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them. they have put faith in their leaders to do what's right. >> let's go straight to nbc's luke russert. luke, we're watching that clock there. in about four or five minutes we expect the count to begin. is it expected to pass here shall as many have said? >> reporter: yeah, it should pass. this is something that the house gop leadership, richard, has whipped quite extensively. there are a few republicans who are uncomfortable with this because they subscribe to that idea really that has sort of taken hold of republicans in the senate, the more moderate ones that this is a charade, the law will never be repealed or defunded completely but is a waste of time but expect universal democratic opposition. perhaps a few republicans will join this. this should give the republican leadership a victory in the sense of getting some type of continuing resolution to fund the government out of the house. we thought this would be unheard of a few months ago that they would go forward and try to defund the president's health care law. a lot of leadership aides said it was a stupid idea. now it's the principal strategy
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and you're seeing it play out on the house floor in just a few minutes, richard. >> luke, talk about this potential shutdown. what would it look like? many have said it will be worse than what happened during the clinton era. >> reporter: we're sort of seeing now this i like to call terror america, fear of a government shutdown possibly happening. aides on both sides say they don't want that, they don't foresee that. but it really would be striking what would happen. under the clinton administration there were some appropriations bills already passed. this congress hasn't passed the appropriations bills to the level that the clinton administration did. meaning more people wolf the pain. let's look at a few graphics about what exactly would stop right away. you -- payments to military members would stop. veterans services, there would be a backlog. parks and national monuments would be inaccessible. so if you want to come to d.c. to see the giant panda, you couldn't accomplish that task. what would continue is pay to
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most members of congress and essential staff. also social security payments would not be impacted at all and the implementation of the president's health care law would also continue. we should also say the military pay, that would come later, but you could conceivably have a dysfunctional d.c. congress where the government is shut down with young men and women overseas giving their blood, sweat and tears for this democracy, not getting their immediate payment. so that is something that i think the optics worry a lot of members on capitol hill. >> you and i were up january 1st, 2013, at midnight. >> what a night that was. >> is this what's going to happen again? >> reporter: i think that what you're going to see here is some sort of ping-pong between the house and senate. i think they'll keep their powder dry on the government funding issue. the debt limit, richard, middle of october, that's where you and i could be seeing each other at 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning and wondering what happens. >> luke russert as always, go see that panda right now while you can.
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appreciate it. joining us now is republican congressman luke messer of indiana. he's a member of the budget committee. congressman, thanks for being here. you know, you've seen the math, you've done the math and all the math shows here that it's basically dead on arrival in the senate. all the math also showing you and others who want to defund and put that language into the bill here will be at the cause of the failure of this bill moving forward. this doesn't help you. i mean what do you get out of it? >> listen, i heard a lot of talk out of the other luke about a government shutdown. nobody wants a government shutdown. the bill weir about to pass today is a bill that will keep government open and protect the american people from obama care. obama care is not popular. and the president frankly is losing support within his own party. unions are now speaking out against the need for major changes. we believe we have an opportunity here to both fund government and protect the american people from obama care. >> congressman, you were also say defund the government if obama -- or defund obama care.
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if you don't do that, you will close the government. you will shut down the government. so you're not getting much out of this because it's not going to pass in the senate. when it comes back to the house, are you going to say no again? >> listen, this president has drawn some red lines over the last month that he's not kept. i know there's a lot of bravado out of this administration right now but obama care is not popular. the bill we pass today doesn't shut government down, it keeps government open. it funds the rest of government and says we're not going to fund obama care. >> you tweeted that you applauded republican leadership for scheduling this vote today on a friday, just about to start in three or four minutes, but not everybody is very happy with senator ted cruz who's been leading this charge. here's what your colleague, peter king, had to say just this morning. >> something we have to do. it's a step in the right direction and hopefully it will be a major step in letting people know that ted cruz is a fraud and he'll no longer have any influence in the republican party. >> he's a fraud.
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that's what representative king said. do you want senator cruz or others to filibuster, even though you don't have the votes? >> listen, both senator cruz and representative king are big personalities, so i wasn't get in the middle of that. i will just say this. this is now the senate's opportunity to lead. it is fair to say that senator cruz, senator lee, senator rubio and others have asked for this opportunity and now they will have it. they will have their opportunity to stand strong in the senate, make the case to the american people and continue this effort. the end goal is to make sure that obama -- >> do you want senate republicans to push forward with the filibuster? >> listen, i'm not a senator. i'm going to leave those options to them. >> does speaker boehner want them to do more? >> i think what you'll hear in chorus out of our caucus is that it is now the senate's turn to lead. they have asked for that opportunity. the house republicans have come together and now they have it. they are the dog that caught the car. they can go to work with it.
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>> so it goes to the senate. it comes back to you. it comes back in two parts. one is for the cr. the other part is for the defunding of obama care. would you support that after it has failed in the senate? >> listen, that's -- it's hard to predict what may come back from the senate. we've not seen any plan for the senate. so i'm not going to guess at what might come back. >> okay. >> i think we have an opportunity here to keep government open and to stop obama care's troubles for the american people. >> all right, thank you so much, congressman luke messer. i know you'll get down to the floor and get a vote out there this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you. joining us now for our agenda panhandle, viviana, bill, the executive editor of liberal owe cases.com and james peterson is an msnbc contributor and director of africana studies at lehigh university. starting with you, bill, it appears to be a game of chicken, right? but this game of chicken is within the gop, not between the
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gop and the democrats. the speaker saying, hey, you know, you're holding me hostage of the defund language. i'll give it to you, okay, tea partiers, but when it fails, as i have just been talking about with the congressman, don't they fail too? does he save face, though, as the tea partiers fail in this exercise? >> that's the big question, what happens next. no one believes this has a prayer in the senate. no one believes republicans can successfully filibuster it in the senate. you have the congressman on just before saying the senate asked for this. no, ted cruz asked for this. he is not the voice of the entire senate republican caucus. he could not get a unified republican support for this proposal. so it's not going to get filibustered in the senate. the ball will get kicked back to boehner and he's going to have to decide is he going to allow shutdown to proceed or eventually accept reality and put a proposal on the floor that can get bipartisan support even
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if it upsets the tea party. >> james, do you see him here then, the speaker, going after democrats to work with him to try to get something passed, and will the democrats come long and for what price? >> you know, that might be one interesting strategy here. i mean i just feel like the republicans are confusing electoral politics. the fact that ted cruz was able to use this as a political platform moment and for them to come to this dead end is one consequence of that state of confusion. so i think boehner will have to make some decisions about whether he values his tentative agreement with the tea party caucus versus his own speakership and the broader republican party in this particular moment. i think the congressman is right and luke was right as well that we'll see this play out in a more spectacular fashion around the budget talks and the debt ceiling. >> viviana, we're watching there the house floor.
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we see the time remaining on that procedural vote down to zero. what's next is the cr which includes the defund language. we also heard from the congressmen, they're moving forward with this. whether or not there is a bad after-effect regardless of damage to the brand, will this damage be realized in 2016, especially when we're looking at a group, latino americans, who are watching obama care very, very closely. >> they are, richard. the reason is that latinos are the largest number of uninsured in the country so this is a group that is particularly supportive of this action. this is the thing, right now the best thing that democrats or president obama can do is exactly what her doing right now, which is just let the gop -- just let everything explode. let them fight it out to the finish. the problem of course is what happened afterwards, whether it's 2014 or 2016. does the party re-emerge with some kind of a more centrist
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platform that rein vig rates it and makes the party more agreeable to young voters and women. >> this is not good messaging for a group watching both of these issues very closely. >> it's really not. we know that the chairman has been out certainly with at least two reports that are autopsies of what the republican party has to do to do more outreach. they have been out there trying to develop some kind of directorships and leadership for a ground game. but the problem is, that messaging that's happening right now with these votes, with these ads that are out there about obama care, there is no solution. there's a lot of no, there's a lot of defund obama care, but there really isn't real solutions that's going to be appealing to a larger group, a larger swath of the american electorate. >> there's also these ads, let me throw another log onto the fire here. they're coming from the right wing that equate obama care and
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rape, aimed at scaring some young folks out of opting into paum care. we should warn you that they're controversial for a reason. then we'll get some feedback from our panel. take a look. >> let's have a look. >> all right. there is also one for the guys. take a look at this. >> all right. now, there was a statement released in response to the ad saying they, quote, not only
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defile our american mascot but disturbingly compared the aca to sexual assault. this ad will only further alienate women. now, i want to get the view here, first, from bill and then viviana i want to get yours. bill. >> it's just sad. this is coming from i believe the koch brothers, right wing funded operation, trying to present a disingenuous message to young people to get them to not access the benefits that they legally deserve. so they will have better health care. and it comes from a place of -- if you want two old people to try to speak to young people, this is the kind of ad you would get. this is not the kind of ad that will resonate with the younger generation. they can't accept that they just lost this one. they lost the obama care fight. they lost at the ballot box, in congress, in the supreme court and at the ballot box again. if they can't move on and come up with a positive agenda, they're not going to get very
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far. >> quickly to viviana. >> this ad is all kinds of wrong. i think what's really sad about this for the gop is that there really are some great ideas in the gop about how to make the health care, the affordable health care act better. for example, allow competition between states. consumers to buy, for example, from california in rhode island, to make it cheaper, to make it better for consumers. you're not hearing those smart ideas. you're just getting stuck in this kinds of a distraction of an ad that is incredibly offensive not just to women but really it should be to all americans. >> james, any upside to this? >> there's no upside to these kinds of ads. we just need to remind republicans, remind the american people that essentially the affordable care act already has what viviana was talking about already has republican ideas in it. people just need to recalibrate their sense about what affordable care act is. it's here to stay. we can sabotage it or make it work. >> thank you so much, james,
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viviana as well as bill. appreciate your perspectives. >> thank you. >> you can find more from our panel on our website, tv.msnbc.com. follow the think to thomas roberts. the conversation is not over. we'll talk to democratic congressman john yarmuth of kentucky about how some democrats may be voting for the cr that is up for vote right now. while the shutdown showdown unfolds on capitol hill, president obama is about to land in missouri to give a speech on the economy. he'll tour a ford plant and make remarks to employees just before 1:00 eastern time. the white house says president obama will highlight the progress made since the financial collapse five years ago. a 3-year-old boy is in critical condition after a horrific night of violence in chicago. 11 shooting incidents. 22 people hurt and two killed in a matter of hours. we're live with an update. plus pope francis rocking the church with new comments about huge issues like abortion and gay marriage. is the church on the cusp of major change? that leads us to our question of
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developing now, a live look at the house floor. house members voting on a bill that would defund obama care while funding the government. congress has until october the 1st to come to a deal or the government shuts down. we'll continue to watch these numbers. if this is the vote for the cr that also includes the defundsing of obama care, we've hit that number of 217. do we know? this is the vote. so 223, this has passed with the numbers in front of us.
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they needed 217. one democrat moving along with this vote. again, the continuing resolution that also includes the defunding of obama care. it will now go over to the senate where it is expected not to pass certainly. we'll be watching that. >> this right here, got me standing out. i'm on my corner every day until the violence stop because it has to stop. >> that was the grandmother of a 3-year-old boy who was one of 13 people shot last night in chicago. less than a week ago the boy's uncle, her son, was also shot and killed. deaunte howard was shot in the jaw. he's in critical condition under heavy sedation and will need reconstructive surgery. those 13 people were shot at a basketball game in a park on the chicago south side. the other victims range in age from 15 to 41. >> man, i think it was like an
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ak, man. it was a lot of shots, man, like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. i'd say there was seven or eight people laying down but they got the kid first. >> john yang joins us from chicago. john, in the span of just a few hours last night, there were nearly a dozen shootings in chicago. >> that's right, richard, a very violent night in chicago. 11 separate incidents, 22 people wounded, 2 people dead. the biggest single incident was at that south side park at about 10:15 last night in a group of people were playing basketball. witnesses say that a car circled the park, started -- two people inside started firing. they got out of the car, continued firing. 13 people wounded there, including a 3-year-old boy who is expected to recover. all the other wounded were relatively minor wounds and all expected to recover, none of them life threatening. the mayor of chicago, rahm emanuel, was in washington at
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the time. he actually was on his way to new jersey for a political event for cory booker. he cancelled his day in washington and is flying back to chicago. he issued a statement in which he said senseless and brazen acts of violence have no place in chicago and betray all that we stand for. we are also expecting to hear within the hour from the police commissioner, gary mccarthy, of chicago. they are fighting a perception battle, because on the one hand they have statistics that show that crime is down from last year. last year a record year or near record year for chicago. but shootings are down about 22%, murders are down about the same amount from last year and actually homicides, not just down from a record high, but homicides are on their way to the lowest level since 1965. and yet we have nights like this occasionally in chicago. it fights -- it's a perception
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battle that they're fighting and that they are really trying to get -- as they try to get their hands on the violence problem. richard? >> nbc's john yang in chicago. thank you so much, john. i also want to take you back to the house floor. again reporting for you this hour as we look at the post-vote discussion as well as what they are going through at the moment, we saw just around 11:17 a.m. local time that the vote began. it passed right about four minutes after that. 230 votes at least in the yea column, at least one democrat when we were last looking at the numbers. so again, they have voted with a continuing resolution to move forward as well as the defunding of obama care, to move forward. that bill will go forward to the senate, which will now consider and most likely vote that down and send it back to the house. we'll continue to follow that. stay with us right here on msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ turn around
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in the bill that has just passed it includes the funding of the government at $986 billion until december 15th. basically ten days before christmas. it includes a provision that would defund obama care, as i just mentioned. it also includes the full faith and credit act, which was introduced by representative mcclintock from california, which would allow the treasury to make timely payments as was needed. now, this will now go to the senate where it will surely fail. at that point the question is what will be sent back to the house to take a look at what will be able to move forward. now, we're going to bring in a democratic congressman shortly to get his response on this vote that just had happened moments ago. about five minutes ago in terms of what might be the next step. that's representative yarmuth, who will join us very shortly of the and when they begin their comments there at the republican rally, we'll also take you to that. stay with us right here on msnbc, the place for politics. o, more is better.
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straight to capitol hill. as we are looking at comments coming from republicans, this after the continues resolution has passed, which included the defunding of obama care, 230-189 here. this is developing right now as we listen to -- let's get right to -- let's take a listen. >> since 2009, and we have said over and over again, this law is going to increase the cost for the working middle class families of this country and we're now seeing it. we've said from the beginning that this law will harm our economy, and we're seeing our economy turn from a full-time job economy into a part-time job economy. that's why we are doing our job and now it is up to senate democrats to show some responsibility and follow the house's lead. you know, many senate republicans have promised to leave no stone unturned fighting
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this bill, and all of us here support that effort. we're calling on senate democrats to do the same thing. and i want to know where senator pryor stands on protecting the middle class. from the consequences of this horrific bill. earlier this summer, a nonprofit group in ft. smith, arkansas, that provides care for seniors announced that they are cutting hours for hundreds of staff members to 20 hours -- 28 hours a week. how about kay hagan in north carolina? does she understand the consequences that obama care is having in her state? >> no. >> a grocery store, the president had said it's not feasible or sustainable to extend coverage for all of the 1100 employees that he has. he too may have to cut hours for much of his workforce.
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what about mary landrieu of louisiana. obama care is also hurting her hard-working taxpayers in that state. in july, lawrence katz, owner of dot's diner, told the senator in a committee hearing that he may have to layoff as many as 16 workers. and these are working middle class americans just trying to make ends meet. and finally, what about mark begits of alaska. through obama care, americans across the country could be hit with a rate shock. in alaska it's predicted that premiums could raise between 30% and 80%. what is senator begits going to do about this? will he vote to keep obama care in place? we're into the fight and we want the senate to join us. [ applause ]
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>> while we have victory today for the american people, and frankly we also had a victory for common sense. senator baccus said it right a few months ago when he said this law is a train wreck, and it is a train wreck. the president said if we pass this law, health care costs will go down. well, now we find out that health care costs are going up for most americans. the president said if you like the health insurance policy that you have, you can keep it. well, we found out that's not quite accurate either. in the coming months, millions of americans will find out it's just not quite true. listen, this is hurting our constituents, it's hurting the american people. at a time when the economy is barely eking along, wages aren't increasing, new jobs aren't available, and what are we
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doing? we're putting more cost and more inconvenience on the american people. it's time for us to say no. it's time to stop this before it causes any more damage to american families and american businesses. you've got businesses all over the country who are not hiring because of the impact of this law. you've got other businesses that are reducing the hours for their employees because of this law. and so our message to the united states senate is real simple. the american people don't want the government shut down and they don't want obama care. [ applause ] the house has listened to the american people. now it's time for the united states senate to listen to them
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as well. thank you. >> all right. speaker john boehner. that at the republican rally that happened right after that vote that occurred 15 minutes ago on the continuing resolution which included the defunding of obama care. the vote there again at 230-189. i want to bring in casey hunt. so, casey, we expected this to happen this way, that it would go the way the speaker wanted it to. but now it goes over to the senate. the question is will we get a filibuster? >> well, at this point they're trying to blame the senate. that's where the house has sort of taken its lumps, especially the house leadership. they're saying, okay, look, we signed up, we did this and now it's your turn. there's a considerable amount of anger at senator ted cruz who has been one of the leading agitators of this. cruz and at a press conference
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yesterday to laud them. but now will cruz mount a filibuster? there's some question about whether or not he can because of the senate rules about how you handle a budget resolution like this one. but he has pledged to use any and all procedural means that he has available. you also saw republicans there trying to hang this on senate democrats, particularly some of those who are vulnerable potentially in the upcoming midterms in 2014. >> right. >> you saw them name mark pryor, who's down in arkansas running against congressman tom cotton, who is one of the more conservative voices in the house, mary landrieu in louisiana. but on the whole, harry reid has said repeatedly, and we never have any reason to doubt him when he does say this, that he has the votes. and this defund obama care project is not going to go through the senate and they're in fact going to send a bill back to the house at the end of next week that doesn't defund the president's health care plan. >> this is the focus of 2014 as all of these members want to get re-elected. casey hunt, thank you so much for that. i want to bring in democratic
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congressman john yarmuth from kentucky. he joins us right now. congressman, it's going to come back to the house again. after the senate says basically no, we don't like it, it will come back to the speaker. the speaker will then perhaps reach out to you and say help me get the votes so i can pass something through. what are you going to ask from him? what do you want from him in order to support what he might do? >> what we'd like to have is more reasonable spending levels. the levels we'll be voting on decimate many programs across our districts. as we know from sequestration, docking military pay, killing headstart programs and meals on wheels programs. so we're going to ask for a higher level of spending to more adequately fund these very vital programs. >> there's also the president. he's going to be holding a meeting with hill leaders next week we are hearing. in the past these sort of
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high-level meetings haven't borne too much fruit. might you expect something from that meeting or is it better that the president lay low on this? >> well, i think, you know, the tendency is to just kind of sit back and watch the republicans cannibalize each other. i think that would be irresponsible. i think the president ought to become engaged. my senator, mitch mcconnell, is in the middle of a very difficult political situation. so one of the people who could actually help negotiate a resolution to this impasse is kind of on the sidelines because of his own political situation. but i think the president ought to be engaged. >> one democrat did vote -- two democrats voted yes for the continuing resolution that just passed. what might be driving them? >> well, i think some people, i don't know who the two were, but it might have been that the spending levels in the cr that we just voted on were too low. it might have been a couple people who actually are sensitive to the affordable care
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act, don't support it. again, i don't know which two they were. but two out of 201 of us is not a very significant factor. >> congressman, we've seen some 40 votes to defund obama care happen so far. is it going to be that intractable here with the continuing resolution, the budget going forward, that they will not move off of center here or what's center for them? >> well, you know the definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. so 41 times they did it. they litigated it when it was debated initially. they litigated it during the presidential campaign last year and lost. 41 votes this year. you know, it's time to just stop this and understand that they're not going to be successful. >> will it stop based on what you said? 41 times? >> well, right now the first 41 times were abusive to the system and the process. this one has the potential of being abusive to the country if it results in shutting down the
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government. if they try it again in the debate over the debt ceiling, they will really damage the country and possibly the world economy. i think the american people will tell them it's time to stop this when they're actually holding hostage the very operation of our government. >> what speaker boehner did over the last ten days, as you have watched, he's come through with a solution for himself, if you will. basically saying, okay, tea partiers, i'm giving you what you will. it will fail and you will learn a lesson. you are saying they will not learn a lesson. so does it save the speaker, does it save face for him here? >> you know, we had a meeting about another subject yesterday and one of our members, our leadership made a very important comment. he said at some point speaker boehner is going to decide that he doesn't want this job anymore and then we'll get a break in this log jam. this particular leader said he thinks that boehner is close to that. i wouldn't blame him a bit if he just said i'm going to cut you 40 ideologues loose, i have a
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responsibility to the country. i don't care if i have this job anymore. it's not very much fun anyway. >> how close are you saying? >> i think if we get to the debt ceiling vote and risk the defaulting on our obligations as a country and risk the full faith and credit of the united states, i think that's the time when you put the nation first and you say this job is not worth it. >> that's when big business comes in and says, hey, this really does count in some practical ways. not that this does not. thank you, congressman john yarmuth for your commentary today and your perspective. again, we are just learning within the last 22 minutes as we were watching the house floor, the vote passing the continuing resolution that will defund obama care. that passed 230-189. we'll continue to watch the reaction coming out of the beltway as well as other news when we return here on msnbc. wisest kid in the whole world?
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interview with the jesuit magazine called "america." the pontiff said the church cannot become obsessed with issues such as abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptives. the pope added, quote, we have to find a new balance. 30 years ago vanessa williams made the beauty pageant history by becoming the first african-american to win the title. now a new beauty queen is making history of her own. like vanessa williams, she is coming face to face with racism. on sunday nina davuluri became the first woman of indian descent to win the title. some said the new york native was not american. others accused her of having ties to terrorist groups. joining me now is miss america, nina davuluri. go blue, i know you're a michigan grad. >> yes. >> i know you've widely said let's not pay attention to those comments and you've been very unafraid of expressing your heritage, your asian descent, and another one of the
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runner-ups was also asian-american. how does that cut both ways for you as you've gone through our pageantry career. >> when i went into this i had a vision for the miss america organization because the brand of miss america has always been known as the girl next door. but the girl next door is evolving as the diversity in america evolves. i've been promoting my platform, celebrating diversity through cultural competency for three years now. to finally have a larger microphone to speak about it has been a wonderful opportunity. >> as part of that you reached out to vanessa williams. you sat down and got to speak with her. >> i did. >> what did you talk about, any advice you will carry forward? >> it's so sad. well, first of all, it's ironic because she was a former miss syracuse, which was my local title. i was miss syracuse. we both went on to win miss new york and miss america. but she 30 years ago received a very similar response and it just goes to show that, yes, we've definitely evolved as a
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country but how much further we have to go. and so she did offer advice and she was so genuine and so -- you know, she was just so personable and offered me -- she was like call me any time you want. that was very helpful. >> she remains inspirational to so many people, as you are too now. we talked about you going to michigan. you majored in brain science, i think. you want to become a cardiologist. you are an asian-american but are much more than that as well. talk about that. >> i've always viewed myself as first and foremost american. of course i have by indian background and culture and heritage and i'm proud of it but i'm living the american dream right now because i definitely -- that's what i really want to encourage this year is that regardless of your race, your socioeconomic status, that anyone can not only become miss america but anything they want. and that's the ideals that this country was founded on. >> and so you want to become a cardiologist and then what's next? these are not necessarily easy things to do. >> i'm not sure if i'm going to become a cardiologist
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specifically. >> not tomorrow? >> not tomorrow. >> we'll wait. >> keeping the options open. >> but during the contest, you brought awareness to bulimia. you talked about that in the past. you talked about how you lost a large amount of weight in a short amount of time. how is that going to be part of what you do going forward. >> the health and life style has always been a part of miss america and losing weight was a challenge in myself but i'm more proud of maintaining the weight and keeping it off. i've learned how to stay balanced not only physically, but mentally, emotionally, and spiritually as well. so that's a message i'll be promoting as well. >> your family must be so proud. miss america, nina davuluri. we will beat connecticut, uconn on saturday. >> yes, we will. appreciate your time today. our go and do, our friday feature focusing on an individual or organization improving the lives of others. this guy is known as the san diego highway man or the highway
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angel. for almost 50 years thomas weller has been a light at the end of the tunnel for stranded motorists. with his dog, sheila, riding in the passenger seat of his old car, weller has been driving along san diego driving along san diego highways helping stranded motorists throughout the years. he doesn't charge anyone for his services but only asks they pay it forward. what's his motivation, he's been there himself. joining me now is thomas weller. thomas, what a great story. take us back to that time that really drives you to do what you do today. >> well, i got off the road in a blizzard in illinois, 1964. i was assisted by the only guy that came through hours later. i could have froze to death there and a fella pulled me out. when i tried for pay him. i did say thank you, but i was just a 16-year-old. i hadn't thought about the fact he had saved my life.
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he wouldn't accept my money. he said, you pass it on. help others when you k that's what i've been doing every since i realized what he had done for me. i grew up a little bit a couple years later and that was my revelation. so i'm passing it on. one of my favorite sayings is it's one of the most beautiful things of this life you can't help another without helping yourself in the bargain. >> any estimate in terms of how many people you've helped? do you think you've also done what that good samaritan did to you, create more good samaritans. >> it's been over 10,000 folks i've helped. >> 10,000? >> 10,000, yes. i've had the privilege of seeing some of them help others in return. >> what are some of the
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individuals that you've inspired that sticks out to you? >> well, i passed -- i was riding with my brother in his car to go get my son's truck from a chevy dealer. my brother doesn't do what i do, so i didn't have any equipment in the car. we passed several people that were broke down, and i got twinges for passing them when i couldn't help them but i filed it away in my memory bank this one young gal had a flat tire. when i came back with my son's truck, she was still there. so i passed her by, went home, got my rescue rig, my dog, went back for a third time and she was still there. now there was a van behind her and a fella about my age attempting to change the tire for her. when i pulled up he was jumping on the one-armed lug wrench trying to get the lug wrench loose. tie out my four-way wrench and
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handed it to him. he hadn't noticed the spare was flat. he allowed as to how he had passed her by and thought about it and came back and helped her because somebody had helped his wife four months earlier with a blowout on the freeway. he said to me, thank you for helping my wife. >> that was you. you had helped his wife. >> that was me. >> that's like fourth generation help from that good samaritan you met as a 16-year-old. you talked about how sheila is in the car with you. we mentioned that in the introduction. talk about how you and sheila work together, your dog. >> she's very intuitive. she protected me three times in incidents with nefarious people. she's very sensitive. she doesn't like loud voices and she can sense when there's good or bad in people. most people can approach her, no trouble. but those three incidents, they
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were -- have you ever had the term viking berserk? >> yeah. >> that's what she did, she went viking berserk on three individuals. i chose to stay away from them myself. >> what were they doing? tell me one of those stories? >> i was helping someone on the side of the road in the daytime and an individual came up from the bushes inside the car and approached the car. she just went crazy. so i was just done with helping the person anyway, so i just accelerated out of there based on her reaction to the person approaching us. >> has that slowed down your drive to go out and try to help people? >> oh, no. i've had a couple of serious incidents over the years, but luckily i've been prepared enough to take care of them. >> right. and you've got a very unique car, my friend. talk about that. it looks kind of like the car
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from ghost busters. >> people pull up beside me at stoplights and say who are you going to call? >> it used to be i would explain it was a ford or mercury, because i have two of them and the ghost buster's car was a cadillac am ambulance but i don't do any explaining anymore. i just, all right, who are you going to call? i roll with it. >> we're going to call thomas weller and she'll ark the dynamic duo on the roads there in california. thank you so much thomas weller. so inspirational. to recap our top story we're following on msnbc today. we are looking at the vote that happened on the house floor, 230-189, only one gop congressman voting no. scott ridgell from virginia, the only individual who said no to that continuing resolution that defunds obama care. so many angles and after effects
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to this vote, now going forward to senate. we will look at all the ramifications coming up in this hour. two democrats voting yes as well. all that is going to be talked about in the coming hour. stay with us for "now" with alex wagner, which is up next. [ female announcer ] your smile... every day you stain it... ♪ ...and stain it... and stain it. so every day, use crest 3d white toothpaste to remove up to 90% of surface stains in just 5 days. no wonder crest 3d white is the number one whitening brand. after all, every day counts. life opens up when you do. and now, crest 3d white has a sensitive side.
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eddededed eddedededed. there's nothing like a government shutdown to clarify just how interested a political party is in actual governance. it's friday september 20th and this is "now." the revolt in full swing as president obama goes to kansas city to make his case for stewardship of the economy house republicans voted on a bill just minutes ago that aims very precisely to destabilize it.
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in a near party line vote the house passed a continuing resolution that will shut down the government unless the nation's health care law is defunded. >> while we have a victory for the american people, frankly we also had a victory for common sense. >> common sense. the bill has no chance of passing but it does threaten to split the republican party in half, republicans who have made peace with math and republicans who have not. in the latter group eric cantor and kevin mccarthy are trying to convince the math hating members of their own party that somehow the senate might be able to pass the house bill? >> we should pass this continuing resolution so the senate can finally begin to do the same. >> of the many gop
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