i read the statement from last night that you gave. it just doesn't make sense. i'm telling you now. i think you're a liar. >> i didn't do nothing. >> don't look at him, i think you're a liar. i'm going to prove it. >> i didn't do nothing. >> the most difficult part of

this case we knew we had going into it was the fact there was a written statement and there was a videotape. >> nobody wants to remember harming your own kid, man. if i harmed my own kid, i would repress that memory, too. >> the videotape had adrian demonstrating certain things involving his child. >> i walked around, boom, into a wall. i said -- >> to me, it probably was the most critical single piece of evidence in this trial. >> you can be thinking i don't know what to do. i can't take the pressure anymore. it's building, it's building. i ain't had a job since february. come here and set this baby down, because i can't do it. that's not intentional. >> i know the circumstances on which confessionals are obtained. >> start thinking about the kids crying in your ear. >> i've been doing this long enough to know there is a fairly high incident of false confessions. >> and let that aggression build

up and show how you threw matthew on the bed. >> to have the defendant throw a binder like it was his son, i knew that this was important evidence. >> show me how hard you threw him on that bed. >> where'd you grow up? >> from the south. >> georgia? >> yeah, from the south. >> we knew there was an injury to a child and we didn't know how it occurred. we also knew there was six other children. we didn't want anything to happen to them either. child protective decided they were going to take them children. >> part of our role was to stand by once they removed the six children from the home and we also wanted to talk to adrian about what would happen to matthew. >> we called our chief detectives. well, if you're going to talk to

him, i want you to bring him to the station and talk to him on video. it's got a desk in it, the camera is a tiny plastic bulb and there's a tiny antenna sticking out of the ceiling and you would not know it's there unless we told you it was there. when we started the interview, for a few minutes we forgot about the camera. >> doctor said it wasn't a fall -- >> i never said -- >> he didn't really seem like his son was in the hospital on the verge of dying. didn't really seem like he was very concerned about that. >> i believe the first person we spoke to of some authority was a dr. edge. i asked him what happened, and his words to me were that somebody murdered this child. >> dr. edge explained to us that this injury was a high impact injury, similar to a motor vehicle crashing at 60 miles per hour. >> he put his hand out, it's

like this, it's a hard hitting, quick stoppage. he said it doesn't happen from falling down. >> remember anything the last few days, last week, where anybody, anything could happen? you said the baby was sick, baby's been crying a lot. >> yeah, the baby was, like i said, it progressed over friday to saturday. i'm not lying to you guys. >> we started to think that adrian thomas had done something to this child. it was definitely our main focus. >> i don't think you would do it on purpose. i don't think you would. i don't think anybody would hurt a baby on purpose. >> no. >> who would hurt a baby on purpose? >> that's what i'm saying. >> this is an accident. >> when we're speaking to you, we're, of course, lying. we're going to say anything to get you to tell us the truth. that being we give you the outs. here's your out. could it have happened you dropped the baby and the head

hit the back of the crib? we were saying anybody could have done that. adrian said that kind of looks intentional. we were trying to explain to him, no, that wouldn't be intentional. that's what a father of six people could have done because he's exhausted. >> i've never dropped no baby. i would know if i dropped a baby. i would know if i dropped a baby. >> what about walk with a baby like this? >> never walked a baby in my arm like a football. >> who could have done this? i'm going to write down who could have done this, you tell me. >> we need to keep taking steps and figure out how this would happen in your care. >> i could have bumped him going into the crib, no lie. could be bumped him, but never out of anger. >> of course, not. >> i wasn't certain what he had told me to that point had caused the injury, and i wasn't certain

i was even going to get that information at that point. >> normally when we take a statement from somebody, we write the statements and then we'll have them read them over and sign the statement. we just want to get something on paper, so what that did was lock him into this is the way it could have happened. >> this is just a synopsis of what you told us could have happened to your son. >> none held water to what the doctor said at the medical center. >> i can't imagine what you must feel. >> i feel i can jump off a bridge. >> if you need to talk to someone, we can get someone for that point. >> at that point he did make the comment that he did want to hurt himself. >> what do you think you want to do tonight? >> you know, i want to speak to somebody, because i feel real bad. >> we're going to bring you up there. >> i feel bad, man, you know? if he dies, i feel bad, you know?

>> he slept approximately an hour and a half. here we have a man who is subject to this overwhelming, catastrophic stress, groggy without sleep, depressed, has a baby still, in his mind, in the hospital at death's door. >> he didn't seem surprised to see us when he came out. he appeared to be pretty much in the same condition that he was the night before when we first met him. >> i can't imagine how you felt. you haven't worked since february. seven kids, wife telling you why haven't you had a job yet, why haven't you had a job yet? you are so close to making this right. it's right here in the front of your head. you want to do the right thing.

what's holding you back, adrian? what's holding you back? are you afraid of getting in trouble for this? i'm a man of my word. i'm not a liar. i'm hoping i'm not going to arrest you tonight. all right? you admitted to some stuff tonight, all right, that if i wanted to arrest you on, i could. i don't want to arrest you on this. i want you to get help. >> all detectives have different strengths. some people, they want to interview someone, but an hour and a half into it they are done and their mind just isn't in the game anymore. i'm actually someone, i can interview someone for hours and hours and hours. >> you admitted you caused these injuries. adrian, did you or did you not cause the injuries? >> i did. >> you did cause the injuries. did you mean to cause the injuries? >> no. >> all right. when you dropped the baby in the crib, was it intentional? >> it was an accident. >> when you threw the baby on the bed, was it an accident? >> accident. >> you threw the baby on the bed

saturday night? >> yes. >> why didn't you tell me that? >> because man. >> i'm putting my ass on the line for you and you're lying to me, lying to me. >> you said it was intentional. >> here. hold that like you hold a baby. turn around, look at me. now here's the bed right here. start thinking about them kids crying all day and night in your ear, your mother-in-law nagging you and wife calling you a loser and let that aggression build up and show how you threw matthew on the bed. don't try to sugar coat it. show me how hard you threw him on that bed. that's how you did it? >> it was never intentional. >> all three times you did it just like that? >> yes. >> the police tactics were something we were concerned about.

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my solemn promise, and i haven't lied to you yet tonight, when we're done here, we are bringing you home. >> the police being dishonest like this, that was certainly something that was a concern in my mind, how is the jury going to view the confession? >> we're not going to arrest you tonight. that's not why we're here tonight. >> were they going to give less credit to adrian thomas after this? >> he's a good boy. he's gentle. he's easy. everyone at home knows that he's a good boy, but i know he didn't do what they say he did. >> adrian wrote a lengthy statement detailing what happened before and after the infant's death.

in it he admits to violently throwing the 4 month old into the crib. >> we dispute here and we dispute now that adrian thomas caused the death of that boy. >> after determining that this was a case where we needed to hire an expert in false confessions, the name of dr. ashi came to our attention. he had been involved in other cases in the state. >> i study interrogations in the u.s. i've studied them from miami, florida, to barrel, alaska. that's been my principle of work and has been for the last 25 years. this one is particularly ugly, but it's only the shade of ugliness that differentiates it from lots of others that i've seen. >> myself personally when i hear of an interrogation of a suspect, that brings me back to the old cop days of tv where someone has a white light over your head and asking you point blank questions that you better answer. >> police interrogation in this

country has been transformed over the last 80, 90 years. there was a time when the principle method police used to overcome resistance was the third degree and that literally meant beating a confession out of the suspect. the supreme court handed down cases making it quite clear that the tortuous practices that went into third degree had been and remained unacceptable in america and this ultimately forced police to find a new way to interrogate. >> through extended research and experience, john reid and associates -- >> we've been to interviews and interrogation schools and how to get confessions. i went to that one, it was a two-day course, but you still have to be able to talk to

people. me and adam work well together. we go with the flow, make things up as we go along. >> i did a ten-day, one-day seminar years back, you pick up pointers here and there, but to be honest with you, i don't plan ahead of time to what my approach is going to be. i just do it. >> slight fever. >> the heart of the reid method is to put somebody in a position in which they are given a choice between two alternatives. one is much worse than the other. so in developing that choice, they do what some people call minimizing. they use soft language, they describe what happened in the least offensive terms. they also will suggest that there's a reason for why this happened. >> when things happen in bars, they are not planned. what they are is they are spur of the moment, you know, somebody goes in, they have a couple too many cocktails, next

thing you know, somebody makes a wisecrack and, bang, something happens. >> somebody's going to look at this little 4 month old baby with a fracture in the back of the skull and look at you, he didn't tell you he did it on an accident, they are going to say you did it on purpose. >> why would i do that? >> the way in which this interrogation goes, creating a sense in the individual i don't have any power, they have all the power, is by the interrogator introducing what i call as evidence ploys. an evidence ploy is any statement, which if it were true, would link the person to the crime. >> there's a fracture on the back of his skull, okay, and that's not something that hap n happe happens -- it just doesn't happen without someone being involved and someone knowing that it happened, you follow me? >> i never -- >> however it happened, somebody

knows. >> tinterrogator will suggest te scenario of the crime and will also make it clear, if this is the way it happened, you can go home at the end of the day. >> if you tell us accidently you caused this injury last night or the night before, we're still going to drive you home tonight. >> that's the magic word, accident, and he keeps putting in, and it was an accident, and it was an accident, and it was an accident. >> do you think that if you accidently caused this injury, we're going to arrest you, yes or no? >> yes. >> we can't lie to you about something like that. if we lie to you, you get to use that against us. >> you know the difference of you walking and picking up a crying baby and throwing it on the ground and saying i'm frustrated, i got kids crying all day, i haven't worked in seven months, this baby won't stop crying. >> that sounds like a good court case, but i didn't do it. >> if you didn't do it, maybe

that's how it happened with your wife. did she tell you something about that? >> no. >> the next move is to say there are only two adults in the house when the child was injured. if it wasn't you, it was your wife. >> this accident was caused by either you or your wife or some adult. >> she says sometimes -- >> i never did that in my life. >> we'll do whatever we have to do to get him to tell us the truth. we'll tell him it happened to their brother, best friend, their own child did this, just to get the truth. >> who could have taken the baby and done this? who could have done it? >> i don't know. >> grabbed the baby by the shoulders, fractured the baby's skull. >> holding the baby on the kitchen counter and dropping it on the kitchen floor. >> or next to the kitchen table. >> if you didn't accidently harm your child, then your wife did.

all right? then your wife did. >> i tell you what, my wife is a good wife. i'm not going to lie to you. i don't believe my wife did that. i have no idea that my wife did that, you know what i'm saying? but if it comes down to it, i'll take the blame for it, because i didn't -- listen, i didn't do it, but if it come down to it, i'll take the rap for my wife so she won't go to jail. >> we explained to adrian if he didn't do it, his wife had done it. we were hoping to get a rise out of it. >> i'll take the fall for my wife. i have a good wife. >> you can't say i'm going to take the fall for my wife. >> i don't know how it happened. >> then you can't take the fall for your wife. >> but adrian can't tell them what happened, and they don't seem surprised by that.

they display nothing that suggests that they have any understanding that you can coerce a false confession from someone who is ignorant about the crime, but you can't get blood from a stone. >> i really believe my wife didn't do that. i know for a fact, because i didn't do it. what i'm saying is, maybe it could have happened in my care, possibly. >> that was when adrian finally came around a little bit and took some of the outs we had given him. maybe the baby did fall and bang his head. >> he was crying. after he stopped crying, i bumped his head putting him in the crib and at the same time he was crying again. >> hard enough to cause an injury? >> might have had. >> if you can get that person to say, well, i might have held him a little hard, because you're suggesting that and you're structuring that as a way out, you've now found a crack in the wall. >> we want to talk to you again tomorrow and see if we can jar

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this case had many holes in it. first of all, there is no skull fracture. a skeletal survey was done on the child's body. there's not one broken bone in this child's body. the child has no signs of any bruising. >> and you've got dr. edge running down the hall, this child has been murdered. this child has been murdered. is that science or is it zel y try, okay? >> i'm not sure the doctor said there is a skull fracture. he may have couched that it apers, and, in fact, it was determined there was no skull

fracture. that was somewhat troubling, because it gave ammunition to the defense to challenge the accuracy of the prosecution medical testimony. >> this is how i defend criminal cases, i try to figure out what really happened. i picked up the phone and i called dr. leesma, who was a neuropathology of eminent credentials. >> i guess i need to define what pathology is, it is the study of human disease. how it looks under the microscope, how it does its dirty business. i looked at the microscopic slide, look at this, there was obviously an infection present. i was curious to see what organisms could be found and that requires a special stain and that enabled me to say, yes, these upfected areas are

bacteria form and are extent and, therefore, could be life threatening. it's a cause of death right there. >> i did a little research and found out who was the man, the physician on pediatric infectious diseases, that's dr. jerome kline from harvard. boston university med, a world class expert on pediatric infectious diseases. >> there's no doubt in my mind that this child died because of overwhelming num caulk kl sepsis. sepsis is a clinical term that applies there is a systemic infection. the history that had been provided by the mother was that the child had been ill for a couple of days with vomiting, diarrhea, but on the morning of september 21st, the mom had observed the baby at 6:00 and 8:00, there appeared to be

respiratory distress and she called the emts. when the child was first seen at samaritan hospital in the differential diagnosis, sepsis was prominent, and the appropriate steps were taken. culture of blood was obtained, the child was started on appropriate intravenous antibiotics. when the child was transferred to albany medical center, the physician focus changed from infection to child abuse. unfortunately in matthew's case, he proceeded to deteriorate. he dropped his blood pressure with the very low white blood cell count of 1,000. decreased clotting mechanisms, failure to maintain stability of temperature, failure to maintain oxygen saturations, all reflections of overwhelming infection, sepsis and septic shock. in fact, the blood culture taken at samaritan hospital in the

early morning hours of september 21st was only identified after the child died and revealed num caulk kis. >> eureka. this is jerome kline, published 670 pieces on pediatric infectious diseases, he's the man. >> there isn't one word of sepsis in his autopsy report. >> i think those who observed the events of this unfortunate disease will bring their own bias to the facts, but the biology of the disease is based on factual information. so we have information about what the culture of the blood revealed, and it revealed a num caulk kis. we have information the bone marrow was suppressed and could only be suppressed by overwhelming sepsis. >> once the allegation of abuse or possibility of abuse comes

in, it kind of heights out everything else, and i think that happened in this case. it happened frequently. >> the doctors for whatever reason suspected that abuse was going on at this point, and matthew was sent for a c.t. scan. >> in looking at the c.t. images of this child's brain, there is a gap, an inch maybe, between the surface of the brain and the undersurface of the skull, and that is moderately black appearing there. that would indicate that that is more water than anything else. if you have a collection of blood like a stroke or a s subdural hemotome ma, it's going to be white for awhile. as it ages and is healed and processed, it becomes grayer and grayer and grayer, and it was those things one could see on the c.t. scans of this child. it indicates there are more chronic processes coming on,

probably many weeks, maybe even many months old. >> i can't say what happened. i wasn't there. i don't know how the older head injury got there. i don't believe anyone knows how the older head injury got there. >> what was the birth like, the circumstances of birth? okay, we look into the medical record, born early, one of twins. some difficulty surrounding the birth, bacterial infection in the mother, membranes broken early, a lot of forceps used to extract the children, the list goes on. meaning this poor kid is struggling. birth is hard enough anyway, let alone when you have all of these particular problems, which can start bleeding going in the brain that maybe doesn't show itself for several months, and i think that's exactly what happened in this child. >> starting with dr. edge, he essentially goes in there with a theory, a conclusion, okay,

based on nothing. communicated in very, very highly emotional terms to sergeant fountain, who communicates it to detective mason and we're off and running with nothing but a conclusion. and because adrian thomas adopts sergeant mason's scenario and throws a notebook on the floor. >> they should be ashamed of themselves. i'm sorry. ♪

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into the coast. now, back to the program. we live in a country that people involved in the criminal justice system who are charged with seeking and administering justice sometimes don't really seem to care very much about it. >> i have good news for you, remember yesterday i told you that he had a fracture in the back of his skull? >> yeah. >> guess what, that ain't true. he doesn't have a fracture on his skull. his skull is okay. >> i went back to albany medical center and spoke to dr. edge and took a deposition from him. and i was informed the original diagnosis of a skull fracture was not true. >> it's too bad the police didn't take a step back and look at the situation, see what really is going on before we rush to judgment about adrian. it's too bad that didn't take place.

>> this is messed up, man. this is messed up. >> say a prayer for matthew, all right? say a prayer. come here. lord, please help us. >> we have a man here who had never spent time in jail, no criminal history, who had been through a sort of series of tragic things in a short period of time. i guess the best way i can describe him is sort of a deer in headlights. >> call upon you to help us with a miracle in helping matthew get through the tough times. >> desperate measures to get a statement, they resort to so many offensive lies, telling him things like the doctors are pushing us for information. basically telling us anything he would do or say would save the baby's life when they already know this baby won't survive. >> these doctors are geniuses. do you want your son to be alive? >> yeah, man. >> all right.

you're going to help keep him alive? >> i knew there was no chance at saving matthew's life, but i didn't feel bad about telling adrian that. ultimately, it was my goal to get the truth out of him. >> did you shake him, is that what caused it? >> no. >> they are planting these seeds out here, hoping that something will catch with adrian and he'll bite on something. >> you have to find that memory right now. you have to find that memory. this is important for your son's life. >> they don't care about finding the truth. >> what kind of future are you going to have? >> i'm hours into the interview and at this point i still have no idea what caused the injury. >> hold on, let me find an ashtray. >> for me to turn into the bad guy and start yelling at him, it wasn't a smart thing for me to do at that point, so there came a point when another sergeant was next door watching the monitor. i said i want you to come into the office, i want you to yell

at him and call him a liar. that's what i told him. i went back in, started going through the motions of the interview. >> can i talk to you for a second? >> in here? >> it was exactly what i was looking for the sergeant to do. >> you look at him, i think you're a liar. you're going to prove it to me. >> i didn't do nothing to the baby. >> you took the baby and slammed his head. >> i couldn't have. >> the doctor said this injury was caused by a rapid acceleration and a sudden deceleration, which means just like that. >> i didn't do it. >> he thought the baby was in a car accident, that's how bad it was. >> i swear to god i didn't do that to my kid. >> you talk to him for awhile, all right? you need anything, give me a call. >> okay. >> i swear to god i'm not lying. that's what happened. >> after he walked out, i kind of turned it around and tried to make adrian feel bad for me, because he just made me look like a fool.

>> i'm embarrassed that you got another detective walking in here and telling me that you're lying to me and embarrassing me. >> i'm not. >> i just came up with that and thought that might be a good idea to get adrian to realize i am on the same level as him and he can trust me. >> all these things you told me really did happen, but you know what, it's a lot worse than you're making it out to be, a lot worse. >> they are just playing him. they are just trying to get a story from him that is even worse than the story that they've already gotten. because frankly, they don't know why this baby died. >> if you are suffering depression and your mind is not in a stable frame, all right, and you don't have to think i'm going to hurt my child. you can be thinking i don't know what to do, i can't take the pressure anymore. hey, come in here and set this baby down, because i can't do it. >> none of these demonstrations occurred at the admission of aideuation.

it was initiated and demonstrated by detective mason. >> don't mess around, show me how you threw the baby on the bed. adrian, you did it harder than that, adrian. >> he didn't like adrian's performance, so he had him do it again. do it harder. he was like a zombie. he knows he cannot leave the room unless he tells the cop what he wants to hear. once he does that, he can see his wife and see his son. >> start thinking about the kids crying all day and night in your ear, wife nagging you, mother-in-law, don't try to sugar coat it and make it like it wasn't that bad. show me how hard you threw him on that bed. that's how you did it? >> it was never intentional. >> once you found the buttons that you need to push, i'm going to arrest your wife, i'm going

to separate your children from you, i'm going to take care of you if you tell a story that satisfies me. now you've broken them. so you tell him i want you to stand up and reenact this, well they'll stand up and reenact it. why? because you now control them. >> sit back down. >> false confession is probably the second leading cause of miscarriages of justice, and a big part of that is because juries don't understand why an innocent person might confess. this kind of information can help a jury get to a just conclusion. when you have diabetes like i do,

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during the course of the trial, the defense calls a dr. ofshe to the stand. we did not get any prior notice, which is pretty customary that if you're going to call an expert like that, you're going to give some sort of notice, because it's such a contested area in new york state, the area of false confessions. >> it's very hard for someone to understand the idea that an innocent person might be gotten to give a false confession if they don't understand how interrogation works. and you can't expect somebody to understand how interrogation works just by watching an interrogation. >> the case was assigned to judge ceresia. the wild card was that judge ceresia was fairly recently appointed to the bench. the court ultimately decided that the defense had not convinced him that there should

be expert testimony on the issue of false confession. that was not something the jury needed expert assistance in determining, that they could do it on their own. >> being denied the right to call dr. ofshe, who by the way has testified half a dozen times in new york state, was a setback. on the other hand, we were still very confident based upon the medical evidence that we were going to win. it's, obviously, a setback. judge ceresia also said that there's not an accepted field of knowledge of psychological coercion producing false confessions. >> interrogation is a process that is specifically designed to develop an admission of guilt. we offer to the suspect psychological justification for the commission of the crime. >> and guess what, the object of that science is to get a confession without any real concern about whether they are true or not. >> we've got to make it easy on them. we can't say to them, what happened, why did you do it, tell me about it. that requires too much effort on their part. >> interrogation, when done

properly, is about getting someone to demonstrate that they have knowledge of how the crime really happened. they know details that are not told to them, so they are not contaminated, details that are not even necessarily known to the police. >> hey, come on in here and set this baby down, because i can't do it. that's not intentional. >> everything adrian thomas said in this case was fed to him by sergeant mason, everything. >> they were very cooperative with our office and also a very pivotal witness at the trial in terms of being able to lay out the family dynamics. >> the police would like you to believe there were these arguments between him and his wife, he was angry, would pick up only matthew, never malachai. all the kids are home, nobody sees anything. it's a very small apartment, 600 or 700 square feet. nobody hears anything.

his wife never testified she'd seen him be rough with matthew or malachai. i believe ms. hicks at the time of the trial was still attempting to have return to her custody all of her children, who had been removed from the home. she used to have any contact with him or assist in his defense, that could impact her ability to have her children returned. >> there was definitely a long period of time where she was just getting visitation with her children. i think at that point in time it was, you know, important to her that justice be carried out, but it was also extremely important to her that her children be returned home to her. >> thomas testified that he merely took the fall for his wife saying, quote, my wife was a good wife and i didn't want her to be arrested. he testified that his confession was a bold-faced lie and wanted the detectives' questioning to be over, he wanted to see his wife, he wanted to see his son. >> he showed true emotion in the video, where it was the opposite in the courtroom.

you know, he had his nose up in the air and he ignored all the evidence as they were being shown. >> adrian's appearance first in the videotape and then on the witness stand, it was like two different people. very vulnerable in the interrogation, on the witness stand, some of the jurors said he appeared arrogant. >> they had testified that he was looking for a job, and i'm sitting there and i'm a human resources manager, i'm constantly looking for people. there's jobs out there. on the stand he was saying that what he signed was not true, and it was true, because the way he acted during the actual video is -- was his real being. >> the whole videotape seemed to me entirely that the detectives were telling adrian what adrian did. >> yes, they told these little

lies, but i don't think it was anything -- they didn't put words in his mouth. >> i was very angry at the police and their technique that they used, the lying, misrepresenting certain things, just didn't seem right at that point. >> he could have continued to deny it. if you did not hurt that baby, i mean, you would go to your grave saying, no, i didn't. >> i think after time went on, adrian just finally gave in and said, yeah. i'm not going to say gave in that he was innocent of it, i think he just finally admitted after so long -- a prolonged time being interrogated, but if that's what it takes, and i guess they've done it for a long time, then i guess that's the way to do it. >> these are alternate jurors going home after sitting through weeks of the trial of adrian thomas. >> i was definitely leaning towards not guilty. >> how come?

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the defense table is farther from the jury than the prosecution table. i thought she said not guilty. she said it very softly. and then somebody said guilty. i said, my god, i don't believe it. >> adrian thomas' mother inconsolable as the verdict was read. the jury finding that her son's

actions were cause of his baby's death. perhaps it was the dramatics that convinced the jury. the defense crying foul. >> i think we had a bunch of wooden heads and stone hearts in that jury. it's as simple as that. >> there are several things you can say to someone who would say i would never confess falsely. one of the things you could say is, you don't know that. maybe you don't have any idea of what interrogation is really like and how you would behave. >> i wish we could have presented his testimony and let the jury decide whether dr. ofshe had to add to the case or not. we will never know how that might have impacted them. >> i think it would have been very insulting to us, because we saw the video. you could just tell he was guilty. >> they don't realize this could be my son, this could be my brother, this could be me. you want to convict someone on

impressions, hunches, emotions, then there's nothing a lawyer can do to stop you. none of these things are evidence. that's all i can say. >> you're not going to be 100%, but you've got to be close to that 100% to find him guilty, and i was close enough to that 100%. is there any little doubt? well, there's always that little bit of doubt, but it's not enough. it was not enough. we had to convict him. >> it's easy to be tricked. it's easy to sit down and talk with a police officer. if you're a person who don't commit crimes and you're an honest person, you can sit down and talk with them. what do you have to hide? nothing. when you're being bombarded hours, not talking 15, 20

minutes, we're talking about hours, with questions back to back, you know it's not the truth. i know it's not the truth, so i'm going to repeat what you're saying back to you. therefore, if you keep repeatedly telling me i'm not going to be arrested, i'm going home tonight over and over, i figure, hey, let's get this over with so i can go and go about my business and go see my son. i'm very, very angry. not just myself from repeating somebody else's mouth, but i'm mad at detective mason, i'm mad at fountain, i'm mad at the other officer that came in. i'm mad at those three, because they kept pressuring me to go in and lie. it's a traumatic experience. it's nothing that i ever experienced in my life.

why lie to do your job? that would be the question. why would you have to lie to do your job? no, i didn't kill my son. no, i didn't do those things that was stated, but, yes, i don't know what happened to my son. when i was sitting down with the police that night in the police station, that is the truth. that is the real truth.

the last gasp of ted cruz. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews. let me start with the strangeness of ted cruz. pounded with the news in the gallup his negatives have doubled, he now called the wall street journal poll invalid. say he said the news is not the news. the poll results are just what, quote, an awful lot of obama supporters have to say.