because they are champs just like "the cycle." >> we have a report of a fourth floor, a male with a shotgun, multiple shots fired and multiple people down. >> that is just a sample of the ems transmissions sent at the start of monday's fatal navy yard shooting. two days later a makeshift memorial is growing and president obama will attend a memorial service on sunday. there's new information on the time line of alexis' actions inside the building and events leading up to it. pete? >> it seems clear from analysis of surveillance video and talking to survivors how this went down inside. they've given us a slightly revised version of what happened. the broad outlines are pretty well established. he drove on the base and used his pass to get in, carrying a shotgun in a bag. we went immediately up to the

fourth floor and pulled a shotgun out in restroom and came out and started firing of the for some reason he went back down to the first floor where he killed a security guard and took the guard's gun and went back upstairs and resumed shooting. it appears that most of those, if not all of those who were killed were killed by blasts from the shotgun. he used that with very deadly effect, having just bought it a couple of days earlier, last saturday in wharton, virginia. as for why that building and why he went in with such a rampage mentality, authorities say they simply don't have a good answer. the profilers believe that in most of these mass shootings, the person who's pulling the trigger has some specific target in mind and can't stop, keeps going. but they found no obvious target here. no one who apparently criticized him or had a cross word with him

or anyone that he wanted to try to get even with or had a grudge against. it remains a big question. and you talked we top about mental health registry, obviously the defense department saying they want to look at all of the red flags that were missed about aaron alexis and his getting and keeping a security clearance, brushes with the law. his seeking treatment. but i thought an interesting thing was said today by the chairman of the joint chiefs who said, he wants to make certain that people in the military and civilian employees are free to seek mental health treatment without facing adverse consequences. so that's going to be a delicate thing as they go back here and look at these red flags and one other thing that has to be pointed out. we talked a lot about this report by the newport police who say they went to hem in early august and he was complaining about hearing voices. they passed that along to the navy. today our pentagon correspondent reports that the navy now says that word, that word of that

newport police report was never passed beyond the base there. never got to officials in washington about these complaints that he was hearing voices and people were following him and he feared they were using what he called microwave machine to prevent his sleep. and that he feared for his safety. >> all right, pete williams, thanks for that reporting. it is such an important trade-off wanting to monitor this incident while not disincentivizing people from getting treatment. how do we balance public safety and mental health privacy? 38 keep some type of mental health registry and some are caller for stricter checks before buying guns or month robust ways to catch problem case. while employers can access credit score and ask potential candidates about criminal convictions, under the american with disabilities act they are barred from acting about mental health histories.

there are good reasons to prevent discrimination and personal medical information. is there some professional and ethical way to use more mental health information to get would be shooters into treatment before they might kill? attorney james piles has spent 40 years working in health law and policy and council for the american psycho anl littic association. you say we have to identify those who have a risk, including the use of guns and provide them with better mental health treatment. my question to start, how do we do that? >> well, there's a lot of research out there that indicates the danger signs that people who are mentally ill and risk for gun violence have. one of the opportunities we have with these folks is that the shooters, including the one we just saw at the navy yard, often build up to the sort of thing,

the shooting over a long period of time, a year or more. they also let others know. these are people who often suffering from a mental illness and they tell others about it and tell them about hearing voices or feeling sensations and that are part of the mental illness. these people don't typically just snap. these are folks who build up to this rampage over a long period of time and scholars in the mental health field know whoe t what the danger signs are and we need to communicate these and provide mental health practice tigsers with a list of criteria to determine when someone is risk for gun violence and try to get the folks' names into the gun purchase background database so that they can keep gun out of the hands of these people. >> and some of that type of coordinating, he especially bey

the level of individual treatment goes back to funding and coordination and that is harder in an environment like the sequester where we see programs facing these kind of funz, right, abby? >> jim makes a great point in that they normally go to their friends, people they are close to telling them they have mental issues but don't go to their pli as ari mentioned earlier. but in general, if you're interviewing for a job, your employer can ask about your driving record, your criminal record. they can ask about your credit report. is there a place for mental health in terms of the job hiring process as it becomes more and more of an issue? >> i think what you touched on at the beginning of the segment is important. many people believe that if word gets out that they are receiving treatment for a mental illness that their job opportunities

will be curtailed and nowhere is that more true than in washington, d.c. and capitol hill as one congressman said to me once, if anyone finds you've seen a psychiatrist, your political career is over. we have to preserve access to effective mental health care. i think we can do that by just letting the public know what the danger signs are. giving the mental health practitioners the criteria they need to get folks into treatment. it's very clear to me if you look at the timelines of these shootings, the police arrived at the navy yard within seven minutes and arrived at newtown at the elementary school within two and a half minutes. both of those shooters got off so many rounds and killed so many people before the police could get there. the only people who can stop these mass shootings are mental health practitioners. >> it's absolutely right. in a lot of ways we don't understand mental health and what it is.

if someone said i have diabetes, you wouldn't not hire them. if you say i have depression, suddenly that would be a weird thing. we don't want to throw that out to employees and let them misunderstand it. but the idea of a registry, i hope you studied this before, it's a national registry, very dangerous concept because we don't fully respect and understand mental illness as a society and registry would be like a scarlet letter to where it would be ultrastigma tiesing to then be on that registry and then you would have a lot of people say, i don't want to admit or go for treatment because i'll get on that registry. >> it has exactly the opposite of intended effect. if you do that people won't seek -- who need treatment won't seek treatment and you'll have more newtowns and navy yards rather than less. >> jim, as you're sort of pointing out. it doesn't seem to me in this particular case there were a lot of places where the government could have kredably intervened in a helpful way in terms of

aaron alexis' mental health but there are a lot of checkpoints where maybe a friend or loved one or family member could have intervened and it seems funding towards public education of the signs to look for would be helpful here. but help us educate our viewers. what are the signs that a friend or loved one needs help and is there a difference between just being mentally ill and needing help and someone who actually may be turning towards violence? >> absolutely. it's been said repeatedly that only about 4% of those suffering from mental illness are violent. that may be true but nearly all of the mass shooters over the past 15 years suffered not only from mental illness but severe and easily diagnosable mental illness and these are people who typically are suffering from delusions and paranoid and people who have a fascination ownership with guns, perhaps

used guns in the case of this gentleman, he had a history of using guns, violent temper. we need to arm the public with the danger signs and need to arm the practitioners with the criteria to get these people into treatment. as part of the affordable care act, we need to make sure that there is funding for mental health treatment for people who are potentially violent. >> jim, thanks for your work on this and thank you for spending time with us. >> finding common ground on drugs and no, you don't need to be smoking anything to appreciate this next story. that's up next as "the cycle rolls on. [ male announcer ] running out of steam? ♪ now you can give yourself a kick in the rear! v8 v-fusion plus energy. natural energy from green tea plus fruits and veggies. need a little kick? ooh! could've had a v8. in the juice aisle. guys, you took tums® a couple hours ago.

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today the war on drugs hit the judiciary committee. the goal is to re-evaluate the system when it comes to nonviolent drug crimes and this push brought together strong washington bedfoel lows tea party conservatives and democrats that agree that it is broken. rand paul wrote, our reliance on mandatory minimums has been a great mistake. these sentences have not reduced crime but imprisoned people, nonviolent offenders for far longer than is just or beneficial and to that i say wow and glad to agree with senator paul on this. this has long been common on the left but we heard more and more from folks on right which has me

happily flabbergasted. why is this happening? let's ask perry bacon, who scored in last place in quiz master 2,000 but we still respect -- >> you're still first with us, perry. >> still in first place with us. >> perry, for 200 points, what is rand paul up to, is it about wooing black and brown voters or overincarcerating so many people or what's going on? >> a couple of things. if you look back, 1980s, republicans were known as the party who is tough on crime and tough on the war on drugs. ronald reagan was the driver behind mandatory minimums. now you have rand paul, not just a conservative, probably one of the most conservative in the country, in a speech today he talked about the hearing about repeatedly where he was about african-american males, phrase

used three or four times being incarcerated in high numbers. a, rand paul is libertarian, you think a convergence twenty libertarians and liberals on these issues and does have some interest in expanding the republican party to blacks and latinos and this is an issue rand paul, tends to be someone pretty authentic and says what he thinks. this is less about politics and more about a genuine concern about drug offender and how we prosecute them. >> if it's a genuine concern, it seems to disrupt something we've heard a lot from washington, which is that this is a partisan period and nothing gets done. on this issue and the war on drugs, on the nsa surveillance which we've discussed, on syria, whether you like it or not, we're seeing a lot of areas where it seems more about top ver sos bottom or old versus young than democrat and republican. do you agree or would you look at this issue differently? >> you look at what rand paul is

calling for and pat leahy is calling for, for congress to just move away from mandatory minimums they are trying to codify what holder talked about, how the administration would not prosecute drug crimes in the same way anymore. if you look outside, look at fiscal issues, health care, tax code second, those issues are very polarizing for a long time. you mentioned nsa, gay marriage, syria, drugs, these are issues where it's not about really right and left. there's a libertarian versus nonlibertarian and drug issue and age gap where older members of congress are more comfortable with the war on drugs and younger members see failures of that. there's a bunch of new issues coming out with a little bit of change in national security policy and almost domestic issues. also rand paul is like all four of us, of an era of which crime is not the problem it was in the 1970s and 1980s. >> i hate to interrupt the

bipartisan moment, but there is other news coming out of washington, looking more and more like speaker boehner is going to take a more confrontational approach on the continuing resolution which we're all hoping would keep the government from shutting down. but basically the right -- passing a cr tied to defunding to obama care which doesn't stand a prayer of a chance in the senate, let alone with the president. there's been a lot of attention on the obama care piece of that. even if you look at the numbers that they are trying to pass in this cr, it seems problematic to me. they are trying to basically make the sequester level very harsh cuts, the new status quo, at least for nondefense spending and then on the defense side the republicans have more of a problem with the cuts. they are bumping it up a little bit so republicans can be more comfortable. it doesn't seem to me like even

those numbers put aside the obama care piece have a chance at passing in the senate. >> yeah, the danger the republicans are getting into, they are basically going to send over a resolution that says the most extreme possible that says we're going to defund obama care and keep domestic cuts the way they are now, which democrats don't like and increase defense spending, the one thing they want to change in the sequester. that's unlikely to be approved by the senate democrats that's why you get the bind boehner is in. i talked to the republican leadership and strategists, their view is we'll never de-fund obama care and their goal is to tie the debt ceiling to some kind -- extract the debt ceiling and try to push obama on entitlement reform or tax reform. the tea party folks, they argue that october 1st, obama care starts. we can't stop it after that. this is our last best chance. not a very good chance but our last chance and we're going to

push it as hard as we can. >> there seems to be a real lack of trust and respect between the leaders, especially in the house and activists. what do they expect the role to be of president obama and his team. they say he needs to march up to capitol hill and have the meetings. my question is, who does he speak to and how does that conversation play out? >> that's one of the new challenges. i'd say if you asked me about government shutdown is going to happen, i would say it probably won't. the thing to keep in mind. president obama doesn't have to run for re-election again. and the people who really run the republican party, people in the house are about 40 or 50 tea party members -- >> that's a scary thought. >> what did you say? >> you said 40 or 50 tea party people run the house in reality. i said that's a scary thought. >> and they do listen to folks like paul ryan and he'll be an important figure here. they don't listen to john boehner very much. and this why if you're the white

house, you have to figure out not the leadership is kind of leadership in name only often and it's really the members who lead what's called the republican study committee. and that's kind of the big block of conservatives. they are the people who ultimately are going to sign on to whatever happens. some of them realize obama care -- paul ryan is pretty aware, obama is not going to sign a delaying of his signature lay but you have to get more republicans there and the rsc members, government shutdown will not hurt them. their constituents want a shutdown and want a confrontational approach and that becomes a challenge there. >> they don't listen to john boehner. we don't listen ari, it all comes together. radical liberal reforms in the war on drugs, tim lynch from the cato institute will join us tomorrow to talk about all of this. expecting slightly different kind of conversation. up next, we'll try to

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one thing i'm absolutely confident about, people don't think of themselves first as democrats or republicans or black or white. they think of themselves as americans. as we're continuing to be distracted by the kind of games we see typically out of washington, then we're going to missed our opportunities. >> the 2008 barack obama. just feel it in the midst of a successful election. by most accounts an election and campaign that was above some of the games and infighting that so many suffer from. a new report the 2012 election was a different store, plagued

by vicious battles behind the scenes with the closest team members lashing out another each other over strategy and tv bookings. richard wolffe, the author of "the message" the reselling of president obama. thanks for being with us. >> it's a pleasure to be with you. i finally made it to "the cycle". >> it was bound to happen. let me start by playing what you report in the book is president obama's favorite political ad. >> there's a bear in the woods. for some people the bear is easy to see. others don't see it at all. some people say the bear is tame. others say it's vicious and dangerous. since no one can really be sure who's right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? if there is a bear. >> richard, why did president

obama like that ad for ronald reagan so much? >> he liked a lot of things about reagan and his communications effort. two ads that loomed large, morning in america and the bear. obama's advisers didn't like it as much as but this appeals to -- this appeals to an intellectual level for this president. it's all a giant metaphor. this is why the ad the bear didn't actually test very well. people were confused what was it about. why -- what were they talking about? that was what people come to love about it. when you're in a tough election, a close election, obama's aides were saying it's too subtle this time around. >> richard, we know there's a hint of arrogance in all presidents but you compare president obama's love to ceasar's palace in vegas and say it's over inflated sense of self established well before 2008 and bring up the example in 2004 before he walked on to give his

speech at the dnc convention, i'm lebron, baby, play on this level, i've got some game. sounds like someone i know at "the cycle." as you write about the debate preparation in 2012, that was the strategy his team gave him in the first debate to go in with this confidence, it's not comparing yourself to romney, it's i'm the president and we're moving forward. we all saw how that happened. >> first debate was really interesting. it's rare you get -- normally you go try to find out what really went on. people will often pile onto the candidate because clearly he did not perform as well as anyone hoped. a lot of people said we didn't prep him right. we gave him giant binders of information, policy documents and he's the guy who will read the full binders of the policy document. >> not just 47%. >> instead of giving him one page or when should he push back

or how she should push back, thy kept giving him more stuff to get into -- he was also disengaged and inclineded to do the stuff of the policy, economic crisis and all of the rest of it. but the first debate, yeah there was some there for him. nobody on his staff thinks he has a confidence problem and also thought he was making his point at the end of his sentence. he didn't hit his point main point at the start of the sentence, something was going badly wrong and they looked at that first debate and thought he was way off track and blame themselves a lot for that. >> tour'e could learn a thing or two from president obama. >> i'm not getting into that. >> richard, there are a hundred different explanations why the president was ultimately victorious, the 47% video, hurricane sandy, some republicans believe the economy getting just good enough, what is the internal campaign's sort of analysis of why they actually

won? >> so, you have to look at this as a sort of two-year arc where they start out in the depths of the lowest point of the first term, which is right after the debt ceiling crisis and we're going to go into another one now. they poll d at that point and tried to figure out what was this very fine track they had to take in talking about the economy. they weren't really running against mitt romney. he was a long way down the track of challenges they had. how could they talk about an economy. could they talk about the president's accomplishments and say it's morning in america or just about morning in america. they put a lot of effort into saying, you know, what's the language we can use? how can we roll out this plan? how can we make our ad dollars go further? obviously there were parts of the campaign that were completely ground breaking. the tech site in terms of digital media and fund raising through e-mail, one of the challenges they had was also each over.

it's an extraordinary think they overcame not just this incredibly challenging economy but the internal strive that was indemic in the campaign that wasn't four years ago. >> there's a lot of detail on that and the book is well written and covers a lot of ground. what do you say to the criticism that this book focuses perhaps too much on media strategists for the campaign and their own sort of inner dealings. some people would say some of that amounted to gossip. others would say it's a piece of the puzzle that hadn't been fully reported. what do you say to that criticism? >> it's not gossip if it's fully reported. i didn't go in there expecting to write this kind of story. this was a story told to me by the people who ran the campaign themselves. and so, you know, if they wanted to tell this as their account, then i have a responsibility to be honest and be true and the infighting is a part of the story but there are many chapters that deal with how the

media campaign unfolded and how they went through the debate prep and the digital team performed and how the tech people maybe didn't perform as well as expected. this is a much bigger picture but when you look at a re-election -- it is a much more narrowly defined set of challenges than the first time around. you're trying to introduce a character and going through a biography and what he represents, it is about reselling and repackaging. i was also inspired by the book of the nixon campaign in '68, the selling of a president. that wasn't the first time a president used tv, this wasn't the first time they used smart atd strategies but it was a real shift change in how elections were fought this time around and will be fought again. >> your book you look beyond just the election and look into the future and took about obama's real goal for his entire political career, the legacy he wanted was to change the process of politics as much as any

particular policy thing. he said the obama said to you it has been a running theme in my political career, there's something about our democracy that is broken that prevents us from solving real problems. and you know, at this moment with syria and the debt ceiling going on, we can't help but look and say the process remains as messy and broken as it ever been, largely in part of the because of the obstructionists republicans but this was obama's main goal and we have to conclude it was not a success. >> i think he's faced huge challen challenges, not to which the republican party determined to stop him at every turn no matter what the policy was. reforming politics and reforming is a driving force for him today. he's not talking about it. and i think that's one of the really puzzling things that when you come out of election, he didn't keep his grass roots energized and that sense of

reform continuing and maybe that's something he'll get back to. >> it's a great point and you have the chapters there on the digital stuff. you don't hear from ofa going into these battles. thanks for being here and good luck with the book. while you're sitting there, richard, since you're executive editor of msnbc and all things digital on nbc, we reached out to you our facebook fans to see what you think of the second term presidency, doomed by confusion and carol har ris king defends the current president saying, look, he's not doomed. he's hard working and getting us through hard times. history will tell. >> amen. >> like us on facebook and check out the rest of msnbc.com and leave a comment for richard. up next, we have breaking news from the fed. stocks are soaring five years after the financial crisis. we'll look at that next and the toughest frontier may be up ahead. >> the point is, ladies and gentlemen, that greed for lack of a better word, is good. it starts with something little, like taking a first step.

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ben bernanke said in the past and at the press conference, we may lose a whole percentage point off gdp because of these congressional shen nangans. >> in your american banker article, you write that this outstanding challenge of reforming wall street it actually starts the banker's brain. what do you mean by that? >> well, the short story here is that attitude matters and we can have a lot of great reform and there were really important provisions we put in place with dodd frank. but until the industry starts to change the prevailing mindsets of how it approaches this business. we're not going to have lasting reform. they are going to find ways to circumvent, whether two years or three years from now, we'll face another crisis. >> one of the bizarre parts of the brain, a lot of bankers see themselves in competition with their own clients which is why they don't feel remorse selling them toxic products. this is bizarre to me. how does that happen? how do we fix that? >> that's exactly right.

it sounds crazy but when you talk to people in the industry, they will say, well, it's always win/lose, there's no work together and expand. there's no let's align incentives. it has to start actually from management. that one importantly has to start with ceo saying i want to take a different approach to how we approach our clients. they want to be building long-term relationships. this isn't just about ben nef lens, there's an important case to say if we can build better relationships longer term they buy more products from us and it's more profitable for them. >> it starts with management and only 3% of executives for financial services firms are women. is a part of the problem there is no women and imbalance in the way things are being handled? >> that can be a part of it. what's remarkable to me, a lot of the fphenomena i talk about are standard across the industry. there are a number of women who are in senior positions and sort of one or two levels down and

they wind up getting kind of consumed by this culture as well. the only response -- women isn't the only answer but it could be a huge part of changing things. >> i want your thoughts on a pretty major breakthrough we're seeing prosecution of jaxt p morgan for very risky bets they made and a big shift because as you know, for a long time the sec and other agencies, including some at your former employer, were striking these deals where they would get money out of the banks for bad behavior. a federal judge has been criticizing that practice for year and for the first time this month we're seeing a finding of wrong doing as well as a big fine against a bank. what do you make of that? do you think that's departure from where the obama administration started out? >> i would call it's a move in the right direction. it's evolving into the place we want it to go.

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development and frankly frightening news down near new orleans this afternoon. residents are struggling to cope with the death of a 4-year-old boy killed by a brain-eating amoeba. this amoeba can only attack through the nose by attaching itself to the olfactory nerve where it spreads quickly. they believe he contracted while getting water up his nose while playing on a slip and slide. it is formed in an area largely abandoned after hurricane katrina, leaving stagnant water that baked under the hot louisiana sun. only 130 people have ever been affected in the united states and of them just three have survived. this is just the latest though unthinkable story in an era of which these freak events are becoming much more common. in just the past decade we've

experience the sars and bird flu and swine flu. peter dougherty is the author of "pandemics what everyone needs to know." i'll start with one place where i've been very concerned, which is in antibiotic resistant super bugs, the head of the cdc came out and said we'll soon in a post antibiotic era if we're not careful. for some patients and microbes we are already there. what do you have to say about that? >> that's a kind of scary situation. we're getting total drug-resistant tuberculosis. there hasn't been enough money for the drug companies to push on the developing new antibiotics and we have to change the way we're doing a lot of things. gates foundation has been putting money in. it's dangerous, not likely to cause a pandemic though. >> when my parents were young, they worried about smallpox and polio and the thing we really worry about now, the pandemic

most shaped this age is aids, do you see a world where we can get rid of that, eradicate that in my lifetime? >> not in a quick timetime. maybe even goes right back to the 1920s, 1930s. and we're not likely to get a vaccine any time soon. some advances in possible gene therapy type approaches. >> i know this has crossed people's minds, the likelihood a terrorist group or military enemy could initiate this pandemic? and what would that look like? you consider the 1918 spanish flu that killed 5% of the world's population. >> yeah, my own view is they're not very good buy owe terror weapons. an athletics is a very good one. you can scare people and easy to make. the problem is, if you introduce some really horrific virus, you're just as likely to kill your own people as the others. they're not good military weapons. >> well, and you see this story

about this poor little boy. but should -- should we be concerned? should we be concerned about this? >> yeah, of course. but there's not a whole lot you can do, really. i mean, this is in the water. it's not a pandemic problem. classically in australia we see it in kids diving into swimming pools that are infected with the bug. >> how has globalization impacted the spread of these types of viruss and parasites? >> it's rapid air travel that's been the thing that spread things around. we now get flu around the world in months. in 1980, 1990 with the terrible flu pandemic, it didn't get to australia until 1919, and that's because of sea travel, everyone died or recovered by the time they got up there. with air travel, influence goes very fast, within six weeks. >> anything specific people can do when they are traveling to be safer? >> yeah, you can be careful. if you're sitting -- if you're in a plane and someone has got the flu, you're not going to catch it unless you're within

two or three seats of them, usually. aisle seat. if you're traveling to exotic places, exotic diseases, the sort of thing you see in the movie "contagion," just be careful and protect against mosquito bite. and if you feel sick, certainly see a doctor. if you're sick on a plane, tell the people on the plane. >> these superbugs like sars, they tend to kill very effectively kill almost everybody who gets it. so that makes it harder for the bug itself to spread, right? >> we think probably that a bat virus and sars is a bat virus. sars did spread between humans. the unusual thing about sars, it went to a respiratory route and spread fairly widely. ebowl eye has never done that. very large numbers of horrific diseases. but it's extremely unlikely they're going to cause

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fbi. they did a job that in many ways they never get thanked for. >> those fundamental changes have made the fbi stronger, and more successful in stopping terrorist attacks before they occur. >> those are a few congressional republicans paying tribute to the fbi. you can find many more examples. but paying tribute requires more than words. i think it also requires paying the fbi to do its job. and many republicans aren't doing that at all. here's james comey, who became fbi director, just this month. >> i'm not sure that the effects of sequestration on this great institution that's charged with protecting the american people -- that those effects are known well enough yet. i was very surprised to learn about the impacts that sequestration is having on the fbi. >> comey says the sequester cuts to the fbi are nonsensical and while he is a former republican prosecutor himself, he makes it clear that the gop's endless sequester will force him to cut

and send home a lot of fbi investigators at a time when we need them. >> not only am i having to lose 3,000 positions, but is there a very real prospect, unless something is done, that i'm going have to send home for two weeks without pay, the good men and women who work in this building behind me and who are charged with protecting the american people. that makes no sense at all to me. >> i bet it doesn't make sense to you either. the fbi's sequester plan is based on requirements from the arbitrary cuts demanded by republicans during the absurd debate that led us to the absurd automatic sequester back in november 2011. and here's how the "new york times" summarizes the plan that comey is being forced to oversee. fbi headquarters will shut down for several days at a time. fbi field offices will also shut down. during the shutdowns, the bureau will, quote, have only a skeleton crew on hand. now, the "times" reports it's questionable how effectively the fbi can respond to crime under this plan. it also notes, however, that

investigators can, quote, return to work if there's a terrorist attack or a crime like a kidnapping. that's not exactly comforting. we should ask whether continuing these cuts make us safer and stronger and whether we want even more cuts across the board, because that's what republicans are demanding in the next budget showdown. all right. that does it for us here on "the psycycl cycle." martin, on to you. >> it's wednesday, september 18th. in one corner, the president, the other, the speaker. it's time to unleash the snake. ♪ here i go again on my own ♪ going down the only road i've ever known ♪ >> it is going to be important for all of you to understand what's at stake. >> we're going to continue to do everything we can to repeal the president's failed health care law. >> that same faction in congress says we're not going to pass a budget. >> there should be no conversation about shutting the

government down. >> and we will threaten a government shutdown. >> that's not the goal here. >> unless we repeal the affordable care act. >> what does the motion look like? >> it's going to be a good deal. people will be asking what was the argument about? >> ted cruz and some of the tea party people, their object is not to win obamacare. >> they do not want the government to work on any level. any day that's a bad day for government is a cheering day for them. >> this is really a question that should be directed to mr. john boehner. >> this year is not going to be any different. ♪ here i go again on my own ♪ ♪ going down the only road i've ever known ♪ >> a familiar song to lead us into a familiar fight this fall. time for the latest act in republicans' delusional, illogical, farcical effort to defund the affordable care act this time with extra chaos. believe it or not, three years af