over 200 have been rescued. it is the deadliest attack in kenya and drawing renewed attention to the threat of radical fundamentalist terrorism. while the core has become increasingly weak, affiliated groups have been able to thrive in lawless states. these newer networks are also able to attract americans. the twin cities have the largest somalia population. two were convicted for providing material support to a terrorist group. they have not confirmed the identities of any of those involved in the west gate

terrorism attack. joining me now is a contributor to the atlantic, and i think we have ron. do we have ron? >> yes. >> how are you? given the fact that you are on the ground, could you give us the latest? this is obviously a fluid situation. what information do you have to share with us. >> when you look at it from our vantage point it doesn't look secure. there is still smoke billowing about it. the government is saying that they are in control of all floors of the mall. they have not revealed what happened during what has been several hours of fire fights and huge explosions. both sides have claimed the other side is responsible for the explosion. presumably, if they have the whole situation under control, they should be able to give us a full accounting of the hostages and the gunmen. this morning it is our understanding that there were

gunmen still there and a number of hostages, about ten. it was 30 yesterday and the government says that they were somehow getting more people out of the mall. but again, they are claiming that they are in full control. hopefully they will give a full accounting of what happened because at this point it is is a mystery about what happened to the hostages. what is the fate of the gunmen who were still there. who caused the big huge explosions? i counted six or seven in succession. you could still feel the force of the blat. some of it was the kenyan police and other aspiring to perhaps

disperse crowds and people were perhaps getting too close. there was a lot of curiosity and intention that was going on. >> ron, as far as the orchestration and the carrying out of these attacks, a confidential u.n. report describes the assault as a two-pronged attack with groups of gunmen attacking two floors simultaneously and shooting from there. there has been the tweeting of this, the integration of twitter dispatches presumably from the terrorists. to say that this is orchestrated and was a very closely coordinated attack is a pretty big understatement. i think the sophistication of this attack is probably giving folks concern in as much as the attack itself. >> it is concern because al-shabab have warned that they would do something like this.

so yes, there are obvious pli questions about the security around the mall. i understand that it involved unarmed guards and some armed guards. there is not enough metal deck tors to get in there. there is a children's event going up there. a number of children involved. we don't know the identity of all of the victims. and you're right. throughout the siege, al-shabab was communicating via twitter saying the government is trying to attack and they failed miserably. earlier today, i understand that one of the akouns they were

using was shut down. and they were appeals from the kenyan government yesterday telling journalists and others to be careful about what you put out there in social media. it was presumed that they apparently had access to social media, to the internet, to cell phones and so on and so forth. >> nbc's ron allen, thank you for the info and please stay safe. >> i want to bring in yoshi. you wrote an article last week about the next front in the war on terror being africa. i want to talk about the big picture here.

one is porous borders, underequipped military and flourishing drug trades. it's harder to mount a counter terror efforts. tell us about your initial thoughts when you heard about the attack in kenya and al-shab al-shabab's growing influence. >> it's a good way of summarizing why this attack happened. it is one that was not surprising at all. this is a very sophisticated group. it had bombed a soccer stadium some years ago. it's sophisticated not only in terms of how they carry out attacks but how they tweet them out and use social media to

publicize them. often in the west we dismiss them as a bunch of guys with guns and we forget these groups know exactly what they are doing. there are peace keepers inside somalia from uganda and kenya and they are saying get out of somalia and saying it the most violent way possible. >> how much do you think this is an inflection point. we know there have been incursions there. there are other targets there but how much do you think this changes? and having more of a hand in combatting terrorism. it sounds like we have done some. >> that's right. kenya is a very important u.s. ally.

unless and until you have a terror attack, we have come close but it has not happened yet. out of the people trying to kill targets in back stan. it's something when you talk to people in the pentagon they are a lot more aware of it. we make calculations based on how directly they hit americans. unless planes are blown up, that frankly it should. >> what do you think about the possible aspect, the dimension. dus that bring the. >> i think you led into it very

smartly. we think in the u.s. about terror groups that may have people already here. the only people that have been convicted of support for terror groups are somolians. what is, as you point out, is a very, very large somolian community and more attention paid to the fact that some of the attacks, we think about the christmas day bombing some years ago, work carried out by africans. >> yochi, before we let you go, it is worth talking about the coordination of all of this.

there was the shabab attack that killed 74 sports fans and injured others who were watching the world cup. there were ten kills in a suicide bomb including the president of the suicide olympic committee. these seem to be high priority targets. they may not resonate in the same way but certainly on the international stage. they are choosing very, very carefully and to have the greatest impact as it were possible in terms of the sense of sayty. the fact that they went to a mall. the fact that they are targeting global sporting events. these are not areas where one traditionallies of terrorism or terrorist tarts. >> i think that is exactly right. when you think about the popularity of soccer, you are hitting some place that africans pay attention to.

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>> to hold hostage to the fantasy of defunding obama care. the republican war on republicans began last week with house republicans taking issue with senate republicans including a suggested straty of lower chamber self-emulation. this weekend, there are interesting conflicts to take a new puzzling turn as ted cruz revealed that he may just filibuster the bill that house republicans just passed. >> senate republicans should stand united to stop harry reed from changing the house bill. we can filibuster and say we will not allow you to add the funding back to obama care. >> extricating itself will prove

chicky for the gop. there is no plan for what happens after republicans filibuster themselves no plan for what happens even if they don't. so the current strategy appears to be a lot like the old strategy. >> i don't want the government to shut down, the american people don't want the government to shut down. >> some on the right appear to actually -- realize what is going on here. a con va lawsuited ad hoc strategy. >> i agree with them that if we could do this, we should do it. but we can't. and political reality, tactics and strategies ought to be based

on what the real world is and we do not have the political power to do this. >> one of the things we are struggling is establishing what is is a realistic expectation for what we can accomplish. when you control only one out of the three, you don't get to dictate all the terms. >> needles to say if republicans are not helping themselves, then democrats including president obama aren't having it either. this weekend the president made clear that government shut downs are not on the bargaining table. >> you would be willing to shut down the government and potentially default for the first time in united states history because it bothers you so much that we're actually going to make sure that everybody has affordable health care. let me say as clearly as i can, it is not going to happen. >> joining me political reporter

alex and heather mcgee and kathleen parker. joining us now from capital hill is nbc news correspondent, luke. before we get to the analysis here, bring us the latest on this fluid ever changing situation, which is can and will the republicans in the senate filibuster the house bill? >> well you mentioned earlier in your introduction the parliamentarian procedure rules that harry will put in place on this bill which would limit the ability to filibuster once it went to the floor. so what ted cruz would have to do is in order to stage a true filibuster, he would in fact have to filibuster the house bill that he had praised earlier in the week because he is starting to say that harry reid

going to change it. this is a kafgs that we had this morning. if ted cruz wants to go that rou route, how do you explain that to the average voter? that is one thing they are leary of right now. i will also throw in there that if there is any sort of filibuster of this bill once it has actually moved the floor of the senate, it would mainly be theatrica theatrical. >> kathleen, help me see what is happening here. it seems to me that ted cruz wanted the house to take an unattainable position.

in an effort to show solidarity with the house. >> can you explain south carolina in my answer is always no. i can't really explain ted cruz either. the whole process has been rather mind boggling. republicans are furious for ted cruz because he is essentially running for president and he's not going to have to suffer the consequences of what he is doing and everyone else will. the backlash against him is certainly justified. whether he gets the filibuster is the question. and i think there is a very good chance he won't. there are enough votes, perhaps, to prevent that happening. >> what is interesting about many things, but the idea that ted cruz is running for president, what we have seen out

of this republican party are congressional representatives who don't care about the national party because they care about conservative challenges. they are putting themselves at the congressional level. now you have people in the senate who are looking to be president and are really out for themselves. i feel like that is a very dangerous dichotomy. >> the grass roots congressional rank and file are thinking about the themselves of the national party and now potentially party leaders are not. >> certainly some are. there is a real problem within the house, obviously. we have got so many members who are not interested in playing ball at all. i always want to put the word poor before john boehner. >> tragic, poor, whichever adjective. >> all of these new people

coming in they have no interest in playing ball. they don't care about the old rules. they pick battles they cannot win. and i can assure you that most, the majority of the republicans in the house do not want to see a shut down. >> so where do we go from here, right? so let's say ted cruz filibusters the bill. what happens if he does it? let's say harry reed strips the obama care provision from it and you have a clean continuing resolution going to the house. what happens then, alex? >> there is no way for republicans to win. the most likely scenario is maybe harry reed strips the bill. it will go back to the house. and either republicans are going to cave and pass it or john boehner is going to have to think about breaking the rule and pass the rule with democrats or he will lead us directly into a shut down and he knows it's

not a good idea. even if we go to a government shut down, obama care survives. it will continue even as the marines are not getting paid. >> you know what is interesting? we talk about the republicans not winning and this being a terrible piece of strategy. we are not talking about a clean continuing resolution. there was talk about trying to unwind or replace the sequester cuts. that is not even on the table. even as this has been a flawed strategy and taking the american economy with it, they continue to move the goal posts in the bigger picture about where this country is going and what our spending priorities are. >> absolutely. we have still got what we anticipate will be about a million jobs that will be created or preserved because of a sequester that made absolutely no sense. i remember being on the show and talking about it like it was the loch ness monster.

and we're seeing dozens of elected officials fighting over whether or not someone who is 27 years old can get a tax credit to buy private insurance in a new shopping porthole. that is how radical this is. >> it doesn't end here. luke, before we get to the debt limit fight, which it seems to be going nowhere which is to say looming on the horizon, i want to know what you make of what eric and kevin were doing on friday saying it is incumbent upon the is vulnerable democrats to vote against the funding of obama care including mary landrieu and others. do you think they are vulnerable or is this an effort to punt this over to the democrat's shoulders? >> first i will say when eric cantor did that, it was striking and that upset a lot of people

on the democratic side. you are not supposed to be that political in the capital, calling out electoral opponents in the senate. that literally happened one room away from the house floor. it's rare that one sees that. the idea is you push this over to the senate. make these folks take a vote. it can be a vote in the sense that it will add to the political campaign ads that we will see going down the gaunt t gauntlet, but do you think anyone will remember this health care vote if the government shuts down? they are happy to have that fight to keep the government open and keep dysfunction at bay. as i think alex said there. >> if one had to look into the crystal ball, which is increasingly foggy. you will say okay, we're going

to litigate this fight on the big kahuna, which is the debt ceiling. the thing that is more distressing, the outcome of holding the full faith and credit of the united states hostage for political negotiations is one thing. it's about the psychology of the house caucus and what we have seen so far is is a lot of promising about debt ceiling. republicans have been promised a delay on obama care, a tax code overhaul, approving a grab bag of republican wish list goodies and they have been promised this on negotiations over the debt ceiling. if they don't get that, what happens? >> the plan is to try to get a bill out this week that includes all of those goodies and they feel pretty confident that they can use it pretty successfully

because they don't believe that the white house and the democrats and senate have the votes to pass a clean bill. so they're going to do it. they are hopeful. they feel like that's the best leverage that they have and that they can maybe get some goodyie. >> as far as the sense of doom and gloom, as the cr is dealt with, the debt ceiling looms inversely proportional, does it not? >> it does. it's something that republicans feel they have a much more solid footing on than the government funding bill. if you look at the polling, the polling right now in the american public shows that folks do not support raising the debt limit. americans don't want to incur more debt after the trillions in the past years.

he said he won't negotiate. but the idea that they would go to a guilty shut down is something that a lot of. >> this is -- a lot of people in the president based on the progressive side of things worry. there is such potential for catastrophe here that the president will move on social security or something to get it done. >> i think the president has to spend this time outside of the bellway telling the american people what is in the health care law. telling the american people why they should support the move he just made on climate. his agenda is incredibly popular and he has been dragged into and i think this is part of the republican strategy all of this fighting and back and forth.

>> like increasing our debt does not sound like a good idea. >> this is where semantics -- where is the war room here to figure out a better way to talk about something. >> alex, one point that is entertaining at least is there is certainly a certain number of people who think why don't we let obama care go forward? the truth is if you really do think it's going to be a train wreck, then go ahead and let it wreck. and the long game is if it's that bad, then the american people will respond by electing republicans in 2014 and get the white house. >> on that note, maybe if it's that bad, people will do something collaboratively to fix it. can you imagine that?

it is not written in stone. this thing is malleable, it's just that no one wants to tweak it. they just want to repeal it. luke, thank you as always. coming up with ben ghazi on the brain, the congressman did not invite any democrats. that's coming up next. building animatronics

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inviting others to join him to inspect a consulate. it was a totally disingenuous invitation. they were informed he would be departing over the weekend with no other lawmakers. congressman responded, apparently the trip being this weekend must have slipped his mind. it is described as a partisan effort to deliberately exclude democrats from the trip. declaring all delegations must be bipartisan. single member travel is not permitted except in rare circumstances and at the sole discretion of the chairman. issa has been on a sole mission to find a scandal. issa's covert plans did not

exactly burnish his reputation. it was written once again republicans on the committee have engaged in partisan maneuvering that make a mockery of the chairman's claims that he is conducting a bipartisan investigation. we reached out to his office and they declined to comment. >> as evidence, this creepy new add. we all discussed facts, fiction, and the great american roll out when one of the great architects of the law joins us next on "now."

i had pain in my abdomen... it just wouldn't go away.thing. i was spotting, but i had already gone through menopause. these symptoms may be nothing... but they could be early warning signs of a gynecologic cancer, such as cervical, ovarian, or uterine cancer. feeling bloated for no reason. that's what i remember. seeing my doctor probably saved my life. warning signs are not the same for everyone. if you think something's wrong... see your doctor. ask about gynecologic cancer. and get the inside knowledge. >> we can't rest until every american knows the security of quality affordable health care. [ applause ]

knowing you can offer your family the security of health care, that's priceless. and now you can do it for less than your cell phone bill. that's what change looks like. [ applause ] >> that was president obama over the weekend kicking off a six month campaign to persuade 48 million uninsured americans to sign up for coverage. the new insurance exchange opens for enrollment in just eight days but polls still show uncertainty among the american people. only 25% say they have a very good understanding of the law and only half of uninsured americans are in favor of it. the health care roll out would include an event this week with former president bill clinton, a speech by president obama and messaging across the country featuring first lady, vice president and members of the president's cabinet. but the messaging around the health care law is a crowded

space. across the country, outside groups have been spending millions to deter people from signing up for coverage. according to media analysis, the koch-brothers group ran more than four times the number of ads placed by the department of health and human services. it is not the only group being funded by the kock brothers. the group generation opportunity just launched its own anti-obama care campaign to persuade young adults to opt out and by the looks of it, persuasion is clearly rooted in creeping people out. >> okay. let's have a look.

>> joining us now is global initiatives at the university of pennsylvania and one of the architects of the affordable care act. he is also the authors of the brothers. i'm sorry we had to introduce you with such a creepy ad. >> wait a second. let's give them credit. it's slick. it's funny. >> is it? >> it doesn't have any facts behind it. >> i don't think it's funny. >> it really is funny. >> you're a doctor so perhaps you're more comfortable in rooms like those than many other people are including some of the women on this panel. i found it not only creepy but a reminder that which party, which group of lawmakers are the ones trying to get involved in the entire gynecology exam process? it's republicans. >> these are the same guys that

want to require women to have an ultrasound and require them to listen to fetal heartbeats and everything and now they are suggesting that obama care is going to be the doctor in the room. but, i preshume they are try to say that we have free preventative care including things like pap smears and exams for colon cancer, but that is not done by the government or uncle sam but by your private physician. >> you were noting the slickness of the ad. they are generation opportunity has said that they are going for the youth audience, really. they're going to tailgate parties. grand ambassadors, the key to the aca success are young

people. 2.7 million of them need to be young helalthy adults. how confident are you that young people are going to sign up for this stuff? >> i can't be confident but the proof is in the pudding. we're going to know over the next six months and six months is a long time for people to see. in california if you make 15, 0 $15,000 a year and you could get health care coverage for $74 a month. and i think in the end, self-interest is going to win where you get health insurance, god forbid an accident or some other terrible situation, that's pretty cheap. so i have every confidence in the intelligence of most people. and from what i can tell a lot

of people once they hear the pricing are very, very interesting. >> we're only going to know on april first when we get the full tallies. >> the logic here seems to be flawed. >> somehow you are planting your flag in the sort of battle against the government. don't worry about what happens. >> it's really upsetting. they themselves have health care, really great health care are saying to young people who are of childbearing age, who are, you know, finally getting benefits and being able to stay

on their parents' plan until they are 26, who get free birth control which is a major expense that young women have. trying to say no because basically my political agenda and my desire to be re-elected and have any ideology be the ideology of the land that you shouldn't have health care. >> and i think part of the most distressing part of this is you can -- i think there are people who have issues, pick ups are going to be problems. it used to be repeal and replace and now it's just repeal. and not giving an alternative. seems really irresponsible. >> well, there are certain arguments to be made some people

are going to have higher premiums than quoted and it does become a financial stress for all of us, really. my premiums are certainly going to go up. >> if health care is -- >> i think people are concerned -- well, you know -- >> it's one of those issues that i think, you know, some -- your premiums may go up. the question is are they going up because they are required to cover more things and not be simply bare bones plans that don't cover delivery if you need it. i think we have tried to get rid of those. really don't cover enough. premiums are going to go up on

part of it. but let's also be serious with the subsidies for most people who are uninsured, there is really going to make them -- make it affordable for the first time. >> 19 million young adults are uninsured. 8 million of them qualify for free insurance through medicaid. to kathleen's point, there are some problems with this. and some labor unions have come out and said they voiced their issues with it. talks about viewer choices i feel like part of the problem is because republicans have been so delouse zeelous, that dealing with the issues it is very hard to say there are problems with the law

because there is no sense of -- >> it is certainly toxic and it is not a reasonable discussion. if you talk to republican staffers on the hill off line they will tell you oh yeah we understand we need certain fixes. we need to put in some adjustments. and we need to make some other adjustments. everyone agrees but nothing is going to happen until 2014. that is certainly unfortunate from a policy standpoint and from the good of the country. >> and theoretically, we will be subjected to more incredibly creepy ads in the gynecology's office. >> let's hope they're funny.

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>> romney running mate paul ryan has just inked a new book deal. his second tone, where do we go from here.

he has not been engaged in this budget battle at all, saving that political capital for 2016. >> that guy. >> the dude who was the budget dude. >> he was so famous and popular. he was everywhere. he has been playing behind the scenes and doing everything that you would do gearing up to 2016. i think he is going to present himself as a reasonable but staunchly conservative. >> >> i would say that they are probably not hanging out in the gym together. one of them is distinctly better. >> he is as alex said he is behind the scenes. he has a lot of influence in the conference. i don't think he wants to be out front having this conversation.

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