over the weekend talks between president obama and house republicans collapsed and now it seems like everyone is looking at two long-time veterans to broker a deal, senators harry reid and mitch mcconnell. for today, no big meetings to report. sunday, mcconnell and reid did briefly talk on the phone and aides said it was cordial but inconclusive. president obama also called democratic house leader nancy pelosi. while no one is panicking yet, it's not good. >> they haven't put us on suicide watch yet but they're concerned about us. >> we do have to start talking but we have to do that without being in the midst of a crisis moment and without jeopardizing our full faith and credit. >> he's got to play a more aggressive role. i'm not saying negotiating or whatever you want to call it, get people in a room, show this is serious. >> i don't see why the president is not accepting that, why he's not working with us. i think it's been very difficult to work with him. >> with the president, with senate democrats, with senate

republicans, there's a will. we now have to find a way. >> this morning mt. rushmore, the statue of liberty and the grand canyon all back open because states will front the money to keep tourism dollars coming in. and the world war ii memorial on the national mall is still technically closed but tea party protesters gathered there over the weekend. among them senator ted cruz and his mentor, former vice presidential candidate sarah palin. >> is this any way that a commander in chief would show his respect, his gratitude to our military? >> all right, let's bring in our company. amanda terkel, senior political reporter and politics managing editor for the huffington post and manu raju. manu, we'll start with you. where are we right now? friday we were talking about that glimmer of hope. that is glimmer gone? >> no, it's not gone, but today is absolutely critical.

mcconnell and reid, who are right now central in these talks, they are still discussing the spending levels and the length of the debt ceiling. those are the two major sticking points right now. democrats want to extend the debt ceiling as long as possible but there's talk of possibly being open to extending it into the spring, march/april time frame and democrats do not want to lock in lower spending levels after the across-the-board spending cuts known as sequestration take effect. republicans want those spending cuts locked in, the sequestration cuts. it's a difference of tens of billions of dollars in spending. how they reconcile that over the next day will be absolutely critical to determining whether the government reopens or whether we can avert default as early as thursday. >> you know, amanda, to that point, republicans blaming democrats saying they were close to a deal but democrats wanting to throw in getting rid of the sequester, here's what bob

corker said on "morning joe." take a listen. >> the house republican strategy that came from a few senate republicans was a strategy that took us to where we are. on the other hand over the last couple of days, let's face it, democrats have overreached by wanting to bust the spending caps that we have. >> amanda, are democrats now the ones who are overreaching, perhaps overconfident now? >> well, mitch mcconnell was essentially blaming harry reid saying, look, at some point you have to agree to something. but senator susan collins, senator lisa murkowski on the republican side and senator joe manchin on the democratic side as well as a few other democrats have been in talks about a potential deal. but a group of democrats who have been in these talks put out a statement after mitch mcconnell said that saying, look, we haven't agreed to anything. we don't support the susan collins proposal in its current form, as manu was talking about, making it seem like republicans, i think, were sort of overhyping

how close they were to a deal to try to pressure harry reid. but right now democrats are on offense. they have a lot of the momentum and republicans are starting to feel very, very nervous because they're seeing in the polls that the public is blaming them for the shutdown. >> now, susan collins' framework, and that's the way they are calling it at the moment, put out her own plan and more details and that is to fund the government through march, raise the debt ceiling through january, delay the medical device tax and this got dismissed pretty quickly, that last one. does the collins deal have legs? and even if the senate does hash out a deal, we've got john boehner in the house and he'll bring his conservative republicans along with him. >> yeah, remember, the house republicans didn't even like the collins plan so that just -- and that's probably the most that senate republicans could get out of any talks. the collins plan as it is is not going to fly with the senate democrats. elements of that plan could potentially get into a final deal. dick durbin, the number two senate democrat, said yesterday

the delay of the medical device tax, for instance, the verification of subsidies under obama care, those could get into a final deal but what can't is the length of the continuing resolution as well as the debt ceiling increase through the end of january, which is what collins is proposing. that was too short for democrats. they need something longer and they also will not agree to locking in the sequestration cuts past the next round of cuts, which begin january 15th. >> you know, amanda, alan simpson and erskine bowles have a new tv ad. take a look at this. >> for crying out loud, who isn't fed up with what's going on in washington? >> these politicians are playing games. they're jerking our country around from crisis to crisis. it's going to take some real political courage for folks to start working together and it's going to take a push from all of you out there. >> so some real frank language from both of them. as you saw there, amanda, are

people angry? at the end of the day if they are that angry, are they calling their representatives? >> yes. i think many people are much angrier than erskine bowles and alan simpson because they're sitting at home not getting paid while their bills are piling up and they do have to pay them. so, again, i think that right now congress, especially republicans are feeling pressure. polls show that the public is getting really upset. you're having people coming to washington on both sides. you're having the tea party here taking down barricades at the monument and throwing them in front of the white house. you're going to have veterans groups tomorrow coming to the world war ii memorial saying we have to reopen the entire federal government. so people are getting fed up, congress is feeling that. but right now democrats have the wind on their back and they need to stay unified and not give in an i think they will -- and sort of the narrative has been getting away from republicans because no longer are we talking about we're going to be repealing all of obama care and delaying the individual mandate. >> amanda, manu, stick around

for a second. i want to bring in bernie sanders, an independent from vermont. as you know very well, senator, we are three days away from a default. the two key people, the two people to watch right now are senators reid and mcconnell. give us a sense of the temperature here. can they work out a deal? and what might that look like, from what you know? >> well, i think we thought from the assumption that reid, as i understand it, was very upset because he made a major, major concession to john boehner. and boehner had said, look, if you give us the sequester level funding, which is really, really low, something that many of us had a very difficult time swallowing, boehner had said, okay, you'll get a clean, continuing resolution. we passed it, reluctantly. it goes over to the house and the house says, well, no, that's not enough. what you have to do is kill obama care. that was last week. well, that's not quite enough, that didn't work. now what you have to do, paul ryan says, well, you've got to

cut social security, medicare and medicaid, and if you do those things, maybe we will take the radical step, the major concession. we're going to reopen the united states government and pay our debts. and now where we are right now is the republicans say, well, you know, maybe we'll give you something, but we want to make it really short term. we'll open the government for a couple of months. we can go through this insanity again. maybe we'll pay our bills now but only for a little while. and i think reid and others are saying that's pretty crazy. we have already made a major concession. what we want from you right now is a short-term cr. we want decent funding for the budget so we don't cut medicaid, we don't cut social security, we don't cut head start, we don't cut nutrition programs. the middle class is disappearing, give them a break. second of all, we don't want to revisit in in a few weeks or a few months. >> senator, as they add in more details, more requirements, why

would democrats add to the acrimony and perhaps move the goal posts and start discussing sequester funding? >> sequester funding is -- we had made a concession for a short-term cr at a certain level. that was it. we made that concession. and now what we don't want to do is extend that for the entire year. that would be really unfair to the middle class and working families of this country. you're talking about massive cuts in every federal agency at a time when people back home are already struggling. that's not moving the goal posts. that's not moving the goal posts at all. i mean the issue that the american people, i think, understand is that if boehner -- the only point is boehner could end this thing tomorrow by allowing the u.s. house of representatives to have a vote. but if he continues to rely on his 30 or 40 extreme right wing members of congress, we're going to stay in a very serious situation.

>> ted cruz there in d.c. out at one of the national monuments. what do you think his role has been in all of this? >> i think he has taken the republican party down a very, very perilous path, and i'll tell you what i think the -- probably the end game will be about. as everybody knows, the republican party has long been supported by the chamber of commerce corporate america, wall street and so forth. i think that a lot of these guys understand fully that if we do not pay our bills and we have a major financial collapse, it will be disaster not only for this country but for the world. wall street and big business will suffer. i suspect right now they are telling john boehner, john, you're going to have to break from these extreme right wing people. and i think that will probably lead us to a reasonable solution. >> that is the question. senator bernie sanders, thank you for your time today. bring back amanda as well as

manu. amanda, i want to play a clip of peter king, who's just been on a tear going off really on ted cruz specifically. take a listen. >> we have to anticipate ted cruz is going to try to do this again. ted cruz and 30 or 40 people in the house. we have to start going after him by name. i've been doing it all along. i wish i had more company on it. a month from now after this is resolved, he's going to say republicans are on the edge of winning but they lost at the end and they caved in. this time it's going to work. >> so you heard senator bernie sanders saying, you know, that's what it's going to take for the speaker to do, to denounce here ted cruz. what's it going to take for others to join the criticism you saw as well from congressman king? >> well, john boehner has been getting pressure from some of the more moderate or traditionally pro business members of his party but a lot of it has been happening behind the scenes. congressman peter king is right, that he is one of the few republicans who has been calling out ted cruz by name, calling more people to join with him. and i think that more moderates do need to do that to start to

exert pressure on john boehner sort of the other way. you have the tea party members, the ted cruz allies speaking out. you need more of those other members saying, look, the republican party is in danger in 2014 if we keep doing this and not only that, the country and the economy are down a very, very dangerous path if ted cruz is allowed to continue to sort of dominate the discussion and the political strategy. >> i want to read something from nbc's "first read" here, manu. it says cruz and palin didn't help boehner and mcconnell. is ted cruz staying in the way of the deal. >> i think he's marginalized within the senate republican conference right now. most of those members actually do want to get to some sort of resolution. they see the polls, they know how bad this is, they want to get a way out. but the problem for the senate republicans is that no matter what they may agree to with harry reid, there's no guarantee what will happen in the house, that could end up blowing up any

sort of deal at the end of the deal. >> manu, is it an overreach pie the democrats right now, as some of the republicans are saying? >> i think it's certainly a risk for the democrats, particularly if they don't look like they're giving in at all. and that's kind of the -- what senator mcconnell was alluding to yesterday when he put out a statement attacking democratic leaders on this issue. but, still, democrats, there's the sense that republicans' backs are against the wall. they're not really willing to give them a whole lot and republicans have dropped virtually all of their demands that actually got into this fight to begin with, namely about obama care. >> manu raju, amanda terkel, thank you so much. >> thank you. got some breaking news out of london to tell you about. a 44-year-old man was arrested trying to enter buckingham palace with a knife. he's accused of trespassing on a protected site and possession of an offensive weapon. the queen was not in the palace at the time and no one was hurt. we'll keep you posted on any developments. [ male announcer ] with only minutes left before kickoff,

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if you think the government shutdown is hurting the economy, just wait until thursday. warnings from all sides this week about what will happen if washington misses its deadline to raise the debt ceiling. now, just the fear of a default on u.s. loans has investors running scared, checking the dow right now, we are down 73 and change although futures are looking at 100 or more even earlier. in an interview on "meet the press" christine leguard said the impact would be monumental. >> if there is that degree of disruption, that lack of certainty, that lack of truss in the u.s. signature, it would mean massive destruction the world over and we would be at risk of tipping yet again into recession. >> meanwhile, former president

jimmy carter, who saw a record five government shutdowns under his watch, is talking about the current mess, visiting new york for a post-hurricane humanitarian effort. president carter spoke with me about how this washington showdown could be far worse than anything he's witnessed. >> to default on america's debts would be a tragedy that would far exceed anything we've known anything financially in this country since the founding fathers created the constitution. and i don't believe that's going to happen. i think that john boehner is a very reasonable person, he's a very strong leader. and i think when the time comes, he's going to tell those few house members we are not going to let this country go in and not pay its legitimate debts. >> so if washington does not raise the debt ceiling by thursday, here's what the doomsday scenario looks like some way. another great recession or even depression. the u.s. government can't borrow money.

countries pull out trillions of investments in u.s. currency. the dollar becomes worthless. another scenario is less dramatic. with limited money, the treasury chooses what to pay first. the problem is treasury computers aren't programmed to do that. or scenario number three, because we'll still be taking in 70% of the dollars that we need, just wait until the coffers fill with enough and then fund one full day's payments. technically we defaulted before. as "the washington post" described once in 1979 due to a technical glitch, once in 1933 when fdr ended the gold standard, but those times are not today's times. since the '80s, the debt ceiling has been raised 40 times. reagan did it 17 times. the bushes 8 and 7 and clinton and obama four each. but my dollar amount the obama administration has seen the largest increases in debt. whose paul size responsible for that? well, the center on budget and

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weekend, some reports saying just six minutes. reid characterized the talks as substantive. >> i'm optimistic about the prospects for a positive conclusion of the issues before this country today. >> we're here to talk about the high-stakes exit strategy is david winston, senior adviser for speaker john boehner and jim kessler, a former senior schumer adviser. good morning to you both. david, starting with you, how are reid and mcconnell approaching this right now? are they timing their negotiations for a last-minute deal? >> well, the one thing that clearly almost always happens with these negotiations in terms of congress and congress and the president, given the amount of time they have, they tend to use up all of it. it's just sort of the nature of the beast. having said that, i think in this particular situation what has been more difficult is these negotiations just have started up and so the thing is they have to compress a lot of conversation into a short period of time in a situation where i think everyone would agree that

the animosity that exists here is pretty high. >> are they already there, you think, but just waiting to pull the trigger at the last minute then? >> i don't think that's clear at all. i would actually at this point given the way they're going back and forth, they're talking to each other, they sort of know each other's positions, but i don't think they're there yet by any stretch of the imagination. >> you think these differences are stubstantive. senator john mccain is calling on the white house to take a more active role. >> i'm very disappointed that the president of the united states has not played a more active role in this, as bill clinton did back in '95. i hope the president will become engaged. maybe we need to get joe biden out of the witness protection program. >> a little joke there. does vice president joe biden have a role here? as three of us know he played a pivotal role in the last debt ceiling showdown deal. >> i am sure he is involved behind the scenes. i think the right two people are negotiating this right now, harry reid and mitch mcconnell.

these are two senate veterans. we've taken it away from the rookies and the radicals who i think led everything astray in the house, and, you know, i think the next 48 hours are going to be super ugly on the outside but hopefully they're going to be making progress. i think the senate should easily be able to come to an agreement. the question is will it be able to get through the house. that's the $64,000 question on this one. >> that has not changed, right? david, to you. congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz on "morning joe" taking aim at the speaker. >> the speaker needs to stop caring more about staying in power and holding on to his leadership role than he does about leading and making sure that we can stop living crisis to crisis. >> so i guess the question here, david, how does he break from the extreme right? if that bipartisan deal does come over from the senate? >> well, a couple things. i'm sorry, but the way she phrased that is just so inappropriate. john boehner is an elected

leader by his conference. his job is to effectively represent the conference, the republican conference as well as representing the body as a whole of the part of the dynamic that he's got to figure out is what's the appropriate consensus given where that body is at at this point. one of the lines that he's always said is that the congress needs to be able to work its will. to a large degree that's what he's trying to manage. having said that, there's clearly disagreement in terms of within his conference and within the house in terms of the direction to go. obviously that makes it much more complicated in terms of the congress as a whole, including the senate. i think there's a long way to go here and i think one of the things that needs to also happen here is i understand there could be an agreement within the senate but if you don't make the speaker a part of those negotiations, you're just asking for trouble. >> because that hasn't changed necessarily. jim, go ahead. >> david, you said there's a long way to go. there's 72 hours to go. and then we hit a witching hour. the house really had its opportunity. they fumbled the ball over and over and over again. they were making demands that could never be met. i would just say at this point

whatever agreement is reached, it's got to get through the house because our country, we've just come out of a huge recession. we're poised better than any country to have economic success in the next five years. the only thing that could stop us is us here in washington. and not coming to an agreement because of obama care or something like that threatens the entire world economy and the u.s. economy and, you know, we've just got to get serious about this and get something through. >> that much everyone agrees on. thank you. the treasury department warns not raising the debt ceiling has the potential to become catastrophic. stocks could plunge and interest rates on credit cards and more gan gajs could skyrocket. jean chatzky, so much for watch. the boards are down almost 100 -- >> down about 70 at this point. and i think what you take away from that is that the market doesn't think this is going to

happen. the market really assumes that we are going to get a deal and we are not going to default. perhaps because we've been through this so many times before. >> now, what should the everyday investor do, though, as they watch this? >> most everyday investors, those focused on the long term, really want to be holding tight. we don't believe, at least i don't believe, that trying to time the market works. you get out but you don't know when to get back in and that can be really disastrous for your retirement. but if you have money that you need within the next five years, that's money that doesn't belong at risk, it doesn't belong in stocks, it didn't before this event and it won't after. >> let's talk about credit card interest rates, let's talk about our mortgages and those interest rates too. what happens if a default actually does happen as we look at this thursday? >> right. so if we get a default, which will not come this thursday, it will come after the fact. but if that should happen, faith in treasuries as the safest investment really is shaken.

prices on treasuries fall. >> it's the bedrock, isn't it? >> yeah, it is. not just for us but across the globe. prices on treasuries fall, yields skyrocket. those yields are your interest rates. so credit card interest rates go up, mortgage rates go up, car loan rates go up. >> post thursday you were making that note. is it like falling downstairs little by little by little by little or is something very sudden for us as consumers? >> no, it is little by little by little by little. some payments get pushed off, tax refunds get delayed, social security payments may get delayed bit by bit by bit chipping away at confidence, which is a really bad thing, bringing it back full circle for the markets. >> there's always jobs and housing, those two important pillars. when we look at the unemployment rate, 7.3%, might we see a serious downturn or a higher percentage rate? >> absolutely. if employers are not feeling as if they are being supported, then they won't hire people. it will take longer to get a job. people who are out of work

already will continue to suffer. this could truly bring us back into recession and the jobs numbers could get a lot worse. >> so as we looked at the imf head, christine lagarde was saying is/was on a recovery. were we on a recovery that's over or are we still on a recovery? >> no, i think if this is resolved, we are still recovering. this has not been a boisterous recovery by any stretch of the word, it's been a slow slog of a recovery. but should we be able to work this out, that should continue and i think that's what oour seeing from the markets today. >> jean, thanks so much. macy's is joining the growing list of retailers opening up on thanksgiving. macy's here, michelle, they call it christmas creep. pretty soon we'll be talking about it -- we're already talking about it, aren't we. >> on halloween. >> right. and i've already seen some advertisements. tell us about the jump start they're trying to get. >> for more than 150 years macy's has been closed on thanksgiving. not this year, though.

they're going to open up at 8:00 p.m. last year they actually opened up at midnight so technically on friday but you imagine some workers had to get there officially on thanksgiving. this speaks to the whole notion of pushing shopping through the holiday season backwards more and more towards november. and we're seeing it again. some employees have expressed frustration, they want to be with their family, but others love the overtime. remember, you get paid double on thanksgiving. >> i'd actually not get paid double and eat my turkey. talking about somebody who may eat his turkey on a little more privacy, mark zuckerberg on a house buying binge. >> he bought four neighbor's houses. they're going to live in them, they can lease them back but he wants to control who's getting in there. he doesn't want developers getting in there, he wants privacy and this is the cost. $7 million is what he spent on his home, another $30 to buy the surrounding properties. remember, the average price for a home is $1.7 million.

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2-year-old son. the toddler died after his mother's boyfriend allegedly beat him. peterson said he never considered not playing. >> it's tough, you know. it's a crazy situation, you know. and any time you lose a child, regardless of the circumstances or situation, it hurts, you know. i can't describe it. but, you know, i've got a good supporting cast around me and i'm doing good. >> strong man. fans held signs supporting peterson saying stay strong 28 and prayers for adrian. passer-byes thought it was a stunt but the danger was real for a florida woman now facing trespassing charged after found dangling on a bridge. that is her. the woman was apparently crossing the bridge when it started opening. dressed in all pink, it's not clear why he was on the bridge after participating in a breast cancer awareness walk earlier in the morning.

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an everyday mom is using the national stage to try to sway opinion on obama care. janine reed wrote an op-ed piece for "the washington post" titled obama care saved my family from financial ruin. it's a very personal piece about her son's irremovable brain tumor and the peace of mind that comes now with guaranteed health care. in that piece she wrote, quote, having lived in hospitals with mason for months, i have seen that bad things, accidents, freak illnesses happen to smart, cautious and otherwise undeserving people. so what is wrong with allowing us to purchase a financial safety net? what's so unamerican about that, end quote. writer and mother janine joins me live from san francisco. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> tell us a little bit about

your family's story, what you wrote and what your family is hoping to accomplish by sharing this story. >> well, my son, mason, was diagnosed with a brain tumor when he was 11. he had a massive hemorrhage when he was 13, which put him in a coma and left him in the hospital for six months, needing to learn to walk, talk, eat, do all the most basic things again. so basically our families had the experience of being incredibly vulnerable. >> because of limits? >> well, i would say because of limits and because of being human beings. you know, we are all so vulnerab vulnerable. and luckily we had a good policy. i do write in my piece about how important it was how we -- mason was in the hospital when those lifetime limits were taken away and how much that helped our family. i mean we very well could have

burst through those lifetime limits very easily. >> you do write about those lifetime limits, as you say on health coverage and denial because of pre-existing conditions. >> exactly and you also point to that under obama care your son and 17 million other kids with illnesses like that cannot be denied coverage. are you at all concerned about the fate of the program? if not now, then perhaps when president obama's successor does take office? >> absolutely. that's why i wrote the piece. that's why i came forward with our story. i feel like we can all disagree about politics, but once we get beneath that to the more human level and we're talking about real stories, about real sick kids, there's not much to disagree on that we do need a safety net and we do knees protection. families like mine just want to be able to purchase coverage with our own money. we're not asking for any handouts. >> i was looking at your twitter page and what you tweeted so far. you tweeted keeping an eye on the positive response and

support. a little thrown this morning by nasty tweets. what has the response been to your piece so far? >> well, it's been 99.9% positive. and this has been my experience since mason has been diagnosed. people are really kind and wonderful and compassionate and will do whatever they can to help us. and then there's a small percentage of people for whatever reason who say that this didn't actually happen, which kind of throws me. i wish it didn't happen, but it did. and who say -- there was one, i try not to look at the negative tweets and the negative comments in the "post" but people have been aggressively attacking and it is disturbing. but then again, i'm just trying to not give that a lot of energy. >> you move past it, stay focused. the best to you and your son, mason. thank you so much for stopping by. >> thank you. the shutdown is partly to blame for the slim raise coming to the 58 million americans on social security next year. the increase will be just about

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so what was your idea of fun when you were just 12 years old? how about attending a city council meeting in your town? that's how 12-year-old david williams spends some of his free time. not just showing up, but asking questions. there he is on the right-hand side. he challenges lawmakers on everything from education to the way they conduct themselves at meetings and even if they are paying attention to him. take a listen. >> due to the cuts of budgets in

the education department, how do you think that affects the students' mobility to learn adequately? and my last question is do you feel it is acceptable for city council members to be up and walking around while their constituents are addressing them? >> putting it straight to them. joining me from dallas is that young man you just saw on that piece of tape, 12-year-old david williams, and his mother. good morning to you both. david, i want to start with you. why did you decide to attend these meetings and address city council members? what kind of drove you to do it? >> it's something i just wanted to give a shot, take my shot at because i attended a previous meeting and, as i said, i saw them up walking, talking, playing games on their phones and ipads and things like that.

i thought it was disrespectful because it's like how when you hold a conversation with someone else, you want them to pay attention to you. >> yes, sir, and i'm paying attention to you. what do you want the city council to do? what do you want them to change? >> their, i would say, respect or just like how they put their meetings or whatever they have to do, kind of push you towards after the city council meeting. >> how do they react to you? i'm watching this video right now when you were asking the question. some of them laughed. some of them did start paying attention. how do they answer your questions normally? >> they normally don't. >> they don't answer? >> for some reason they're not allowed to respond to every question. >> so as you watch what's happening in washington, d.c., you may have heard about it, maybe your mom brought it up with the shutdown and all that, what's your message to those folks in washington, d.c., those

members of congress who can't get along? >> i just hope they can get something done quick because if i heard correctly earlier, they were saying something about the dollar bill is going to lose its worth. >> yeah, that's what they're saying all right. they are saying that. an amazing young man there to your right. have the two of you talked about him running for office one of these days, maybe when he's older, let's say 13 years old? >> well, not when he's 13, but he is very interested into international politics and that was one of the reasons as well when he attended the december city council meeting, then i wanted him to be able to have his voice so that he understands even though he's only 12, and at that time he was only 11, that even as a child, he still does have a voice that deserves to be heard, and i hope that other youth and students that see him

understand that although they may not be able to vote right now, they still can have a phenomenal voice in helping to make changes early on. >> so well said. civic engagement, you're saying, and showing here to us today, david williams, and shatara mathis, that it is never too early. thank you both and have a good morning. >> thank you, you as well. >> that wraps up this hour of "jansing & co." thomas roberts is up next. he is not 13 years old or 12. >> i wish. david is really smart and he's a little fashion icon. >> you like the tie? >> i love the bolo tie. there's my buddy, david. for anybody out there from texas that wants to send me a bolo tie, go ahead. >> there's going to be 20 coming in in the next hour. >> richard, thanks so much, i appreciate it. as an impasse as we talk about what's taking place in washington, d.c. a breakdown in the budget between senators reid and mcconnell as we are talking about bringing this nation much

closer to defaulting on our debt coming up on thursday, the 17th. we'll talk more about the showdown, plus why men on the hill may not be talking but the women senators are, including senator susan collins. what were the details of her deal and why is it being pushed back. also would more women in the conversation help to alleviate the pressure on the hill. and then obama care a success story. we're going to talk to kentucky's governor. so much praise has been heaped on that state as so many kentucky anz have had access to sign up. so why is that state doing so well? we'll ask the governor. that and much more in three minutes. peace of mind is important when you're running a business.

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congress is capable of rising to this occasion. here's where we are for those trying to keep track at home without getting a migraine. we are heading into week three of the government shutdown and this thursday is the next big crisis, the day we hit our heads on the debt ceiling and potentially send this country careening into default for the first time in our history. negotiations are now focused on senate leadership on both sides of the aisle. two men not known for their warm and fuzzy friendship, senators harry reid and mitch mcconnell are the last best hope. can they succeed so far where everybody else hasn't. >> all of us are talking about spending, which is where we should have been in the first place. and i do sense tremendous amounts of unity within senate republicans. >> so wall street does not seem to be sharing that optimism. stocks opened sharply lower this morning after a weekend that went nowhere in washington. >> the whole financial world is looking at us right now and we can governor ourselves. we've just got to put our country first. we came here for a