was talking about the bca, right, suddenly sparked some interest in myself. i thought he said the bcs. >> exactly. i don't even know what that is. >> here's the after of what mika did to this doughnut. >> still have a little something there. >> and she did it in, like -- >> stop. >> unbelievable. what did you learn? >> from melissa crusoe cabrera, i'm grateful for her. >> she's going after another doughnut! >> i learned that mika has a special relationship with icing. >> yes. stick around. chuck todd with "the daily rundown." beakdown, meltdown, shutdown. parks closed. museums, ditto. garbage? in some places staying where it is. even the panda cam is going dark as the federal government somes to a standstill over just 75 days of funding and another

effort to defund, delay, or simply disrupt the president's health care law. but guess what is open today? the marketplace exchanges set up by that health care law. take a deep dive what into what it means for you under the president's plan if you're 27 or older, uninsured, and looking for options. talk to white house communications director jennifer palmieri, both sides of congress, plus we expect to hear live in senate majority leader harry reid from the senate floor in about 30 minutes when he will officially reject the latest proposal. hard to say it's a good morning in washington, but it is morning time and we are in washington. and it's now october 1st, 2013. day one of a shutdown. this is "the daily rundown." let's get right to my first reads of the morning. the federal government has shut its doors for the first time in nearly two deck ailds. just before midnight eastern time the process actually began. the office of management and budget issued orders that said

agencies should now execute plans for an orderly shutdown due to the absence of appropriations. that's a lot of washingtonspeak, isn't it? here's what it means. more than 800,000 federal workers across the country will spend today filling out a little paperwork, turning in some blackberries, and getting ready to congress to see if they'll let them back to work. national parks from the grand canyon to the statue of liberty closed today. the smithsonian's galleries shuttered. tens of thousands of air-traffic controllers, prison guards and border patrol agents will be required to serve even though their paychecks are not guaranteed. and look at here. even the panda cam wasn't able to bring washington together. the zoo's panda cam is technically dark. there you have it. error loading stream. could not connect to server. maybe that means could not connect to congress. late into the night, the house and senate played hot potato with a short-term spending bill that will fund the government for the next 75 days.

again, a fight over 75 days. and the potato was in speaker boehner's hands at midnight. >> it is embarrassing that these people who are elected to represent the country are representing the tea party. the anarchists of the country. >> later today 800,000 federal workers will no longer be needed on the job. what's your message to them, and do you have a plan to restore back pay to them? >> the house has voted to keep the government open, but we also want basic fairness for all americans under obamacare. >> just after 1:00 a.m. the house passed its third proposal to fund the government in two days, requesting what's called a conference committee made up of members of both the house and the senate. it's called regular order. they asked the senate to agree to a one-year delay of the health care law's individual mandate and a provision eliminating health subsidy for members of congress and their staffs. but just minutes from now you

will hear senate majority leader harry reid probably reject it officially when he brings the senate in to session, something he himmed at last night. >> we like to resolve issues, but we will not go to conference with a gun to our head. they want to go to conference on the cr. madam president, that closes government. they want to close government. this is all a subterfuge. >> earlier monday the president called all four congressional leaders including speaker boehner. the two of them talked for about ten minutes. the president told the speaker and later the public that he was not planning to negotiate on this short-term funding bill. >> the affordable care act is moving forward. that funding is already in place. you can't shut it down. one faction of one party in one

house of congress in one branch of government doesn't get to shut down the entire government just to refight the results of an election. you don't get to extract a ransom for doing your job. >> i talked to the president earlier tonight. "i'm not going to negotiate. i'm not going to negotiate. we're not going to do this." well, i would say to the president this is not about me and it's not about republicans here in congress. it's about fairness for the american people. >> it's clear house conservatives called the shots yesterday. they came up with the idea of the conference committee. that happened around dinnertime last night. the question is how long does boehner let the conservatives win the argument inside the conference? one of the mistakes negotiators make in any big high-stakes deal is negotiating with themselves. and boehner does not have a united party behind him and he's been forced to do a series of incremental moves, aka

negotiating with yourself, believing if he does not continue to adjust his tactics any pretense of a united front will corumble. at this hour, that front is far from united. >> when the dead end orchestr e orchestrated by ted cruz is going to hurt the government, the congress, the republican party. it's a dead end. >> i am afraid that the american people, as they have in the past, will blame congress, i.e., republicans. obamacare is going to have a lot of problems when it's rolled out. the president's polling numbers are falling in every category, and yet the story is to the american people that republicans are fighting republicans. that's not helpful. >> clinton administration republican congressman devin nunes called his own party lemmings, saying it's kind of an insult to lemmings to call them lemmings. they say you guys ever watch candles? remember long duk dong at the

end? that's going to be us tomorrow, waking up on the grass, crashed automobile. that's us. the white house believes it has public opinion on its side and a quinnipiac poll out this morning seems to back them up. 72% of americans say they oppose shutting down the government as a means of blocking the health care law. just 22% support that method. and just in case republicans want to get a taste of what the bully pulpit looks like, at 12:01 a.m. the president obliged, releasing a taped message to u.s. troops. >> unfortunately, congress has not fulfilled its responsibility. it's failed to pass a budget, and as a result much of our government must show now shut down until congress funds it again. >> of course now the question is how long will this shutdown last? nbc's kelly o'donnell is live on capitol hill. she had a later night than i did. kelly, let's start with we know what harry reid is going to do in 24 minutes. the question is what does john

boehner do in 34 minutes? >> reporter: that is really the question. i just talked to a republican senator who said this is going to do on for days, talked to some senior advisers on the democratic side who want to be a bit more dire and predicting it could be weeks, and part of the problem is, as you've laid out, there isn't an easy move that is in kind of the interest of the house republicans. democrats will tell you the simple move is to simply go forward with funding that keeps the government open without anything attached. when i talk to senior boehner aides, they're saying we don't know what the next play is. now, overnight perhaps there have been some cooler heads. you know, they left just really a matter of hours ago. it was darn near an all-nighter here. senators are coming back to work. we know that quickly the senate democrats will vote to kill the offer from the house and then we're at square one. so i'm being told by people in both parties settle in, prepare

for this to go on for a while, and i think the real challenge today will be to try to get a gauge from speaker boehner in his closest advisers and the members of his conference who have been so forceful through this to see where can they go and how does the public react. it will be interesting. we've certainly seen people visiting this morning, talked to some folks who are very frustrated, as you know. and part of this will be the outside game of what will the outside interest groups and the people have to say about it. chuck? >> well, it's going to be interesting. i'm one of those theories that if it doesn't end today it probably doesn't end for at least a week. >> exactly. they're saying cave quickly or it's days and days and days. >> kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. go get the cot. all right. in washington, governing from crisis to crisis, well, it's become a routine. just blocks away from the capitol, some frustrated visitors told me think ear pretty fed up and they're blaming everybody. who do you blame?

>> me personally? >> yeah. >> i blame both sides. >> oh, man. i say everybody. i mean you can't really point the finger because they're all working as a whole. >> why does it have to come down to the last minute? we've had how long to get a balanced budget? i don't get to do this at home when i'm balancing the budget. >> i think it's all a crock, to put it bluntly. >> just partisan politics and everybody digs their heels in. the less you get done, the more angry you get, the less you get done, like a vicious circle. >> man, he said it pretty well. vicious circle. joining me now white house communications director jennifer palm merry. jennifer, let me start with this question that a lot of people were asking that i was talking to, is why doesn't the president and everybody -- i understand your position on not negotiating. why doesn't the president force everybody into a room? that's sort of one of these mantras you hear from the general public. force them in a room and don't let them out until they come up

with a reasonable solution. >> reporte >> well, it's apparent what the reasonable solution is. in these situations you look for what people refer to as the deal space and where there is agreement among both sides of the congress, and it's quite evident what that is. there is agreement that we should open the government, that we should fund it for the next six weeks, at least, and do some with the same amount of funding that we're doing now. and during that time we can -- you know, we hope to figure out a way that we can deal more broadly with the sequester. but the point is if john boehner would put a clean funding bill on the floor of the house, you know, it's pretty clear that that would pass, that there's a majority that would support it. the problem is he's trying to do this just with republican votes. you can't do that in the senate with just democratic votes nor

in the house with just republican votes. they have to put the bill on the floor and that it's a clean bill and this that could pass. that may take some time to come to realization, but it's not as if there's a lot of substance to talk about. we're just talking about a very short-term bill that will keep the government open for just a matter of weeks. this is not the type of thing that you do some big negotiation around. >> well, what is is president willing to negotiate on? he sort of hinted yesterday when he came out into the briefing room and in the interview with npr that if this were part of the larger budget he'd be willing to negotiate some things even on health care but not certain parts of health care. so could you explain what is the president willing to negotiate on in broad terms? >> in terms of health care, what he's always said is that where the bill needs to be improved we would like to do that. there's things we've done along the way in implementing it to

improve bill and we don't think we have the market -- >> let me stop you there a minute, because there are some things that i understand you guys would like to improve but you need congress to do it. what would that be? >> i'm not ready to get into details of what that may or may not be at this very moment, but the point is we are open to making changes, we really much like to hear constructive solutions that republicans or democrats may have to that. that doesn't mean you repeal the bill or defund the bill but constructive solutions. but what we're not going to do is entertain those kinds of solutions when there is a gun pointed to your head, whether that be the government shutdown that we're now experiencing or whether that be a threat by republicans to not pay the bills and default, you know, later -- when that happens late thermo. we're not going to do that with a fun pointed to our head. we're happy to have these conversations, particularly if they're going to be productive, about how we can improve health

care. but that's not what we've seen for -- >> let me ask you on health care, why is the individual mandate important to keep in place but the business mandate -- and the business mandate was okay to delay? explain the difference between the two. >> i'll start with the business mandate. 98% of businesses already provide health care their employee, right, so when you talk about what's new for businesses, it's a really small number of them. a number of them -- what we're talking about is the reporting requirements not applying and the penalty not applying. 98% of businesses are already doing the right thing. they said it would be hard for them to comply with just the reporting requirements. we want this to work for everybody so, we delayed that for a year so we could work together to get that right. but what each individual mand day-to-day does, that is basically the sort of all-in theory that creates the foundation by which the whole system works, right.

in order for this to work, you've got to have everyone have a requirement to be part of the system so you can get healthy young people in as well. and so if you undo that you're undoing the whole underpinning of the concept. >> you believe roll back the individual mandate even temporarily undermines the entire law. >> rolling back the individual mandate is the equivalent of getting rid of the requirement that you not -- if you do that, you're saying people with pre-existing conditions are still going to be prejudiced against. that's the whole point is to make sure it's available to everyone. >> all right. it was a long night last night. we'll see if it's a long day today. >> i stayed here later last night than you. i notice that you took off. >> i don't know about that. >> no. yeah. yes. i went down for the nbc booth. you were gone. >> yes, ma'am. we'll see you later. >> okay. >> jennifer palmieri, thanks very much. >> thanks, chuck. coming up, republicans are pointing fingers at harry reid. we expect to hear from him in about 20 minutes. but who's really to blame?

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even before the midnight deadline struck, lawmaker were trying to ensure they didn't take the blame for the shutdown. for republicans that meant

pinning it on majority leader harry reid. >> the senate really does prefer continuing resolutions because then they can pull stunt like the one harry reid is doing now. >> if majority leader reid insists on forcing a government shutdown, then we may face a government shutdown. >> none of us should be under any illusion that the majority leader has the done anything other than make it more likely that we will have a shutdown of the federal government. >> joining me now, delaware democratic senator chris kunce, a member of the budget committee. when you heard last night there was talk of the house wanting to go to conference and they didn't say specifically at the time what it was for just this six-week funding bill or the overall budget, what did you think? >> i was hopeful what they really men was they would finally agree to go to conference on the budget we passed six months ago. as we both know, that's not what they meant. they were finally suggesting perhaps we could resolve our

differences by keeping the government open by going to a conference. this is no way to resolve our differences. today the work of democrats and of this president expanded quality health care to tens of millions of americans and in response the republicans who control the house shut down the federal government and there's 800,000 federal employees at home today or in their offices shutting town as we begin closing down major functions all over this country. this is going to hurt the economy. this is going to hurt our recovery. ice going to hurt families. this is no way to govern. >> senator, there is an appealing thing about a conference commit fee for frankly those of us watching, which is, well, at least you guys will get into a room and talk. and if you have to legislatively mandate that you guys talk, what's wrong with that? >> nothing is wrong with the idea of our getting to conference. patty murray, the chair of the budget committee, has tried to go to conference more than 17 times over the last six months on the budget.

we passed a budge net the senate and they passed a budge net the house. but just as with this shutdown a few extreme republicans in the senate have objected every time she's tried to go to conference. we should be going to conference on the budget, on appropriations, on funding the government. but we should haven't to go through a hugely disruptive government shutdown just to do our jobs. >> would you be willing to go to conference on this if it were both, if they basically said, okay, we're going to go to conference on the big budget and on the funding resolution? >> well, chuck, i think that would be progress. that would be having folks in a room with an agenda and something to negotiate over. the challenge, though, is that resolving the conferenceable issues in our budget could take weeks or months, and we've got estimates out from economists that every week the federal government is shut down it will hurt our economy $10 billion. if this goes on more than a few weeks we really will threaten the sovereign credit of the united states because we're coming up against a debt ceiling. >> you say more than a few weeks. i'm still in the camp of maybe

this gets resolved in a few hours. do you think this doesn't get resolved today, let alope this week? >> i hope and pray this gets resolved today. chuck, we're setting a really bad example for the world. as someone on the foreign relations committee, we try to persuade other countries around the world that democracy is the right way to resolve your differences and this is not showing off a great example. i really hope that this does get resolved today. the house can end this myny minute by simply passing a clean cr and then we should go to conference on the budget, which is a bigger, tougher, and broader challenge for us to resolve. >> democratic senator from delaware, senator chris coons, thanks for coming on. >> thank you. well, now let's go to the other side of the capitol. not everyone believes the house republican strategy is a winner. even some of their own congressional colleagues are questioning whether it will do more harm than good. >> the ted cruz wing of the party is driving this whole process. you have to say no, i don't want to be an accessory to a disastrous policy. >> i've seen this movie before,

and we will not repeal obamacare at least in this fashion. >> i think that we have a responsibility here. we've got a responsibility to govern, and we're not doing that right now. >> oklahoma republican congressman james langford is chairman of the republican policy committee, member of leadership. he joins me now. congressman, let me start with a question -- >> good morning. >> -- that a lot of people have this morning which is what do you guys do next if senator reid, as we expect in about six minute, officially rejects your offer on conference? >> well, that would be really disappointing. we'd like to sit down and talk through these issues. this feeling we keep passing things in the house and we need major reforms in obamacare, there are real problems that are e legitimate, and keep sending them to the senate, the senate continues to ignore those. now we've reached the point to

say we really have to sit down and do it. i quite frankly think our proposals yesterday were very reasonable proposals. we had the same budget numbers we agreed upon and asked for three different things. the last thing was to go to conference, sit down in a room, work out our differences, get it done and pass they will back to both areas. the other was to take away the exemption of the members of the white house. and the third is put a delay on the individual mandate. lots of folks will face penalties a year from now. they don't know it. it's confusing. they don't know how things will roll out. put a delay on the individual mandate penalties the same as we have for businesses. >> well, the thing that the white house seems to not believe is number one that you really -- that you guys really care about having the law work, that the delay strategy is simply punning in order to see if the political climate gets better to fully repe repeal. what do you say to that charge? >> they can say that. quite frankly, i don't think this law will work. i think it's harming folks in my district. a lot of people have come back

and talked act premium change, everything else. even if they believe that that, what is wrong with the last proposal we put out for members of congress to live under the exchanges exactly the same as the american people and do a one-year delay on just the penalty part for individuals saying if an individual makes a mistake at some point in the first year of implementation they shouldn't face a penalty for that? i don't see anything wrong with that and i think it's reasonable. >> why attach this to a six-week funding bill? this seems to be another point of contention and frankly a part i don't get. if you guys want to extract one-year concessions, asking for one-year concessions on issues and you're doing a six-week -- it's over six-week funding bill, it would be pretty stooupd negotiating tactic on democratic side to agree to something like that. why not do this over the actual annual budget and go to conference on that? >> well, part of the reason is because the senate's not responding to us. we passed this same piece -- >> wait a minute. the senate did pass a budget.

they passed a budget. you didn't want to go to conference on that. >> i'm talking about the individual mandate piece. we had 22 democrats many the house that voted with all the republicans and said we believe we should have a up with-year delay of the penalties on obamacare. obviously that's pretty significant bipartisan support. that's not just one or two. 2 different democrats have voted with us on the senate. the senate ignored that. they're ignoring the realities on the ground. i understand. they like obamacare, think this is going to work. we're identifying individuals in our district saying there are problems and concerns and we feel like we should deal with some of those issues. >> let me ask you this. does this end today if. >> hopefully it does snop what is your intent? are you guys going to offer something new since you know -- at the end of the day, nothing can be law unless the house and senate agree on something. >> we've already assigned conferees. we voted last night to have conferees with the senate -- >> an offer? >> not that i know of. we think this can be best resolved not by just pinging

things back and forth. we've tried that for two weeks. let's sit down and get it done. we can get it done in a couple hours if we sit down together. >> no new offer today. >> not that i know of. i'm not the speaker of the house. if the speaker proposes something else, that proposal will come out. our proposal is let's sit down and work it out in a room. >> james langford, member of the house republican leadership from oklahoma, thanks for coming on this morning. >> thank you. up next, the program at the core of the fiscal fight that's going on. it's the first day of open enrollment under the affordable care act. we'll dive into how the exchanges work and what it means if you're 27 and uninsured. first today's trivia question. what was the only state that refused to participate in medicaid when the program went into effect in 197 2? the first person to tweet the correct answer to @chucktodd will get the on-air shutout.

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senate the following message from the house of representatives. >> resthoovl the house insist on its amendment to the amendment to the senate of the resolution -- >> when they speak of the message, what they're eventually saying is they're bringing over what the house did last night, and the house voted to send their bill, the bill that includes the one-year delay and the individual mandate, plus the idea that the members of congress and their staffs do not get any special deductibles or treatments when it comes to the health care law, and they voted to go to conference. and now the senator reading that business, dealing with it, and senator harry reid in a minute will officially start dealing with it. now they're calling the roll. as they do that, which of course means they have to call 100 names, now we will sneak in a quick break and join harry reid in a second. help the gulf recover and learn from what happened so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do.

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senator harry reid will talk about it when they officially reject what they're doing, what harry reid moved to do was table what the house sent over. if you vote to table, it means you vote not to take up or discuss the house bill. we expect it to pass once again 54-46. when we see harry reid, we'll come back to that. today is health care day. it's today's "deep dive." the health insurance exchanges are open for business, so with that in mind we decided we'll take a deep dive to see what kind of options are available. to do that we're going to assume you are 27 years old, too old to be on your parents' plan, and that you're uninsured. there's multiple plans available to you -- platinum, gold, silver, an bronze. let me show you what we got here of what your medical cost is covered. this is 60% covered, 40% -- all of this, an these percentages, the bronze plans, cheapest plan for you to pay, obviously

silver, gold, platinum. the question is, is all your cost before deductible. now, good luck trying to figure out what the deductible is. i know whenever i buy insurance, the first thing i wonder about is the deductible. what was did i feel for us as we put this together is you could not find easily how much the deductible is before then insurance covers everything when you see these out-of-pocket costs. obviously you wouldn't be cover hg 40% of a million-dollar bill when it comes to health care. but let's move on and dig deeper into this. so here is the lowest silver plan option that is available to you. average cost per month, $203, $2,436 per year. this is in the 36 state where is the federal government has had a hand in the exchanges for a 27-year-old who bought the least expensive silver plan. it would cost about $200. that's all of this without tax credits. but the costs do vary widely from place to place. in tennessee that plan would cost you about $155 a month.

in wyoming it's $324 a month. more on that bronze plan. a little lower cost plan. the average cost of that is just $163 a month and that adds up to just under $2,000 a year to go into the states, oklahoma has the cheapest bronze plan at $114 a month. wyoming again the most expensive at $286. but keep in mind all of these prices are not as low as the options that were available before the health care exchanges went online. "wall street journal" compared the two and found that the average cost of the cheapest premium for our 27-year-old before the exchanges opened was just over $47 a month. that's a third of the cost of the bronze plan available today. that said, we should point out that people on the government plans may be eligible for tax credits which can help lower the cost. an additional possibility for young folks is something called the catastrophic option. this cost is very low, an average of about $129 a month.

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vu. it's different because you had -- congress was united against the president. congress is fighting with itself right now. >> it's definitely a civil war in the republican party, and part of the problem is predi predicting what will boehner do next. ice very hard to do that because i don't think there is a plan just now for what to do next because we have this near revolt last night among the moderates who have been put out among bithe tea partyers. >> that shows how little power you had. peter king saying i'm going to kill this thing, i have 25 votes. >> he didn't have six. it was pathetic. >> maybe we ought to learn our lesson in the media. peter king speaks for peter king. >> right. >> that's about it. >> exactly. the other five who voted with him were tea party -- >> conservatives. >> who wanted it to be worse. there's a big fracture in that caucus making it so much harder for boehner to guide and plot a path ahead. >> earlier this morning i spoke

with steny hoyer. we were going to try to play the interview. we've had a lot of things going on. i'll play a bite and you can react on the other side. >> i frankly think there's very little relationship now between the two parties dawes of one note, one demand to eliminate the affordable care act, which i think most reasonable republicans don't think is either a good strategy -- >> so very quickly, you don't think government reopens today, do you? >> i don't have a great deal of confidence given the irresponsibility that i've seen over the past few days and few weeks. >> that is what's amazing to me this morning, michelle. there is no optimism that anything happens today. i guess i just assume that if boehner, if he's going to cave, cave today and live to fight another day, and my guess is he's going to try to have that conversation with some conservatives. the question is whether they listen. >> i don't think they'll listen. not only is there no optimism.

it is sheer pessimism. nine out of ten people you talk to say this is ominous and it feels like it is only going to get worse. if you look at what's gone on between the democrats and republicans historically literally since the day president obama took office, it is splintering, there is fracturing, there is no trust on either side. the president's not going to give up his signature program. most people in the tea par i have spoke on the have said they have no reason to do anything different because if they do, then they know they're not going to get re-elected. >> luis, this is the issue i try to tell people, people say you're irrational. no, politically, everybody is being very rational about this. compromise doesn't happen unless your self-interest and the compromise actually go together. the good old days of tip and reagan, b.s. it's because they had at the time the compromise was in their political best interests. that's not the case if you were in the conservative wing of the gop and you're going to worry about a primary. >> this is why boehner's actions are so questionable because it's frankly irresponsible and reckless and he doesn't have a

lot to gain either way. i think at this point he's recognized he's done and he's trying to figure out how he extend his political life a little longer as speaker but it's reckless, irresponsible, and won't do him any favors in that direction. >> the thing is, gene, the longer this goes on, there is going to be this -- i saw yesterday, i was talking, quote, unquote, real people. we always joke about that in the media, but it's true. these are people that are just visiting washington but they're visiting washington because they're kind of interested in government and they're shaking their head, blaming everybody. whether the president likes it or not, he's going to have to play a role in bringing this to the end if it lasts a few days. >> he definitely will. the polls show that the public this time -- >> they're going to blame republicans first. but they're going to blame everybody. >> but they're unhappy with washington in general. >> yes. >> and that's unlike '95, where back then the republicans were blamed by 20 percentage points. now it's about 10. obama takes a lot more than clinton did back in 1995.

the president does have to engage. >> whether he likes it or not. >> no motivation. >> i get there's no motivation, but this there's got to be a point, and that's the only things republicans can bank on, that somehow he's, like, well, this is a mess, i've got to bring everybody in. >> i honestly don't see him engaging. i don't see him doing it. i think that he believes that there's something to be had. let the country see they are willing to let -- >> i think that's what they're doing now. >> yeah. >> therefore they don't deserve to be re-elected in 2014. i think that's the strategy. >> they're supposed to fund the government. >> let's take a pause. we may talk a little health care after the break or more about this. the gaggle is sticking around. we asked what was the only state that refused to participate in medicaid when the program went into effect in 1972. this one a lot of you guessed correctly. arizona. they decided not to opt in until 1982. a little late with a lot of things if you recall. martin luther king holiday was one of the last states with

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well, the senators, they're officially voting again. we expect this vote to be what every other senate vote has been the last couple of days when the house makes an offer, 54-46. let's bring back the gaggle. it was interesting, i was just going through e-mail as i do during break -- >> and ignoring your panel. >> pretty much. it was just interesting to see my mcconnell release this morning. and they're hitting something on somebody, some nominee, i'm thinking the whole world is focused on the government shutdown. it almost tells you there are a lot of senate republicans sitting there washing their

hands of this one. >> they don't like it, but this is about re-election. >> no doubt with mcconnell. >> that's what this is and that is interesting to see how that does motivate different people. it's one of the reasons these votes can be difficult in the senate because of the primary threats that are threats and are reality. >> well, but the house guys do have to worry about primaries. the senate guys in general have to face some swing voters. yesterday we made a big deal of wall street and how they reacted, were reacting to the government shutdown yesterday, everything was down. let's look at some market numbers today and you'll see it's all green arrows. now, it's not much. so either the market -- so we all said government shutdown had an impact on the market yesterday when it dropped triple digits. today it's kind of up, which of course i have to say maybe we ought to be careful jumping to conclusions about what impacts what. >> it's difficult to make sense of it. i was watching an earlier segment today and michelle cabrera was saying people keep

throwing around the term default. if we make an interest payment late, the market will not go crazy. if we make payments late, everything is okay. it's not just how the market looks at it. one of the things i keep thinking about is here we are, supposedly the greatest democracy on earth and we're preaching democratic institutions around the world. do we say to other countries, boy the way, when you disagree, just shut your government down? >> the market is the wild card here. the market is something that frankly the white house is counting on to be the sledgehammer if necessary to bring house republicans to their side. if the market is not going the way the white house predicts, then house republicans are going to feel more comfortable in their position, are they not? >> and i think it will determine how long this lasts. if republicans feel something good coming out of this they may try to extend it even more. if they start to feel the pain -- >> it's who feels pain first. right now you look at the polls and right now you assume it's republicans. >> and the market watched them

on the debt ceiling fight, not this. we've had temporary shutdowns before. it's baked in the cake. debt ceiling, october 17th, that's a much bigger deal. >> fair enough. shameless plugs. you go first. >> i'm going to just do a little empathy for the 800,000 federal workers and their families who don't know what's going to happen to them next and if you're living paycheck to paycheck, this is a bummer. >> wtop which is plain outraged federal workers today. these people do want to work. all the ranting and raving people do against them is ridiculous. >> this is latino prom week in washington. >> you call it prom week? >> so we can't get in a restaurant? >> they're basically fund-raising essentially for scholarships for young students. so it's a good organization. >> michelle. >> i am going to congratulate the black women's agenda on a fabulous symposium they held a week or two ago. it was just wonderful, looking out for the interests of black women all over the world. >> very nice, thank you all.

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