coming up next for us here and now it's ed with "the ed show." ♪ i gotcha ♪ uh-huh ♪ you thought i didn't see you now didn't you ♪ ♪ uh-huh huh good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. we're not shut down and we're not going to default. let's get to work. ♪ imagine me and you i do ♪ ♪ i think about you day and night ♪ >> he knows what my phone number is. all he has to do is call. i get emotional. >> we're not going to negotiate under the threat of economic catastrophe that economists and ceos increasingly warn would result if congress chose to default. >> i'm a reasonable guy. i'm a reasonable guy. >> don't tell me democrats, that john boehner is a nice guy. because nice guys don't do this. >> the press is risking default by not having a conversation. >> 24 hours a day, i live with this aching possibility that you might call me.

>> i'm ready for the phone call. i'm ready for a conversation. >> i cannot do that under the threat that if republicans don't get 100% of their way, they're going to either shut down the government or they are going to default on america's debt. >> i'm a reasonable guy. i'm a reasonable guy. >> o god, i made eye contact. >> it's time for us to sit down and have a conversation. >> this is selfish, it is self-centered, it is outrageous. >> no, i'm a pretty emotional guy. >> nice people don't do this. >> i'm ready for the phone call. >> what am i supposed to do? you won't answer my calls, you change your number. >> i'm a reasonable guy. i'm a reasonable guy. ♪ what a nice little package that was. are you believing now that boehner is a nice guy? that he's a reasonable guy? that all the president has to do is pick up the phone and say, come on down! let's make a deal.

you know, words matter. and i can tell you, as a broadcaster, when you say something, people pay attention and you can get in hot water in a heartbeat. you might not admit it that way, but that's just kind of how it came out. ever been there? words matter and how they are interpreted are very, very important. and what this man is saying to the american people right now is, we might not pay the bills. let me go on record tonight. i think that we are headed for default. absolutely, no question about it. the republicans, you can't trust them, you've never been able to trust them. all they care about is themselves. and we will default. in ten days. i believe that. it's all part of their mission to take down the president, to ruin his legacy, and they don't care about the economy. they care about power and they care about position, they care about winning. so the interpretation right now really isn't all that important. because they have got this mission. let me talk about absolutes for

a moment. if you're the giants and you're 0-5, you're not very good. if you're the broncos and you're 5-0, you're pretty damn good. and that's a number. conservatives love to talk about absolutes. they think they have a lock on the market when it comes to absolutes. i think this is one of the reasons why sports is so popular now, because the only thing we can count on, because we actually get a number. we know the giants suck. we know the broncos are pretty dog gone good. that's an absolute. what's the absolute here? the absolute here is that this man has a lot of power. this man can make a decision to make sure that we pay the bills as a country, and we don't default. boehner says, he has absolutely no problem using the debt limit as a bargaining tool to reduce spending. >> we are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase. >> under no circumstances? >> i told the president, there's no way we're -- the votes are

not in the house to pass a clean debt limit. and the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. >> so under no circumstances will you pass a clean debt limit. >> we are not going down that path. it is time to deal with america's problems. how can you raise the debt limit and do nothing about the underlying problem? george, we've spent more than what we brought in for 55 of the last 60 years. >> interesting. interesting, interesting. he says he doesn't have the votes. well, the only way you and i would get an absolute on that is if he put it on the floor for the vote and we got that number. earlier today, president obama called out house republicans on holding the debt limit hostage. he warned, their actions could have grave consequences. >> the second thing congress needs to do is to raise the debt ceiling next week. so the treasury can pay the bills that congress has already spent. that's what most americans do if they buy something, they buy a car or if they buy a house. if they put something on a credit card, they understand

they've got to pay the bills. this is something routine. it's been done more than 40 times since ronald reagan was president. it has never before been used in the kind of ways that the republicans are talking about using it right now. we can't threat an economic catastrop catastrophe in the midst of budget negotiations. >> i think there are some americans out there saying, gosh, i think boehner talks a little bit better than obama. well, obama, the president, really wasn't on his game today. well, he said it, but he really dant say it as strong as boehner did, so boehner must be telling the truth. let's say we don't pay our bills. you know what -- you know where we are? we don't have any maps. that's -- that's an absolute. we don't have any maps. we're in unchartered waters. there are no experts that we can turn to and bring in-studio and say, do you know for certain what is going to happen if the united states of america doesn't pay its bills? well, when boehner opened his mouth, boom, this is just kind

of tip of the iceberg. the market goes down. we're -- oh-oh! we're below 15,000. the psycho analysts now are saying we're below -- the economy must be tanking now. we're below 15,000. we're down 136. the s&p off, the nasdaq. well, look at this. we really don't know what would happen if we don't pay our bills, because in the history of the country, we have never been there before. get ready. that's where the republicans are going to take us. you know what i think could be the saving grace in all of this? our allies. is there room for the canadians, the germans, the brits? we borrow a hell of a lot of money from the japanese. could we get some asian countries to step up and say, really don't think you want to do this? you see, right now this is america's problem.

if we don't pay our bills, it's their problem. there are no experts out there that can guarantee us that we're going to stay above 15,000. that investors, not a problem at all. paying the bills, well, that's really not all that important. credit, what are you talking about? we have a broken political system, and you know what, the forefathers, they missed this one. they have -- they have no frame that can control this kind of thinking. washington is totally wacko right now. and so i'm hoping that maybe there might be some foreign advice out there. maybe we could have lunch over freedom fries or something. maybe an economic summit so the rest of the world can tell the united states of america, you better get your act together, because this is what's going to happen. and in the meantime, you and i, we're held hostage. i can't pick up the phone and call detroit lakes, minnesota, the city, and say, i'm not

paying my utility bill this month. because if i do that, they'll shut off my water, and sometimes it gets really cold up there in the wintertime and i don't want to have my family freeze our ass off. there are absolutes. what are the absolutes here? let me give you the absolutes. show mebaner again. this man, john boehner, has the power to do something about it. this guy getting in the way of cruz. he has the gavel. he is very powerful right now. he can absolutely call for a vote. we can find out if he's got the votes. he can absolutely turn the american people and say, don't worry, i have confidence in my ability, i'm going to go over and get in the face of the president and we're going to sit down and do a deal, like, you know, uh, the gipper and tipper or whatever -- used to do? remember those guys? i think somebody wrote a book about that. good reading. i must say. good job, chris matthews. this guy -- that's an absolute! this is an absolute.

he has the power to do it. meanwhile, there's fringe canadian senator ted cruz. he's loving life. he's going off the deep end. cruz said on sunday, the debt limit debate should be used in an effort to defund obama care. >> in my view, the debt ceiling, we should look for three things. number one, we should look for some significant structural plan to reduce government spending. number two, we should avoid new taxes. and number three, we should look for ways to mitigate the harms from obama care. since 1978, the debt ceiling has been raised 55 times. >> just so i -- so you think that some facet of the president's health care plan should be attached to an increase in the debt ceiling. >> the debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that congress has to reign in the executives. >> so yes? >> yes,yes. >> yes, yes, yes. notice how the list is growing?

you can always trust republicans. nothing has been more crystal clear than right now in our history. they don't care about the success this country has made, and they just care about political power. they want that grab. "usa today" reports, interestingly enough, the demand overwhelmed healthcare.gov. the government expected the site to draw 60,000 simultaneous users. instead it was drawing $250,000 users at the same time. more than 8 million people who apparently weren't sold on obama care just happened to hit that website. they visited the site monday through friday of last week. so i guess the administration did a pretty good job with all the messaging after all. obama care is off to a great start. fox news hates it. and the people signing up for heart atta health care are doing it and love it. and finding out, damn, this is not all that expensive, this is a deal. the fact the republicans want to use the debt limit to take away your health care is down right

dangerous. the republican mission for years has been to privatize the big three. this is why they are freaking out about obama care. the popularity is killing them. this is why they're talking about default. they can't let this happen. they want to privatize social security, medicare and medicaid. they want to streamline everything into the private sector. they don't want any government involvement whatsoever. and they will shut down the government and they will not pay the bills to get their way. the word is treason. the treasonist, john boehner. the united states is at risk right now. and i hope that there will be some foreign folks that will step up and say, you really don't want to do this. keep in mind, they are big-picture. they want the ryan plan. that's really what they want. get yours cell phones out. tonight's question. is john boehner -- is he playing russian roulette with the american economy? text a for yes, text b for no to

67622. you can leave a comment at ed.msnbc.com. the results later on the show. i'm on record tonight saying we will default. it's the republican plan. they want to tarnish president obama. they want him going down in history as being on his watch that he's the first president to see this country default. they love that history book. for more, let's bring in senator john tesser of montana who serves in the senate finance committee. your thoughts on the environment in washington and where we are right now. good to have you with us tonight. >> good to be with you, ed. well, we've got a long ways to go, and it's unfortunate, because, you know, the debt limit is literally playing with fire. and i hear what you're saying. hopefully some of our allies will come in, but the fact is this, ed. we need to get together and increase the debt limit. and then deal with the debt and deficit after that point. we're dealing with a full faith and credit of this country. and if we don't increase the debt limit, we saw a little bit of what can happen back in 2011.

when our credit rating was decreased. i think if we do that, if we move forth and don't increase the debt limit, you're going to see this country with some pretty dramatic bad economic things happen. and you're right, when it comes to the blame game, then they can turn back and blame the president or blame harry reid. but the fact is, as my father once told me, you point a finger, there's three pointing right back at you. and if the debt limit isn't increased, the people who are responsible for this need to be held totally accountable. >> senator, i have a theory what they're trying to do is rope the democrats into a big play that would make major cuts to entitlements and the way to do that is to right to the edge of default and get the dps democrats to the table for a big deal. isn't that what they generati generationally really want? >> it probably is what they want, they have been talking about it for a long time. and i'm not saying all of them, i think a minority of them. i think the bottom line here is,

ed, if we're forced into a big deal, it won't be -- it won't be a good deal for the american people and for american business. i talked to a bunch of business people just this afternoon about the debt limit. and i can tell you that without exception they are all very, very concerned about what some of these hard right folks want to do to the economy. and it's going to hurt working families, it's going to hurt small business, big business. it's going to hurt entrepreneurs, it's going to hurt the folks in agriculture. it not a good thing. and we need to get together and fix the problem and we need to minimize the minority that's created this problem. and you talked about speaker boehner. speaker boehner needs to show some leadership and get the continuing resolution on the floor and get the debt limit on the floor. i know they'll both pass. and if he doesn't think so, let's get it on the floor and find out different. >> well, that's all we would have to do is put it on the floor. we can get that absolute. we can get that hard number. we can find out if we're beaten or undefeated. that's really where it's at. if you want a hard number, if you want to prove your case, put it on the floor and let's see

how this whole thing votes and clear the air. but he won't even do that. senator, what are business people telling you? are we going to see belt tightening like we have never seen before? are we going to see double-digit interest rates, are we going to see almost the -- impossible for middle class families to be able to borrow money? what's going to happen? we don't have any experts on this. >> well, i think for -- the very starting point, i'm not an economist, i'm a farmer. but the economists i talk to say you can look for a substantial increase in interest rates, not only on our national debt, but for those folks out there who have borrowed money. and any time you see those kind of interest impacts -- >> yeah. >> -- you'll see contraction, you'll see people get laid off, you'll see more pressure put on employment insurance. look, if they follow through with this, and don't increase the debt limit, it's going to increase our national debt significantly. we're starting to see -- because of the recession that we had four years ago, we're starting to see the economy bounce back, and we're starting to see the

deficit being reduced. we've got to do more. no mistake about it. but you don't do it -- you don't do it this way, withholding a gun to your head on the debt limit issue, or with the continuing resolution. >> all right. from the senate finance committee, john tester from montana, good to have you on "the ed show" tonight. thank you, sir, appreciate it. i want to bring in former virginia congressman, tom periel periello, center for american progress fund. one question tonight. liberal groups in this country right now that want to see the democrats hold the line, what role do they play in keeping the president strong right now? >> i actually think the president is holding strong, but only strong after already conceding the budget points to the republicans. so i think it's important for progressive groups to make clear and moderate groups to make clear, this should not be a game. we should have a clean cr. we should have a clean raising of the deficit ceiling. and get this thing done with. and i think people need to understand that. >> and what about boehner? the speaker seemed to have

hardened his position before he went in front of the media on the talking heads yesterday. he wasn't talking like this last week. he was much more direct. he was much more in the president's face. much more saying this is going to happen, and it's not our fault. and he doesn't have the votes. he said he doesn't have the votes. we didn't hear any of that last week. what do you make of that? >> well, you know, i think there's a somewhat dangerous narrative that emerges every time we head into one of these crises that boehner is secretly a moderate or secretly a statesman, and i am more than welcome to see that. we would welcome it with open arms. but that's not how even the fiscal cliff deal was reached at the end of the year. that was much more mitch mcconnell than john boehner. so i think we need to understand that this is going to be a serious fight for the next ten days. you saw such radical publications as bloomberg and business week coming out this -- today, making very clear how serious this issue of the debt ceiling is. now that we start to see these

debt ceiling truthers out there, suggesting it wouldn't really wreck the american or global economy. so i think we need to focus on the facts and the stakes here and eventually we do need some folks to rise up in the republican party and do the right thing. >> tom periello, good to have you on "the ed show." thank you. remember to answer tonight's question. share your thoughts on twitter at ed show and facebook. like us on facebook. we appreciate that. we always want to know what you think. coming up, miley cyrus and the snl cast make the republican party the butt of a joke. actually, that was pretty easy. plus, marsha blackburn tries to appeal to president obama's sweet tooth? >> hey. ♪ ♪ cookie time [ banker ] sydney needed some financial guidance

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join today at angieslist.com time now for the trenders, "ed show" social media nation has decided and we are reporting. by the way, this is where you can hook up with the ed team, 24/7. thanks so much. now you have reported, we have reported, you have decided. so this is what we love to do in our show. here are today's top trenders, voted on by you. >> shut it down. >> the number-three trender, republican parody. ♪ ♪ if you're ready for health care ♪ ♪ can i get a heldo ♪ because we're going to keep a shut down ♪ >> "saturday night live" does a takedown of the shutdown. ♪ so republican party doing whatever we want ♪

♪ and we did stop and we did stop ♪ ♪ >> the number two trender. kitchen conspiracy. >> it's called a progressive dishwasher. you would think if you're a dishwasher, you would think maybe it would be the new conservative dishwasher. conserve water. >> glenn beck pushes progressive paranoia. >> i'm looking for some paint. i'm not kidding you, progressive paint. so now it's progressive paint, progressive appliances. look how they are just imbedding this everywhere. to make sure that you always understand that progressive is a good thing. >> because you know, that's crazy talk. >> and today's top trender, c is for compromise. ♪ c is for cookie >> marsha blackburn makes a

sweet deal with president obama. >> president obama wants to work with you. >> come on down. i'll bake him cookies. >> i'm not sure about these cookies. we are greeting him with open arms and an invitation. >> i'm pretty partial to those mint -- those mint -- ♪ sugar ♪ oh honey honey >> joining me now is congressman george miller of california. great to have you with us tonight. if we can start from this position, the republicans say that the democrats will not negotiate. what does that mean to you? >> it means they're living in a dream world. it means they're living in denial of everything president obama has tried to do to negotiate. it means that they deny the fact that we've come down on the -- on the continuing resolution budget number from 998 to 996. it means that they refuse to put

their budget into play to see if we can negotiate. they were so proud of their budget when they passed it months oh and months ago, and yet they refused to go to a conference committee with the senate to work out the differences between the budget and the senate and the budget in the house. so they wanted to stay away from any resolution of this issue and any place. >> aren't they putting the democrats in a defensive position, though? the law is the law. health care is here to stay. they've used this as the bargaining chip to open the door to a greater discussion about the debt limit and, of course, the grand bargain they want. this is where i see it evolving. your thoughts. >> i think it shows how out of touch with reality they are. the affordable care act has left the station. hundreds of thousands of people all across the country, millions of people, in fact, across the country are trying to find out how they can get the benefits of the affordable care act for their families, for themselves, for their employees. and that's the fact. and but they -- what they said, they were prepared to burn down the house. to stop the affordable care act.

that didn't happen. but now they keep trying to bring it back into the negotiations. they still want to overturn. they want to repeal it, they want to nullify it. they have lost touch with reality, except they're holding our economy hostage as they lose touch with reality. >> do you take issue with what boehner says. if he puts it on the floor, would the cr have the votes? >> i think the cr would have the votes, a clean cr, because we know there's 20 to 22 to 23 republicans out there. >> so he's lying. >> that would support that effort. >> he's misrepresenting his caucus. he's going back and sticking with the tea party faction of his caucus, even though they're a minority. he's empowering them. >> congressman, you said this last week. here it is. >> the gentleman from montana yesterday came to the floor and said it's hurting the local economy. the gentleman from california came and said the towns around yosemite. was he thinking about that when he voted originally to shut down the government? he was prepared to sacrifice the local economy. he was prepared to sacrifice the

towns around yosemite when he was on a jihad against american citizens getting access to health care! >> you regret those words at all, congressman? >> not at all. what they were doing was saying unless you were prepared to repeal the obama care, they were prepared to shut down the government of the united states. and to put the economy -- put the economy into a tailspin and even threaten the debt limit of this country. and the point was this. the point was this. they have since now come to the floor and tried to relieve the pressure around the national parks, tried to relieve the pressure around the national institutes of health. try to make sure that they didn't know that they were going to be denying food to newborn, low birth weight babies. so the point of the matter is, they thought it was simple to shut down the government. and all of a sudden they had to focus on the reality. and the reality is very tough for them. so now they're trying to do a patchwork opening of the government. why don't they sit down, pass a clean cr until november 15th. we have -- we have 200 democrats that were going to sign that cr,

bring us 18 republicans, and do your negotiations, but don't do it by holding the government hostage or the recipients of government services hostage. >> congressman, what are the chances of a discharge petition? >> well, the fact is, every discharge petition that's had 218 signatures has been brought to the floor. and the fact is, many instances, a discharge petitions with less than a majority have been brought to the floor. we have 200 democrats ready to rock and roll over this next week and signing a discharge petition. we know there's 22 republicans out there who have told us personally they want this over with, they want to get a bipartisan effort. we're making this opportunity available to them. and we hope that they will join us in that effort and we can restore the economic growth in this economy and we can restore sanity to the government. >> and who is the best democrat to knock on republican doors to get that done in the house? >> we all have different relations and we've all been talking to them and they have been talking to us. >> and you think it's a chance -- you think it's a real possibility? >> those votes are there. if the leadership will free

them. >> okay. >> that's the test. >> congressman miller, great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate it. thanks so much. coming up, nbc news kicks off education nation. and we have an "ed show" exclusive with a remarkable young man. still ahead, a florida man's random act of kindness is helping a classroom full of children this school year. but next, i'm taking your questions on "ask ed live." stay with us. we're right back. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligations.

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authorization of the congress. so the responsibility is for john boehner to pay the bills. why people can't understand that, i don't know. our next question is from oscar medina. how badly do you think the shutdown will hurt the republicans in 2014? at this point if there is resolution between now and we default, i'm not quite -- i'm not really convinced that that will bother the republicans in 2014. they might lose a few seats, i'm not convinced they will lose the house over it. if we default, i think it could really destroy the republicans. but, you know what? this is not about political gain. this is about -- serious business about this country paying its bills and being able to function to give stability to its citizens. stick around. there's a lot more coming up on "the ed show."

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educators and students will gather here in new york city to participate in sessions exploring what it takes to achieve student success. here on "the ed show" we fought against the widespread attack of teachers and education and how they are defunded around the country. a few months ago, i was fortunate enough to meet this young man, a shanjohnson when the board of education voted to close, this young man spoke up. at 9 years old, he made headlines, standing up to mayor rahm emanuel. >> you need to invest in these schools, not closing them. you should be supporting these schools, not closing them! we are going to city hall. we are not toys. we are not going down without a fight! >> after becoming an internet sensation, ashan and his family joined me at the essence festival in new orleans.

>> no matter how big we make a difference, we all need to come together as united as one so he can hear the message that everybody in chicago, everyone that's -- when schools close, you need to come together as a unity to stop those school closings wherever you're at. >> and then he joined our team in washington, d.c. for the 50th anniversary of martin luther king's march for a jobs and freedom march. ashan was the youngest speaker at that event. >> every child deserves a great education. every school deserves equal funding and resources. he encourage all of you to keep dr. martin luther king jr.'s dream alive. >> all voices must be heard. i think he has taught this country a few moves. he taught me a few moves with the cupid shuffle. i'm still getting comments on that, by the way there, big guy. joining me now is ashan johnson

and his mother, sean ease reynolds. we couldn't have education nation in this country without talking about the activism and the role that you have played and shining a light on exactly what is so terribly important in school districts around the country and that's resources. what has it been like going back to school this year with that conversation about resources? >> well, it's been very sensational, because as you know, our schools stayed open, and every time i hear that everybody is saying every day, yes, our school stayed open, the first day of school, my teacher was talking about how it was a very special year because our school stayed open. so when we had our resources, we have our ipads now, and that's one of the resources we use a lot lately, because it helps us out with the stuff we need that we can do. and everything else. >> what has it been like for the

students knowing that the school was saved? >> well, it's been pretty exciting for them. and they have been happy. i've seen a lot of kids talk about -- i heard one of my friends and he said you know what, sean, it seemed like yesterday our school was closing and now it's open, back open. >> asean, let me ask you this. i'll go right to our intro tonight. what does it take to achieve student success? i want you to answer that question. what do you think it takes to achieve student success? >> well, i think it means to achieve student success is to do your best, never give up, and always do your homework and stay on point of everything on everything you need to do for schoolwork. >> so you've got to be responsible. nobody is going to give it to you, right? >> yes. >> all right, seanice, an interesting ride, hasn't it?

>> yes, it has. >> what has really culminated from this, as you see it? >> i see a lot of youth standing up and fighting back for what they deserve. and that's resources. i'm seeing a lot of students stand up all over chicago, all over the city, for what they deserve. and that's more resources in their schools. i'm looking at the students organize and speaking about my school does not have these things. we need to get together and fight for these things. i'm looking at walk-outs, boy costs. the students in chicago boycotted the third day of school, because they felt that they wanted to be heard, and that the budget was going to be announced of them cutting 3,000 positions, 3,000 teaching positions. i'm looking at students speak up and saying how they don't want to do art classes online. they don't want to do pe classes online. they want actual certified teachers instructing them in those classes. >> and what does it mean to have students speak up. do you think it's had a profound effect, the way the school districts have been handled?

i mean, there's still schools that have been shut down, and there are neighborhoods that have been deprived. but has this been somewhat of a turning point in the voice of those? >> it's been a turning point. they hear us. they hear us. we have been boycotting the meetings. we're having our own people's meeting. instead of going to the board meeting, because they don't listen to us in the board meetings, so we have our own people's meeting where we elected a board so they can hear our issues. because as you know n chicago, we do not have an elected school board. so that's one thing that we are pushing for. for people that we vote for to make those decisions. >> what -- do you think is the key to student success? i mean, this is -- you've got some of those influential people in the country here in new york having this big discussion, but yet it still comes down to the money. and if you don't financially support schools, how do you expect kids to have an opportunity to learn? >> exactly. i work at different schools all over the city, and i'm looking at the disinvest in each school

i go to from the north side to the south side to the west side to over east. and the schools are not equally funded. all students do not have the resources that asean might have at marcus garvey, versus a school right down the street. we're looking at a disinvestment in public schools all over the city of chicago and increase in charter schools. this is really waking up everyone with the 50 school closings and the announcement of more new schools coming in, without investing in the schools already in existence. for student success, one, our students, especially in african-american community, they need to see someone like them. we don't have -- right now we make up less than 40% of the population of cps. but our educators are less than 20% and that 20% were less go. most of those were high-ranking teachers so with the student-based budgeting we have where they pay per pupil versus allocating a certain amount of funds to come to the school, a

lot of teachers featuteaching f years were laid off and a lot of them were african-american teachers and latino teachers, as well. so we're looking at a disinvestment, educators not looking like some of our students. and we need an elected school board. we need a school board that we can vote for, people that have our interests at heart and not the plan of the mayor. >> fairness. >> fairness. >> that's what it comes down to. >> and the resources. we don't have a fair tax. >> and there can be absolutes in fairness. >> yes. >> when it comes to the number of teachers, when it comes to teacher/student ratio, resources in a classroom, there are some things that can be equally met. >> yes. >> for every school district, for every portion of the city. all right. now, earlier this summer, i asked you if you played football. and you said, yeah, i'm kind of all over the place. we don't have videotape of this, but i'm going to get this on my website.

i'm told -- you have to correct this report. i heard you made a big touchdown yesterday, so your team could make the playoffs. i've got to hear narration of this. >> well, yes. i did make a big touchdown. but that was in the first -- like the first quarter of the game. >> okay. >> it was after i got hit in my arm -- to my right arm. and after that it was a 47 -- it was a 47 flat. so that means he was going to set me in motion, i was going to run, grab the ball and then i was going to have two people blocking so one gets the outside man, and the other gets the corner. >> okay. >> and that means if everybody else is blocking, that means everybody doing what they're supposed to do. and it was a pretty good play, because when you can tell that their linebackers are going to blitz because you -- because you hear what they say. they say -- we say attack attack, but they have man over 20, man over 20. all the people were on the line. three linebackers so they make

them blitz in. so that was a pretty good play for us, because when you put it in motion, i got the ball and they were all blitzed in. but right when that happened, i got -- the man got off, he tackled me, tried to tackle me and then i broke off -- >> do you know anything about nbc sports? you really -- i think have a future there. 47 flat. happy birthday, ten years old. thanks for coming to new york. thank you. appreciate it so much. coming up, virginia governor candidate ken cuccinelli lands in tonight's pretenders for a photo op gone wrong. stay with us. susan ] ...as though he had never left. the end. lovely read susan. but isn't it time to turn the page on your cup of joe? gevalia, or a cup of johan, is like losing yourself in a great book. may i read something? yes, please. of course. a rich, never bitter taste cup after cup. net weight 340 grams.

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welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for the folks that take a shower after work. it's time to invest in your children's education. i think everybody agrees on that. because schools are fighting cost cutting measures which calls for a limited supplies and

resources in the classroom. and of course the closures of schools across america. teachers need help. even a small random act of kindness can make a huge difference in the classroom. we like this story. a man near tampa, florida, took matters into his own hands before the school year even started. rodney burton is his name. mr. burton was in line at a staples store when he saw a woman with a shopping cart full of school supplies. mr. burton asked the woman if she was a school teacher. when she said yes, burton paid for everything in her cart. this gentleman, this good samaritan joins me tonight. rodney burton. great to have you with us tonight. got to ask you. what was your motivation? what brought you to the point where you felt like you had to do this? and you're honorable for doing it. it's amazing how many school teachers dig into their own pocket to make things happen in the classroom. what was your story on this? >> well, ed, god was speaking to me that day while i was in

staples. and he said there's someone in here that needs your help. and i kept thinking to myself who is he talking about? so as i was going down the aisle, i was looking into every cart i passed to get an idea of who i was supposed to be helping. as we got closer to the register, i noticed there was a lady in front of me that had a cart full of stuff. i thought that's got to be the person he's talking about. i asked her and said are you school teacher. she said yes. i said today is your lucky day. i'm going to buy everything in your cart. she said but i have a lot of stuff in my cart. i said that's fine. i'm going to pay for it. >> do you have any connection to education? anybody in your family or background? have you heard the stories how teachers oftentimes fork money out of their pockets to make things happen in the classroom in. >> yes, i've run into enough teachers to realize they spend their hard earned money and the fact they don't make that much as it is to make sure the school

have the supplies in order to get the kids what they need. and to be honest, we don't even have any kids. so this is an investment to help others, you know, step up to the plate and pay it forward and just never understand that, you know, you have an opportunity that can change people's lives. and teachers have that opportunity. they not only change the kids' lives, but they can impact the parents' lives by what they do day to day. >> salary for a teacher in florida is less than $46,000 a year. a lot of teachers as i said dig into their own pocket. what do you think of that number? is that being underpaid for the responsibility they have? >> yes. i think that's truly underpaid. i think they should be the highest paid people out there for the simple fact that they give an opportunity to kids that may not have a lot, but they can actually change what they view in life and have the power to change the way people feel inside about education and about the growth in their lives. >> mr. burton, you've done your

part. good samaritan. great to have you on "the ed show." congratulations for having compassion and a heart and willing to step forward and show leadership. all the best to you. thank you so much. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. rev, good evening. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, let's have a vote. house speak for john boehner is the one man in washington who could stop the government shutdown today. right now, immediately. but he claims the votes aren't there. >> i take it you're not prepared to schedule a vote right now. >> there are not the votes in the house to pass a clean cr. >> yeah. are you sure that's true? 195 democrats have called for a clean vote on a continuing resolution to fund the