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borrowing money. time we quit borrowing money. [ laughter ] >> what are you doing? do you know how angry the giant whose credit card that is going to be? >> good morning. it is thursday, october 10th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have the chairman of deutsche incorporated, donny deutsche and mike barnacle is here. we have msnbc contributor robert gibbs here with willie, joe and me. good morning. >> good morning. the cardinals make it through. >>leal adam wainwright is huge. >> talk about pirates. tough. >> great story. >> we're albumed about pirates.

but the cardinals, what an organization. >> where do you think gibbs got the table cloth? >> i don't know. . time for some playoff i was wondering that myself. baseball. the pirates, the darling of the >> a little offseason but cute. season and the cardinals in an >> man speaking of fastballs at winner take all game, david your head. >> you know what? steps up first swing and freese and matt adams has two pre-season, boom. home runs. >> let me tell you barnacle i'm the story of the game is that man, adam wainwright went the taking fashion advice from a lot distance pitching a complete of people but one of them is not game eight hits striking out you. >> for the first time since 2008 the economy is not america's top six. concern. new gallup polling shows the government shutdown, the dysfunction in washington has become the number one concern of voters at 33% and while all wainwright gets pedro alvarez swinging for final out of the sides are taking a hit in their game. that sends the cardinals to approval hittings as a result, the damage to the republican their third consecutive nl championship series after a 6-1 brand is proving to be the worst. now only 28% of americans say victory. >> i trust you all, i believe in they have a favorable view of the republican party. you, let's bring it home, guys. that's the lowest number since this poll first began asking the

question the 21 years ago. for senator ted cruz, though, there's nothing to worry about. need the sky goggles. he's good. adam wainwright talking to the according to the "washington team after the game. examiner" in a closed door big huge game tonight game five, meeting with his republican colleagues cruz argued the tigers in detroit against the shutdown has been good for the a's, verlander in oakland, the gop. pointing to his own internal rookie from vanderbilt going in polling. that same poll which senator the biggest game of his life. cruz paid for shows republicans taking the lion's share of the >> rookie pitchers pitching in blame for the shutdown but cruz the playoffs. >> alvarez is from vanderbilt. says republicans are actually in >> four more years for joe a better position than they were girardi. than back in '95 because today's the team agreed to a four year, standoff is based on the fight $16 million deal. over obama care not spending in that makes him the second general. >> yeah. i don't think anybody is highest paid manager. if he serves out the entire believing that. he's put himself in an absolute contract we'll manage the yankees for ten total years. horrible position now. put that together with joe torre he has his fingerprints all over it. you look at donny deutsche at that's incredible stability for a team that used to go few record loss for the republican party and gallup polling. managers like three in a season.

it was pointed out democrats are >> you can make a strong case only one point off their lowest for joe girardi of being manager since 1992, and an ap poll came of the year. girardi's job this years keeping out yesterday that appears to be that club in contention with all an outlier that had the president in the high 30s. most averages have him around of the extraneou issues. 44%. but this hurts absolutely >> next year will be a different everybody. >> hurts everybody. >> but the republicans especially. >> there was a fundraiser on story. did you hear the story about long island last night for mike ditka talking about his nassau county executive and he biggest regret. like his constituents are former nfl player, mike ditka really, really worried come november if the republicans telling the dick kinson press continue on this course because his biggest mistake was not there will be a backlash where people will flip that switch, say what you want about obama, running against barack obama in this is the republicans 2004 to represent the state of disaster. illinois in the senate. obviously it will tar him one way or the other, but it is -- not that i would have won but i problem would have and he people are just at the point -- wouldn't be in the white house. you talk to people, just to >> mike ditka changing the course of history. point to where they are >> mike ditka said he should repulsed. they are repulsed by what's have tied into the 2004 -- happening and in my lifetime i

>> his running mate. have never been as fed up with . >> coming up next, harold ford government, with politicians, jr. is in the building. you just want to take a shower. it's disgusting. >> ladies and gentlemen -- >> from the great state of >> you really do. tennessee. it's on both sides but the republicans are really bearing the lion's share of the blame right now and there's a column -- >> yes. >> a conservative guy for the "new york post." calls at any time republican party suicide. >> suicide of the right. some conservatives say they don't care about the gop what they care about are conservative ideas. they are right not to assign special glory or power to a political organization, but here's tconundrum. there is only one electoral vehicle for conservative ng out of pipe. ideas -- but if you mostly clear up the engine, smash the

windshield, put the wrong tires sfx: birds chirping. interest and pour antifreeze in the gas tank you're impeding its forward movement. you're not running it, not repairing it. it may not have been a very good vehicle in the first place and maybe you think it couldn't drive worse but oh, man could it ever. it's the only one you got. >> it's getting worse. you know, there is -- it's a tale of two parties, mike. you look at a guy like chris christie, he's ahead by 33 points. in a state that just a year ago barack obama won by 18 points. >> 66% approval rating. >> 66% approval rating. make my mark i wawith pride.ork. let's go through this real create moments of value. quick. build character through quality. the gop is suffering but and earn the right to be called a classic. republicans outside the capital, numbers tell a different story. the lands' end no iron dress shirt. new jersey is a state won by starting at 49 dollars. president obama by 18 points last year. chris christie currently head of [ sneezes ] his democratic challenger by 33 [ male announcer ] you may be an allergy muddler.

try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. points. overall christie enjoys a 66% and zyrtec® is different than claritin® approval rating in that blue because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. state. let's look around to other zyrtec®. love the air. [ sneezes ] governors. you can go to like ohio, a state that went blue in 2012, john kasich has a 54% approval rating. 52% approve his handling of the economy. new mexico a state that the president carried by 10 points. martinez has a 67% approval rating. mike barnacle this isn't about the republican party. these people, they do certain things. >> yeah. they run their governments. they operate their governments. >> they don't tell their bond holders they are going to buy bonds for their states, hey, you know what? we may default. no big deal about defaulting. in wisconsin, he's an ideologue.

our bond rating. we're getting fiscally responsible. >> those are just for you governors that we have up on the screen right now and the biggest difference between those four hing,the first day you take it. helicopthierhis hibuzzing, andk engine humming. republican governors and the republicans, a specific portion of the republicans in the house of representatives in sfx: birds chirping washington, d.c., those four people you see on the screen get up every day and tell their sfx: birds chirping constituents that a, they can run their government and are running their government and b, those who are running they are running for something not against something. >> and they also work, willie, with democrats and scott walker's 48% that's higher by a point or two than barack obama 44 past the hour. it's dark in washington but the in that same state. >> they have to. lights are on in the white they have to get things done for house. welcome back to "morning joe." their constituents. >> great metaphor. in washington they are wing that was a nice metaphor, dark political point. a year ago at this time the in washington. >> here with us now, msnbc contrast was put in stark relief political analyst and visiting professor at nyu, former when you had chris christie democratic congressman harold ford jr. managing his state through harold, good to have you. superstorm sandy, president

obama comes to the state and he's attacked by national and gibbs with us with the table republicans. chris christie is. cloth. he says what the hell your >> i like the shirt. >> thank you, willie. talking about? >> just want to read joe's the president took care of us, political piece which backs up i'm trying to help my state get through it. some of the polls we were that to me was the contrast how talking about earlier today and this is about the governors who dare you shake hands with a democrat. he said -- i'm saving my state. are getting stuff done. >> the entire state suffers. unlike d.c. republicans let me go to robert gibbs. conservative leaders like walker, christie and kasich have rork robert, it's a tale of two succeed by creating budgets and parties. working with democrats. a lot of republicans controlling they are the future leaders of the governor's mansion. >> despite the gratuitous shot the republican party instead of those d.c. creatures who are at my snazzy shirt -- look, it leading them down a rat hole. it's time for the party of is hard for the american people reagan to focus on creating jobs to give the keys of government to republicans that have no and tackling the debt. paul ryan, donny, made an desire to want government in any level to operate. you have republicans that are attempt yesterday to put out a making it work in different way to cut deal, save face and states. you got democrats that are making it work in different maybe actually do something that backs up the conservative cause

states. and as was said you have to work with the other party. and it just fell flat it seems. you have to make progress. you can't get any of what you >> yeah. there is, as i said a few want if you won't take some moments ago. rather than all and i think you're starting to see cracks within the republican party. you've got -- i think that's why there will be a deal. in 2016 while the base will be excited about people like rand i think that the 50 or 60 folks paul and ted cruz, the eventual on the republican side will be left alone and eventually will nominee comes from a state pay a price for this. because it's just a much better laboratory for how they might run washington. i think they are starting to >> it will be a, you know, chris understand there's an unraveling christie or scott walker or that's happening that can't mitch daniels. happen. >> every time you think that will happen they double down and i'm wondering, you go back and triple down. it's said, clinton won in '92 so i don't know where this ends. and he was going to be a new harold? >> i think it's been said here democrat and more centrist democrat and going to bring washington together. that was eight years of political hell. already the pivot from health then george w. bush came to washington. we heard all the stories about how great the guy worked with care, there's no doubt boehner understands from what of his democrats in austin, texas and he was going to change all that. friends in the main street business community, wall street he was going to be a uniter not business communities traveling a divider. down this path fast without a that was eight years of plan as they have done in the political hell.

then barack obama was the hope past could have ramifications and change candidate. he heard the stories about how he worked with republicans in that would be hard to put back the state legislature. in the bottle meaning the economic consequences. and here we are six years in and they are beginning found. man, it's just as bad as the they will work right up to the past, you know, two very end, tuesday, wednesday of next week. administrations. we'll get some sort of temporary push off of the debt ceiling while they work on some kind of what is it about washington that breeds the dysfunction that even small term grand bargain that's where they are headed. >> every republican thinking these presidents did not have in about still standing behind their past lives on the state these 50 or 60 i die oats, if level? >> well, i think part of it is the debt ceiling isn't resolved their net worth will be cut endemic to this town. somewhere between 20% and 50%. john boehner's message is let's if they understand that. negotiate. most people would think he's >> their constituents will probably the least positioned to suffer. >> in terms of what they will negotiate. do. i think, you know, the message >> their voters. >> this next one is pretty tends to be the opposite of what the other guy is saying when emotional. we should ask gibbs or someone that might not be the best thing why this message hasn't been to do. then add into that i think you sent but this is in "the got, again, things like a much washington post." obama care saved my family from

faster media cycle, things like financial ruin. house speaker john boehner said his tea party friends shut down twitter and the internet that the u.s. government because of people like me. have risen in many ways and add i'm the mother of an insurance into that the political hog. someone who could have blown through his lifetime of health polarization. how many people come from safe coverage by the time he was 14. seats that are, whose outcomes my son managed to. in their individual elections is >> i've despite insurmountable so different than the national elections and which gives them challenges and wears his on each side of the political pre-existing conditions like a spectrum no real incentive to super bowl ring having lived in hospitals with my son mason for work with the other party. i think all of that is a very months. i've seen bad things, accidents, toxic cocktail. >> i'll make a prediction. freak illnesses happen to smart, this is a huge punt for the cautious and otherwise republican party. undeserving people. >> this is a prediction to do it's one thing we all have in with how many bracelet us wear common. we are fragile being, so what is around your hands? wrong with allowing to us >> guys, whalts the over/under purchase a financial safety net? for that. what's so unamerican about that? >> these are from my children. if i could get john boehner and >> how many children do you have. ted cruz on a conference call, i >> do you mock the children? would explain this to them. you're mocking the children. >> we're mocking you. i would tell them that while >> how many kids do you have. they were busy trying to derail the affordable care act over the >> you have to show both of his past two years, mason has again hands. >> hold up both hands. learned to walk, talk, eat and shoot a three-point basket.

hold up both of them like this. >> it's obviously, robert, a >> i love joe. moving op-ed. joe is a good person he helps republicans have their argument from a business point of view. the children of nantucket. against obama care. but when you mock my bracelet, but tinting thing sthin debate we're having right now, we're you mock the future of america, not talking about the affordable care act or obama care. it began that way. today's youth. now it's about deficit this is actually the best thing to ever happen to the republican reduction. jim reported we could have a party because they are bottoming out. i think it's the people, you short term deal. do you really believe in the feel the people of this country space of four to six weeks there's suddenly going to be and this is a moment in time this grand bargain that we've never been able to get to before? where the emperor's clothes have >> no. look i agree with you, willie. if we were serious about wanting come off. this disgusting bottoming out is the space to do a bigger deal, actually the opportunity for the republican party to redefine the likes of which could be itself for really what there if you really got people conservatism is. into at that room but for a these guys are masquerading as longer period of time, do this for six months. give themselves the space to do this. nobody thinks we're going to other than have a do over for be conservatives. and they aren't. you'll see a backlash that will republican messaging that we're help the republican party. going to somehow solve this in >> here's where we are now. four weeks given where we are later today president obama will right now.

push this off six months. give everybody the space to come host a handful of republican lawmakers in the white house to and have a smart conversation find a solution to re-open the and make sure people like that, government. the president invited all 232 like jeanine's op-ed are part of house republicans to the meeting. however, house speaker john that conversation. there's no lifetime cap limiteds boehner decided to send just a on insurance. somebody with a pre-existing handful of party leaders and condition can get coverage. committee chairmen. i think this is one of the jay carney responded to reasons why it's not about boehner's decision saying in health care any more. part president obama is >> can i ask one quick question. disappointed that speaker boehner is preventing his when the deal worked, the members from coming to the white house and that the president thought it was important to talk sequestration came about and came about because the democrats directly with the members who and republicans couldn't agree on a long term deal, could they forced this economic crisis on come up with something like that the country. any hope for a break through that could force them to act? appears to be focused on a short term deal to increase the debt have some hole around this limit. what do you think is going on there strategy wise? thing. there must have been one there. >> i just think you got to give >> there are a lot of guys that these guys some space and i i wouldn't let go over to the think, you know, assuming that white house to get in front of you can get something done in the microphone, right, mike? three weeks i think will be i can name a few but i'm not exceedingly difficult. going to. no you don't want them in front i think for our economy let's of the white house, in front give ourselves six months, move

microphone stuff talking about the debt limit six month, let's their tin foil hats and the not go through this again right messages that they are picking before christmas when retailers up from the planet klatu. want people to have consumer confidence. >> robert, you're more familiar >> harold stay with us. we'll be right back with more with the intricate lay out of "morning joe". i love having a free checked bag the white house. do they have a large rubber room in the white house if all those members are going to come down? >> they are in the basement. >> as joe just kpresd boehner has an issue here. he cannot allow, really some of the really crazy republicans to have their moment, their second in the sun at the white house and then emerge on to the lawn and basically saying well -- i looked at my mastercard statement and i don't care about the deficit. the debt ceiling. with my united mileageplus explorer card. >> stuff will happen. >> if that's the case it i've saved $75 in checked bag fees. certainly shows the strength of their message going into a [ delavane ] priority boarding is really important to us. meeting like this if they are you can just get on the plane and relax. [ julian ] having a card afraid someone might walk out of that doesn't charge you foreign transaction fees the white house and say what saves me a ton of money. their message is. [ delavane ] we can go to any country this isn't just an appearance and spend money the way we would in the u.s.

when i spend money on this card, i can see brazil in my future. problem it's a strategic problem. i think there's a whole level of [ anthony ] i use the explorer card to earn miles these things that doesn't make a lot of sense. in order to go visit my family, which means a lot to me. and, again, i think you see ♪ it -- look not just in the brand numbers of each of the parties, but, i mean, what is stunning is where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. if the function of the government or the dysfunction of it's our job to make sure that it does. government really becomes a using natural gas this power plant voting issue the dynamics of the can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. most recent or most upcoming generating electricity that's cleaner elections in 2014 might be much, much more fascinating than we and reliable, with fewer emissions-- previously would have thought because, again, i think that it matters. real estate of congressional ♪ districts has locked in the results for a lot of them save something big and if the dysfunction in government becomes what is big that becomes a real, real wild card next ♪ 'take me home...' year. >> we have these reports this morning that house republicans are considering a deal that would involve an extension of ♪ 'i'll be gone...' the debt ceiling, a short term extension of the debt ceiling for a couple of weeks. what i don't understand what do ♪ 'in a day or...' we think we'll happen if we kick man: twooooooooooooooooo!

the can down in a few weeks. is that me, was i singing? the president will not negotiate on obama care. vo: not paying for scheduled maintenance feels pretty good. that's settled. he settled in on that. no-charge scheduled maintenance now on every new volkswagen. the idea we'll have a grand bargain in a couple of weeks that's the power of german engineering extension is not realistic. >> i had a conservative friend so she could take her dream to the next level. ask me why i wanted a short term so we talked about her options. clean cr. her valuable assets were staying. i said to reset the debate for and selling her car wouldn't fly. republicans. reset it. nobody is listening to ted cruz we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, any more, by the way. nobody is listening to ted cruz so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today... on shutting down the government for obama care. and tomorrow. nobody is talking about it any so let's see what we can do about that... remodel. motorcycle. more. ted cruz has lost. [ female announcer ] some questions take more than a bank. they take a banker. so, okay, let's give it two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, make a my financial priorities appointment today. clean cr and then make it about because when people talk, great things happen. what republicans actually fight about, saving the entitlement system, paying down the long term debt, like paul ryan's piece, tax reform that actually encourages economic growth and creates new jobs. that is a debate that we can

have on a level playing field not telling the president that he's got to get rid of, you know, his signature program. >> but the president has said he's not going to allow republicans to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip as a point of leverage so why would he -- >> i think -- the president himself is saying let's extend it and then we'll have time while we're negotiating about it. listen, i think the president would love a grand bargain. right now he's facing into the abyss, historical abyss of being a president of the most dysfunctional washington in modern american times. this president and paul ryan if they can come together with a grand bargain i think it's good for everybody. >> i had someone who has a fairly high function in the white house tell me the other day that they were surprised the president at his press conference when he was clearly speaking without notes, when he >> exactly what i did in music i indicated that past the debt want to apply to product, i want ceiling thing then we can talk. he was not reading from notes or to apply to education.

this is what my company is off the teleprompters, pass the about. i could rap all i want. i could rap all i want. wouldn't that rockefeller chain debt ceiling. but they were surprised, a and damon giving me that couple of people in the white house were surprised john rockefeller chain i don't care boehner didn't come in the next how many souls i touch i day and drop exactly that right in the hopper, okay, we'll get a couldn't make to it the-month month long extension on the debt where jesus walks. even as a celeb i reached a ceiling, now you say you want to ceiling and the way paparazzi talk let's talk. >> you guys see this. >> two more stories to get to. talks to me and my family is wait. disrespectful. we bring something of joy to the got the wrong side. >> joe girardi. world. when people hear my music they such a huge story in new york, have a good time and i should be respected. don't ask me a question about donny about this cop that something you saw in the at that boids. don't antagonize me. allowed the motorists to be it's not safe four in this zoo. beaten up by the motorcycle gang. don't think i'm not from chicago >> it's disgusting. for one second. 99.9% of cops are great and when >> dude, that guy is crazy. this happens unfortunately -- >> what happened? >> his tweets are crazy. >> very embarrassing. >> sullies police every where. man, he's crazy. >> that was him with jimmy disgusting story. >> my gosh. we're following that. remember we had the mayor on kimmel last night. earlier this week and he wasn't kimmel did this spoof where he had kids acting out an interview commenting. they clearly were trying to

that kanye did where he said he was the number one rock star in pinpoint what happened. there's about a week until the the world. special election, debate for kanye went crazy. u.s. senate seat in new jersey there was no bit. happened last night. jimmie sitting there listening got kind of heated. to kanye. >> how did it end? >> it went on like that for a republican candidate called new york a big black hole for state while. jimmy just smiled. taxpayer's money. >> kanye very talented guy. >> what did cory booker tweet i never really focused on kanye, back. >> cory booker served as that city's mayor. the dude. they grew heated over more than is he as crazy, has he always once. been this crazy. >> shootings in newark are down >> he's a different cat. very weird genius creative in his own world kind of guy. >> he needs somebody around him 27%. critical issues are not solved to get him away from tweets and with like background checks which my point poses. he's getting support from the tv shows. >> it's working out just fine nra who is dropping money into for him. everything he does goes to his campaign. >> cory booker about a month number one. >> coming up next -- ago, 14-year-old ally henderson was shot to death in newark. >> a lot actually. he was on the jimmy fallon show

>> oh, my god. telling people what a great job >> where we come from we say he's doing. bless his heart. ten people end ten days while my >> that's right. >> bless his heart. opponent was running around and yours too, donny. hollywood promoting himself. thank god nbc's andrea mitchell >> we have the pull back of joins the conversation. e.r.a. let the fracking go on. a huge stipulate. >> you may not be able to swim plus author and history in that river but it's because professor, niall ferguson's book of all the bodies floating look at how institutions decay around from shooting victims in and economies die. your city. the fact is -- hopefully he's not talking about >> oh, my god. the united states. >> i think he's talking about we have a government in shutdown, really being shutdown paul krugman. >> he joins us next. because of tea party extremists in washington that are stopping color, and design. our government. now my point is the leader of showing up where we least expect it. the tea party here in new jersey. he's somebody that has said i and taking inspiration from our wildest dreams. support the shutdown. >> people across the united because kohler doesn't see the world in fixtures and faucets. states of america donate every it reimagines. time you say tea party. coloring our lives in ways only bold could do, keep it up so we can offset the it's no wonder the world can't wait to see million dollars you're getting what kohler does next. from michael bloomberg.

we advocate for lower taxes. you would be a charter member. >> wow. that's some tough stuff. i'll tell you when, willie geist. this race is about to change. [ male announcer ] may your lights always be green. we got somebody coming in to campaign against cory booker. [ tires screech ] ♪ >> governor sarah palin. [ beeping ] coming in this weekend. ♪ >> okay. may you never be stuck behind a stinky truck. >> that's going to work in new [ beeping ] jersey state. ♪ >> i bet she's big in jersey. may things always go your way. >> in some parts she is. >> think she is. but it's good to be prepared... just in case they don't. >> i'll have sara ferguson come toyota. let's go places, safely. before sarah palin. >> fergie? >> fergie. >> i want to apologize. i want to apologize for the children. >> of nantucket. >> across the country. you're a great dad.

i know this was a slip of the tongue. >> can i ask you something? like do women look at that and think that makes you more sensitive. >> yes. finally. finally. >> that and little puppy dogs. >> when i'm walking in central park with my two white labs, pushing my go daughters in their strollers -- >> do your children know they are props for like a pick up game? >> by the way, it's not written down, but for everyone we meet there's a trip to fao schwartz. everyone wins. >> so the girls do know that women -- >> fao schwartz. >> the nanny takes the kids to but it's good to be prepared... just in case they don't. fao schwartz. donny goes back to his house so evto earn degrees in mathan stand science.ut the kids are child actors. but more than half leave their programs. >> like the olson twins. so we're missing out on 450,000 math >> they are well paid. >> oh, my lord. and science graduates annually. coming up on "morning joe" -- i'm just going to punch him -- but if we can help students prepare for these subjects

the ranging democratic head of we'll have a stronger workforce for our fastest-growing industries. the house, chris van hollen. let's invest in our future. we'll talk to author and harvard join exxonmobil in advancing math and science education. professor, niall ferguson and let's solve this. willie garcon will be here. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. at a ford dealer with a little q and a for fiona. tell me fiona, who's having a big tire event? your ford dealer.

who has 11 major brands to choose from? obama actually healed your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer. who has the low price tire guarantee, another hour long press affording peace of mind to anyone conference to say once again he who might be in the market for a new set of tires? won't negotiate. your ford dealer. so speaker john boehner had his i'm beginning to sense a pattern. get up to $140 in mail-in rebates when you buy own press conference. >> the central argument is this, four select tires with the ford service credit card. are we going sit down and have a conversation or aren't we. there's no reason to make it where'd you get that sweater vest? your ford dealer. more difficult to bring people to the table. there's no boundaries here. there's nothing on table, nothing off the table. >> that is a leader with a clear goal. i want a table. [ laughter ] >> willie, it's time. >> closed day ten. we went to george lucas and we said we know you've done some good stuff in the past. >> impactful. >> we'll do something special. the holograms -- >> pointers that have lasers come out. >> look what we got.

day ten. >> he's always in the next place. >> this, i guarantee you, a decade from now we'll be talking about it -- >> welcome back to "morning joe." harold ford jr. is still with us. robert gibbs in washington. and joining us, niall ferguson who is the author of "the great degeneration." >> niall has written a few articles about paul krugman. kind of tough. we'll talk about those in a little bit. >> in fairness to niall they are not tough. >> her honest. >> quoting some facts. >> but niall leaves some things hanging so you can look at them. >> the way you want to interpret it. >> like the title of his book. >> so, let's talk first about

the news. >> sure. later today president obama is going to talk to a handful of republicans at the white house in an effort to find a solution to thamblgs a maybe a solution that would reopen the government and avoid a default. the president invited all 232 house republicans to the meet, however house speaker john boehner decided just to send a handful of party leaders and some committee chairman. white house press secretary -- >> i think it might be best. >> it might be. >> you don't want guys going out there saying some crazy 27 past the hour. stuff. >> jay carney respond boehner's time now to take a look at the morning papers. decision saying in part president obama is disappointed the tampa bay times, florida's that speaker boehner is longest serving congressman bill preventing his members from young says he'll not seek coming to the white house. and that the president thought re-election in 2014. young says he'll retire when his it was important to talk directly with the members who term ends to toend his health forced this economic crisis on and spend for time with his the country. any hope for a break through now family. the 82-year-old expressed his frustration with the government appears to be focused a short term deal to increase the debt shutdown. he served 42 years in the u.s. limit. >> so, niall, where do we stand? congress. what's your view of what's going

>> he slalso is a mentor of min. on in washington? a great representative. >> well, on the beltway, from bill young was actually the minority leader in the florida the vantage point of a senate and whenever he called a historian, the idea of a default of the united states on its debt caucus, you know, we would meet is seriously being discussed on shows like this. wherever he was because he was the only member of the that's not healthy. republican party in the florida it's already causing significant senate. a great man. financial -- >> 42 years serving. >> you disagree with the designee also protected me from extremes that are saying default no problem at all, we got enough the leadership. >> there's that. money. >> that's crazy talk. >> every time they got angry what worries me is both sides are in really uncompromising with me he said stay away from joe. >> from the "new york post," a positions now. street performer will be going it's a little bit like game of to prison. russian roulette except it's being played next to a fuel dump dan sandler pled guilty to and politicians are underestimating how much of a risk they are take. it's not just the "tea party" or blackmail the girl scouts ever speaker boehner. trying to spread rumors about the white house has been unyielding. this illustrates the point i spreading sex between men and made. this president has been very young girls. he was also arrested at disconnected from the legislature. he's not been good at getting his own party to do his bidding. anti-semitic comments to tourists. a 9-year-old boy who flew to he doesn't interact with

vegas without a boarding pass legislators very much. one last point i think paul ryan broke his silence. the father tearfully expressed made a reasonable suggestion. his concern for his son describing him as hard to that's not uncompromising. >> do you think republicans will control. >> i'm a parent. rally around -- i pay paul's i'm not perfect. we assumed that he was at a suggestion is a good one. he's facing some incoming from friend's house. his own party. >> but i think it seems like the we had no idea where he was. ration enamel thing for them to identify been asking for help. do. no one is helping me. doesn't mean they will do it. i'm in double jeopardy. >> "the washington post" came out endorsing it. if i whoop my son i get locked again this allow as reset. up. if i let my son keep on doing the ted cruz strategy, which what he's doing i get in everybody but ted cruz now trouble. agrees is a failed strategy, can somebody please help me. be washed aside. please. they can embrace paul ryan. >> wow. the "usa today" for the first which you and i have talked time, first two weeks of about before, that's where the money is, you got save november mcdonald's will give out books to replace it's iconic entitlement, you got to save social security, you got to save happy meal toys. medicare and medicaid and if they get a grand bargain that all the kids said blah. gets us 10% of the way there is this comes as mcdonald's to an important step. reinvent the happy meal which >> one of the arguments i had has been criticized for with mr. krugman was the marketing unhealthy food by nay congressional budget office's

sayers. long term budget forecast which it will feature fruit and could take our debt up towards veggies and no longer come with 190% of gdp in 25 years time. sugary drinks. >> there's nothing happy about we need address entitlements. that. you get a book instead of toy. this is a step in that you don't get sugary drinks. direction. >> by the way the congressional you don't get french fries. budget office is saying if there's a default regardless of >> you should get some why some of these people while satisfries. being restrained could thread a "the washington post" a man from recession and in as little as south carolina took it upon himself to clean up the grounds two months. a deep recession. around the lincoln memorial. >> they argue how bad it could with a rake, lawn mower and a be and some say that's north that point that's not tissue. south carolina state flag in tow we're talking about ted cruz. chris cox has been in the he's convinced still at this capital for days now cleaning up. cox says i'm not here to point point that he is 100% right. fingers, i only want to inspire >> what worries me slightly is people to come out and make a the president may be convince difference. >> got to be careful. this is the way he can destroy they may arrest him. the republican party by pinning a default on the default recession on them and that's >> flir"first look" at times what some democratic strategists are thinking. >> niall, i think the republican party is doing a good job of that themselves. magazine," bloomberg unbound." let's go willie for "the >> both sides are playing a high

politico" playbook. >> the executive director the stakes game. >> i disagree with you. jim. >> hope you're right. we were hoping to see his son >> i disagree. i think this president and a lot of democrats think that they james. >> i'm the sub today. need to destroy a lot of these people in the republican party >> go ahead. so they can win in 2014 and the >> come bearing goodish news. president can get his agenda i always feel like i have downer through his last two years. news usually from washington. please, we are talking about i now believe we're going to have a deal. washington, d.c. here. i think within days to avoid the these are not saints on either debt limit crisis and side. potentially to even reopen the >> yeah. >> everybody wants to win. democrats can hurt republicans, government. and the reason -- there isn't republicans hurt democrats. any formal announcement coming the question i have is if out but almost every sign now is republicans believe that ryan's moving towards a compromise. ideas and i happen to think you have the president open to a there's some room for real short term deal. agreement there, why can't they you have paul ryan who has a lot rally around him. of sway among house republicans talking to a lot of if they arrive at the white conservatives about a deal that house with this meet, accept would give us at least a short term increase in the dict less this as our starting point, you mitt in exchange for talks about give use you want to go let's entitlement reform. gate deal done. you have most conservatives now saying they might warm to the >> robert you want to jump in idea that ryan is talk about. here. >> he just blurted it out.

so only the far, far right would be opposed to that. >> the word delusional. there's enough votes to get that >> you quoting paul krugman? done. you got mitch mcconnell getting that's one much his favorite involved in the negotiations. he had been on the sidelines. words. table cloth and delusional he's talking about a deal coming from it. similar to what paul ryan is >> the notion -- i think the talking about. you have business. community over the last 24 hours notion -- somebody said ratio l going public with their concerns and their warnings to republicans about the rationali rationality. nobody is destroying the consequence on contributions, republican party but the republican party. the consequences on some of they've taken this foolish these house races. i think all of those factors are decision on first to try to going to lead to a deal and a defund obama care, now they are deal relatively soon at least on trying to default, they think the debt limit. they are running around saying the big question will be, it's default isn't default. this notion that somehow the going to be a short term deal which to me is always very president is trying to destroy unsatisfying because you know there's not enough time to get the republican party, you know, the grand bargain they talked about but at least it would you have rational actors and avoid the debt limit crisis, it irrational actors. the irrational actors are might get the government up and running again and give us the running the republican party. they are running it. possibility of talks that, who they are not -- the president know, once you get in a room isn't destroying it, the republicans are destroying the maybe something can happen. republican party. >> niall? >> repeal delay, and the short >> don't defend the tea party.

i think this has been very term we're talk being about dangerous the way they plated. but we can't just ignore the entitlement reform. help me understand why president fact that this president has obama would go back and look at been so disengaged that he can't entitlements in a way he hasn't in the past. discipline his own party. >> well, be clear for the remember it's not that the president he's been saying happy republicans have defeated larry to look at entitlements and other issues as long as it's not summers nomination that was the democrats. so party discipline has broken part of the deal, he's not going down on both sides. to say we're only going raise i think that has to lie in some the debt limit. measure or at the feet of the if you pass the debt limit president. we can't blame it all on ted increases in you pass the cr he's happy to have those cruz. that's too simple. >> so you think if democrats conversations. having those conversation and getting a deal is tough. were more unified we would have the president's own budget has a solution to this? lots of mechanisms on social >> no. i'm trying to make a point security and medicare for some there's a break down of party some small entitlement changes. discipline on both sides and the problem is he always wants that has to be the responsibility of the president corresponding tax increases and in some measure. it's hard for me to see >> don't think there's a break republicans stomaching any kind down in party discipline. republicans stomaching any kind of tax increase to g >> there's a break down much party discipline if a freshman senator can call the shots. >> we're not talking about the nomination -- you somehow believe if we all had these guys

over for tea they will agree with everybody else's ideas and i think that's wildly naive. >> the president has invited republicans to the white house many times and i believe speaker boehner has not accepted the invitation. >> we'll see if the president accepts the paul ryan initiative. >> the economy is actually not the top concern according to new gallup polling which shows the government shutdown, dysfunction in washington has become the number one concern of voters at 33%. while all sides are taking a hit, the damage to the republican brand is proving to be the worst. now only 28% of americans say they have a favorable view of the republican party. that's the lowest number for this poll since gallup first began asking the question 21 years ago. but for senator ted cruz, niall, there's nothing to worry about he says.

according to the "washington examiner" in a closed door meeting with his republican colleagues cruz argued the shutdown has been good to the gop pointing to his own internal polling. >> the internal polling shows the republicans taking the lion's share of the blame. it makes no sense. 48% versus 51% blames be republicans. >> cruz paid for this polling. >> sees so irrelevant. the republicans have turned against this defund obama care strategy that by the way republicans most smart republicans said was a disastrous move in the first place. >> they turned against it? >> yes they've turned against it. you don't hear people going out saying we're -- you hear ted cruz saying that but you sure don't hear john boehner or anybody else say that. that's failed. ted cruz has been exposed.

>> i got to say this really quickly. it was pointed out the democrats polling numbers are only one point higher than their all time low. it's hurting everybody. let's go harold and then you. >> tinting thing for me if republicans had started with ryan's position from the outset how different would this conversation be. we would be closer to a resolution. put aside party standing and what public opinion is. we could have avoid a calamity. i want to hear from niall how this could affect international markets. if ryan led where would republicans be today? >> we would be in great shape. robert gibbs the president would have been far more open to a discussion on entitlement reform and tax reform because he's talked about entitlement reform and tax reform for the past five, six years. "the washington post" is seeing this as a hopeful sign. nobody is saying he needs to

adopt what paul ryan is saying but that's far more reasonable than saying you got to get rid of your marked piece of legislation which everybody knows he won't do. >> the biggest hope we can have here is give these guys some space. again, i said this earlier. i think that in two weeks we can get this done or four weeks. we should move this deadline on the debt ceiling months if not, you know, six months down the road and give these guys some space. what concerns me is a number that was tucked inside the ap poll that showed that people that identify as tea party republicans only 15% of those when they were asked how do you get out of this mess would, 15% supported compromising with the president as part of that solution, and while other republicans had a much higher number in terms of compromising with the president and i wonder, quite frankly, if there will be enough space in the republican party to come up with that solution.

>> so, robert, you brought up the ap poll. we have it this morning, thought it might be an outlier that ap poll says the president has a 37% approval rating. should the white house be concerned >> look. white house has always been and i think they should have always been understanding nobody is going to come out of government dysfunction completely unharmed. i certainly don't think they did. and i don't -- my guess is republicans in their meetings never thought the damage created thus far for their brand would be as deep as it is. i think again the best thing we can do and the best thing washington can do is just take these deadlines away for a longer period of time, and then let's have that conversation, let's have that talking. if we do that we're much more likely to come to a place of some agreement. again, i think if we just move the deadline to a week before christmas we're just going to be having this discussion two weeks before christmas and thinking how we'll move the deadline to

sometime to the mid. february. >> another number in that ap poll 5% approval rating for kong. >> is that good? >> 5%. >> that good? >> i don't think we should be surprised when you have private charity, think about, having to is in the and flail of government should be playing in providing death benefits to families of fallen soldiers. we had four bodies returned to dover air force base yesterday. and a private charity, the fisher house foundation had to step in because the government couldn't do its job to take care of families of people we asked to go in and defend the country. andrea mitchell broke the story. she will be with us in a second. it's disgusting. >> it's absolutely pathetic. niall ferguson, you have written a series of columns going against your dear friend and mine, paul krugman. explain. >> more in sorrow than earning.

paul krugman plays "hardball." he uses harsh language. >> he says -- he uses thermometers every time he starts losing a debate. i should know. >> interestingly you've been on the other side. so have i. he throws these words about on the basis what? a claim he's always been right. called everything right throughout financial upheavals of the last five years. >> what's wrong? >> this is the key point. one if you look at his journalismism, i'm a historian, the documents show he completely failed to anticipate the nature of the financial crisis. >> april of 2010, the world is in danger. >> 20 separate statements from eurozone breakup. it's amazing, it's still intact. here are two clear predictions one was the housing boom would lead to a dollar crisis.

wrong. that's not what happened. one thing that didn't happen -- >> he got angry when i quoted him saying that the dot-com boom and that bubble need to be replaced by a housing bubble. he doesn't like when you actually throw his words back at him. in fact, he accused me of attacking -- >> i didn't criticize him. i quoted his book that he wrote in 1996. i agreed with a lot of his stuff. i agreed entitlements are in grave danger and then he didn't feel compelled to say that was an attack. >> i agree he's an amazing intellectual victory over himself. his possession on the federal debt is on 80 degrees from what it was back ten years ago when he was warning of a fiscal train wreck. designee said we could not afford a iraq because of the fiscal crisis.

he said we couldn't afford any more tax cuts because of our huge debt and suddenly we have no problem with huge debt. >> twice the size in relation to gdp. >> it was about $6 trillion. now it's $16.7 trillion and it's not a problem. when it was george w. bush it was a grave crisis. >> krugman's key claims we should have done a much bigger stimulus lurks three times of the size we did in 2009 and no down side troirisk to the credi worthiness of the united states. it's based on his models. these are economic models. these models were so -- these models -- >> knees harold. >> i'm sorry. these models fail to predict the

financial crisis. they were wrong about that. i showed that in my "huffington post" article. >> the third of the third part series on krugtron the invincible. you got to read that. designee called himself that. >> he glories. it's the hubris. in public exchange, in public discussion there needs be humility, honesty and civility. that's all. that's what he lacks. there's no accountability. nobody edits that blog in the "new york times" and it's time somebody call him out. people are afraid of him. >> i won't tell you which pub ed tore but one of the pub ed tors of the "new york times" told me off the record after my debate their biggest nightmare was his column every week. >> they should do something about it. >> humility, honesty and civility in this next story

doesn't exist on both side because both sides are blaming each other for this. joining us now from washington, nbc chief foreign affairs correspond and host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell you have an update of suspension of death benefits for families of those that lost their lives in combat. >> you know, mika and joe when we first report this on tuesday there was a lot of outrage. how could the u.s. government not pay emergency death benefits to families of men and women who died serving our country. today it's clear despite all the public outrage in the past few days in washington and congress, people there knew this would happen even before the government shutdown. for days now we've heard the outrage on capitol hill. >> it's disgraceful that they are withholding these benefits. >> now they are being denied death benefits because of this senseless shutdown. >> i'm ashamed. i'm embarrassed. >> lawmakers complaining families of fallen u.s. service members are not getting

emergency death benefits because of the government shutdown. the outrage spread to the white house. wednesday president obama told doreen gentzler of nbc's wrc. >> when i heard this story i told the. department of defense we should able to get that fixed. >> at a press conference in late september several days before the shutdown the pentagon warned this would happen. >> we would be required to do some other pad things to our people. we couldn't immediately pay death gratuities. >> wednesday as the remains of four service members killed in afghanistan last weekend arrived at dover air force base, the house unanimously pass ad bill that would have restored the emergency benefits for families. >> how dare we not provide these grieving families with the necessary support in their time of need. >> but the senate refused to consider the measure. late wednesday the white house and justice department scrambled to find a fix. >> that's how i think veterans

feel they are stuck in the middle of this political debate. whether it be death benefits, whether it be va comp and pension. >> ken fisher who heads a private organization for veterans and their families stepped into the pay the benefits after seeing our report on "today." >> they're grieving. they suffered enough. why on earth should they have to worry about where their next dollar is coming from. >> also stepping up, jefferson's restaurant in bellville, illinois which post ad message on facebook offering to donate 100% of their profits wednesday to families of the fallen. >> maybe if one person does it 100 more will do it and we'll help more people out. >> the pentagon will reimburse the phish house charity once the shutdown is over and today the special operation warrior foundation will present $20,000 to each family of the troops killed in afghanistan this past weekend. another warning from the head of the veterans department, the

secretary said if this goes very much longer by november 1st hundreds of thousands of veterans will lose $6 billion in their benefits because their workers have been furloughed at the va. >> what a terrible situation. you've been in washington for quite a while. have you ever seen think it bad the? >> the politic ace rointd. >> never. >> unbelievable. >> and in the past there was always a middle ground, always a negotiation at andrews air force base or some place where you some budget officials and there was an argument over dollars. this is not an argument over dollars. i can't figure it out. it is the seinfeld shutdown. shutdown over nothing. >> andrea mitchell thank you. we'll see you at 1:00. niall ferguson thank your as well. >> good luck out there on twitter.

>> robert gibbs, thank you as well. >> robert, have a nice lunch. >> thank you, robert. we really appreciate it. >> thank you very much. up next congressman chris van hollen reacts to suggestions from corners of capitol hill that the u.s. may not be facing default after all? we'll be right back. you're matching "morning joe".

it is pouring in d.c. look at that. 27 minutes past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." here with us now from washington, democratic representative from maryland and ranking member of the house budget committee congressman chris van hollen. >> congressman, thanks for being with us. we just had niall ferguson on. you might disagree with niall on

several things president but eblgs like i believe a default is a default and that's not good for the united states of america. break it down for us. what happens if america defaults on its debt obligations? >> right. well,o joe, as you know, nobody knows what will happen because our country has never defaulted. so, the risks are very, very high. and you hear that from across the, you know, economic community. what happens, first of all, is that if the united states doesn't going pay its bills and i mean any of its bills, you do begin to undermine the full faith and credit of the united states. specifically what begins to happen is that the treasury can no longer meet its payments and that means, you know, folks on social security or folks providing medicare service or our troops in the field don't get paid. and ultimately you put the whole full faith and credit of the united states in jeopardy.

that means that interest rates go up. people's 401(k)s and other investments get slammed. it is a very, very toxic mix which is exactly why we never allowed this to happen before. >> so, there are those that are denying that this could happen, or saying that it won't be as bad. >> who are those people that are saying it won't be bad? give me five names. five names. >> we showed it yesterday. and there are a few guys that i know well and respect -- >> don't think that's the issue. >> i'm very surprised. >> there's not one business leader that does not understand -- >> i don't think i want to find out. >> the koch brothers have come out and said hey guys, stop. we're conservatives. we are conservatives. we want small government. but stop this nonsense. i guarantee you the koch brothers don't think a default is not a default. they think this ted cruz strategy is stupid.

and backed away from it. it's hard to find mike barnacle, the "wall street journal" says we're for small government you guys are walking into a canyon. you're going to get killed by this. i think this is the point, mike, isn't it? where the fever breaks and the people that have fund ad lot of these campaigns in the past say you guys have stepped over the line and what you're doing is not only bad for the republican party, it's bad for my business and it's bad for america. >> well, the koch brothers have gone to the point yesterday to point out that they are not among the deniers. >> yeah. of course not. >> they are not among the deniers. they are conservatives but not among the deniers. congressman, let me ask you today, later today we're going to have a group of republicans down to the white house to meet with the president. you've been on the floor of the

house now for several years but specifically during these last several weeks with these points of conflict arise every 15 minutes, what is the objective? what is the end game for the republicans right now? if they to define victory for themselves in this horrendous episode what would it be, what do you think? >> mike, the problem is there's no tsunami your particular kwaen the reason i say that is that within the republican caucus there's no agreement. and this is the challenge we had all along. normally you would have a speaker who represents the position of the caucus, and the speaker then can get together with, you know, democrats or the president and negotiate an agreement. what we have right now is the speaker minute to minute, doesn't know what his position is ballgam is because he continues to consult with the caucus sean driven by the most radical parts

of the republican caucus. i've heard a lot of different plans floated by the republicans in the house and senate but no republican position. when you're in negotiation somebody has to speak for the house republicans in this case or you can't find a compromise or agreement. >> congressman, it's willie. good to see you this morning. obama care is off the table at this point. it was driven originally by senator ted cruz. that's not what republicans in the house are asking for. what do you think about the paul ryan plan. he wrote a piece in "wall street journal" yesterday. he put it forward in the republican study committee yesterday about asking for what he calls modest changes to medicare and to social security in exchange for raising of the debt ceiling. what do you make of that idea? >> first, our view is that you shouldn't be tying raising the debt ceiling to any specific demand. but at the same time we've been

trying negotiate on the budget. we've been trying to go budget negotiations since march. we've actually been blocked in the house three times from appointing budget negotiators. we welcome the opportunity have a discussion on the budget. paul ryan has a budget. the president has a budget. there's a senate democratic budget. we should be at the table. we should have been at the table since march hashing those things out. what you can't have is someone demanding to have their way on the budget in exchange for them doing what every member of congress should do which is to support the debt ceiling, to pay for the bills that we've incurred. i would ask the country if the president was to take the position he would veto the debt ceiling, if he was going refuse to pay our bills, unless the republicans in congress adopted the president's budget and the president's fiscal agenda they would say the president absolutely lost his mind and yet that's exactly what they are doing. so, we welcome an opportunity to sit down around the budget

table. we've been trying to do it like i said for a long time but let's get rid of the threat of shutting down the government, continuing to shutting it down and threat of defaulting on our obligations. >> congressman chris van hollen thank you so much. coming up camelot's court takes us 0 inside t-- inside the kenne house.

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as president of the united states, i find it heartening and a great pleasure for me to welcome them as part of the official family. they are all patriotic men who are devoted to the welfare of this country. and i'm confident that they will meet their responsibilities with high distinction. >> that was president john f. kennedy weighing in on his newly sworn candidacy in january of 1961. here with us now presidential historian, robert dallek. he writes this of kennedy's cabinet members. each in his own way was a combatant to persuade the president that he had the best if not always the right answer

to the various intimidating challenges they faced at home and particularly abroad where the danger of a catastrophic war was constantly before them. they fought with each other. they wanted to prevent the ultimate world catastrophe. good to have you on the show this morning. >> lovely to be here. >> they've been called famously the best and the brightest. were they and did that always translate into good policy? >> the answer is yes and no. they were brilliant, wise in some ways and mistaken. jack learned that over time he had to doubt what they were telling him because he was so furious after the bay of pigs operation and he walked around saying how i could have been so stupid.

he was just so frustrated by the advice they had given him. but the greatest difficulty he had were with the joint chiefs of staff because he was terrified of getting into a nuclear war and at one point during the missile crisis he said to this young woman, mimi, his mistress, who was there one night, he said to her, mimi, i rather my kids be red than dead. he never could have said that in public. >> interesting talking about these brilliant men around him and that's what's interesting about this picture, they are all men. he was a great listener. >> he saw charles de gaulle in the spring of 1961, and de gaulle said to him listen to the

advisers. hear what they have to say but then make up your own mind. he remembered what harry truman said, the buck stops here. he felt the responsibility to handle these problems. and what's most amazing about him, of course, is that he was plagued by all these physical ailments. he had all these medical issues. i sat down his medical records alongside the cuban missile crisis records and it was amazing how stoic and effective he really was. >> so before we -- we've been talking all morning about approval rating, democrats, republicans, president obama and you mentioned something about his before we got on taxpayer. >> 85%. the only one close to him was ronald reagan with 74%. so in a sense the puzzle is why 50 years later does he have this hold on the american public? and i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that people have been so frustrated with the other presidents we've had.

johnson, the failure in vietnam. nixon and watergate. ford's truncated presidency. jimmy carter, first bush only there for one term, second bush with iraq and katrina and bill clinton with being the only elected president in history to have been impeached. i mean they turned to kennedy. they see him and they remember his words. he remains a kind of inspirational figure. >> it's also, i would think, the dangling possibility that what might have been possible. >> exactly. >> it would have been if he lived. for instance in the book, terrific peric piece, terrific . the book indicated mansfield's

coolness. so, in december he told the senator his assessment didn't tally what he was hearing from the administration subordinates. afterward kennedy said i got angry with mike mansfield and i got angry with myself because i found myself agreeing with him. i want gets back to his distrust of his national security advi advisers and the joint chiefs. what would he have done with vietnam? >> you know, my answer is i don't have a ghost of a thought in the sense that nobody can say gee i don't think he himself knew what he would have done. i love the antecdote and schlesinger says what will i do there and kennedy says i don't

know what i'll be doing there. see, he was smart and he was honest about the fact, you run for president and you say all sorts of things but you don't know what will come up to hit you in the face. >> he followed a guy, eisenhower, who was rising in all historians eyes at the same time that thought that kennedy was too young and too inexperienced to be president and didn't like his management style. ike told kennedy it's like a pyramid, if it gets to the top it's very important. richard reid said kennedy saw himself in the middle of all these arrows. it was chaotic sometimes. >> without question it was chaotic. we talk about crisis. he passed through crisis after crisis over cuba, over berlin, over nuclear weapons. >> who was the most influential

voice and least influential voice. you wrote in the book some people were misinterpreted. >> most influential voice was bobby kennedy. one of the frustrations for historians is they had meeting after meeting behind closed doors. we don't have records of that. we don't know what they said to each other. the only way we could figure this out is bobby would go into these meetings and say things and some people said jack would smile. because bobby was sort of being the hatchet man. he was taking the initiative. bobby kennedy was the adviser. >> the book is show white coll fifth season. they join us next. guys. i'm driving. hey, you guys comfortable? it's best-in-class rear legroom. and with a turbo engine that gets 35 highway m-p-g.

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oswald. i don't think the audience knew. >> we were talking about camelot's court and he gets on the set and said i played him three times. >> and it's odd because he was folically challenged as i am, but he was only like 24 or something. >> go ahead, mike. >> how do you go mentally from playing a largely female cast from "sex and the city" to a largely all guy cast in this one? >> happily. each roll and each cast has its own personality and challenges and character actors like myself who move on and you enter into the world and you move on.

he was an iconic figure. it is shocking. >> now white collar is in the 16th. that's exciting. >> it is pretty exciting. >> the character you play, how is it over the five seasons? >> what's great about a long run is that you learn more every episode about the person that you are playing. each season we find out the fbi finds out my real name who i am kind of an underground operator behind the scenes. we are kind of hunted and we don't like that. it was how we operate under pressure. we are usually the criminals pulling all the strings and this year we made a deal with the devil and you have to answer to someone else. >> very nice. >> it's great for actors.

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ed. >> i want to make a point in a minute. >> i would like permission to use scissors. the biggest evidence yet that our congress functions at a kindergarten level. >> i'm going cut this credit card up. it's time we quit borrowing mon money. i will just tear it up.

>> what are you doing? you don't know the giant whose credit card that is. >> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 on the west coast if you take a live look at new york city. that's where donny deutsch is. and in washington, robert gibbs. for the first time since 2008, the government shut down and function in washington is the number one concern and over 33% and all sides are taking a hit in approval ratings as a result, the damage to the republican brand is proving to be the worst. now only 28% of americans say they have a favorable view of the republican party, the lowest since the poll first began, asking the question 21 years

ago. senator ted cruz, according to the washington examiner in a closed door meeting with his republican colleagues, they argued that the shut down has been good for the gop, pointing to his own internal polling. that same poll that senator cruz paid for shows the republicans taking the lion's share of the blame. they said republicans are in a better position than they were in 1995 because it is based on the fight over obama care and not spending in general. >> i don't think anybody is belaboring that. he is putting himself in a horrible position now. he has his fingerprints all over it. you look, donny deutsch, at the record lows.

democrats are only one point off their low since 1992 and an ap poll is an out liar that has them in the high 30s and most averages have them around 44%. this hurts absolutely everyone. >> but the republicans have a fund-raiser and they are really, really worried come november if republicans come in. there is going to be a backlash and say what you want about obama. this is a republican disaster. obviously it's going to hurt one way or the other, but i never have seen him just talk to people just that they are repulsed by what is happening. in my lifetime i have never been

as fed up with government, with politicians. you just want to take a shower. >> you really do. the republicans are really bearing the lion's share of the blame right now and there is a column with a conservative guy and the republican party's suicide. >> in the new york post, some conservatives say they don't care about the gop, but what they care about are conservative ideas. they are right. but here's the conundrum. there is only one electoral vac. the republican party. it's one thing reing to waste your time buffing a vehicle, but in making the vehicle function better you muck up the engine, put the wrong tires on it and

pour antifreeze in the gas tank, you are exceeding forward movement. you are not repairing it. it may not have been a good vehicle in the first place and you may not think it couldn't drive worse, but it's the only one you've got. >> it's getting worse. there is a development in the parties and you look at a guy like chris christie, he is ahead like 33 points in his state that barack obama won by 18 points. >> 66% approval rating. the gop is suffering with the republicans outside the capital. they tell a different story and the state won by president obama by 18 points last year. chris christie currently ahead of his challenger by 33 points

and has 66% approval rating in that blue state. let's look at other governors. you can go to ohio, john casic has a 54% approval rating. new mexico carried by ten points and the president carried it. a 66% approval rating. mike, is it about the republican party? these people do certain things. >> they run their government. they operate their government. >> they don't tell the bond holders they are going to buy bonds. in wisconsin, he is such an idea log, our bond rating because we are getting fiscally responsible

and it will be easier for wisconsin to borrow money. >> there were four governors. the republicans have a specific portion of the republicans in the house of representatives in washington, d.c. those four people you see on the screen left every day until they can say that a, they can run their government and are running their government and b, those who are running are running for something and not against something. they also work with democrats and scott walker's 48% have barack obama and the same thing is they have to get things done for their constituents and winning political points. they had chris christie trying to manage the state through super storm sandy and president obama shakes his hand or whatever they did and they were

taxed by national republicans. he said what the hell are you talking about. i'm trying to help my state get through it. how dare you shake hands with a democrat. he said i'm saving my state. >> let me go to robert gibbs and come back to you. robert, it really is a tale of two parties. republicans control 60% of the government. a lot of them are doing really well. >> i go off of what mike said. the shot of his snazzy shirt. i just used that. it is hard for the american people to get the keys of government, the republicans that have no desire to want government in any level to operate. you have republicans that are making it work in different states and democrats that are making it work in different states. you have to work with the other

party. you have to make progress. you can't get any of what you want if you won't take some rather than all. that's why in 2016 while the base will be excited about rand paul and ted cruz, the eventual nominee i think comes from a state because it's a better laboratory for how they might run washington. >> it will be a chris christie or scott walker or nick daniels. let me ask you, robert, you go back and clinton won in 92. he was going to be a new democrat and bring washington together. that was eight years of political hell and george w. bush came to washington and we heard the stories about how great he worked with democrats in austin, texas and he was going to change all that and he was going to be a uniter and not a divider. that was eight years of

political hell. we heard the stories about how barack obama worked with republicans in the legislature and here we are six years in and it's just as bad as the past two administrations. what is it about washington that breeds the dysfunction that even the president did not have in their past life on the state level. >> part of it is endemic to this town. it was interesting when you watch -- john boehner's message is let's negotiate. most people would think he's probably the least positioned to negotiate. i think the messages tend to be the opposite of what the other guy is saying when that might not be the best thing to do. you can add into that, you have again things like a much faster media cycle and things like

twitter and the internet that adds to that. the political polarization you see in the representatives that come here, how many come in and whose outcomes are so different than the national elections and each side of the spectrum, instead of working with the other party. i think all of that is a toxic cocktail. >> you guys saw this? >> you have the wrong side. >> joe gerardi, man. this is such a huge story in new york about this cop that allowed the mother to be beaten up by the motorcycle gang. >> it's unfortunate, but it's policing everywhere. >>a i disgusting story.

>> my gosh. we are following that and then we had the mayor on and he was commenting and they are trying to see exactly what happened. before we go to break, there was about a week until the special election and the senate seat in new jersey happened last night and got kind of heated. republican candidate called them a base line for the taxpayer money. >> why didn't corey booker tweet that? >> a few contenders were heated more than once over the topic of gun violence. >> since i have been elected in 2006. shootings are down. critical issues that are not solved by background checks in the secondary markets that my opponent opposes. he is dropping money into his campaign. >> corey booker about a month

ago, a girl was shot to death. he was telling what a great job he was doing in new york. >> ten people in new york, one a day for ten days while my opponent was in hollywood and san francisco promoting himself. >> the delaware river, we have to pull back and like many want to do it can pollute all waters. >> it's because of all the bodies floating around from shoot being waters. >> oh, my god! >> we have a government in shut down because of tea party extremists that are stopping our government. my opponent is a leader of the tea party in new jersey and somebody that supports the shut down. >> across the united states of america, you get 10 $ every time you say tea party.

you can offset the million to advance the left wing agenda. they are americans for prosperity with taxes and liberty. if they were called politicians for prosperity, you would be a charter member. >> wow. i will say this. this race is about to stay. they have someone coming in against corey booker. sarah palin is coming in to campaign. >> let's go work in the jersey state. >> i bet she is big in jersey. >> in some parts she is. >> i met sarah ferguson in jersey. >> fergie?

>> i want to apologize to the children. nantucket. >> i know you are a great dad. >> can you ask you something? women look at that and thinks that makes you more sensitive. >> yes, finally. >> and the puppy dog. >> when i'm walking to the park with my white labs and pushing the stroller -- >> can i ask you this? do they know they are like a pick up game? >> it's not written down, but everyone we meet, everybody wins. >> the nanny takes the women. donny gets back to there also. the kids of child actors.

>> coming up on "morning joe," we will check in with politico and mcdonald's looking to boost its public image offering free books in happy meals. that's featuring the company's own characters. that story is just ahead. you will love that. the government may be shut down, but man cleaning crew is taking the capital by force. lawn mower man is into action. >> bill is the one. >> he walks around with one of the leaf blowers. >> and stares into windows. >> only your house. >> good morning. we are watching a horrible weather pattern on the i-95

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>> per time to take a look at the morning papers. the tampa bay times. bill young will not seek

reelection in 2014. we will retire for his health and spending more time with his family. the 83-year-old expressed frustration with the government shut down. he served 42 years in the u.s. congress. >> he also is the mentor and a great man and great representative. bill young was the minority leader in the florida senate and when he called a caucus, we would meet wherever he was because he was the only member of the republican party in the senate. >> 42 years serving. >> every time they got angry, they wait. >> what a guy. >> what a guy. evil elmo is going to prison. he pled guilt tow black mailing the girl scouts after threatening to spread rumors about the organization after sex

with young men and girls. he was arrested for selling anti-semitic comments. >> the minneapolis star tribune, the father of the 9-year-old boy who flew through security broke his i had sense with his face covered. he tearful expressed concern for his son, describing him as hard to control. >> we have no idea where he was. what can i do? i need help and there is no one helping me. if i want my son, i get locked up. if i let my son keep doing what he is doing, i get in trouble. it's terrible. please. >> wow. >> "usa today" for the first two weeks of november, mcdonald's is going to give out books in the

place of the iconic happy meal toys. this comes as they continue to redo the happy meals. they will feature fruits and veggie options. >> you county jail them happy meals you ought to look. >> there is nothing happy about that. >> take a look at that. >> you don't get a toy and you don't get french fries. i might as well get socks. >> "washington post," the men from south carolina took it upon himself to clean up the ground around the lincoln memorial. it's with a lake, lawn mower and the south carolina state flag. he has been in the capital for days cleaning up. he said i'm not here to point fingers, i only want to inspire people to come out and make a

difference. >> better be careful. they may arrest him. >> a look at the "time" magazine. time will be looking at how a $31 billion debate can change gun control. >> interesting. >> let's go to willie for the politico playbook. >> let's go to the executive director. we are hoping to see his son, james, but we will take jim. >> on the subtoday. >> you are the sub. >> i come bearing goodish news. i always feel like i have downer news. i believe we will have a deal. within days to avoid the debt limit and potentially to reopen the government. the reason is there is no formal announcement coming out today and almost every time it is moving towards a compromise. the president is open to a

short-term deal. paul ryan has a lot of sway costing them about a deal that would give at least a short-term increase in exchange for cost about entitlement reform. you have most conservatives saying they might warn for that idea and only the far, far, far right would be opposed. it would be enough to get that done. mitch mcconnell is getting involve and he has been on the side lines and is talking about a deal similar to what paul ryan is talking about. you have business community over the last 24 hours going public with concerns and warnings to republicans about the consequence on contributions. the consequences on some of these house raises. i think all of those will lead to a deal and a deal relatively soon on the debt limit. the big question is it's a short-term deal that is unsatisfying because you know there is not enough time to get

the grand bargain, but it avoids the debt limit crisis and gets the government up and running again and give us the possibility of talks. once you get in your room, something could happen. >> and defund obama care and the short-term entitlement reform. help me understand why president obama would go back and look at entitlements in a way he hasn't in the past. >> be clear for the president said they would be happy to look at entitle 789s as long as it's not part of the deal. we will only raise the debt limit if you pass the debt limit increase. he's happy to have the conversations. i think having the conversations and getting a deal is tough. the budget has lots of perspective for entitlement changes. the problem is he wants corresponding tax increases. it's really hard for me to see

republicans stomaching any kind of tax increases for an entitlement deal after a full surrender on health care and they will do a full surrender. because of ted cruz's position of the world is a dead end position, most republicans now know it. >> how short-term are we talking? >> i think short. from four to six weeks and they might make it contingent on the bigger the talks, the longer the deal might go. it will be short. we will avoid drama in the moment, but you will face drama within weeks. >> coming up next, the opinion editor, emily miller from crime victims to gun rights advocate. "morning joe" is back in a minute. ♪

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you. >> joining us now, senior editor of the opinion page of the washington times and author of emily gets her gun. emily miller. >> you can debate and obviously i get in the middle of it and regarding background checks, i keep talking about guns. i thought you were like born with a shotgun.

a sawed off shotgun in your hand. >> i shot a gun for the first time less than two years ago. the governor said he is taking the hunting gun, girl. i never have been hunting. i want to go hunting. i'm from baltimore. my dad had a revolver growing up, but it was a secret from his daughters. i found out as an adult. i was the victim of a home invasion and that inspired me. i walk into the house and found a man in there robbing it. i said thank god i was not physically harmed, but i wanted to follow him down the street to get a picture for the police and found his buddies around the corner and ran. i was like what if he came back and what if it happens again.

d.c. has an increase in crime rate. i learned within four months to get a real gun. obviously it's going down the street and picking them off off each other. since then a year ago, we had a push by obama and talking about millions of dollars to push the laws and five states passing radical gun control laws. it's still pushed in the senate. what happened since. i don't see how i went through to get a legal gun in d.c. is going to affect any gun control law for the crimes. that's the fact. the harvard study. >> do you think that -- i come from a family of gun owners and hunters actually. >> you grew up around guns. >> so i understand a lot of the

concerns that gun owners have because i know a lot of gun owners. having said that, do you think the terms are created by people who purely want to chip away at the american second amendment rights or do you think an honest effort to beat around the problems of these unbelievably powerful weapons in the wrong hands? >> you are probably talking about the spotlights. that's a misleading term. an assault rifle is a machine gun. you pull the trigger and those are not on the streets. although obama said military weapons have to get off the streets. those aren't military weapons. they are semi automatic weapons with cosmetic appearances. they are called assault weapons because it's one of the more original gun control readings.

they said it will confusion the public into thinking before the assault weapons ban was enacted in order to think they are weapons of war. they are confusing them. i believe there is a lot of language being used. that high capacity magazine and high powered rifle and ammo doesn't mean anything. i think a lot of media use is not using the correctly. >> should people be allowed to be allowed to use bazookas? >> i don't know what that is. >> those should be outlawed? why shouldn't i be allowed to own the weapons that are outlawed? >> why not? they have been outlawed since 1934. >> why those? >> those are weapons of war. >> those are automatic machine guns. >> so if i want to defend myself --

>> we as a society decided in 1934 and i don't think anyone anywhere is arguing to readjust that. you can argue that. >> where do you draw the line between a weapon and -- >> semi automatic versus automatic. >> like newtown. >> i think the best thing to defend myself family is with an automatic weapon. i think that's the best way to defend myself family. >> you want to own an automatic weapon. >> i think it's the best way to defend my family. >> you can apply and they will do a background check. >> you get the assault weapon. do you believe that the supreme court is going to say americans have the right to defeat.

we know it's not an assault weapon, but military style weapons. >> yeah. the owner of the bushmaster, i say the name of your company is confusing. a lot of people think bushmaster is something like that is in vietnam. it's just a brand and what differentiates it is a pistol grip. it's easier for me to hold because i don't have to hold everything because i'm short and that is all that is. bushmaster makes it sound scary. >> it's a scary gun. >> it's not. it doesn't shoot any differently than others. than a hand gun or hunting rifle. >> it has a much different

impact. >> there is no functional difference. >> if they went in with a hand gun ned instead of a bushmaster. >> he would have killed just as many kids. >> i don't think so. >> i hate talking about him. it's so disgusting. let's not talk about that. about people dying. my point is only about the ar-15s and the military style weapons people are afraid of. they are 100% not any different than a hunting rifle. they look like military rifles and half the people own them are former military and law enforcement. >> they are not bigger? are. >> no. the same caliber and function. >> half the owners are for military and law enforcement because they are used to them and they are easier to shoot. they are the light car bine. >> easier to shoot where?

>> 80% of people to own them use them for target practice. in all the 11,000 gun murders a year, 300 are from rifles. >> what is wrong back ground checks some. >> they are not working now. >> the system doesn't work now so why don't we make it better some. >> we need to get the mental health records. they have not been put in in a lot of states. that needs to be done. the system, i went through it to get my gun and i didn't get caught, but all the records are in there. all the denials, people who don't pass, we are only prostituting -- >> why don't we make it a better system? >> we need to. >> you say i'm not going to support background systems

because the current doesn't work. that says to me we need to make it better. >> we need to focus on the state's health records and the investigations and you are only getting down to like 60 people for illegal guns every year. woe all agree we do not want illegal guns and criminals. the drug abusers and all the people have guns. how do we stop them? the thing we disagree on is the way to do that. >> em low miller, thank you very much. nice to meet you. "morning joe" will be right back. bl [ banker ] sydney needed some financial guidance

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>> kind of a bad day for 12 people on a roller coaster last night. riders of the rocket got stuck at a car on the top of the hill. it took two hours to get them down. no one was hurt. there was a glitch in the safety system. >> at least it was warm out. >> yeah. >> i was up there. i guess we want to know the headlines of what he is saying. >> brian, good morning. let's check out the futures. the dow is up 100 points. that's a significant rebounds. maybe we have a short-term deal here.

right now we have jack lew intensifying on capitol hill and a lot of people focussing on whether or not october 17th a week from today is the drop dead deadline in terms of when the u.s. runs on the debt ceiling. we hit the debt ceiling in may using short-term measures and keeping the up iffing going. he couldn't indicate whether it was much past october 17th. anyway, the u.s. will be able to keep going. a lot of people here if you look at the bipartisan policies it's more towards the end of the month. it's basically the day for we need this deal and we will have to assume there isn't one. that won't happen towards the end of the month. hopefully that gives a sense of why we are rebounding and still remain vulnerable that we get out of the hearings and meetings with democrats and republicans

throughout the day. one thing from washington, a couple of developments in terms of pc to mobile. something we are all familiar with right now. first of all spending on mobile doubled in the first part of this year. that's in the third quarter hit a five-year low. the trend from desk tops to tablets and mobile phones as the primary device is happening more quickly. at least the advertising agency were able to get that. >> the stock price too, a lot of that has to do with the rebound in mobile. quickly you will see the headlines up 66,000. it's not necessarily a bad story when we talk about what's going on in california, correct? >> what happens there is a delayed reaction. the numbers are -- what they are telling you is the low numbers

in the last several weeks and partly because you want to get out of california. a little bit fuller of data and impact from the shut down. that pops up to 375,000. it's not a great number and one of the only numbers we get out of the government. >> mika, they are over to softwares and a couple of weeks that they explained with the headlines. >> thank you very much. we'll be right back. helicopthierhis hibuzzing, andk engine humming. sfx: birds chirping sfx: birds chirping

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>> so john boehner had his own press conference. >> we going to sit down and have a conversation or republican we? there is a reason to make it more difficult to bring people to the table. there is no boundaries and nothing on the table and nothing on the table. >> that is a leader with a clear goal. i want a table. >> congress and the senate are still getting paid and still in session. what are they doing? they are getting paid for whatever it is they are doing. here's what they were doing today. take a look at what's going on now.

>> i ordered my ice cream. >> i went to the ice cream place. >> ice cream is healthy. >> i didn't want to go for ice cream. >> funny. tomorrow on "morning joe" our friend will be here to launch his project. his new social network culturalist.com will offer a new way to share opinions about pretty much anything through the mechanism of the top ten list to add their own top 10 list where they can show their own conversation threads. we will show you that tomorrow including one that was going on in washington. the top ten best political leaders we need right now. we will be features our own top 10 lists starting with the top ten best "morning joe" moments. >> we talk about this plan.

i'm looking forward to that. >> wow. i don't want to see that. that's not -- >> i want to know what we learned today. we'll be right back. hey, i notice your car is not in the driveway. yeah. it's in the shop. it's going to cost me an arm and a leg. that's hilarious. sorry. you shoulda taken it to midas. get some of that midas touch. they tell you what stuff needs fixing, and what stuff can wait. next time i'm going to midas. high-five! arg! i did not see that coming. trust the midas touch. for brakes, tires, oil, everything. (whistling)

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mike, what did you learn? >> speaking with probrian shack, i want the detroit tigers. they can't feel for the defensive teams. >> other than that. i'm shocked. >> i thought the tigers were a team. >> talking during the team and listening to that. >> you are not looking. i'm talking and you are not looking. what did you learn today? >> instead of a top ten list, the uncomfortable moments. >> awkward moments. >> he talks about his naked pictures of himself. >> it's soft lighting. making a difference today. we were all a lot younger then.

>> they are way over. >> what about you learn? >> weekend is putting happy meals in it for healthy eating. wonderful. >> "the daily rundown." >> you can count. the shut down clock gets longer and the debt deadline gets shorter. they look for a way out. meetings galore