>> is the ted cruz fever breaking? by the start of this crisp autumn morning, we are feeling maybe a little tentative today a. tent five deal was reached at the 11th hour and avert default and end the shutdown. what's to start the man that started it to take us down the same path again. i'll explain my thought in a moment. also the women in the senate, did gender play a role in negotiations or is that merely how the senate and society are changing at large? there will also be a new senator heading to washington next month, only the fourth

african-american to be elected to that chamber ever. he has a busy and active agenda before he arrives. what's going to happen before he gets there? we will be looking inside his file of facts. if it's saturday here on "up," that means it's time for up against the clock. get ready to test your knowledge against news and pop culture. that's later. but, first the government had been closed 16 days. a default was a mere hours away wednesday night when the senate planned to avert and fund the government. president obama quickly signed it. he expressed his hope the opposition party had learned an important lesson. >> one of the things i said throughout this process is we got to get out of the habit of governing by crisis and my hope and expectation is everybody has learned that there is in reason why we can't work on the issues at hand, why we can't disagree

between the parties while still being agreeable and make sure that we're not inflicting harm on the american people when we do have disagreements. >> that hope, though, already being 'ut to the test because the deal that got us out of this mess is a temporary deal. it comes with two brand-new dead leans. one is january, and the other is february 7th. that's when the debt ceiling clock will start ticking again. so there is a reason reactions to the deal sealed wednesday were a lot more sen cal than celebratory t. role ingredients of the governing by crisis we lived through, obama is warning at are still very much in place. more than that, the man who more than anyone was responsible for this last episode of governing by crisis is already dropping hints that he be fined with another. >> i would do anything and i will continue to do anything i can to stop the train wreck that is obama care and, in particular

the tests that matters, john, is are we doing anything for all the feel are getting hurt from a baum care. >> really, if we want to ask if we will go through this three months from now. if we will flirt from rigid demands from the tea party right what we're asking is if ted cruz eroded the powers of the universe or is walking away unscathed or stronger. so first let's remember where cruz's power comes from in the first place, how he can encyst they verge on a toxic venture and how republicans felt they needed to listen to him t. cruz game is tactical and tribal. his goal is to become the undisputed leader of republican america. he's not trying to sell the right on a few set of issues for a different set of conservatism. his gain is to take issues where there is consensus within the republican world and to

stake-out the most extreme tack techal place possible. he will establish that as the test of loyalty to the conservative tribe. that's where the shutdown came from. every republican says it will kill jobs. it will wreck the economy, it will ruin freedom. well, what cuz did, though, to create a purity test for that consensus, republicans, he said, if you hate obama care as much as you said you do, why don't you joan me in shutting down the government to save america from it. in this era of tea party and they punish the squishes as ted cruz calls them, this era of republicans in congress were terrified of flunking the loyalty test. so they went along at least until the very last minute. for doing all of that, they got nothing subsubstantively. here's what else republicans got

the worst poll numbers for their party sense gallup and nbc news started asking the question in the first placements that's why in the wake of all this some are turning their guns on ted cruz. >> we have to anticipate ted cruz will try to do this again. ted cruz and 30 or 40 people in the house. we have to go after him by name. i have been doing it all along. i wish i had more company on it. >> the game that ted cruz is playing is not appealing to all voters, just voerts in the republican universe. most members of congress have a lot to fear from those in the republican universe to primary voters than general election voters. so even if their party's image is taking a big hit with all voters doesn't necessarily make it safe for them to defy cruz and cruzzism, especially when the voices that voters invoke in the universe listening to are voices like this. >> can you imagine in this last

fight if we would have had five or ten ted cruzs? can you imagine the different dynamic? if we had five or ten ted cruzs, we'd win a lot of debates. if we had 45 ted cruzs in the senate, we'd come close to winning every vote. >> so that's the question that hovers over american politics. there are a lot of leaders who clearly don't want to go through this again. will they stand up against ted cruz? can they and the up to ted cruz? >> joining me, are my panel. so brian, i'll start with you, because you work at salon, i used to work at salon. that's home court advantage there. sorry about that guys. so, it seems to me when you are looking at the role of ted cruz

in all of this and the role of ted cruz going forward. when you look at mitch mcconnell, the comments he made this week, or john boehner. they don't want to listen to him. in mcconnell's case, she a little more willing to speak out than before. when i listen to little baugh and mark levin, a conservative talk show last. they're still with ted cruz as much as ever. how much room do mcconnell and boehner have right now to stand up to cruz going forward? >> procedurally, tactically, the only way ted cruz can do is to cower and allow him. one thing mcconnell is doing is saying we will not do it. last time around he was saying there are a lot of views of how to proceed with the government. we will work those out amongst ourselves, that's where cruz was able to light a fire in the conservative movement in the republican party. this time he is not going to allow it. >> that means conservatives have to work with the government. they have to get rid of this

idea to limit the deadlines on the democrats. >> it seems it depends, though, it's coming from these outside voices. well the pressure applied on republicans from little baugh, from cruz, from the senate conservative funds, all these outside groups that have been so active in defining conservatives. >> brean and i spend our days talking to people in washington who leak ted cruz, republicans and democrats alike. that's not going to matter. he's going to iowa next friday. they like him. the new york times has a story of going back to texas, people glad, seaing the same thing rush little baugh said, saying we need 45 people leak him. that's the point of grand standing. it's not about the building you are in. it's about the beggar message. now, he was an unknown freshman, now everyone in america knows who he is. they might hate him. >> that isn't bad in politics when you are able to capitalize on that spark. i'm not saying he's going to when the republican caucus in 2016 or anything. that definitely is to take it

beyond that building. he will not be successful in that building. >> to that point. this was in politico on friday, talking about a meeting of republican senators this week t. president gets up every day and reads the newspaper and thanks god that ted cruz is in the united states senate. republicans told cruz at a closed door meeting they had this week. it gets to this poll, josh, that came out that shows ted cruz is standing with republicans who identify with the tea party republicans, republicans who don't identify with the tea party totally different story. it was in tea party america, ted cruz is a king right now. >> it's a festering disaster for the republican party. there is this idea that the only threat is from the right and that in the house the way the map is drawn so insulates them they don't need to worry about appealing to the center. that's why they have allowed ted cruz to drag them into this fight. the math isn't as protective as they think. if the republicans lose the

national house votes by four or five or six points, there is a mar jen they lose the house. we saw peter king talking about how the party stands up to ted cruz. he was one of two moderate republicans who broke the procedural vote on september 30th, which might have shot the shutdown thing in its tracks, if he had more moderate republicans with him. but there are a substantial number of moderates in the house from pennsylvania and new york who i think do have more to fear in a general election from the center than the right t. question is will those people stop ted cruz the next time around. in the same way the cruz allies have dragged the caucus around from the right from holding their votes from things leadership want to do. if people were to withhold their votes from things like threatening to shut down the governmentfuls obama care is defunded, they would be able to stop the cruz thing from being implemented. i think next time around they ought to think it's worth picking that fight. >> like peter king, not from new

york, from a district plus aably he can use t. question comes back to sort of leak when that fear of the primary dalg that josh is talking about, when that goes away or the perception of that fear goes away, then republicans would feel more preto stand up to ted cruz. my question, though, has anything changed that would make them feel less. >> maybe a little bit. i think one of the things this crisis has done is give people the belief that moderate politics gets things done. you can actually work to solve problems with moderate politics. however, i don't think that any of these centrists, these moderate republicans do have any of the support outside of that core group of people to beably make if deference. you know, and you were talking earlier about the poll with the poll amongst americans with respect to congress. the reality is that even if people don't leak congress right now, everybody loves their congressmen and, you know, so i don't think there's any real

mote vaegs for individual members of congress and maybe to some extent the senate as well to do anything differently. because they're winning elections that way. >> well, i think there is another thing that could, if mitch mcconnell successfully turns down the dial on little baugh and everyone else for republicans and press ahead with the government, work with democrats, don't do a shutdown. don't do this down to the wire thing, i think you could see the little baughs the conservative funds, these groups turning away from legislative strategizeing and primary fightling. you started to hear from chamber of commerce, business affiliated groups, they want to defend tea party challengers if they will keep the tea party opened and stop this debt limit, if they can actually turn those conservatives to fight on the pliemary train, it might ironically be better for them they sheet down the government again. >> so that first district in alabama, don't worry about it? >> to that point, that's where

the rubber meets the road. if the business community can speak up and force some of these changes. >> but the question in all that is leak if the business community can come of money, can come into sort of support the income are under siege, that's one thing. there is that issue of the grass roots energy, anyway. we have a democrat ec member of congress whose party may be benefiting from ted cruz's laydown. we will talk to him right after this. for teaching us that you can't create the future... by clinging to the past. and with that: you're history. instead of looking behind... delta is looking beyond. 80 thousand of us investing billions... in everything from the best experiences below... to the finest comforts above. we're not simply saluting history... we're making it.

. >> as the journalist theodore white put it, for those keeping track the american political rituals are this dinner and the republican sacrificing 2014 to ted cruz's ego. [ laughter ] . >> that was stephen colbert on thursday making light of the

electoral blow the republicans could suffer after ted cruz crusade to defund obama care. joining us from memphis, we have democratic congressman steve cohen. i'd start with that the polling is clear at least for now the long haul polling will change, maybe we will have forgotten this from now. right now the polling seems clear the damage that has been done for the republican party. when you look ahead to the immediate future, these next two months on the calendar, do you think things will play out differently in the next round of negotiation, when it comes to funding the government and the debt ceiling, do you think the government will have a different posture this time? >> you'd think they would, if their child puts their finger on a burner, they're not lickly to go to that burner again, i'm not sure if some of these people don't leak the heat. they revelled in it. they got a lot of energy out of it. i read where representative

flemming and i read where senator cruz and some others want to do it again. i think that the more seasoned people, miguel rogers, doc hastings and jimmy rodgers will assert themselves more and they've seen the damage done to the brand and the possibility they could lose congress to the democrats, which would be a wonderful thing, of course. i obviously do not have an opportunity to go within the conference, the republican, we call it a caucus, they call it a conference. but i know a lot of the members there, they're rabid, sophomore, literally, second term of corporation never worked in politics before, they think they are somehow like it's all talked in military terms. they think they're some kind of gorillas there to strike a blow for freedom. i think they may try to pull this off again, which john boehner is going to have to do is decide that he's not going to

be speaker in 2015 and work with the same crew that gave us the opening up of government. nancy pelosi's democratic caucus and give or take 80 reasonable republicans and pass some bills to avoid another cr problem and avoid the debt crisis, protect the country from these people, really, you got to think, we take an oath to support the country against all foreign and domestic. these are the domestic men e enemies. >> you sound very pessimistic i can safely say about the near term profits for anything to be difficult. you raise the possibility of the republicans losing the house. >> that would take a loss of 17 seats, a gain of 17 seats for your party. the history is not very good, though, when you go back to the civil war, you find the best gain for the white house party in the mid-term election is then.

so you got to double that in 2014. realistically, what does this translate into for your party next 84? >> well, they haven't been very optimistic in the past, even though nancy pelosi and talked about us when back the house. i read the coke report that 15 seats were democrat ec leaning now. now we need 17 and 15, you know, for the when them all a clean sweep. it's going to be difficult. but i think that these tea party republicans are so extreme they could force a lot of moderate republicans to support democrats even in those districts. i think there is a chance. there is a chance. these people are dangerous to the future of our country economically and socially. they're not with the idea of people being united. on the social issues, they divide us. it's a scary group. they're very limited in near cuss and they don't really -- they don't believe in multi-culturalism and the diversity that has made america great. a lot of what i think we have

seen is race. they have not accepted president obama and will not and president obama came in and brought a lot more african-americans with him to government and he brought women and gays and jews and other minorities and this is a threat to those people. >> all right. congressman. let's go to josh. >> you mentioned doc hastings, they have been around a long time. do you get the sense they are embarrassed for their party, they are alarmed going forward? are they going to do something different next time or throwing their hands up and saying there is not much we can do in january? >> i'm not sure, when i went to my car the other day, i saw doc and jimmy and hal all talking. it looked like three guys thinking, what has gone wrong? the sam you'll morris telegraph back in 1844. and i think they are embarrassed and they know they're in danger and the country is endangered.

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what john boehner's role played this week. we know he survived. there are two ways how he emerges from this one he strung things out as long as he could for weeks and weeks until literally the 11th hour.

he paid constant lip service, he was not able to broke ter bill and stave off the default, instead, he swallowed hard and put the bill on the there are, where his own party voted against it. this is not the first time he had to do this year t. question is every time he does it erodes his ability to do it the next time he needs to. does bohner emerge from this again? or because bohner strung things out so long, because he catered so much to the tea party base, did he buy himself credibility with the hard core right? do they look at him to say he can fight this in the future? does he emerge with more deals in the future, joining us, liz winstead, we'll start with you, what is your take? we have these dead leans coming up in the next few months. do you think john bohner bought himself as much credibility with the right that he could have more of a role? >> i sort of look at it, as

though have i department with somebody who is elderly. they go to the hospital and beat pneumonia. the next time they go back in, it's a little bit harder to boat that pneumonia. i look at bohner sort of like that, where it's okay, he extended a lot of energy to get better. each time he does, he diminishes his power and strength to be able do it. >> i'll set this up, playing some sound here. we had a bunch of the most conservative republicans in the house were asked after the deal passed on wednesday, were asked do you think beaner is a traitor? do you want to overthrow him? here were their responses. >> absolutely no talk of anything along those leans. no talk at all. >> i have actually been really proud of speaker boehner the last two-and-a-half weeks. i don't think he should by a shamed of anything he has done. i'm more upset with my republican conference. >> the speaker got a standing

ovation. >> so some parades right then. balance that with jonathan strom reporter with the conservative national review, listening to that said from conversations last night i would take all the praise from bohner from the republicans with a grain of salt undercurrents of unrest. how do you read bohner right now? >> i think there are a lot of things, they offer him an easier time next time around. they're not angry at bohner, it was good he not their fight for them. some of them, you didn't play this clip, trey dowdy said, we did this. we got nothing for it. he supported it. the rest of the kwumps, he can point for the the bodies on the battlefield, we got massacred. we will not do that again. the procedural thing. september 30th, the night of the shutdown, he went to about 11:00 p.m. he was at a crossroads, he could have picked, we'll fund the government, go home or shut down the government. he bikd the shutdown route. he could still take this to the

wire and make the turn and not shut down the government. he can still appear to be fighting the tea party fight until december or january 15th at midnight and for any restive tea partiers to find he is willing to fight up to the deadline but not cross it anymore. >> that's the question, what does the tea party want him fighting for? there is sort of a disconnect, at least as i see it, where bohner and mcconnell, based on the comments mcconnell made, he never thought the defunding obama care was something they could pull off this fall. the consensus, the republicans on capitol hill need a truth serum. let's play it. this is mark levin, conservative radio host slamming john bohner because he failed to get rid of obama care at this. >> all this crap about the law of the land t. law of the land is the constitution. john bohner was never going to fight hard on obama care.

that's why you heard throughout much of the conservative media, almost like a bunch of parrots, the same thing:we should not fight obama care. >> i mean, are they still expecting, does the conservative base, josh, still expecting the big fight over obama care? do they expect that again? much of them. what pressure boehner will come under this conference, it shifts from day to day, back in the 2012 election, there was this period of reflection, they thought, we thought we were going to win the polls were skewed, they had the rude awakening, you had the rnc autopsy report. republicans spent months wonder figure they went wrong. they go back to the districts and town hall meetings. all that awareness seems to go away. i think as representative cohen said, they got burned this time. they sort of recognize right now they made a mistake. but i don't know how it's going to develop over the next three

months, what the appetite will be for in january. >> that will determine boehner's ability to resist the inclinations of his caucus. >> i would say the bottom line is banary leader or a puppet? i think it's the latter. the president negotiated with boehner in the past for a number of different budget deals. his party, his conference shut him down. so i can't imagine that they're going to take him out because they are better with him there because i think they can manipulate him. so, to me, that's the ultimate question. but i do agree there is an undercurrent that whatever it is that the fight is really nort. they got nothing out of it. i don't see a good alternative. so we could be a better, safer energy company. .a

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fever, i do think about something different with this point. so you had your tea party group of people who got convinced and the conservatives got conventioned the shutdown strategy might work. some might be chasing. but throughout the whole period since the election, you have people like paul ryan saying when we get to that next debt limit, when we get out there in september, october, that's when we will get president obama to the table to negotiate. so we have to continue to make demand, whether about obama care or the budget, come to him with relief. with an offer. he'll come to the table and start negotiating. i think paul ryan thinks that is not true anymore. so that if you have the 30 or 40 people who think if they would have stayed with the shutdown, have them off the rest of the republican party knows, they're not getting anything out of obama care or nothing for free just for funding the government,

just for raising the debt limit. so that will sort of reset how they go about negotiations. they'll negotiate the sequester. they'll negotiate in this budget conference, they're not going to try to bug the president. >> i think water going to be interesting as the president pivots and moves to negotiation, how do boehner do the negotiation you are talking about. i realize how mortal they are. maybe they don't realize that. if they're thinking of the future of the party, this is something they need to be negotiating for the future of their party. >> look. i would say to all of your points, i don't know how we can even predict this because they are so wildly unpredictable. when you see these people saying boin boehner is useless, he was never going to stand for obama care. you have people saying we gave him a standing ovation. who are you? they, themselves, haven't been

thorough and consistent in their own believes. >> they're so enconsist even republican leadership can't figure out what republican leadership is going to do. they came out with proposals, they keep having to pull nem them from the floor, including how this ended. they had another salvo on which thing to damage obama care to reopen the government. i think boehner thought he could get 118 votes. if john bohner can't predict let alone lead them. how can anyone on the outside -- >> mitch mcconnell in an interview with the national review board, they have been getting a lot of play. mitch mcconnell interviewed costa, he said, when did you think it was finally ending? >> mcconnell said i can tell you we would end up here, we had a lot of conversations, a lot

can't succeed, 54 is more than for example. you add in the president, we knew it had no success. mcconnell never let on publicly from july on this is what he believed. we always talk about how mcconnell has been double bind, he is running for re-election. he's always had trouble running for re-election in kentucky. he has this tea party primary challenge next year. in listening to him speak out, it was almost like a calculation the scale may have shifted here. maybe it's just with mcconnell. republicans have been so much more in the primary challenge in the general election. now he sees more than the primary. >> i think mcconsell more adetroit than the senate. remember, the senate passed a clean cr. you can imagine him crossing his fingers in the senate, please don't screw this up. he's in the majority. if he's not will be to hive off the tea party and matter on the democrats, this will happen over and over again.

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>> live from 1230ida in rockefeller usa. up against the clock, from new york city, the bronze bomber, basil michael, jr. from minneapolis, minnesota, st. paul's partner in the buddy system. liz winstead. our returning champion from wetlands, california, whose two-day winnings total $11 in cash an a pre-homemade ice cream maker. brian and now the host of up against the clock, it's steve kornacki. >> thank you, bill walsh. thank you contestants. thank you for everybody tuneing in at home for another dramatic high stakes showdown here on up against the clock. we are joined by liz and basil, two new challengesers, well xom

back to our returning champion brian who has already won twice and today he will go for the triple crown. everyone is anxious to get started. before we do, we give you a quick refresher, how this all works. this was a rapid fire quiz. three rounds, each is 100 seconds along, in the first round they are worth 100 points, in the second, they're worth 200. in the third round, they will be 300 points, the ph.d. round. don't forget, there are a few instant bonuses scattered throughout, these are follow-up questions, no chance on one single question. contestants, remember, you will be penalized for encorrect answers. as always, pleads, no outbursts, our contestants deserve and demand absolute concentration on up against the clock. alt also for an update, we are working on a scoreboard, our ace

producer, and with that, i will ask you, contestants, are you ready to play? >> ready. >> sound ready to me. we'll put 100 second on the clock, for 100 points, i'm just an empty soloist vessel laments this former congressmen with famously destructive tendencies. >> anthony weiner. >> correct. 100 points for basil. the iowa republican party will welcome as the key note speaker at its main annual fundraiser next friday, which senator who featured prominently in a shutdown fight. ryan. >> ted cruz. >> ted cruz it is. tied for the lead, 100 point question, this democratic congressman who served in the house from 1965 to 1995 and led the chamber from 19 -- basil. >> tom foley. >> passed away friday after months in hospicecare at the age of 84. >> that is correct. an eninstant bonus question.

foley served as speaker of the house, who was the he succeeded by as speaker? >> newt gingrich. >> newt gingrich is correct. another 100 points for basil. next question, it was announced carrie washington will host "saturday night live." washington stars in what fiction? >> scandal. >> 100 points for liz winstead. >> 44 billion, 34 billion or 24 billion? liz. >> 24 billion. >> 24 billion according to standard and mores, how much did the government lose in the shutdown. correct. 100 point question. in her first campaign since leaving the obama administration, hillary clinton will make an appearance supporting what democratic -- basil. time. ryan. >> terry mccallive, the democratic gubernatorial candidate. the end of round one. we have a three-way tie.

200 for brian, 200 for liz, 200 for basil. sorry, basil has 300. you are in the lead. that's why we need the scoreboards. 200 point round, 100 second on the clock. hand on buzzers, after it urged republican members to vote against the deal to reopen the government, this conservative think tank. liz. >> harry jackson. >> yes, we will accept that. headed by a former senator who was publicly criticized by john mccain. 200 point question the political relationship between president ronald reagan and this -- who rang? the light -- judges, brian. >> tip o'neal. >> tip o'neal, yes, chron called, good intuition there. citing political brinksmanship, which foreign government called for a quote deamericanized world this week? brian.

>> north korea. >> encorrect. liz or basil, either of you want this for 200 point, a deamericanized world by a state media of what country? basil. >> chosen. >> correct. 200 points. next question, the club for growth in the senate conservative fun, two key pressure groups on the right announced thursday they are supporting the newly announced primary challenger, liz. >> martin luther king jr. connell. >> encorrect. newly announced to what long-serving mississippi republican senator. >> babcock ran, it is, this is an instant bonus question, brian, 200 additional points only you can answer this, cochran was first elected to congress 1972, the same year which other well-known mississippi republican first one a congressional seat? no penalty for guessing him time. the correct answer trent lott.

that's the end of the 200 point round. the score basil 500. ryan 400. liz 200 t. high score -- this is an offensive game and anything could happen as we go to the 300 point round t. game will be decided here. i'm just reshuffling the cards, please bear with me. i am now ready for the 300 point round. we will pick a winner, crown a championship here him time on the clock, on friday, president obama nominated this former top -- brian. >> jay johnson. >> jay johnson is the new nominee for the department of homeland security. correct. an instant bonus question. johnson will replace janell napolitano who before becoming head of what office. a dramatic turn. d.c. area congress woman donna edwards co-sponsored legislation this week that would strip the trademark from this controversially named

organizati organization. time. a little late. washington redskins. 300 point question question. name a finalist this week. jill la more's book of ages, sister of which declaration of independent seener and favorite philadelphia sun. brian. >> ben frank len. >> 300 more points for brean. which governor signed lenls laegs to allow non-physician practitioners to perform procedures. this state became the only in the nation this week to expand abortion access. liz. >> california. >> california is correct. 30 seconds left t. house conference committee is charged with drafting a budget as a part to reopen the government led by paul ryan and which democratic senator? brian, patty murray. correct. billing herself as a mom in tennis shoes, patty murray won what brake through year for female candidates? time. the correct answer, 1992.

in the new movie the fifth estate which opposite this weekend, wiki leaks founder. >> cumberbatch. >> right. 300 points for basil. brian 1r 600. a record shattering 1,600 points. have you survived, you are the returning champion. you have already won. brean boiler, you are eligible for the prize package. tell him what he's won. >> as our champion, will you have your name printed in exquisite sharpee on a coveted 80 up against the clock cup. you will be able show it to family and friends for one week and receive an appearance this week on msnbc "the seekle" airing weekdays, 3:00 to 4:00 p.m. eastern time. you get to play in our jackpot bonus round for today's grand prize, a $50 gift certificate to little pony the most you a thentic eating and drinking

experience in new york city's his tore ec east village. while you are there get a tattoo or a piercing. back to you, steve. [ music playing ] >> right. brean, some exciting prizes there. we have unfinished business. this is your jackpot question for that $50 gift certificate. it is this, with many favorites, such as raised bbq from he thats and bone na chas, it was revealed this was a secret basement strategy session between ted cruz and other house republicans. >> tortilla coast. >> correct. for the first time ever, we have a jackpot prize winner. crawls, you have won the $50 gift certificate. congratulations, dramatic victory. enjoy i. enjoy the pierogies or the borst. you leave with our high scorers, you could be el jebel for the tournament of champions. you have the leaderboard.

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much as $24 billion of the gdp. excuse me, while it may seem passing a bill at the last minute stavd off consequences there, procrastination always comes at a cost. >> we know that just the threat of default of america not paying all the bills that we owe on time increased our borrowing costs, which adds to our deficit. at a moment when our economic recovery demands more jobs, more momentum, we got yet another self inflicted crisis that set our economy back. >> tuesday the ratings agency fixed threatened to lower the u.s. credit rating because of the brinksmanship over the debt ceiling. the question is what next? the government funded through january 15th. the debt ceiling dead loin less than four months away, what further damage could be done, during the holiday season,

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>> there are some amazing streak, dimaggio's 68th history. the ucla men's basketball team in the '70s the 90 straight game the university of connecticut, women's team reeled off a few years ago. the world of politics has had its share of impressive streak. one is in grave danger. we take you to the commonwealth of virginia where for nine straight election, all you need to know was who was in the white house. the rule in virginia is simple. the republican as president t. democrat of the governor's race. part of it doesn't control the white house wins the governorship. it's gotten to the point it isn't a statistical kwempblth you have to go back to 1973. it's when a republican named mill gogland. the virginia governor's race may

be melting away before our eyes. the election is two days from tuesday. terry mccauliffe has opened a solid and steady lead over his opponent ken cuccinelli. 46 to 38% on a poll out thursday. one stat jumps out. a gigantic gender gap. with men cuccinelli is up 4 points. among women, though, mccauliffe is wipeing him out. 52 to 32%. we have been talking about virginia's evolution to a purple state. one of the last two swing states in america. are we watching it make the next leap from purple to blue. joining us is governor wilder in richmond. thanks for your time. the poll numbers we just showed jumped out at me, also, there was an article at national journal who was saying if you look at the campaign terry mccauliffe is running, this is a different campaign in virginia.

he's not worried about being seen as too liberal. he is actually proudly running to the left of cuccinelli on cultural issues. it seems to be working. do you think, are we watching the political culture of virginia change in this election? >> steve, it's always good to be with you. i agree with you to the extent that it has changed. i think ron bronstein is absolutely right. one of the things that impressed me about terry mccauliffe and quite frankly i said i endorsed this candidacy. is because of the very fact he is not saying, look, i'm afraid to say what i believe. when someone asked him at one of the debates, well you had a point with the nra. he said, fine, i don't have any problem with that. i still believe we need to have some legitimacy relative to this pro live iraqis of guns and to the extent that he has made a case for women and i say another

one of the reasons i endorse this candidacy the women of virginia along with massive african-american tenor were responsible for my being elected. you can't don't that. many women left their republican husbands and said i'm voting for wilder notwithstanding because he emphasizes with the needs of women. >> that is what mccauliffe likewise is following through with. unfortunately, for cuccinelli, ken cuccinelli, he has not given a fathom of opportunity or hope for women to believe that there is some reason for them to support his candidacy. >> if you are absolutely right. >> the other issue hovering over this, if mccauliffe goes on to when this election, one thing the national press would interpret from this is the shutdown, itself. sort of the knows doiv the republican party's image took in the last month. how much do you think virginia is home to federal employees furloughed, how much down the shutdown has to do with

mccauliffe's position right now? >> big, big deal. it relates to people blaming the republican party. whether it's true or number perception is three-fourths of everything. most people believe republicans were a part, a major part of that shutdown. it has hurt cuccinelli tremendously. back in may, people were talking about a tight race. you know that, you did that even on this show. a tight race in the virginia governor's race. lock what has happened now. now, my thing as far as what the real problems are in terms of what has happened in the last several weeks or months as it relates to what's going on in washington, there has been a huge battle, a billing wall, the people lost and washington won. but the unfortunate thing for the republicans, they got the major fault fixed to them. unless they do something, not just in virginia, unless the republican party understands you

can't deal with any of those. you can't deal with the friendgees. you can't deal with people who want to stay in the past. unless they understand that you've got to build and go forward, they're going to continue to suffer coasts in the polls. >> nice to see you. >> always good. >> this race was a 16-point gender gap. so does this suggest to you that negative advertising works? because terry mccauliffe went up two points and ken cuccinelli went down two.. this poll was taken six months ago. also curious, democrats have not won the attorney general's race in virginia in a very long time since you were governor. do you think that terry mccauliffe possibly winning the could translate to the democrats finally picking up that office? >> you are right on both counts. first of all, i think the negative campaign unfortunately as everyone swears, we hated. we all leak it, take it away. it worked. in many instances and it's

working here. the unfortunate thing is many people are voting for terry mccauliffe because he is not cuccinelli. and i was so amazed, amused, rather, prior to this show, when cuccinelli's opponent was trying to be announced, people were calling him everything in the world, but it does work. and the other thing is that i do think that mccauliffe's being at the top of the ticket, getting the strength that i see developing might skooep sweep and carry forth so much so that the lt. gov.'s race i think is pretty much already lost. but i do think it could very easily propel the victory for the democratic candidate for leiutenant, for attorney general and i think are you absolutely right on that point as well. >> governor basil, it's michael here. in the past, around the 2012 election, you had been a little

critical of the president, constructively, though, i may add. you have drawn some. >> i thank you for. i joined some ire from progressives and some liberals. in the last couple of weeks, has the president shown you something in the wake of the shutdown? >> well, yes. to the extent that he has stood his ground, he has said that he is not going to just capitulate for the purposes of appearing to negotiate and, yet, you and i know that winning the with thele -- battle is one thing, winning the war is another. there is a great lot of things for the president to do. i hope mind understand for the next several weeks, we need to sit down and negotiate and work something out so that we don't have to go through this over and over again. because the people lose. the shutdowns hurt the public. it hurts the people. further shutdowns will further

hurt the public and hurt the people. we can't afford that. the president i think has shown he has the leadership of the party the leadership of the nation at this point as it relates to what would be best. he needs then now to go further and show that it has worked to the extent that the people benefit. >> and we are running low on time here, but we should just at least administration the clintons. the other big name in democratic national politic, hillary clinton coming into the campaign. bill clinton, there are reports bill clinton's good friend terry mccauliffe will be in sometime before the general election. i remember governor in 1994 where you made peace with chuck robb, bill clinton came down and sealed that down the stretch in virginia. governor weiler. thank you for joining us. i appreciate the time. >> it's good to be with you, all you goes. >> there was a point in yesterday's news media the producers on my show were trying to get me to say hello ladies, there is an actual news reason

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politics really belies party labels in my opinion. we're not debateing abortion or the death penalty. we are dealing with real, practical problems. when you face real problems, you have to find out what works. i draw things from both sides of the aisle. i i have views tro ditionally conservative and views liberal or democratic. i label myself democratic. i'm proud of the democratic party. at the same time a lot of my supporters and people i work with are people conservative, libertarians. >> this isn't 2000. this is the tea party era. is it possible to be a democrat in washington today and have conservative allies? cory booker's rhetoric in the polarized obama era. that's next. ask me what it's like

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they limit their public appearances, they stop talking to the media and go underground. they know doing nothing is safer than saying something that might come out wrong and cause a big public controversy and muck up what would otherwise be a slam dunk when. it's not the most inspiring strategy. it can be a smart one. so we can now welcome back to full public view the latest graduate, cory booker, the new york mayor who won special election wednesday. he will be sworn into the senate any day now. he is a ubiquetous figure before this race and practically dropped out of sight before it. we will be back on national television and bipartisan. >> it's eerily familiar to what people said to me now. it was said 15 years ago in newark, what can you do? how can you make a difference? the problems are too big.

yet, we join a lot of folks, democrats, republican, finance years and unions, activists of all types. we made a lot of progress in our city. >> a day later he said he would begin personally marrying same sex couples at 12:01 a.m. this monday. that's when it becomes legal in new jersey. at least for the moment while the state supreme court reviews it and chris christie fights i. clearly, booker is happy to be in the limelight. he is happy to enter ale polarized hyperworld of the capitol. we will find out how washington will change cory booker. that's the thing we played cory booker on c-subpoena 12 years ago, even on "morning joe" this week. he remind me in terms of that bipartisan spirit of how barak barak was campaigning before he became president and dealt with this reflexive obstruction.

i think it has probably changed barak obama's philosophy of governing. i wonder how it will change booker. >> barak obama talks in his book how much he likes dick lugger in his best friend. >> cory booker, you ask him on the news hour, what's the model of the senator you want to be. he talks about elizabeth warren. he is out there talking about gay marriages. he wants to stake-out a progressive name for himself. he is not signing away from that label. even though he doesn't want a partisan label. it will be interesting to watch if he pushes that progressive side of the senate. then the other thing here there is a huge generational shift. there are a handful of members who are in their early 40s. he is now one of them. you see the senate actually change. >> that could change where policy goes one day. >> at least in the relative recent past, he didn't sound like elizabeth warren. he was on "meet the press" about a year-and-a-half in the 2012

campaign. the obama campaign was making private equity. cory booker among democrats got along with this. >> this kind of stuff is knaussiating to me on both sides. it's knaussiateing to the american public. enough is enough. stop attacking private equity, stop attacking jeremiah wright. the stuff has got to stop. >> this is what i'm sort of wondering ability, that's the cory booker who was very successful in state government new jersey politic there she sort of applying that to the national stage an realizing it doesn't work. democrats were furious at him for. that has he changed in a way he won't be saying things like that again. >> i think the reason people got so angry about thatened i got so angry is equating the personal destruction jeremiah wright stuff with taking on private equity are two different things. private equity did a lot of horrible things to a lot of people.

jeremiah wright was being pegged with barak obama, so i think that was just a bad chairson and that's why to me he got so much crap for it. >> it showcases sort of his instinct, the instinct that served him so well and made him a national figure, give some kind of acknowledgment to the other side, dabble in equivalency, that sort of thing, democrats are not interested in hearing that at all this day and age. >> neither is the senate the most exclusive club in america. he's not the executive anymore. he won't be able bring facebook money for example to the pet projects that he wants. he will have to, you talk about elizabeth warren, it started in hillary clinton's office when she was in the senate. she focused a lot on policy, to figure out how to work with her fellow members on both sides of the aisle. i think the other members of the senate appreciated her taking that tone and tactic and he's

got to do something very similar. it's going to be difficult because he wants to be seen as a progressive and the democrats nationally are going to have him all over the country recruiting and campaigning for candidates. so it's going to be a really interesting lean he's got to walk. >> how do you think he'll be greeted in the clubbing world, how do you think he will be groated and what do you think he will be able do will? >> i think he will get along great. it won't be a tough fit for him. i think he is probably, if he does have national ambitions, he will use his seat, sort of like what you were saying ability how his actions and his statements with respect to finance and wall street don't really mesh with his, you know, his applauding elizabeth warren. and i think leak he's sort of like a 2012 version of obama where he has the, you know, he has those demerits. he has a pretty good record on social issue, on poverty. you know, the president gets a

lot of knocks for being too close to finance. he has guarded medicaid, food stamps, you know, he's like bracketed those in the fights he's been. i feel like cory booker is following that model, that he will, you know, cozy up to finance for money purposes, but that, you know, the social welfare programs. >> that speaks of the attention that exists in the democratic party. in some ways it's a regional thing. he's from new jersey, he's from the new york area. chuck schumer is going to do wall street's bidding in a sense in washington. but the democratic party right now, there is among somerset of the base, there is the sense we won on the cultural issues. we are sort of a liberal culture now. the next battle is to do battle with chuck scheduler. >> it gets back to the grand bargain question. if that does happen, it comes to some long-term budget

compliment. it's because entitlement programs are cut. that's what they will accept for some sort of tax increase, if that ever hams. so it really will test a lot of these not just senators but lawmakers who have that sort of occupied philosophy. >> i also think, too, americans look at congress and the senate right now as sort of like a house on hoarders and if you get to, you have won the chance to live in this garbage house. yay! so they get the trust of what can actually get them is so low that does that mean cory booker can do a little bit and be a giant hero or does it mean that no matter how much cory booker can get them, it's not enough. it's the deficit. >> i think the question is what can he accomplish legislatively between now and the coming interim. i think almost nothing. he will be the most junior person in a congress that's not going to do much anyway. but, you know, he can sort of helps out a little bit.

>> all right. quickly now. i wonder if chris christie is not happy as a result of that as opposed to having lonergan and pulling him to the right when he is trying to be a moderate. >> chris christie costs $24 million. cory booker is not on the ballot in november. nurnlgs by the way, you have another election in two weeks. there is so much going on in politics week. we have so much more going p going. that's coming up next. seasonal... doesn't begin to describe it. my cashflow can literally change with the weather. anything that gives me some breathing room makes a big difference. the plum card from american express gives your business flexibility. get 1.5% discount for paying early, or up to 60 days to pay without interest, or both each month. i'm nelson gutierrez and i'm a member of the smarter money. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. ♪

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its history of elected women to office. three others have filed them in 90 years sense then. the tide has begun turning. six years ago in 2007, niki tsongas won a seat in the hour, elizabeth ward defeated scott brown. katherine clark this week won the primary to mill the congressional seat. that basically makes her a shoe-in, which would make a second female congress woman. looking ahead, attorney general martha coakley. remember her? she leads, she is not only leading, she is dominating. she is ahead by 50 point. in 2010, that appears to be a significant turn around. so what has changed to make massachusetts more friendly to women candidates and how they are able to break the glass ceiling. this is about massachusetts. this is about states that have these entrenched political cultures. we were talking about new jersey, new jersey comes to mind. they tend to be dominated by men

or you know white, white guys urgely. and seeing some significant changes in massachusetts, i wonder if that's a part of something broader that's happening? >> i think so. you look at new york city, christine quinn didn't when for mayor, but we have our first african-american female elected at this time-wide. we till have a long way to go. cory booker is only the fourth elected black member of the senate. we've only had four black governors in this country's history, one elected since duval patrick. we still have a ways to go. in new york, it took hillary clinton to brake that. as the demographics change, new york is a majority minority city. as these demographics change, which is why the republicans are fearful, i think you will see more opportunity. >> go back to virginia for a second. one of the most battleground states, never had a female state-wide office holder. that's a big deal.

so when i talk to younger people interested in politic, i tell them, if you are interested an not a white man, you should really think about cultivating what you will do. because there is such a bench in places like virginia and massachusetts where you can look down and say you look at the congressional delegation, there is a handful of people. in new jersey, barbara bueno not going to defeat chris christie in a few weeks. you got some difficulties building a strong non-white man base in either party. >> we talked about virginia earlier, you start seeing thee joy gantic gender gaps, if that doesn't create more areas for women imperative for the democratic party to say, look, this means we need to get some more female candidates. >> i think. so i think women are looking at what just happened and what's been happening since hr-1 in congress when they tried to fund planned parenthood, wait, this government shut down. when it reopens, these people are still running it.

the only way we can make this change is if we get ourselves elected. >> another place where women in politics are making real strides is in the senate. sure, there have been 44 in the chamber. nearly half are serving right now. it's not the 51 they would need to act rattly reflect the population. this is definitely a whole lot better than before. this week it was women trumpeting headlines in reaching a deal. headlines with senator susan collins, supposedly leading 13 of her colleagues, five women, eight men, in an effort that paved the way for the bipartisan deal. is there anyway women are becoming the brokering deal on capitol hill. is it a sign there are more women in congress in the senate these days? is there something more unique they bring to the barring anything table? we saw a spate of stories, "time" magazine had a story on it. >> the way i saw it play out, it was, i'm sure, you know,

personal relationships among individual senators matter for that. there is the case, in the senate right now, there is a semi governing coalition of the democrats and about a dozen republicans. there aren't a whole lot of female republican senators. they're all in that coalition, i believe. so any time, you know the senate will get together to do something when the house issed by theling its thumbs. will you have all the republican women working with democrats and us women democrats. you know, just on a broader play, i feel like everything we talk about is reflective in a way republicans play. they're terrible at it. any time there is some sort of controversy, they find a token woman ledge lator or minority legislator and put them on the stage. right? they are only doing that. they realize without anything else to offer, these communities, they need to do something. they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't think it was super important. >> we saw that, it was summer or

early spring, i'm getting old. the 20 week abortion ban, republicans in an afterthought said, oh, wait, we already have a woman on this, marcia blackburn faced forward. >> women are daung on them. the panel to talk about birth control, it didn't don on him make maybe a woman should be on that panel. when you feel like an afterthought, when i look at the republican party, women are an afterthought, it's a problem. >> you saw a lot of women driving the tea party movement, right during the health care debate leading up to the republicans taking over the house, michelle bachmann for as much as people say about her that they don't like, she's a strong force. sarah palen, a lot of women were driven. women are the ones that control the pocket. folks in the household, they can resonate with the economic message, we seen the governors is a diverse base of people that

are young and looking to the future. maybe it doesn't happen until 2020. but they're really starting to step up on the republicans. >> that's one thing we should see when it comes to, you talk about women in congress is one thing. you talk about women at the statewide gubernatorial level. governors need to let up there. we can't discuss women in washington this week without bringing up nancy pelosi, putting aside the question for a moment of whether she'd have a boehner-style rebellion on her hands, it is a matter of what the former speaker did, what the leader accomplished when it didn't matter, congress stride to restart parts of the government in peacemeal plans, pelosi re-assured her members that it would be worth doing it down the road. when it counted on wednesday night, she delivered the 198 votes she promised. house democrats voted unanimously to reopen government and extend the debt ceiling. they gave harry reed and president obama a backstop.

this is really a story in and of itself. she was the speaker. she is back to being a minority leader, her second term of that. there is a nancy pelosi renaissance going on in the house. >> i don't want to pour water on it. clearly, nancy is one of the most talented leaders in the country and 25 years. i think jonathan bernstein said the best speaker since tip o'neil. in this particular case, it's much easier to be the house minority leadish than the house speaker. getting 195 votes she got together for the final deal i don't think was particularly like hard challenge for her. when she was speaker, she wasn't dealing with the conference that sound screwy as john banner's conference. -- john boehner's conference.

there was the movement of defunding the iraq war. there are differences between those two movements. but pelosi, she was able to shut that down in a way boehner could. >> even though she was on the personal side. that's what she wanted to see done. she and hoyer don't have a lot of great dynamic there. she has been able control her caucus. it's a different caucus she faces with health care. what do we know right now that we didn't foe last week? our answers are right after this. ♪

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