caddie shack. and john seems to want you in a yankees hat and >> all right. it's 6:00, the top of the hour on the east coast. good morning, everyone, welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, september 18th. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor. hello, mike. >> what was that? >> almost as disturbing as what i'm about to tell you. >> oh my god. take a look at.

that what's going on there, willie, the outfit? >> where, here? >> this is from the al roker collection. >> the pants, everything. i mean, i'm dizzy. >> it's detroit. i helped out some guys and dolls early on a wednesday morning. can we do a good morning, miss brsifsqi. >> i'm glad we're not on the air. >> oh, hi. >> good morning, mr. scarboro. >> so nice of you to join us, mr. scarboro. >> just flew in from the coast. >> there was a battleneck. >> you know what, there was a bottleneck. >> that's the difference between men and women

>> you look like you -- >> i can't ever imagine, ever imagine where i am a second late. can anybody, ever? >> no. >> hey, willie. >> look at him buttoning up. it's a mess. >> it's like behind the scenes. it's fluid. >> hi. hey. how we theing? >> right. let take it from the top. 3, 2. >> good morning, everybody. welcome to "the morning joe." >> joe's morning is starting now. >> all right. let's get to the fuse. anything you want to share? >> donny had an interesting conversation yesterday that kept me off twitter, by the way. what's happening to the president? >> what's happening to the white house? >> we were talking, i'm sure last night i didn't talk. everybody ob the left, oh the president should have used this speech to attack on the debt. you know, i remember ronald reagan being a little tone dove, not recognizeing there was a

massacre in d.c. and not having anybody in the white house that can say, no, you will not do that. after a challenge, reagan delayed the state of the union address. that's not even a partisan bill. it's just politics aside. what's going on at the white house? >> i wish i knew. i am probably eight out of ten times defending him, i am shocked. it was kientd of stunning. had the country -- has the president of the country been so desensitized the shootings are a part of a new siej from a marketing point of view, from a branding point of view from a human point of view. >> what point of view of an american? yoechlt i just don't. it's not a matter of somebody in the white house whispering in his ear, just as a guide. >> it's not about giving the republicans a break. you would say hammer the republicans hard every single day. >> by the way, but tomorrow will

come. >> not while the massacre is happening, itself. >> if you want to go politically, throws the moments the presidents act presidential. those are the moment, the hurricane, the tragedy, that's when we look to quote the big guy or the big woman in the office. >> what about walking into the oval office with a basic common sense approach, mr. wa3r79 /* prt -- mr. president. no one is going to watch this. >> let me get to the president responding, he was asked, if given this speech after talking about the massacre was quote bad timing. take a look. >> keep in mind that i spoke directly to the shooting while we were still gathering information and i think that everybody understands the minute something like this happens, i'm

in touch with the fbi. i'm in touch with my national security team. we're making sure all the assets are out there for us to deal with this as well as we can. on the other hand, what is also important to remember is that congress has a lot of work to do right now. >> donny. >> i don't know how he can walk and crew gum at the same time. even his response didn't have the human touch. this wasn't a question of competency or you don't have your hands on the wheel. it's a jewish term, sec him. >> i actually would have expected him to say in retrospect, it was a mistake. we should have delayed the speech a day. but, no, he didn't. it's not just about one speech one day, it's about growing concern among democratic

senators and those ranks are swelling. foreign dloip mats, foreign leaders asking what is going on? again, we've all got a reason to cheer for our government especially internationally. we are all americans first and when you see this level inside the white house of several weeks in a row, even on something as simple as delivering a partisan attack from the timing of it or the timing of undercutting your secretary of state, i don't need to go through the syria litany again. you go, my god, they got three-and-a-half more years in the white house. come on. >> the worst is more trouble. we can talk about political missteps, we can talk about syria, fibroing and stopping. this is just if are you a school

teacher or you are running a company or you were in a control room to just not have the touch to know that even intuitively and even only want to discuss that, it's peculiar. >> on telemundo. antics. i don't know. >> it's coming from all sides, maureen daoud write, just as the address on syria last week the president went with a speech ahead of events. it was out of joint, given that the senate was put into lockdown...the man who connected so electrically and facilely in 2008, causing americans to overlook his then resume, cannot seem to connect anymore...obama still has a secret weapon. for now, puzzlement gross over the contrast

but why is it so often to be the president oob style to be unable sell the substance, even on issue issues where most people agree with him. >> right now this white house is in trouble, they are probably desperate for one or two extreme republicans to wander away from the rest of the pack, say really stupid extreme things an seize on. that that's their last game in town is exploiting the weaknesses of their opposition. >> i think it was a combination on monday. not just that the president gave the speech that a lot of americans would have preferred to have heard the day after the shooting, but also what he then moved on to talk about, which is walk infighting. people are exhausted of hearing about this. things don't get done because it's his fault, things don't get

done because it's their fault. people don't leak that topic to begin with. when you combine that speaking in the moments when the shooting was going on. it was tone deaf. >> talk about a government shutdown at the time the senate was literally shut down, locked down. because they believe another gunman may be in washington and believe the leaves of a lot of people and the schools were shut down and the aerpt was shut down and the nation's capitol was shut down when this tragic shooting was going on. and again, we're not talking about just one thing. we are talking about a much bigger problem at the white house of concern. >> let's bring you up to date on the navy yard shooting, itself, and the complex of any alexis that has emerged. despite a series of mental alarm bells, he managed to keep his security clearance. just last month, he called fliss a hotel in newport, rhode island to complain that people were

following him and he heard voices. alexis said those same people were using microwave technology to send vibrations through the walls. the new york times reports, he sought mental health treatment from a veterans hospital. through it all, he maintained mid-level secret clearance and granted those credentials despite shooting incidents in seattle and fort worth, texas. he was never convicted and background checks did not raise red flags. alexis knew his way around guns. co-workers in texas say he had a ..45 caliber in his belt when he made delivery force a thai restaurant. he bought two shells from a gun store in virginia and tried out an ar-15 assault rifle at the gun range. original reports suggested he used it in the shootings. now, law enforcement officials say he only had the shotgun and

a side arm, apparently taken from a security guard. the house veterans affairs is searching va records and security clearance. meanwhile, president obama and chuck haggle are calling for separate reviews at government and military facilities world wide. so there is a lot of pressure still about exactly how he got in there and how he got security clearance. >> take all these things together, 2004 in seattle, shoots out the tires. 2010, shoots through the ceiling in the apartment because of noise upstairs. within the last month, he says what he says to the police in newport, riemd, hearing voices, checked out twice by the v.a in the last month. discharged from the military, how does that give clearance to enter a military installation as a private contractor? >> and what did they say a mid-level secret clearance. >> he had secret clearance. they say because he walked up to

the line, didn't cross it. there were no charges filed. he was not committed to an institution when he was evaluated by the va. he had appointments, there has got to be some way to identify people. >> you know what the scary thing, the sad thing, even if those checks and balances have put in place, this would happen with this guy somewhere else. we always kind of look for the oh, this is obviously a sick man. i think sometimes there is no way to put a net around insanity and as long as we're not going to outlaw gunsin this country nor should we. the fact that you can't keep people from buying guns bus they're going to a shrink and they say they hear voices. it's a tragedy. it's sickening. even a would have, could have, should have here, even what happened on a bus or in a park. and that's, sometimes, we have problems in this society that just aren't solvable. this is one of them. i don't know how with 300

million people and there are tens of thousands of people on the edge of this country. we can all analyze it to death, whatever, schools. >> fine, at the same time, we don't have to be giving these people security clearance. >> i agree and it goes to what i said dwred, mental health. >> mental health is a great challenge. he was obviously having exstrord fare mental health issues. i think as we move forward again, we take mental health and a lot of the problems around it out of the closet over the past decade or. so it's the great challenge of our time, for some reason, younger americans are having more mental health challenges. >> what do you do with a case like this? he goes to the va shrink two or three times, given privacy codes in this country. do you put like secret red flags on his jacket? >> that's one of the things. >> when we were having the gun debate over new town, one of the

things a friend of mean kept e-mailing me. he had a great point, do you want to encourage people to go and get mental help counseling, but just because somebody has the courage top doesn't mean they should have their rights taken away. >> right. you don't want them to be a afraid to go. >> we always talk about criminals, background check, criminals, that's easy as far as i'm concerned. terrorist, that's easy. you move over to this mental health rage, it is so critically important that we encourage people to go get treatment. when does the red flag go up and when does the psychiatrist go, my gosh, or a psychologist, oh, my gosh, this person -- >> then suddenly they are punished for getting the type of treatment they so desperately need. >> and this is a huge issue today i. has been for the last 10, 15 years ago given so many

veterans coming out of iraq and afghanistan ptsd, seeking assistance and help, which we encourage them. we don't it held against them. >> real quirks let me play out a scenario. let's say we backtrack, a person says, i hate my box i hate my boss. this guy had been arrested once before for shooting the gun in the air a few times. he had been to a shrink saying that he hears voices and he also somehow used to work at ibm and he had an old cloerns, bad story, he goes, how could this happen? how do you stop that? even with all those signs, there will always be signs. >> i think there are also, society does over time push certain behavior away or raises awareness about it. if you smoke cigarettes all day long, chances are you'd get sec, which is why we had the history with the tobacco industry that we had and certain awareness about cigarette smoking.

why can't the same conintent applied to watching violent disgusting wretched incredibly mentally damaging video games all day long. i mean, you hear it every time there is one of these palace kerr, you hear this person watches them all day long and people know about it. doesn't that make your broken sick just like cigarettes makes your body sick. when can we have that discussion and maybe put some real stamps of warning on these games? >> i don't know. for some reason we can't. >> my twitter would go crazy. >> people on the left or the right. a lot of them don't have kids, i don't think, who, you know, think they have a right. >> but it does, they think that americans of all ages have a right to simulate the slaughter of other human beings all night all day on life. >> yeah, it certainly takes people without the "wall street journal" wrote something that went up guard rails.

people that certainly don't have natural guardrails set up takes them over the cliff a lot of times, certainly desensitizes them. that's the whole thing about it. but i think what we heard the past couple days is this is extraordinarily complex. it's very minimum. all right. let make sure the men and women that work on a military bases across america are safe and these contractors, let's make sure that the bar is as high for the edward snowdens after this guy as they are for the men and women if uniform when they walk on a military bases. i think we've got to really examine this culture of contractors on our military bases and our government and hold them not only to the high standard that we hold our men and women too, but even higher standards. because right now r, we've got lot of people dead on a five base in the shadow of capitol hill and we have one of the

great security breaches in modern american history. from two, how old is snowden, 29? and a 234-year-old guy, that should have been nowhere near these military bases, nowhere near this military information. >> that is for sure. coming up on "the morning joe," partisan gridlock, a new generation is looking for solutions republican erin shock and democrats are coming together for a bipartisan caucus. also, nicole wallace and governor rendell will join the table and a daerg catch of a man how a swift building worker helped a man out alive. >> that story next. but first, a check on the forecast. bill. >> mika, what you haven't heard me say once is that i have a system of

>> that changes today. we are now watching a system heading no the gulf of mexico that my friends from texas to louisiana, alabama, mississippi, florida hopeful areas all need to keep an eye on. this is not a story. doesn't have a name yet. not a tropical depression. the hurricane center says it has an 80% chance of becoming a storm over the next four or five days. so where is it going? that's the big question. it looks like it will stall out over the warm waters of the southern gulf. then a front will approach from the north. this front should pick it up, send it toward florida or the northern gulf. if that front misses it, they go to mexico. regardless, this should be tropical storm jerry in a couple days and tropical storm jerry into next week. it has a good chance of being the first real significant threat of the lower 48 that we've had this hurricane season. so we'll wait and track it for you as we head towards the weekend. otherwise, it's a quiet weekend, period of weather out there. it's a little chilly.

you will be rewarded with a beautiful afternoon, sunshine, gorgeous weather, really from maine down the southeast coast. it will be really nice today. not travel issues either. i will keep my eyes on the tropics. the peak of the hurricane season, this is our first threat of this evening. are you watching "morning joe" on this wednesday. .

>> right. it's time now to take a look at the morning papers. you are even late getting over here. >> i'm here. what are you doing? >> the "wall street journal" a new sent sus is showing american women still earn less than men last 84 when 76.5 cents for every dollar a man earns. this is down from 2011. annually, full time male workers

earn about 49,000 compared to females and made just more than 37,000. mika, you were fully on a panel yesterday talking along with gloria steinem about this. >> i think it's a joke we're still here. >> women are earning their worth and the value. >> they have to communicate effectively. obviously, men aren't going to pony up. new york times the president of brazil has cancelled next month's state visit to the u.s. over allegations the nsa spied on her government. deal lovers are demanding an apology from the president. she says the trip can be rescheduled once her concerns are addressed. white house secretary jay carney says the united states understands brazil's concerns. out of new york, a construction worker is lucky to be alive after an incredible rescue caught on tape.

>> this is amadeing. >> he was forced to hang outside of a window of his fifth floor new york luxury apartment after a fast fire ig night while he was working inside, a building worker perches himself to another window to try to help, risking his own life, he walks akrots the ladder four stories across the ground and pulls him to sea. the men are expected to be fine. isn't that believable? >> i love that story. investigators cite hurricane sandy for last week's electrical fire that devastated the new jersey boardwalk in seaside park and parts of seaside heights. the report reveals it was caused by faulty wiring located under a frozen custard stand damaged during the storm. governor christie said the state will pledge $63 million to rebuild. a judge ruled the feds can seize an office building in new york city because the owners

used rent mamt to funnel money to iran. it would be the largest property forfeiture in u.s. history because the office is worth between $500 and $700 million. the proceeds will be donated to families affected by eastern when they aided terrorist attacks. new today the ceo of panera bread is living on $4.50 a day to raise awareness on what it's like to live on food stamps. ron sanich says he's trying to offer financial foods, due to financial limit itself, he is eating carb heavy foods and could not afford fruits and vegetables. his challenge comes as the house is set to have cuts on the food stamp program. that makes sense especially with the men mum wage. that's great. >> l.a. times, fans of the show "mad men" will have to wait until 2015 for the finale.

they will be having two installments, that's what they did with "breaking bad" as well. seven shows will air next spring. the second group will be shown in 2015. the good news, there will be more than one episode tan originally planned. >> it's time for one more. >> in the original plan. >> i love "mad men." >> let's go to willie. >> you are stretching that out, joe, "mad men"? . >> come on. >> holy cow. >> stringing us along. >> i hope little jack and little doug are out of high school by the time we find out what's done. >> i'm glad you meet them. >> i think everything is going bad. like going down an elevator shaft. don't you think he will die in the end? >> i think it's a falling incident. i think the opening sequence. >> i did say to people about 14

years, you don't have to wait for the end. >> done fiwants to be involved as a "mad man" himself. >> i tell you, they grow up on crazy talk shows. >> you know, baby jack tee shirts. you know, that's another amc show. >> donny, we'll talk about flying. let's go to politico, the chief white house correspondent there is mike allen. he has to look at the playbook. good morning. your big head lean this morning, house gop doubles down on a losing bet. we are talking about obamacare here, what do you mean? >> willie, this is an exam of how republicans just have not found a winning direction since november, even in the time that the president seems back on his heels. republicans seem determined to inflict their own self inflicted wounds. so poll after poll shows that the one way that obamacare can hurt republicans and help the president is if they can push

ahead with this effort to defund it. to save the bills. they'll shut down the government over the question of whether or not to provide funds, to have obamacare go ahead on october 1st. republicans, leaders say they know that this would hurt their party and would put them in even a deeper hole going into the national elections, but on the hill, there doesn't seem to be any other way. republican leaders, he'd like them to be forced into a situation where they will have to pass a bill. especially if the house, pass a bell that would tie defunding obama karen to continuing the government and that's one of the reasons that one of the top analysts here in washington chris krueger of gugenheim securities now says there is a 40% chance on december 30th the government would shut down. the poll shows it would hurt republicans. >> you just answered my question, where you put the shutdown, 40% is a pretty food can't.

does that mean, in effect, ted cruz and others like him when this fight in the republican party? >> in the short term, they are winning because we talked to people in the house republican leadership. they don't see how something can pass that doesn't include this. there just isn't the trust of leadership among the rank and file members. this isn't going to happen in the long run, because this isn't something the president would accept. so it's a short term political image, but, you are right, they are winning. this is something that came up in the summer and a lot of people are blaming speaker boehner for not finding a way to diffuse this for feeding red meat to his conservative members. let him him push this over the summer. now he's back in the fall and has to find a way to talk him off this ledge. >> we have two weeks now to avert that shut down udown. i will ask you about another person mark zuckerberg, facebook ceo and founder.

-se going up to capitol hill. who wla is he doing now? >> there is an exam of how tech companies which used to stay out on the west coast now are becoming very involved if d.c. facebook now spends millions of dollars here and on thursday, tomorrow, he will be meeting with the top four leaders of the congress. joel cap lan, a top bush administration official will be showing him around. he will be talking about immigration, which is a big issue that he has been and other tech executives have been talking about. also now, a lot of issues have come up sense then, under surveillance, privacy. the members will ask him about that as well. he's going to be specifically with the house democrat ec leader nancy pelosi on immigration, to try to keep that conversation going even though, willie, as we've agreed here the legislation doesn'ttime seem to be going anywhere. >> between-years-old, asserting his influence up there on capitol hill. mike allen with a look at the playbook. thanks so much. >> have a food day. >> coming up, the mets have one of the great fans in all of

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>> all right. how did it go this summer? did you make a difference? >> of course, i made a difference. let me tell you something. there is one less polo bat. i feel good. there is some guy started a twitter. >> i saw that. >> nantucket orphans. you check it out, talking about teaching kids how to be frugal with their money. fractured off their [ laughter ] . >> i'm sorry. >> it's a wonderful island. good people up there. >> what's wrong with people? >> the nationals hosted a double header with the braves. the game began with a moment of silence, first, though, for those killed in monday's

shooting at the washington navy yard. two days ago, it was postponed. 9th inning, gnats trailing by a run. the groirnd right through the wickets of atlantic shortstop simmons. a 6-5 walkoff win. they blanked the braves 4-0 in the night cap a. two game sweep there. to denver the rockies in the 3rd, he laces a two run trim down the right field line. st. louis wins 11-4. they are up one game on the pirates. >> you sound like donny. look at me, look at my plaque shirt. guys, can we stop? >> the st. louis cardinals. >> this was a joke. >> the st. louis cardinals, man. >> a great organization. >> i want to know how they do it. year in. we have been talking about the pirates all year and here they come out of nowhere. they go every year, just like a few years back, you talk about the phillies all year. they boat them.

what is it about the cardinals? year in, year out. >> they are a very well run organization. they build from the bottom up. they replenish this system with home grown players. they let albert puos go -- >> everybody thought that was the end. >> alan craig is better. pujols replacement is better. -se better than him. they have pictures like shelby miller from the farm system. they don't trade them, they don't allow them to leave. they sign them for extensions. this kid will be phenom' nam. remember that name. >> they are always a class organization. >> and such a great sport town. they go into a cardinals game. 81 times here is like going to an alabama football game. they tail gate all the time t. place is packed. it's such a great baseball town. >> except you are there. the last game the red sox win four straight against the cardinals. st. louis fans, you are from boston saying, we're so happy for you. if we couldn't when, we are so

happy. >> is this a trick? >> that doesn't. i don't want to go to a town like. that wouldn't work too well. a great team, another great season. >> unbelievable. >> so now they're up a game in the decision. >> the royals, the times are saying the kansas city royals. >> the royals are hanging around. we look at the standings. they're close. >> i mean, all for us. >> kansas city three-and-a-half out to be that close. >> it's exciting. >> what is actually an interesting season in baseball. you look at the angels. you look at some of the other teams that spent big. >> that model ain't working no more. it's simple. you look at the royals. you look at the ray itself. >> yankees. >> you look at the yankees on the other side, it's very, very -- oakland, i mean, it is an economic model going upsidedown. >> how about them yankees? >> leave them alone. >> the old guys. >> you are playing the role of donny deutsche, playing the sox.

>> okay. enough! enough to end with class. >> they need to end with dignitary. >> let's go to the rangers and as. the first pitch ends on a solo home run. texas wins 7-1. they're tied with tampa. we're going to go to easton. the as reds. this is a reason. hupe's 100th loss of the season, third year in a row they've reached that fet. what is sadder, fewer than 984 people tuned in. 984 people. >> wow. speaking of teams struggling, the mets were hosting the giants last night over in queens. not really a notable matchup except for the fact that jjerry

seinfeld was in the booth. >> we are celebrating 20 years. >> i was 13. >> '93. >> that's right. i got a phone call from my agent and said do you want to do this show? he goes, what do you want to do this show? he said "seinfeld show." they told me we can get keith hernandez, i go, who's that? jerry, let's not lose sight of the game. that's what i'm here. >> up next, "time" magazine's brand-new editor nancy gibbs joins us. we are in a moment. too big.

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. >> it's 44 past the hour. here with us now, the new editor of "time" magazine. >> they got rid of that guy. >> is it true they carried him out in handcuffs? >> with a bag of -- >> yeah. >> the new york city police are walking right now with the photographers. >> we heard the first of many celebrations. excellent. >> yeah, that's one way of putting it. >> celebrating. >> we are just like never ending chapter. >> the next chapter. >> that's exciting. >> off the air, she says, "time" america's gain, state department america's loss. i was surprised she said that about rick. >> she didn't say that. >> sort of. >> along the way. >> first of all, let's talk about rick, huh, his budget is a little bigger in. >> his budget is a little bigger. it's more than a million dollars. it wasn't quite what he was

managing it at times. he will be nominated to be the under secretary for public diplomacy at the state department w.cy a way to natural extension. his job is to tell america's story around the world. so i think he is very excited about it. >> and you? >> and i. >> how did the months look ahead heading up the magazine and how to sort of keep it going, given the climate? >> you know what's the funny, what is exciting is we've never had a bigger audience than we have now. i'm the big editor to take over whose digital audience is bigger than the print audience. we are about to reload. we hired a bunch of people fantastically excited. so there is a lot going on. i think it's a great time to be taking over "time." >> i was going to say, nancy, for you, personally, a lot has been made over 24 hours you are the first in the 90-year history of "time" magazine, are you the first female.

how are you excited? . >> i am excited to be the editor. the fact that i'm a him who, if it excites my daughters, they said, i am really proud of you. that was exciting to me. i think so many glass ceilings are shattering, we are close to the moment where that is not even news anymore. >> let's talk about an op-ed you discussed off air. rust ma cuss', obama's style and ruth writes this, style points? seriously? style points? that's what president obama thinks of criticism of the zigzag theory amounts to. as presidential spin, this is insulting. she goes on to stay style as a president matters, allies and foreign allies take a measure of the president's steel. in the past two weeks i have not encountered a single person outside the white house republican or democrat who has kind words for obama's performance. scornful may not be too harsh of

a word. though it is scorn, at least among more thoughtful critics of the no good options reality on syria. but ruth marcus saying, style does matter and this president, as maureen daoud said today, completely off. >> we have talked about this before and we have talked about the presidency with roosevelt with eisenhower that style is a form of substance for the president and i think in this case, you know, with syria, he can argue, look, we've bought the on the best outcome, but it's not as though there is not real implication going forward at what looked like weakness and improvization and encoherence in his policy and i don't think we know yet the risks of that, even if we get a good outcome. >> that is by no means either. >> so we have been talking about the press conference or the event that he hosted right after the massacre and then moving on to talk about what he was there

for. do you feel the way many did at the table that there was something off about it or are we a all pileing on in in there well, i think there is a sense now we know what we expect a president to do in a moment of crisis and so there was something jarring, especially from a president who i think maybe has prided himself on his feel for how to reach the public and knowing the right thing to say at the right time whether or not he knows the right thing to do. when he's losing retorically as well as ssubstancively. i think president clinton had a hard time and george bush. >> george w. bush right out of the gate, just like this president with katrina and it's just -- >> it's partly the staff that remains from your first term is

exhausted. the new staff may not have gotten their footh yet. there are a lot of reasons for it. also, you have a lot less juice even with your own party. have you no coat tails. they don't need you anymore. you can't get them to do what they tell you. so president obama right now may have as much rebelliousness among the democrats. >> but that doesn't usually happen with 3.5 years left. >> that usually happens after the last mid-term, they go, okay, that guy is out. >> but there is. if you go to the 2005 scenario and also this, the fifth year, it's the equivalent of when they do these studies on free agents, it's like they've gotten over the hump. there is a little 10% of that extra hunger, or that extra drive, that goes away. they know they're locked in at this point. i don't know there is a little psychology. >> who said this on the show yesterday, but chuck todd said right after the election, all of obama's people said, we know we have 12 to 18 months, then we're a lame duck. so this actually they knew this was the 12 months that they were

going to get things done. >> well, we also, don't you get the foleying that 2016 has, just when we were saying presidential cycles can't possibly start any earlier, this seems to have started even earlier. i think there are a lot of factors contributing to that lame duck narrative. i think that makes people uncomfortable. even as the theory of policy was going in the direction people wanted. overwhelming majorities didn't want to see an airstrike. they still were downgrading his performance on foreign policy, even as he was agreeing with what they wanted him to do. >> that tells you something about not wanting to see a president improvise. >> going back to ruth, what ruth said in the washington post today, she said, obama may have locked or his secretary of state may have stumbled during an approach that approached if pauline moment. but the indecision, the mind changing, the lurching, obama did not dispute such characterization so much as

dismiss them half consequences. so even stumbling in mr. magoo style into success might have lasting impact. >> i think that's what, all along the concern about syria has been not just about syria. it's been about iran, it's been about what message other countries are going to take away from this. but i also think domestically, we're all looking at, we're talking this morning about gun policy, we're going to be talking about the debt ceiling. we have such serious issues coming online and you want to see everyone really playing at the top of their game, whichever side are you on. so i think seeing someone who appears to be really off his game i think it's troubling to people. >> well, managing editor of "time" magazine. nancy gibbs, congratulations. thank you very much for being on today. >> good luck. still ahead on "morning joe," ed wallace is standing by in the green room. he'll join us again when we come

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>> of judging this white house because i was in a perfect white house opposite. i say this in a position of judging this white house because i was in a similarly flawed white house at times. now, a president is structurally cut off from all the things that would make you say maybe i shouldn't gave speech. >> by the way, you said, none of us would ever understand, unless they were inside that bubble with the president. >> right. and you walk through the west wing and everyone has cable televisions on their desk except the president. everyone is fielding calls from friends or counterparts on capitol hill except the president. now, is he a human being with a wife and family and say this is really an incredible tragedy? sure. sure. i heard you made that point yesterday. shouldn't the president have been a final check? of course, he could have been. but it really speaks to me about a white house with no more

controls. there are no internal controls anymore. there is no process by which that staff can get to him and make something stop. once a train has been pushed out of the station, no matter how ill advised its course, no one and nothing can stop it. >> so are we to believe, i believe it was jay carney who said there was absolutely no consideration of making changes, that possible? >> it's possible. it's always possible going back to the beginning when we had a white house press secretary assigned to a president that he doesn't know of every single conversation that went on in the west when. so it's possible that jay is correct. it's also possible that somewhere, someone said, hey, should we go down there and suggest that they put this off? >> well, they sent us on lockdown while we believe there may be more gunmen running across washington, d.c., which is why schools are closed on lockdown. >> there is a white house office of affairs that leaves the west king i wing and goes up to capitol hill every day.

they must have been aware of those things. >> so the reason we're talking about this is the beggar question, what's wrong with the obama white house. it doesn't have to do with a speech yesterday. it has to do with syria last week. and by the way, it's not republicans that are singularly saying this. as you know, and it drives people crazy when i say this but i'm not in a place where i can reveal this senate democrats have been complaining about this for a long time. as you know, it's getting bad on capitol hill with senate democrats who are now not trusting the president in the white house to save them. ruth marcus with the washington post this morning, a blistering op-ed on how tone deaf this office is. marvin daoud, a blisering attack. these are not people that vote for republicans every four years. >> no question, nicole and i were talking about it in the green room. there is no question the lady from "time" magazine is right. style is important. because style portrays

confidence. style portrays strength and the president missed it when he said, i'll not interested in style points. style is the way you portray your administration, your country to the world and will is no question about it. i think the president has been severely hampered by david axelrod, i think. >> you can see the void. >> you can see the void and actually he had a sent, he's very much of a people person. he had a sense of the things that you were just discussing. i'm not sure there is anybody left that has that same sense. >> really, also what he had was the ability and container hughes had this, the ability to walk in and say, mr. president, what you just did stunk. you know, that was terrible. we got to go out and clean this up. i don't know who that person is anymore. >> and that is it. it couldn't be more true, willie t. most important person in the inner circle of an ad menstration, whether it be city hall, governor's mansion or the white house is the person who

says you are stupid. that idea stinks. >> you are wrong. >> a had donna cooper my secretary of policy in harrisburg and my second deputy for policy in philadelphia. she was a butt kicker. she'd come in and say, you're going to do that? are you crazy? and sometimes i still did it, but it made me think. it made me reflect upon it. >> so i think people expect us to just take certain sides and this is not one of those cases. i don't see what happened. i'm as confused as you all are. you all know where i come from, who i'm affiliated with. we have to be honest. so here's what happened yesterday, the president did an interview with telemundo. he was asked about this and he doubled down. take a look. >> keep in mind i spoke directly to the shooting while we were still gathering information and i think that everybody

understands the minute something like this happens, i'm in touch with the fbi, i'm in touch with my national security team. we are making sure all the assets are out there for us to deal with this as well as we can. on the other hand, what is also important to remember is that congress has a lot of work to do right now. >> that's true. >> nicole. you are shaking your head. >> there was a moment and jay carney's one-time partner at "time "magazine, all these intersectioning world, asked a question that forever changed the course of president bush's relationship with the press. he asked the president if he ever made a mistake. the president couldn't think of one. this is for me as obama is publicly showing us he is adaptable to event. it is incredibly revealing and damaging revelation for the twhous. >> no one is suggesting he didn't feel the tragedy, he

wasn't concerned about it. of course, he was. he came out, delayed the press conference. he talked about it. then after that to deliver a political speech is what's got people. it's one thing, what he was talking about is critical, five years after the collapse of the economy. these are important things. to launch into political attacks on republicans in that moment, while we still thought there were shooters on the loose which is way off. >> you were saying yesterday what the people were doing on the scene. people were hiding. people hadn't been given an all clear. children were on lockdown. and the white house has all that information. someone in that building knew exactly what you reported yesterday morning here, that someone in the white house, is adviser of homeland security, someone had to have called in to the white house chief of staff and passed that information on. >> all right. let get to the five shooting, itself, and the complex image of erin alexis that emerged, despite a series of outbursts

and mental incidents, the incident never triggered alarm bells and the man managed to keep his security clearance. just last month, he called police from a hotel in newport, rhode island to complain that people were following him and that he was hearing voices. alexis also claims he couldn't sleep because those same people were using microwave technology to send vibrations lou the walls. the new york times reports he sought mental health treatment from a veterans affairs hospital. through it all, alexis maintained mid-level security cleernt, secret clearance and was granted those credentials despite shooting incidents in seattle and fort worth, texas. he was never convicted and background checks by his most recent employer did not raise red flags. alexis knew his way around guns. co-workers if texas say he kept a .45 handgun kept in his belt as he made delivery force a thai restaurant he worked for.

flash forward to saturday. he bought two boxes of shells from a gun store in virginia. he even tried out an ar-15 assault rifle at the gun range. original reports suggested he used an assault rifle in the shootings. now, law enforcement officials say he only had the shotgun and a side arm, aparentally taken from a security guard there. meanwhile, president obama and defense secretary chuck hagel are calling for reviews of military facilities world wide. >> we talked about this in the last hour, you look at it in hindsight and you see a picture of a man that should have raised red flags. he wasn't brought up on charges on either of the gun incidents. he did seek courage but was never committed to an institution. so there was nothing that would have stood out there. what more could have been done to prevent him from getting

secret clearance in. >> some think nothing. >> clearance doesn't have to rest on convictions. clearance can look beyond the actual court outcome and see what's happened. if you looked at this, he fired three shots from a glock, in seattle in 2004. in 2010, he shot through the downstairs apartment. i don't care if he was convicted or not. you know, give you -- you don't give someone like that cleerntsch even worse, when we were talking after new town, we were talking what could we do to prevent these mass shootings? i am an ad advocate for background checks, the nra made a point and i said, i don't know if you remember on this show, they're right. we got to do something about finding a way to better report people's mental health problems so that he couldn't have bought that shotgun. he couldn't have bought that shotgun. whatever background checks we have. you can go onto the computer. it should have come up that this

person had serious mental problems and should not be able to boy a gun. >> he passed a check when he bought a shotgun in virginia. >> of course. i bet you none of the incidents, the '04, 2010, none of those incidents were reported. now the rhode island incident was probably too close in time to get on a computer, but the '04 and '10. do you want to sell a shotgun to someone what has discharged a glock three times and shot through the floor to the downtators apartment in in there no. >> we got to change that system. what we have to do is find common areas that we request all agree on. and this seems to be one of them. and it seems to have a potential to stop some of these mass killings. >> it seems so basic. >> but we have no mental health system in this country. until you run into law enforcement, there is no way to capture people suffering from mental illness in this country.

if are you an adult, there is no way to commit a friend or family member for treatment unless they're involved. we have no normal civilized system to deal with mental health in this country. so the fact that these people only get i.d.'d or flagged, it's too late. it's a lot easier to get a gun than to suffer from mental illness. still ahead on "morning joe," a pair of fresh faces in washington coming together to get things done. >>let hope. >> let's hope. representative aaron shock and representative tulsi gabbard. and chuck joins us next. we'll be right back.

. >> the latest nsnbc "wall street journal" poll oppose it. 52% believe the law will raise their health care costs. is everybody wrong? >> yes, they are. let's look at the facts. there is no evidence at all that this is somehow making health care more expensive. there is a lot of evidence that it's helping to make it cheaper. we expect that once it's fully implemented, a year from now, two years from now, five years from now, people look back. tail be asking, what was the argument about? why is everybody fighting this so much? >> all right. joining us now from washington. well, nbc news correspondent political host chuck todd. >> so dismissive. >> i know. joe, you know what they say the only poll that counts is the poll on implementation day. >> i don't know who says that,

they have to be a big old dork. >> yeah. >> that's a long word. >> what is he supposed to say? of course he will say that. >> happy implementation day, chuck. >> happy implementation to you, too. >> we have a couple more weeks in there when are the games played? >> savannah state. >> boom. >> we have a -- bye week in there the next game i'm looking forward to is november, florida state. >> that's a long -- >> the scary thing is, you know, the schedule lines up pretty well. so now my expectations are through the roof and ridiculous. >> ah, will you have your hard crush. >> i know, i hope it's not crushed until november. that's okay. >> so let's talk about. we have all been talking about. everybody is writing about it. we started talking about it yesterday morning, maureen is talking about it. nancy gibbs, new editor of "times" talking about it. i don't want to belabor the

point. first, quakely, any developments between yesterday and today, anybody in the white house seeing, hey, we know? we had a problem on syria. we got a problem here? or is everybody saying, no, they hear this from capitol hill, they hear it from senate democrats every day. is anybody inside the white house admitting, hey, we're kind of having rough days in here in. >> they're not denying the rough days, but i think they're of the mind set of while they're in a rough patch we in the, you know the collective whatever you want to call us, intelligencia opinion elites, america. >> america. >> look at the polls, america. >> we can make it feel worse and that's how they're hunkering down. it's like well, things aren't going great. it's not as bad as it sound or feels. >> powering down sounds awesome. >> we got nicole wallace here. i got to tell you, hunkering down in '05 and '06 is awesome.

>> no, you can't help but have these flash backs. you are watching. he is at a precarious tipping point. the only thing that gives him, the only reason why there isn't this like rush to declare like these fully and lame duck at that time us the is, football one, he's fully relevant with these budget debates and, no. 2, the republicans are figuring out a way to hand the momentum back. hand the political momentum back to him as they basically figure out or can't figure out how to proceed on keeping the government funding and that's basically all they're counting on is the self destruction of the republicans in the house and that's the one thing that sort of i think keeps them from feeling as if they're totally under seige. >> that's what i was going to ask you, chuck, he may get a life raft in two weeks. >> it's a house republican life raft. >> we were talking to mike allen our last hour. he said he heard, he put the

odds at 40% of a government shut down. does that sound right to you in. >> i can't figure out the democrats are determined not to help boeh ner this time. if boeh ner. i don't know how he -- if he can find 218 votes for something that doesn't touch the health care plan, then good luck. you know, this latest strategy of his, which i think is the most viable. i just don't know if the ted cruz caucus in the house will accept it, which is stop pushing for a defunding, try for the one-year delay on the individual mandate. you know, make that. that has at least a rational chance of giving, of getting, say, red state democrats in the senate potentially to sign on saying, you know, push for a one-84 delay. but i don't know if he can sell that to those 50 to 80 members that could by a gainst him and cost him his 218.

>> i mean, does the white house acknowledge how profoundly cynical it is to be advocating the entire leadership manlt and say i hope my members of the house do something stupid when you got leading republicans. we are debateing this in our party. i would admit that. you certainly have most leading republicans saying the delay makes a lot more sense. that's where we have the likelihood of picking up democrats. can the white house see through it's own sort of insulation and arrogance and see how cynical their approach is in. >> i think they would turn that around and say the cynical approach is the one being done by the republicans and the house republicans in particular and the fact that there is this ability that they don't seem to have an ability to come up with something that actually can pass congress, something both the senate and the house can come together. i think the white house says, hey, we went through this in 2011. we went through this in 2012.

they feel as if they did blink. they caved when they have to cave. and in their mind, they believe the house republicans had never given an inch on anything. >> that it's always been this to the brink atmosphere that there hasn't been, that they really haven't come even a quarter of the way so, i hear what are you saying. >> it seems, they run the government. they run the senate. the notion there are republicans. i mean, we run one chamber. you got bernie sanders. >> you won one chamber. it's a chamber that passes the laws. >> we can't even run it. >> is it the notion the white house can't, everything, the weather, global warming. it's all because of the house. it's ridiculous. >> it's the president's fault john boehner can't lead the house republicans? >> it's the president's fault that john boehner has the potential of going for the delay of picking up lots of democrats

t. reason they're in this position is they passed a health care law wildly impopular not just with republicans but independents and democrats. >> what does your polls sigh? sample that is a fair critique, how nay went about it. where it became pass it at all costs, compromising so much so that they didn't realize what was in it and then failing to even attempt to sell its after the fact either. >> chuck -- >> we can unpack this for an hour about how everything they did wrong, messageing, trying to pass this thing, sitting there, putting their political life in the hands of max baucus, which, of course, was another disaster. there is a million disasters we could unpack on health care. >> chuck. i think you are dead right. i think the biggest problem with obamacare. it's not a perfect bill by any means was the messageing. if you took ten people from different parts of the country who say they're against a bill and sat them down. i'd love to have ten minutes with them and say, tell me why you are against the bill f. they

told you anything, it would be stuff that's incorrect. >> that's right. >> incorrect. >> but more importantly, it would be stuff that republicans have successfully messaged. >> absolutely. >> against it. and they won't have even heard. they don't repeat the other stuff. because they haven't heard the democratic message. what i always love, people say it's your folks' fault in the media. it's the president of the united states fault for not selling it. >> i read about reagan and tip o'neil. the genius of ronald reagan is when he launched anything significant, he explained it to the american people first in simple and direct terms. he never let it get out of the box without selling it first. we never did that on health care. we never did it on stimulus. so poem have no idea what the truth about stimulus was and no idea about health care was. nicole, you are rights it's a flawed bill. it will do a whole lot more good than harm. remember, social security, medicare. if we were back in those days, we would be having the same

discussion. except fdr and lbj probably did a better job explaining that out of the box. >> chuck todd, thank you so much. we will see you 9:00 a.m. on the "daily rundown." coming up, we are only beginning to learn how serious the flooding is in colorado. hundreds are still missing. kate snow joins us live from the flood zone next. [ female announcer ] we lowered her fever.

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>> welcome back to "morning joe." the good news the rain has stopped but there are still about 300 people missing at last check. kate snow is live in boulder, colorado this morning. kate, good to see you. what's the story there? >> well, willie the story is in some areas, as you say, things are starting to dry out. things are starting to get better. life is getting being to normal. but for the bowland family time is standing still. their dad is missing. the boland family is still waiting. >> i like this one, it has all of his grandkids. >> it was the middle of the night last week sharon and her husband of 54 years jerry left their canyon home.

>> the speaker came up the canyon saying you into ed to evacuate immediately. >> they drove two cars and got evacuated. jerry taught at the school for 30 years. he didn't stay in that safe place for long. why would he leave in. >> i guess he wanted to see if i went home. >> i just think it's a love story. he was safe and sound. they're both just so brave. they're so brave. >> so you went back looking for him? >> oh, i started to. then i had to be rescued at the other edge of town. >> that's shane, when her car flooded, rescueers scooped her up in the only vehicle tra could get to her. >> two people got out in their wet suits, put a life jacket on me. set me on the street and away we went. >> we saw the footage all day on thursday and had no idea it was our mom. >> and they had no idea their dad was missing. now, everyone in town is searching for jerry. >> everybody that ever had him in school has been out looking for him.

so and i thank everybody so much. >> we are just swollen with pride for him. i just can't say enough about how proud i am to be his daughter and how proud i am that he did all the right things in the end. >> they did find jerry's pickup truck overturned in the river just down the hill from his house. it's not a great sign. the family knows that, willie. they are trying to hold on to any hope they can. >> that is just a crushing story. unfortunately, as we said about 300 people still believed missing. kate snow in woulder, colorado. thanks, so much. coming up next, the 113th congress has been the least productive statistically in our country's history. maybe that's why the next generation of our leaders are standing up. we are joined with an announcement that could change the way things are done in washington. later, they used to be considered science fiction. now driverless cars, smart homes

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as the car loops around this make-shift track. it steerks accelerates and brakes, entirely on its own. redefining what it means to be in the driver's seat. >> i don't know, mellissa, that was a clip from the cnbc documentary rice of the machines here with "fast money" and options action, melissa lee, good to see you. >> good to see you guys. >> will we have driverless cars? do i trust that? >> within our lifetime. it took a matter of minutes before i got used to it. granted i don't drive in new york city. it's probably a little easier. we actually took this car, a prototype developed by carnegie mellon. we took it to the open road, cranberry, pennsylvania gave carnegie mellon permission to bring it out. we brought it out in regular traffic. you get cut off. it's making turns. it accelerates, it signals entirely on its own. >> why do we want this?

>> because there are 34,000 deaths. most caused by human error. computers are much more alert than humans. think about when you are tired, you are driving home. accidents happen. if key with eliminate that, you can save lives. this is a game changer. >> what about a first date? cooler guys. >> only you. >> i mean, listen, i think my husband would argue this car would drive bernt than i would. do you actually feel you could check your e-mail? really? >> i sent a line out on twitter while i was behind the wheel of the car. >> you trusted the car that much? >> i trusted the car that much. >> were you shouting commands? how does it work? >> accelerate, stop. go to starbucks. >> there are a sudden sensors, laser, cameras all around the car. it looks like a normal car. it has four on four computers. the car knows what is beside it. it can identify pedestrians versus cyclist, versus animals

that jump in front of it. the more you droift, the smarter it get, it continues to map, it continues to learn. >> the whole doc is about machines controlling our lives. okay. what's the dark on the side? obviously the more we advance the more we lose touch with tactical things, driving, connection. all of that. do you cover that at all as far as going to a scary place? >> yes, absolutely. with a driverless car, specifically, there are studies done on auto pilot, for instance, where pilots don't pay attention because too much is taken away from them in terms of having to be a. you can control yourlight, your locks, everything from a smartphone, can you hack that? yes. and we show. i think i actually rewatched it a while ago. all the things in that movie seem to be coming to pass that

you can't go anywhere without being tracked by something or somewhere, whether it's marketing, government, or whatever. so there is a lot to fear about it. you embrace technology. there is a lot to be scared of as well. >> there is. but you don't want to be out either. you think about the arguments about smartphones ten years ago, you were concerned you could be tracked or hacked. we are over that. we are way past. that we are doing online banking. we den think twice. >> that is the way it will be with this sort of technology in the not too distant future. mark my words, driverless cars in our lifetime, that's going to happen. all these things in terms of sensors enjeked to tell you in advance if you will have a heart attack in 48 hours. >> that is going to happen in our lifetime. and we look at all this. some of the advances in medical tech noshlgs amazing. >> there are a couple things you talk about. what is a sensor tattooed on the 16? is that what you are talking about? >> yes. right nowsh everybody has a

smartphone. right? so if you can harness that, monitor your viet also, your health. so your doctor has a read anywhere, any given time of day. they can call you. there are heart studies on the way here. look at that. >> that is the one you can swallow. they are working on one you can inject directly into your bloodstream. that's a little into the future. there is a huge heart study done at the university of san francisco where they're going to collect data real time from a million people via smartphone and they're going to identify what causes a heart attack. >> wow. >> so that they can send you an alert, bryant brian schaktman, call your doctor. are you at risk of a heart attack if 48 hours. >> that's unbelieve able in that's crazy. >> you say within our lifetime. let take a car, the driverless car. it will look to a lot of people like the jettisons, a thousand years away. how close is a car company. it's not just cadillac that has to agree to it. society has to agree to it. >> local towns and states i

think have to change their laws. how do you, who gets the ticket? the robot? it really does involve c-chain. >> who is involved causes an accident. the legal system. >> it's somebody that kills somebody. those are breckenridges we have to cross when it hams. it will be a gradual process already. there are so many features in cars that have crept up on us over the years such as adaptive cruise control this notion that a car can go at a certain speed and identify if a car in front of it all of a sudden brakes, it knows to brake. so it's adapting to its environment. that did not exist not that long ago and it's here. so all of these things will sort of creep up on us and gradually this car is going to be autonomous. it's not going to happen tomorrow, but it will happen. >> you can send it to pick up your kid, you can stay home. >> can you imagine what it is if you are disabled or if you are blind, if you are drunk. >> mellissa, you not only want to do an msnbc plug.

i am an msnbc guy. you have done a lot of docs, which is your favorite? which the has been the most successful? >> coca-cola. >> the most successful document? are you sure about that? >> it continue to run. porn, which is your favorite, done fideutsche. >> i didn't know that. >> you didn't know that. >> we talk about porn. >> you did a whole hour on cnbc? >> a whole hour. it's on your hard drive, donny, i know it. >> first you talk ab the benefit for first dates now we end with porn. >> we have come a wrong way. leave donny's hard drive out of it. >> good god. >> the doc premiers tonight. it looks great. 9:00 eastern and pacific time on cnpc. great to see you. >> now is yoursthan to get involved with our conversation online. tweet us your questions to mellissa using the hashtag mojo.

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coming up next, they represent a . >> here with us democratic representative from the state of hawaii congressman tulsi gabbard. >> let me ask you, congress woman, you are the youngest female in congress at 32 years of age. pretty new to that body. what have you made of the way business is done in washington and has that led you to this new initiative? >> i think one thing that i'm excited about in working with aaron here and some of our colleagues is that clearly there is a frustration with the lack of action in congress and we have an opportunity kind of as the next generation of leaders

to work together. i mean, relationships is so much what this is about. sometimes aaron and i get to work out in the morning. we've actually developed a friendship that serves as a strong foundation about real conversations how can we work together and not look to what's happening next week and next month, to see how we can set up the next ten years and 20 years to build a stronger america and a >> this is nicole wallace. i wanted to ask you, you talked about a new generation of leaders. do you think the body is too old and why people feel so disconnected? >> i would never say such a thing. >> i would. >> your actions may. answer the question. >> when i showed up five years ago at 27, i brought the average in the house of representatives down to 59. in january of this year, i was

one of four under the age of 40. in january of this year we swore in 40 member members under 40. 20 republican and 20 democrat. just being under 40 has helped to change the dynamic and if you put the 40 of us in a room and lock the door, we can come out with solutions that can pass and less concerned with the ideology of both of our parties and the process of the institution and we are more interested in coming up with bipartisan solutions that would work. >> part of that is we feel a great deal of impatience in wanting to get results and wanting to actually get things done and an unwillingness to take no for an answer and something can't be done as an acceptable course of action and to be creative and find a way through. >> let's take this model out for

a test drive. this new bipartisanship. tell me three fantastic things about president obama. he is a democrat and you are a republican. the one thing that has to change is republicans have got to stop being completely president-bashing. i want your top 3 great things about president obama. >> number one he came from the greatest state in the nation. >> very nice. >> nicely done. >> let me give you a couple of years where i reached out and want to work with him. number is on infrastructure. i don't want to revisit history, but i was a cosponsor of an amendment that jim overstar put forward to double the amount of spending on infrastructure. made voted on. the highway bill i'm a proponent of and i have a bill to increase

the taxes to be able to build more locks and dams in our country. infrastructure spending he talks a lot about and a lot of republicans would join to move on that issue. education reform, artie duncan has done a good job and we need to do more with our system as a former school board member. that's near and dear to my heart. a lot of republicans would join on substantive school reform policy. there a lot of areas where we can work with the president. before we get to the white house, we need a lot done in the house. as we have seen with the big bills, it's the house negotiating with the senate. >> i agree strongly that younger people have visions that affect things where older people may

not do that. talking about infrastructure, i agree request you, congressman. how do you get your tea party members and won't vote to spend a time on anything that investing in infrastructure is good government spending and the only way to grow. how can you get that done. i would like to hear from you too. >> i would say look, you won't get everything on everything. i won't suggest i can deliver 235 republicans and the most conservative ideological republican in my party, but i don't think you have to. i for one don't believe that 20 or 30 members ought to be deciding the agenda for the house of representatives or what my party stands for. second, look to those supporting infrastructure spending. the business community understands that infrastructure is part and parcel of economic

development. >> that's all good, but how do you stop your leadership from not bringing it to the floor and maybe too many members in your caucus don't want to invest. >> our leadership is a reflection of our caucus. if there not members rallying, it's not going to happen. if we bring forward a proposal that can bring over 100 members of congress on the democratic and republican side together, now we have political pressure to bring it for a vote. >> you are in favor of getting rid of that? >> i believe you need to try the speaker whether it's a democrat or republican needs to try to work with the majority of the conference when they can. at the end of the day, we have major challenges facing our country and so are so hell bent on voting no on everything, they have a responsibility to the

country to work with those who want to be a part of getting things done. >> good for you. >> i want to give one quick example. the question really that we as democrats and republicans have to answer is how do you pay for this. we have a new member of congress who came up with an idea who got support from democrats and republicans with a privately funded infrastructure and bank and finds that funding from the private sector and provides this funding direct le to the states to be able to improve the depply needed infrastructure requirements that each community is facing. that's one example. >> before i let you go, you are in the editorial page. >> that's never a good thing for a republican. >> what they are pointing out is an attack and the club for growth calling for a primary

because in 2011 you voted to increase the debt ceiling and 2012 you voted for the spending bill to prevent a government shut down. will that be in the back of your mind? >> absolutely not. i ran for congress because i promised i would do the right thing. i ran in a three-way primary and got 72% of the vote. i got 59%, 69% and this last cycle 72%. with all due respect to the club and the other think tanks and special groups in washington, d.c., i go home every weekend and know my constituents better than they do. i don't need a score sheet for them to tell me. >> you are against the government shut down in this case? >> who wants to shut the government down? i have never been an advocate of that. look, i think the debate here is

we are spending too much money. we are spending $1 trillion more than we take in. woe are having a conversation about what changes we make so that we are not going into debta the same rate of speed over the last couple of years. that's a conversation we need to have with the approximate the and the senate. >> if you challenge you, will you take a check from me and donny some. >> you know what, i never turn down a donation and won't apologize for anyone who wants to support me. >> you want to turn down donny's donation. that's filthy money, congressman. thanks so much for being with us. >> nice to be with you. >> president obama responds to critics who said his speech on monday may have been tone deaf to the washington shooting tragedy. new details about the shooter and warning signs perhaps

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>> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 on the west coast. we have mike and we have donny deutsch. >> we have an interesting conversation yesterday that kept me on twitter all day. what happened to the president. what's happening in the white house? we were talking i'm sure last

night and i'm sure everybody on the right and the left said the president should have used this speech to attack the debt. >> a little tone deaf and not recognizing the massacre in d.c.? >>. >> and not having anybody in the white house say no, you are not going to do that. after challenging reagan delayed the state of the union address. that's not a partisan deal. it's politics aside. what's going on at the white house? >> i wish i knew. i am probably nine out of ten times defending him and i was shocked. it was stunning. has the country and i hope the answer is no, become so desensitized that the shootings are part of a cycle from a marking and branding and political and human point of view? >> from the point of view of an american. >> i just don't. it's not a matter of somebody in

the white house. just as a guy. >> it's not about giving republicans a break. you would say hammered the republicans hard every day. but tomorrow will come. not while the massacre is going on. >> if you want to go politically, those are the moments the president acts presidential. those are the moments the hurricanes and the tragedies look to the big woman in the office. >> walking into the oval office, there is a common sense approach before you get to the other things. the common sense approach is mr. president, no one is going to watch this. it's not going to be on tv. the constant coverage. >> that was the point yesterday. it was not pragmatic. let me get to the president responding to this because he was asked by telemundo if giving the speech after talking about the massacre was bad timing. take a look.

>> keep in mind i spoke directly to the shooting while we were gathering information. everyone understands the minute something like this happens i am in touch with the fbi and my security team that all the assets are there to deal with this as well as we can. on the other hand what is important to remember is that congress has a lot of work to do right now. >> walk and chew gum at the same time. even the response didn't have a human touch. this wasn't a question of competency. >> i actual low would have expected him to say in retrospect we should have delayed the speech a day. but he didn't.

there is no understanding of this. >> it's not just about one speech. it's not just about one day. it's about a growing concern among democratic senators and those foreign diplomats and leaders. what's going on? are they engaged? what's going on? we have a reason to cheer for our government, especially internationally that they know what they are doing and they are confident that this president is not the lame duck for throw 1/2 year years. when you see this level of disconnect in the white house or several weeks in a row, even on something as simple as delivering a partisan attack and the timing of it, the timing of your secretary of state. i don't need to get through this again.

my god, they have 3 1/2 more years in the white house. this is more troubling than -- >> we can talk about syria and firing and stopping. this is if you are a school teacher or running a company or you were in a control room to not have the touch to know that even intuitively to want to discuss that is peculiar. >> i don't know. i don't know. it's coming from all sides for sure. here's what maureen doud writes. just as the address to the nation on syria last week, the president went ahead with a speech taken by effects. the senate was put into lockdown and the man who connected so electrically in 2008 causing americans to overlook his resume did not seem to connect anymore. obama still has a secret weapon.

congressional republicans who may cause a cataclysmic default to make him look good. but now puzzlement between his campaign and governing lass tud. folks like to grade on style he said dismissively, but why is it so often the president's style to be unable to sell the substance on issues where most people agree with him. >> that's a great point and i was thinking yesterday right now this white house is in trouble and desperate for one or two extreme republicans to wander away from the rest of the pack to say extreme things and seizing him. that's their last gain in town is exploiting the weaknesses of the opposition. >> it was a combination and not that the president give the

speech. it's not yesterday or the day after, but what he moved on to talk about which is washington. people are exhausted of hear being this. things don't get done because it's his fault or their fault. you combine that with speaking in the moment that is a shooting was going on. tone deaf. >> you talk about a government shut down at the time where the senate was locked down. i believed another gunman may have been in washington and believed the lives of a lot of people and the schools were shut down and the airport was shut down and the nation's capital was shut down when this shooting is going on. again, we are not talking about thing, but a much bigger problem at the white house. >> let's bring you up to date on the navy yard shooting itself and the complex image of aaron alexis.

with mental health issues, they never tripped anyone who managed to keep his security clearance. he called police from a hotel in newport, rode i land to complain that people were following him and he was hearing voices. he said he couldn't sleep because the same people were using motorcycle row wave technology to send vibrations through the walls. the "new york times" reports he sought treatment from a veterans affairs hospital. through it all, alexis min taned mid-level secret clearance and was granted credentials despite shootings in seattle and ft. worth texas and he was never convict and background checks by his most recent employer. he knew his way around guns. coworkers said he kept a .45 caliber as he made deliveries for a thai restaurant he worked for. flash forward to saturday when he bought a reming ton .870.

he tried out an assault rifle at the gun range. reports suggested he used an assault rifle in the shootings, but now they say he only had a shotgun and a side arm. the house veterans affairs committee seeking his va records and security clearance. president obama and defense secretary hagel of calling for kprat reviews at government and military facilities worldwide. a lost questions about exact low how he got in and why he had security clearance. >> take all these things together. 2004 in seattle. shoots out the tires. he shoots through the ceiling of the apartment because with of noise up stairs. within the last month he said what he said to the police that he was hearing voices and checked out twice by the va for mental health issues and

discharminged frdi discharged from the military. how was he able to enter as a private contractor. >> worry a mid-level secret clearance. >> he had secret clearance. they said he walked up to the line and didn't cross it. no charges filed in those cases. he was not committed to the institution so there was no record there. there has to be a way to identify people. >> you know what the scary and sad thing was? even if the checks balances were put in place, this would happen with this guy somewhere else. we look for the block. this is a sick man. sometimes there is no way to put a net around insanity. you will not have guns in this country, the fact that you can't keep people from buying guns because they are going to a shrink and hear voices. it's a tragedy.

even a would have could have should have. it will happen on a bus or in a park. sometimes we have problems in society. this is one of them. i don't know how with 300 million people of this country, we can analyze it to death. >> fine, but at the same time we don't have to be giving theme people security clearance. and it goes back to mental health. he was obviously having extraordinary issues. i think as we move forward again, we have taken mental health and a lot of problems out of the closet over the last decade or so. we will do that more. the great challenge of our time and younger americans are having more mental health challenges. >> what do you do with a case like this. he goes to the va shrink two or

three times and given prior codes in this country, do you put secret red flags on his jacket? >> that's one of the things. >> one of the things about newtown, a friend of mine e-mailed me with great points. do you want to encourage people to go and get mental health counseling? just because somebody has the courage to go doesn't moan they should have rights taken away. >> they don't want to be afraid to go. >> we always talked about criminals. that's easy. background checks and criminals. terrorists, yeah. that's easy. you move over to the mental health range where it's so important that we encourage people to get treatment, when does the red flag go up and when does the psychiatrist go my

gosh, this person. suddenly they are punished for getting the treatment they so desperately need. >> this is a huge issue and has been given so many veterans coming out of iraq and afghanistan with ptsd seeking help that you encourage them to do and they ought to do and you don't want to be held against them. >> let me play out a scenario. say we back track five days. i hate my boss. i hate my boss. this guy had been arrested once before for shooting a gun in the air and had been to a shrink saying that he hears voices and also used to work at ibm with an old clearance. he goes and shoots and said how can this happen? how do you stop that? there always going to be signs. >> society does overtime push certain behavior away or raises

awareness. if you smoke cigarettes all day long,ness c long, chances are you get sick. that's why we have the certain awareness about cigarette smoking. why can't the same concept be applied to watching violent, disgusting, incredibly mentally damaging video games all day long. you hear it every time we have a massacre you hear people do that all day long. doesn't that make your brain sick like cigarettes make your body sick? why can't we put a warping on the games? >> are i don't know, but for some reason you can't. you give people on the left and the right, a lot of them don't have kids, they think they have a right to -- americans are all ages have a right to simulate the slaughter of other human

beings all night and all day. it takes people without -- the "wall street journal" wrote an op ed about that. people that don't have the natural guardrails set up, it takes them over the cliff a lot of times. it desensitizes them. that's the whole thing. what we heard is this is complex. at the very minimum, let's make sure that men and women that work on military bases across america are safe. those contractors, let's make sure that the bar is high for the edward snowdens and for this guy as they are for the men and women in uniform when they walk on the military base. we have to really example this culture of contractors on a military base and the government and hold them not only to a high

standard, but even a her standard. right now you have a lot of people dead on a navy base and a shadow of capitol hill and one of the greatest security breeches in modern american history. >> how old is snowden? 29? he and a 32-year-old guy who should have been nowhere near this military information. >> that is for sure. she travels the globe searching if are ways to eliminate hunger worldwide. activist lauren bush joins us with her new organization's partnership. mark zuckerberg is making a new home and name for himself. i think it's catchy. >> lauren bush lauren. did i say is right? >> would you change it?

>> i wouldn't have the same zing. >> how about lb? we have taken care of this for you. >> i have a feeling she doesn't need that. >> it's like steve jobs. >> people don't know until you tell them what they want. >> a daring rescue of a man caught in a burping apartment. how a swift thinking building worker got the men out alive. first bill karens has a look at the forecast. he thinks he is swift thinking. i would be worried about my cat. bill? >> if i had to rescue the cat or mika and joe, that's the good question. we have been quiet and haven't heard much.

things next week look to get more interesting. place in the whole basin, you don't want us to go, the gulf of mexico. the water is warm and we got camille and rita and katrina. we have a system that is entering the southern gulf of mexico. it looks like it will stall out over the weekend. it could be until about next week. sitting over 80 to 85 degree water, it most likely will intensify and possibly a turn next week. this front stalls to the north along the gulf. it could pick it up and send it towards florida along the east coast or drift and miss up towards texas and louisiana and maybe even ahead towards mexico. it's too early to say where it's going, but a serious threat in the gulf of mexico into next week. it's a warm day in the middle of the country and we are wrapping up with showers and storms from iowa and it's nice for all of your travel needs. we loaf you with a shot of

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the judge ruled an office building in new york city said the owners used payments to funnel money to iran. it would be the largest property forfeiture because the office is worth between 500 and $700 million. proceeds will be donated and families affected by iran and theyed aed terrorists. >> the ceo of panera bread is living on $4.50 a day to raise awareness on what it's like to live on food stamps. he said he is trying to eat healthy foodie, but due to financial limits he is eating carb-heavy foods and could not afford fruits and vegetables. they are set to discuss $40 billion in cuts to the food stamp program. that makes a lot of sense especially with the minimum wage. that's great. >> mad men will have to wait

until 2015 for the series finaly and who will be splitting the final season into two installments. seven shows are going to air next spring. the second group will be shown in 2015. the good news, that will be more than one episode than planned. one more episode. let's go to politico. >> not as much. >> with mad men. stringing us along. >> little jack and little doug. we find out what happens to dawn. he jumps off at the end. >> it must be nice. >> you know who jumps off? we saw the whole thing and everything will go bad and he will end up going down an elevator shaft. don't you think he's going to die? >> i think the opening sequence

is there. >> you know what, i just saved people about 14 years. you don't have to wait for the end. >> donny wants to be involved as a mad man himself. >> they grow up. >> the crazy talk shows. >> you are panicked. you know the baby gap t-shirts. and they start meth labs. that's another show. >> we will talk about flying. let's go to politico. hoe has to look the the playbook. >> your big headline, house gop doubles down on a losing bet. we talk about obama care here. what do you mean? >> this is an example of how republicans have not found a winning direction since november even in times that the president seems back on his heels. republicans seem determined to inflict their on own self-inflicted wounds. they show that the one way that

obama care can hurt republicans and help the president is they can push ahead with the effort to say they will shut down the government over the question of whether or not to provide funds and have obama care go ahead on october 1st. they know this would hurt their party and put them in a deeper hole going into the national elections, but on the hill there doesn't seem to be any other way. they are forced into a situation where they have to pass a bill,to die defunding obama care and continue the government and one of the reason that is the top analysts here in washington, chris krueger said there is a 40% chance that on september 30th, the government will shut down. that would hurt republicans. >> you just answered my

questions. i was going to ask you where the odds are of the shut down. that's a good chance. ted and others like him win this fight? >> in the short-term, they are winning. we talked to people in the house republican leadership. they don't see how something can pass that doesn't include this. there is not the trust of leadership. this is not going to happen in the long run because this is not something that the president would accept. it's a short-term political image, but you are right. they are winning. this came up in the summer and a lot of people are blaming speaker boehner for not finding a way to diffuse this and to his conservative members and letting them push this over. now he is back and has to find a way to somehow talk about this. >> two weeks now to avert the shut down. >> i want to ask you about another story. mark zuckerberg going up to

capitol hill. he got more involved in politics over the last couple of years. >> he sure has. this is an example of tech companies that used to stay on the west coast are becoming very involved and spends millions of dollars here. on thursday he will be meeting with the top four leaders of the congress. joel kaplan was a top official and will be showing him around. he will be talking about immigration which is a big issue. he and other tech executives have been talking about. a lot of issues have come up. surveillance and privacy and the members are going to ask about that as well. he will meet specifically with the leader nancy pelosi. keep that conversation going even though he agreed with the legislation and doesn't seem to be going anywhere. >> coming up next, an issue that impacts 50 million americans every day.

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just because they are born without enough food and nutrients to grow and thrive and develop the way they need to. >> it's unbelievable to see so many kids that don't have food. it's a disaster. we have to do something. >> that was a clip from the documentary that raises money to fight hunger around the world. here is the ceo and cofounder lauren bush lauren. of course model turned philanthropist and granddaughter of president bush one and niece of w bush and daughter in law of ralph lauren. before we get to the thanksgiving dinners, me about a project that has given away a million free meals. >> they have been around for over years and the mission is to create the products that feed the world.

we sell ads and accessory and that signifies the meals and children we are able to feed through that purchase. consumers know they are making a difference through the purchase. we are partnering with clarins. we are launching at macy's this gift with purchase program. >> this will feed? >> are this provides ten meals. exactly. if you spend a certain amount at a macy's clarins counter, you will get this for free. they made a donation on your behalf to give meals to kids around the world. >> this smart marketers understand it's almost presidential who want to sell something, you have to give back at the same time. this is fantastic. >> thank you. >> i give a lot of credit to the chairman of clarims who said the

gift with purchase programs do time and again and he wanted to do good through it. coming up with this gift is innovative for the cosmetic industry and beinga i long-term partner is wonderful. together we have been able to give 2.5 million meals so far. we need people to go out and go to macy's and support the products and the program. >> given the scope worldwide, who gets the meals. how do you prioritize? >> we work through great organizations on the ground. mainly the world food program who is working in 62 of the poorest countries around the world to deliver school meals to kids who would otherwise not get a school meal and maybe the only meal they get that day. it's effective because it ensures they get that more nutritious meal, but they go to

school to get that meal. it encourages education as well. >> a lot of us are involved in various places and one of the things that i want to know is how difficult is it to make sure that the money, dollar for dollar gets there and how do you let people know and give them the confidence that that money is going to the right place? >> that's a question everyone asks. rightly so. we try to be transparent. we always have the number on our products. consumers know where their money is going. i just got back from africa and i am constantly traveling and visiting the programs and learning first happened how the money is being used. work with organizations that are low overhead. it's 90% plus of the money woor are giving is going to food. forget transportation and salaries. it's very important. the child really benefits.

>> we were talking about how much of your life is here and you started in addition other things in your life. can you talk about how this has become your passion and purpose? >> i feel so blessed to do what i do. i love design and i love being an entrepreneur. you combine that with giving back with giving back in a tangible way. it is fulfilling to me. i designed the first feed bag about years ago with the idea to activate people and the fight to end world hunger. it's this massive overwhelming far away issue, yet it takes meals and effective programs that are making a difference. every bag sold feeds one child in school for one year. it took off from there. i would say it's more than a full time job for about seven years now. i love every minute of it and it's fun to get great partners

like this to impact further. >> really fantastic. just curious and two sides, you are cracking open buds and basic stuff some. >> pretty much. >> who is the worst man. >> lauren bush lauren, greatest name on television. here's a chance to get involved. she will answer questions. tweet us now using the hash tag mojo and watch afternoon mojo. up next, what's driving the markets this morning. cnbc joins us with business before the bell when "morning joe" returns. [ tires screech ]

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today we expect to hear that instead of buying $85 billion a month, maybe they will only buy 75 billion a month. it's not guaranteed by the way. >> this is pretty well telegraphed. i guess the question for the people out there, how will the market react if it's priced in and anything they might do to chuck the markets? >> that's a good point. they started telegraphing this in may and the market got hammered for a while and since recovered. i think if they went to 20 or 25, that might hurt the markets. if they don't do anything at all, the market could be thrilled because there is more sugar in the economy than they thought or would they be worried that they think the economy is not recovering enough. >> thank you. up next, heart breaking with 12

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. >> heart breaking details of the people struck down seemingly at random. michael arnold was a 29-year navy veteran who lived in horton, virginia. the same town where aaron alexis bought his gun. arnold was in the middle of

building a plane. it would have been the first he ever owned. >> i am so proud of him. he just had been a really wonderful, wonderful son and a wonderful father and a wonderful husband. i'm just proud of him. >> kathy gaarde was a washington capitals fan. her husband told nbc news i lost my life partner. that's a hole that will never be filled. john johnson was 73, but friends say he looked 20 years younger. the veteran civilian contractor is survived by four daughters who said their father is known for thing among all others. >> he is such a man of joy. everywhere he goes. >> he brings joy and a smile on their face. >> he is up in heaven giving the bear hugs to all the angels and

they don't know what to expect. >> his hugs are like that. >> frank kohler has two daughters in college. a past president of the local rotary club in maryland, he is known as king oyster for his service. kenneth proctor had two teenage boys. he didn't actually work in building 197, but the civilian contractor went there every morning for breakfast. vishnu pandit immigrated from mumbai and dedicated his life to making ships better for sailing. arthur daniels, his teenage son was shot and killed on the streets of washington just years earlier. running from a gunman.

when on monday daniels was shot in the back as he fled aaron alexis. his wife was heartbroken at the news. >> i called his super voizor and left a message and when i left a message he called me back and he said are you sitting down? i said yeah. and he said that he got shot. >> mary francis knight is a proud mother. her oldest daughter was married less than two weeks ago and spent considerable time helping plan the wedding. gerald read was a grandfather and civil war buff. before going to work at navy sea systems command, he rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel in the army. sylvia frasier made sure the

computer network was secure, but her family heard she was injury and then found out she had died. her sister said so matter what, they have to forgive. martin bodrog was known for being an opposing figure, but smile could win people over including the 3-year-olds he taught bible study. mike ridgell served for three years before becoming a private contractor. he coached his daughter's softball teams and known to sprinkle a trail of powdered sugar through the house so his kids would think santa and his reindeer had just visited during christmas. we'll be right back. >> here's your forecast on this

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. i don't know that we learned much other than the obvious safer every moment in this life of ours. >> when you listen to how you read those names, you think of the randomness of it. that's what is most striking. going-over to the building for breakfast. >> if we learned anything, it is with all our technology, we did a lousy job screening. the clearance to be on a military sbas amazing. >> people move on, but for the people who lost loveds, life will never be the same.

>> no words to our 12 americans. chuck todd is up next. >> he heard voices. he sought treatment. not only did he have a gun, he had security clearance for a u.s. military facility. we had the latest on years of red flags before the massacre. >> where is the outrage. if they can't change the president's plans, what will? also this morning, republican leaders try to find a way forward on the debt limit, the budget and other issues. we will talk to bill crystal about the divides that bind the gop these days. good morning from washington. it's september 18th, 2013. the latest on the navy yard shooting. the emerging 54 trade of a gunman is that apeered to be rapidly