so the creator of beanie babies pleads guilty to tax evasion. we were focus on that. we want to hear your favorite childhood we had one in blue, i think. my favorite was my big wheel. i tried to run away in that sucker, i think, in 178. i didn't get far. that's why i'm here. "morning joe" starts now. ♪ i am kpat appreciated with the -- exasperated with the idea that unless i say to 20 million people you can't have health insurance, these folks will not re-open the government. that is irresponsible. we have a group of folks who think they can hold america

hostage for a ransom they can't win through an election. >> okay. there we go. >> here we go. >> 6:00 on the east coast. welcome to "morning joe." it's thursday, october 3. the government is still shut down. with us on set, the chairman of deutsch incorporated, donny deutsch. i love donny. >> unfortunately not furloughed. we tried. >> it is not a joke. vice president executive editor of msnbc.com richard wolf. >> good morning. >> good morning. in washington, former white house press secretary and msnbc contributor robert gibbs. very serious. and chief foreign affairs -- >> it just keeps going on. >> andrea mitchell. great to have her on. >> what an amazing show. that was crazy stuff. >> did you get any flak? >> i was getting phone calls

last night late. i mean -- >> different from the phone calls you usually get late? >> these are different. unfortunately these were about politics. i'm not interested in that. >> get ready for another show. >> anyway, we asked -- and i want to -- i felt kind of bad. a liberal felt outnumbered, right, for the first time? >> uh-huh. >> i called karl. i said, i feel bad. you come on the show expecting there to be one conservative and 27 liberals. >> what did he say? >> can't come on the show tomorrow, i'm having breakfast with eric cantor. >> that's unbelievable. stop now. >> didn't he call him a nazi? >> donny would have. >> why is your hair pointing to the north pole like mine? only one pompadour on set. >> it's hero worship.

>> okay. there is way too much going on for you two to talk about hair. >> come on, man. >> carl bernstein doesn't need our help. he handled himself great. >> load ed. >> a living legend.watergate th carries you. >> you can ride that for a while. >> you should try to get some. >> baseball. >> no, no. >> it's october, baby. come on: a lot of people were cheering. go rays! >> should i clean out my purse? how are we doing? >> there are more people rooting for the red sox than texas. >> that's true. >> i hated to see it last night. >> cleveland had a great season. they ended on a huge run. francona would have gone to

boston to take on his old team as manager of the indians. didn't work out. >> okay, geez. >> dogs and cats sleeping together. i never get tired of saying that. >> it was billed as a top meeting. first time congressional leaders would meet with the president. >> you're going to talk, right? >> when we bond it's nice. as a family, right? we disagree a lot. all right. in the end, speaker john boehner characterized the evening meeting at the white house as little more than a polite conversation with no headway. president obama reiterated that he won't negotiate over his signature health care bill. earlier in the day in an interview with cnbc's john harwood, the president spoke about his relationship with republicans and commented on the looming debt ceiling showdown. >> during the course of my presidency, i have bent over backwards to work on the

republican party and have purposely kept my rhetoric down. i'm pretty well known, i think, for being a calm guy. >> wall street has been calm about this. the reaction i would say generally speaking has been washington fighting, washington posturing, yadda, yadda, yadda. >> this time is different. they should be concerned. when you have a situation in which a faction is willing potential potentially potentially defaulting on u.s. obligations we are in trouble. if they are willing to do it now, they will be willing to do it later. >> despite the president's re few sal to negotiate many republican lawmakers who backed re peel ing obama care are feeling pressure to get something. here's what one congressman, marlon stutzman had to say. >> we won't be disrespected.

we have to get something out of this. i don't know what that is. you know, if the president comes out and says, i'm taking full responsibility for the aca and there is a way to go forward without republican support and he says, republicans need something out of this, i don't know. throw the keystone pipeline, economic growth policy. then republicans b will be talking. but he doesn't -- he's not even engaged. republicans will sit still. i think we should sit still until he starts counteroffering. >> what would that be, joe? >> we should ask te ted cruz. >> respect. >> he was asked. >> it's about respect. >> come on. government shutdown? it's not like robert gibbs -- the president said it from the very beginning. you had republicans, robert

gibbs, like myself, like charles krauthammer, like scott walker, like paul ryan saying, don't do it. don't do it, guys. don't do it. unless you have an end game. it's like colin powell. you don't go to war until you know what the end game is. what's the triggering event for the troops to come out? you shouldn't shut down the government unless a couple of days later you're going, wait, we need something for this. >> yeah. i think we need a right-handed pitcher and a policy to be named later. this is crazy. we're at a point where republicans wanted a certain spend ing level in a continuing resolution for two months. that's the spending level that we're at. that's the sequester spending level. so we got here via compromise. harry reid was right when he said john boehner can't take yes for an answer. >> b robert, let me ask you this

question. listen, i will say it right here. i have said it all along. it's republicans' fault. if i were the president i wouldn't negotiate. i would sit there and just let them come to me. it's a temporary bill. that said, this is what i want you to break down for the viewers. >> mm-hmm. >> what is the risk that the president holds -- because we just showed a congressman. there are 435. in 20 years nobody will be writing about them individually but they will write about barack obama's broken washington. that has to be pressure. the legacy. this isn't what the president wants to be remember ed for. what are some of the dangers on the president's side and what does he and his staff need to be worried about so they are not too clever by half? >> first of all, joe, i don't think they will say this is barack obama's broken washington. they may talk about washington

being broken, but the notion that it's the cause of one president, think, is fairly ludicrous. >> i know, but we think of the '90s as bill clinton's. we think of the '80s as reagan's. that's the way historians think of it. >> these are the obama years. >> i'm not placing blame. >> you're getting close. >> i'm really not placing blame. i have said clearly the republicans should not have done this. this is the republicans' fault. but barack obama doesn't want to spend eight years like this. >> well, i think the biggest danger, in all honesty to the president is if he does flinch and negotiate which is why i don't think he lchl there are 435 members of congress. this is largely driven by one senator and 40 members of

congress. out of representative s and senators in washington, let's say 41 to 50 are driving this train. >> yeah. >> if 41 to 50 can drive the train to negotiate as everyone said over a policy passed by the house and senate, signed by the president, validated by the supreme court and the presidential election, i don't know where that would stop. certainly i think the white house will evaluate each and every day where they are in this scenario and what sort of external pressure, quite frankly is on both sides. i think the biggest concern for them honestly is getting into a hostage negotiation with republicans. >> okay. that's fair enough. there is no doubt this will be remembered as the ted cruz shutdown. >> o yeah. >> i have never seen one member more responsible for what's going on in the house and the

senate. you know, maybe that helps him in 2016. >> i don't know. i want to ask andrea about this. it will be the ted cruz shutdown. bigger picture, obama years. politico is reporting, andrea, at a closed door lunch republicans confronted senator ted cruz to explain a way out of the budget impasse. at one point he was reportedly asked point blank if he would renounce attacks on republican senators from the senate conservatives fund, a group that's aligned itself with him. cruz said he would not. one senator in attendance told politico, quote, it was evident to everyone in the room that cruz doesn't have a strategy. he never had a strategy adding, i just wish the 35 house members that brought the snake oil that was sold could witness what was witnessed today at lunch. in an interview with ezra klein,

grover nor quist -- >> i love grover. liberals hate him. i love the guy. willie, you know he was defending ted cruz. >> right? >> sort of. i don't know. >> what did he say? >> republicans were united in wanting to repeal obama care. >> right. >> but that senator cruz went after legislators who didn't follow his strategy adding -- he accused cruz of, quote, pushing house republicans into traffic and wandering away. >> he does have a strategy, ted cruz. >> what's going on? >> ted cruz's strategy is he wants to be either a presidential nominee or part of the presidential process. he has no strategy to get along, make friends and produce legislation in the senate. for senators who think a

freshman comes in, makes friends and tries to work with his own party if not people across the aisle, this is not his strategy. he is now well known and doing well in fund-raising and well known with the base and in texas. his strategy is all about 2016. has nothing to do with getting anything done in the senate. i was on "morning joe" at 6:00 in the morning the day after his first appearance on "meet the press" in january. he had just been elected and he was trashing everyone else and being very rude to chuck schumer who was saying, my new colleague from texas, the gentleman from texas,the morning before. i said this is a different kind of senator. he then came up to me at a washington dinner a week later and said i was rude to him on "morning joe." this guy has a completely different strategy than almost anyone we have seen come to washington. >> no doubt. >> it's working for him so far. >> the thing is, willie, people

on set yesterday said it's working for him. it's not working for him. this is a fast starter, going out like this is a great way to start. it's not a good way to end. when you have ever republican in the senate and republican uhs in the house angry because there is no strategy. like grover said, pushed him in the middle of the street. >> yeah . >> it's not like "the wall street journal" and other conservatives department want him. >> it's telling that you had senators rushing to call politico after the lunch to give them a blow by blow. >> they are fed up. >> it wasn't staff. it was senators. >> one said this was never about strategy for cruz. it's about him. i think that sums up the way a lot of his colleagues feel about him. i'm not sure he cares. >> he doesn't. >> he's not a career politician. he came to make change, shake up washington. he's hearing from constituents, conservative groups, on twitter

that the he's fighting the good fight. he's t not going to step back. >> as long as he's led by twitter i'm sure he'll find the right direction. i hear what you're saying about ted cruz. we all agree he's taken his party off the edge of the cliff. but people had to follow him. they had to give him the space to do this and say, yeah, we'll be complicit in this. it's not just 30, 40 house republicans. it is the rest of the caucus saying we are afraid of these people, of what they represent and we'll follow them. who is leading whom here? what is the responsibility of the leadership when they are following a senator who has no strategy? where are the people who guard the brand and the strategy and the values of the republican party? >> there is nobody left on capitol hill that guards the brand. there is nobody. i know this will shock people and i will get blasted.

i kind of -- >> i know you're doing it. >> i am. i tried to guard the brand and i have for the past five years. when people like glenn beck call the president of the united states racist. when you have republican presidential candidates i'm predicting in real time in politico columns will destroy the republican brand. there is nobody though. there is no colin powell. they have been driven from the party. there is no james baker there these days. there is nobody to call people into the room. that's the problem. let me tell you what's happened here. tell these guys. 30-second commercials raise a lot of money on the side. this is the new washington. not through the party. they ran 30-second commercials where they sold snake oil saying let's stop obama care. if tom coburn doesn't want to stop obama care then the guy

with the most conservative rating over the past decade is a liberal and he's a rhino and he hates america. that's what they saw time and again. that's the pressure they feel. >> we have to toe the line between notoriety and success. we see it. this is the honey boo-boo of washington. >> oh, lord. >> you're going to get cameras. >> honey boo-boo of washington. seriously? >> it is. >> no! >> what's stunning about this is where is the chris christie? where is the future of the party who stands up? >> it will be easier for them to emerge at this point. >> saying this is not what the american people. >> by the way, is this not the best thing politically that's ever happened to chris christie? a guy at 72% in new jersey, plus 20 with women. a pro life guy. a conservative. is this not -- willie, it's

amazing. he gets things done and he talks the to democrats. >> to answer your question, has been talking about it. we played the clip at an event. he said, these guys -- talking about republicans -- these guys are fools. this is a disaster. their strategy is a disaster. he's separating himself. i'm a washington outsider. i have nothing to do with these guys, with this strategy. >> he's got to get up front. this is a huge marketing opportunity for any republican who can understand the general election. >> this is obvious. >> there are a lot of guys out there. the thing about cruz, he's a sarah palin. there is a difference between a media star. he makes good television. gives good quotes, reads good books like "green egg s & ham" but this is a guy that will never win in the suburbs of philadelphia or virginia. >> the i-4 corridor. >> it is a mathematical demographic certainty. >> i wrote this about sarah

palin back in november of 2010 when she was first place in polls. i wrote it about herman cain and every other front runner. ted cruz will never win in the i-4 corridor. cruz will never win in the philadelphia suburbs. cruz will never win where republicans have to win to win national elections. we have seen this story so many times before. >> i bet he 's in the lead in the iowa caucuses now. i don't disagree that he's the honey boo-boo of washington but that series is on tv because people in america watch it. >> i watch it. >> this is 30 to 40 republicans that they believe and probably are in many ways are speaking for the hard-core republican base that are leading those that frankly just aren't strong enough. if they step out of line will be beaten in a primary.

ted cruz may be doing this in a way that doesn't win a general election. my guess is his numbers are through the roof with republicans in early presidential primary states. >> willie? >> so the house yesterday was trying to pass piecemeal bills to decide which piece of the government to keep open. these are two narrow spending bills funding the national park service and the national institute of health. senator reid pushed back against the notion that democrats need to pick and choose which parts of the government to fund. >> you all talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials. the house is presumably going to pass a bill that funds at least the nih. given what you said, will you at least pass that and, if not, aren't you playing the same political games republicans are? >> what right do they have to pick and choose which parts of government can be funded? it is obvious what's going on

here. talk about reckless and irresponsible. wow. what this is all about is obama care. >> if you can help one child who has cancer why wouldn't you do it. >> why put one against the other? >> why would we want to do that? i have 1100 people at nulles air force base sittinging home. they have problems of their own. to have someone of your intelligence suggest such a thing -- >> i'm just asking -- >> irresponsible. >> reid took heat for saying why would we want to do that? some people took it as saying why save a kid with cancer? >> i saw the clip. my impression wasn't that he didn't like kids with cancer but more than democrats should keep him from the microphone. >> he wrote republicans have accused me of not caring about kids with cancer. shameful. he was responding to what chuck

schumer chimed in there. >> just stop, everybody . >> they're trying to spin for harry reid. the fact is i know harry reid loves kids with cancer and all kids. his wife is battling cancer, okay? keep reid away from the microphone. i have to say this is -- republicans passed a bill to fund nih and democrats now have a choice. they passed a bill to fund d.c. now democrats have a choice. they will pass a bill that funds vet services. now democrats have a choice. we'll see if that strategy sticks or not. richard wolffe i guess you, unlike me, think democrats should just reject those measures. >> no. i think republicans should be talking about debt and deficit and not campaigning by snippet and stunt.

that's what they are doing. if they are serious about government, wanting to take control of government and do things that speak to their va e values they need to talk about deficit. they're talking about nih, national parks. this is small politics when we are looking at default. >> turn the page. >> hold on. if you are a mother or a father with a child in one of the clinical trials and the republicans have passed a bill to fund nih do you not think the democrats should probably -- >> or wic or -- >> why does it have to be all or nothing? why can't we help kids with cancer? >> these choices were put on us by 40 republicans. >> the all or nothing aspect of this is. i mean this crisis isn't static. no police call crisis is.

if democrats want funding for national institutes of health, for parks, for washington, d.c., they now have vehicles to do it. they can pass it in the senate this morning. the president can sign it by noon and the national institutes of health will be funded and the parks will be re-opened. >> uh-huh. >> that will happen. it may sound like a stunt -- a political stunt. >> which it is. >> but it is not a political stunt to parents with children with cancer. >> i'm confused. for a couple of days, all i have i heard from conservatives is this is no big the deal, life is continuing on. now we find out kids with cancer are dying because of this government they have created. i'm confused. >> they fixed it, didn't they? so now it's up to the democrats but you have no answer for this. i understand it. you have no answer. >> democrats could fund nih by 9:00 this morning if they rushed in, approved it by voice vote and the president signed the

bill. by 9:00 or 10:00. >> i have an answer. >> okay. >> the answer is do you know what? we are not budging on obama care. this has been passed every which way. >> they know that. >> you can pass nih this morning without talking about obama care. >> i'm t not going to let the republican stunt and exploit children with cancer. we eel pass this bill. you want to get three, four, five, six, seven, fine. let's get back to business. call them out instead of saying, no, we are not the doing it piecemeal. do it. i have no problem with that. >> i don't either. >> take the wind out of their sails. >> it shows flexibility. >> and points the wind in the right direction. >> there are parents probably watching who are impacted by this. take care of it. it helps to be flexible. okay. we'll pass this. now what about people on food stamps going hungry?

>> yeah. >> i think this all or nothing approach is a mistake. but, you know, i'm a republican. maybe i'm just absolutely wrong. maybe the president should keep his feet -- >> certainly on the better side of this. >> we are way past time here. isn't there some upside here for the president saying, okay, listen, great. let's fund the national institutes of health. let's re open the parks. the holocaust museum. let's take care of vets. now what are we going to do about people who are hungry who need food stamps, et cetera, et cetera. >> joe, how about we put a clean funding bill on the house floor and see how many people vote for it? we can then have a negotiation while the government is open and the debt ceiling has been raised? what about the west virginia family whose father and son are going into the mine shaft today

but the mine inspectors are laid off? and the chicken processing plant in north carolina for health and safety inspections not being done today. >> i understand that. >> we could go line by line through the budget and go through every function or put a clean funding resolution at republican spending levels on the floor now. i bet you think that would pass. >> it would. no doubt about it. >> let's do that. how come that's not cooler heads prevailing. >> that's not happening today though. >> why is it not happening? >> because the republicans. because of ted cruz. you're not getting an argument from me on causation. you're not. i know a lot of people aren't really smart out there and will see a five-second clip and suggest -- i'm not blaming the republicans and i feel sorry for them because they should have paid more attention in school. they wouldn't be so easily confused by 140 character statements. but in this case, democrats have

a chance to take care of the children with cancer that democrats were talking about two days ago. they have a chance. i think it shows flexibility and shows the president to be the bigger man in washington. what do i know, willie? >> it uh just shows -- >> i'm watching mika cool herself down. >> don't you think it's time to go? >> is that product placement? >> no. >> by the way, i know we are going to tease. this is bigger not smaller. >> it's just time to go. >> talking about tax reform, entitlement re form as a condition -- >> oh, my god. >> it's a temporary c.r. it's not even a year-long c.r., please. you are not going to get the missile defense plan in this. >> i don't know what to do. >> coming up we have senator claire mchas kel joining the conversation.

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sunrise over new york city. 31 past the hour. time to look at the morning papers from our parade of papers. the washington post. novelist tom clancy died yesterday in his hometown of baltimore. an insurance salesman who wrote on the side clancy attracted attention with his first book "the hunt for red october." 17 of his novels went to the new york times bestseller list. he has 100 million in print. his famous cia man jack ryan was portrayed by some of hollywood's biggest stars. clancy was 66. >> the usa today three top investors at microsoft are pressing bill gates to step down as chairman of the investors

held 5% of the stock and say his presence is hindering innovation. they are concerned about his role on the committee responsible for finding a replacement for steve balmer. >> the independent, a rare outbreak of giant killer wasps in china left 41 people dead and 1600 injured. many others suffered from shock and kidney failure after being stung. the government has set up specialized medical centers to handle the increase ing numbers of attacks. >> here's willie. >> let's go to chief correspondent for politico mike allen. >> good morning. >> we are talking end game here. some saying a grand bargain may be the only way out. is that realistic? >> i can tell joe loves the idea. his reaction in the tease, what republicans are saying is that a way out of the cul-de-sac, the blind alley you were talking

about the other day will be to combine negotiations and do something big taking in social security, medicare, spending levels, tax reform. now, yesterday speaker boehner brought the idea up and the result was what the result was around the table there. a democratic aide said everyone laughed because they have heard it before. as you got into a more complicated negotiation, paul ryan, the budget chair, someone respected by conservatives who can sell things to the part of the caucus of most trouble to the speaker will be more involved. someone the party could take seriously, that would ape help. >> the response was if you want to talk b about a grand bargain, fine. let's get through this and talk

about that. >> they are not going to make the deal. the debt ceiling is what jack lou and others in the administration, the president told them yesterday. that's what they are concerned about. when you realize what the republicans have won they are talking about a continuing resolution based on the sequester which was supposed to be the worst possible choice. it's already much lower than the spending levels democrats wanted. >> what we wanted was that the president's even looking past the battle. he wants to rebalance the powers between the white house and congress. he says he won't let it happen on his watch. not just for him but for future presidents. >> all this two weeks from today we reach the debt limit. mike allen with a look at the playbook. thanks. >> have a great day. coming up, coach rick patino joins us.

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welcome back to "morning joe." here with us the head coach for the university of louisville's men's basketball team rick pitino. he has a book "how the to add value to every minute of your life" and author of the book "coaching the streets". >> look at this. >> digger phelps. my kid's in the street. >> coaching the streets. >> welcome. good to see you. >> and you. >> congratulations on the national championship. >> thank you. >> ready to reload? >> we have a nice team coming back. there are so many great teams. you have kentucky, kansas, michigan state. >> talk about the junior college kid. what's his name? chris jones, point guard? >> yeah. come on, rick. >> already breaking down the season. he's ready to go. >>. >> he's done good. >> coach. you have coached at every level there is to coach. nba division one. how different is the college

game now for you to coach when you know if you have the best kid in the country as you often do you have him for one, two years maybe. you have the to approach the program differently. >> we are different than football. football and baseball have the right system. >> yeah. the nba doesn't want high school kids anymore. they want kids more emotionally mature. the veterans could hang around longer. the colleges really don't want one and done. it's basically a seven-month education. so we are almost polar opposites now with what we are trying to do. >> here's the sport, willie. i'm a huge kentucky fan. my parents both went oh u.k. we love you even though you are wearing the wrong color. a couple of years ago they had an amazing team. they have a kid in there for the seven months. it's hard for me to invest when i know, you know, if kentucky recruits a great team they will be gone in a year. >> but the nba has to change it with the players association. if they go to the baseball rule

which is if you go to college you are there for three years. even if you don't play you have three years to wait until you are three years -- >> what are they doing? two? >> i don't know. we would love two as a coaching association. the best scenario. jim delaney said let kids go out of high school. the nba doesn't want that. the nba wants no part of that. >> seven months isn't fair to the school, to the fans. >> it's not to take a shot at kentucky. kentucky is the best at doing that. if you're a one and done kid. >> you would never as a louisville i coach. we know you love kentucky. >> i won a title. >> i know we did. it's hard to follow a team that you know will be falling apart in months. >> what was the thing that stuck out about kentucky you remember? senior night. you had happy chandler, the baseball commissioner singing

"my old kentucky home" in a wheelchair. the only seniors you have are managers. >> talk about siva. >> three years. >> coach, let me ask you. it's in the book obviously. why did uh you take the celtics job? what did it teach you? >> money! >> what did it teach you about a fundamental aspect oaf sports and life losing. >> you know, the celtics is one of the greatest traditions in sports. i attended u-mass. i had two children born there. i coached at boston university. the thing i didn't do, i left a fabulous job. money is a factor. but i had more than enough money at kentucky. the thing you didn't realize is you banked everything on getting tim duncan. they won 15 games intentionally to get the number one or two. we had two picks in the top six. you look at the percentages. a 28% b chance of getting it.

8% chance they get duncan. >> so what is the one-day contract? talk about the book. >> two years ago i made a decision to go into broadcasting. i meet with an agent and say, i'm coaching 32 years, eight years professional basketball. i'm now 108 years old. i go home to my wife b and say, you can't live without the sport. you are on the phone until 1:00 in the morning, watching nba games through the night. yeah, but as a broadcaster you do it. she said, it's not the same for you. you love to bonn the court. it's not the same. i thought about it, went home and said, i will re brand the whole thing.

i had been at louisville. we'll do everything louisville first. we put in billboards. play for the name on the front, not the name on the back. i start writing it longhand. i lost my best friend and brother-in-law in 9/11. john conkak from the hawks a contract. my brother-in-law and i were t were at a tovrn and said he's averaging two points a game. they said he it's based on potential. he ace averaging two points. on wall street we are as good as our last trade. one bad trade and we are done. so i thought of the day one-day contract. everything i did is based on one day. the night before, i prepare. the way i coached, the way i network. from being positive. not all coaches are positive and i'm not but i'm striving to be. with everything i do, the way i focus.

i told the players you are on a one-day scholarship. we did it the whole year. you are on a one-day scholarship. how good would you be? chapter 3 deals with the trap of technology. i asked my guys, okay, how many hours a day are you on social network. they told me and of course will understate it. four hours a day. the junior college player says, all day. out of the four hours, are you impacting doing anything constructive? the absolutely not. why not take an hour, go in the gym, take another extra hour, go with your academics. the trap of technology, it is addictive. people in restaurants, i see a couple on an ipad. three young children. they are on their ipad and texting the whole meal. i said look what's going on. at the end i said, great family dinner, huh? as i walked out. they looked at me and said, thank you very much.

they didn't know my new york r sarca sarcasm. >> unbelievable. >> they didn't talk for an hour. it deals with being the best you can be. >> it's like a one-day contract here. >> i thought you were going to say you looking at porn all day. it's a joke! that is though. we would be fired actually. oh, wait, it's not too late. that's amazing though. it's a great way to b look at things. >> it made me better. he left coaching early. when you cross 60 you don't know how long you will coach. >> right. >> you want to get the most out of it. your window of opportunity is closing. you want to get the most out of every day. >> that's amazing. coaching the streets, man. >> two years ago we get back in the final four. all of the sudden i find out the

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♪ it's a very limited economic impact from this shutdown. >> right. >> i don't know how many millions of dollars a day it's costing, but it's not that big a deal economically. >> the reality is the vast majority of americans will notice absolutely nothing about a government shutdown. >> another thing gop leadership needs to do is remind the public this is not armageddon. this is a pinprick. >> yes, a government shutdown is no more damaging to the economy than a pinprick, okay? for instance, here's the economy. here's the shutdown. see ? [ applause ] >> welcome back to "morning joe." look at the beautiful shot of the sun rising over new york city. joining the table this hour, we have the host of msnbc's "hard ball" and author of "tip and the gipper, when politics worked".

chris matthews, an msnbc political analyst, former democratic congressman haywahaywarrold -- >> he's a professor, baby. >> and from the national journal group ron fornier and former press secretary under president clinton, dee dee myers. >> she's been through a shutdown. >> but that one meant something. >> it was a great shutdown. those were the days. when a shutdown was a shutdown, dee dee myers. >> at least it was about budget issues. >> i was thinking about that. it was very specific. you know, just stop asking us to keep funding government at this level with deficits going up until you agree to balance the budget in seven years. it was very specific. >> don't forget medicare. >> at the end of the day, yeah, exactly. democrats had to demagogue medicare when it was going bankrupt and we saved it.

we ended up not only with a shutdown. we had a fight. but we came together and balanced the budget. >> it was a good shutdown, man. chris matthews is here. >> it was a long one. >> it was long, man. >> let's get news in here. >> i was sweating. >> we'll let these guys go. it was billed as a big meet ing. the first time top congressional leaders met the president since the shutdown began. in the end speak er john boehner characterized the evening meeting at the white house as little more than a polite conversation with no headway. president obama reiterated he won't negotiate over his signature health care bill. he spoke about his relationship with republicans and talked about the looming debt ceiling showdown as well. >> during the course of my presidency i have bent over backwards to work with the

republican party. and have purposely kept my et rhetoric down. i think i'm well known for being a calm guy. >> wall street has been calm about this. washington fighting, washington posturing, yadda, yadda. is that the way to look at it? >> no. this time is different. they should be concerned. when you have a situation in which a faction is willing potentially to default on u.s. government obligations then then we are in trouble. if they are willing to do it now they will be willing to do it later. >> what was your big takeaway? >> the president drew a firm line that he will negotiate but not until he get as clean c.r.

that extend s government funding, re-opens the government and extend s the debt limit. that's a hard thing for speak er boehner to do. but the president is determined. he'll stick to it. given the fact that the democrats are far more united than the republicans are, he's likely to get what he wants. >> john harwood brings up the democrats are more united. yesterday a remarkable scene in the senate. you have been around a long time. they have a private meeting, stand up and said to cruz, okay, what's your plan. you got us here. you ran the commercial for months. what's your exit strategy? they all came out and couldn't wait to tell reporters uh how clueless he was on how to save the party from this mess. >> this could go on weeks. the president knows it will end up with the debt ceiling.

this is a prelude. it's dangerous. we can't break the debt ceiling. we can't default and make america -- it's a good safety record, not a good one. somewhere along the line there has to be a divorce between the hard right led by ted cruz and most of the republican party. most of it. can't just be a third of it. that deal could be brokered by the guys if they were grown-ups. ted cruz has a different ambition here than boehner. boehner has a job. he's a constitutional officer like the president. it's up there. he's got to run the country somehow. cruz has a 2016 plan probably. he's really a short-term guy. he can send word to boehner i'm releasing my delegates. i have made the point.

time for you to govern. i i'm not going to attack you for governing. >> the longer this go, harold ford, the more it hurts ted cruz. this is the ted cruz shutdown down now. >> no doubt about it. no denying it. ted cruz is responsible for the shutdown for good or ill. most americans think for ill. >> i don't think there is a doubt. the releasing of delegates using the terminology politicians respond. you have heard republicans argue maybe it's time for the president to offer keystone pipeline, corporate tax cut. whatever it might take some incentive to bring republicans over. if you are in the republican position, we have heard it on the show. what incentive do they have. i was talking with ceos and investors across the pond in the last few days.

not only are they laughing, it shows real concern. to chris's point their biggest and only fear is the debt ceiling. we find ourselves in unknown territory. we can talk about shutdown. we have never been close to where we are talking about going on october 17. >> in the closed door lunch with ted cruz they said he has no evident exit strategy. >> that's scary. grover norquist chimed in saying republicans were obviously united in wanting to repeal obama care. but senator cruz was wrong in attacking legislators who didn't follow his strategy. he accused cruz of, quote, pushing house republicans into traffic and wandering away.

>> that's a good explanation. >> grover said that? >> yes, grover on cruz. >> want to make sure. >> the mystery is why anyone thought he had a strategy or exit strategy or end game. it never made sense. the house republican extremists as i call them never had leverage to accomplish what they wanted to accomplish. what did they think would force the president to defund or delay obama care? they didn't have votes in the house, in the senate. they didn't have public opinion on their side. the supreme court hadn't endorsed it. there was a receive ren dumb. >> dee dee, go through that one more time. i'm serious. do it again. say it again. >> they didn't have a majority -- >> go. >> they didn't have a majority in the house. they didn't have a majority in the senate. they didn't have the white house, the supreme court or public opinion. even though public opinion is divided on obama care, 70% of americans said they didn't want it defunded by shutting down the

government. so where was the leverage? i don't understand how anyone could have gotten behind ted cruz's strategy or lack of strategy without any -- it's simple machiavellian politics. you have to get your leverage either way. >> all these people going rhino, rhino, tom coburn is a i liberal. no. this is b about strategy. tell robert e. lee, the whole thing about running up the hill into gunfire, bad idea. lee would say, you just hate the south, my friend. this is not about a love of conservativism. this is about being dumb or smart. >> oh, no. >> if you talk to republicans and conservatives who supported ted cruz from the beginning they were banking on the president blinking. they thought since he put a delay on the employer mandate if they pushed him into a corner and got up against the deadline he would back down. he said he won't back down. ron, two weeks from today we hit the debt ceiling.

what changes between now and today? if the president won't move and it doesn't look like republicans in the house or ted cruz and his group in the senate will move. now they are talking about attaching entitlement reforms and reforms to the tax code to raising the debt ceiling. what changes in the next two weeks? >> i don't know. i'm afraid they will send us over the cliff. this is not looking good. i will disagree with one thing. cruz did have a strategy to build his e-mail list and national profile. he doesn't care what happens to the party, to the country. joe, do republicans not stop and think about the precedence being set ? i assume they hope a republican would be back in the white house and maybe get something accomplished and won't want the minority party able to use a debt limit to undercut and relitigate over and over again everything they have accomplished? >> by the way, ron, that's a great question. there are a lot of members that just came in 2010 and said we don't want to talk to people who

have been through this before. that's like saying we don't want to talk to the soldiers who have been through the jungles who were ambushed and shot. i said during impeachment, you know what, you guys are acting like there will never be a republican president ever again. hold bill clinton by the same standard that you would hold the republican president. i did. i voted for two articles and against articles. i got primed because of it, but these guys don't think a republican will ever be in the white house again. they are acting that way. >> this is what's wrong with politics today. we all act -- including the media -- like every day is born anew. there is no context, no history and no future. if republicans could look beyond the next election cycle they would see what they are doing is bad for the country and for the party. >> john boehner had a good run. he held a fractious party

together. why not take a chance and tell the republicans, i'm going out. i'm going to put a clean c.r. on the bill. i dare you to vote me out of office. i'm more interested in saving this country and saving this party than saving my political -- if it's true eric cantor is waiting. >> i don't know. just -- it's hard to do this. all the anger and all the emotion and ideology out and assume these people were smart. why doesn't boehner understand you can't ask obama for his baby. in a kidnapping you grab the baby and ask for the money. this one they are grabbing the money and asking for the baby. you can't ask a parent for their baby. they will never give it to you. >> it would be like tip o'neal demanding reagan's tax cuts. >> on a debt ceiling.

reagan would have died. >> i told you it was the pineapple thing and the cactus. >> let's not do that again. >> you can't ask a guy for his soul. obama, he was the first african-american president. that's a done deal. that won't change. the thing that made him is he did what the clintons couldn't do. the greatest politicians. he gave it to 40 million people. he got it for them. 40 million people waiting in the emergency room. nobody talks about that. the person who gets up at 6:30, catches the bus, isn't making enough money, doesn't have a contract. is barely working because it's hard to get a job and they can't get health care. the kids are sick so they go to the e. r. and sit for two, three hours. it's important. >> dee dee myers, chris matthews is right. hi 's bringing in some of of the emotion of it i. so let's be machiavellian about it. drain the emotion. he's right. barack obama would never give up

obama care any more than reagan would give up the tax cuts or lbj would give up the great society. it was never going to happen. >> right. >> even the most conservative writers from the wall street journal to charles krauthammer knew it. >> what made boehner think he would give it up. >> i don't think he thought he would. >> i think he's running scared constantly. >> boehner has a caucus that's divided. he has a big chunk of the members operating according to different incentives. in some ways the gop is a victim of its own success. they outplayed democrats in redistricting fights for the last two re districting periods. now they have many, many republicans in completely safe districts with 70% republicans. they are not accountable to the political system. they are not afraid of oh losinging the next election. that's not going to change. john boehner understands regular incentives that shape the behavior of the caucus are all

skewed all over the place. he didn't think it was a good idea. that was clear. he almost looked like a hostage on b camera saying the words he had to say when he knew it was nuts. one reason why many say the shutdown negotiation will be worse than 1995, harold, more republicans are protected by gerks e gerymadon gerymandered districts. 79 of the 236 house republicans served during the last shutdown resided in districts that clinton won in 1992. now 17 of the 232 house republicans are in districts that obama won in 2012. >> this is impacting the way policy played out. the question i have for ron, building on that, assume we get to october 15, 16, 17:

do you believe if congress hasn't voted to raise the debt ceiling president obama may exercise his presidential prerogative to raise the debt ceiling on his own if he believes we may breach the court of appeal and create reverberations across the global economy? >> i am far short of being a lawyer. if there is a way of doing that, he's got to be looking at that. he has to understand that this is definitely ted cruz's shutdown. it's barack obama's era. whether he likes it or not he does own this era. he is partly responsible not for the shutdown but for this whole era of gridlock and nothing getting done. he need s to figure a way not out of this crisis but how do we tackle big issues like runaway entitlements and gun control and immigration and get back to getting something done. otherwise he'll be saddled with that. i would look to get away from

this as soon as i could. i would not blink and give my baby away. i think chris is right. if i could get away with averting this on my own, not only a good idea but i'm sure the american people would be as well. they want to move on and get the stuff that matters. >> it would take the authority away from congress. >> it would help obama and the next president. we can't have presidents be held hostage. it's not right. >> thank you very much, ron. chris matthews, dee dee, stick around if you can. still ahead we'll talk to democratic senator claire mchaskell and congressman jeb hensarling. nancy gibbs is here to reveal the cover which declares majority rule to be dead in the u.s. congress. and chuck todd joins the conversation. this is "morning joe." [ bird chirping ]

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. 22 past the hour. a live look at the white house. with us now chief white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. managing editor of "time" magazine nancy gibbs. the new issue is a special report on the government shutdown. chris matthews and dee dee myers still with us. majority rule crossed out on the cover. >> it's such a moment to pick up where you were before about the sense of history. this is a country that likes checks and balances. it keeps anything crazy from happening. when you have all checks and no balance i guarantee something crazy happens. if the only way anything can get done, all of the things you have been talking about on immigration reform or a farm bill. if the only way it happens is if one party controls all three branches of government that's only happened in a third of the

congresses since world war ii. if that's what it takes for anything to pass, then we are so deadlocked where we are right now. the idea of majority rule which is so much where this down uh tri was born. it's not about the general. it's about the majority rule but the minority protect ed. now we are in a position where if the minority has all the power. >> dee dee myers listed five things that happened that would prove that the president would never budge on health care. we knew it was his signature legislation. we knew during the jobs crisis to add to your point, chris, everyone was complaining why isn't he focused on b jobs? he's still clinging to health care. he rammed it through, got it done. why, chuck todd, would he at this point negotiate anything on health care? >> he's not going to. >> why would the republicans think he would revisit the question? >> i think -- you know, you're a victim of history.

i think they look at what happened in 2011. they did get him to negotiate. they got him to negotiate on the debt ceiling. i think in their minds they do that. a few things they have miscalculated -- well, a lot, i think. i don't know if boehner miscalculated. boehner got forced into this, but the biggest thing they miscalculated is the president isn't up for re election. the biggest difference between this shutdown and 1995 and the crisis in 2011 is you don't have to president worried about re election. clinton was worried about re election. >> this is great. >> at the end of the day they had that. this time, they lose five points in the polls, they don't care. that's something boehner, i think, didn't count on. >> this is obvious -- >> well, boehner did but i don't think the conservatives count on it. >> that was smart. president kennedy couldn't get

out of vietnam until he was re-elected. lbj had to run for another term after that. you are t not free until you don't have to face the voters again. once you don't have to face them it's you and history. what does obama think about in terms of him and history? he likes to meet with his tore yans. >> not just health care. >> he has health care. >> it's breaking the tea party. i talked to somebody in the white house who said they believe they are fighting for the presidency. not president obama. not -- but maybe president christie. if they cave on this and negotiate over something like this then who is to say alan grayson, who is a fiery liberal in the house, to a republican president doesn't say, you know, what's good for the goose is good for the gander and you have the same crisis situation reversed. that's what the folks in the

west wing believe they are fighting for. >> aren't they fighting people who don't have the to worry about re election? they have to worry about re election, but not swing voters. >> this reality though that speaker boehner faces, you're the author of "tip and the gipper," looking at how others worked together in the past. why doesn't he turn to ted cruz and maybe i sound naive. put a stop to this. it's not going to work and he knows it. he's not stupid. >> i want to go to the higher principle. why are we here? we are arguing politics because it matters. we had debates in this country and somebody says, that's a good argument and it's the majority by one vote. jefferson said a majority of one is enough. you have to argue, then vote. then govern. that's your principle. when they say republicans are fighting on principle, what's the principle? to screw up a program that's been enacted?

it's not. it's self-government, respecting the voters and the offices. the system is what god gave us. that's what we have here. self-government is key. it isn't left or right. it's the right to argue left and right, decide and govern. that's the principle we ought to fight for. you don't hear the right wing saying, we lost, but i believe in the system. let's missouri on. >> dee dee. >> we no longer have a consensus, chris. we no longer have a consensus in the house that governing and government are in the best interest of the country. if we just shut down government. if we destroy it by any means necessary, that's in the best interest of the country rather than finding a way to compromise, work together, move ahead. >> dee dee, you're right. who is telling people that's right? which leader is saying, you're right. we don't need to agree. who is saying that? >> that's what ted cruz -- that's a sub text of his argument. >> one guy. >> government is broken. if we break it more that will be in the best interest of the

country. shut it down. that's why you have a lot of republicans saying, i woke up this morning. rush limbaugh, and the government shutdown didn't affect me one bit. it doesn't t matter if government is open or close ed. >> that's their way of shrinking it. >> right. >> you say it's not a principle. i think they are on principle on this. they were elected saying, go ahead, gum it up. gum it up, you slow growth. and guess what, you may get the public to see that government isn't as important to your life. once you get to that point it's easier to win the. that's the principle. let's not overlook it. >> in louisiana for 50 years, politics was entertainment. they don't know what to do down there. there are jokesters down there.

lindsey graham said we have a national security threat facing us called the shutdown. >> right. >> a user's guide to obama care. does it work? is it easy? >> it isn't easy. everyone was amazed at how large the numbers were. >> they went to health care.gov to see how it works. there is curiosity. will this do anything for me? we walked leaders through it. dee dee, thank you very much. chuck todd, see you on "the daily rundown" at 9:00 a.m. after kwoez sm"morning joe." chris, your new book "tip and

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[ laughter ] [ applause ] >> i'm sorry. i meant to say [ bleep ]. >> here with us now from capitol hill. republican congressman from texas and chair of the house financial services committee, representative jeb hensarling. >> where are we this morning, jeb, on the shutdown? >> well, i must admit, i was disappointed in what i heard from last night. it sounds like the president called in congressional leaders to reiterate yet again he's not interested in negotiating. my mother-in-law has always said the least you can do is show up. apparently right now the president isn't ready to show up and negotiate. republicans, as you know, put not one, not two but four offers on the table. we are not through negotiating but i think we are through negotiating with ourselves.

i'm hopeful they will come to the table. we want to get together and talk about ideas to get this economy moving and guess off the road to national bankruptcy. >> okay. >> in the meantime, if i could, we have offered legislation to ensure our veterans get paid, our national parks are open that nih continues to fund cancer treatments for children. the white house has issued veto threats. that's disappointing. >> what is the end game here in terms of negotiating? >> mika, i'm not sure -- >> do you expect the president to negotiate on health care? do you really think that he'll do that? >> here's what i think. democrats have been working on some form of nationalized health care with truman. if they worked on it for three generations, don't expect us to be quiet and go along and get

along and shut up after just three years. so we understand that this is the president's signature item. we put several offers on the table. the last offer is simple. if obama care is the law of the land, at least apply it equally to everybody. you know, don't give a sweetheart deal to big business and labor unions that you don't give to average working americans. don't give some kind of sweetheart deal so washington that you're not giving to constituents. if obama care is good enough for working americans, it ought the to be good enough for the president, the vice president, the cabinet and members of congress. those are two very simple items that i would hope the president would agree to. >> yeah. jeb, those are pretty clear. he has given an exemptions to so many corporations and other entities including congress. >> 1,100 at last count. >> the two big items are those items. i wonder if republicans would

accept a deal that, okay, maybe they don't get the one-year exemptions for everybody else. at least they get rid of their own exemptions which is your most powerful argument. don't exempt congress from the very law they passed. do you think that might be enough for some republican members if the president just got rid of the congressional exemptions? >> again, as i said earlier, i think we are through negotiating with ourselves. >> right. >> if there are democrats wanting to negotiate it's untenable in america. if there is one thing that upsets american s it's washington elite's passing laws that they themselves, the washington elites don't live under. i think this is a bigger question. we are in the slowest, most tepid, disappointing recovery of the modern era. one and a half to two percent gdp. tens of millions unemployed, underemployed. we feel strongly in talking to small business people in dallas,

texas, east texas and i represent obama care is a huge part of the problem. if the president won't negotiate that, i understand it. >> right. >> we've got to represent our constituents. >> all right. >> we see and hear it every day. >> we have people around the table. harold ford. >> good to talk to you, harold. >> it's been reiterated the election took place, the court declared it constitutional. congress passed it. put it aside for a moment. yesterday you met with some ceos of the bigger banks in the country. they were ex pressing concern around the debt ceiling. what message did they deliver? more importantly how did you react and try to ease some of the concerns? >> what's most important is house republicans absolutely believed that default on our bonds, on our debt is unacceptable. it hasn't happened in our history, under our watch it won't happen. house republicans have passed

hr-804, the full faith and credit act. any of the listeners, watchers can google the thing. what it says is that america will always pay its debt. it will pay the principal and interest on bonds. my constituents in the 5th district of texas do not equate payment on a bond with payment for the next "star trek" irs video, travel payments for the alabama water melon queen , pottery classes in moracco and everything else they are asked to pay for when struggling. the bottom line is we know this is a nation going bankrupt. if we don't start today we are going to leave the next generation with fewer opportunities, less freedom and a lower standard of living. everybody the in washington says, no, wait until tomorrow. we have the crisis of the moment. we can wait for tomorrow. not just as a congressman but the father of a 10-year-old son and 11-year-old daughter, we can't wait for tomorrow to deal

with the debt. there is no perfect time to do it. if you ignore the debt ceiling it is a little bit like turning off the smoke alarm when the fire start thes. no. you deal with the fire. you don't clip wires on the smoke alarm. >> congressman, donny deutsch, good to see you. >> good morning. >> you get to be king solomon here. you have two choices. you can leave obama care as it is, as harold pointed out and we all know ad nauseam from the supreme court through congress. or let the debt ceiling not be raised. you have two choices. we default or you accept bank. you can personally make the call. are you willing to default on our debt? >> i don't know if i can make it any clearer. house republicans have passed legislation to ensure there will never be default on an american bond on the full faith and credit of the united states. but that's very different from funding every single line item

in the government. when families can't make ends meet it is a different decision on whether or not you're not going to pay your monthly mortgage payment where you boar are youed money and cancelling the vacation to las vegas which you can no longer afford. when it comes to obama care -- listen, i understand it. 95% of obama care is what we call mandatory spending. so only the president is going to be able to roll back obama care. he rolled it back for 1,100 of his friends. every single week or month there is some kind of waiver. we are b looking for equal treatment under the law. >> on the congressional exemptions you mentioned, washington elites, the affordable care act, didn't you have the chance to insert that amendment a couple of years ago when the bill was being debated and, if so, why didn't you do it then? >> i think it was republicans who tried to ensure that members of congress were part of obama care. we are saying if it's good for

members of congress why isn't it good enough for the rest of the white house and for other members of the executive branch. so, you know, it's not just congress. what we do dekracry is we belie without lawful authority the obama administration decides members of congress are the only people in america to get the employer contribution in the individual pool. that's not right. it's again what drives so much cynicism about people in the heartland. >> all right. >> if that's going to be done, let's pass it as a law and not have the stroke of pen of the executive administration. >> all right. >> if obama care is the law of the land, apply it equally to everybody. >> thank you. >> thanks, jeb. >> thank you. >> up next, sarah jessica parker helped turn the brand into a household name on "sex and the city." the woman behind jimmy choo joins us next.

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>> wait! i lost my choo. >> "sex and the city's" carrie bradshaw adored or jimmy choos and this turned the shoe into a household name. the cofounder and ceo and chief creative officer is up now with the new book in my shoes. before we talk business, tell me the exact number of shoes you own. >> wow. it's about 3,000. i have been doing this for 15 years and hundreds of thousands of shoes i designed. >> almost as many as donny. >> this is a true story. several years ago at a party i met this beautiful woman and asked her out. >> that seems inappropriate.

>> it was such a brutal rejection. i think she called security. >> if you called security, really good move. >> thank you. >> talk about how this amazing story all started. your father helped you out a little bit. >> i was very young. i was 27 when i started the business with no track record in business. it was difficult to raise the financi financing. he gave me $150,000. he said that's all you get. you have to make it. three years later, he invested more. he invested $1 million for me to open three stores in america. >> now you have to pay him back with 8% interest. >> he said it's the best return on any investment he ever made. >> what made you think all this could come together. what was it like when you first in et? >> i met jimmy because as many

women remember manolo blanik was it. i found jimmy in london and he was making shoes for ladies, but really a pump or a slipping back. i would get him to make things like a metallic and studs and photograph it and give him a credit so his name became known, but there was no business. i thought that's a great platt 230er78. . >> we talked about the money your father was able to loan you, but his advice was better. don't let accountants run your business. talk about that. this business was an ongoing struggle between creative and financial. >> and having private equity. the great thing about my father

is his think outside the box. i never would have gone to the oscars if he wasn't the original investor. it was a risk and i had no commitments. it paid off. >> you also write about your mother. tell us about her and how that helped shape you in getting ready for business. >> well, i think what it made me do is back away. growing up in an alcoholic household, an addiction household that was very dis23u6r7gzal, you are tolerant to abusive behavior. it was back already. >> there so many things i can say, but cope with it, donny. >> what is it about shoes or even jewelry that hits such an

emotional nerve with women? what is it? is in my life, it hits a nerve that is rawer than raw. more raw than jewelry. >> it is so emotional. it is apparently that part of the foot is close to the excitement part of the brain. >> note to self. you hear that? >> it's taken you that long to figure that out? >> not only do you feel empower empowered, but sexier and it changes the way you stand. it's like getting a little sculpture. >> talk about the new brand. you sold your share and talk about where you are now and what you are building and creating as we sit here today. >> the most fun thing is pioneering with the new brand as

i was with jimmy choo at the time. the world of fashion has changed and the customer is way ahead of the business right now in the fashion industry and they need to catch up. i have a business model that has no seasons. i do monthly fashion concepts that go in and it's buy now wear now. you buy it today and wear it tomorrow. in the fashion business they have coats on the floor in july and spring summer dresses in january. >> that's great. >> that's the identification. you design clothes with the concept that this is the digital generation and it happens now. >> it's much more direct to the consumer now with social media. with online, you can see the fashion shows the day they happen. but it takes six months for the product to get to the store. by the time it gets there, you are bored of it now. >> the book is in my shoes.

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i am exasperated with the idea that unless i say that 20 million people, you can't have health insurance, these folks will not reopen the government. that is irresponsible. we have a group of folks who think they can hold america hostage for ransom that they can't win through an election. >>. >> it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 on the west coast. isn't that a beautiful view? so nice. you should wake up and jump out of bed. >> we had a lousy spring and complained until july 18th when winter stopped, but september was the greatest. incredib incredible. the best weather. >> fall is a plast. >> i'm glad summer is over.

back with us we have donny deutsch and richard wolf. in washington robert gibbs and andrea mitchell. it was a big meeting, the first time top leaders met the president since the shut down. coming together, right? when they bond, it's nice. it's a family. we disagree a lot. in the end, spoker boehner characterized the evening moting as little more than a polite conversation with no headway. president obama reiterated he won't negotiate over his signature bill. john har wood, the president spoke about his relationship with republicans and commented on the looming debt ceiling showdown. >> during the course of my presidency i have bent over backwards to work with the republican party and have

purposely kept my rhetoric down. i think i'm pretty well-known for being a calm guy. >> call street has been calm about this. the reaction i would say generally speaking has been washington fighting, washing posturing, yada, yada, yada. is that the right way? >> i think they should be concerned. when you have a situation, a faction is willing potentially to default on u.s. government obligations, then we are in trouble. if they were willing to do it now, they will be willing to do it later. >> despite the president's refusal to negotiate, many republican lawmakers who were backing repealing obama care are feeling pressure to get something. here's what marlin studsman had to say. >> we will not be disrespected. that's where we are at. we have to get something out of

this. i don't know what that is. if the president said i ammic taing full responsibility for the aca and there is a way this goes forward with republican support and he said republicans need something out of this, throw the keystone pipe loin or economic growth in there, then you will have republicans talking. he's not even engaged. republicans are going to -- i think we should sit still until he starts counteroffering. >> what would that something be? >> we should ask ted cruz. >> he was asked. >> it's about respect. >> it's not like robert gibbs to tell him he wasn't going to negotiate. the president said that from the beginning. you had republicans, robert gibbs. like myself, like charles and

like scott walker and paul ryan. don't do it. don't do it. guys, don't do it. unless you have an end game, it's like colin powell. you don't go to war until you know what the end game is. what is the trigger for the troops to come out, you probably shouldn't shut down the government. a couple days later, you say we need something for this. >> i think we need a right-handed pitcher and a policy to be named later. >> this is crazy. we are at a point where republicans wanted a certain spending level and a continuing resolution for two months. that's the spending level we are at. that's the sequestered spending level. we got here via compromise. harry reid said john boehner can't take yes for an answer. >> robert, let me ask you this question.

listen, i will say right here all along as republicans call, if i were the president, i wouldn't negotiate with the republicans. i would sit there and let them come to me. it's a temporary bill. that said, this is what i want you to break down for the viewers. what is the risk that the president holds -- because we showed congress men, 20 years from now, nobody will be writing about them individual low, but they will be write being barack obama in washington. that has to be a pressure. the legacy. this is not what the president wants to be remembered for. what are some of the dangers on the president's side and what does he and his staff need to be worried about? >> 50 of all, joe, i don't think they will say this is barack obama's broken washington. they may talk about washington being broken, but the notion that it's the cause of one

president is fairly ludicrous. >> we think of the 90s as bill clinton and 80s as ronald reagan's 80s. that's the way they look at things and they get elected and start thinking about it. these are the obama years. i'm not placing blame -- >> you are getting close to it. >> i'm really not placing blame. i said clearly the republicans should not have done this. this is the republicans's fault. barack obama doesn't want to spend eight years like this. >> right. i think the biggest danger in all honesty to the president is if he does flinch and negotiate which is why i don't think he will. you mention this 435 members of congress, this is largely being driven by one senator and 40 members of congress. out of 535 total representatives

and senators in washington, say 41 to 50 are driving this train. if 41 to 50 can drive this train to negotiate as everyone said over a policy that was passed by the house and the senate signed by the president and validated by the supreme court and the presidential election, i don't know where that stops. certainly i think the white house will evaluate each and every day where they are in this scenario and what external pressure is on both sides. i think the biggest concern for them honestly is getting into a hostage negotiation with republicans. >> that's fair enough. there is no doubt this will be the ted cruz shut down. i have never seen one member more responsible for what's going on in the house and the

senate. maybe that helps him in 2016. >> i don't know. i want to ask andrea about this. i agree it will be the ted cruz shut down in the bigger years, but politico is reporting that a closed door lunch, republicans confronted senator ted to explain a way out. at one point he was reportedly asked if he would renounce attacks on republican senators from the conservative front from a group that alined himself with him. cruz said he would not. one senator said it was very evident to everyone in the room that cruz doesn't have a strategy. he never had a strategy. i wish the 35 house members who brought the snake oil that was sold could witness what was witnessed at lunch. in an interview with ezra kline, grover norquist --

>> i love grover norquist. liberals hate him. hoe had to be defending ted cruz. >> sort of. he said that republicans were united in wanting to repeal obama care. that senator cruz went after legislators who didn't follow his strategy. norquist added cruz pushed house republicans into traffic and wandering away. >> he does have a strategy. >> help. what's going on? >> ted cruz's strategy is that he wants to be a presidential nominee or part of that presidential process. he has no strategy to get along and make friends and through legislation in the senate. for senators who think a freshman comes in and makes

friends and tries to work with his own party if not people across the aisle, this is not his strategy. he is well-known and doing well in fund-raising and well-known with the base in texas and his strategy is all about 2016. he has nothing to do with getting anything done in the senate. i was on "morning joe" at 6:00 in the morning the day after his first appearance on "meet the press" in january. he had just been elected and he was trashing everyone and being very rude to chuck shum schumer who was saying my new colleague from texas on "meet the press." i said this is a different kind of senator. he came up to me at a washington dinner a week later and said i was rude to him on "morning joe." this guy has a completely different strategy than anyone we have seen come to washington. it's working so far. >> people around the set

yesterday were saying this. it's not working. this is a fast start of going out like this. this is a great way to start. not a good way to end. when you have everyone republican in the senate and republicans in the house angry because there is no strategy. like grover said, pushed him out in the middle of the street and it's not like the "wall street journal" and so many others didn't want him. >> it's telling that you had senators rushing and give him a blow by blow of what happened. >> senators and the staff. senators. >> one said this has never been about strategy for cruz. it's about him. that sums up the way his colleagues feel about him. i'm not sure he cares. he is not a career politician. he came to shake-up washington. he is not interested because he is hearing from constituents and conservative groups that he's fighting the good fight.

he's not going to step back. >> as long as he is led by twitter, i'm sure he will find the right direction. >> i hear you i saing that. >> we all agree he has taken his posse off the end of the cliff. they had to give him the space to do this and say yeah, we will be complicit. it's not just 30 or 40 house republicans, but the rest of the caucus saying you are afraid of these people and what they represent. we will follow them. who is leading who here? who is the responsibility of the leadership when they are following a senator who has no strategy? they ran and the strategy and the values of the republicans. >> there is nobody left on capitol hill that guards the brand. there is nobody. i know this will shock people and i will get blasted.

i kind of tried to guard the brand and i have over the past five years to let glen beck call the president of the united states racist. you have republican candidates that are predicting in realtime and politico columns to destroy the republican brand. >> there is nobody though. >> there is no colin powell. they have been driven from the party. there is no james baker there these days. there is nobody to call people into the room. that's the real problem. let me tell you what happened here. these guys in 30 second commercials -- this is the now washington. makes a lot of money on the side not through the party. they ran these 30 second commercials where they said let's stop obama care. if tom coburn wants to stop obama care, the guy with the

most conservative over the last decade who is a liberal and he hates america, that's what they saw time and time again. >> i think we better separate the difference between notoriety and success. i think this is a new breed. this is the honey boo-boo of washington. you are looking at the cameras and you get big numbers. >> i like honey boo-boo. >> what is stunning about this, where are the chris christies and the future of the party who stand up and say this is not what the american people want. >> is this not really the best thing politically that ever happened to chris christie. a guy at 72% in new jersey is a pro life guy and conservative. really.

it's amazing. he gets things done and talks to democrats. >> to answer your question, he has been talking about it. we played that clip and we talked to him a couple of nights ago and went on. he said these guys and he was talking about republicans, these guys are fools. this is a disaster. what he is doing is separating himself. i'm a washington outsider and i have nothing to do with these guys or this strategy. >> are this is a huge marketing opportunity for any republican who can understand. >> it's obvious. >> he is not going to get primaries in the district. is a sarah palin. he makes good television and reads good books. this is a guy that will never win in the suburbs of philadelphia or the suburbs of virginia. it is a mathematical demographic certainty. >> i wrote this about paira

palin in i guess november of 2010 when she was first place in polls and i read it about and every other front-runner that even people in the mainstream was saying this is the republican. ted cruz will never win. ted cruz will never win in the philadelphia suburbs and ted cruz will never win where republicans have to win to win national elections. we have seen this story so many times before. >> but i bet he's in the lead in the iowa caucuses right now. i don't disagree with donny that he's the honey boo-boo of washington, but that series keeps coming on tv because a lot of people in america watch it. this is 30 to 40 republicans that they believe and probably are in many ways speaking for the hard core republican base that are leading those that quite frankly just simply are not strong enough and if they step out of line will be beaten in a primary.

ted cruz may be doing this in a way that doesn't limit general election, but my guess is his numbers are through the roof with republicans in early presidential primaries. >> the house yesterday is trying to pass these piece meal bills to decide which parts of the government they want to keep open. they are two narrow funding bills funding the national park service and the national institute of health. harry reid pushed back that democrats need to pick and choose which parts of the government to fund. >> we talked about children with cancer unable to go to clinical trials and house is going to pass a bill that funds at least the nih. given what you said, will you pass that and if not, aren't you playing the same game that republicans are? is. >> what right did they have to pick and choose what part of government will be funded. it's obvious what is going on. you talk about reckless and

irresponsible, wow. what this is all about is obama care. >> if you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn't you do it? >> why would we want to do that? i have 1100 people that are sitting home from the air force base. they have problems of their own. to have someone of your intelligence suggest such a thing -- >> i'm just asking a question. >> reed took heat for saying why would we want to do that. some people took it as why would we want to save a kid with cancer. >> it's not that, but democrats should keep working. >> here's what he tweeted afterwar afterwards. republicans have resorted to accusing me of not caring about kids with cancer. shameful. the explanation is that he was responding to what chuck schumer had in there.

>> i saw media matter. they are trying to spin for harry reid. the fact is, i know that harry reid loves kids with cancer and loves all kids. his wife is battling cancer, okay? just keep harry reid away from the microphone. i have to say republicans passed a bill that will fund nih and democrats have the choice. they passed the bill that will fund d.c. they have a choice. pass a bill that funds vet services and democrats will have a choice. we will see if that sticks or not. >> coming up on "morning joe," democratic senator clair mccaskill. she sat in your seat and was very comfortable. she was very good cohosting last week. >> there is a possibility that i

could sleep past 4:00 in the morning some. >> she seemeded to move right on in. could we see the end of bill gets at microsoft. why he is standing in the way of the tech giant? >> he standing in the way. >> i have been standing in the way for three years. it's official. we have tropical storm karen in the gulf of mexico. a storm in hurricane season needs to be taken sourcely. very warm water down there and the biggest storms we have ever had. this one does not look to be a big storm, but we need to watch. into the caribbean sea into the southern gulf of mexico. it will head to the north and most likely it's going to go from new orleans and probably somewhere along the appalachian area in florida. somewhere in that if the and anywhere to the right is where we will see the heaviest winds

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time to take a look at the morning papers from our parade of papers. "the washington post," novelist tom clancy died in his hometown of baltimore. an insurance salesman who wrote on the side, he attracted attention with his first book, the hunt for red october. 17 of his novels went to number on the bestseller list and he has 100 million copies in print. his famous cia man was portrayed

in action movies by some of hollywood's biggest stars. he was 66 years old. >> three top investors at microsoft convincing bill gates to step down. they say gates's presence is hintering evasion. they are concerned about his on the committee. >> a rare outbreak of giant killer wasps left 41 dead and 1600 injured. many suffered from an phi lactic shock and kidney failure. they sent out specialists to handle the increasing numbers of attacks. >> mike allen has a look at the playbook. good morning. >> we are talking end game as we were a few minutes ago. some saying here's the term. a grand bargain may be the only way out.

is that realistic here? >> i can tell that joe loves the idea. his reaction in the tease. a way out of the dull desack, the blind alley that you were talking about would be to combine spending with the negotiations coming out over the debt ceiling so this would take in social security and medicare and take in tax reform. speaker boehner brought this up and what the result was. they said everyone laughed and they heard this before, but one and paul ryan who is respected by the conservatives who sells things to part of the republican caucus that has been the most troubled to the speaker will be

more involved. also someone the white house takes seriously. >> the white house responds to this and you want to talk about a grand bargain, fine, but let's get through these things first. >> exactly. they are not going to make this deal because they don't want to face this in the next couple of weeks. the the debt ceiling is what jack lew said yesterday. that is what they are concerned about. when you realize what the republicans have already won, they are talking about a continuing resolution even if it were a clean resolution based on sequester. that's the worst possible choice. it's already lower than the spenting levels that democrats wanted. >> what we heard yesterday with john harwood is the president is looking past this and wants to rebalance the power between the white house and congress. he won't let this happen on his watch not just for him, but

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the washington monument is closed. a live look at washington, d.c. joins us now from washington, a democratic senator from missouri, clair mccaskill back at the table. good to have you on. i like sitting next to you last week. >> that was fun being in joe's chair and talking about the cardinals and the tigers. doing my imitation of him. >> you interrupted me so much. i cried. >> it made me sad, these sleazy political tactics that destroys a man. it makes me sad. mika said you would take my place. i said good luck with the wake up call. how are the cardinals going to do? >> this is normal stuff for us. we do baseball in october. what can i say? we do. it's an amazing team. we do our best with two outs.

rookie pitchers upon rookie pitchers with molina behind the plate. it's an amazing team. i am proud of our system. how about our chiefs? >> break up the chiefs. >> it works so well today. how is it going to end some. >> the moderates need to muscle up here. in the far extreme unreasonable irrational right, they need to be afraid of a moderate republican running against them. and boehner really needs to show courage here. i know he is calling it cruz's shut down, but if boehner puts a clean funding resolution on the floor, it passes. speakers have to do what's best

for the country sometimes. he's not. he knows it. i think boehner needs to get some courage and take an afternoon off and golf and contemplate it and come back and put a simple six-week funding. at their level which we completely compromised on, get us through this six weeks and let's sit down and figure out how we pay our debts and bring down federal spending. >> senator, let me ask you about the united states senate. it used to be and i under line used to be a body of government known for people like oren hatch and being fast friends with ted kennedy and john mccain working things out with people like you and other democrats. what does the introduction of senator cruz, what has it done

in your eyes, through your eyes and sense of feeling. what has it done to the sense of collegiality through the republicans and the senate as a whole? >> it's not good. most of us understand that there loud voices and there a lot of voices that don't make a lot of racket. if you do a good job, you need to listen careful areally for all of the voices and not just pay attention to the wild ones. ted is totally ena.m.orred with the loud ones and doesn't realize how many americans don't agree with him and here's the thing. when he had a moment in the senate after he did his it's all about ted show, how many republicans voted with him in the senate? the majority of them rejected him. those 25 senators that rejected his tactic, they now need to

help the other republicans find their way. it was only 19 voted with ted and 25 voted against him. >> do you think he cares some. >> senate is working the way it should. they need to help john boehner find his courage. >> talking about boehner, let's coach him a little bit. >> he's going to love an inside liberal and democratic senator coach john boehner. >> you always take it one step too far, but go ahead. go ahead. >> you and i are going to coach him and you have a chance to be an american hero. a clean bill would pass. why doesn't he. why doesn't he make a speech that said you know what, this is what's right for the country.

almost force the hand of the other side to toss it. it's almost risk-free if you think about it. if he stands up and said i will end this. i'm bringing this bill. this is what i believe and what's right for the country. >> okay, donny. >> why does he do that? >> i think because this far right extreme in his caucus has really decided that this is where they want to fight, even though they lost the election on obama care and even though the president was reelected on putting obama care in place. i think he is afraid of them. that's the only thing i can figure out. take him out as speaker. >> he would be such a ground swell, i think the calculation is wrong. i think they are backed into a corner. i think that would be such an

overwhelming public ground swell behind him, it would be hard to do. >> i think you are naive if you think john boehner is going to listen to you. >> also, clair, he's naive if he thinks will there will be ground swell. who you will have against reality. that's not the reality for john boehner. >> good to see you always. i'm going to repeat words you said. it's hard from a distance to figure out who lost their minds. one party and the other party and the president playing devil's advocate for moment. i agree with the remarks made this morning. should the president be more open minded and more willing to negotiate here as we move forward? is it all on boehner and is the republicans to give in? you think about how people outside of washington and outside of the inner circle to new york and other places who follow this and average

hardworking americans. are they looking at this and they mention we are in the same way. >> the president has put entitlement reform on the table and that's remarkable for a democratic president to have done. he is willing to go to the negotiating table on entitlement reform and spending. let's do that. take obama care off the table because it's not realistic and not national that the president is going to give away that or any part of it. it would make it not work as well. if everyone will give it a chance. if it doesn't work, we will fix it. he is willing to negotiate on entitlement reform. list not one republican leader who put their name on one piece of paper who said they are core republican for entitlement. by the way, before i leave, the next time you have a republican on that said we should give up our employer contribution, keep

in mind the only deal congress is getting here is they have to go shop on the exchange, but with their employer contribution. here's what i say to all the republicans who don't want us to have an employer contribution for health care. give yours up today. give yours up today. you don't need an amendment. give up your employer contribution today. the next time the guy from texas today, ask him if he took his contribution. >> the republicans are willing to keep one of the monuments open. they were holding a check up. >> clair mccaskill. i love her. who is going off? is that your money? >> time to go. >> really quickly, two items. this is historic and the people who study such things 50 years from now will be talking about it.

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estate because of it. the big boys are piling up on top and said the united states probably has we speak is the number one energy producer in the world. this is oil and natural gas. it's not just oil. >> the "wall street journal" predicted we would be number one producer of oil by 2020. you are talking about that and we have a huge gap in oil. >> it's all about that. at one point russia was producing three million more barrels a day in the united states. when was the last time we talked about opec. we don't talk about the impact and the market outside the u.s., we import less so there is more flooding in the international market. they have less power outside the country. the interesting thing though is the price of oil has not come down. if it does come down, two things

can get this in trouble. if the price comes down, it's not cost-effective to do the fractioning and the populous and the regulations are still a major head wind. >> i want both of you guys to talk about it. it's not just about energy in the home and consumers. i think critically for the job that we are so stagnant about. nobody will be talking about ted cruz's shut down in a decade. this is going to transform american life. manufacturing. general you have the smartest people in the world and most productive and you get the most abundant supply of energy in the world. it's better to be lucky than good. we are saving a lot of stuff. we are saying we can get out of the ground now. >> i don't think there is any doubt we can transform one policy conversation.

it should transform about job creation and putting pressure to raise wages. these are better paying jobs than the jobs being created. they are not temporary jobs and people complain about the keystone pipeline. i think that's silly. >> it's ideologically driven. >> the point about price is coming down. if this was not happening in america, we have to worry about it recollect places. why? the man around the world is going for more energy. the population grows and economies mature. >> a decade ago and we heard newt gingrich say this. he's right. a decade ago. people were predicting that natural gas supplies were drying up. now it's endless. they say in 75 years, but newt said technology is not stagnant. it's endless. >> americans need to adopt

natural gas more. coal is unpopular and going to come online. the demand can grow with it. that's when it's key and will be truly independent. >> and the infrastructure. as we look at ways to use the economy, you have to create new jobs. >> all right. thank you very much. >> brian, thank you. >> back in a moment.

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what if anything did we learn today? anything? anything? i learned something.

>> edwin morris said it's true. >> i learned it's time. to reach out to john boehner. next to them. john boehner, you gave advice. >> they run for republican president. i can't believe that. >> i think this is a big thing. it will be interesting to see if they take your advice. i doubt he will in the short-term. >> i don't think he will get credit for it either. who do you like? the braves or the dodgers? >> i'm a red sox fan.

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