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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. there's probably four, five names in the prison system that you automatically hear of, folklore. he's one of them. >> after a daring prison escape, an infamous inmate is booked into the jail. >> i was not going back. i promise you that. jimmy was not turning himself
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in. >> james steven maxwell, he could be considered somewhat of a legend around here. >> i've taken down a few heavies over the years. >> he faces consequences that could go beyond what a judge could give him. >> that's going to be the next jimmy maxwell. >> harder to explain a wasted life. you really felt like -- i really felt like he was meant for more. i love you, and i'm sorry i wasn't there for you. >> now, "lockup" tells the story of a criminal legend, the family he left behind, and the devastating consequences of his decisions. [ siren ] >> living in the heart of
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tornado alley, residents of tulsa, oklahoma, know to always be braced and ready for a destructive force of nature. it's also that way inside the walls of a half million square-foot structure on the edge of downtown. the david l. moss criminal justice center, better known as the tulsa county jail. >> another day in paradise. >> most of the 1,800 men and women incarcerated here have only been charged with crimes and are awaiting trial for the resolution of their cases. newly arrived james maxwell is an exception. he's not only a convict but is as familiar to staff and inmates here as the turbulent storms that precede any twister. >> he could be considered somewhat was a legend. some inmates look up to him. they give him a lot of respect. >> give 'em hell, maxwell.
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>> he upholds what they're going to call the outlaw dance with law enforcement. >> jimmy maxwell -- jimmy's a legend in the department of corrections of oklahoma. he's a tough guy. he wouldn't want to be messed with for sure. good guy. good heart. if you crossed him, he's going to -- it's going to be strong. >> that man is 74-2 at the grandchildrenity boxing ring in the penitentiary behind the fence. >> 74-2? >> 74-2 is his record. >> maxwell, who has spent most of his adult life behind bars, did not earn his reputation solely through fighting. >> he's got a history of getting out of lockup, escaping from several facilities in the state of oklahoma. during that time, he got a heck of a reputation of not being able to be held. >> and just 14 hours earlier, maxwell fled a state prison 60 miles outside tulsa. he was apprehended on the outskirts of town and suffered a black eye and shoulder injury in the process. >> due to his being an escape risk, we will be using
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handcuffs, leg iron, and a chain around his belly with a box and a padlock. >> we're going to have him black boxed. what this is is a system -- it was actually invented by inmates in prison who have learned how to compromise the handcuffs. what it does, it covers the keyholes. good for you? want me to give you more sflak. >> little bit more, would you? >> he might be a high escape risk. that's no problem. he's not going to get out of our facility. there's no way he's going anywhere. >> maxwell will remain at tulsa county until he is tried for the escape attempt. >> i knew what the consequences could have been when i did it. they were worth it to me. i almost got away with it. >> i wasn't out very long, i got away for about a day. i just waited for it to be foggy, and i took off. >> maxwell has a total of ten
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convictions over the past 30 years. several for violent crimes like assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. at the time of his escape, he was serving 25 years for possession of drugs with the intent to sell and assault and battery on a police officer. due to a span of good behavior, the amount of time left on his sentence, maxwell had been transferred to a minimum security prison just three weeks before he decided to make a run for it. >> coming over a fence, i caught my pant leg in the top and ended up faceplanting into the ground, and it knocked my shoulder out of the socket. i went around for a mile and a half with my arm out of my shoulder, keeping it from flopping around because it was dislocated. but i did not know what i was going to do. i was not going back, i promise you that. jimmy was not turning himself in. i just laid down and just thought out how my arm goes together, and i had to lean forward and hook my hand and stretch it and just pray that it went back in. and it did.
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so i -- when is t slid back in, i was a very happy man. >> according to police reports, maxwell made it to the tulsa home of his stepdaughter, stephanie star. but a police officer was already staking out the location by the time maxwell, star, and another friend left in the friend's truck. [ sirens ] >> next thing you know, he's like, "what in the shahell is behind us?" i looked and there were cops. i was upset and mad that this happened like this because this was probably the only chance that i'd ever have. finally when i got out of the truck, i'm not complying very well. i turned around and took off. shea shot me with a beanbag and tased me with a taser. then they set the dog on me. when it was said and done, i'm like -- i'm like, man, you guys -- i don't know how you done it, but you guys are good. i got to give you that. if i'd of made it this time, i
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just was wanting to be somebody else and just be a citizen. i figured if i stole a few years now, as much time as possible, who knows. if i could go out and live a citizen's life, get one more chance, if i did get caught later on i would have still been able to look back on my life and see that i had a little bit of life to live. that i lived a little bit of life. that was my plan. not much of a plan obviously. if they would have caught me at that moment -- if they wouldn't have caught me at that moment in time, who knows, i might have been living in l.a., you know what i mean, with blonde hair. coming up -- >> who knows how many people have been here drawing on the cell, not knowing what's coming next. not knowing where their life is going. >> jimmy maxwell settles in. just down the hall -- >> i ain't never meant to hurt nobody in my life. >> another maxwell ponder t eer
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like many other urban jails, tulsa county is trained to handle a variety of problems and emergencies. >> let's go! lock down! let's go! >> lock down! >> the jail opened in 1999. but before that, officials had recognized the importance of design and management of the facility. >> you stand right outside your door, gentlemen. >> everything in this facility was meant to affect the mental state. there are no -- there's no barbed wire. there's no gun tower. there's no viewpoint from outside that you can tell this is a jail. on the general population housing units, there's wooden doors. a lot of people -- why wooden doors. if you've never been inside of a cell and heard the metal on metal shut of a door, you don't
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understand. it's a mental thing. we have carpet on the floor in the day room. we have tables that are moveable. we have chairs that they can pick up and move and sweep under and take them to their room and put them at their desk. they have porcelain toilets, porcelain sinks. we do that for a reason -- if you affect the mindset, you change the behavior. this facility was not built for the inmates. this was built for the officers who work here because it's their day that's affected by the mood of the inmate, not the inmates'. >> thank you. >> tulsa county took strides to make general population housing units for livable. it's one person's segregation cells offer the bare minimum in accommodations. inmates assigned to these cells have either been cited for disciplinary problems or high security risks. having recently escaped an oklahoma state prison, jimmy maxwell falls into the latter category. >> so how are you spending your time up here? >> planning my next move.
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no. i'm just kidding. >> the ten felony convictions and criminal record spanning 30 years, he's seen the insides of plenty of cells. in this one, the prior occupant did what he could to make it feel like home. >> we've got -- not really a big screen, you're probably used to bigger at home. but for a cell, it's not too bad. you know, we've got a stereo underneath of it. we've got pretty good speakers. this is what almost any cell is going to look like when you get throwed into it. it's going to look like this, smell like this, it's going to be hot like this, it's going to be closed in and boxed in like this. you're going to see stuff on the wall just like this -- where some guy up here is marking down each and every day that highway has left. he marks it down from 1350 to 1325. i imagine he pulled chains there and went to the penitentiary. who knows how many people's been in here drawing on this cell. how many people has been in here just bored to tears.
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how many people have been in here not knowing what's coming next and not knowing where their life is going. here's days in the county jail. days in seg. i mean, it's just days upon days in this little old crappy cell. this is just the county jail. when you go past this, there is no end. and it is just a gray, concrete prison. we don't mark the days on the wall. we mark sets of pushups and things like that. because their days are ridiculous. you're not going to mark down days. you can mark off years at a time. >> maxwell had marked off about half of his 25-year sentence. his escape is likely to add several more years back. now, as he awaits a court hearing on the matter, his time at the tulsa county jail is made even more painful by the years another inmate might be facing -- his son is in a cell just down the hall. his future looks dim. >> my son's brandon maxwell.
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he's 19. >> i'm charged with second-degree murder, theft of two motor vehicleses, and fleeing the scene of a fatality. i never meant to hurt nobody in my life. i'm more the type person that i help that person before i would ever hurt him. >> though maxwell has entered a not guilty plea, he speaks openly about the horrifying event that led to his second-degree murder charge. he says he was high on meth when he stole a van. according to police reports, the owner, a 45-year-old wife and mother, had rushed out of her house to stop him and was run over in the process. >> when it happened, i didn't know i killed anybody. i remember getting in the van, backing up, and taking off. i remember going up a curb. that's what i thought it was i hit. i'm terribly sorry. terribly sorry. if i could go back, i would.
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i would take it all back. i can't. think about how her family's never going to see her, i think about how she don't ever get to see her family. so if i have to do life in prison, makes it easier to think about what they're going through, right? >> the narn died in that and their families -- person that died in that and their families, i pray for y'all. i'm so sorry, and he is, too. he is, too. he's a good kid, and he's got a lot of potential. seeing that go down the tubes like this, it's hard for me. it's hard for me. i haven't send accepted the fact -- i haven't accepted the fact that he's going to be a convict just like me. i'm not ready to accept that. i just knew his life was -- i didn't want him to have to suffer the life. i didn't want him to be sitting
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here like i am at this age. you know, it's hard to explain a wasted life. how you feel about it if you really -- if you really -- if you really felt like you was meant for more. i just hoped for better. i just hoped that he would have a good life. >> what would you say to your son right now is. >> i'd tell him that i love you very much, brandon. and i'm very sorry that i wasn't there for you. i didn't lead a normal life. i didn't raise you like a normal dad. that you're not in college right now. i'd just tell him i love him, and that i'm sorry for my
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failings, not his. coming up, jimmy maxwell discusses the sort of thing that made him an inmate legend. >> so i broke his legs, his arms, and his collar bone and fingers and everything else with a ball bat in the yard out there. you know, and crippled him for life. n the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it's good... good for me. what do you think? geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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more than 30,000 men and women are booked into the tulsa county jail every year. most leave within hours. but on any given day, there are about 1,800 who reside here until their cases are resolved in court. many have prior stays at both the jail and in prison. few, though, have been as well-known throughout the inmate population as jimmy maxwell. >> there's probably four, five names in the prison system that you just automatically hear of. they're folklore. jimmy maxwell's one of them. you know, he's a fighter. a good fighter. i don't remember him losing a fight. jimmy's no nonsense. we all dealt dope in prison.
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business was b busines-- busine business. if you didn't have the money, you probably took a sock to the jaw or ball bat to the head. >> he's notorious, that's all i can say. >> i've taken down a few heavies over the years. i haven't got tolerance for not paying me when i'm supposed to be paid. >> it's the living in there. dope, cigarettes, that's just -- that's the dollar in there. it's how we survive. >> even in prison, maxwell says he did better than just survive. >> bought my wife a set of boobs, you know, from drug dealing activities. that was a mistake, by the way. you don't want to do that while you're in prison. kids. >> maxwell says his violence was steeped in a moral code. >> i don't pick on people. you know, i try to stand for what i believe is right. it's just like the time that i ran into a guy that raped my
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wife's best friend. so i broke his legs, his arms, and his collar bone and his fingers and everything else with a ball bat in the yard out there. you know, and crippled him for life. and i knew damn well that he was regretting ever putting a hand -- forcing that girl to do whatever he forced her to do. but you know what, it's what he had coming. and i'll stand by that. i'll just stand by that. >> were you -- were you charged with that? >> nope. not till now probably. but i'm thinking that the statute of limitations got to be up by now. >> maxwell isn't laughing, however, when it comes to his 19-year-old son brandon whose troubles are getting worse. he was just given a ten-year prison sentence for violating his probation on a drug charge. but he also faces life in prison if he's found guilty in his upcoming trial for second-degree murder. according to police, he ran over a woman whose van he was
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attempting to steal. now seemingly following in his father's footsteps, brandon has just been moved into the segregation unit for fighting. it's not the first time he's had problems here. >> brandon has gotten into a number of disciplinary issues, problems. he's been put in seg a number of times for assault and contraband. >> i've protected myself. i'm not a violent person at all, though. but i know how to survive. >> and word of the son of jimmy maxwell is already beginning to spread. >> son brandon's just as cool as he is. that's going to be the next jimmy maxwell. >> jimmy maxwell says he's not seen his son in the last three years, since brandon was 16. >> about a quarter mile down the hallway. oddly enough, i feel a little closer to him. he's right down the street. >> i want to see my dad, you know. i'm probably never going to see him again. i might go to prison for a long
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time, and he -- he's going to go prison for a long time. they're not going let us be around each other. >> for now, the only way jimmy can see brandon is through a newspaper clipping about his current troubles. >> i don't have any other pictures, to be honest. that's the only picture i have of him, a mugshot. and it's not very good either. it's very sad. that's his pictured that he come in on, and i can see in his eyes -- i can see they're red rimmed, and they're sorrowful. >> sergeant coloeted supervises the segregation unit which currently houses both jimmy and brandon in different sections. highway checks in with the inmates regularly and knows jimmy from prior stays here. >> unfortunately, you know, you got to stay there for a while. >> yeah. i'm aware of that. i cleaned up the house because i knew i was going to be here a while. >> yeah, yeah. >> have you noticeded?
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>> he asked me if we could move his son next to him in the same unit. i said unfortunately not, we can't. we have to keep that separate, family members and co-defendants. we have to keep those separated. he understood and asked may to talk to his son. his son was heading down the same road he was. >> having trouble, he's going to be facing time. he doesn't really know how to deal with this yet. i don't believe he's doing so well now because he's struggling with his identity. my dad's son, i'm a convict. how am i going to live, am i going to live up to his reputation, have i got to make my own reputation. he's going through a lot of stuff right now. >> as parents, you want your kids to to see always do better than you did. and -- kids to always do better than you did. and maybe i can get him turned, i don't know. my adage, free your mind, your ass will follow. maybe i can get him to go along with that program. >> you do pretty good. i better than i did already. >> i try to. >> maxwell has come to see
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prison as a long tunnel and says he prays that someday brandon will reach the other end. >> got to put one foot in front of the other. he's got to just keep on going to the end of that tunnel. and not make it worse because it's too easy to do. and if he gets caught up in trying to live a prison life, then he's going to be subject to all the stuff that happens when you do that. happened to me. i wouldn't know what i'm talking about if i didn't -- if it didn't happen to me. coming up -- >> i'm here now for traffic and city warrants, i haven't paid any of them. i kept forgetting. like $19,000 worth or something like that. >> tulsa county plays host to another member of the maxwell clan. he morning? yeah. getting your vegetables every day? when i can. [ bop ] [ male announcer ] could've had a v8. two full servings of vegetables for only 50 delicious calories.
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charles walker and joseph jenkins were caught without incident at a meetotel in panam city beach. a biker has pleaded guilty to assault charges. he was arraigned and released saturday on $25,000 bail. several other riders have been arrested including an off-duty police officer. i'm veronica de la cruz. now back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. unlike many other large correctional facilities, the tulsa county jail was designed as a single story structure with double-tiered cells. >> we were designing this facility, we went to many facilities around the country. the elevated or the multistory buildings were cumbersome and hard to maneuver and separated the employees from each other. >> because the jail doesn't rise several stories high, it has a
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large footprint. roughly the same size as ten football fields. among its unique features are long, steadily ascending hallways that connect various housing units. >> the longest hallway's a quarter mile long in our sfimpt as you go up, it -- facility. as you go up, it's elevated. >> each level korcorresponds toe housing unit so staff knows which unit. >> it helps us to see. we can have a visual on the inmates all the way down the hallway. >> the hallway has been traversed numerous times by inmates including jimmy maxwell and his son, brandon maxwell. now, a third member of the family will walk it, as well. jimmy's stepdaughter, stephanie star, had already been charged and released on bond for aiding jimmy in his recent escape attempt. she pled not guilty and was awaiting trial when another problem brought her back to jail. unpaid tickets. >> i'm here now for my traffic
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and city warrants. i haven't paid any of them. i kept forgetting. like $19,000 worth or something like that. since 1996. >> if star is found guilty for aiding in jimmy's escape, she could face prison time. >> yeah, the escape. my family is my family. i love them to death. i'm loyal to mine. i not a never going to turn my back on any -- any whatever, you know what i mean? i'd do it again. you know what i mean? in a heartbeat. >> jimmy maxwell is unaware that his stepdaughter is now housed in the jail's female unit. in the meantime, he's freshened up his cell by cleaning off the graffiti. and he's found that an old friend from prison, will flowers, is in the segregation cell across the hall. >> b.w. -- >> maxwell has been trying to teach flowers sign language but with mixed results.
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>> y, z. >> man, it's been 30 years since i've done any sign language. i'm a little slow at it. i probably suck at it. >> he's killing me. i got to tell you, he's killing me. >> slow dunn. >> you are killing me! >> flowers is currently charged with possession of a firearm by a felon. he's pled not guilty and is awaiting trial. but it was while serving time in prison that he got to know maxwell. the two can spend time together one hour per day. they and other segregation inmates are released into an enclosed rec area. >> it's -- i want to say nice. you know what i mean? it's not like the park, i guarantee it. it's nice to be out. nice to have fresh air. nice to be out of that little old book of a cell. -- old box of a cell. >> maxwell is still recovering
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from a shoulder injury he suffered during a escape. >> oh, son of a gun. that was the wrong thing to do. ooh, ooh. >> for now, he'll have to settle for being a spectator during rec time. >> this is just like being all dressed up and nowhere to go. [ laughter ] >> you know what i mean? i can't throw the damn ball. >> jacob smith is more than 20 years younger than maxwell but is already familiar with the legendary oklahoma inmate. >> i've been in for 14 month. just in that 14 months, i've heard a lot of stories. a lot of stories about jimmy maxwell. everybody knows who jimmy maxwell is. in here, in the system, we hear stories about people who will are bad asses and people who build up a reputation for themselves. jimmy maxwell is one of those people. everybody knows stories about jimmy. some of the things that jimmy did out in the yard, you know.
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the -- the people that jimmy represented. i guess in a way you could say he's kind of a legend throughout the penal system. >> at this stage of your life, is there any good thing -- >> it's a bad thing in the sense that i -- i mean it's a good thing if you're going to spend the rest of your life in prison and be here and this is going to be your home, and this is where you're going to reside. but this is not what i really wanted to do with my life. i'm going to be honest with you -- even having -- even having, you know what i mean, the reputation and people knowing -- i'd give it all up just to be a good father. >> have you talked to your boy? >> no. i'm starting to wonder if -- it's probably not going to happen, is it? >> i had the opportunity to meet brandon back when he first came
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here. i never seen a kid so full of life. so full of joy when he talked about his dad. i think he's -- he really looks up to his dad. >> thanks for saying that, man. >> absolutely. >> i think i needed to hear that. i haven't really heard that before. >> brandon maxwell has been released from segregation and returned to a general population unit. as usual, it doesn't take long to meet those acquainted with his father like david childers. >> his dad was real good friend of mine. i met him in prison when i was 17. acts just like his dad. >> childers has a unique perspective when it comes to brandon following in his father's footstep. >> i understand it. my first cell partner was my father. >> wow, i didn't know that. >> i talked to my dad about it, and it hurt the father to see
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his son follow in his footsteps. >> this is the poem that a minister gave me. it touches me in a way i really don't like if you want to know the truth. the title is "walk a little plainer, daddy." it says, "walk a little plainer, daddy, said a boy so frail. i'm following in your footsteps and i don't want to fail. sometimes your steps are very plain. sometimes they are hard to see. so walk a little plainer, daddy, for you are leading me. someday when i'm grown up -- someday when i'm grown up, you are like i want to be. then i want to have a little boy who will want to follow me. and i would want to lead him right and help him to be true. so walk a little plainer, daddy, for we must follow you." that's what you're supposed to do. you're supposed to walk a path that your child can follow and
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be proud of and have a life and his child is supposed to be able to follow him from following you. he's following me all right, but he's following me right to prison. that's not -- that does not give my heart any joy. does not give me any peace. i didn't walk very good for him. coming up -- >> what were you thinking? didn't you think -- >> what do you mean what was i thinking? >> don't you think you're getting too old for this -- >> jimmy maxwell gets a visit from another of his children.
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some await trial while others serve short sentences for a variety of crimes. others are waiting for a jury to hand down a verdict, for a judge to issue a sentence. as he approaches age 50, jimmy maxwell might be in the midst of a mid-life crisis. re, evaluating what his reputation as one of one of oklahoma's notorious inmates has done for him and his family. >> i'm feeling desperate. yes, i am. i've been trying to get out of the mentality of accepting my life in prison, that now i find myself trying to have to get into the mentality of accepting it. and it's a fight. i'm fighting it every step of the way. >> maxwell was about midway through a 25-year sentence for drug possession and assaulting a police officer when he escaped from prison. he's now at tulsa county jail until a judge decides how many more years might be added to that sentence.
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meanwhile, his 19-year-old son, brandon, await trial for second-degree murder. >> i know that when he was in school and when he started having problems, it had a lot to do with me not being there. >> i felt separated from my father so i rebelled, you know what i mean? i made wrong choices. >> didn't help that i'm as well-known as i am and they tell stories, you know what i mean? and he gets this picture in his mind of his bad ass dad. >> maxwell's stepdaughter, stephanie star, is in the jail, as well. she was recently arrested for her failure to pay about $19,000 in traffic fines. she also faces charges of aiding her father's escape. >> you're getting released. >> i instantly. >> yeah. >> today she's returning home. a friend has posted bond for her. >> he bonded me out? yes. >> somebody posted it. >> if star is found guilty of aiding maxwell, her freedom should be short-lived.
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>> sign third line down where it says "inmate signature." >> if you behave and -- >> you say that all the time. >> yes. yes, i'll behave. >> jimmy maxwell has seen a modest improvement in his life. he's been moved to a new cell, and it's roomier than his old one. >> my buddy, will's, next door. now we can talk and we can pass stuff back and forth pretty easy without having much fuss or muss. >> passing items between cells involves a technique known in many jails and prisons as fishing. tulsa inmates call it cadillacing. >> you got a newspaper over there? >> i got a puzzle i'm sending. >> inmates tie objects to string and send them back and forth under cell doors. >> he made good burritos last night and sent me a couple. they of the bomb. >> you can send them through the door? >> under the door.
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yeah. the burrito comes in a plastic bag like this, okay. he made -- he made me two of them. squashed it down, slid it underneath the door. hooked them on a string. you can bring it back to life once you get it out if under the door. tasted delicious. >> yeah, i had to smash the hell out of them -- >> i put them all back in shape. >> did you really? that's good because i was thinking i was ruining the damn thing. >> you give me the recipe, okay? >> huh? >> you got to give me the recipe. >> maxwell tries to keep his spirit up but says thoughts of brandon's upcoming trial for second-degree murder weigh heavily on him. he recently asked jail officials to allow him a brief visit with brandon. as the segregation inmate and escapee, maxwell is considered a security risk. >> there is a real possibility that as bad as i don't want to think about it, we may never see each other again. >> once a week, marks well is
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able to see his youngest daughter, echo, along with her mother, mary jo. they've just arrived at the jail for a visit. mary jo are divorced but maintain a friendship. both rim are here to get some questions answered about jimmy's recent escape attempt. >> he thought it was an opportunity that he would -- for a lot of time. probably cost him the rest of his life. >> who are you here to see? >> james maxwell. >> visitation to j2. i need james maxwell for a visit, please. james maxwell. go ahead. j2. >> i think it's so stupid. i can't understand his thought process. he's a grown man, i guess he thinks he knows what he's doing. >> he's a knucklehead. always has been. >> while mary jo visits brandon, echo goes to see her father. these visitations have been the
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routine since he was a little girl. >> i'm kind -- she was a little girl. i'm kind of used to it. counting on seeing him behind glass or going through security to see him. my dad's been here a long time. i hate it for him. you don't want to see anybody that you love locked up. but he wouldn't know how to act if he was out here anyway. my brother being locked up now bothers me a little more just because he's my little brother. it's hard to know what i would say to my father because i wouldn't want to hurt his feelings, but it's his fault. it's his fault that my little brother is here. >> hey, sweetie. what are you doing? >> hey. >> you look so beautiful. >> thank you. you look handsome yourself.
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>> well, you're my daughter. you have to say that. >> what were you thinking? don't you think -- >> what do you mean what was i thinking? >> don't you think you're getting too old to be jumping into this stuff? >> i mean, i broke my shoulder in the process. i mean, i'm obviously getting too old to be jumping fences. but i'm so tired of doing time, you know that. i just wanted to be out there with you guys and, you know, i just wanted to be free, you know that. you know -- i'm tired of being locked up. i'm tired of being in jail, in prison, and -- i don't know what else to say. i get discouraged and things don't work as fast as i wanted them to. i got more time than i expected or -- or -- i don't know. i don't want to be an old man getting out and miss everything again with everybody again, you know what i mean? i'm upset, don't get me wrong, that i got caught.
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i wanted to be at the lake this summer. you know what i mean, i wanted to be a vision to y'all with blonde hair. but i might get the chance to see brandon. being here for him, being able to -- being able to say some things for him that nobody else is going to say, for me to's almost fair trade. >> probably happened for some reason, you know. >> i never should have got caught that fast. that would have never happened if it was divine intervention, i'm telling you that right now. >> something's up with that, huh? >> i don't know why things are happening the way they're happening. i can't figure out how i got caught that fast. we all grow, we grow up, you know what i mean? >> coming up, jimmy maxwell finds out if jail officials give
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we're going to go get jimmy maxwell. >> for security reasons, tulsa county jail detention officers never alert high-risk inmates like jimmy maxwell as to when or why they're leaving their cells. >> he'll be cuffed up in a black box and be escorted down for us. >> you going to take me out, huh? >> yeah, we're going to take you out. >> take me out with burgers and fries? field trip. >> oh. hey, boy. >> hey.
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it's good to see you. it's going to be all right, you know that, right? yes, it is, i promise you. >> jimmy and his son, brandon, have not seen each other in three years. while jimmy says his legendary status as one of oklahoma's most feared inmates has served him well in prison, it's cost him his ability to father his son. now with brandon in prison, jimmy offers advice. >> no matter how it goes, you're going to have time to do -- don't let this define you. don't let prison define you. if there is any light at the end of the tunnel, it's so, so, so small that they just make the prison their world and their home. i did that. you get caught into living in the pent. this is my -- the penitentiary. this is my home. this is where i live. when you stop caring -- one day i was looking through my photo album, and his pictures of you
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and echo. i flipped through there and flipped through there. and you got older and older and you was almost teenagers. i just realized that -- how much i'd let you down. and i mean, i spent all this time in here trying to be -- look out for other people and look out for mine, look out for -- you know, fit in here -- penitentiary, penitentiary, penitentiary. you know, it was -- you know, i realize that it was you guys that needed me the most. i let you down. you know, man, i'm a dumb ass. and i've learned through the years that -- the years that we wasted apart that there is a light no matter how dim it may seem. it's hard to watch through the tunnel and go for the light. it's easier to not give a
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[ bleep ]. i'm going to tell you this now, i know you. and i can see the water in your eyes even when you're smiling, and i know how much pain and how much anguish you're going through now. i don't want to say your whole life gone. if you get 20, 25, whatever, i'm going call that a blessing. if you get lucky like that, then you need to walk this walk and walk straight out that door and not come back like this over and over again. >> i don't want to get caught up in that neither. that's not my plachbl if never has been my plan. -- my plan. it never has been my plan. we get discouraged. we're human, we're men. we get discouraged. we've got to pull ourselves out and keep our eyes on the tunnel, on the light. >> as far as the escape stuff, maybe that's not what i was meant to do. god or whoever did not seem fit for me to get away.
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i am not upset with being caught. i mean -- that's not exactly true. i am a little upset about being caught. to be honest, i'm glad i'm here for you right now. >> everything does happen for a reason. it's obvious sitting where we're at, this all happened for a reason. we both needed it. i can't express to you how much we both needed this. >> as the visit draws to a close, the father and son have final chance to be like other fathers and sons. >> put a little weight on since the last time i saw you. that's ripple thursday, bud. >> yeah. yeah. >> i think our time's about up, son.
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