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due to mature subject matter viewer discretion is advised. there's probably four or five names in the prison system that you automatically hear of. maxwell is one of them. >> after a daring mistake, an inmate is booked into jail. >> i was not going back i promise you that. jimmy was not turning himself in. >> james stephenen max well, he
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might be considered somewhat of a legend around here. >> now he faces consequences that go well beyond what a judge could give him. >> it's going to be the next jimmy maxwell. >> it's hard to explain a wasted life. you feel like you are meant for more. i love you very much brandon and i'm sorry i wasn't there for you. >> now, "lock up" tells it story of a criminal legend the family he left behind and the consequences of his decisions. ♪ living in the heart of
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tornado alley, residents of tulsa, oklahoma know to always be braced and ready for a destructive force of nature. it's also that way inside the walls of a half million square foot structure on the edge of downtown, the david l. moss criminal justice center better known as the tulsa county jail. >> another day in paradise. >> most of the 1,800 men and women incarcerated here have only been charged with crimes and awaiting trial. newly arrived james maxwell is an exception. he is not only a convict but is as familiar to staff and inmates as any twister. >> james steven maxwell could be considered a legend around here. some of the inmates look up to him. they give him a lot of respect. he really upholds what they are
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going to call the outlaw dance with law enforcement. >> jimmy maxwell, he's a legend. he's a tough guy. not one to be messed with. good guy good heart. if you cross him, he's going to be strong. >> that man is 74 and 2 at the granite boxing ring. 74 and 2 is his record. >> maxwell, who spent most of his adult life behind bars did not get his reputation through only fighting. >> he's escaped from several facilities in the state of oklahoma. during that time he got a reputation of not being able to be held. >> 14 hours earlier, he fled a prison outside tulsa. he was apprehended, suffered a black eye and shoulder injury in the process. >> due to him being an escape risk we will use handcuffs, leg
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irons and a chain around his belly. >> we are going to have him black boxed. it's a system that was invented by inmates in prison who learned to compromise handcuffs. it covers the key holes. >> he might be a high escape risk, that's no problem. he's not going to get out of our facility. he's not going hir. >> he will remain in tulsa county until he is tried. >> i knew what the consequences could have been when i did it. they were worth it to me. i almost got away with it. it wasn't very long i got away for about a day. i'm just waiting for it to be foggy and i took off.
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>> maxwell has a total of ten convictions over 30 years. several for violent crimes like assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. at the time of his escape he was serving 25 years for possession of drugs with intent to sell. because of good behavior maxwell was transferred to a minimum security prison three weeks before he decided to make a run for it. >> coming over the fence, i caught my pant leg. i face planted into the ground. it knocked my shoulder out of socket. i ran a mile and a half keeping it from knocking around. it was dislocated. i did not know what i was going to do. i was not going back i know that. jimmy was not turning himself in. i laid down and thought out how my arm goes together. i had to lean forward and hook my hand and stretch it and prayed it went back in and it did. so when it slid back in i was
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a very happy man. >> according to police reports, maxwell made it to the home of his stepdaughter stephanie star. a police officer was staking out the location by the time maxwell, star and another friend left in the friend's truck. >> next thing you know he's like what the hell is behind us. i look and there's 30 cops. i'm so mad and so upset that this is happening like this. this was probably the only chance i'd ever have. finally, when i got out of the truck, i'm not complying very well. i turned around and took off. they shot me with a beanbag. then they tased me with a taser. then they set the dog on me. when it was said and done i'm like, i mean i'm like man, you guys i don't know how you done it, but you are good. i have to give you that. i thought i made it this time.
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i was wanting to be somebody else and just be a citizen. i figured that if i stole a few years now as much time as possible, who knows. if i could go out and live a citizens life one more chance at it then if i did get caught later on the line i could still look back and see i had a little bit of life to live. i lived a little bit of life. that was my plan. not much of a plan obviously, but they wouldn't have caught me at that moment in time who knows i might be living in l.a. you know what i mean? with blond hair. coming up -- >> who knows how many people have been here drawing on this cell. not knowing what's coming next. not knowing where their life is going. >> jimmy maxwell settles in. just down the hall -- >> i never meant to hurt nobody in my life. >> another maxwell ponders the
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facility. >> stand right outside your doors, gentlemen. >> everything in this facility was meant to affect the metal. there's no barbed wire. there's no gun tower. there's no viewpoint from outside that you can tell this is a jail. the general population housing units, there's wooden doors. why wooden doors? if you have never been inside and heard the metal on metal, you don't understand. we have carpet on the floor. we have tables that are movable. we have chairs they can pick up and move and sweep under and take them to their room. we have porcelain toilets and sinks. if you affect the mind set, you change the facility. this was built for the officers who have to work here. it's their day that's affected not the inmates. >> thank you. >> tulsa county took strides to
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make general housing population more livable. itis one person's segregation. inmates have been cited for disciplinary problems or high security risks. having recently escaped oklahoma state prison jimmy maxwell falls into the latter category. >> how are you spending your time here? >> planning my next move. no, i'm just kidding. >> the felony convictions, he's seen the inside of plenty units. >> it's bigger at home. the cell is not too bad. we have a stereo under it. pretty good speakers. this is what almost any cell is going to look like when you get throwed into it. it's going to look like this
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smell like this and hot like this. closed in and boxed in like this. you are going to see stuff on the walls like this where some guy up here is marking down each and every day he has left. he marks it down from 1350 to 1325. i imagine he pulled chains and went to the pen ten chair. how many people have been in here bored to tears? how many people have been in here not knowing what's coming next or where their life is going? here is days in the county jail. days in the seg. it's days upon days in this little old crappy cell. this is just the county jail. when you go past this there is no end. it's a gray concrete prison. we don't mark the days on the wall, we mark sets of push ups and things like that. because the days are ridiculous.
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you don't mark down days you mark down years at a time. >> maxwell marked off half of his 25 year sentence. his escape is likely to add several more years back. now, as he awaits a court hearing, his time is made more painful. by the years another inmate might be facing. his son is in a cell down the hall and his future looks dim. >> my son is brandon maxwell. he's 19. >> i'm in charged for second degree murder and being at the scene of a fatality. i never meant to hurt nobody in my life. i'm the type person that would help a person before i hurt them. >> he's entered a not guilty plea he speaks openly about the horrifying event that led to the second degree murder charge.
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he was high on meth. according to police reports a wife and mother rushed out of the house to stop him and was run over in the process. >> i didn't know i killed anybody. we were getting in the van, backing up and taking off. we were going over a curb. that's what i thought i hit. i'm terribly sorry. terribly sorry. if i could go back i would. i would take it all back. i can't. think about how she doesn't get to see her family. if i do life in prison it's easier to think about it. >> the person that died in that and their families i pray for y'all. i'm so sorry. he is too. he is, too. he is a good kid. he's got a lot of potential. i just see all that go down the
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tubes like this. it's hard for me. it's hard for me. i don't accept the fact he's going to be a convict just like me. i'm not ready to accept that. i just knew his life was -- i just didn't want him to have to suffer the things the life. i didn't want him to have to be sitting here like i am at this age. it's hard to explain a wasted life. how you feel about it if you don't -- if you really -- if you really felt like he was meant for more. i just hoped for better. i just hoped he would have a good life. >> what would you say to your son right now? >> i would tell him i love him very much brandon.
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i'm very sorry that i wasn't there for you. i didn't lead a normal life. i didn't raise you like a normal dad. that you're not in college right now. i just tell him i love him. and i'm sorry for my failings not his. coming up jimmy maxwell discusses this sort of thing that made him an inmate legend. >> so i broke his legs arms, collarbone and fingers with a baseball bat and crippled him for life. so we could be a better, safer energy company. i can tell you - safety is at the heart of everything we do. we've added cutting-edge technology like a new deepwater well cap and a state-of-the-art monitoring center, where experts watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven.
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court. many have prior stays in jail and prison. few have been as well known throughout the population as jimmy maxwell. >> there's four or five names in the prison system you hear of. jimmy max well is one of them. he's a fighter, a good fighter. i don't remember hearing him lose a fight. he's no nonsense. business is business in prison. if he didn't have his money, probably would have got socked in the jaw or a ball bat to your head. >> he's notorious, that's all i say. >> i took down a few heavies over the years. i haven't gotten a lot of tolerance for not paying me. i get paid. >> dope cigarettes it's the dollar in there. it's how we survive. >> even in prison maxwell says he did better than just survive. >> i bought my wife a set of
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boobs from my drug dealing activities. it's a mistake, by the way. you don't want to do that while you are in prison. >> maxwell says he escaped a moral code. >> i don't pick on people. i try to stand for what i believe is right. it's just like the time that i ran into a guy that raped my wife's best friend. so, i broke his legs his arms collarbone fingers and everything else with a baseball bat on the yard. i crippled him for life. i knew damn well he was regretting forcing that girl to do whatever he forced her to do. you know what? it's what he had coming. i'll stand by that. i'll just stand by that. >> were you charged with that? >> nope. not till now, probably.
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but, i'm thinking the statute of limitations has to be up by now. >> maxwell isn't laughing when it comes to his 19-year-old son, brandon, whose troubles are getting worse. he was given a ten-year prison sentence for violating probation on a drug charge. he faces life in prison if he's found guilty of second degree murder. according to police he ran over a woman whose van he was attempting to steal. he was moved to the segregation unit for fighting. it's not the first time he's had trouble here. >> he's gotten into a number of disciplinary issues problems. he's been put in seg a number of times for assault and possession of contraband. >> i got to protect myself. i'm not a violent person but i know how to survive. >> word of the son of jimmy
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maxwell is already beginning to spread. >> that's going to be the next jimmy maxwell. >> jimmy maxwell says he has not seen his son in three years, since brandon was 16. >> a quarter mile down the hallway. oddly enough i feel closer to him. he's right there in the street. >> i want to see my dad, you know. i'll probably never see him again. i'm going to go to prison for a long time. he's going to go to prison for a long time. they're not going to let us be around each other. >> for now, the only way jimmy can see brandon is through a newspaper clipping about his current troubles. >> i don't have any other pictures of him. that's the only one, his mug shot. it's not a very good mug shot. he's very sad. that's his picture. i can see his eyes. i can see that they are red
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rimmed and very sorrowful. >> sergeant collette supervises the unit that houses jimmy and brandon in different sections. he checks in with the inmates regularly and knows jimmy from prior stays here. >> unfortunately, you have to stay here awhile. he asked if we could move his son next to him. we cant. we have to keep them separated. he asked me to talk to his son because he was heading down the same road he was. >> always in trouble and he's going to be facing some time. he doesn't really know how to deal with this yet. i don't believe he's doing so well because he's struggling with his identity. my dad's son. i'm a convict. how am i going to live?
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have i got to live up to his reputation or make my own reputation? he's going through a lot of stuff now. >> your parents always want you to do better than you did. maybe i can get him turned go the other way. i don't know. free your mind. maybe i can get him to go along with that program. i try to. >> maxwell has come to see prison as a long time. he says he prays some day, brandon will reach the other end. >> he's got to put one foot in front of the other and keep ongoing to the end of the tunnel and not make it worse. it's too easy to do. if he gets caught up in trying to live a prison life he's going to be subject to all the stuff that happens when you do that. happened to me. i wouldn't know what i'm talking about if it didn't happen to me.
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two inmates who fled a florida prison have been captured together. they were found in a motel in panama city. they are serving life sentences for murder. in california two bay area transit workers were killed by a train. it comes on the second day of a transit strike. >> bob filner pled guilty to sexually harassing women who worked for him. back to "lock up." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. unlike many large correction facilities, the tulsa county jail was designed as single story structure with double tiered cells.
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>> the multistory buildings are cumbersome and separated the employees from each other. >> because it doesn't rise high there's a large footprint, roughly the size of ten football fields. long hallways connect various housing units. >> the longest is a quarter mile long. it's elevated. >> they correspond with a unit. >> it's a quarter mile long. the humps going up help us to see. we can have a visual on the inmates all the way down the hall way. >> the hallway has been traversed numerous times by inmates, jimmy maxwell and his son. now the third family member will walk it as well. stephanie star was charged and released on bond for aiding jimmy in his recent escape
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attempt. she pled not guilty and was awaitling trial when another problem brought her back to jail, unpaid tickets. >> i'm here for my traffic warrants i haven't paid any of them. i kept forgetting. like $19,000 or something like that. >> if she's found aiding in jimmy's escape, she would face prison time. >> my family is my family. i love them to death. i'm loyal to mine. i ain't never going to turn my back on any, whatever you know what i mean? i would do it again. you know me in a heart beat. >> jimmy maxwell is unaware his stepdaughter is housed in the female unit. in the meantime he freshened up his cell cleaning off the graffiti. he found an old friend is in the
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segregation unit across the hall. >> v-w. >> he's trying to teach him sign language with mixed results. >> it's been 30 years. i'm a little slow at it. i probably suck at it. >> he's killing me. i gotta tell you, he's killing me. you are killing me. >> flowers is charged with possession of firearm by felon. he's pled not guilty awaiting trial. it was while serving time in prison he got to know maxwell. they can spend time together, one hour per day. another day, other segregation inmates are in a closed rec area. >> i want to say nice but it's not like the park i guarantee
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you. it's nice to be out here have fresh air. >> maxwell is still recovering from a shoulder injury he suffered during his escape. >> son of a gun. that was the wrong thing to do. >> for now, he'll have to settle for being a spectator during rec time. >> this is just like being all dressed up and nowhere to go. know what i mean? >> jacob smith is more than 20 years younger than maxwell. he is already familiar with the legendary oklahoma inmate. >> been here 14 months. just in that 14 months i have heard a lot of stories. a lot of stories about jimmy maxwell. everybody knows who jimmy maxwell is. in the system we hear stories about people who are bad and
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build a reputation for themselves. jimmy maxwell is one of those people. everybody knows stories about jimmy, some of the things he did on the yard. the people jimmy represents. he's, i guess in a way, he's kind of a legend throughout the penal system. >> at this stage in your life, is that a good thing or a bad thing? >> it's a bad thing in the sense that i -- i mean it's a good thing if you are going to spend the rest of your life in prison and going to be here and this is your home and this is where you are going to reside. this is not really what i wanted to do with my life. i'm going to be honest with you, you been having a reputation and people -- i would give it all up just to be a good father. >> have you talked to your boy? >> no. i'm starting to wonder -- it's
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probably not going to happen is it? >> i had the opportunity to meet brandon when he first came here. i never seen a kid so full of life. so full of joy when he talked about his dad. he really looks up to his dad. >> thanks for saying that. >> absolutely. >> i think i needed to hear that. i haven't really heard that before. >> brandon maxwell has been released from segregation and returned to a general population. as usual, it doesn't take long to meet others acquainted with his father like david childers. >> his dad was a good friend of mine. i met him in prison when i was 17. acts just like his dad. >> childers has a unique perspective when it comes to brandon following in his father's footsteps. >> i understand it my first
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cell partner was my father. i talked to my dad about it. it hurts the father to see his son follow in his footsteps. >> this is a poem a minister gave me. touches me in a way i don't like, if you want to know the truth. it says walk plainer daddy said a little boy so frail, i'm following in your footsteps and i don't want to fail. sometimes your steps are plain, sometimes they are hard to see. so walk a little plainer, daddy for you are leading me. some day, when i'm grown up -- some day, when i'm grown up you are like i want to be. then i'll have a little boy who would want to follow me. i would want to lead him right and help him be true.
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walk a little plainer daddy, we must follow you. >> that's what you are supposed to do. you are supposed to walk a path your child can follow and be proud of and have a life and his child is supposed to be able to follow him from following you. he's following me all right. he's following me right to prison. that does not give my heart any joy. it does not give me any peace. i didn't walk very good for him. coming up -- >> what were you thinking? >> what do you mean what was i thinking? >> don't you think you're getting a little too old? >> jimmy maxwell gets a visit from another of his children.
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♪ the 1,800 men and women inside the walls of the tulsa county jail are all at turning points in their life. some awaiting trial. others serve a short sentence for a variety of crimes. the others waiting for a jury to hand down a verdict or judge to issue a sentence. as he approaches age 50, jimmy maxwell might be in the midst of a midlife crisis. re-evaluating his reputation and what it's done to him and his family. >> am i feeling inging desperate now? yes i am. i have been trying to accept my life of being in prison. it's a fight. i'm fighting it every step of the way.
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>> maxwell was about midway through a 25 year sentence for drug possession and assaulting a police officer when he escaped from prison. he's now at tulsa county jail until the judge decides how many more years are added to the sentence. meanwhile, his son, brandon, awaits trial for second degree murder. >> when he was in school and started having problems it had a lot to do with me not being there. >> i felt separated from my father, so i rebelled. i made wrong choices. >> it doesn't help i'm as well known as i am and they tell stories. he gets this picture in his mind of a bad ass dad. >> maxwell's stepdaughter is in the jail as well. she was arrested for her failure to pay $19,000 in traffic fines. she faces charges of aiding her
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father's release. >> you're getting released. >> today, she's going home. her friend posted bond. >> oh he bonded me out? >> if she's found guilty of aiding maxwell, her freedom could be short lived. >> sign. >> are you going to behave? >> yes. yes, i'm going to behave. >> jimmy maxwell has seen a modest improvement for his life. he's been moving to a new cell. it's roomier than the old one. >> my buddy is next door. we can talk and pass stuff back and forth. >> passing items between cells involves a technique known as fishing. tulsa county inmates call it cadillacing. >> got a newspaper. >> inmates tie objects to string
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and send them back and forth. >> he made good burritos last night. he sent me a couple of them. >> through the door? >> under the door. yeah a burrito comes in a plastic bag like this. he made me two of them squashed them down hooked them on a string. bring it back to life once you get it out. it tastes delicious. >> i had to smash the hell out of them. >> i put them all back in shape. >> huh? >> i put them back in shape. >> that's good. >> you gotta give me the recipe. >> he tries to keep his spirits up. thoughts of brandon's upcoming trial weigh heavily on him. he recently asked jail officials to allow him a brief visit with
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him. maxwell is considered a security risk. >> there's a possibility as bad as i don't want to think about it we may never see each other again. >> once a week however, maxwell is allowed to see other members of his family. his youngest daughter along with her mother have just arrived at the jail for a visit. they are divorced but maintain a friendship. they are both here to get questions answered about his recent escape attempt. >> it was an opportunity. >> james maxwell. >> visitation for james maxwell for a visit. james maxwell. >> j-2. >> it's so stupid. i just can't understand his thought process. he's a grown man. i guess he knows what he's doing or he thinks he does.
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>> he's a knuckle head. he always has been. >> while mary joe visits brandon, echo goes to see her father. this has been the routine since she was a little girl. >> i'm used to it. him not being there, having to see him behind glass or going through security to see him. my dad's been in here a long time. i hate it for him. you don't want to see anybody you love locked up. but, he wouldn't know how to act if he was out here anyway. my brother being locked up now bothers me a little more just cause he's my little brother. it's hard to -- i would say to my father because i don't want to hurt his feelings but it's his fault. it's his fault my little brother
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is here. >> hey, sweetie. >> hey. >> what are you doing? oh, you look so beautiful. >> thank you. you look handsome yourself. >> you're my daughter you have to say that. >> what were you thinking? >> what do you mean what was i thinking? >> don't you think you are getting a little too old to be doing that? >> i broke my shoulder in the process. i'm obviously getting too old to be jumping fences but i'm so tired of doing time. i just wanted to be out there with you guys. i just wanted to be free you know that. i'm just tired of it. i'm tired of being locked up. i'm tired of being in jail in prison. >> yeah. >> i don't know what else to say. i get discouraged and things don't work as fast as i want them to or i get more time than
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i expected. i don't know. i just don't want to be an old man getting out. we miss everything again, with everybody. i mean i'm upset, don't get me wrong, that i got caught. i wanted to be at the lake this summer. i wanted to visiting. but, i might be able to get a chance to see brandon. i mean being here for him, being able to you know being able to say some things for him that nobody else is going to say. i mean to me it's almost a fair trade. >> probably happened for some reason you know? >> yeah i should have never got caught. it would have never happened if it was devine intervention. >> i don't know what's going on. i don't know how come things are happening the way they are happening or why i can't figure
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out how i got caught. we grow up you know what i mean? coming up jimmy maxwell finds out if jail officials give the okay to a visit with his son. which means it's never been easier to get a new passat awarded j.d. power's most appealing midsize car, two years in a row. and right now you can drive one home for practically just your signature. get zero due at signing, zero down zero deposit, and zero first month's payment on any new 2014 volkswagen. hurry, this offer ends october 31st. for details, visit vwdealer.com today.
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watch over all drilling activity twenty-four-seven. and we're sharing what we've learned so we can all produce energy more safely. our commitment has never been stronger. we're going to go get jimmy maxwell. >> for security reasons, tulsa county jail detention officers never let inmates know when or
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why they are leaving their cells. >> escorted down by us. >> you going to take me out? >> yeah we gonna take you out. >> for a burger and fries? >> oh. >> hey, boy. >> it's so good to see you, son. it's gonna be all right, you know that right? i promise you. >> jimmy and his 19-year-old son brandon have not seen each other for three years. jimmy says his status as oklahoma's most feared inmates has cost him with his son. jimmy offers some advice.
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>> no matter how it goes you are going to have time to do. don't let this define you. don't let prison define you. if there is light at the end of the tunnel it's so so so small. they make prison their world and their home. i did that. you get caught into living in the penitentiary. this is my home. this is where i live. you stop caring. one day, i was looking through my photo album. i had photos of you and echo. i flipped through and flipped through. as you got older, you were almost teenagers. i just realized how much i let you down. and, i mean i spent all this time in here trying to be look out for other people and look out for mine and look out for -- you know fit in here.
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penitentiary penitentiary. it was, i realized it was you guys that needed me the most. i let you down. dumb ass. i learned through the years and years that we wasted apart. there is a light, no matter how dim it may seem. it's hard to stay in the tunnel and watch for that light and go for that light. it's easier to not give [ bleep ]. i'm going to tell you this. i know you and i can see the water in your eyes even when you are smiling and i know how much pain and anguish you are going through now. i don't want your whole life gone. if you get 20 25 whatever i'm going to call it a blessing. if you get lucky, like that then you need to walk this walk and walk straight out that door
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and not come back like this. over and over again. >> i don't want to get caught up in that. it's not my plan. it never has been my plan. we all get discouraged and all do things. we are human. we get discouraged. we have to keep our eyes on the tunnel on the light. >> maybe it's not what i was meant to do. god or whoever did not see fit for me to get away. i'm not upset with being caught. i mean well that's not exactly true. i am a little upset about being caught. i'm glad i'm here for you right now. >> everything does happen for a reason. it's obvious right now, sitting where we are at this all happened for a reason. we both needed this.
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i can't express how much we both needed this. >> as the visit draws to a close, the father and son have a final chance to be like other fathers and sons. >> last time i saw you. >> ripple right there. >> yeah. >> i think our time is about up son. come here son. >> i love you, too. >> love you. >> i love you, too, son. >> you weren't expecting that
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am i evil? yes i am. >> one inmate walks a fine line between heaven and hell. after a decade in confinement -- >> it just strips the humanity away from you. >> one of indiana's most infamous inmates moves to general population. >> i couldn't believe it with his reputation that he has. >> serving 100 years for a
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