introducing a bill that would do just that. >> i think every week that goes by, it becomes apparent that the problems inherent in the way this website operates are very significant. all i'm calling for is a delay on that requirement until the general accounting office of the united states certifies that the website is up and working and functioning and has been functioning for six consecutive months. >> and we're hearing more about those issues leading up to the disastrous rollout. the associated press, builders of obama's health website saw red flags. then there's the "washington post" reporting just days before the launch during a test that the site crashed when a few hundred people tried to use that site at the same time. and when the site launched on october 1st, the first problem starting right after midnight when 2,000 people tried to log on and the site locked up again. surrounded by people who already enrolled in obama care, the president defended his signature accomplishment in the rose garden. >> the affordable care act is not just a website, it's much

more. for the vast majority of americans, for 85% of americans who already have health insurance through your employer or medicare or medicaid, you don't need to sign up for coverage through a website at all. >> i want to bring in our company. jonathan allen and jackie kucinich. jonathan, starting with you, that speech 27 minutes long, right? did it help or hurt? >> i don't think it helped much. at the end of the day, it's 22 days into this debacle. this is the central piece of the health care law. you have to be able to get young, healthy people to sign up for this. you have to have the penalty, the individual mandate as marco rubio wants to delay that. you need to get that in and kicking for this whole program to work. and to downplay it as a technical glitch when you really have something so strongly at the heart is i think a problem. >> how could he have made it into a help instead of a hurt? >> fixing it is the big thing and he pointed to that and

others have pointed to that. i think the bigger problem for the president is that he started off saying it wasn't as big of a problem. well, this is a volume issue. everybody wants to sign up for it. and then the story shifts to, no, actually this is a real problem that we need to fix over a 22-day period. i think that's the biggest problem for him. if it gets up and running in the next week, this will be a blip. if it takes two or three months, it could really ham strung the health care law. >> jackie, dana milbank, your colleague wrote this. not since the ginsu knife cut through an aluminum can and still sliced through a tomato has america seen a pitch quite like the one president obama delivered, end quote. here's more of the president's speech here. >> you can get your questions answered by real people 24 hours a day in 150 different languages. the phone number for these call centers is 1-800-318-2596. i want to repeat that.

1-800-318-2596. jackie, did you get the numbers, first of all, and second of all, what did you think of what he said? did he need more details on what the exact fixes are and when those would be done? >> right. i think that's what that speech lacked was detail. we don't know who's coming in to fix this. they said they're going to be tech professionals, but who are these people? what exactly are the problems? of course repeating the number over and over again did open him up to a bit of poking fun. you get knives if you call right now in the next 20 minutes. but again, i think the problem was the lack of transparency that has been with this, that has gone along with this rollout is an even bigger problem for the white house because the drip, drip, drip of all of these problems, the red flags, the contractors, i'm sure we'll hear more from this energy and commerce committee hearing on thursday. again, these things are what's going to hurt them. if they just got out there and told everybody, maybe it would

be a little bit less pain. >> okay. you know, jonathan, marco rubio, as we played a little sound at the top of this segment, was saying he wants to delay this. he's going to be introducing a bill. and we look at some of the polls. there's a new poll that shows 56% believe the website problems are part of a broader problem here. we're three weeks into what could be a six-month process. but when we look at that, is it too early then to be making judgments, looking at that time frame? >> i think it's perfectly reasonable to make the judgment that the obama administration was not ready to competently implement this when it launched. it's such an important piece of the overall health care law, and matters to so many americans, particularly those that the law is aimed at helping in terms of getting people insured who are currently uninsured. so from that perspective it's not too early to make a judgment. it is, however, too early to make a judgment about whether or not the law will work eventually and whether or not i think there needs to be a delay in the individual mandate. republicans are pointing out appropriately that it's hard to

fine somebody for not signing up for health insurance if they're not able to do it on the website. at some point that's going to become a huge problem for the administration. three weeks into the six-month window it's probably not there yet. >> and jay carney saying that's not going to happen right now as of yet. jackie, on the other hand, you've got the state exchanges. kentucky, for instance, they seem to be working okay. the governor there saying that the web is signing up 1,000 people per day. and here's a democratic governor, steve beshear, on that. >> let me just give a piece of unsolicited advice to the critics and, honestly, to the news media. take a deep breath. you know, this system is going to work. the only thing that really isn't working right now on the federal level is the website. i'll guarantee you that whether it's a week from now, a month from now, two months from now, they'll get it up and they'll get it working. people will be signing up. >> so that democratic governor has a lot of confidence in this getting done. are we making really too much of

this entire process as having such difficulty out of the gate? >> well, i think it depends on how long this goes on. i think jonathan said that. if this goes on for a couple of weeks, no one will remember it in two years. if this stretches out and goes on and on and on, they're going to start running into dead loin probl -- deadline problems and this is the public face for a lot of young people that they need to sign up for insurance. so if young people keep on going on this website and it's not working, it's going to hurt the whole system so they need to get this fixed fast if they want this to be a blip on the radar rather than something that keeps going. >> i want to bring in congressman karen bass, a democrat from california. thanks for being with us here today, representative. you know i want to just share a little bit of what speaker boehner said yesterday after the speech. he said this, quote, if the president is frustrated by the mounting failures of his health care law, it wasn't apparent today. americans are looking for accountability but what the

president offered today was little more than self congratulations. instead of answers, we got well worn talking points. instead of explanations we got excuses. either the president doesn't grasp the scale of the law's failures -- what's your response to that. >> i think it's very important that we figure out what's wrong with the system and get it up and running. just like you had the governor on a few minutes ago. states that are supportive of the law, that are doing everything they can to make sure they provide insurance for their population, things are going okay. the rollout in california has been okay, there's been a couple of glitches, but as the president pointed out, there's a lot of other aspects to the law for people who are already insured that are extremely important, such as people being allowed to continue coverage if they have pre-existing conditions. so what is broken needs to be fixed right away, but it certainly isn't reason to say we need to scrap the whole affordable care act. >> why do you think here,

representative, the administration isn't giving us the numbers, such as how many people signed up. president obama yesterday really didn't explain what the problems were specifically. >> well, again, i'm not sure what the problems are. i'm not sure how technical they are. and then i think one of the issues, because this has been an issue for california as well, is how you document how many people have applied. so california has in the first couple of weeks over half a million people access the website. and california is beginning to report numbers, but it's going to take a few weeks before the numbers are actually accurate. so i don't know if it would have made better sense for him to just throw numbers out there, but i think what's most important is that this be fixed right away, because it is unacceptable how it happened so far. >> we're looking at the implementation and that's what we're focusing on at the moment. we've looked at the idea of exchanges and they have been around for more than a decade right now. the president even comparing it to amazon.com, which has also

been around about that long. some say this is more a management problem and not a technical problem. what do you think? >> well, i think that we'll probably get to the bottom of that, which one it is. i suspect it's probably both. but having said that, again, i don't think that's an excuse to call for secretary sebelius' head. and so what we're going to have on the hill in the next couple of weeks is a whole series of hearings wanting to essentially have her fired. but i think it's mighty ironic for my republican colleagues, who shut down the government because they didn't want to see health care go forward now complaining that it's not working well. they need to make up their minds. i do think that the health care reform law needs to be supported and we need to do everything we can to make sure that it works. not just use it as an excuse. >> representative, if not kathleen sebelius, should some contractors be released? this is a $400 million project. this is not a small amount of money. >> absolutely. and you know what? i definitely think contractors

need to be looked at. but i have to tell you, i think contractors need to be looked at in a lot of different areas of our government, as we've seen, even on the intelligence side. so i think that contract needs to be examined. again, we need to get to the root of the problem. but the goal should be fixing it so that people can sign up. not using the problems as an excuse to essentially attack the administration or attack the secretary. >> congresswoman karen bass, thank you so much for your time today. jonathan over to you. how bad might this get during this congressional meeting when you see kathleen sebelius -- she could be asked some very tough questions, as the congresswoman was saying, being asked to resign here. could it reach that point? >> it should be -- it should be a little easier for her hopefully for the administration that she's testifying next week instead of this week. she declined republican offers to get her to come this week. look, i think the bigger problem for the administration is not the republicans calling on her to resign, not the frustration from republicans but the

frustration from democrats and for -- you know, you asked the congresswoman, she said it might be both technical and management problems. i think that at the end of the day you're seeing democrats distance themselves from the administration's implementation of this as fast as they possibly can. they don't want people to think -- >> it compounds the difficulty for the administration, doesn't it? bipartisan criticism. >> they're saying it's not the law we wrote, it's the administration's ability to put it into effect. that ultimately will be the biggest problem for barack obama and for kathleen sebelius. i should note just as a form of disclosure, i have a family member who is a civil servant in hhs. i just wanted to say that, as i talk about kathleen sebelius. >> special kathleen sebelius? >> it is not. >> just wanted to set that straight. jackie, to you. we look at kathleen sebelius and are talking about her. does she need to put up a fall didn't i, whether it's a contractor, a tech person or someone higher up in the administration handling the integration or technological challenges that they faced?

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a d.c. delayed september jobs report just came out. it finds that employers held back on hiring in the weeks leading up to the october 1st government shutdown. the labor department says 148,000 jobs were added last month, below the expected 180,000. but that was enough to lower the

unemployment rate a notch to 7.2%, the lowest in nearly five years. let's bring in university of maryland economist, peter morici and also jim tankersley. good tuesday to both of you. peter, you first here on this. 148,000 is disappointing, some are saying. how much of a factor do you think the government shutdown played in hiring decisions leading up to that? >> well, it obviously played some role, but it cut both ways. certainly people didn't put on full-time jobs if they owned the restaurant or the cafeteria across the street from health and human services. however, many probably went, if they needed help, to part-time people. if you have multiple part-time people it may give the number a boost. i think that overall, you shouldn't attribute too much to the shutdown in these numbers. october, that will be different. there we'll see an impact. >> when we actually have the shutdown. so you're looking at the 7.2% as well, peter, and saying let's just wait. >> yeah. we've got to remember 91,000

people chose not to participate in labor force, additional chose not to participate in the labor force, look for a job and so forth. and the number that enter the labor force was appreciably lower. one of the reasons that unemployment has fallen through this recovery or the most important reason has been the decline in the adult participation rate. if we had the same adult participation rate we had when the recovery began, unemployment would still be pretty close to 10%. >> key consideration that you're consistent in bringing up. jim, we still don't have the october numbers because those october numbers as peter was saying will include the shutdown. with the impending three deadlines in d.c., then, is the worst yet to come? >> i mean probably. let's be honest, what we just saw here was a total waste of an opportunity for congress. they basically fought over the wrong thing. the economy appears to have been slowing down and instead of having a big knockdown dragout fight over, hey, how are we going to boost growth, boost job

decree a little, we had it over government spending levels and obama care and all these things that have actually -- the fight turned out to drag on the economy a bit. so i think it's going to be a bad couple of months for the economy here, on top of a bad trend. >> peter, a look now at who's hiring and who is firing. professional and business services gained 32,000, 22,000 jobs were added in government, 20,000 in construction, but we look at that number, 13,000 jobs were lost in the leisure and hospitality industries. what do you make of those numbers in terms of the recovery? >> one of the things we were expecting before we had a shutdown, you know, before be -- we expected to have a shutdown was that the third quarter would be slower. and we're going to get that number very shortly. we're expecting growth of less than 2%. one of the things that goes with that is less business travel and that's what you're seeing there. >> in the leisure numbers. >> and hospitality, right. >> got it. you know, jim, we got that bank rate survey out today that finds

nearly three out of four are limiting their spending either because their incomes are flat or because they're worried about the economy. what does that mean for the busy holiday shopping season? >> well, there have been fears even before the shutdown that the holiday shopping season would not be meeting expectations this year. and then the shutdown and the threats of a debt ceiling disaster seemed to put more fear into that mix. so now i think it would be nice if we could see a rally here and people spend some more money now that they're back at work, particularly government workers, but i would not expect a robust holiday shopping season compared to expectations. >> okay. so important as we all know to the economy. peter mauricy, jim tankersly, thank you so much. an american family in kansas city is wondering if a child found in greece is their daughter. then 10-month-old lossa irwin was kidnapped. the irwins are more than 10,000 calls and e-mails.

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developing now, looks like congressman darrell issa from california is getting involved in the rollout over healthcare.gov, the obama care website. issa sending a letter asking for documents and more briefings related to the rollout. in that letter he writes something may have been done, quote, to conceal obama care's effect on increasing health insurance premiums. that letter also cites briefings the commit he has already had with government contractors. we just learned yesterday health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius will testify before a congressional committee next week. in the wake of the government shutdown democrats are feeling more optimistic about their chances of taking back the house. 63% of the public says they have an unfavorable view of the republican party, an all-time

low for the survey. house democrats also used the shutdown as a tool to rake in campaign cash. they outraised the republican counterparts for the first time this year by more than $3 million. i'm joined by robert hoops and republican pollster kristen anderson. kristen, money wins races and all three of us can probably say that fairly comfortably. the dnc also outraising the rnc last month, something that it rarely does. do you see this lead, this gap drawing in favor of the democrats? >> i think what these polls really tell republicans is that they need to have a message and something to be for in these coming elections. that they need to give voters a sense of what do you get with a republican majority and how is it different from what you've gotten over these last few weeks. the good news for republicans is that we've still got a year to go before these elections. remember, a year ago today we were gearing up to watch mitt romney and president barack obama debate in the foreign policy debate. a year is a lifetime in

politics. >> it can be. >> what might that message be here, kristen, that you're talking about that the republicans need to come together on? >> so i think they need to focus not just on what's broken, but what they would want to do to fix it. i think we need to be a party that's not just the opposition but also the alternative. i think that means talking about some of the solutions that conservatives might see in terms of health care. i think that means really also focusing on jobs and the economy. today you saw jobs numbers come out where labor force participation is still flat. what are we going to do to get people re-engaged in the workforce. i think focusing on those sorts of things are where republicans can find a good sweet spot to change this political conversation and take advantage of the structural advantage they might have in 2014. >> go ahead, robert. >> i was going to say here's the problem -- one of the problems that republicans have is the american people have gotten a sense of what republican leadership looks like in the takeover of the house. when you run a branch of the government, when you own a part

of the branch of the united states government, people look at you differently. and what they have seen is a hyperpartisanship, the gridlock, these are big problems for the republican party. so democrats are outraising the republicans. they're eight points up in a generic ballot. and the political handicappers are starting to move democratic seats into safer democratic seats and that is all about momentum, right. >> let's talk about some of those handicappers. the koch report saying so many seats shifted toward the democrats after the shutdown. there are more gop seats in play than the democrats need to retake the house, that would be 17 seats. can democrats keep up that momentum? what kristen is saying, a year is a long time. >> well, so momentum is huge in politics, like in sports. and the other fact is that one of the fundamentals of politics is when your opponent is in a freefall, get out of the way. so the democrats are clearly benefitting from the dysfunction

in the republican party. the "washington post" poll, the most alarming number in that poll for republicans, 63% disapprove of republicans. 40% strongly disapprove. moving somebody from strongly disapprove, you then have to get them to neutral before you can get them to positive. and that many voters, that dissatisfied is a huge problem. if you're not raising the money, you're not having the candidates, the quality candidates that you need and you're running in these predominantly white, safe, ho homogeneous districts, it makes it very hard for the national party to find a voice in these swing districts that are more sensitive and tuned in to what america really looks like. >> kristen, who -- >> that's a big problem. >> i'll agree with robert that the brand numbers are troubling. if you look at what's driving them, take a look at this whole debate around the shutdown. on one hand you have a lot of republicans who said i think

this is the wrong strategy, i don't know that we should go this way. i'd like to get back to work and let's move forward. >> kristen, how long will those that have shifted, as we talk about those polls, how long will they stay there before they come back, if you will, to support the gop and be more favorable when asked these questions about their party? >> so it depends on what's driving it. as you have some folks that think the shutdown was the wrong strategy, you have other folks that think giving in was the wrong strategy. you could be a republican and be dissatisfied for a variety of reasons. i think the question is how do we handle these next few deadlines and to what extent to people feel like this affected their lives. only about 11% of americans thought the shutdown had a major effect on their lives so memories might be relatively short around this issue and that's republicans really need to hope for. >> robert, really quickly. >> the achilles heel is not the shutdown, it's their position on fundamental policy issues that are just at odds with the majority of americans. these process issues in

washington don't always stick, but these fundamental substantive issues are really what's at the core of the republican problem, i think. >> robert, kristen, thank you. checking the news feed this morning, two prominent human rights groups say that u.s. drone strikes abroad are killing more civilians than u.s. -- the united states has admitted so far. humans rights watch investigated six air strikes in yemen going back to 2009. they found 57 of the 82 people killed were civilians, including a pregnant woman and three children. amnesty international looked at nine attacks in pakistan in 2012 and 2013. it highlighted just one example of a 68-year-old grandmother killed while farming with her grandchildren last year. new video this morning shows the moment a few male suicide bomber attacked a bus in southern russia. at least six people were killed. that attack was part of secular violence in the north region but raises fear of more attacks as russia prepares for the winter olympics in sochi next year.

michelle knight is telling her story of what life was like living with ariel castro for a decade. she spoke with dr. phil about her time in the house and why she thinks she was the most hated victim in the house. that interview will air next month. the women she was held with, amanda berry and gina dejesus are also telling their story in a new book. the naacp has tapped former congressional clerk lorraine miller to be its interim president and ceo. she's the first woman to ever lead the 104-year-old organization ooerchrganization, on an interim basis. she will take over for ben jealous. jealous steps down at the end of the year. a take a look at this, a woman walking off the platform crashing onto the tracks. the 31-year-old said she fell asleep on a bench and is possibly sleep walking here. less than a minute later people rushed over to help with some jumping onto the tracks to help her out. she was treated for an arm

injury. a big day for tablet lovers. cnbc's mandy drury is here with what's moving your money on this day. all right, so what do we expect? how many tablets? what are they. >> reporter: it's all very exciting for those people who like apple products. we've got new versions of the full-sized ipad and the ipad mini. of course just in time for the year-end holiday shopping season. and the ipad 5 is expected to be thinner and lighter. the ipad mini 2 is likely to include a high resolution retina display, possibly with a fingerprint sensor, and the color scheme of both those ipads is expected to match the iphone 5s. we had the space gray, champagne gold and also the silver. we may also get a new macbook pro. but here's the thing. we're talking evolutionary and not revolutionary. in other words, basically an upgrade similar to the iphone 5s. but as for what's happening in the tablet space, apple

obviously has the biggest share of the global tablet market, it's got 33% followed by samsung with 19% and then there's all those others, there's acis, lenovo. but it's a day of lots of presents. you have microsoft's new surface 2 and surface pro 2 tablets and it's got to remain to be seen how much of a serious threat that is. also nokia's hand set business soon to be part of microsoft coming out with six new devices, including their new first tablet computer. so if you're into gadgets, today is quite your day. >> holy hannah, we can have a tablet for every day of the week, right? netflix, more subscribers than hbo now? >> mm-hmm. as a result of that they came out with its earnings and they graud ru quad ruped. they attracted 1.3 new u.s.

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trying to lose a few pounds? weight loss apps are not for you. a new study shows while weight loss apps are great for meal planning and monitoring nutrition, they don't provide enough motivation and encourage maenlt. another community is coming together in the wake of a school shooting. this time it is nevada. police say a student armed with a semiautomatic handgun opened fire at sparks middle school yesterday morning. they also say he killed a math teacher, shot two students and turned the gun on himself. the math teacher is being hailed a hero. 45-year-old michael landsabout your -- landsbury was a former marine who served two tours in afghanistan. he stepped in front of a stuntd in the shooter's path and tried to get him to hand over the gun. >> he was telling him to stop and put the gun down and then the kid, he yelled out no, like yelling at him.

and then he shot him. he was calm and he was holding out his hand like put the gun in my hand, like to just stop. >> the executive director of americans for responsible solutions, the organization founded by former congresswoman gabrielle gifford its and her husband, mark kelly. it's so tough to see students have to explain stories like that, and parents are probably asking how is it after newtown that we have this student going on campus, getting a gun and then going there and shooting this teacher, so we are hearing right now. >> yeah. it's just a tragic situation. i mean, you know, it seems that we had a young teenager yesterday who was suffering from some sort of mental illness and potentially was bullied and his recourse was to somehow gain access to a weapon and conduct a crime that's forever changed that community and ended a teacher's life. it's again a tragic situation in this country. >> what is your thought here, is

this about gun control or is this about school safety? >> i mean it's always about -- about finding a way in this country for people to own guns, use them responsibly and keep our community safer, but we're not seeing that trend. what we're instead seeing is these mass shootings, these shootings in public environments that are to some extent torturing people, and families are having to be worried that their children are going to go off to school and not come home that night. there's a lot that congress can do to address these issues, but so far there's just been inaction, and it's -- i think it's really frustrating to a lot of americans. >> yeah, some might say it's just completely at this moment being ignored by some of those who have responsibility to watch over it. so then what's your strategy to up the political ante? >> you know, we don't -- i don't think about it that way. i mean it's another -- another

life was taken yesterday in a prominent shooting and dozens more yesterday i'm sure of names that we're not talking about today. so for us it's about continuing to educate the country, but even more than that, talking to congress about things that they can do, helping our elected leaders find the courage to do what's right. and to make decisions that benefit our public safety and don't just benefit their next election. that's been the problem so far. >> so, pia, what's the opening here for you to do that? >> well, we're very focused on educating, like i said, these elected officials. not just background checks, which over 90% of the country supports and would be a very easy and simple fix to this problem. but there's more that we can do also. getting more mental health resources in schools, so that teachers and counselors might have identified this young person as someone that needed help. or dealing with bullying. this is a topic that this country has been dealing with

for a couple of years now and more needs to be done. fixing our system to make it even better, the system that conducts the background checks. but background checks is the simplest, easiest thing to do and doesn't infringe on anyone's second amendment rights. so we're looking at a lot of these issues, but really more importantly just wishing that these elected officials would recognize that we need to do something. >> pia, executive director of americans for responsible solutions, thank you for your time. today's tweet of the day comes from nevada senator harry reid. he says, quote, michael landsbury, veteran, wonderful math teacher, admired by students, died a hero. heart healthy, huh?!

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legalized recreational pot may be heading to the northeast. marijuana advocates are taking the fight now to maine.

in two weeks the state's capitol will decide whether to legalize possession for adults 21 and over. the measure does not decide on whether purchasing or selling it is legal. the vote follows victories in washington and colorado for pot advocates. a victory in portland is widely seen by supporters as one of the first dominos to fall to gain broader acceptance on the east coast. joined now by the director of project sam, smart approaches to marijuana, and author of "reefer sanity, seven great myths about marijuana" and dan, director of federal policies at the marijuana policy project. dan, starting with you here, you support marijuana legalization. why might portland be the linchpin to the east coast and wider acceptance there? >> well, we're betting that voters in portland, just like voters in colorado and washington and elsewhere across this country are tired of the public policy disaster that is marijuana prohibition. they're tired of seeing countless tax dollars used

arresting and prosecuting 750,000 adults every year for sdp that's safer than alcohol and they're ready for a smarter approach. the initiative on the ballot is a prelude of what we expect to be a statewide niinitiative in 2016. >> kevin, do you see this as a first step of wider acceptance on the east coast? >> it's possible. there's this multimillion dollar special interest lobby that's trying to essentially create what's going to be the new tobacco industry. this is why folks like patrick kennedy, david frohm, are coming together and saying we should have a smarter approach. we don't have to legalize sdp and really create a new industry targeting kids. i'm struck by the discussion about school safety and about the mass shootings as of recently. and, you know, the connection with marijuana and mental illness i think is something that we should focus on. it's something that the kennedy forum will be focused on. >> this is just possession.

>> actually the law in portland will not set up the retail stores that you're going to see in washington. it's not going to change much. portland are not being jailed in portland city jail for marijuana. i think the smarter approach is education and treatment but not necessarily creating a new tobacco industry. >> dan, recreational use of pot is legal in two states as we were mentioning and your organization wants the same in ten other states. even though marijuana use is illegal on the federal level, the justice department right now saying it will not prosecute pot users in colorado and washington. here's the head of the international association of chiefs of police. take a listen. >> inordinate profits are made by law breakers and children and communities continue to be harmed. this decision by the u.s. department of justice in our view will open the flood gates for those who want to legalize marijuana throughout the country. >> so address here what kevin was bringing up, if you can,

dan. is the portland strategy just the first of many steps to get that retail sale of pot into the state? >> yeah, you know, kevin is worried about big marijuana. but the fact of the matter is we already have big marijuana. it's called the cartels. voters in washington and colorado chose to take marijuana out of the hands of law breakers, out of the hands of criminals, out of the hands of murderous drug cartels who were responsible for 60,000 deaths in mexico and put it in the hands -- put marijuana, the trade and the industry in the hands of tax-paying, law-abiding licensed businesses that are required to obey regulations like carding potential buyers to ensure they're 21 or over, advertising restrictions, just basic simple restrictions we expect in this industry. >> you know every single advertising restriction that was focused on in colorado and washington has been struck down by this new industry that's ready to pounce at any chance they can get to hook people in order to increase their bottom line. you also know that drug cartels don't get the majority of their

funding from marijuana. they get the majority of their funding from meth, cocaine, heroin, human trafficking. unless we want to legalize all of that, i think it's a different conversation. >> kevin, dan, we'll have to leave it right there. appreciate your time. that wraps up this hour of "jansing & co." thanks for stopping by. thomas roberts is up next. how's it going, thomas? >> good morning, everybody. the agenda next hour. so break out a can of fix a flat or there must be an app for that. what are the options for the obama administration to snap the federal health care website into shape? we'll examine it. plus we'll talk with the republican texas judge who's denouncing the gop as the party of bigots and hatemongering and says he's switching to the democratic party. how do you solve a problem like maria. she's the center of a worldwide search for her biological parents. her case giving more than one u.s. couple cause for hope. that story and much more coming your way in three minutes. stick around. has never been our priority.

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you know, the nigerian e-mail scammers? they have been a lot less active lately, because they have all been hired to run the obama care website. >> there you see ted cruz and his fellow obama care opponents flexing their muscles, warming up for a fresh round of finger pointing. hi, everybody, good morning. i'm thomas roberts. topping our agenda, republicans circling and smelling blood in the water. they're wasting no time jumping on the white house admission of the rocky rollout of the health care website a day after the president acknowledged those issues and promised a fix for them. the white house is getting heat from the left, the white and the middle. including reports like this from "the washington post" that the admission moved forward with the site despite testing failures. >> he knew this date was coming and he botched it. the buck stops with him, does it not? >> we talked about gross incompetence with katrina and the buck stopped with president bush. we see a lot of similarities with the way president obama is

handling this. >> senator marco rubio is getting back into the game. he's readying a bill that would delay the next big phase of obama care because of the issues with the site. >> i think every week that goes by it becomes apparent that the problems inherent in the way this website operates are significant. i think it's going to be very difficult to reverse this in a number of weeks. >> health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius will go to capitol hill next week to testify about the rollout. that's not stalling the calls for her resignation, something the white house has flatly dismissed. >> it shouldn't be about having heads roll or firing people. not focused on making heads roll. that's not the time right now to focus on that. the time is to get these problems fixed. >> joining me right now is msnbc policy analyst and "washington post" columnist, ezra klein. as we're talking about, the republicans aren't the only ones taking a shot at the healthcare.gov website. i want to read some of the