♪ >> chicks" and "waterworld ii." i didn't think "gravity" would be good and it's great. what else? >> jason says "showgirls," so bad it's good. awesome rod says, steel magnolias and i'm not giving up my man card. >> how about "the cutting edge," the hockey/figure skating movie? that's mine. "morning joe" starts now. sfm with the shutdown of the federal government and the launch of obama care to help you

understand it, it's time for winners and losers. >> loser the obama care website which had technical issues because of web traffic. you can't campaign that millions don't have health care and then be surprised millions don't have health cares. that's like 800-flowers be caught off guard by valentine's day. >> winner, canada. senator ted cruz was born in canada. while we worried about iran, a canadian shut down the u.s. government. well played, canada. >> well done. good morning, everyone. it's monday, october 7th. welcome to kwo"morning joe." with us on set, visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford, jr. good morning. former treasury official and economic analyst steve ratner. and on capitol hill new york times reporter jeremy peters.

in washington, columnist and soeassociate editor for the war buffett warren buffett post david ignacius. good to have uh you on board. >> man. >> willie put it right. do your teeth hurt? >> unbelieve able. >> it's ridiculous. >> the pirates up 2-1 on the cardinals. >> who would have believed it? the red sox had a great couple of games. >> good games. >> big birthday on saturday night. yeah, mike barnacle. >> big papi helped him celebrate. >> went out to all the clubs. >> you know mike. yeah, mika, this is getting worse. >> why don't they -- >> somebody found themselves in the corner. well, they put themselves in a corner. >> really? >> now they will fight their way out. >> really? how? how does it end? >> i don't know.

it looks like they are doubling down. >> it's week two of the shutdown. it increasingly looks like any deal to re-open the federal government will hinge on the fast approaching debt limit deadline. last week it was reported that house speaker john boehner said he will not allow the government to default, yesterday he took a harder stance. >> i'm going to tell you what, george, the nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down the and have a conversation. >> they are saying it's a risk because of your refusal to pass a clean debt limit. >> we are not passing a clean debt limit increase. >> under no circumstance? >> there is no way. when the vote s aren't in the house to pass a debt limit. the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. >> wait a minute. >> okay . >> all through the sunday shows i heard -- ted cruz was on. everyone called it harry reid and their shutdown.

this is the republican shutdown. it's a stick-up. it's the tyranny of the t minority. >> i don't know about that. john boehner, if you look at the math of it, what john boehner said was incorrect. they have the votes to pass a clean c.r. they could pass it today. they have the votes to pass a clean debt ceiling increase. they have it today. john boehner could go on the floor at 9:00. >> could get it done today. >> let's ask a guy who reports on the hill. we don't usually like the to be this specific. i would rather talk to the sports writer. ask lu uhpica. jeremy, let's talk fact. from everybody you have talked to, everybody i talked to, it seems to me that john boehner could pass a clean c.r. today and a clean debt ceiling increase this morning with the republicans and all the

democrats. >> i talked to democrats and republicans who were bewildered by what john boehner said. peter king said there are 50 to 75 republican votes for this. peter king is one of the republicans who's been counting. he told me he thinks there would be 150 vote ifs the it were a secret ballot. it shows you the appetite to get us out of this jam on the republican side of the aisle. john boehner's comment s yesterday were interesting. what he was saying was, okay, these far right conservative members of my conference, all of the people that the world has been telling me to throw under the bus, i'm not going to do that. he's really dug in here. that's contributed to an overwhelming sense of uncertainty and unease of how to get out of this. >> steve ratner, a lot of times when you are in a negotiation and you have a week hand you still have a chance of winning

but you have to put on your poker face. that was really more for the negotiations. i'm not trying to defend him. i know what he said behind the scenes. i know how he is. i know he's not going to allow the debt ceiling -- for america to default on the debt. i heard him yesterday and, come on, this is an act. did you get that sense? >> sure, a little bit. i think it will get resolved. i also saw john boehner squirming. there are a number of cases where he said, i'm not going to let the country default. i'm not going to hold up the c.r. clearly this hard right wing of of the party has encaptured him. and basically this is the way it's going to be. i have done negotiations and every one goes right to its deadline. we'll be here at 8:00 on october 17th waiting for this to be

resolved. in the end i think boehner will get it dissolved. he doesn't want to pass a clean debt ceiling bill now though i agree that it would pass if it went to the floor. >> okay. at this point, many republicans continue to question the party's current strategy, accusing senator ted cruz of leading the party down the path to deadlock. a republican lawmaker told reporters -- >> this is a top, top house republican. >> yeah. "i would liken this a little bit to gettysburg where a confederate unit went looking for shoes and stumbled into union cavalry, and all of the sudden found itself in a battle on the a battlefield it didn't intend to be on. and everybody just kept feeding troops into it." administration officials disagree of how severe reaching the debt limit or defaulting would be for the economy.

>> it's just not responsible. it's reckless and irresponsible to say we'll bring that down if we don't get our way. congress needs to do its job and then negotiate. the president wants to negotiate. >> bottom line, is the president red edie to watch the country go into default rather than negotiate with republicans? >> the president believes responsible members of congress know the consequences and that it doesn't need to happen. they have a majority to do the right thing. >> will he not come to the table at all, even at the risk of default? >> i know the leaders of congress -- republicans and democrats. i don't believe any of them want to default. they will look at how they let a majority in congress work their will. >> i think it is irresponsible of the president and his men to talk about default. there is no reason for us to default. we bring in $250 billion in tax thes every month. our interest payment is $20 billion. tell me why we would default. we have legislation called the full faith and credit act. it tells the president, you must

pay interest on the debt. this is a game. >> david ignacius in washington, it's remarkable, the white house watching this. they feel like a jedi mind trick is being played on them. they raised this and now they're up against it and they need to cosomething. the stakes have changed because this started with obama care. it was about defunding it, repealing it, dlag it. now republicans are talking about getting tax reform out of it and possibly entitlement reform within the next ten days. >> the obama white house has enjoyed, if that's the word, watching the republicans led by john boehner self-destruct. their position has become weaker every day of the shutdown. the idea that this would conclude in some kind of return to a grand bargain where we look at entitlement issues, issues of tax re form, all of the things that in theory were on the table at the time the president was re-elected and headed into the

beginning of the congress. many in the white house think it would be good. so long as it takes place after boehner has taken the debt ceiling/default issue off the table. what struck me over the weekend, will willie, is boehner had the air go out of his arguments as soon as he said, i'm not going to let a default happen. over the weekend he was saying, well, we'll go right to the point of default. i can't do anything. i'm trapped. deal with me. bargain with me. a voluntary renunciation of freedom of maneuver he might otherwise have. >> harold, steve, you heard what rand paul said on "meet the press." no big deal. bring in enough money and the default isn't a big deal. >> come on. >> the default would have real ramifications. i heard steve make salient points about how the market is responding now.

one of the interesting moments for jack lou, the question was asked about october 17. how hard a date is it? i asked in the context of many of the significant market participants interpreting it. many say it's not rattling the bond market and other markets as significantly as people think. how do you feel the october 17th date should be perceived and interpreted by big investors and, two, the comments made by republicans that they will dig in, should the president come to the table and be willing to negotiate more? >> let me unpack that a little bit. the market is sanguine because they are focused on the shutdown being the immediate situation. october 17, as we get closer you could see the markets rattled. b remember in this december of 2011 when we were debating the debt ceiling the market went down something like 16%. people perceive there will be some kind of last-minute save so the markets aren't going as

crazy. i don't know for sure whether october 17 is the final day or not. it's not going to go on a lot longer. what rand paul is saying is irresponsible. the idea that we could somehow go over the ceiling and pay interest in our debt. not pay a lot of other things including social security, medicare and still have an intact credit rating, a functioning set of financial markets and says, that's no big deal. that's crazy. that's not going to happen. i believe at the end of the day as we get late in the night on the 17th there will be a short-term deal to try to find a long-term deal. we'll start the movie again and watch it for another six weeks or so. >> would you advise the president to do anything differently? some are making the point that he has some responsibility now to come to the table and be the big adult at the table? >> here is the thing. the president said he wouldn't negotiate over obama care.

what was interesting this weekend is they are not talking about debts and deficit which the president said he would negotiate over. the president said he wouldn't negotiate over the debt ceiling. i think he could negotiate over the continuing resolution over opening the government. everybody has done it in the past. i think there is a needle you can thread here. right now there is no bid, no ask, nothing on the table. >> in an interview with the associated press, president obama was asked whether he set the precedent for freshman senators like marco rubio, rand paul and ted cruz to make a splash on the national stage in their first term. >> when i came to the senate, my attitude was i should just keep a low profile and do the work. >> the media didn't let you do that. >> the media may not have. but i didn't court the media. i certainly didn't go around trying to shut down the government. >> as for senator ted cruz, he weighed in on his role in the current dissent in the

republican party over the shutdown strategy. >> do you think you have hurt the republican party brand? [ laughs ] >> not remotely. but far too many people are worried about politics. listen, if we worry about what's impacting the american people the politics will take care of itself. the politicians gazing at polls, there is reason why the most common sentiment in this country is that politicians in washington aren't listening to us. there is a reason congress has a 10 to 15% approval rating. >> it's because of the type of things he's doing. >> twisted every answer. >> it's unbelievable. >> it was horrifying to watch. >> the reason approval ratings for congress are dropping lower than before is exactly because of what ted cruz is engineering. >> candy -- >> it's short-sighted for him. the republican party will recover. we have had to deal with a lot

of short-sighted, stupid political tactics in the past. we'll survive ted cruz, but he's sarah palin is what he is. >> sarah palin with a brain. >> no! >> he is sarah palin of the u.s. senate. great go-around and have a small subset, love you, but he'll never be president. >> candy crowly is a great interviewer. you saw her absolutely going -- it was like she was trying to contain her absolute shock and trying to, literally create a question that could even humor his answers which were all twisted lies. >> he thinks the american people and the republicans are a lot dumber than we are. >> exactly. >> it's like he thinks he's talking to a bunch of third graders. you know, i went to harvard and princeton. >> i know better. >> i will talk around.

now a lot of people are from state schools and community colleges and with high school -- >> who can smell b.s. a mile away. >> that can spot a snake oil salesman a mile away. on the barack obama deal, that's ridiculous on the other side. barack obama was running for president from the second he got into the u.s. senate. harry reid said it. it's been reported. so, yes. ted cruz, marco rubio, rand paul, they are all doing exactly what barack obama did as far as the career path goes. no, he didn't shut down the government, but he did vote against raising the debt ceiling. >> which he says was a symbolic vote when he knew it was going to pass. >> whatever gets you through the night. he voted against raising the debt ceiling and he was going to vote for john roberts, but he was told by one of his political advisers, that means when you

run for president every single thing john roberts dozen will be attached to you. he was running for president the second he got into the senate. he thinks americans are dumber than we are, too. >> there was an interesting piece about tom graves who you had on the show last week. he was criticized -- praised by those in his district for standing as firm as he has on this issue. as we talk about the process and this question has been raised on the show about the way election s are conducted today, you have primary voters that really are dictating the politics happening in washington. i was shocked to hear some of the quotes of people in this article. those who were being hurt by the shutdown. those whose businesses were affected saying they would support congressman graves only and unless he continues to keep the position he has about the shutdown, about ending obama care and about raising the debt ceiling only if the republicans win concessions. as we talk about the voters we

have to understand the districts are drawn in ways that continue to rereward this behavior. we have to figure out how to address it nationally. >> there is a certain responsibility that everyone has to this country. watching that interview with ted cruz, you can argue whether or not you feel he was telling the truth. i was really upset watching the interview. i felt like he was twisting it. i felt his interviewer felt that way and probably other viewers as well. people should watch it for themselves. you know, it's extreme to say someone is lying but you have to watch the interview. >> you're saying some people would think he was but you're saying for you it was frustrating. >> it was very frustrating. >> not necessarily -- >> a lot of other things were going on in the interview. >> i was going to say, yet for everything we have said about ted cruz his argument is winning the day. it might be temporary, a small minority but they are winning

the day. otherwise john boehner would have the clean c.r. on the floor. >> i could get everybody this a school bus and i can drive you guys to the edge of the t cliff and step on the gas. yeah, right now he's got everybody in the school bus and the cliff is coming. >> john boehner -- >> the republican party is inside the bus. >> boehner has allowed it to happen. boehner could pass a clean c.r. tomorrow. >> call a vote. >> he doesn't override this particular group of republicans. >> told him going to cliff when they pass the golf course, let me out here. now for those like the birthers and all the whacknuts, i love to say that barack obama is a secret muslim and he's trying to make a world -- if he's a secret muslim, he's the worst secret muslim that's ever been because

he is pretty damn good at killing real muslim terrorists. >> he sure was over the weekend. >> what happened? >> we had two fascinating on oh radiations. we can see the special operations forces aren't on shutdown. they were in action friday night at a beach resort in somalia trying to nab a somali leader there the. he was thought to be involved in the planning of the 1988 attack on the embassy in kenya. maybe had links to the attack on the shopping mall. and libya, the u.s. special forces came in and snatched somebody that the u.s. has been seeking for years. a key kind of computer planner, technician for al qaeda.

he goes by abu al raqi. he was taken by u.s. forces onto a ship now believed to be in the mediterranean. this is a rendition, as the intelligence term of art. he'll be brought to the u.s. to stand trial. he's been indicted in a new york court. we are seeing hard nosed tactics as an alternative to the use of predator drone strikes. this is following up president obama's speech and new policy. so we are putting our own troops on the ground at risk to try to grab key al qaeda people. it's a sign that the fight in north africa is getting more difficult. the u.s. is committed to it. finally, to me, joe, it's a sign that as u.s. power retreats to the world as the war this is afghanistan and iraq end we

still have awesome firepower in the special operations forces. >> yeah. >> who can be anywhere tomorrow morning. >> impressive. >> coming up on "morning joe," new york city mayor michael bloomberg joins us on set. also, steny hoyer and jerry rice. with all eyes on virginia's governor race, why is ken cucinelli trying to distance himself from ted the cruz? >> winning. he wants to win. >> that's the hard question of the day? >> he didn't want a picture taken with him. >> why does he feel that way? >> cruz was at the same event. >> we'll explain ahead in the politico playbook. first a check on the forecast. bill? >> good morning. on the east coast te'o need to pay attention to the weather. it's humid. we'll get strong storms, maybe severe storms which is rare for this time of year.

we have thunderstorms outside of charlotte now. all of this will slide up the east coast into the big cities as we go throughout the afternoon. it looks like the d.c. area, sometime around noon. eventually all the way to new york city. let me break it down for you. a slight risk of severe weather. maybe an isolated tornado or two. late afternoon toward new york city. the timing of it, the red line is going to be the strongest storm. we bring it uh to d.c. at 1:00 to 2:00. by 3:00 or 4:00 you should be clear. philadelphia to new york city. right around 4:00 to 6:00. same for the hudson valley to albany new york. it will weaken and be gone through the overnight hours. just remember that for your plans and the airports will be a mess when the storms go through in the east. the rest of the country, you're looking fine after a torrential rain in louisville that had flooding. you're fine today. and the snow is melting many

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detected on the driver's breath. he has been detained on suspicion of manslaughter. >> there are new updates in the infamous biker attack on the suv driver. at least one off duty undercover officer was with the bikers and did nothing to stop the beatings as they took place. the nypd is investigating why cops didn't intervene. when cop came forward and has been placed on modified duty. >> before we move on the cops that were undercover didn't want to blow their cover reportedly. >> yeah. >> therefore they did nothing. but a good samaritan came in there and got in the middle of everything and said stop, stop, stop. why couldn't the cops be human? did they have to blow their cover? i don't understand. something doesn't make sense.

>> a father, mother and a baby in a car and a guy is being beaten, yeah, it's time for a cop to blow his cover. that's ridiculous. >> apparently they were deep -- >> it doesn't matter. >> a lot of questions there. minneapolis star tribune. a 9-year-old boy reported missing by his mother managed to go through airport security, fly alone from minneapolis to vegas without a boarding pass. officials are trying to determine how he got on the flight. las vegas police and child protective services took him into custody. they are arranging his return to minneapolis. >> that's great. he's got a trip planned to paris for the weekend. hopefully he'll be lined up in time. it was a big weekend for george clooney and sandra bullock. >> man down! man down! >> explorer's been hit.

[ screaming ] >> i have to say, that makes me tired. the 3-d science fiction thriller "gravity" finished the weekend at number 1 with $56 million and breaking the record for the biggest october debut ever. >> i have a headache. >> i have to say, you look at some of the graphics. they look almost as real and lifelike as the lego toys my children use. >> that's ridiculous. >> that jack uses. >> the reviews for the movie are incredible. i have seen almost universally good reviews. >> those two are great actors. i'm sure it's more than -- t.j. decided to pick out the crappiest part because that's what t.j. does. >> t.j. being t.j. >> let t.j. be t.j. >> patrick, good to see you. >> good morning. i saw it. it's a good film. >> what's your review? are the graphics better than they appeared there? >> they are. i recommend you go to a theater

to see it in 3-d. it's better. it's good to see a space movie that doesn't involve aliens and ho h hokey music. it ee's realistic. >> let's talk about the virginia governor's race. ken cuccinelli was at an event where senator ted cruz was as well. essentially avoided at all costs being seen with ted cruz. how did that shake out? >> the annual fund raising dinner for the family which is favorable to ted cruz. if he's the poster child of the government shutdown, ken cuccinelli could use the help he could get. didn't embrace ted cruz. there were no the photos. when they talked backstage he urged cruz to work with the democrats. in addition, although cruz

lavished praise on cuccinelli, cuccinelli didn't mention cruz at all. you do get some pushback from ken cuccinelli saying oh, no, no we love ted cruz. cuccinelli's camp isn't pressing back against the story. the fact that virginia has 175,000 furloughed workers, they are dependent on federal money. ted cuccinelli and ted cruz, no lost love. >> it's also about separation from the government. cuccinelli saying i have nothing to do with what's happening in washington now. don't stick this on me, 175,000 people out of work in virginia. >> if you look at cuccinelli's campaign, if there is a theme it's an anti-d.c. insider. he's been railing against mcauliffe for d.c. connections.

anything he can do to distance himself from d.c. and the people making it happen he thinks is beneficial to his campaign. >> joe? >> you have two big governor races. the one in virginia which is a state that's more republican than new jersey. you have a governor in new jersey walking away with this thing bashing republicans in washington, d.c. these republican insiders. he's doing great. then you have ken cuccinelli in the state of virginia, a state that bob mcdonald won by, what, 20 points. he's struggling big time. he won't be seen on the same stage as ted cruz. they were at the same event. he gave a speech, got off and wouldn't have his picture taken with him. this is what people were doing to sarah palin three years in. they are doing it now to ted cruz in a swing state that's

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receivers jerry rice and tim brown. good to see you. >> this is huge. >> good to be here . >> the most important thing about jerry rice is the techmo bowl, the video game. that was the one play you couldn't stop. montana to rice. the suckers would bet it and i would run that play all daly. >> give it to number 80 and watch him go. >> so your career was worth something. >> the denver broncos. how good are they? they didn't play a lot of defense. >> nobody is anymore. >> manning is on an historic run. >> you don't want to take anything from peyton, but can some defensive coordinator come up with a scheme to stop this guy? it's incredible that no one has been able to do that at this point. he's playing great. you know he's a smart guy with

the way they play defense he'll heat it up. >> you played with the best quarterback maybe of all time, joe montana. where does peyton rank? >> peyton is right up there with joe montana and the other great quarterbacks. what he's doing on the football field is exceptional. he's not making mistakes. he's got receivers in eric deck thor and wes welker. those guys. they have a running game. they have a good defense. he's doing exceptional things out there on the football field. he's having a great time. >> speaking of the great ones today, you have peyton at the top. there are two young guns, one in san francisco and one in seattle. how do you rank them and look at the san francisco/seattle robbery going forward? >> to be honest seattle has our number. as receivers -- >> our? you're still playing? >> that's right, baby. >> they have our number because as a receiver you have to defeat bump and run.

you have to be really elusive on the line of scrimmage. i'm not saying that with the receivers from the 49ers. colin kaepernick is fantastic on the field. he can be a read option guy and also a drop-back passer. >> i they looked good yesterday. tim, the tale of two mannings. you have one who is 6-0. one who is 0-6. what's wrong with the new york giants? >> you know, when a player goes that bad, there is something going on behind the scene s. no way eli manning goes from being who he's been over the last five years to being this guy without something going on. >> what's going on, man. >> it's the coach. they are tired of coughlin. you can only take that kind of rhetoric for so long as a player. the whole team is saying, you know, we are done with this. >> i said 6-0. they are 0-5. they're bad enough. i don't have to throw another -- it's interesting what you say.

coughlin has done great thing with the giants. every year the tabloids say to fire cough line. but, jerry, there is at some point you can only take that much intensity. where you're on time to a meeting and he yells at you for being five minutes late. that works for a while. then you're like, hold on. i'm a grown man. >> i believe you have to be accountable as a player, be responsible, show up on time and be in the leadership role. tom coughlin, i think he lost the team a little bit and the players aren't playing for him. they're ready to throw in the towel there. >> beyond being two of the greatest receivers of all time, i hear you can get around the golf course, too. >> really? >> you're working on "the big break," the show on the golf channel. >> we shot it in june. it was remarkable. >> the heisman. >> that pose. >> do you do it in every restaurant you go into?

>> bam! >> the thing that was tough for us, we are used to being the guy, being the man. give me the ball in this situation. we have people playing for their livelihood. a young lady gets to play for the lpga classic. a guy gets to go to the fed ex st. jude classic. if we make a bad shot they don't get to go. it's pressure on us. >> also we are playing for charity. my charity was the march of dimes. i wanted to win this competition. going against tim brown, chris doleman, al del gre co, some of the other guys. mark bulger. >> is there a competition you don't want to win? >> this guy here is the worst. >> it was very competitive out there. some of the shots we had to execute, and i don't think i will ever be the same.

after what they put me through. nfl "big break" was everything i thought it would be. we had a great time. i wanted to beat this guy. >> we talk about jerry being competitive. saying he had to get up early the for this. he said, i used to get up earlier running uphills every day. >> this is what i do. >> looking good. >> i want to take him down. when we played together, we didn't play for money. a hundred bucks or whatever. we had a cup. and if you wanted the cup you had it in your locker. man, we lockered next to each other. hey, jerry, doing all right? it was great. >> i'm going to dallas to bring that cup home. >> wow! >> you deserve to be in the hall of fame. >> i appreciate that. >> absolutely. >> jerry, make it happen. he deserves it. the 20th season of "big break" debuts tomorrow on the golf channel. so cool to have you here.

thanks, guys. >> appreciate it. >> he's fighting. up next, the financial times and the must read opinion pages next. la's known definitely for its traffic,

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now. how bad is that going to impact the markets if we do go up to october 17th's deadline. >> the good news is we have only seen a 2% decline in the s&p in the last ten days or so. the bad news is we have seen nine of the last 12 sessions show falls. if you look at the futures market you are seeing it there. the feeling is right now the republicans don't seem to have any incentury tif to try to compromise. >> these manufactured political crises always factor into the market even before it happens. i don't think they have factored in what the rest of us haven't factored in that these people have absolutely no strategy to get out of the corner and they have no intention of getting out of the corner. >> what even says is as far as the shutdown is concerned it has economic impact but it is not disastrous. the big thing is what happens post october 17th and whether

you will see a technical default. the betting is the republicans have incentive to go to the edge of default and then pull back. you have potential for accidents. the real concern is if you go back to 2008 and look at what happened during the top negotiations, it took a big market crash to bring both sides to the table and get a bipartisan deal. >> scare everybody. >> this time you could see that play out again. a big crash would be very destabilizing. >> the shutdown is a political crisis. it has real world impacts but it is a political crisis. october 17th and the days after could be an economic crisis that could have global impact. some experts quoted today reminding us that november 1, $60 billion of payments come due. social security, medicare, re tires. they are real numbers and money we won't have if the debt ceiling isn't raised.

>> if the united states, the store of wealth for the world should default on its debt and make the debt questionable to hold it would have enormous global consequences. you have to assume that boehner means it when he says he won't take it over the cliff in that way. obama has to decide whether he wants a total obliterating defeat of the republicans which is what he's headed for or if he's willing to give them a little face, say they will negotiate some of the issues they care about on debt and deficit issues. we could escape this. the backlash against tea party republicans is building in the country. there is a story in the post about justin amash in michigan. in michigan, businessmen in

grand rapids are angry about his voting and are beginning to run a more moderate republican against this tea party republican. that's a sign of what could be ahead. >> jeremy, what's your thinking after watching boehner say he won't stand down over the weekend? what does he want the president to negotiate with? what are you hearing from sources? >> i don't think boehner quite yet knows what he wants. as we talk about the differences between 1996 and now, one thing i would point out that i think is disconcerting to everyone involved is the lack of dialogue. you go back to '96. at this point clinic tooton and gingrich were talking. there were conversations at the staff level going on. there is none of that going on. it's hard to go forward when there isn't the basic dialogue going forward you need to resolve this. >> all right. gillian, final word. >> here's something to think about as the discussion doesn't happen in washington. right now on wall street, the

big banks are already conducting fire drills, looking at what will happen if we get to october 17th and we don't have a deal in place. people around the world are getting nervous, having to prepare for this. >> this is a horrific message about the united states government across the world. >> absolutely. >> you guys lecture us on democracy? how about you run your own democracy. you have elections and they apparently have no impact. >> just don't pay your mortgage. >> here is an example. last week in london, the u.n. ambassador was due to attend an important dinner. he turns up at 6:00 and says to everyone , i'm sorry, i have been told by my government i can come and say, apologies for not being here. i have to go home. >> we'll be right back. ron: i'm sorry, who are you? jc: i'm your coworker! c'mon guys. i'm driving. hey, you guys comfortable? it's best-in-class rear legroom.

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♪ i don't apologize for my vma performance. if i owe anybody an apology it's the people who make the bottom halves of shirts. [ laughter ] but there are a few subjects we are not getting into tonight. i'm not doing hannah montana. but i can give you an update. she was murder ed. and also we went back and forth on this, but, guys, i i just don't think we should do the wrecking ball sketch. >> what? i mean, come on. my mom is here!

[ applause ] >> sorry, bobby. >> it's all too much. welcome back to the "morning joe." steve ratner is with us. an organization that ted cruz called the den of vipers and he may be right. >> they have their own wrecking ball video. >> richard haass begins the case for putting america's house in order. julie pace. wow, she's going to tell us what barack obama told her this weekend. >> the president. >> and host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. chuck, the screaming headline this weekend has to be the fact that john boehner has felt the need to go back on what he said at the end of the week. markets, world, don't worry. we are not going to default on our debt obligations. this weekend he felt compelled to go out and re set the

negotiations. the market is concerned to say the at least this morning. what's going on? >> the reporting last week was overly hopeful. maybe it was a trial balloon by boehner's folks. i was surprised by some of the way it was reported. he's been saying similar things before. you know, he's not interested in seeing a default, but he's always said he felt the two things would be tied together. lo and behold on sunday when questioned, he says the two things are going to be -- as far as he's concerned, are going to be i tied together. we are in week two with no end in sight. i think there will be a debt limit agreement before the government is open ed up. i wouldn't be surprised if that's the next avenue boehner goes as he tries hard to keep -- it seems that what's been paramount to him is trying to keep republicans united in the house. it's very precarious.

>> richard haass, there are a lot of republicans that don't like barack obama. a lot of business owners who are republicans who don't like barack obama, who voted against him twice. who, like me, don't support the idea of obama care. it's the law of the land. i understand that. elections have consequences. you know what, they are getting more concerned about the dysfunction in washington. you're starting to see members across the country, republican members feel pressure from business communities. across the globe. ambassadors are starting to see a real concern about america's standing in the world. your book talked about it. "foreign policy begins at home." i thought it was a republican message, talking about the debt, entitlements. now it has a different meaning. >> you're going to see the business community mobilize. these guys are threatening the basic viability of the american

economy. if interest rates are pushed sky high we could find ourselves in a second recession. around the world you have all sorts of countries whose security is franchised out to us. they are dependent on us whether they are formal allies or not. they looked first at the sequester and say are you americans going to have the resources you need to defend and protect us? they say, if we are going to defend on you, you've got to meet some level of reliability. some level of predictability. we have to know if we are depending on you that you will be there. in the wake of syria that added an element of uncertainty and now this it goes beyond the financial. not that they don't know what the dollar will be doing, worrying about the world's largest economy. they are worried about the reliability and credibility of america's word. if you want to make the world interesting. if you want to make the 21st century turbulent and make it look like the middle east, we are on the verge of doing that.

where countries take their security decisions more into their own hands. the idea of american primacy fades. >> the dysfunction in this government, you can't overstate the dysfunction in our government right now. that has impacts domestically. it has impacts internationally. it has impact on our economy. >> clearly julie pace, the president must know that. whether or not this is a handful of republicans who are the taking the country hostage or a stick-up or however you want to put it. he's the president. what is he saying at this point? where is he? >> one of the things i was struck by on friday for the interview was how confident the president seems. he gave no ground on any positions on the shutdown or the debt ceiling. you can really just sense in talking to him that the white house feels they are winning the politics on the shutdown. now the worry that they should

be having -- i don't know if they are. but they should be having at this point is that, you know, for the american people, maybe they look and say, oh, yeah, the house republicans are the ones holding this up. but the public looks and says, this is a washington problem. this is maybe more on the house republicans but this is everybody. the president is the president of the united states. he's the most visible figure in washington. the white house has to determine whether to act in the best interest of the country here. >> how does this end from talking to the president? i suspect he feels this is a game of chicken and hoe won't be the one to blink. >> right. >> what does he think a republican blink will look like? how does it end as we are ten days away now from october 17th? >> i don't know how this really end s. if you want to get the president's take he sees this simply. he sees republicans in the house passing a clean spend ing bill to re open the government. he sees them passing a clean bill to lift the debt court of appeal ing. if you listen to speaker john

boehner he made it clear he doesn't think the votes are there. i would question if the votes are there. the president thinks the republicans have to do this. he's not just looking at this fall and these debates. he's trying to look at the presidency and say, you know, we don't want to set a precedent where lawmakers feel they don't have to flow through on responsibilities. >> steve, the president said from the beginning, i'm not going to negotiate. couldn't have been more clear. he actually has no political incentive to negotiate with the republicans when the fact is john boehner could pass a clean c.r. and end this in ten minutes. >> correct. >> by the way, a clean c.r. using republican levels on the sequester. >> he has no incentive to negotiate. he's achieved a victory in that the republicans have stopped talking about obama care. they are now talking about doing something on debt and deficit.

what you can do in 11 days is a matter of uncertainty. one of the things that surprised me yesterday and i would love chuck view. boehner said there weren't votes in the house to pass a clean c.r. or a clean debt ceiling limit bill which chuck schumer immediately challenged when he came on later. it comes down to a game of chicken. i actually wrote that down. to get over the debt ceiling hurdle which, to me, is more important, both sides have to give something. i don't think the president will get boehner to say, just kidding. i will pass a clean debt ceiling bill. >> guess what, steve . the republicans, specifically because of the ted cruz strategy which the wall street journal and scott walker and chris christie and charles krauthammer warned them against taking, that's given the president is high ground on every issue. americans are the home aren't sorting through the difference between a government shutdown and the debt crisis. now the president's hand is strengthened. >> very much so.

>> by the stupidity of the strategy of obama care. >> they are in the box canyon. >> the wall street journal said they put themselves s in. >> they did. >> why double down on this? >> with one exception. president obama is responsible for the country and the economy. he could, quote/unquote win. it's a game of chicken that neither side wants to go off the edge. >> it shows how much they hate him and don't love the country. that's what is scary. if they actually go through with this. >> are you saying -- >> this is about somebody else. >> are you saying they don't love the country? >> are you? >> of course. >> ted cruz and his group love it is country? >> yes. i have never suggested -- >> we disagree. >> the craziest left wing lunatic didn't love their country. >> i think he loves his prospects to develop a database more than the country. >> i think ted cruz believes

that obama care is dangerous, devastating. >> he is allowed to believe that. >> i think he's willing to take extreme measures to stop it from happening. >> hold on one second. you suggested that some people might not love this country. they believe we get to the best outcome in completely different ways. >> ted cruz has lost that fight. he lost the obama care fight. >> he has. doesn't mean he doesn't love america . >> exactly. my point is if he loves america , now he should try to negotiate something where he gets something -- >> hold on. >> and we don't go over the cliff. >> this guy is a freshman senator, chuck todd. at the end of the day, john boehner has to decide whether he's going to stand up like a man and do the right thing for

the republican party, for the conservative cause, for america across the world and put a clean c.r. on the floor and let the majority role. >> those two things are in conflict. what's best for the republican party and what's best for the conservative movement. right now the politics of that are in conflict. they are not in concert on this. the issue is if he does -- there is probably a majority of house republicans that would vote for some clean c.r. -- three, four, five, six weeks. perhaps a three-month debt ceiling bill. something to move the ball along and open a window for negotiation. the problem is the conservative grassroots would catch on fire. it would not be -- it would be so many problems internally with some of the groups.

>> are you saying, chuck, that the republican party has to be stripped bare, broken down, and destroyed? destroyed? >> boy, that's -- >> the approval rating in the 20s until john boehner and some other people in washington, d.c. have the guts to stand up to the extremes in their own party and say, listen, i'm not going to let the conservative cause and the republican party be destroyed by your false hopes of shutting down the government and defaulting on the debt to stop obama care. it's not going to happen. >> when the divide -- >> ronald reagan would have done it. george w. bush would have done this. >> they have been quiet. >> i have faulted george w. bush. he would have brought ted cruz into the white house and in two seconds said, boy, go back to the hill and talk when i tell you to talk. if you don't, we're not funding

your projects. where are the adults in the republican party, chuck, in washington, d.c.? george w. bush wouldn't have put up with it. reagan wouldn't have put up with it. >> well, i mean, the divide between elites, when you say adults, the conservative movement hears elites, number one. number two, that divide is there is just so much distrust between the, quote/unquote, adults of the republican party who are ko cowering. they are in fear of the conservati conservative grassroots. that's what this is about. if that's set aside you're not going to see conservatives fall in line. that's what boehner know s. that's the problem. so boehner's hope here is that he continues to show them how futile this strategy is and at some point the conservatives decide, you know what, we've got

to pause another day. look, none of these adults are speaking out. the people you talk about, look at how few of them are talking. they are very quiet. those that the are are criticizing the boehner strategy and the conservatives. and they are giti getting piled. look at bernie goldberg. he wrote a piece criticizing the cruz strategy and he was pummelled by the right. he was in many ways the face of beating up the liberal mete media saying conservatives aren't represented. >> again, we have talked about it before. i will say the names again. charles krauthammer, tom coburn, scott walker. >> rhinos. >> exactly. >> these people, the most conservative heroesheroes. tom coburn, a ten-year, the best kentuc

conservative rating index over the past decade. if somebody says tom coburn is a rhino, you know, i don't want them in my party. i don't want them in my area code or near me. i want the to win elections again. the question is when do they stand up and stop being bullied around by, you know, by a bunch of -- >> first of all, they have stood up and said things about ted cruz and what he's doing? chuck mentioned some of that. here we are now. we have somebody like john boehner who is not a rhino. what does he do? do you think he should put forward a clean c.r.? do you think he should put forward a clean c.r. and a clean debt ceiling bill and let them pass? >> i do. john boehner goes to the white house and says to the president, listen, i want to work with you. you have to give us something.

do this so we can have deals in the future. i can roll over my party, roll over the minority. we're not getting anything done over the neex three -- i will give you a c.r. and a clean -- >> he john boehner said he would do it and he's backed up. >> john boehner has to assume he won't be speaker next time and start behaving that way. i think he'll actually see remarkable things happen when he does. >> there is a fundamental difference in the illegitimacy of the c.r. and what you could do on the debt ceiling. it's legitimate for john boehner to say in the past these have been conditioned. let's do something on that. put aside one issue. focus on the next. he started pivoting yesterday. that ought to be his approach. >> julie, obama care is a law passed by the house and senate. the supreme court put a rubber stamp on it as well. at this point, if you want to repeal it or make changes to it,

why wouldn't the republicans work on doing that by winning elections instead of at this point they're going to lose them at the rate they're going. perhaps getting a republican in the white house some day. then they can legally repeal the law if they feel that strongly about it is what joe -- given where we are now, is what joe just said possible -- boehner going to obama saying give me something i can work with after the way they have acted? >> it might be. the president said on friday if the republicans can pass a clean c.r., can pass a clean debt ceiling he's willing to talk with them on health care, on deficit reduction, on spending. you hear they could make a deal with the medical device tax. there are things the president could offer john boehner in exchange for passing the clean c.r. and clean debt ceiling. that's the the hold-up. can boehner get himself in the right mind frame to be willing

to do this. i think there is speculation about whether he would lose his speakership. i don't think it is a guarantee he would lose his speakership. i don't know if he's come to that place in his mind yet. >> it's not a guarantee if he continues acting this way that he'll get re-elected as speaker. that's the fun question thing. people that hold on this tight and are this fearful of the people they run usually lose in the end anyway. >> you talk about an adult in the room. there is one. his name is john boehner. he's the speaker of the house. he could do the it today. i don't know that the risk is so great to him of going out and passing a clean c.r., a clean debt court of appeal ing. what is the earthquake that comes after that? i don't think out's as big as he thinks it is. >> i think it's a guillotine. >> how so? >> if he were to pass a clean c.r. and a clean debt ceiling and get nothing for it they would take his head off in the middle of the washington monument. >> yeah. >> we might be surprised.

>> all right. >> this is what gingrich and clinton were able to do. i know chuck todd remembers this. gingrich would go down to the white house and say, you know, you've got to help me . scarborough, salmon, steve largent, those guys are crazy. help me . clinton would be like, i understand they're crazy, what do you need. they worked together to try ang late us and clinton would give gingrich things to come back and tell the rest of the house republicans. so they would stampede over us. and barack obama has the to realize whether he likes him or not, he's a partner with john boehner. if he want it is government to work he's got to find a way to help john boehner out of the corner. so enough of the caucus does what they did to us. >> boehner needs to understand he need s the president. julie pace, thank you very much. chuck, thank you as well. >> chuck, what's coming up at

9:00? >> more shutdown, little health care. a little at education nation week. >> i have that marked b on my calendar. >> i know you do. >> it's exciting. >> chuck, thank you. >> i bought my cards and everything. sending them out. >> it's fantastic. hallmark has the best education nation cards. >> the ones this year are nice. >> coming up it's a crowded green room this morning. we have new york city mayor michael bloomberg, l.a. mayor garcetti. >> in that room you have $20 billion in net worth. unbelievable. >> house majority whip stenny hoyer. peace of mind is important when you're running a successful business. so we provide it services you can rely on.

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wow. all right. here we are. 25 past the hour. here with us now uh house minority whip democratic representative from maryland congressman stenny hoyer. it's good to see you. >> good to be here. >> how are we doing? >> not well. we're playing chicken with the credit and reputation of the united states of america. really it's hard to feel what we are going to negotiate about. you have a republican house that send s to the senate a bill that does two things. it funds the government at the figure they think is appropriate, 988. >> yeah . >> and defunds obama care which nobody felt was going to pass. >> how long have you been in washington? >> 33 years. >> have you ever seen anything like this? >> no. 1995 and 96 when we shut down the government the argument was about the level of funding for education. >> joe's here. >> thank heavens. >> walking right in front of the camera. >> i thought i would be alone

with you, mika and this would be a great morning. >> i love it! >> stenny, you were talking about the good shutdown. >> there are no good shutdowns from my perspective. >> you understand, stenny, you said the same things about me in 1995 and 1996 that you are saying about ted cruz now. >> that wasn't the case. >> no, no. you said horrible things. >> you were never as hard a line. >> i was a lovable right wing nut. i still am. so we have had a lot of government shutdowns before. tip o'neal shut down the government. >> this is not your grandmother's shutdown. >> let me ask the question. how is this different from before? >> this is a tactic. not a result of the inability to get an agreement. this is a tactic to do something they knew they couldn't do -- defund obama care. >> sounds like they have given up on that already. >> i don't think they have given up. >> ted cruz isn't talking about obama care and the shutdown

anymore. >> i don't think anybody thinks when you hear them talk about the affordable care act that they have given up on getting rid of the affordable care act which they think will destairway the world and all the people in it. >> aren't they just trying to escape mow? >> they should be. >> i would hope it would be. speaker boehner had a hard line yesterday when he said we don't have the votes. >> why do you think he did that after saying this week, we'll get a clean debt ceiling. >> he gave a little bit of confidence and said, i'm not going to let the country default. then he pulled back yesterday. frankly we have 186 democrats who signed a letter which said they will vote for a clean debt limit extension. part of that is to give confidence to the markets that there are a large number uh of democrats. i think we'll get over 190 votes. so they only need 30 people to say i won't bridge the debt limit. >> they have it already with

peter king and -- >> yeah . we'll get 30 votes. >> you call yourself a right wing nut. when murp the house, i don't think that's the case. >> i still am. but that's the thing. you can be a right wing nut and still work with left wing nuts like you. >> enough charm, joe. >> that's my charm offensive for the day. >> there we are. the two nut cases duking it out. >> how important is it though -- and chris matthews talks about it in the book. i really was on economic issues and a lot of issues very, very conservative. but i still talked to you, you still talked to me. how important is it to talk to people you disagree with? >> without naminging names because i don't want to get them in trouble. there are 160 republicans in the house right now who think what's being done is irrational. let me tell you, they are all looking over their shoulder at

the tea party primary challengers. they have seen it in delaware where mike cassel lost. in indiana where richard luger lost. they are looking at missouri and nevada. had they had a main stream canada data -- >> they would have won. >> probably would have won the senate seats. >> yeah. >> some very conservative republicans -- we worked successfully across the aisle. i have a lot of close friends i work across the aisle with that say, we don't know what's wrong with these guys. the problem is -- the stark difference '95 to '96 is we had people who thought this is not a reasonable policy. let's get real. you have a lot of republicans who believe this is a reasonable policy. they bring the country to their knees and get what they want. >> it's in the going to happen. >> steve? >> let's bring it to the here and now. the president said over the weekend he will not negotiate

over the c.r. line line he will not negotiate over the debt court of appeal ing. they have to pass a clean c.r. and debt ceiling. which is surrender on the part of republicans. is that realistic in what would you advise the president for having a discussion to maybe as a bridge to a longer conversation about a bigger deal? >> first of all, you understand -- and i know you do -- the house sent the senate a number to fund government. in '95 the difference was clinton wanted to spend more money on education. they wanted to spend less. that's a pretty easy neg united nations. come somewhere in between. here, the republicans -- >> actually that's a misstatement steny. we wanted to balance the budget in seven years. you guys didn't want to. >> we did. >> we forced you to. >> because -- >> we forced you to. >> clinton -- >> ten years later you're talking about education.

i love you. it wasn't edge equation. it was about paying down the debt. >> and what happened? we balanced the budget, paid down the debt. how? >> by bringing democrats to their knees. >> i -- >> you know i'm joking, steny. we worked together. >> joe, hold on. it's an interesting analogy. gingrich made a deal with clinton. that was important. his right wing at that point in time in the party, you remember it. >> right now obama says he doesn't want to negotiate. clinton did negotiate. >> my point is the argument was about level of funding to balance. >> yeah. >> now the number that was sent -- >> you're taking the number. it's just in the c.r., not for the fiscal year. >> so it's not a long-term number for them or for us. >> it's a bridge to have a discussion. >> that's what the president wants to do. that's what he said he wants to do. we have tried to go to the

conference some 18 times in a budget conference. our number is $91 billion higher than the senate marked up number. so you go to conference, sit around a table like this and talk. but paul b ryan and the republicans refuse to appoint conferrees. harry reid tried to go to conference and the republicans objected. >> talking now about sitting down and talking we have been waiting to do it for six months, steve. that's what we ought to be doing. what we need and what the president is saying is, look, we need a short-term bridge, six weeks. they are talking ten. but six or ten weeks the to sit down and talk. like any democracy needs to do, compromise. >> all right, steny. thank you so much. >> congressman steny hoyer. >> i may disagree with you but, you know what, i can talk to you. >> how was dealing with joe compared to dealing with these guys? >> i was a little rough around the edges.

>> joe wasn't as tough. he talks a tougher game than he plays. he plays a reasonable game ultimately. that will hurt him. >> he just talked about the right wing nuts that were tough on gingrich. >> yeah . >> we ran him out of town. >> yes. >> we were tough. >> they ran him out of town and the result of the deal with clinton gave us four years of budget balance. >> thanks to the republicans. coming up, are americans gaming the system? why one say -- "60 minutes" had an amazing story last night about the disability racket. stick around.

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go read the statute. if there is a job many the economy you can perform you're not eligible for disability. that's pretty clear. so where did all those disabled people come from? >> the social security administration which runs the the disability program says the explosive surge is due to aging baby boomers and the lingering effects of a bad economy.

but senator tom coburn of oklahoma, the ranking republican on the senate subcommittee for investigations who is also a physician, says it is more complicated than that. last year his staff randomly selected hundreds of disability files and found that 25% of them should never have been approved. another 20%, he said, were highly questionable. >> if all these people are disabled that apply, i want them all to get it. then we need to fund it. but my investigation tells me , and my common sense tells me that we've got a system that's being gamed pretty big right now. >> that was part of a "60 minutes" piece about americans' growing dependence on social security disability insurance. the program currently serves about 11 million people and has a budget of $135 billion. that's more than the department of homeland security, justice department, and labor departments combined. the program's trust fund is

running out of money at an alarming rate. a hearing is set for today on the program that some say is full of abuse and that only has gotten worse amid the economic downturn. >> that's what the "60 minutes" investigation showed last night. did you see it? >> i did. >> it's staggering. >> the statistics are staggering. the system is being abused. >> totally. >> gamed. you have lawyers, if anybody here saw "homeland" like saul. they are factories. people go there that aren't disabled. they know how to cook the books and play the game to make people that can work disabled. >> this is a loophole of all loopholes. one of many reasons our entitlement system is unsustainable. >> it was stunning. >> a scam. >> it was a stunning piece. up next, a mayor's summit.

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lord host of "morning joe" . i like that title. can you change yours? >> we're working on it. next piece of legislation. that would be popular. >> your imprint is where in terms of major changes you have made to make the city more accessible to people and work better. in my opinion -- i mean , we went on a wonderful family trip downtown. i couldn't believe how different it was to 20 years ago. what do you think is working in terms of the efforts you have made? >> if you take money and improve the parks and schools people come here, generate more revenue and you get in a virtuous cycle where things get better and better. if you're in a city that things get worse turning it around is difficult. >> when you're in your position,

you always hear the negative. when you're not around, what i hear so many people saying is once bloomberg is gone and de blasio comes, crime will go up and taxes will go up. is that unfair? >> i think it is. you don't know who the next mayor will be or what he's going to do. number two, some things are beyond your control. number three, if we have done a good job in the last 12 year it is next mayor has a great advantage of things working and going in the right direction. i don't subscribe to this that the best days of new york are gone. i think the best days of new york are ahead. >> all right. i want to ask mayor garcetti going from new york to l.a. what's worked there? >> mayors are getting things done. look at the national level where things are broken. whether it's in new york and you see mobility and health. lisa in australia tackling climate change.

in los angeles we are building a new transportation network, opening a new international airport creating b jobs. i think mayors get things done in a way national leaders can no longer do. we don't care about the ideological divide. our constituents say fix this or you suffer in the same city that we do. >> it is a contrast to washington now. >> oh, my gosh. you mayors are on the ground floor. you've got to get it done. if not, you hear about it quickly from your constituents. >> remember, joe, washington created this disaster. there is no good guy here. they went and gerrymadonndered everything so small groups have enormous power. then they blame somebody else. they tried to protect their jobs -- democrats and republicans. >> this is the result. >> what can we learn from your story? >> from perth. >> my story is different. our systems of government are a

little different. we don't have the management of health and education. however it's true. cities are a new power. i think the may wrors are well placed to be influential in the development of cities. the world's population are movinging to cities. 75% of the world's population live in cities. this is the face and the entry point. when you go somewhere, you are arriving in the city. >> what's a great challenge for mayors? >> a great challenge for mayors is coping with growth and ensuring that we are ahead in terms of the t infrastructure provision we need in terms of the population movement toward the city. my city is experiencing fast growth now. we have a population of 2.4 million in the state. estimated to be 3.5 by 2050. we are playing catch-up in terms of public transport. we are on track and hopefully going to meet those timelines that we have given ourselves. >> as you leave after serving three terms, three very

successful terms what are the great challenges for new york city over the next decade? >> you can't rest on your laurels, joe. i was in london a couple of weeks ago. the number of exciting things happening in london is scary for new york and other cities. these guys are pushing ahead. they are trying to new things. they become edgy. we have to make sure we don't the lose the advantages we have. we have done a lot. the city is better than it was. hopefully it will be better in the next few years than it was in the last few years. it's always the same thing. mayors deliver services. congress, federal and state governments reallocate funds and they are never held accountable for a specific thing. you look at the charade going on in washington now. they have shut down the government. yes, except they are rehiring everybody for the defense department. everybody will get paid. so all they really shut down was the revenue side for the government. they didn't shut down the expense side. >> yeah. >> we'll get up to the end, my

guess would be. just before the cliff they will sigger out a way to kick the can down the road. that's what they always do. >> the mayor put together this city lab summit sponsored by the aspen road. >> the bloomberg and that's today or tomorrow. what do you hope to learn? >> my 100th day is tomorrow. >> really? >> the honeymoon is not going to be over because all of us can see things happening in the cities. we decided to do a climate change like in other cities. mayors are great copiers of one another. none of us has an original idea, but if we put things together what is happening on the east and the west coast, we are changing the world. >> if you talk about the transport. >> we are building it out.

we have a tax increase and have a subway that goes all the way to the sea and a rail way to los angeles. for a lot of cities, we can't wait on the state or the federal government to do it. we have to do it ourselves. >> the bike program. i never imagined that in new york city. >> off the charts. >> it's amazing. it started in paris and london and chicago and it worked every place that people try. it's the first mass transit that requires no state or city money. if people don't like it, it won't work. >> quickly, tell us. you have come a long way to come on "morning joe." tell americans that are watching the influences that watch this show, why should they get it? >> more people are waking up to

it. 61% of the world's population. we are a large state. i love this program. more important low a lot of americans need to appreciate. we have the largest american investment because it's energy. the alliance is strong between us, between the u.s. i'm proud of that. next time they are coming down, certainly we would love to welcome them. >> we want to ask you about a big local story with the motorcycle situation on the westside highway. there reports now that possibly one or two undercover cops were part of that group and did not step forward in any way. >> it is being investigated and i'm not sure it's true. in this group of motorcyclists, there were off duty cops.

i gather according to the paper, their job is to be undercover cops. the question is should they have identified themselves? i don't know what the facts are and i can't prejudge it? >> let mow ask you this. should they or shouldn't they have identified themselves, we will let that story play out, but let me ask you this. should they have helped like the good samaritans to stop the situation? >> no matter what your job is we have an obligation to help one another. if you see someone getting beaten up, let's jump in and stop the fight. if someone has a gun and a fight, most people would walk or run away. that's the reality of it. the good news is we have very few events like this. crime is way, way down. nobody thought we would get to where we are. one crime is one too many. one person getting beaten up. fortunately nobody was killed.

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>> with the shut down of the federal government and launch of obama care, to help you understand it all, it's time for winners and losers. loser, the obama care website had problems all week because was web traffic. you can't campaign that millions don't have health care and be surprised that millions don't have care. that is like being surprised on

valentine's day. >> winner, canada. senator ted cruz was born in canada so what we were worried about china and iran, a canadian shut down the government. >> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 on the west coast. are you awake? >> no. are you awake? >> wake up then. >> he was ark wake at 3:00 a.m. >> look at new york city. we have steve ratner and harold ford, jr. it's now week two of the shut down and increasingly like any deal to reopen, the federal government will hinge on the fast approaching debt limit deadline. last week it was house speaker john boehner saying he would not allow the government to default,

yesterday he took a harder stance. >> i will tell you what. the nation's credit is at risk because of the administration's refusal to sit down and have a conversation. >> they are saying it's because of your refusal with the debt limit. >> we are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase. neither will the president. the votes are not in the house to pass it. the president is risking default by not having the conversation with us. >> wait a minute. all through this i heard ted and everyone was calling it harry reid's shut down. this is a republican shut down. the tyranny of the minority. >> i wouldn't go that far, but john boehner, you want to look at the math of it, what john boehner said was incorrect. they do have the vote to pass it. they can pass it today. they have the votes to pass a

clean debt ceiling increase. they have that today. john boehner can go on the floor at 9:00 this morning. let's see how he actually reports. we don't usually like to be this specific. i would rather talk or exploit it. absolutely. we will go to jeremy peters. jeremy, this is not an opinion. let's talk fact right now from everyone you have talked to and everyone i have talked to, does it not seem to you that john boehner passed a clean cr today and a clean debt ceiling increase with republicans and all the democrats? >> i talked to the democrats and republicans yesterday who were bewildered by what boehner said. the way peter king put it, there 50 to 75 republican votes for this. peter king has been one of the republicans who has been counted. he thinks there will be 150 republican votes if this were a

secret ballot. that shows the appetite to get up out of this jam on the republican side of the aisle. john boehner's comments were interesting. what he was saying was okay, the far right conservative members of my conference and all the people that the world has been telling me to throw under the bus, i'm not going to do that. that contributed to an overwhelming sense of uncertainty and unease about how to get out of this. >> a lot of times when there is a negotiation and you have a very weak hand, you saw the chance of winning that negotiation, but you have to put on a poker face. didn't you suggest watching john boehner publicly that that was really more with the negotiations. i'm not trying to defend him, but i know what he said behind the scenes and i know how he is. i know he is not going to allow the debt ceiling and america to

default from the debt. i thought this is an act. do you get that sense or not? >> a little bit in the sense that i think it will get resolved, but i saw a john boehner -- there a number of occasions where they said i'm not going to let the country default and i will do this and that and clearly this hard right wing of this party has captured him and said this is the way it's going to be. i have done a lot of negotiations and every negotiation goes right to the dead line. i think we will be here at 8:00 on october 17th waiting for this to be resolved. i think boehner will find a way to get it resolved. we cannot pass a debt ceiling bill even though every other commentator would have if they went to the floor. >> many republicans question the party's current strategy.

if they think ted is leading this party down the path of deadlock. unidentified lawmakers with a room full of reporters. >> this is a top, top house republican. >> yeah. i would liken this a little bit to gettysburg where a confederate unit went looking for shoes and assembled the union cavalry and were on a battlefield they didn't intend to be on. meanwhile the administration officials and republicans fundamentally disagree over how severe the default seems for the economy. >> it's just not responsible. it's reckless to bring all that down if we don't get our way. then we need to negotiate. the president wants to negotiate. >> is the president ready to watch this country go into default with republicans? >> the president believes that the responsibility of congress

to know the consequences and this doesn't need to happen. this could happen today. >> will he not come to the table at all even at the risk of default? >> i don't believe any of them want to default. they need to look at how they let a majority work their will. >> it's irresponsible of the president to even talk about default. there is no reason for us to default. we bring in $250 billion in taxes. interest paid is $20 billion. tell me why we are in default. we had legislation called the full faith in credit act and that tells the president you must pay the debt. this is a game. >> it's remark the way house and washington had a mind game played. they raised united states and they are up against us needing to do something. the support started with obama care about defunding it and

delaying it and now they are talking about getting entitlement reform in the next ten days. >> i think obama white house enjoyed it if that's the right word, watching the republicans self destruct. their position has become weaker and weaker every day of the shut down. the idea that this would conclude in a return to what we speak of as a grand bargain where we look at entitlement issues and tax reform and all of the things that in theory are on the table in terms of reelection and heading into the beginning of congress. a lot of them think that would be good that took place after boehner took the debt ceiling default issue off the table. what struck me over the weekend, boehner really restricted his freedom of action in a sense that the air has gone out of his

arguments. soon he said i am not going to let a default happen. he is saying again, we will go right to the point of default. i can't do anything. i'm trapped. deal with me. bargain with me. the voluntary renunsiation he may not otherwise have. >> you have heard what they said on "meet the press" and it's no big deal. the default would have no big deal. >> it would have real ramifications and i heard them make the point about how the market is responding now. i thought one of the interesting moments, the reaction is october 17th, how hard of a date is october 17th and asking the context about how they made the participants and many interpret them as a moment that will pass and not rattling the bond markets as some think.

how do you believe october 17th should be perceived by being invested and two, the comments made by republicans that they are going to dig in. should the president come to the table and be willing to negotiate more? >> i really have to unpack that a little bit. the focus is more on the shut down being the immediate situation. october 17th you could see the market quite rattled. in 2011 when we were debating it was down like 16%. right now people perceive there will be some kind of last minute save and that's why the markets are not going as crazy as they are. i don't know if october 17th is the ultimate final day or not. it's not going to go on a lot longer. i do believe what rand paul is saying is completely irresponsible that we can somehow go over this and pay interest in our debt and not pay a lot of things including social

security and medicare and have an intact credit rating and set of financial markets is no big deal. that's crazy. i can believe that the end of the day as we get to the late night on the 17th, there will be a short-term deal to try to find a long-term deal and we will spark this all over again and we will watch it. >> would you advise the president to do anything different than they are doing now. he has some responsibility to come to the table and be the big adult? >> first of all the president is willing to negotiate over obama care and it now pivoted and they are talking about debts and deficits. the president also said he would not negotiate over the debt ceiling, but over the continued resolution because everybody has done that in the past.

you have nothing on the table. >> in an interview with the associated press, president obama was asked whether he met the freshman for freshman senators like rand paul and ted who make a flash on the national stage in their first term. >> what i care is -- my attitude is i should just keep a low profile and do the work. the media may not have, but i didn't go around quoting the media and certainly didn't go around trying to shut down the government. >> as for senator ted cruz, he weighed in on the current defense in the republican party over the shut down strategy. >> you think you hurt the republican party brand? >> not remotely, but poem are worried about politics. if we worry about what is impacting the american people, the politics take care of themselves.

if they are gazing at the polls, there is a reason why the most common sentiment across the country is politicians in washington are not listening. congress has 10 it 15% approval rating. >> it's because of exactly the type of thing he is doing. >> it's unbelievable. >> horrifying to watch. >> the reason why approval ratings for congress is dropping lower than ever before is because of what ted cruz is engineering. it's so short-sided for him. i think the republican party will recover and we had to deal with a lot of short sided things in the past and we will come by ted cruz, but he is sarah palin. >> with a brain. >> he is sarah palin of the u.s. senate. and a great go around with a small subset, but he will never

be president and he can then go public. >> a great interviewer a couple of times and it was like he was trying to contain her absolute shock at what she was saying and literally creating -- his humor. >> he thinks the american people and the republicans are a lot dumber than we actually are. >> exactly. >> he thinks he is talking to third graders. i went to harvard and princeton and i will talk around them. a lot of people from state schools and community colleges and high school degrees that can spot a snake oil salesman a mile away. i wanted to say that. on the barack obama deal, that's ridiculous on the other side. he is running for president the

second he got in the senate. harry reid said it. it's been reported. ted cruz, marco rubio and rand paul. they are all doing exact low what barack obama did as far as their career path. he didn't shut down the government, but he did vote against raising the debt ceiling. >> coming up on "morning joe," in the case of road rage, many asked all along where were the police? this morning there reports if you can believe this that off duty officers may have been at the scene and did nothing to stop it. nothing. a sin city get away for a very unlikely passenger. a 9-year-old boy makes it on to a flight to vegas by himself without a boring pass. how did that happen? >> i don't know, but i wish we had that game when we were 9 years old. >> up next, the story behind

republican ken cuccinelli giving the cold shoulder to ted cruz. another installment in the political playbook is ahead. first bill will have a check on the forecast. >> if it was that easy for all of us on a flight to vegas. on this monday, it will be the most difficult travel day for the week for the eastern half of the country. already heavy rain to north carolina and virginia. this is in the big city through the afternoon. airport delays are likely and severe storms. it's almost a spring-like feeling. we will feel strong storms in the yellow. light risk of severe storms and maybe even a tornado or two. philadelphia and up to new york and further to the north up to new york state. here's the timing of it. we look at washington, d.c. 2:00. a strong line of storms and only lasts about a half hour. the same for philadelphia. 5:00 for you.

around 5:00 to 6:00. the storm through rest of new england and hoping it will be weaker around boston around 10:00 tonight. middle of the country is fine. there will be airport problems in washington, d.c. and philly. it's humid and overcast at the capital and the thunderstorms will be on their way after the lunch hour. you are watching "morning joe."

>> time to take a look at the morning papers. "the washington post" said destroyed chemical weapons and things used to create them. there was a nine-month program and secretary of state john kerry praised the site. >> there is extremely significant information that yesterday, sunday within a week of the resolution being passed, some chemical weapons were already being destroyed. i think it's also credit to the assad regime for complying rapidly as they are supposed to. we hope that will continue. i'm not going to vouch today for what happened months down the road, but it's a good beginning. >> from the times, voters in newton, connecticut accepted a $49 million grant from the state to build a new elementary school

that has been closed since the deadly shooting on december 14th that will be demolished. the kids have been attending a new school in nearby monroe. the new school will open in 2016. >> they are trying to figure out what caused a monster struck to plow into speck stators. eight were killed and 80 others injured. alcohol was detected on the driver's breath and he has been detained on suspicion of manslaughter. >>a i new update on the infamous biker attack in new york caught on camera. according to the new york post, at least one off duty under cover officer was with the bikers and did nothing to stop the beatings that took place. the nypd is investigating why the cop or cops didn't intervene and one came forward days after the incident and has been placed

on modified duty. the identity of the cop in question is not released. >> the cop or cops that were under cover did not want to blow their cover reportedly and did nothing? yet there was a good samaritan who came in and got in the middle of everything and said stop, stop, stop. why couldn't they at least try to stop it? i don't understand. >> a father, a mother, and a baby are in a car and a guy is getting beaten senseless, it's time for the cop to blow his cover. it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter. >> a lot of questions there. minneapolis star tribune boards a flight to vegas without a boarding pass? officials are trying to figure out how he got on the flight. the plane landed las vegas

police and child protective service took him into custody and they are arranging his return. >> that's great because he has a flight to paris over the weekend. a big weekend for george clooney and sandra bullock. i have to say, that makes me tired. gravity exceeded expectations finishing at number one at $6 million and breaking the record for the biggest october debut ever. i have to say, you look at the graphics, they look almost as real and lifelike as the lego toys my children use. >> the reviews have been

incredible. i have seen universally good reviews. >> those two are great actors. i'm sure it's more than what she did. they decided to pick up the craft. that's what she does. >> let's look at the playbook. >> good to see you. >> i saw gravity. it's a good film. you should check it out. >> are the graphics better than they appear there? >> i recommend to see it in 3d. it's a lot better. it's good to see a film that doesn't involve aliens and hokey music. it's early realistic. >> nothing works. let's talk about the virginia governor's race. ken cuccinelli was in richmond, virginia over the weekend where ted cruz was as well. ken cuccinelli avoided at all cost being seen with ted cruz.

>> it was the annual fund-raising dipper f-- dinner for them. they talked about the government shut down and he could use all the help he could get. not only were there no photos back stage, but ted cruz was working with democrats and although ted cruz kind of lavished on ken cuccinelli, he didn't mention ted cruz's name once during that entire time. on top of that you add the fact when these type of things happen and you rewrite the story, you get a sense of push back from ken cuccinelli saying no, no, no. he is not pushing back. this is the story they have out there and virginia has 175,000 furloughed workers that are

pretty dependent on federal money. ken cuccinelli and ted cruz, no lost love over the weekend. >> and it's about separation from the government. i'm not dealing with what happened in washington. don't stick this on me when 175,000 people are out of work in virginia. >> when you look at the campaign, there is overarching theme. anti-d.c. insiders. his d.c. connections. >> anything that ken cuccinelli can distance himself from what's happening and the people who are making it happen is beneficial to his campaign. >> you have two big governor's races and you have one in virginia which is a state that is more likely republican than new jersey. the governor of new jersey is walking away with this thing, backing republicans in washington, d.c. he's a republican insider and doing great. then you have ken cuccinelli in

the state of virginia, a state that won by 20% and he is struggling big time. he won't even be seen on the same stage as ted cruz. they were at the same effect. he gave a speech and got off and wouldn't have his picture taken with him. this is what people were doing to sarah palin years in. they are doing this to ted cruz. it is more likely republican in this state. that's good news. >> backing republicans and watching for the different thick in new jersey. he wouldn't be seen with him the other day. >> a look at the playbook and no hokey music. coming up on "morning joe" from the barrio to capitol hill, luis gutierrez joins us and his unlikely path to congress and we will weigh in on the shut down

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>> 34 past the hour and democratic representative from illinois, luis goutier ez. he is out with a book still dreaming.

this book comes out when? >> today. >> today's subject. congratulations. you wrote this over the past year or two? >> i would say a little more than two years. >> you still dreaming now? >> even when the government is shut down? even now? >> let me put it to you this way. number one, my mom and dad came from new york city in 1952 from puerto rico. didn't understand the language. you pick up the "new york times," they said puerto ricans came to bring their visas. they were all on welfare. the kids got to go to congress. i went to public university and public school and slept on a cot in my apartment. when i was listen, my dad said you have to sleep in the same room with your sister.

it's kind of traditional up bringing of a migrant family to america. i get to negotiate comprehensive immigration reform with the president of the united states. number one. on the other hand, i think there is still value to bipartisans p bipartisanship. paul ryan i invited to come up from chicago. it was a big yawn with a lot of the sectors. republicans working together. you know what paul ryan got? thens of thens if not million was dollars of negative commercials in august. when i went to the democratic caucus it's not that they said oh, great, you are working to solve this problem we care about. you reached over the aisle. they said go find republicans. they said what's up with the democratic leadership. i found them and we are fighting. i think right now, here's the good part of the story. there 45 to 50 republicans ready

to vote for comprehensive immigration reform. that doesn't change. 180 out of the 200 or maybe more. let's have a vote and get this issue behind us. as paul ryan said to me one time, i don't want to do it because it's the political thing to do. we are both catholic. >> how great for you two guys to talk about it and working to to find common solutions. you talk about your father. it must have been a strong force in your life. here's a man that brought you to america and then took you back to puerto rico for your education and high school and safety. in chicago at the time you actually had members of gangs being shot. >> you don't know it at the time, but if you reflect, one of the good things about writing a memoire is to reflect on your

life. you see the democratic convention in 68 and martin luther king assassinated. we had a picture of john f. kennedy. we have a picture. very, very catholic. he was the first catholic president of the united states. not only was he assassinated, his brother was. for my parents it was devastating. they saw chaos. the chaos in 68 and 69, the riots and what they saw was gangs, drugs and chaos. >> what do you see now? look at chicago now and all of that. >> one thing about the city of chicago, there many wonderful -- the lines have been blurred between whites, latinos and african-americans. the fact that the african-americans elected rahm emmanuel and barack obama, that was not the city i grew up in. >> would you make the same move today?

would you take your son there? >> no, i wouldn't. the prime rate and the murder rate in puerto rico is higher, about twice the average of the united states. it is very different. when my parents did it, they took me back. i write in the book. i picked coffee beans and paid sugar cane cutters. you know to watch men and women hard at work, you know what it means? hey, luis. it's a myth and a lie. that puerto ricans are lazy. they work very, very hard. the other thing is there so many other things they thought i could be. the mayor of puerto rico and the governor was. in chicago, i have to say, it was my mom and dad watching that. waking up and getting to work. he did what a lot of others did. she spoke only spanish.

my dad drove a cab. my dad walked away from like -- think of microsoft. he was offered his employer and said stay here. lincoln park today. go to west willow where i live. go there today. you can see my dad. he said no. he wanted to take his children and put them in a place. i am working hard to get that done. >> with immigration, with several months to go, you have the whole distraction and the government shut down and the debt ceiling. are you confident that you can roll that back up the hill? or you think the moment is passed on comprehensive immigration reform? >> no. as we know, the bill looks good for the next year and four more months. right? my hope is, look.

we are in a really dark tunnel right now. we are not going to get it done right now, but clearing the air before thanksgiving, before and christmas, you can't bring this about enough. whether it's the very conservative tea party, i sat down and worked with democrats too. we have to get a group of people who said this is not a political ping pong we will use for our own benefit, but we will take care of this problem. the audience should understand, i care deeply. i can't think of my mom and dad and the immigrant experience and not be an immigrant saying why did they spend all that time and energy raising me if i don't raise my boys today. that's the issue that opens up. on the other hand, we need them for our economy. we need them for our nation.

you know what, i want every job permitted in american for an american born here to have first crack at it, but there will be other jobs. i am for e verify and security. the only way to get that, we have to get rid of the smugglers and figure out how to get people here legally. >> the book is still dreaming. from barrio to capitol hill. congressman luis gutierrez. >> gon grat ucongratulations. . >> i just heard this. up next, big news when it comes to twitter and tv ratings. up next with kelly evans. we are back with more "morning joe."

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. >> you know, brian, two big red sox games this weekend. you look at a beautiful shot of new york city. that is a chamber of commerce picture right there. >> phil was just saying he saw pictures that i would recognize. first you support them back. there is a first right there. everybody is so happy. john travolta is on the front and everybody is happy. look at mike. >> why is he angry? >> we don't want no hollywood stars around him. he wants to watch the baseball

game. he said john travoltaa is a nice guy. look at the face. >> he doesn't look happy. >> no. you know what he likes to do? watch baseball games. try talking to barnacle. >> not going to happen. >> he's a purist. he is there for love of the game. not for a hollywood star. >> cnbc's kelly evans. the shut down, how is it affecting markets? >> not very good news i'm afraid. we could open with the dow down by 100 points. this follows a rally on friday. no news, no progress with regarding to ends the fiscal impasse over the weekend. ironically this is making people buy in instead of selling off the borrowing costs. the dollar is weaker and stocks are off and people will be watching the news carefully out

of washington. in the meantime, they are used out of a company that is not public low traded yet. that's twitter. we have two things happening. sun trust is saying they think twitter will be worth $50. even though they have it and it could be months before they begin trading. you also see this headline that will partner with nielsen and what they all right do. >> you can come for important things for nielsen as well and they need this more than twitter does. >> the other interesting thing is whether or not the twitter ratings are going to matter for advertisers. a lot of the times, the shows that are the buzziest online are not the most viewed shows. if twitter becomes more

important to the way people view television, it will be great for everyone involved. if not it could be an exercise in trying to do something that actually doesn't have the effect that people are looking for. >> wow. >> kelly evans, thank you very much. >> we're need to take a look at the narcotics. it's down. >> up next, one of the most anticipated movies of our holiday season. we talk to ben stiller. why is he doing that? >> it had to be a train righde. >> who let him go? lyrics: 'take on me...' ♪ ♪ 'take me home...' ♪ 'i'll be gone...' ♪ 'in a day or...'

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>> the u.s. film 50 val is in full swing and ben stiller has the world premier. the film about man's fantasy is jen waiting oscar buzz. and lewis went there and caught up with the cast on the red carpet.

can we go to lewis? he will talk now and working on this. let's go to lewis. you talk. ready and go! >> what did you like about working on this? >> it always stays on. >> it made me feel like i was working on something -- [inaudible]. >> i had to jump in and do it and then they were there packing in the actors. you have to be an actor and that's ultimately -- [inaudible]

>> this was done in a small doghouse. >> who was your number one fan? >> to fly like super man. having all the girls kiss me. all the girls kiss me. >> probably like someone like hurting my mom. i don't want to do that. >> this is deeper than your other films?

>> let's see. [inaudible] working on a new one. >> i like it. kind of soft. >> i might be hated, lewis, but he was like moving on. i like the other movies. this was pretty good. >> it was good.

>> welcome to the government shut down camera. >> what day are we on? >> no pictures of princess leia. time to talk about what we learned today. i learned that ben stiller hates you. >> be quiet now. >> i'm going to kill you. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around because chuck todd and -- >> "the daily rundown" is next. >> you killed it! >> no end in sight. speaker boehner doesn't like to say compromise, but he has another word he can't stop talking about. we will tell you what it is.