in a near party line vote the house passed a continuing resolution that will shut down the government unless the nation's health care law is defunded. >> while we have a victory for the american people, frankly we also had a victory for common sense. >> common sense. the bill has no chance of passing but it does threaten to split the republican party in half, republicans who have made peace with math and republicans who have not. in the latter group eric cantor and kevin mccarthy are trying to convince the math hating members of their own party that somehow the senate might be able to pass the house bill? >> we should pass this continuing resolution so the senate can finally begin to do the same. >> of the many gop frustrations,

the economic clamt currently threatened to defund a law is weakening ability to threaten more economic calamity in just a few weeks, like eating desert before desert or shooting the hostage before the ransom note has even been sent. as paul ryan told the wookies, we have to stay on the right side of public opinion. shutting down the government puts us on the wrong side. the fight is on the debt limit. debt limit. in a season of overestimation, irresponsibility and fallacy, it is perhaps the grand old promises on the debt ceiling that truly take the date. quote, in exchange for a debt ceiling increase, cantor told his colleagues, the gop will issue a litany of demeadowlands, one-year delay of obama care, anti-regulatory bill calls reines act and other spending reforms. jonathan writes, "can you

picture cantor, boehner, paul ryan encircled by wide eyed republican members excitedly asking, and will be there be food stamp cuts and guns? and gop leaders telling them oh, yes, food stamps will be snatched away from the lazy 47%ers and there will be a rifle in every school room. joining me today "washington post" columnist gene robinson, washington bureau chief at the "huffington post" ryan grim and host of nbc's disrupt, karen finney. joining me from washington the man with the gimlet eye whose article in the latest issue is entitled "the plot to kill obama care. jonathan, i thought that was the perfect scene you painted for us. dilution after dilution after dilution ending with the most heartbreaking dilution of them all. somehow the debt ceiling will be the answer to all these self-created republican problems. >> exactly. that's really the frightening thing. the house leadership's plan is to escape the shut down.

shutting down the government is bad and politically dangerous but breaching the debt ceiling is more economically dangerous. it doesn't poll badly the way a shutdown does. the effects of it are potentially catastrophic. we don't know how serious because it never happened before. the fact it never happened before is part of what makes it so terrifying. they seem to be escaping the somewhat large problem running right into the enormous problem. >> eugene, we just played the sound of the reaction which was cheering to a bill that is going to go nowhere and perpetuates a fantasy. what's going on? >> that's some parallel reality in a universe far away, long ago. >> happens to be the republican party. >> you know, the original plan was a bad plan, right? we won't have the crisis now, we'll have it on the debt ceiling. that was a bad plan to begin with. now we're going to have two

crises? >> that is the question, right? is this going to be a two-fold crisis, are they going to shut down the government for an unspecified period of time and then try to litigate the debt ceiling as well. >> i don't think they will. the wheels have come off whatever strategy they did v the infighting between ted cruz and the senate and the house tea party means boehner and cantor don't have to worry about the tea party as much, they can direct all the anger to ted cruz. >> what you saw, and we didn't have time to play all this, what kevin mccarthy and they were proposing in the victory lap, if you can call it that, it's now incumbent on senate democrats to take up this defund bill as if it's somehow a show of their own fiscal responsibility and appeal to the people in their red

states. >> probably mitch mcconnell said, don't name me because i've got a tea party challenger. i'm not going to be able to work on this. think about it. think about it for one mom. today is a complete waste of time and money. if you are an american sitting back in kansas city and you're wondering about job creation or your child is currently covered under obama care. now you're hearing, wait, they are going to shut down the government so they can take away health care from my kid but they are spending their day doing nothing. it's immoral what we're seeing right now. particularly, as we know, it's going to the senate. the senate is going to send something back that doesn't have what they want and chaos all over again. >> that's the question, jonathan, the chaos, sort of what happens when the inevitable happens, the senate does what it's going to do, strip out the shutdown piece of this, the defund piece of this.

whether or not there's anything boehner can offer to his caucus that would placate them and get them to not shut down the government. i think that's pretty much a huge question mark. >> that's true. i think they are okay with it. they certainly want to. there is a large element of fear going on here. they are passing it onto the senate so they can show the senate was the one that forced the government to stay open. they do, at least the leaders in the house do want to keep the government open. the problem i was saying at the piece you quoted at the outset. they are getting their party to go along by keeping open the government by saying the debt ceiling is where we're going to have all our dreams come true. >> that is what boehner can offer them, right? when it comes back from the senate without defund obama care part, can he say, you know, it really is a bad idea. everybody is blaming us -- >> lets do this again. lets go ahead and fund the government through december and we'll really have the fight over

the debt ceiling. >> eugene, wrote -- you wrote about the debt ceiling. we could talk about it for weeks. we will be doing it for weeks. what you and jonathan have written about what the president should not do, set a precedent and negotiate. obama is by nature a reasonable and flexible man. this time he may not yield. >> this is no way to run a country. i lived in banana repubs better run than this. you can't allow extortion to be the means by which the united states of america runs its business. this is the law of the land. think of all the time and effort and money that has been spent just on a practical level by insurance companies, by health

care providers, by hospital, by everybody preparing for obama care, because, guess what, it's happening. on the most practical level, it's insane. >> even if it isn't obama care they end up litigating, if it's social security, cpi, it then sets this precedent that, okay, every time we need to pass a continuing resolution or deal with the debt ceiling, that's going to be leverage to negotiate very strict terms of agreement. >> the president set himself up for this in 2011 by using the debt ceiling as an opportunity to negotiate what he hoped to get, a grand bargain at this time. it's coming back to bite him. he does bear responsibility. since then he said, you know what, that's a bad idea. >> my bad. >> also he did -- lets remember why we're talking about continuing resolution, we can't get a deal on the budget. why can't we get a deal on the budget, the two houses won't come together and have a conference committee and talk

about what was passed in the house, the senate. >> the senate will, the house won't. >> originally one of their ideas was we won't unless we attach promises we're not going to raise the debt ceiling. it's pure lunacy. >> to the next step of this lunacy, this stepped up for senate and talking about a filibuster. arcane rules to avoid, side step the filibuster entirely. so ted cruz continues to be a sort of speaking from the sidelines and encouraging his fellow republican marathoners to run off the cliff but doesn't have to do anything, pay any political price for that. is that accurateo do you think? >> yes, the house is furious, marco rubio and lee led them into a fight they couldn't win.

demonstrate to the conservative base the senate is the fault, the senate is the place where the barrier lies. there's a little game of hot potato, unrealistic promise of obamacare they created and can't deliver on and they want to pass the buck to each other so it doesn't stop with them. >> jonathan, lets paint -- there's so many disaster scenarios here. if there is a shutdown, the consequence of this include cdc stops monitoring for diseases, veterans aren't paid, national parks are closed. how that passed by without a lot of republican -- there was not a lot of consternation after sequester went into effect. i'm of the mind-set a government shutdown will hurt a lot more people across the board and will be much more painful for the republican party. at the same time the party is

hostage to this extreme fringe i'm not entirely sure boehner can even convince them how bad a shutdown actually is even if a shutdown is colonel taking place. >> the good news the harm is cumulative. a little harm one day, smaller amount the next day and on and on. with the debt ceiling it's a complete different story. that's a cliff. it doesn't get worse and worse and worse. you're fine. then the step that goesocity cliff, you're going all the way to the bottom. we don't know how bad if we default. it could be a global economic meltdown. that's way worse than a shutdown. i'm sort of repeating myself but that's like 1,000 times worse than a government shutdown. that's the fight the republicans want to seem to have. i'd much rather have a government shutdown. >> having lived through the clinton shutdown, i was furloughed because i was nonessential for one of them and essential for another one. it created such a bizarre

feeling. i agree the debt limit is far more consequential in terms of the bigger picture. but you know, you were in washington. if you were someone outside of washington trying to get something done, trying to get your passport, there was nothing. it just wasn't happening. the other thing is, what republicans forget is that, and i'm fin they forget this, i'm sorry we're going to have to go through the pain of this, it showed complete incompetence on part of the republican party. even that this is their strategy shows this is what republican governance looks like. if you want more republicans running this country. democrats need to be pushing that message in 2014. >> on that note, the president is at a ford plant in kansas city this afternoon to make his case for stewardship of the american economy and also to show america that the republicans are not even governing and are ruled by a fractious minority intent on destroying the. >> to put a fine point on it. but no, that happens to be the case. it sounds like being terribly

biased by saying it but that's the objective reality. the republican party cannot agree that there should be a government. >> right. >> that's kind of a problem. >> they are half of the government. >> there ought to be a government, at least a basic government. they don't necessarily believe that. >> ryan, do you think that was "air force one" just landing in kansas city, do you think the president has positioned himself well for the fight that is occurring and will only get more heated in the weeks to come? >> yeah, partly by accident. the republicans chose the worst possible position they could stake out. it has to do with their short-term thinking. they are running on the fumes of 2010. the worst ideas can get through. the idea you would tie the government shutdown or debt ceiling to obama care doesn't make sense. if you want to tie it to a debt deal, i don't agree with that, but hey, it makes intuitive sense. it's the debt ceiling, budget, spending, fine.

okay. lets have a conversation about that. obama care just makes them look silly. >> jonathan, before we let you go, nancy pelosi has said she doesn't know what to make of what is happening in the lower chamber of commerce. she said the closest she's seen in the service is when the house impeached clinton. i would say this takes the cake. do you think it ultimately comes back to nancy pelosi rallying her democrats to get something passed in the house? >> it's whether john boehner will let nancy pelosi come and rescue him. almost anything this needs to happen in washington happens that way. the problem is how many times can john boehner do this before ultraconservatives say we've had enough, we're throwing you out on your ear, will john boehner lay down his job to avoid the answer. these are questions we don't know the answer to. >> lay down, john boehner. jonathan chait has been generating writing about this at

rapid pacemaking everyone feel lazy. >> that's very kind. thank you. >> after the break, as world leaders descend on turtle bay, secretary of state john kerry delivers a tough message to members, move swiftly on syria. we will look at the clicking clock on chemical weapons. that's next on "now." [ female announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food.

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now the test. the security council must be prepared to act next week. >> secretary of state john kerry delivered a call to action yesterday hoping to keep plan to confiscate syria's weapons from

dying on the vine at the united nations. this morning syria submitted details of its chemical weapons stock to the watchdog group overseeing the disarmament. officials caution this is the initial report and expect syria to submit additional data. meantime security council is stymied. u.s., france, england hoped to pair it with a written resolution that would finalize details of disarmament. disputes with russia are delaying that process. russian foreign minister sergei laugh -- lavrov opposes. yesterday secretary kerry's frustration was on display. >> i would say to the community of nations, time is short. lets not spend time debating what we already know. instead we have to recognize that the world is watching to

see whether we can avert military action and achieve through peaceful means even more than what those military strikes promised. >> secretary kerry announced he had had a long conversation with sergey lavrov this morning and insists they will continue to work toward a firm and strong resolution. coming up, to many americans the term "mass shooting" conjures images of this week's tragedy at the washington navy yard. for others it's last night's blood shed in chicago. we will talk about the cycle of issuean violence. urban violence. has it's ups and downs.

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and killed on the south side. a separate neighborhood at the same time two men in their 20s were also shot. just 15 minutes later a 28-year-old man was shot in the stomach in englewood. in one shooting a gunman opened fire in a park where he shot 12 people including a 3-year-old boy. karen, it has not been a good week for violence in this country. it is really unfortunate and something we try to deal with on this show that we pay attention to gun violence when it's mass killing like at the navy yard. gun violence in inner cities and urban areas, that's where people are dying. >> the fact these two things happen in the same week give us a dramatic example of things we're talking about. we have seen mass shootings far more than we're comfortable with over the past years. we can't forget every single day in america people are dealing with gun violence. part of what i think this also reveals and we didn't get into last time we got into this

conversation and i hope we get to get into it when we get to talk about gun violence instead of crs. there's racial disparity how people feel about this, african-american, latinos understand there's a cycle of violence and crime that has to be dealt with, wayne lapierre has no idea what he's talking about when he says everybody needs more guns. >> you want answers to the stuff, right? it is hard to find answers to columbine and newtown and what happened at the navy yards. it is also hard to find answers to the cycle of poverty, the cycle of urban despair, the cycle of gun violence. these are systemic failures in society but nobody seems intent on addressing them now. >> in a sense it's kind of healthy that this can shock us, this sort of violence in chicago can shock us.

overall crime rates and murder rates are down really quite substantially. there's apparently a special circumstances in chicago where a druglord has seized monopoly control of the drug markets in chicago that set drug gangs fighting for the remnants, for what's left. and that apparently has increased some of the homicide violence we've been seeing in chicago and those numbers spiked. again, there is this sort of background noise and that's the way we often treat it of murders and other kind of shootings that for too long we don't really think about. >> i think it's like, i'm going to put on my tipper gore hat for a moment. there's a culture of violence

and weaponry. those two have combined to make a very dangerous climate for americans, especially living in urban areas. i will bring up the fact, ryan, this weekend we saw the release of grand theft auto 5, the same week 12 people were killed in the navy yard shooting. grand theft auto was released and i think made $800 million in sales, if someone in the control room can confirm that for me. that is not causal but there is something to that, that there is a predisposition towards violence. violent -- enthusiasm around violent entertainment, and then, of course, ready availability of weaponry. >> i think it's more a symptom of the culture of violence than it is the cause of it. you can't explain it without going back to the drug war and increasing militarization of policing and criminalization of

society. there are entire neighborhoods almost everyone is under control one way or the other of the criminal justice system. when you're in that system, whether you're 13 or 34 or 54, you can't vote. it's harder to get a job. your future is ripped away from you. the choices you're going to make are much different. these are quite often rational choices people are making because they are limited to so few options. >> we have to remember make of these kids, we did a piece on my show a while ago on this. when you talk to some kids, they have guns, that's how i keep my kids safe. we can't lose sight about the fact this is about a cycle that includes poverty and lack of opportunity. >> and hopelessness. >> and a sense, all right, if the two drug lords are fighting over it, as long as i've got my gun i'm going to be safe. that's no way to grow up. >> you're absolutely right it includes that. it also includes the ready

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at a time when 47 million americans are living in poverty and 49 million americans including nearly 17 million children are living in households that have trouble putting meals on the table, it is at this time that 217 republicans in the house of representatives voted for one of the largest cuts in the food stamp program in u.s. history. last night a bill to cut $40 billion in the food stamp program and impose work requirements on its recipients passed in the house in a party line vote. not a single democrat voted for the bill. "the new york times" called the vote another insult to the poor and said it could be seen only as an act of supreme indifference. the bill has no chance of passing the senate and white

house said it would be vetoed making it a monumental waste of time. monumental time wasting is par for the course in this congress. what nutrition reform and opportunity act represents is actually something monumental. a republican party that no longer even pretends to care about the struggles of the poor and working class but instead struggles to make life harder for them. at least a handful of republicans understood the gravity and what this signaled for the public. 15 members from the gop that voted against the bill was congressman joe young. these proposed cuts would result in approximately 10,000 alaskans losing s.n.a.p., that's food stamp support and harm food security for families. while i agree with many of my colleagues that we should continue to improve s.n.a.p. making such drastic reductions in funding is not the best way forward. joining us from capitol hill is democratic congressman from

massachusetts second district jim mcgovern. congressman, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> a lively day i'll say euphemistically, a live 24 hours on capitol hill. lets talk about s.n.a.p. cuts. i was, i guess, in some way heartened at least 15 republicans understood the fact this is a terrible, terrible bill. given the fact that of the 254 counties where food stamp recipients doubled in the last five years, mitt romney won 213 of them. to say this was not a problem that the republican electorate understands and feels is a dismissal of what is actually happening in the room. why is the republican party marching under this banner of slashing food stamps. >> that's a good question. i'm grateful for 15 republicans who voted their conscious and against this terrible bill. the rest of the republicans voted eric cantor's conscious unfortunately.

you're absolutely right. there's not a single congressional district in the country where there isn't a problem with hunger and where people are not utilizing food stamps. we're coming out of a terrible economy. hopefully it will be getting better soon if the republicans don't shut the government down. in the meantime we need to make sure people in this country have enough to eat. what was sad about the vote. ending hunger used to be a bipartisan issue. think of bob doll and mcgovern came together and strengthened the s.n.a.p. program, back then food stamps. there's a great bipartisan tradition here. the republicans yesterday blew all this up. this has become a very partisan issue from their point of view and it was a rotten thing to do to poor poem. >> ideological, if about cost-cutting what about farm subsidies. goa found recipients at 2300 farms had grown no crops at all for the past five years.

if you want to cut costs, why not take some of the fat from there. >> that's a good point. there are savings to be had in these excessive farm subsidies as well as crop insurance. we read every day about new examples of fraud and abuse. this is more than that. this is an ideological issue, i think, with the leadership in the republican party where they believe there should be no public sector, where government has no obligation to the most vulnerable in our country. think about this. if they get their way 3.8 million people will lose benefits. children, senior citizens. by the way, 170,000 veterans would lose their s.n.a.p. benefit. it just is a rotten, cruel, terrible thing to do and it was offensive. listening to the rhetoric on the house floor yesterday, the two things i realized was there was an incredible ignorance about the program. most guys have know idea what it

does, doesn't know the average benefit is $1.50 per meal per day. insensitivity. the way they diminish the struggle of poor people is just stunning to me. >> brian, we have talked about food stamps and this is cemented, this republican vote is the clearest expression that the 47% has wrapped its arms around the republican party in a strangle hold, takers versus makers. as the congressman points out, there's a complete lack of understanding about who is in food stamps. people on food stamps can't work because they are sick, disabled, have a child, an elderly person. they want to work. instead these laws are crafted in a punitive fashion to shame people who have already lost so much dignity by being out of work and struggling hard. >> it's the politics of ignorant resentment. they haven't thought it through. lets say somebody gets $200 a

month in food stamp benefits. that's $50 a week. they want people to work 20 hours a week for that. that's $2.50 an hour. they would never work for $2.50 an hour and no rational person would work for $2.50 an hour because there are many more useful things you can be doing with your time than giving it to the government for $2.50 an hour. i think dignity is the best word to put it. they don't recognize the fundamental dignity that every person in this country has and that's why they treat them with such disrespect. such a lack of interest in their actual lives. if they had an interest, they would not suggest that you go to some state work center for 20 hours a week for $2 an hour. feels like marie antoinette, let them eat cake, wlafr they want, peasants, unwashed masses. >> worse than that. they envision a bunch of lay

abouts, people who spend all day lounging on the couch and eating caviar they bought with -- i don't know, horded three years worth of food stamps and bought a tin of caviar. this is the image that comes to their mind. it's this weird fantasy they have. >> also it's such a slap in the face in terms of your ordinary every day working class americans. there's so much rhetoric around patriotism and this country and what makes it work. here it's such a devaluation of americans and american society and american work ethic. >> i think there's something more sinister going on here. you can't underestimate or devalue racial implications here. so much of the language that we hear, it's like the welfare queens. those takers, those people, what comes along with that are people of color. regardless of the fact most are white. it feels like the language --

waste, fraud and abuse. we've got to stop the waste, fraud and abuse. it's setting up something we saw with wide southern strategy last time which was to convince white voters to vote against self-interest because at least you're better than those people. i think that's more than insidious than they don't care, they don't understand. i think there's something far more nefarious going on here. >> congressman, i think one of the huge pieces of misinformation, more people on the food stamp roles because it's somehow easier on the s.n.a.p. program. if you track it, more people on the rolls because economy has worsened. we have a chart, increase in food stamps parallel increase in poverty. >> absolutely. the economic forecast predicts spending on food stamps will go down as the economy gets better. that line that somehow people want to be on food stamps like it's some sort of sweet deal to people is ridiculous. $1.50 per meal per day.

when you think about it, of all the people on food stamps who work, you can have two adults working in a family at minimum wage jobs and still not earn enough for the s.n.a.p. benefit. we have to talk about lifting people up, not putting people down. this is a fight worth having. this should not be a partisan fight. those of us who fought yesterday against these cutbacks, we need to regroup and come back. they are not going to give up. look, if government stands for anything, it ought to stand for the most vulnerable in this country. to cut a food program by $40 billion and tell 3.8 million people to hell with you is outrageous. it's a new low even for these guys. we're going to fight back, push back. >> i support you. don young made his share of controversial comments, on this issue at least he voted the

right way. did you have conversations with the 15 republicans that bucked the party politics and said we're going to stand up for people in america. >> i did. i voted for members who voted with us on this, republican members. i talked to republicans who were very uncomfortable with this vote. i kept urging them, vote your conscious, not eric cantor's conscious. thches not written in the agriculture committee, it was written in eric cantor's living room. i know a lot of rank and file republicans did not like to cast that vote yesterday. i'm disappointed more didn't stand up to their leadership and the people they represent. these are our neighbors. these are the people who we should be caring about and not treating with disrespect. >> massachusetts congressman jim mcgovern, thank you for voting with your conscious and thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> after the break, the cantaloupe king is at it again. congressman king who has used dogs and drug mules to describe imlegal immigrants has upped his

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first he compared illegal immigrants to dogs, then he accused them of being drug mules with cantaloupe sized calves. now he's accusing illegal immigrants of murder. last week he said a former immigration official told him the number of people killed by illegal immigrants in the u.s. is likely in multiples of victims of september 11th. eugene, it's hard to bundle so many -- that statement is so full of paranoia and fear and loathing. it's almost -- >> just insanity.

hate them. hate those people. hate those people. they are coming to kill you and rape your daughter. >> invoking september 11th? >> yes, right. >> brown people. brown people. hate brown people. >> brown people who are all going -- illegal immigrants are going to convert to become radical jihadist, some word from an expert after they drop their drugs. >> radical jihadists with cantaloupe-sized calves carrying drugs into the country before they come and kill your family. that's it. >> they are very busy. that's a lot going on. >> my father is from iowa. there are reasonable people in the midwest. is anything going to call steve king's bluff? >> people have been calling it. he's flirting with the end of his career at some point. michele bachmann is gone. she went too far and her district eventually made it

clear to her she should see herself out. >> that's a nice place like iowa is in the midwest. >> believe in the midwest. we're going to end on a positive note because there's been negativity and my audience, don't think i haven't noticed that. the new pope isn't like the old pope not even a little. pope francis criticized for putting dog ma before love and said the church had become obsessed with gay marriage, abortion and contraception. we have to find a new balance. the moral edifice. i was very heartened that an institution like that can have atity head saying we need to be more moderate and inclusive and accepting. >> lets get the pope over here with a speech, joint session of congress, walk them through, hey, s.n.a.p., not what i'm

talking about. b labrad labrador, no. >> people who claim to be christians. >> u.s. conference of catholic bishops came out and said paul ryan budget is not a catholic budget. i think it's actually really powerful to have voices from the religious side of things saying this is what we should be preaching. there's a really important message for the right to hear. >> religion encompasses the entire human condition. to be so narrowly focused on a couple of things is strange. i understand if you're a small nonprofit in washington, d.c. and all you focus on is abortion, fine. you're a global religion. come on. you can talk about some other things like life and death and the meaning of those things. >> and love. >> and food. >> and food. okay. this is still -- i think this still counts as a positive note, which is the new -- iran may or

may not be developing nuclear weapons, they may or may anoint syria, but one thing is clear iran is reaching out. in an op-ed his moderate president hassan rouhani tells american people we must work together. the op-ed -- >> where are we when the iranian president sounds more reasonable than the republican congress. >> and the pope -- >> rouhani for speaker, i don't know. >> diplomacy domino effect. >> who is next. budget negotiations. clearly the next step. i will say, eugene, we talked a lot about the demise of old media, "new york times," "washington post," these are mouth pieces for world leaders. >> we're still in the game. we're still in the game.

>> iranian president is welcome -- >> get him set up. >> i will. >> exactly. all right. thank you to eugene, ryan and karen. do not forget to catch karen on "disrupt" every weekend at 4:00 p.m. that is all for now. i'll see you back monday at noon eastern when i'm joined by my guests, president of opportunity, super creepy don't enroll in obama care ads evan feinberg. andrea michelle reports is coming up next. how much protein

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streets of chicago is simply unacceptable. >> cliffhanger, raising the stakes in the budget battle. the house votes for a spending bill that defund the president's health care law. rainfall our message to the united states senate is real simple. the american people adopt want the government shut down and they don't want obama care. >> but the bill is going nowhere in the senate. so with only 10 days to go, can anything be done to end the shutdown standoff. center stage, iran's president rouhani will make his debut on the world stage next week. from his interview with nbc's ann curry to his column in the "washington post," what do we make of this new charm offensive? is it a positive sign coming from rouhani in the interview. >> very positive. everything needs to be put to the test to see where we go. at the right moment, i think the wh