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establishment telling voters of a tale of two cities, the haves and the have nots. de blasio is promising a real break from the bloomberg era. i was an early supporter of de blasio, but the question remains what can any mayor do about inequality on america's home turf. bill de blasio tonight, up late. the premise of your campaign has been about addressing inequality. and what i'll call the big three among other things points that you made are you want to have universal pre-k, you want to build 200,000 units of affordable housing in the city, and you want to raise taxes on people earning $500,000 or more. by whatever amount. my question is, what i don't see

here is job creation. and how do you think -- do you think that job creation is a priority for your administration and how do those things address job creation? >> job creation is absolutely a priority. i think you're exactly right. the focus is on addressing inequality. sadly, it takes many forms in this city. but to achieve job creation is one about a city government aggressively focusing on not just job creation but jobs that will reach people in the outer b burroughs, will reach people less advantaged and accident wages and benefits. so it's a bigger conception of job creation than has been recognized in government. and we talk about the affordability crisis in this city. one part of it the dumbing down of wages and benefits. but the other part is the lack of affordable housing. my 200,000 units of affordable housing will help people to have a more affordable lifestyle, but

in the process, there will be job construction in the maintenance of the buildings and then to make sure those jobs reach -- our task is to make sure the jobs reach the residents of the five boroughs. so a lot of pieces of this plan come with an inherent element to them. >> but manufacturing jobs have been collapsing and even in the last 12 years we've lost 50%. we were reading where it said 50% of manufacturing jobs have evaporated between 2000 and 2011. what i wonder sometimes is, is your quest for inequality one in which you are constantly tilting against market forces? >> well, the quest to address inequality inherently means defining government as a force in the equation. so no one who understands history would say that the marketen her ently takes care of

all the issues. it is the role of government to be the course corrector. >> the balance. >> the balance, correct. i have a very aggressive vision of how we do that. now the current mayor, michael bloomberg, the free marketeer that he always said he was, and the inequality crisis grew and grew. the worst income disparity since the great depression right now many new york city. and he did not think it was right for the government to intervene. for example, when i talk about creating affordable housing, i say we need to use the public pension fund dollars to help to prime the pump. that's using public assets aggressively and strategically. the mayor did not agree with that. i think what we're going to be confronting here in new york city and beyond is a time that the government is going to have to work harder to address a crisis of inequality. that's truly deepened. it is not like when we were coming up. when we were coming up, of course there were rich and poor. but there was immense opportunity. fairly holistic opportunity. what's happened with really since reagan is a downward

pressure on wages and benefits, a clear decline of the middle class. greater and greater income disparity and then we got hit -- >> we're just a more expensive role perhaps. >> well, that could be true, too. right. >> in my opinion, as wages go down and benefits go down and as good middle class jobs go down, in order for the government to step in and perform that balancing act, it costs more and more and more money. at what point i'm wondering -- in new york for example, there are people who think that new york exists in a manhattan sen trick nexus. you're an -- you're a non- manhattan resident to become mayor since beam. >> yeah, beam, i believe. >> about 40 years since we had somebody outside of 212 for mayor. like, for example, why don't you say to yourself or the fathers, the economic fathers and mothers don't sit there and say, let's

let manhattan become bel air, california. build whatever they want, let the developers do whatever they want and make money and you tax it an achieve all the goals you want to in the outer burroughs? do you believe that people have a right or you want to subsidize their preference to live in manhattan? do you agree with what i'm saying? >> i want to respond and frame it a little differently. to me it's not a question are we trying to ignore market realities and say manhattan is an easy place for lower income folks to live. i understand what's happened in manhattan the last few decades. it does not resemble the manhattan historically true of this city. but i think what i key in on here is bloomberg literally had a vision of the new york city as of high-end of the economy, the industries that we would embrace, tech, wall street, it would be luxury housing, that narrow vision has helped to

exacerbate the inequality crisis of the city. as we build affordable housing, we're still cognizant of the market realities. we are not suggesting that we can drop down affordable housing anywhere, any time in any manner. it has to be in a coordination of development already happening. with that being said, if we continue on a path in which we constantly exclude poor folks, working class folks, now even more and more folks that you and i would consider middle class folks, if they're being pushed out of this city incessantly, i don't think it's a functioning city in the future. i think a functioning, strongly is one in which opportunity is broadly available. >> borough by borough? >> all boroughs. absolutely. even if jobs may be more concentrated in manhattan and people commute in, that's fine. but the point is, there has to be not just a perception but a reality of opportunities starting to expand again in a truly meaningful way.

one, that every kind of person has a chance which we know right now is just not that true. many people are structurally negative place in terms of employment. two, that the jobs you get could actually uplift you. so what's happened in the bloomberg years, not all because of him but the rise of tourism. tourism is fantastic for new york city. as tourism is developed, it is developed around minimum wage jobs, often no benefits. and so, people get a job but not an i don't know they can live on. how does government intervene to push up wages and benefits? i think we have a lot of tools to do it. starting with the money we spend ourself in government. starting with our ability to decide on firms that get subsidiaries, what kind of conditions we put on those subsidies. >> what's an example of something you change in that area? >> living wage legislation is a great example. it says if you get a government discuss subsidiary and not in the exempted areas like affordable housing or nonprofits, you get a government

subsidiary, we're going to require you to pay $10 an hour to your workers. if they get benefit and $11 if they don't. >> what's the biggest impediment to that? >> a lot of people in the private sector don't want to pay that differential. if you're getting a subsidiary and getting private dollars to help you do your work, and we're the most lucrative part of the country so there's reasons people want to be here. the price of admission is you have to pay your people a little bit better to function better as a society. by the way, if we don't do that, guess who ends up paying the bill ultimately? taxpayers. as people are failing and families can't make it, taxpayers will have to catch the burden. if you want to argue it practically, if we don't at the front end of the process improve people's incomes and benefits, even just a little, we'll pay on the back end. >> of those three things i

mentioned, affordable housing, universal pre-k and the tax raise and housing, two of them depend in some part on the one, on the tax raise. but you yourself, nor does any mayor, have the authority to raise taxes. the state plays a big roll in that, correct? >> of course. >> what's your relationship with cuomo? >> it's great. >> you worked with him in hud. >> i did. a very close personal relationship. >> is he going to want to raise taxes? >> we've heard him talk over years about his vision on the question of taxation. that to me, one, that was over the last few years. today we're here in a new situation. >> what are you going to say to persuade him? knowing he's running for re-election for whatever. >> i'm going to show -- you're mischievous, sir. >> i know. >> i'm going to show him that there's tremendous popular support because i know there will be for the notion of asking the wealthy to do a little more. by the way, the tax rate i proposed is no higher than michael bloomberg set it ten years ago. >> to off set the crisis.

of 9/11. >> it's a crisis of affordability. >> bloomberg raises taxes to 4.5% right after 9/11 for emergency services and so forth that happened in the wake of 9/11. >> i'm talking about raising them to 4.4. so the bottom line -- >> just for good measure. >> exactly. in terms of albany, one it's about popular support. if people are saying, yeah, it is fair to ask the wealthy to do a little more, yes our kids are not being served by the school system and not enough focus on early childhood and we need to do this. point one. point two, i think we're going to be able to make the argument that we're falling behind as a city, as a state, as a country if we don't focus on early childhood education. and i think there's a growing understanding in the public debate -- by the way, you want proof, look at china, india, germany. they're all running to make sure, rushing to make sure that their children get early

childhood education. >> everywhere i go i hear people say that that's a long-term goal and where the dividends will be paid in the long term, correct? >> long-term. but not that far in the future. goes into pre-k at the age of 4, be in the workforce 14 years later potentially. much more important, this is the kind of investment if you don't make it soon, you exacerbate the negative dynamic. you know, we -- simple point. the amount of education you have determines your economic destiny that is more true today than before. the amount of education needed for economic success has gone up intensely. 30% of american children at the age of 4 get full-day pre-k right now. 40%. that's all. in this city, 50,000 kids get something less than full day pre-k. >> but are you concerned -- when we talk about raising taxes and the relationship with cuomo and the state, say c you mom runs

for something else. say he runs for a nationwide office. that would perhaps call into question, how do your policies and his relationship with you and your policies, how do you think your policies play outside the city? what happens if bill won statewide or nationwide office? do the things you believe only exist in new york city with a lot of wealthy liberals to subsidize the things you want to do? >> as i've gone across this city, talking to people over this last year, the profound sense of crisis, you know, you just need to talk to new yorkers for a few minutes to start to realize something very different is going on. people feel economically insecure. they know their children are not being prepared for the future properly. they feel deeply we're in a transition and government has to address it. i think the combination of taking this challenge on head on, not gong to sweep it under the rug, we have to focus on early childhood education if we

expect to address the future needs of this city, state, country. second, that the wealthy have not only done well but surpassing the previous status and look at the rate of the stock market. setting records, all-time highs. it is fair to ask the wealthy to do a little more. that's increasingly mainstream. look at the polling about the election we're having. striking number of republicans and democrats agree with the ideas i'm putting forward. in i think in terms of the governor, he'll see the support and i think that's persuasive to him in the legislature. i'm christina caradona,

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skrirks one of the interesting things in my lifetime which changed is how all americans now are all in on the dow.

public tensions. >> right, right. didn't used to be. yep when we were coming up -- >> unheard of. it was a board game played by wealthy individuals and people who also had a fascination, some kind of pension of that kind of speculative investing. now all of america has their eyes on the dow and what the dow is -- even if they don't understand what it means. and my point is that for the dow to do well, sometimes for wall street to do well, that is cliche. we have heard this before. main street may not do well. people rooting for the pension funds to earn greater income in the stock market are rooting for the companies to put them out of a job. what's it like to be mayor of the city where wall street is such a huge engine and what happens to wall street and how well wall street does is a big part of how well your city does and your tax base? >> first, you know, for the next month, i have to humbly focus on getting the people to agree to give me that job. i'm in the middle of the i don't

know interview. your point is so fundamental when we were growing up the stock market was an extraction. a lot of working class folks, middle class folks -- >> are in. >> the contradiction is the crux of this to me and right back to how we have to treat wall street in this city. a mayor of new york city can only wish for a strong financial sector here, building the most jobs possible, most secondary jobs, paying the most taxes. i would be right there with that concept. but one, we have needed reform on wall street since the crisis. we needed it before the crisis, in fact. and so, i don't want to ever mistake the notion of, yeah, we have a hometown industry and want it to do well and we need the constant march of reform. >> we don't want them to break the car before they drive it. >> thank you. i don't think there's any dichotomy for a mayor of new york city to say, god bless you, creating jobs and tax revenue and make sure -- >> go forth and prosper but obey the rules. >> behave and make sure it's done right. and i think in the same vein to

say to folks who are wealthy, we need more help to fix the challenges in the society, i think it -- there really is a consistency in this. i think the analogy you make to people hoping for the stock price to go up even if it means the price of their own job, their own hometown factory and all, that's a point to think more about the hometown factory at this point in our evolution and stock prices, of course, and what it means for our pension funds, very, very important and arguing that the economy is so unbalanced that people are suffering so deeply that right now the task of government is to right the ship and by the way, the president -- look at the last few state of the union addresses. he laid out the core concepts of new investment infrastructure and education to put us on the right path, a huge amount of job creation in the bargain and republican congress that won't allow him to. i'm arguing as i did this week at mayor bloomberg's annual conference of cities that cities

and state vs to take matters in their own hands as much as humanly possible and we have to create some of the course corrections within their own capacity and, for example, in this city, one of the things that excites me the most is building retro fits and right for the climate, right for the environment but it's also a way to get employment opportunities to a lot of folks who haven't had them. you'd love there to be a program to retro fit buildings all over the country. here they come. it's not happening. >> they can't afford it. here's a question in to another broader topic, what's your view of legalizing marijuana? >> one thing i know i believe in is legislation of governor cuomo, decriminalize the display of a small amount of marijuana. we have a horrible dynamic with the stop and frisk policy which -- >> we'll get to that. >> i'm sure we will. if you have a small amount of marijuana in the pocket, that's not illegal.

if you are asked by an officer to bring it out and show what's in your pockets and bring it out with everything else, you have broken the law. that's crazy. it is not fair. it is not helping to address serious crime. what it is doing is saddling a lot of young people, particularly a lot of young people of color. >> many people you're in favor of legalizing marijuana, a, because it's a victimless crime and also because -- >> no. i want to be clear. i'm sorry to interrupt. legalizing that display of a small amount to stop the contradiction of a lot of young people saddled with a charge over something -- >> stopping the contradiction your only concern? >> that's the first concern and the one -- >> what about prisons? >> of course because what it leads to is criminal records that inhibit employment and then unfortunately probably make it easier for people to be in the criminal life. i want to see that legislation passed in albany. medical marijuana is something i don't know enough about. there's a raging debate and a serious, serious area of public debate to look at and there's people suffering.

i think what i'm saying to you is i understand the argument for medical marijuana legalization with proper controls more than i understand the argument for full legalization. i think it should come to the fore in the public debate but where i am personally, the only thing i know i fully support is that legislation albany to decriminalize the display of small amounts. >> stop and frisk. >> yeah. >> say you win -- >> i like your positive thinking. >> say you become the mayor, long shot, and who's going to be the police commissioner? >> well, first, have to win and go through a very thorough process and i have said i want a commission they are's going to end the stop and frisk era. >> kelly's gone? >> kelly's gone. with all due respect to him but time for a change. >> stop and frisk the only reason kelly's gone? >> no. but a very prominent reason. a commissioner to focus on the relationship of public and police and intensify the crime

fighting relationship and respect the u.s. constitution in the bargain. bill bratton was the commissioner. i think is one of the great policing experts in this country. another guy who's the chief of department right now in new york city, phil banks who i have a lot of respect for. two people to look at, interview. but if the people choose me, that's going to then occasion a very careful vetting and a very -- this is one of the biggest decisions you make. careful process to get it right and someone as a transformative figu figure. >> when you look at stop and frisk, when you look at any number of cases, i'm of the firm belief that the overwhelming majority of police officers are honest and decent. >> unquestionably. >> when the police go through the spasms of public relations problems and someone shot or the adrian schoolcraft case and so forth, it just seems all the more, you know, luminous in the press and so forth because it's police and a sacred trust there. but, do you find that the mayor of new york has a relationship

with the police department and the chief of police kind of similar to the relationship of the president of the united states with the pentagon and the intelligence community? the police run their own show and they're going to act respectful toward the mayor of new york and appreciate you to keep the nose out of their business and do our own thing and take care of our own? >> i'll meet you with an answer that might surprise you. i think the history of the military in the united states of america is a full understanding of civilian control. i really think there is. i think -- >> implied one? >> well, no. i would argue there's a lot of evidence that senior figures in the military, even when they disagree, know that the president is the elected commander in chief. and real consequence for those that disagreed too openly. we have seen that in many administrations starting with truman and macarthur. the theory is established that you work for the civilian authority as it should be. i think here in new york a very different history developed.

where there was a kind of two ships passing in the night dynamic often where one police plaza self contained. we have certainly had commissioners that set a lot of their own policies without overly consulting with city hall. so i think there is a subtle but important dynamic here that we need our police leadership to recognize that the changes we have to make are crucial to the future of this city. >> you will have more civilian oversight? >> unquestionably. the people demand the changes, rightfully. i believe in the idea of an independent inspector general. >> does -- agree with you on that? >> i haven't had that conversation with him but it's an important reform we need to have in this city but the point being, you know, democracy, we elect the commander in chief. doesn't matter talking about the president in washington or a mayor or a governor. we elect the commander in chief and now it has to be and i think we have to really evolve a bit

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i think of one part of my sense of social mission is to try to help parents do what they do because it's so difficult. that's what i had to take care of and also started making me think my job is to help other people take care of it, too. >> our staff sitting around and watching, of course, a lot of your advertising or your campaign pieces and where we called a video it's morning in park slope and a very warm and kind of positive tone to your

relationship with your family. and in fact, one of us joked about do you and your son ever walk down the street together? and also, break into walking in slow motion together in live action. to mimic the spots. you seem to have a very, very warm, positive, healthy home life. >> yeah. >> and yet, you yourself, you did not grow up that way. >> no. >> and i mean, a lot of the details of things you have been involved with in the past came up recently. my only question is, how do you think those things shaped the policies you want in this city? did they? >> they did, obviously. first, a personal point and then a substantive point. i think if you come from a -- the phrase broken home is a little hackny. mine was broken growing up. i think it sort of calls out for a lot of us the need to learn and get it right and figure out the antidote and a thing that's made me i hope a very devoted

husband and father is somehow i sought a way to respond to what i experienced, what my family experienced to somehow get it right. >> you wanted that? >> i wanted that desperately. and i was not sure bluntly it was doable. >> right. you even said in one of your pieces you didn't think you would get married and have a family. what changed? >> i start to worry is something in you, too. >> maybe it's me. >> maybe it's me. i will say my mother was extraordinary in the face of the challenges and i think in a way i gained a little faith despite the pain because she really did everything right she could under very, very trying circumstances. and so, it's not like there weren't some -- some touchstones, some guiding star and my extended family -- this is part of why my italian heritage is so important to me. they were a really close-knit unit. people had their backs and encouraged me but it took a long time to believe i could get it right and when i met my wife,

part of what's so hard to explain to people, some way i think it's probably the fourth date with her, i some kind of -- some feeling came over me that i found the soul mate, the one. that's something i sought so deeply that it was no way i was going to take it lightly. >> i always tell people i remember in my lifetime i would meet women and almost like god would say to me, this woman here is not the one you will end up with and be a lot like this woman. look at this woman. study this woman. she's a great person. she is smart and caring and those things so take a good look at her. someone like this is put in your life and be able to recognize it. ten years later. here's another one. study her real careful and then when my wife showed up, you recommends her now? >> well said. that's -- i literally felt when i really started spending time with her, i felt like -- it wasn't a voice literally and felt like a voice was telling me that i'd found the one. >> affect your policies?

>> deeply because i think it -- if you want to be, again, simple, you get a sense of underdog and the appreciation of the underdog through adversity yourself but i think it's much more complicated than that. i'm so focused, for example, on what families go through. focused on early childhood education. after school. because it comes out of seeing the struggle of family and having gloun up effectively in a single parent family. it's not hard, it's not abstract for me to think about what parents go through in this city where a huge percentage of families are single parent families, for example. and think about the things to do to support them and help them and i think, also, you know, my mom went through economic stresses after my dad and she divorced. she was the only breadwinner. he was not in a position to help. i think if you have gone through economic insecurity in your life, it really helps you realize how difficult it can be on people. now, it's not just occasional. it's persistent for so many

people. it absolutely informs my sense of how much we have to try to get people to a better place. and if you don't, i understand have a pretty clear sense of what happens to people. what happens to families if they don't have that helping hand sometimes. >> in my lifetime, when i grew up in, you know, the heart of su sur ban residential middle class long island, one of the things that just vibrates for me in my adult life is all the tiactivits through the school we went to and i grew up where kids who didn't sing in the chorus or play an instrument in the band or play basketball or weren't into wrestling or gymnastics, some thing to do after school, they all became drug addicts. whether they got in trouble, they were less than in some ways. >> right. >> and do you find that's part of what drives you in terms of funding things for schools? >> no question. >> you have to give kids something to do and somewhere to

go outside of television? whoops. i shouldn't say that. >> we'll look away on that. look. yeah. i think it's probably another window. the way you ask it makes me think that's another window i have from my experience. coming up in a troubled family, it is very easy to feel bad about the world and follow the wrong path. look at kids all over the city who are dealing with tough economic circumstances. a lot of whom are not being given a lot of hope that there's a great future ahead for them. by the way, this is another reason to want to change the stop and frisk policy because a lot of innocent, good, young men of color are being treated like there's something wrong with them. listen to how this goes. told there's something wrong with them. and you don't give positive options. if you don't give young people a sense of here's a pathway and can be an after school program or a team or that can be a band. could be a lot of different things and if there's no pathway it's easy to go in the wrong

direction and then a gang or something can look appealing to some kids. that's why, look. in my education plan, the focus on after school, idea that for three more hours a day kids in a safe, secure place learning, being engaged, arts and culture, the thing that is will engage them in addition to homework, help, tutoring, exactly in the make or break point and if we give them the positive alternatives, most kids will take them. if you don't, what described take them. >> the stop and frisk thing, i have a weak, tired analogy. the massive nets going trawling for tuna with and catch the other fish and say, tough, it's collateral damage. i find that those policymakers are just lazy. there's a harder work you to do in order to balance being tough on crime and balancing people's democratic freedoms that requires more effort, more work. and it seems like in our society

people have been making excuses that they -- as why they need things to be easier and easier and easier as time goes by and stop and frisk seems to me to be lazy. >> i appreciate that analysis. it's a very tough city an it's a tough city to police. >> yep. >> that being said, you know, the constitution laid out a tough mission. in a time in history, by the way, when things were, you know, they were chaotic, dynamics going on. and in this new country, born out of a war, you know, with the unknown ahead, people said, you know what? we're not going to allow authorities just walk into a house and start searching. they have to get a warrant and respect people's right to free speech and built the greatest nation in the world so i would argue a little bit of my theory is don't mess with the formula and say further you're right. it's harder. it's harder to -- >> to balance the two. >> to balance the two. it is the hard path. it is the right path, too. that's the american experience. it's a growing trend in business:

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i think that what bilbreys to the table, what he brings to the city, well, a few things. one, he is very smart. two, he is a person who brings people together. he's very sensitive and respectful of all peoples. >> your wife seems like a woman who probably the greatest compliment i could pay her is seems incapable of telling a lie or having a false moment and one of the things you see apropos of that is how she feels about you.

she is very fond of you and the question we wanted to ask you is what do you think it is about you your wife loves? >> let' reverse that for a second. >> how did you close that deal? >> the profile of her in "the new york times" and i have my differences with each media outlet but it captured a lot of why i fell in love with her because she went through a lot of tough stuff. she came out resolute and strong and full of hope, full of embrace for life and the people around her and wanting to make this world different and better and you're right. she doesn't know how to tell a lie. she is very forceful, strong willed. she never lets me get away with, you know, some kind of contradiction. and i love all that about her. but i think when i started to realize that -- i mean, even before i realized she was the one, just i had -- i always say it was like love at first sight. she felt nothing. but i for me it was love at

first sight and soy had a kind of sense i have to try to -- >> do the hard work. >> right. it was the hard work. i think we saw something similar in each other. we both had been through some difficult stuff but we both came out still with -- >> hope. >> real hope intact. >> yeah. >> we loved a lot of same things. one year in 1993, this is a great little indicator. we were still pretty early on. about a year and a half into our relationship. at lincoln center an african film festival and 28 films and went to one and then another and went to 21 of the 28 films and in the process, really still early in the development of our relationship, we found that we were -- we wanted to do the same things. we thought the same way. we noted the same quotes and scenes. it was happening. >> absolutely. >> i think we loved the pursuit of life's interests and the sort of -- to quote an album cover of a well-known band, rich's life pageant. there was a sort of joy while

grappling with things that change in the world, too. so i think it was effortless. >> did you think that new york in the post-racial obama years -- >> be careful with that phrase right there. but the post-obama years. i don't know what -- post-racial. >> what i want mean is wheres a an african-american president, do you find -- one thing is do you think the videos played as well as if your son wasn't half african-american? >> you know, i don't know. i think the first thing i would say is, you know, obviously it would be glorious to one day have a post-racial society. we are not there. >> i don't think we are. >> i think you're right that the election of obama was a watershed moment. now we have to build on that watershed moment. here, look.

i think there was a warmth that people connected to in the videos and the ads and just the experience of our family. i can't tell you how many people told me after election night what they felt about the speech introducing me and how many parents sort of said that they felt that as a parent, they felt like pride in her. for a daughter to be getting up there and giving that speech. so for both our kids and sort of the relationship that chirlane and i have, people picked up on it on a human level but there's something that i think is also true about, yes, it is an indicator of a society that may be healing, getting better but i don't think we think too us a ten tashsly. we fell in love. some wags suggesting a grand design. >> this was part of a plan. >> some grand plan. chirar, a group of media was around and she said it's not

like my dad fell in a black woman 20 years ago to put her on display. this is my daughter's quote. he could put her on display. >> i want your kids to wear t-shirts that say i'm not part of a grand plan. >> right. so we fell in love. we had idea what life ahead brought. we fell in love. our family, we always knew we would somehow be involved -- >> like people do. >> like people do and we knew -- we knew one thing. we met in city hall and felt we were change agents in our own way. we didn't make asumpbss but about the work of change and something to do together and fast forward to today, there is something in everything we did that is simply about family. family takes many forms. one of the things that government needs to do better is respect the fact that family takes many forms and we love and appreciate all kinds of families and doesn't matter traditional, untraditional. and i'll remember there's a moment where for dante's birthday, we went to a restaurant in brooklyn.

italian restaurant. right in the middle of the meal, an older woman, i think italian american from everything i could see, walked up and she goes, right to dante. she starts talking to him about the ad. and complimenting him and then turns to the table and says, and then maybe i should say 60 years old give or take. she says, that ad was about family. and then she walks away. and i think that was one of the moments of understanding. we are talking about, you know, trying to respect every kind of people, trying to have a city and a government that actually helps people along, that helps them through their struggles, that really loves and embraces people from that beginning point which is family of every kind. and i think that's what got communicated and it was less about look at the different skin colors and more at a coherence and a hope of where we have to go as a society. >> now, i looked at the times

video on "the new york times" website, hers to lose kind of a postmortem on quinn's campai campaicampaign -- >> led polls for months and democrats focused on the race more opted for a cleaner break with mayor bloomberg than she offered. >> you in my mind are viewed with a defensive touchdown. someone else fumbled the ball on the ten yard line and you ran the ball 90 yards into the end zone. why did that person fumble the ball? >> very vivid analysis. >> no. i mean, your 90-yard run is thrilling and someone else had a an apparatus everyone else thought was bullet-proof. what happened to him ear hen? >> as a youth i always admired deacon jones, defensive end then for the rams who passed away recently and the notion -- i like your analogy. that's what i envision myself doing if i pursued a career in football. >> stripping the ball? >> stripping the ball and running 90 yards.

>> you did strip the ball. >> i like that. i think -- i think the central reality is, look. this mayor -- i've said openly, i could tell you the things he's done well and continue and great on the environment. public health. smart about trying to diversify the economy. definitely things he's done well and not a state it's not a statt he has a certain hugh brus that grew with time. decreased. and as he pursued certainly the term limit change in '08 was the breakpoint, that ended some of the faith that people had in his independence and reformism and the things that they actually liked about him. and before that, here's a really, really wealthy guy but he means well and he's using it as a vehicle of independence in public policy. after that it seemed a lot more self-serving. and i think that affected the

lead up to the election and it framed the discussion about whether government was going to respond to people or respond to some other dynamic. >> two quick questions. bloomberg wants you to have a world class transition. what does that mean to you? >> i think he's been very fair on this point. the people haven't spoken, we have a lot to do. but his signals have been right. >> and as the former city councilman from brooklyn, are you moving to gracie mansion or are you going to stay in brooklyn? >> we don't entertain that kind of question until the people speak on november 5th. that's all i can say. >> thank you. >> enjoyed it. jc: lunch at that one restaurant we all like?

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three-time academy nominee and award winner debra winger what drowned out the call of hollywood stardom? >> i think what happened was the background music became louder and that's what i was listening to. my father passed, my mother passed. and i was listening. and i was watching my kids grow up and i wasn't watching them from afar. and it became compelling to me, this life. and it wasn't there wasn't room for acting, it was just i would get a script to read and it was so small, the story, compared to the story that i was getting to live. >> more conversation than interview. more personal than promotional. and it's not allen keys making sense. it's "up late". clay.

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