer that was shot? >> i went and visited him along with chief lanier last night. he was shot in the legs. he underwent surgery, which was very serious surgery, but he was in great spirits last night. looks like the surgery was successful. his family, which lives in pennsylvania, all of them were down here last night, and we are hopeful, we are optimistic about a full recovery. he's part of our k-9 core. scott williams has done a great job with the metropolitan police department over the last 24, 25 years. and we're very proud of him, very appreciative of the coverage and heroism that he demonstrated yesterday. and hopeful for a full recovery.

>> there's more law enforcement in that part of town than maybe anyplace you can go, whether it's park police, capitol police, secret, a lot of different jurisdictions, plus, of course, metro pd, even the fbi. i've got to ask you, when you see an incident like this, do you say to yourself is the city secure enough? do you believe the city is secure enough looking at the response times of this incident? which seemed to be incredibly fast, like i said. heroic how quickly things were dealt with. assess the security of the city overall. >> well, i think we are very secure, a very safe city, maybe the safest city in the world from a security perspective. we have continued to add police officers. we are about to hit 4,000 police officers on our own metropolitan police department, which would be the first time in many years our police department has been of that magnitude. i think one of the wonderful things, too, is with the increased communication capacity, the digital world we

live in now, we've been able to really increase the partnership efforts among the various law enforcement agencies here in the city. we actually have 30 law enforcement agencies, and this was a wonderful example yesterday of those law enforcement agencies working effectively together to stem what otherwise could have been an even more horrific tragedy. >> you know, yesterday i'm sure there's always going to be second guessing, you know, boy, wish we did this, wish we did that. the confusion about whether there was a manhunt for two other suspects at certain periods of time, that seemed to be a little bit confusing in the message that was coming out of authorities. in hindsight, should there have been -- do you wish there would have been more of a lockdown at that moment in larger parts of the city or maybe that that was overdone or oversold? >> well, first of all, the effort to investigate that situation, because we had accounts from people who thought they saw other people involved

in the shooting. there was a description of someone in a military uniform who someone thought they saw shooting. there was a description of someone else in an olive drab uniform who people thought to have been part of the shooting. we immediately had a shelter in place situation working with the navy yard and then the schools and other institutions in the immediate area. so again, i think that was absolutely the right thing to do to protect everybody until we knew better. we got information in the early afternoon that the person in the military uniform turned out to be someone who was fleeing from a shooting of one of the people, one of the 12 people, and then we learned later in the eve thang there really wasn't another shooter. so the precautions that were taken were absolutely the right things and nothing i could second guess about that at this stage. >> all right. mr. mayor, like i said, this has got to be the toughest period that you've had in elective office. thanks for your service this morning, and thanks for coming

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craig, i want to start with you and set the saep of what you've set this morning. does it feel like you're still at a crime scene? >> reporter: you know what, i'll tell you what it feels like, chuck, yes, a crime scene would be a great way to describe it. it's also very quiet here because essential personnel are the only folks allowed to walk in behind me. i'm going to step out of the way so you can see the front gate. every few minutes or so a car will pull up and they get waved in or waved off. the build, and i think you can make it out from the shot, you can see that five-story building and it looks like you've got the stacks emerging from it, that is -- that is the building where this time yesterday -- that's where it happened around this time yesterday. we've also found out over the past few hours, chuck, that at the front gate here, a lot has been made of precisely how it was that aaron alexis gained access. >> right. >> reporter: he possessed this common access card, the cac

card. that allowed him to drive that vehicle onto the knavy very hard. he would have then had to have some sort of other access card to get inside the building. officials are now telling us that he essentially shot his way. >> shot his way, yeah. >> reporter: inside the building. >> that's what we're hearing. craig, i'm curious, you worked here in washington, you've covered washington. these are the time of events, frankly, we all fear living in washington, that there's -- because we're the capital, that it could be a magnet frankly for crazies to come and do something. here we ended up with oun of these. i'm watching the city handle this, your own personal reaction to it. >> reporter: you know, i don't think a lot of folks realize, chuck, this is a military installation that really is, you know, smack dab in the middle of the city. i mean, it's very much not just a part of this community. this is -- this is -- >> the neighborhood. >> reporter: an anchor of -- yeah. yeah.

i mean, and just -- you know, a half a block away, they're throwing up these new condominiums. this mixed-use facility that they're going to have, this is very much part of the redevelopment effort here for washington, d.c. and there's a lot of foot traffic. this is -- this is a part of the city where there are a lot of people walking about. there's a baseball game that's going to be happening this afternoon at 1:00, not too far from here. but it's -- yeah, yeah. this is very much a part of washington, d.c., not just some sort of military installation on the outskirts of town that's the case in a lot of other cities. >> i think that's been the part that i hope we've tried to let viewers know that this is in the city. this is not -- this is not some cordoned off base. roger, i want to bring you in here because it goes to the background check aspect to this. he's a civilian contractor. you've worked both as a contractor and in government so you know. these civilian contractors, a subcontract, hewlett-packard thing, here he was working for the u.s. government, what is the

background check that they actually have to go through? >> so it depends on the type of work they're doing and the level of classification they have to be granted. in the case of alexis, i bet you it was either at the confidential or the secret level so there's a certain security clearance process for that. not like edward snowden who was at a tssci compartment, totally different. so it's not difficult to get a secret security clearance in washington as a contractor. and i think the missed signals here, such as the gun discharge in seattle, the lack of a -- >> seattle, you think that it just wasn't -- the seattle incident, even on this low-level access that he was looking for and the seattle incident been available to the background checker at the time, he wouldn't have been approved. >> if that was put into the system, if there was a traditional background check, that should have raised a flag. the fact is with both his gun event in texas and then in the state of washington, neither one

of those led to charges. so if the background checker is doing this for the government, he was generally darnled from the navy and a couple arrest, that's not enough to disqualify an individual. >> going back to this seattle incident, you were telling me off camera you thought the paperwork just didn't seem to make it into the system and had it, he might have actually been prevented from buying that shotgun in virginia. >> certainly a possibility. that is what the attorney in seattle says, that the work was lost. so it's just one of these things. there are two parts to this, chuck. the first is there is the behavior of violence issue in the workplace, right, and so were there triggers or indicators that were missed. and we have to -- >> boy, there are a lot. >> there were a few. >> but does the background checker that we're describing, simple civilian contractor, are they supposed to look for that? >> well, they're going to go through computer records and through a standard process. but if he's a junior low-level person -- >> they're not checking that

stuff, are they. >> no. the other part is the active shooter scenario. train, training, training -- >> bill bratton thinks this is the new normal and everybody has to get draped for this. >> without a doubt. this should be part of your workplace responsibility now. the reality. >> a reality i'm not ready to accept, but a lot to people are saying that, craig melvin down in the navy yard. thank you both. craig will be anchoring live from the knavy yard at 11:00 this morning. with two weeks to go until the implementation of the president's health care law, we've got some numbers showing what americans think of the law. you really love, what would you do?" ♪ [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker. [ woman ] i wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] i'd be an architect. what if i told you someone could pay you and what if that person were you? ♪ when you think about it, isn't that what retirement should be,

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hill. >> assad has to go. no, it's okay if assad stays. >> yeah, really erodes his ability, his capacity to lead, his capacity to bring others along with foreign countries and on the hill. what really worries me is that it will erode his ability to deal with the craziness on the other side, sorry, sara, in terms of not just the continuing resolution to fund the government but the debt ceiling. >> perry, do you buy this argument that he's damaged himself for the upcoming budget fights? >> i do not. i think these issues are separated. i think the syria policy was not a great two weeks. i do think the other will be about style points. i don't think we'll analyze larry summers got the job he probably shouldn't have gotten. sometimes a process that has a trial balloon like the summers process is fine. i don't think there's a big dampening for the future. no, do i think obama will have to sign a defunding of the health care bill because of syria? of course not.

>> sara, you've been in the white house in a second term when it feels like you can do nothing right. >> i have been there and it's painful but this is more painful to watch than even what we went through in 2006. i agree with ruth on this. these things do matter. and when eric cantor and john boehner put their neck out for you on syria and then you don't have the courtesy to call them? you don't think that will matter in this debt fight? it will absolutely matter in this debt fight. >> everything is personal. >> yes. it's very personal. >> people forget this. ultimately -- you know what motivates some people to run sometimes, a personal grudge good something. anger at a neighbor or elected official. it matters. shameless plugs, ruth. >> janis orlowski, the trauma chief at medstar washington center. we have to put trauma centers out of business. we've got to figure out a way to do something in our society. >> well put. >> birthday month for the

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facility. investigators say after he shot a guard, he moved inside to the fourth floor of an atrium where he continued shooting. he had three guns. multiple law enforcement officials tell nbc news alexis bought a shotgun at a virginia store in the last week and brought it with him to the navy yard. he picked up an assault-style rifle and a handgun sometime during the shooting spree. at least one from an officer he shot. but the fbi wants more information about who he was and where he's been. we've learned alexis has a history of arrests and psychological problems. while he was living for the last few months in d.c., before that he served as a naval base in ft. worth. he lived and has