i have enough makeup on my house to spackle a house. >> allen says flying from sunny myrtle beach, south carolina, t. our producer is a very committed fan. and chris says i think 15 feet to my couch. >> nice work. that's the commitment i'm talking about. "morning joe" starts right now. the obama care website is a disaster and i am loving it. this techno terd will be barack obama's legacy. it's his gettysburg address. if he said four score and error

404 emancipation not found. >> good morning. it's thursday, october 24th. look at that beautiful shot as this sun doesn't come up so early any more. on the set we have donny deutsch. i like that suit. still a little needy. >> just call the chairman. >> like mao. >> there's always something going on that's just a little more -- >> speaking of fashion, young men today are wearing blazers, vest and jeans. that's what the young "gq" types are. >> also john hindman. >> and in washington, i wasn't sure where you were going with that, former governor of vlt and former chairman of the

democratic national committee, howard dean. a great day to have you on again. >> i'm looking at the techno stuff. >> you were at the game. >> you went to the game? >> drove all the way back to do way too early. >> he didn't trust the women. >> like that time we came back from vegas and then did you the show in the morning. >> we had help, though. >> not quite as much of a stretch as that. >> we have a lot to get to politically. i want to do a question around the table before we launch into news about a story we have deeper in this block. because some of you don't have teens and some do. if your kids are at a party and you know there's drinking do you get your kid out of there and shut down the party or just kid your get out of there. >> you get your kid out of there

and shut down the party. you can be naive that kids won't experiment with drinking but you can't endorse it. if you're confronted you do everything as a parent to intervene. >> you go to where that party is, get your kid and shut it down? >> no, i'm not in a position to shut it down. i get my kid out of there and if i have any friends kids and also might -- i would get a hold of the parents whose house it is. >> got it. perfect. what if you're the attorney general. never mind. we'll get to that. howard dean, same question. >> i've been faced with that. >> me too. >> i would call the parents. i'm with donny. you get your own kids out and call the parents. >> i did that and i was spurned. >> when you say teen, teen can be 13 or 19. there's a big difference. your 19-year-old kid is in

college. >> underage. >> okay. we'll get to that. the maryland attorney general was in a situation like that and it's a very interesting story. but let's start with washington with the shutdown behind him. president obama is planning on traveling the country holding a series of fundraising events for house and senate democrats. with republicans down the president will help national democratic organizations capitalize on this. the president has time been calleded commander-in-chief. the hill article denies the fundraising will get in the way of the president's second term agenda. there's this conspiracy theory out there that we've given up on legislating and want to take the house but another official admitted it would be wise to focus on 2014 now saying we need the house back and the senate has a lot at stake too and we have time to get some stuff

done. today president obama is expected to call on lawmakers to tackle immigration reform. in a session defined by stalemate this 113th congress has passed just 36 laws the president has signed. last year's congress, the least productive on record passed 283 laws. public confidence abysmal. a fox news poll shows an even split of 46-47 of americans who think from a randomly selected group of people could do a better job. john, seriously, what other choice does he have but to go out and work on 2014 so something can get done whether you agree with it or not? it's not like anything went quite well this time around. >> you could say, i think some might say the obama care story deserves the president's

attention. the president thinks back on his first two years of his office when the deposition controlled the house and senate as kind of the glory days. didn't get that much done in those two years. >> it's not as much as an accomplishment when everyone is on the same side. >> but there's no question that he sees political opportunity right now. you know, even a month ago most hard headed political analysts said as bad as the shutdown is for the republicans it won't turn the house of representatives. now it looks like if you believe the forecasters, still very early. >> howard dean -- >> there's an opening here. >> i think it is opening and howard dean, given the grave situation that we just faced as a country because of a small grouch republicans who now polls are showing are losing their favorability ratings at record

numbers wouldn't the smartest strategy be to help them what they are doing to themselves which is get them out of office? >> yes. the truth is all presidents do this. george bush did it, bill clinton did it, george bush sr. did it, they go out and campaign and raise money for the party so that in off year elections your party can do well. this is not news. and the white house, of course, goes wherever the president is. he's in the plane. he has all the communications equipment. this is a nonstory and the only reason we're talking about it because the republicans have nothing else constructive to talk about it so they have to attack the president. in fairness we attacked the republicans when george bush was doing the same thing. this is just washington stuff. i do think, though, there's an opportunity to win back house to. and i actually think that the republicans could get worse before they get better because they have not solved their problems. they have 50 or 60 in transient

republicans. >> i tend to agree with governor dean the idea that the president can't go to eight or nine cocktail parties over the next months and can't conduct business is a bit ridiculous. he saw what happened with the hutdown and he believes now it's possible he can win the house and take control of the last two years of his presidency. >> most presidents can walk and chew gum at the same time. people are naive if the president won't use his office for political gains. in 2014, the republicans may lose the house but help them in 2016. conventional wisdom is i'll get primaried. these far right guys are going to get primaried out themselves or certainly not re-elected which will give republicans 2016

presidential candidates the courage through the primary process to say you know what? i don't have to bow in that direction. i can stay in my platform that will get me elected in a general election. this bottoming out in '14 will help them in '16. does that make any sense? >> i give you a fashion compliment. >> the marginal seats in the house will turn to the ones that were the last conservative districts anyway. this will have no effect on the fact that the far right will still have its greatest control over the reddest parts of the country. you're talking about marginal districts of the country. >> you don't think in any way this is a wake up call for republican candidates? you think chris christie -- besides running for president and he'll make the same mistake -- >> he has the same problems -- >> chris christie will run for president as chris christie runs for president regardless whether the right number of seats shift in the house. >> it's going to show candidates

that you don't have to kowtow in the primary process to get that spot. >> because the polls -- >> john heileman. >> hold on. >> how you do not get that point? >> the polls we're looking at yesterday show that republican party's approval ratings are at a low time low. mike lee, ted cruz, losing ground, taking the brunt of the effects, the negative effects of the shutdown. the question is will that translate in their districts? >> yes. and well -- >> donny, i think your point seems to be that to me if there were a bunch of instances in which there were either moderate republicans who primaried more conservative republicans and won or moderate republicans who got primaried by more conservative republicans and were able to hold that off that might send a message nationally but there's

no sign to me that's what's going to happen over the course of the next year. >> i believe there will be because if any moderate republican runs an intelligent campaign they can punch holes. you vote for this guy, half of your ira would have been gone. it's that simple. >> if that transpires and we can point to examples where moderate republicans hold off primary challengers in some number i'll then agree. i don't believe it will happen. >> couple more stories to get to. we'll get to obama care, which is, of course, have had a troublesome roll out creating a whole new set of concerns for democrats facing re-election next year. senators mark pryor and jean shaheen are calling for open enrollment of the president's health care law to be extended. rick nolan says president needs to man up while senator bill nelson and patrick maloney believes somebody needs to get fired.

senator nelson is not up for re-election next year. yesterday the white house indirectly responded to those concerns, pushing back the health law's first major deadline for enrollment by six weeks. shoppers will have until the end of march to sign up for insurance even if they are not actually covered yet. white house officials deny it's a delay saying nothing has changed to the individual mandate. meanwhile new polling shows americans are just as outraged as congressional democrats. according to a new fox poll 49% say the problems with the obama care website are fireable offenses. however a new gallup poll shows support for the affordable care act is up since august. approval has risen to 45% up from 41% two months ago. >> governor dean, we haven't heard from you since this all started a week ago post-shutdown. as someone who has advocated

health care reform what do you make of the rollout? >> i think it's a problem. the fundamental mistake -- first of all in fairness you have to blame the republicans for some of this. they delayeds much as they could. >> exactly. >> but the truth is what the obama administration should have done is divide the 36 states that are on the federal exchange newspaper to four or five regions do it the way the government does health care and put each of those regions out the bid so you don't have one single contractor who if they screw up screws up the whole system which is what happened. having said that, we're going to get through this. we always do. get through tech stuff. this is very common in tech rollouts. this happens all the time. the problem is she shouldn't have done a single size fits all for the 36 states. partly i have to say they had to do that because the republican

governors refused to accept exchanges. states with exchanges are doing pretty well. there's some glitches. they are not big. a lot of people can get their insurance in the 14 states that have it on exchanges. >> what do you think? >> howard you don't blame republicans for the fact that the website doesn't work? >> not directly but they did slow the process down considerably and the time does make a difference. fundamental flaw was not having multiple districts and multiple contractors working on this because then what you could have done if one contractor screwed up as this one clearly has you could actually use a different exchange in a different region. in theory this is crazy and jerry brown will be rolling over in his bed in california. in theory take the california exchanges who is pretty successful and gerry rig a solution. the california exchange has been

successful. there's a lot of things you can do to fix this. >> if the republicans continue to harp on the failing of the website they will hammer themselves. the american public can distinguish between a website and the law, two years from now costs going up and less health care for people it will be a failure. people can distinguish a technology problem from a concept problem. >> but the rollout was bad. >> it was bad. >> is it a fireable offense? >> no, i don't believe so. i wouldn't do that because at the end of the day sebelius is not overseeing a website development. if you believe in her the same way you look at jamie dimon at chase there was a mistake under his watch that means you don't take him out. there's a difference between a mistake and bad leadership and bad management. i've rolled out websites for corporations. it is not an easy process and there's a lot of stumbling along the way.

let's not separate the concept of piece of legislation and actual implementation of technology. >> let's get to this last story that i started the show with about teens drinking and parents and i want to show you a photo from a teen party in delaware. this is during senior week at a rented beach house in june. quite a bash. looks like there's some drinking there. two guys dancing with a girl on the table after being drenched with some sort of liquid. teens confirmed there was a lot of drinking. if you look closely there's a man with a while shirt holding up a cell phone. that's attorney general douglas gantsler. he said he was there looking for his son. so gantsler said he had no business stopping the party saying assume for purposes of discussion there was widespread drinking at this party. the question is do i have moral other people's children at beach

week in another state? i say no. >> yeah. the mistake he made is you call the parents. and that's what you do. clearly he is stumb technology through this. >> here are critics who wonder if that version of the attorney general who made that statement ever met this version take at that look. >> hi. i'm attorney general doug gansler. alarmingly kids typically begin to experiment with alcohol around age 12. parents you're the leading influence on your teen's decision not to drink. it's never too early to talk with your kids about smart ways to say no like these young marylanders. >> drinking isn't cool. >> drinking has no meaning. >> you're only hurting yourself. >> for more ways to say no alcohol is asklisten,learn.com.

>> they were under the impression they rented to it several families. that looks to me like that guy was being a parent and was doing his best. don't know if he called the parents. i've done that. it hasn't worked. but i've run after kids at parties. i've even talked to kids about it. and everything that i've done to try to get involved in a situation like this has ended very badly. >> usually the other parents it's not my kid. >> they do not believe you. you're trying to call. i've been here. it's unbelievable. >> not good for him especially after you see that ad. there's nor the story. the "baltimore sun" reports this morning that gansler was part of a group of parents who paid for this beach house for their kids. they had two fathers to serve as chaperones every night. they laid down rules.

no driving whatsoever. no girls behind closed bedroom doors and no hard alcohol. they let them drink beer. there were parents assigned every night to chaperone the party. he was in fact one of the parents. >> alex just tried to think of a critical question. let me tell you something, your kids are 1. good luck when they are 17, 18 and 19. it's so full of potholes. you have to do your best. if you do the right thing, as many times as you can. >> what about this? your kids are going to drink. these kids graduated high school. going to go to beach week. isn't it better to trent house yourself, have two parents now. >> now you're responsible. >> forbid driving, no hard alcohol and to be there and supervise it. >> if a kid gets drunk at your house and goes out and kills someone you're responsible. number two i'm not one of those

parents i know you are going to drink i rather you drink at my house. there's a lot of grays in this. you can't stop them from experimenting. >> the grays are the other parents. this guy, no, i'm just saying that is more difficult than you'll ever imagine. who knows. he could have been criticized for using his powers as attorney general to go after other people's kids. i don't know. my experience shows it's extremely convoluted and my priority is my child. >> you would have called the parents. >> have and it's a horrendous experience. >> the parents are usually bigger jerks than the kids. >> i'm not saying that. >> it changes the situation if he's the host. if he called the parents and there's 100 kids at his house he's going to call all the parents at his house. he's the official chaperone it makes no sense.

presumably there was some element -- >> i'm saying right or wrong i have a lot of sympathy for the guy. probably trying to do the right thing in a chaotic situation. welcome to raising teens. howard, you want to chime in? >> you have to live with the law. the problem that he has is he's the attorney general of the state and so, i don't think this is a ridiculous solution. he's trying to deal with the fact he knows his kids are going to drink. but because he's the attorney general that's a problem. >> yeah. i know. i know ultimately that's true. but i think it's a really interesting issue. coming up on "morning joe" nbc news political director chuck todd will join us. also james peterson. we'll talk to co-founder of twitter biz stone and allison wolf has a book of working women. it's a fascinating conversation. up next the top stories in the

political playbook. first kaur first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> as far as the temperatures go continue looking at the coldest morning we've seen since last winter. not brutally cold but you need the winter coat in many cases, a hat and gloves. great lakes all the way through the northeast is where the coldest air will remain today and through the next couple of days. little bit of snow and rain showers near the great lakes. not a lot of travel trouble. 37 in chicago. big cities in northeast down to mid-atlantic from the low 40s where the burbs are in the 30s. freese warnings for tonight. end of the growing season. first hard killing freeze for areas of kentucky, tennessee, missouri, illinois, much of ohio, portions of pennsylvania. any plants you want to extend their life bring them inside. tonight they won't make it if you leave them outside. as far as the goes today all the major airports are looking just fine. looks to be a very quiet day

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okay. let's take a look at the morning papers now. at 26 past the hour. from our parade of papers "the washington post" german chancellor angela merkel made a phone call to president obama after hearing accusations that the u.s. government monitored her cell phone. the white house assured merkel the u.s. isn't currently tapping her phone and doesn't plan to. merkel condemns such practices and if prove convenient true it's unacceptable. >> what they said we're not doing it now or doing it in the future. no comment whether they did it in the past.

>> how awkward is that. >> columbus dispatch the man behind the viral video on youtube where he confessed to killing a man while drinking and driving in june was sentenced yesterday, 22-year-old matthew cordell will serve 6 1/2 years behind prison. his license suspended for life. in a statement during the hearing he said it should have been me. >> "usa today" pope francis suspended a bishop from germany that spent more than $42 million to renovate his residence. what? >> sounds like donny's townhouse. >> nicknamed the bishop of bling. he's accused of spending $20,000 on a bathtub. >> anything more than 15 -- >> the bishop's residence

spoor sports a conference table with a $34,000 and a private chapel that was $4 million. >> do you have a private chapel >> i think of my bedroom as a chapel. >> did he just say that? >> i think he did. >> before 6:30 a.m. the view has not wrapped up so maybe it will go unnoticed. >> that was a jolt of sexual energy and self-regard in the same double shot. >> oh, my lord. >> just came out. sometimes i want just comes out an you have to live with it. >> ah-ha. >> instead of the chapel the hot tub which to time -- "l.a. times" a federal court jury says bank of america is liable for

mortgage freud. bank of america accarried countryied in 2008. a program called the hustle rewarded employees with bonuses based on the number of mortgages they approved. the telegraph from the uk is abuzz after the cyhristening of prince george. while the 3-month-old prince does have seven god parents prince harry and pipa middleton were not on the list. >> that's why they are abuzz. >> prince george was baptized in the traditional lily font which is part of the crown jewels. he also wore an exact replica of the 172-year-old christening robe. i'm not at that royal watcher. >> exact replica -- >> okay have a good life.

>> prince harry and pipa snubbed. they got snubbed as god parents. >> that's a big deal. imagine your brother has a kid and there's seven people that's god parents. >> my brother had a kid and i'm not the godmother. >> i just don't get it. i don't care and i don't get it. >> don't get it. >> get on board, donny. >> "chicago tribune," social network pinterest confirms they are now worth $3.8. they hope to use the new capital to expand globally. pinterest is an on live scrapbook. >> "wall street journal," as if flying wasn't uncomfortable enough some airlines are trying to fit more passengers on each plane. several major airlines will add an extra seat to each row on

boeing 777s. this drastically reduces seat width. by comparison -- >> complicated graphic. >> people will have to buy two seats. >> movie theater 25. stadium seat 19. 19 at first class -- 17. that's tight. >> thank you. >> it's very hard to understand that graphic. >> if you let me continue. >> he's done a good job. >> that's going tight. >> tight. good luck with that. >> 17 inches. smaller than a stadium seat. you know how tight those are now. >> maybe we're just getting bigger. let's go to the political playbook. the president, the ceo of politico not just politico but capital new york -- >> he's storming the city.

>> you should see my new porcelain tub. go to home depot through those nice sliding doors they have the finest collection. >> do you have a chapel in your new home? >> donny can go there. >> all right. let's take a look at the piece you guys have up. you're looking at how the republican party has sort of reconsidering its tactics and what it may have learned from the shutdown and how to approach obama care as well? >> on one side mitch mcconnell saying no way we'll use the possibility of a shutdown to keep this defund health care going. you don't have john boehner saying it. he's sitting back not ruling anything in, not ruling anything out. behind-the-scenes everybody thinks it's ludicrous for them to do a repeat of the last strategy which took away the attention of the rollout thing which is one of the biggest debacles of president obama's

presidency. they are hoping it goes bad and not worry about the right-wingers. >> what happens on this next deadline, january 15th. you know, do people like ted cruz and others, do they use this moment again? i mean obviously he feels like he hasn't been humbled by it. he's been emboldened by it. what happens on this next deadline which is, you know, two months away? >> i don't think anyone has a clue what it will happen. the fact it happened so quickly you have a deadline in january and a deadline in february you could have a repeat of real drama. i think they will come to some spending agreement in the interim and hopefully get people beyond health care, beyond these month to month fights but republicans have no consensus at this point. like you said ted cruz goes home and treated like a hero. so they are not humbled by the process. i think they look at the polls and i think teen real hard liners would say these polls are not good for the republican party and losing the majority in

the house, which was unthinkable would be a disaster for the party. so i think they will temper it a little bit. >> jim, walk us through this dick durbin story. you guys have updated senator durbin said during the shutdown negotiations one republican leader said he quote cannot even stand to look at president obama. said to it the president in a meeting. the white house yesterday jay carney denied that account. speaker boehner denied it happened but senator durbin on follow up said he stands by his story. what happened in that room? >> we don't know. either dick durbin is lying when he makes that allegation or one of the republican leaders is one of the biggest jerks in the presence of a president. either one of those story lines is a fascinating story. dick durbin the onus on him he needs to come clean who said that, who told him. was he in the room? in what context. that's such a display of disrespect that even in this town in this moment when everyone is acting so nasty that

would really take it to a limit that we've not seen before. so i think dick durbin the sburd on him to tell us who said that. >> did he say it was a house leader or senate leader. he suggested it was a house leader. >> we assume it's a house leader. when the white house says it's not true, when boehner's office says it's not true, either dick durbin witnessed it or somebody told dick durbin about it and the fact he put it on facebook publicly and is standing by it, they say someone did say it i think the burden is on him to tell us who is that someone. they are not doing that so far. >> dick durbin is a good honorable senator and a good guy. why would he make this up if in fact so. thank you. donny, 6:35 and we still haven't talked about the red sox. >> tell the audience to stay on point. >> i love that. >> talk about your bedroom --

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game one of the world series. red sox/st. louis. let's look at the break down. the cardinals made it to the weekends 19 times with 11 wins second to the new york yankees. red sox 12th trip to the world series they won seven times. couple good franchises. both teams finished the regular season tied with the exact same record. the best in baseball. last night at fenway facing off in a brisk boston, 49 degrees at game time. little controversy early. bomb of the first two on, david ortiz weak grounded to the right side. drops throw at second. umpire calls pedroia out. john farrell comes out to argue. after a brief conference the ump overturns the call. >> nobody expected to get overturned. >> i never saw that. >> next batter with the bases mike napoli makes the card pay. red sox up 3-0 early on there in

the first inning. jon lester sod for the sox gets molina looking. david freese next, he's frozen. bottom of the second sox capitalized. easy pop up. >> unbelievable. >> wainwright calls are-foot and drops between wainwright and molina. >> are these guys on speaking terms? a little conversation? >> he put his arms up. >> there it drops. >> two batters later grounded to short. messy game for the cards. that sets up the bases loaded 4-0 for david ortiz. >> to right. back is beltran at the wall. it's caught! one scores as beltran took a grand slam away. >> carlos beltran hanging over

the bull pen wall. >> let's say right now. >> even though they are up zip when that happened the whole energy deflated. >> you were there. beltran came out of the game some bruised ribs. skip ahead to the seventh inning. 5-0. ortiz gets another chance with a man on. >> ortiz gets into it to right, will it carry? at the wall. it's gone! 7-0. red sox lead in game one. >> that was the final. 7-0 there on the ortiz home run. jon lester, 7 2/3. red sox win 8-1. three errors by cardinals. red sox won nine consecutive world series game. they swept in 2004 and 2007. teams who have won game one have 20 of the last 21 world series.

brian shactman what's your thoughts? >> honestly as bad as the cardinals look they would have been in an entirely baseball game. one of those things where nothing went right for the cardinals. fenway was a little intimidating perhaps to some of those guys. kozma looked bad in warm ups. if they win game two doesn't matter. they go home successful. so they wipe the slate clean. >> security unscored mike barnacle. >> there was some country music song. barnacle was spotted smiling. >> no. >> just a little -- >> sure it was him. >> definitely. >> seems unlikely. >> grumpy doesn't smile. >> he smiled. >> t.j. has got something. i don't understand what he's saying. it sounds fantastic. there he is.

looking good. looking good. >> cute. >> they were warm. my wife made me wear it. messed my hair up. that's vintage 2004, santa claus. >> nice seats. i see nbc came through for you. >> i used my binoculars to see barnacle. >> were you in the stadium? >> see that honey next to me? >> brian shactman you need to get some sleep. you drove through the night. we'll see you later. coming up next professor james peterson joins us for the must read opinion pages. we'll be right back with more "morning joe". she's always been able to brighten your day.

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now director of african studies and associate professor of english at lehigh university and miscontribu msnbc contributor. charles blow writes websites and grave sites. republicans are predending that they care about the problems encountered in signing up for a system that many of them are bent on destroying. they are demanding an immediate fix to something that they want to break. they are trying to deflect public outrage away from their record low approval ratings. the only problem for republicans is that a technical issue isn't likely to have legs. yes it's embarrassing, yes it's frustrating, yes it's an unforced error but it's also fixable and in the grand scheme of things the malfunctioning website is more understandable and less consequential than a malfunctioning political party. >> that's the point donny was making earlier, this is embarrassing, this is not good, this no way to spin it. >> unacceptable.

>> if in a couple of months this is sorted out and people get what they were promised out of the affordable care act will we remember that? >> not so much. but that's a big if. there's a short time frame to get these glitches sorted out. charles is on point here in the sense it's interesting that the people who are going to complain most about the glitches are the people who don't want twoirkt. that kind of irony is worthying about in our political process. we have to see what happens. i think if it does, we won't remember it as much. another important point the dysfunctionality of a website is not comparable to the dysfunctionality of a party. the american people are interested in seeing a two party system being operable and functional coming out of washington. >> we have time for "wall street journal," obama's credibility is melting he says. the collapse of obama care is

the tip of the iceberg for the magical obama presidency from the moment he emerged in the public eye with his 2004 speech at the democratic convention and through his astonishing defeat of the clintons in 2008, barack obama's calling card is his credibility. he speaks. it has been barack obama's gift to transform mere support into victorious credulousness. now that is crumbling at great cost, if here and abroad politicians, the public and the press conclude he can't play it straight his second-term accomplishment will lie only in doing business with the world's most cynical, untrustworthy partners. the american people are the ones who will end up on the short end of those deals. >> does that mean we'll do deals with putin.

>> the fortunate is faring white quell even with this web site. it's embarrassing with the rollout of obama care. if republicans let that happen. >> might be a different situation. >> howard, you still with us? >> i generally don't take the "wall street journal" opinion page seriously so i don't have any comment. >> you might not be the guy to ask. >> there's something to be said here about especially this story about what's coming out of germany and whether or not our allies think that the nsa is spying on them. i think that does go to america's credibility. that's an important piece. i don't tie that together with the roll out of obama care. obviously the writer here is thinking about one way about this presidency. i'm not sure if it sticks as much for the american people. >> i'm not sure either. i think to an extent there's some opportunities here for the republican party if they would like to bring themselves together. but the president going out fundraising, moving forward with

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with steve kornacki." in washington, political director and host of the daily rundown chuck todd. also columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc policy analyst ezra klein joins the tabling again. good to have you on board this hour. let's start with what the president is up to. the public approval for republicans is down and the hillis reporting the president will try help national democratic organizations capitalize on that. the president has at times been dubbed the campaigner in chief. one article denies the fundraising will get in the way of the president's second term agenda. kwupt there's this conspiracy theory out there that we've given up on legislating and want to take the house.

we need the house back and we still have time to get some stuff done. president obama is expected to call on larms to tackle immigration reform but there's doubt on what congress can accomplish. in a session defined by stalemate this 113th congress has passed just 36 laws. the president has signed. last year's congress the least productive on record passed 283 laws. public confidence is absolutely abysmal. a fox news poll shows an even split of 46-47% of americans who think a randomly selected group of people could do a better job. chuck todd -- >> like that. i have to say, some of their question wordings are a little bit off. but that's a great statement. >> what are your telling us, chuck. >> they are getting worse and worse. >> tomorrow with that are legal globetrotters. >> actually would the washington

generals. >> the next movie trailer that we just saw. anchorman. the cast of anchorman can run the place. chuck, the president out raising, he's working -- he's moving forward and it appears to be capitalizing on the weaknesses the republicans have created for themselves. anything wrong with that and do you agree? >> well, some of this, actually, i think there was some fundraising he was going to do in the early part. this is a natural time when you do some fundraising. i think this is a case of the hill overwriting the story. the president is doing some fundraising. it's fundraising events he agreed to six, nine months ago. this is that time of the year. this is an important period of time in the 2014 mid-terms in this respect. right now is sort of the last great push to get candidates to run. and house democrats before the shutdown were struggling to convince some wavering potential candidates to run for this reason. number one, the candidate would

come back to the democrats and say you know what, boy, 2014 identify read the articles about gerry mandering, this is tough, six year itch. call me again when hillary clinton is at the top of the ticket, call me in 2016 then i'll think about running. the question now is congressional democrats are making these calls again now. post-shutdown saying hey look at these poll numbers. are you sure you want to wait. people that wait in politics usually end up missing opportunities. do you want to miss an opportunity. so i think this next period of the president doing this campaigning, he'll also be asked to do phone calls to recruit candidates, you know, that's part of the job too, that's when you know whether the landscape truly was altered. forget poll numbers is it an opportunity for democrats to find more challengers in these potentially competitive races. >> steve kornacki, take the fundraising trip aside which chuck identified correctly something in the works for a long time and something presidents do.

what is the impact of the combination of the shutdown effort by republicans and now the vast problems with the obama care website going forward from here? does it have impacts? is the house now in play for democrats? >> i think there's sort of three games that's being played here. you're a democrat, in the white house, you're looking at this question like how can we govern again like we did in the first two years of the obama presidency when they had all those votes in the senate, when they had the house back. three things. one is there's a sense among some republicans of something close to panic wow we stepped in it here, maybe 2014 is in jeopardy. if you can accentuate that sense of pressure maybe there's a chance between now and the 2014 elections you can get republicans to cooperate wane they haven't. that's one. second one is yeah if you could somehow and we all know the odds on this, if you could win the house back in 2014 that would put you in line from the administration's perspective to have two years to finish like

you did in the first two years. and third if you would like in a mid-term instead of losing seats or losing ground to republicans if you can break even or maybe pick up two, three, four seats it puts you in a situation where in 2016 the dynamic of the elections are different. democrats could have hillary clinton at the top of the ticket. if you're down only 12 seats going to 2016 new democratic president, new house majority, keep the senator and you could be in line with unified government. >> all right. let's get to ezra on this next story the troublesome rollout of obama care is creating a whole new set of concerns for democrats facing re-election next year. senators mark prior and jean shaheen are calling for open enrollment of the president's health care law to be extended. congressman rick nolan said the president needs man up while bill nelson and sean patrick

maloney believes it's time someone gets fired over the handling of the website healthercare.gov. yesterday the white house indirectly responded to these concerns pushing back the health law's first major deadline by enrollment by six weeks. shoppers will have until the end of march to sign up for insurance even if they are not actually covered yet. white house officials deny it's a delay saying nothing has changed to the individual mandate. meanwhile new polling shows americans are just as outraged as congressat democrats. according to a new fox news poll 49% say the problems with the obama care website are fireable offenses. however a new gallup poll shows support for the affordable care act is up since august. approval has risen to 45% up 41% two months ago. joe mansion is taking it a step

further. there's some full out. ezra, how do you see things today? >> definitely fallout. this san important fact when we begin talking about things in context of 2014 to say again and again and again it's a year away. this rollout has been going on for we tleex and i don't think many people have been harder than i. i think it's been going badly. will it still be going badly 12 months from now? that's a question. in terms of how the second year of this bill looks like, this law looks that has a high chance of looking different and i think southeast thing they are doing now is important. you mentioned this technical change you made last night. i wouldn't put that in the same category as the website and digital architecture problems. that was something that existed for a while where you had an open enrollment date that goes

to march. individual mandate wouldn't hit you until end of march but because of the rhythm when you get insurance it was interpret when you didn't sign up by march 1st you could get hit. they say as long as you sign up by march 31st you're okay. that was a smart move on their part to deal with an inconsistency in the law. in terms of what will happen in 2014, one oddly enough getting more popular. but two it's really going to matter not who they fire not now, not what they spend now, not whether or not they listen to pryor and mansion but whether or not they get it right. ultimately the american people will decide on this. >> chuck todd and steve getting it right means signing up 7 million people in six months. they have to get the numbers in. and i would just say that if it's hard to sign up people won't. that, i think, is the concern. the only way this is successful

is if they get those numbers. we don't know what any of them are. >> mika, that is why there was an intense pressure, why they felt pressure to get the website done. they are convinced that if the website -- if they don't have sort of a semi-easy way to sign up, so these folks under 35 that they have to get, if this process is difficult, well then only the folks that have been concerned about finding health care are willing to go through that process. so that's why there was -- you know talking to some administration officials they admit there was almost too much hope being put in to make sure this complicated website, 36 exchanges they were having to do and there's different analogies identify seen them, you're funneled one way and then you go here. they asked this website to do a lot. they had to do this right in order to get them. now the numbers on this, that's

why they want to do this three week surge. the white house is now, mika, essentially treating this like the way they treated the oil spill which is instead of trying to deflect every day say this agency is here, every day now they are having an hhs briefing that starts today. every day they will update the folks here's the fixes that have done today, same way like the oil spill. it will look like all hands on deck and drowning out anything else they want to talk about. in three weeks if every day they have an announcement that says we fix thrksd in three weeks they may actually have done something positive. >> steve, agree >> the funny thing the democrats i've talked, to generally they want this law to work and sort of they are hesitant to pile on too much because they feel like a lot of republicans are being political opportunistic about this. at the same time when you talk to those democrats you pick up on the level of frustration.

this october enrollment period is something people were pointing to for months. for more than a year. everybody knew this was coming. everybody knew you outline what the significance this was how the law will work. you start getting young healthy people enrolled. can you show this will work? there's an incredible amount of frustration just from democrats that like they knew how important this was. how can you give the other side ammunition like this for this law. >> to piggyback what ezra was talking about going a year out. this is a moment. we're truly, go back to social security, go back to major reforms and how we live as a country and we're several weeks into this. it may take a year. but we're talking about a 50, 100 year proposition. in hindsight it's almost naive to expect such a sea change, such a hard right turn in the way we insure ourselves without

glitches. major snafu, but if we're changing the way we behave as a country that's not going to go smoothly. >> other things that aren't going smoothly anyone have plans to retire some day like not work and retire? no? >> that sounds good. >> sounds good. >> pretty much so. >> you are retired. i see. increasingly retirement is becoming the new american dream. a new wells fargo harris study found 37% of people expect they have to work until theyer either too sick or die. nearly half say they are confident they will have enough for a comfortable retirement. a third say they will have to work until they are 80 years old because they simply won't have enough saved. 59% say their top day-to-day concern is simply paying the bills. 42% say it's impossible save and pay the bills. >> here's the real big problem with that. people who say they have to work

until they are 80 ain't going to have jobs when they are 77 because there's tremendous ageism in the workplace and that's a big problem. >> a lot of other things. >> if they are working for corporations if they think they are working past early 60s. >> that's a frighteningout look. >> something that gets forgotten in this conversation. we talk a lot about social security funding short falls, people talk a lot about they need to cut it or raise the retirement age. on the other side of that you have a huge crisis in private retirement savings. 401(k)s, most 401(k)s is basically to first proximate nation has no money in it compared to what they will need to retire. they are widely unbelievable underfund. defined benefit pensions have disappeared. on the one hand washington talks a lot about how to cut social security. private retirement savings have really not been sufficient. we have a retirement crisis we talk about only one part it and

we talk about that part incorrectly. these numbers show, i think, what a significant problem that's going to be when we begin to hit ten years or 15 years out. >> the other thing too here is looking at this in the context of the great recession, of the economic meltdown of what that did to people. i can think back. it really was like a generation ago, maybe 20 years presidential election when ross perot was running. one of the themes of the ross perot campaign was about sort of how lounge will it take for the standard of living in this country to double. the idea of that being the american dream. every generation comes in i want gets better. he was saying the theme of the perot campaign was the idea like maybe for the next generation it's not going to be as good for us and when you start seeing stories like this, the generation right now, the generation that's retiring right now may not have it as well as the generation before. >> chuck todd before we go to

break, you want to jump in? >> no. this is the economic -- the anxiety -- this is the hangover is on our politics. you want to understand why you have the rise of the tea party in some ways. a lot of this has to do with economic anxiety. a lot of this concern -- >> and dysfunction in washington. >> but it's economic anxiety is the driving force of the concern and negativity about what's wrong with this country, direction of the country. and washington has never -- and the president has tried to do this, he did a better job of it than mitt romney did which is why he got re-elected. overall washington in general has failed to grasp the economic anxiety that exists in between the coasts sometimes of what's really going on in wichita, kansas and des moines, iowa, in

muncie, indiana. >> ezra klein thank you very much. steve kornacki thank you very much. we'll see you on "up" at 8:00 a.m. on saturday and sunday. chuck, we'll be looking for you on "the daily rundown" right after "morning joe." stale head he helped to bring barclay center to brooklyn. bruce ratner wants to bring another team. and biz stoerngs we'ne, we'll g take on the future of social networking. but now bill karins. >> you should see the handles i got. you want me to tell you some of them? >> no. actually, no. don't want to hear one. just the weather. >> we'll stick to that one. as far as today goes not a lot of weather concerns. we have some lake-effect snow. almost every single lake this

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once upon a midnight dreary while i pondered weak and weary over many curious volume of forgotten lore, while i nodded nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping. as if someone gently rapping, rapping at my door. >> that was a clip from "ever more" a short film directed byron howard. now the movie's director, co-founder of twitter, biz stone. >> i don't know. we'll have to see. >> so how did we get from

co-founder, all the companies in between, web start up genius to film director. >> well there's a tiny connection between twitter and ron howard, about one year into twitter i said to my team we're getting media attention we don't want to grow up to be like a child actor who grew town a troubled adult. we want to be ron howard. years later i get this opportunity to work with ron and canon to do something they didn't know happened to be that was a dream of mine. always wanted to direct a film. i used ron howard in my speech to the team and then -- you know one of the things that's also super appealing to me about this whole thing. all fost tos were user submitted. i'm usually on the other side of that coin. and this is right up my alley. so they are all submitted and whittled down to ten and then another, you know, ten that i

went by, constraint inspires creativity. that's what we were doing. we were choosing ten photos and of those ten photos we had to make a film proving the power of the still image in narrative story telling. >> there's a little bit of po poe, "the raven." >> it looked like a home made costume of a bird and i made that creative leap from that to someone who dressed up as baird. my film is about a littlereunitd does that by going on stage and reciting their favorite poem which happens to be a poe poem. >> let's go back to twitter. you were one of the founders. i interview big entrepreneurs on coroner nbc. take me to the ah-ha moment where you guys found this secret

sauce like just take us to that moment. >> for me it was at the technology event in 2007, march of 2007 in austin, texas. i heard about a guy who wanted to talk to his friends but the bar was too high. he sent out a tweet let's move to this other bar a few blocks down. it was an update at the time. and he sent out this one tweet and eight minutes it took him to walk to this other bar 800 people have done the same thing. what had happened is they had retweeted his tweet. they all thought it was a good idea so they flocked like birds to this bar and it occurred to me, it gave me chills it occurred to me there was no such technology that allowed humans to have the ability to flock like in some, like in the animal kingdom like fish and ants and birds. there was no technology for something like this for humans and yes this was a party but what if hit been a more dramatic

event, what if it was a disaster or something at a higher level. that's what made me realize we were on to something much bigger than we originally had thought of. >> it's incredible to me march in 2007 was only six years ago. twitter has become such a part of our lives. it's hard to remember life before twitter. is it crazy. is it exciting. we have twitter on. we have it on our phones using it all the time. does that blow your mind? >> it does. a friend of mine told me the other day how does it make you feel you can't look anywhere without seeing that little bird you drew or a hash tag or an app. things we thought at the time who is going to do this? this is just for us. >> the strangest name to me at first and now it's part of our language. >> it was like a joke so people were like let's make fun of it. wait a minute we're using it. >> exactly. what were some of the biggest real challenges along the way as

you were building twitter that almost perhaps even threw it off. there must have been some? i can think of some. >> a lot of it there are similarities again coming back to this movie making theme. there's a lot of constraint that you have to deal with. and, you know, you have trouble with technology or constrained by certain technologies. and to me those constraints can be a source of creativity. when you're limited, when you pained yourself into a corner that's when you get most creative. so, you know, the limitations behind twitter ended up what grew it. so obviously one of the biggest problems for us was just not expecting success and having the technology constantly fail us. but in a weird turn of events that ended up being somewhat of

a growth mechanism for us because everyone was making such a big deal about this service being down and how angry they were, people who didn't know about it the electricity was turned off i have to check it out. that's what drove it. that and just growing pains, you know growing from a six person company to thousands of people is tough in any scenario whether it's a start up or any other kind of company. >> we talked about six years ago we didn't know about twitter. what about six years from now a guy who is on the forefront of social media. what will be in our lives every day. what are you guys working on that will change our lives again? >> you know, there's what i think will happen. here's what i hope will happen. what i hope we built up to this point is truly connected society, more so than any in history and i think -- i think we've collectively built this connected society without sort

of a long game in mind. we just tap that follow button because we want to see the pictures of our friend or see some old looking photos of what they did last night. but i think what we've built is a world of connectivity. there's one mobile device for every person on earth, same number. so we're the most connected society we've ever been. so that enables us to do a lot of things that we would not have otherwise been able to do. and the one thing that i think enables is it enables us to feel empathy for the other citizens of the world. and i hope something comes of that technologically. >> when young people see something like you, on the one hand it's an incredible inspiration. everybody goes okay i'll make up an app and make a billion. on the other hand it concerns me because it's such an exception, it's one-in-a-million and i wonder if we're setting so many young people down a path where they think in five years i'm going to make the billion

dollars where versus traditional paths of blocking and tackling. so you are an inspiration but i get worried about somebody like you as an example. >> i agree with you. i like to remind people it takes ten years of constant failure and trying to become an overnight success. it's not like it just happened. it wasn't just one person. it took forever. i tried many times to do stuff like this before and failed and i think you're right. everybody wants to be the mark zuckerberg or next movie star and that's such a little percentage of the world. what i would like to see happen more is, you know, is a flourishing of more aspirational visions of the future from the future. people like bill gates, you know. even in television and in movies, i would like to see more aspirational tv shows. everything is all nightmarish. let's go back to the gene

roddenberry days where mankind solved war and hunger. >> i want to tweet and twerk at the same time. >> oh, good god. let's end the conversation. willie we try relate with our guests off camera a little bit. i immediately liked him -- i asked him what time zone he was on and he said san francisco. oh, you must be so tired. he said i never feel good. we all connected. >> amen to that. before i let you go real quick what do you make of what's happening with the white house with the healthercare.gov website? >> i think they should have made a clever, you know, i'm sorry our website is down error page here are the three main points of our program. done. >> you build an error page and it's over. >> good error page and it's over. >> don't need a website. >> take part in canon's project imagination, the first film festival inspired by user

submitted photographs visit screen.yahoo!.com. now is your chance to tweet the creator of twitter. send your kwez to biz using the #mojoe. up next the bishop. bling when your boss drives around in a car like this and preaches the gospel of helping the poor you might think twice about spending $42 million renovating your own home. >> that's what i'm thinking. nbc's michele kosinski joins us next. thrusters at 30%! i can't get her to warp. losing thrusters. i need more power.

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♪ all right. it's 36 past the hour. that's a beautiful shot. pope francis is known for his very simple lifestyle so when he learned that a top german bishop had spent millions on reno vagus to his own residence he suspended him. michele kosinski is live in front of the home in question.

michele, tell us about it. >> reporter: hey, mika. if you're of the opinion that the words bling and bishop don't go together the vatican agrees. it temporarily expelled this bishop from his duties. people out here are calling for him to resign after he built himself a new home, office, chapel and stuff costing $42 million. it's not exactly austerity or being poor among the boar but this is the house that catholic church's money built courtesy of bishop peter. with a big name and big home. $42 million price tag. six times the original plan. so sleek and modern and cool looking with old religion there in the mix not only generated outrage become a huge angry tourist attraction. i presume he has a golden

faucet, it's crazy. i wanted to ring the doorbell and ask but there is no doorbell. can't beg for money all the time and then build a place like that. in rome pope francis known for his frugality giving up the. al palace and popemobile, making his own phone calls here's his residence, temporarily suspended the spending bishop and summoned his replacement to get to the koem of this. the vatican displeased that the bishop tried to sue a magazine flying poor class. he said he flew business class. >> the pope actually doesn't want to continue the policy of silence which was very usual in the past. >> reporter: the bishop said his new residence was multiple projects costing so much because of renovation on historic parts it. now all the subject of a commission inquiry in the seat

of the catholic church which again isn't too shabby either. on the way to rome here's the bishop flying a rock bottom budget airline. you know, this new pope has not been shy about tackling things like this head on including the vatican bank. here's something tacked up saying hello mr. bishop we had the topic of money and misconduct back in 1517 a remps to the reformation launched by martin luther over excesses in the church. >> michele kosinski, that's an unbelievable story. thank you very much. up next -- >> she's awesome. she's always got the best gigs. she's always on location somewhere glamorous. >> donny, i'm surprised you still have that picture. we'll reveal the new cover of "time" coming up on "morning joe". people don't have to think about

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♪ here we go. i'm not going to recover for quite some time. i may not look at you for this whole segment. >> it's hard to look at him. >> can't look at him any more. thank god, we're dealing with the new issue of "time" magazine right now and not don't chip's texts. this week the cover story is on the forgotten prince, a revealing look at prince charles. the magazine's editor is joining us. you know i'm not a royal watcher. i'll put the magazine right here. putting it right here. tell me why i want to open it. >> i want to say -- >> tough sell. >> we're a tough sell at "time" too. i think it's true a lot of people have a knee jerk reaction to charles. >> this is it.

look. >> he gets a bad rep. we remember the stuff with diana. we think of this guy waiting for his mother to move along so he can be king. the truth is prince charles has used his position to convene power and exercise influence in a way that's really fascinating and this is something that reoccupies us regularly. one of the things that we point occupant at the beginning of the story is that in britain social survey which surveys social attitudes the monarchy, ironically which we write off is one of the few institutions that gained in public trust. there's something about that consistency of charles and his mission that actually gets a lot of attention. >> what's his mission and what has he done >> charles is a world class philanthropist. in the last year he raised a quarter of a billion dollars for these charities. his trust which he's been running for four decades has

helped 650,000 young people, artists and entrepreneurs and an early thought leader on environmentalism and conservation and exercised these interests with great consistency over the years. in fact he's worried that becoming king is going to keep him from pursuing his mission. >> really? okay. i'm opening i want now. i'm opening it. go ahead, donny. >> it's interesting when you contrast the brand of monarch say if you will the brand of congress and institutions in our country it's fascinating. do you believe that part of that is that more difficult times become in this country and the world the more we kind of celebrate the fantasy of the royals for lack of a better word? >> i think that's part of it. yes you make this connection that i've been making in my head since we've been work on this piece which sue look at our institutions in america right now, our elected officials and we're proud rightly of our democracy but it can be

incredibly frustrating when you have sort of people cycling through positions of power who aren't able to come together and figure out how to lead. when you have 0 monarchy, i'm not advocating we create one here, the fact is there's one in england and charles has this unique position to influence. it's a soft power. people because there is, mika aside, there's a fascination with the royals he's able to get people to come to his table literally. >> mika, will be interested in this, she will be fascinated. i have a quiz for you. emma thompson, she's quoted in the story saying doing something with prince charles is quote better than sex. what is the something that doing that with prince charles is better than sex? >> you're asking the wrong person. >> you'll like this. it's romantic. >> dancing.

>> okay. that's nice. what did you mean by that? >> i didn't know you were expecting -- i didn't know there was an actual answer. >> he's a good dancer. >> very sweet. >> there's also a fascinating picture of him at 20 years old, really close up. the new cover of "time" is the forgotten prince. thank you very much. what did you mean by that? >> by the way -- >> still ahead. >> you're great. he teamed up with jay-z to bring the next brooklyn but that's just the opening act for what bruce ratner has planned. "morning joe" will be right back. has never been our prio. our priority is, was and always will be serving you, the american people.

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♪ ♪ new york >> seven and a half years ago, jay-z, not too far from here, we met the first time. we shared our dreams together of what was going on to be, and we got along and he put his hand out and i put my hand out and we shook hands and the rest is history. >> i appreciate the support from brooklyn, because without brooklyn, i wouldn't be standing here right now. i'm humble, i'm excited, so get ready for the brooklyn nets. let's make some noise. >> all right.

that was majority owner and developer of the barclays center, bruce rittiner, along with jay-z, ramping up excitement for their new sports and entertainment venue in brooklyn in 2011. am i pulling this off? does it work? >> yes, cute. >> does it work? look at this cute t-shirt. i love this. >> brooklyn is loving you. >> i'm excited. >> wonderful. >> thank you for all the gifts. >> honorary citizen of brooklyn. >> am i? >> absolutely. >> i want to go to a game. >> done. >> you don't need to say which sport, but thank you for giving me the explanation before. love the hat. and bruce rattner joins us, great to have you on the show. first of all, what's jay-z like. my daughter is a fan. nice guy, right? >> you can see, humble, smart, good business person and a very good artist. he is everything. he's got it all, really. he's terrific. >> what a brilliant marketing move to in one fell swoop -- and everybody knows, tiny, tiny

celebrity on the team. but to take that jay-z magic fairy dust and sprinkle it on top of the project instantaneously made the nets cool, stroke of genius. >> made me cool too. and i needed a lot of that. it was great. he has been terrific. >> there was resistance. >> yes, there was. >> and how did you combat that and generate the excitement ultimately? >> persistence. >> how did you get around it? >> a lot of nearby were concerned about noise, traffic, crime, understandably. >> of course. >> those are the things people are afraid. what's happened is none of that turned out to be the case. most everybody takes subway or walks. there has been actually a lower crime in the area, property values are up and most of all, there is a great venue for people to actually have their whole social life around. whether you like pa chely or the nets or jay-z, you've got all of us there. people have their whole social life around that arena. >> i'm going to have to check

that out. >> you've got to check it out. >> when you guys started to do the development back in 2003, i was living in ft. green, a couple blocks from where it was, and i remember the resistance to it and i'm now a season ticket holder for the nets. i'm curious. there was a bigger vision around it, part of the way you got through some of the resistance was doing other development around affordable housing. how close are you to the full vision, not just of the arena, but the whole development of the atlantic yards thing? >> well, the first thing to recognize, across the street, there is almost 800,000 square feet of retail that we built a number of years ago. most important thing now is the housing. and we started the first building, found ourselves a partner from china. and so it's going to go very quickly. and most importantly, we're going to build that project modularly. a new way to build high-rise construction, which i think will change construction. a lot of good things happening. >> it's interesting. you know, i have a lot of friends who are developers. and it's easy to forget what a creative business you're in.

i'm going to ask the same question i asked biz stone of twitter. give me the moment you were looking at the area where everyone else would have seen as waste land and you saw the emerald city. it is such a creative, visionary type thing. >> you know, it is some instinct, i think, and instinct is a bunch of experiences put together. i think it was almost a moment when i kind of looked and decided, this is the project. i saw a very -- a piece of land that had railroad tracks on it that could be built into something remarkable right in the downtown area of brooklyn. i could just see it, honestly. in fact, 15 years ago, i remember i drew on a napkin what would happen to flat bush avenue 15 to 20 years from now, the amount of res detectioidential, amount of office. i don't know what it is. just instinct. >> but there's more. you want to do more. you can't stop. you can't just stop at one thing. tell me -- >> all of us are like that. >> are you? i think you might take it to the next level. of the islanders. what's your vision? >> so the islanders are coming

in '15-'16, charles wong and i became friends five or six years ago and like the jay-z deal, we essentially made the deal and they're coming. that's going to be great. they're a good team this year and '15-'16, better. they're a good, young team, and i think hockey is going to be fantastic in brooklyn. 2.8 million people. a lot of russians who like hockey but in general a great sport oh to watch. >> have you ever been to madison square garden? >> i have. >> you have not been to the barclays center, right? >> no. >> it makes madison square garden look shabby and kind of embarrassing. you go to barclays center and see the future of what a sports arena should look like. it's a modern sports arena. kind of like a nightclub/sports arena, all in one. >> it feels -- i like to say -- >> incredible. >> we want you to feel like you're in living your room, both the way the employees treat you, wonderful, great employees. and by the way it looks. we want you to feel at home and comfortable. you have two hours of the day

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♪ good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast, as you take a live look at new york city. it's time to wake up, willie. let's do that. we have donny deutsch, john heilemann and in washington, howard dean. we have a lot to get to politically. i just want to do a question around the table. before we launch into news about a story we have deeper in this block. because some of you don't have teens and some of you do. if your kid is at a party, you know there is drinking, do you get your kid out of there and shut down the party or just get your kid out of there? donny. >> i'm way right on this issue, get your kid out of there, shut down the party. >> not your house. >> you can't be naive to believe that kids are not going to experiment with drinking. on the other hand, you can't endorse it. and so if you're confronted with

it, i believe you do everything as a parent to intervene. >> so you go to where that party is, you get your kid and you shut it down. >> no. i'm not in a position to shut down the party. >> that's what i needed to know. >> i'm sorry. i get my kid out of there, and if i have my friends' kids and i also might call -- get ahold of the parents whose house it was. you can't walk into somebody else's house and shut down the party. >> got it. perfect. we'll get to that. the maryland attorney general was in a situation like that. and it's a very interesting story. but let's start with washington, with the shutdown behind them. president obama is planning on traveling the country, holding a series of fund-raising events for house and senate democrats. with public approval for republicans down, the hill reports, the president will try to help national democratic organizations capitalize on all of this. the president has at times been dubbed campaigner in chief for hitting the road to help raise money. one white house official cited the hill article denies the fund raising will get in the way of president's second term agenda. quote, there's this conspiracy theory out there that we have

given up on legislating and want to take the house. but another official admitted, it would be wise to focus on 2014 now, saying, we need the house back. and the senate has got a lot of at stake too, and we still have time to get some stuff done. today, president obama is expected to call on lawmakers to tackle immigration reform. but there is doubt over what congress can actually accomplish. in a session defined by stalemate, this 113th congress has passed just 36 laws the president has signed. last year's congress, the least productive on record, passed 283 laws. public confidence is abysmal. a fox news poll shows an even split of 46-47% of americans who think a randomly selected group of people could do it better. john heilemann, seriously, what other choice does he have but to go out and work on 2014 so something can get done, whether

you agree with it or not? it's not like anything went quite well this time around. >> well, you could say, i think some might say, there is this -- the obama care story deserves the president's attention. that -- >> i think you can do that. >> i think you could do both. look, the president -- it's sort of funny the president thinks back on the first two years of his time in office when democrats controlled the senate, the house and the white house. >> yeah. >> as kind of the -- you know, the great kind of glory days. he didn't get that much done in those two years. >> i mean, it's not as much as a accomplishment when everyone is on the same side and that's how things get rammed through. >> there is no question, he sees political opportunity right now. you know, even a month ago, most hard-headed political analysts said, well, as bad as the shutdown is for republicans, it's still not going to turn the house of representatives. now it looks like, if you believe -- >> it could. >> the forecasters, that -- and it's still very early, you know.

>> howard dean -- >> but there is an opening here and the president is going to try to capitalize. >> i think it is an opening and howard dean, given the grave situation we just faced as a country because of a small group of republicans who now polls are showing are losing their favorability ratings at record numbers, wouldn't the smartest strategy be to help them do what they're already doing to themselves, which is get them out of office. >> well, yes, but the truth is that all presidents do this. george bush did it, bill clinton, george bush senior did it. they go out and campaign and raise money for the party so that in off year elections your party can do well. this is not news. and the white house, of course, goes wherever the president is, because he's in the plane, all the communications equipment. so this is a nonstory, and the only reason we're talking about is because the republicans have nothing constructive to talk about so they have to attack the president on something like this. in fairness to the republicans, we attacked the republicans when george bush was doing the same thing. so this is just washington

stuff. i do think, though, there is an opportunity to win back the house. and i actually think that the republicans could get worse before they get better. because they have not solved their problems. they have, you know, 50 or 60 intranscript jent republicans. what is john boehner going to do when they make a deal with the president to do the grand bargain and 60 or 70 people in his caucus won't vote for it? he's got a big problem here. >> i tend to agree with governor dean. the idea that the president can't go to eight or nine cocktail parties over the next month and still conduct the business of the presidency, ridiculous. and as heilmann said, a strategic moment. he sees what happened with the shutdown and believes it's now possible at least he could win the house and therefore take control of the last two years of his presidency. >> most presidents can walk and chew gum at the same time. and i don't think anybody is naive enough the president is not going to use his office to forward his party gains. i think the interesting thing in 2014 for republicans that's going to hurt them and maybe cause them to lose the house

will actually help them in 2016. the conventional wisdom is, oh, my god, i'm going get primaried. if i don't go far right, i'm going to get primaried out. these far right guys are going to get primaried out themselves, or certainly not re-elected, which will give republican 2016 presidential candidates the courage through the primary process to say, you know what, i don't have to bow in that direction. i can stay on my platform that's going to actually get me elected in. in a strange way, this bottoming out may help them in 2016. >> and also -- >> what? i give you a fashion compliment and here you -- >> good lord. >> the marginal seats in the house that are going to turn are the ones that are the less conservative districts anyway. so you're -- the -- this will have no effect on the fact that the far right will still have its greatest control over the reddest parts of the country. you're talking about marginal districts here. so it's not going to change anything in terms of the national dynamic of the party. >> so you don't think in any way this is going to be a wake-up call for a republican candidate?

you think chris christie decides to run for president and he is going to make the same mistake. >> he still may have a problem in areas of the country that -- >> why -- >> i think chris christie is going to run for president, regardless of whether the right number of seats shift in the house. >> my point is, it's going to show candidates that you don't have to kowtow in the primary process to really get that spot. >> so here's -- here's -- because the polls that we are looking at -- >> it -- >> hold on. >> you're kind of like laughing. how do you not get that point? >> go on. >> the polls that we're looking at yesterday show that republican party's approval ratings are at an all-time low. the tea party ratings are plummeting. mike lee, ted cruz, losing ground, taking the brunt of the negative effects of the shutdown. the question is, will that translate in their districts? >> yes. >> well, donny's point. >> donny, i think your point

seems to be that to me, if there were a bunch of instances in which there were either moderate republicans who primaried more conservative republicans and won, or moderate republicans who got primaried by more conservative republicans and were able to hold that off. that might send a message nationally. but there is no sign to me that's necessarily what's going to happen over the course of next year. >> i believe there will be -- >> okay. >> because if any moderate republican runs an intelligent campaign, they will be able to punch holes. hey, vote for this guy, half of your i.r.a. would have been gone. that simple. >> if that transpires, and we can point to examples where moderate republicans hold off more conservative primary challengers in some number, not one or two, but in some number, i will then agree with you. >> okay. all right. couple more stories to get to. we'll get to obama care. which is, of course, had a troublesome rollout, creating a whole new set of concerns for democrats facing re-election next year. senators mark pryer and gene

shaheen are calling for open enrollment for the president's health care law to be expended. says president obama needs to man up while senator bill nelson and sean patrick maloney believes it's time for someone to get fired over the handling of the website, healthcare.gov. senator nelson is not up for re-election next year. yesterday, the white house indirectly responded to those concerns, pushing back the health law's first major dead lirn for enrollment by six weeks. shoppers will have until the end of march to shine up for insurance, even if it they are not covered yet. white house officials deny its delay, saying nothing has changed to the individual mandate. meanwhile, new polling shows americans are just as outraged as congressional democrats. according to a new fox news poll, 49% say the problems with the obama care website are fireable offenses, however a new goll up poll shows support for the affordable care act is up since august. thank you, ted cruz.

approval has -- okay, approval has risen to 45% up from 41% two months ago. >> governor dean, we haven't heard from you since all of this started a week or so ago, post shutdown. as someone who has advocated for health care reform, perhaps not this health care reform, what do you make of the rollout of the affordable care act? >> i think it's a problem. i think the fundamental mistake that was made -- first of all, in fairness, you've got to blame the republicans for some of this, because they delayed everything they possibly could through as many monkey wrenches into the process as they could. >> exactly. >> and with some success here. but the truth is, what the obama administration should have done is divide the 36 states that are on the federal exchange up into four or five regions, do it the way the government does health care. and then put each of those regions out to bid so you don't have one single contractor who, if they screw up, screws up the whole system, which is what's happened. you know, having said that, we're going to get through this. we always do get through tech stuff. tech -- this is very, very

common in tech rollouts, whether it's electronic medical records or computerizing the tax department. this happens all of the time. the problem is, they shouldn't have done a single size fits all for the 36 states. partly, i have to say, they had to do that because the republican governor has refused to accept exchanges. the states with exchanges are doing pretty well. there's some glitches, they're not big. a lot of people are going to be able to get their insurance in the 12 states or the 14 states that have their own exchanges. >> okay. let's get to this last story about teens, drinking and parents. and i want to show you a photo from a teen party in delaware. this is during senior week at a rented beach house in june. quite a bash. obviously. it looks like there's some drinking there. two guys dancing with a girl on a table. after being drenched with some sort of liquid. teens confirmed there, there was a lot of drinking at the party. if you look closely, there is a man with a white shirt holding

up a cell phone. that is attorney general gantzler. he says he was there looking for his son. so gantzler said he had no business stepping in to stop the party saying, quote, assume for purposes of discussion that there was widespread drinking at this party. how is that relevant to me? the question is, do i have any moral authority over other people's children during beach week in another state? i say no. >> yeah. the mistake he made, as howard said, you call the parents. you come in, and that's what you do. and clearly, he is stumbling through. >> so here are critics who wonder if that version of the attorney general who made that statement ever met this version. take a look. >> hi. i'm attorney general gansler. kids begin to experiment with alcohol around age 12.

parents, you're the decision for kids not to drink. it's never too early to teach them to say no. >> drinking isn't cool. >> i don't want to kill brain cells. >> you're only hurting yourself. >> for more ways to say no to alcohol visit asklistenlearn.com. >> wow. >> that could be a problem. >> that's not good. >> here's the thing. it's so much more complicated if you're in this situation. the owners of the home, by the way, say they were under the impression they rented it to several families on vacation and not high school graduates. advocates against underage drinking say gansler's actions send the wrong message. at that point, it looks to me like that guy was being a parent and doing his best. i don't know if he called the parents. i've done that. it hasn't worked. but i've run after kids at parties. i have even talked to kids about it. and everything that i've done to try and get involved in a situation like this has ended very badly. >> usually -- it's not my kid. >> exactly.

they do not believe -- >> not my kid. >> and you're trying to call -- i've been here. it's unbelievable. >> this is not good for him, especially after you see that ad. but there is more to the story. the "baltimore sun" reports that gansler was part of a group of parents who paid for this beach house for their kids. >> oh-oh. >> they had two fathers to serve as chaperones to watch the party. they laid down rules. no driving whatsoever. no girls behind closed bedroom doors and no hard alcohol. i guess they let them drink beer. but there were parents assigned every night, i guess, to chaperone the party. so he was, in fact, one of the parents. there was nobody to call. he was one of them. >> alex tried to think of a critical question and put it in my ear. let me tell you something, your kids are 1. good luck when they're 17, 18 and 19. it is so convoluted. it is so full of potholes. but you've just got to try and do your best and do the right thing as many times as you can. >> what about this? your kids are going to drink. these kids graduated high school, i guess, right?

they're going to go to beach weekend. isn't it better to rent the house yourself, have two parents there? >> but now you're responsible. >> forbid driving. no hard alcohol. and to actually be there and supervise? if it's going to happen anyway? >> what parents need to know, if a kid gets drunk at your house and goes and kills someone, you're responsible. >> howard? >> number two. >> yeah. >> i know you're going to drink, i would rather you drink at my house than someplace else. no. but you're going through it now. a lot of grays in this. because you can't stop them from experimenting. you can't be naive enough. >> and the grays are the other parents. this guy, i -- no, i'm just saying. like, that is more difficult than you'll ever imagine. you know, who knows? he could have been criticized for using his powers as attorney general to go after other people's kids. i don't know. all i know is that my experience shows that it's extremely convoluted. and my priority is my child. i've tried to help other kids. you would have called the parents. >> i have. and it has been a horrendous experience. >> it's like you call a

parenteau owe. >> how about a bully? the parents are usually bigger jerks than the kids. >> i'm not saying that. >> it does change the situation if he's the -- if he's the host in some sense of the party. wasn't just like you could call the parents, there's 100 kids in his house. he's going to call all the parents of all the kids at a house he's renting, he's the official chaperone. it makes no sense. so there's presumably some element of -- >> i'm just saying, right or wrong, i have a lot of sympathy for the guy right now. i really do. probably trying to do the right thing in a chaotic situation. welcome to raising teens. howard? you want to chime in before we go to break? >> the only thing is, you have to look at the law. the problem that he has -- >> yeah. >> he's the attorney general of the state. so i don't think this is a ridiculous situation he came for. he's trying to -- he knows his kids are going to drink. but because he's the attorney general, i think that's a problem. >> coming up on "morning joe," we'll check in with politico's jim vandehei and angela merkel

calls out the attorney general for allegedly bugging her cell phone. what president obama told her during their conversation yesterday. awkward. plus, airlines are looking to squeeze out more profits by squeezing in more passengers. how major carriers are jamming additional seats on to passenger planes. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> good morning to you, mika. the cold air has settled in from the great lakes to the ohio valley now moving into the northeast. some will go to the deep south later on tonight. so again, it's that time of year you expect this to happen anyway. i have colored in here everywhere in blue below 40 degrees this morning. so good half of the country is experiencing this little cold chill. the exception is the extreme southern half of the country, where it will be a beautiful day. for our friends on the west coast, i haven't talked about a storm on the west coast in forever. it is your dry season. as we go to november/december, you get more wet weather. but for the entire year, we have only had 2 inches of rain in san francisco. and about 2 3/4 in l.a. we are on pace for the driest year ever in california.

our departures from normal are about 8 to 12 inches there from san francisco all the way to l.a. so we desperately need the rainy season to kick in a big way here in california. we're going to talk about another horrible fire season come next spring. rest of the country, looking okay. we're going to warm up in some spots. but definitely not in the great lakes, where the cold air has moved in and usually that means lake-effect snow. little pretty background, couple pretty leads in the back. this is poe lass key new york. expecting snow the next couple days. you're watching "morning joe." of [ male announcer ] every inch. every minute. every second --

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. let's take a look at the morning papers, shall we, boys? >> if we must. >> yes, you must. from our parade of papers, "washington post," angela merkel made a phone call to president obama after hearing accusations that the u.s. government monitored her cell phone. the white house says the president assured merkel, the u.s. isn't currently tapping her phone and does not plan to. merkel says she condemns such practices, and if proven true, it would be, quote, completely unacceptable. >> you'll note that what they said was, we're not doing it now, we won't be doing it in the future. no comment on whether they have done it in the past. >> yeah. how awkward is that? >> columbus dispatch. the man behind the virtual video on youtube where he confessed to killing a man while drinking and driving in june was sentenced yesterday. 22-year-old matthew cordle will serve six and a half years in prison for aggravated vehicular

homicide and drunk driving. his license suspended for life. in a statement, cordle said, quote, it should have been me. >> "usa today" pope francis suspended a pope for spending $42 million to renovate his residence. what? >> it sounds like donny's townhouse. >> yeah, that was -- >> are you done with that renovation yet? >> bishop of bling is accused of spending $20,000 on a bathtub. >> what? >> donny. how does that compare to your bathtub? >> anything more than 15 is ridiculous on a bathtub. >> the risch oppose's residence sports a conference table with a $34,000 price tag. and a private chapel. >> one thing donny doesn't have. >> that costs $4 million. >> no private chapels in your townhouse? >> i like think of my bedroom as a private chapel. >> oh!

ba da-bing, ba da-boom. >> did he just say that? >> i think he did. i'm sorry. >> my lord. >> that was a jolt of -- both sexual energy and self regard. >> and absolute lack -- >> double shot. >> oh, my lord. i just got a little sick. >> sometimes it's just -- it just comes out and you kind of have to live with it. i'm prepared. >> uh-huh. >> instead of the chapel, donny went with the hot tub. >> true. >> "l.a. times" a federal court jury says bank of america is liable for mortgage fraud for selling faulty tones through country wide. a program called "the hustle" rewarded employees bonuses based on the number of mortgages they approved. analysts say the verdict may prompt other wall street investigations. >> "the telegraph." the u.k. is abuzz after the christening of prince george of cambridge yesterday in front of 22 people at st. james palace. cute baby. while the 3-month-old prince

does have seven god parents, prince harry and pippa middleton were not on the list. hello? >> wow. >> rur-ro. prince george was baptized in the traditional lily font. how much did that cost? would like to know. also wore an exact replica of the royal christening robe. i'm not a royal watcher. are you? >> no. >> i don't get it. i'm so sorry. >> exact helperyca -- >> okay. have a good life. >> pippa snubbed. is that a snub? i don't know. >> let's drum up some drama. that's a big deal. >> imagine your brother has a kid. >> that's what i'm thinking. >> and seven people are god parents. >> who are those other clowns? >> my brother had a kid and i'm not the god mother. what? >> just don't get it. i don't care. and i don't get it. >> i don't get it.

>> get on board, donny. >> "chicago tribune." pinterest confirms it raised $225 million, boosting the valuation of the three-year-old company to $3.8 billion. the company hopes to use the new capital to continue to expand globally and grow its mobile service. pinterest is an online scrapbook which allows users to save photos to electronic pin boards. >> "wall street journal". as if flying wasn't uncomfortable enough, now some airlines are trying to fit more passengers on each plane. several major airlines will add an extra seat to each row on boeing 777s. this drastically reduces seat width to 17 inches, making room for ten seats in coach, as opposed to nine. by comparison -- >> it's a complicated graphic there. >> what am i looking at there? >> people are going to have to buy two seats. >> stadium seat, $19. not at fenway park. $19 in -- 17.

wow, that is seat. >> thank you, john heilemann. >> narrating the show. >> it's very hard to understand that graphic. i'm just struggling. >> if you let me continue -- >> no, it's good. i got it. it's fine. he's done a good job. >> that was going to be tight. >> that is going to be tight. good luck with that. >> 17 inches. smaller than a stadium seat. you know how tight those are nowadays. >> or maybe we're just getting bigger. >> there it is. >> okay. >> let's go to the politico playbook. the president, the ceo. >> oh, my goodness. >> of politico. but not just politico. also capital new york. >> oh, my lord. >> storming the city, these guys. >> just stop it. >> you should see my new porcelain tub. go to home depot, past the treated lumber, those nice sliding doors, the finest collection. >> wow. and do you have a chapel in your new home, jim? >> donny can go there. >> okay. good idea. keep you out of that one. let's take a look at the piece you have up. you're looking at how the republican party is sort of reconsidering its tactics and what it may have learned from

the shutdown and how to approach obama care, as well. >> well, and the one side, mitch mcconnell saying there is no way we're going to use the possibility of a shutdown to keep this to fund health care movement going. you don't have john boehner saying it in such muscular terms. sitting back, not ruling anything in, not ruling anything out. behind the scenes, i think everyone thinks it would be ludicrous for them to do a repeat of the last strategy, which took all of the attention away from the rollout of this health care thing, which has been one of the biggest debacles for president obama's presidency. they want to keep the focus on that and hope this thing keeps going bad and they don't have to worry about the right wingers that really do want to continue to use the possibility of a shutdown to do something on health care. >> so what happens then on this next deadline then, january 15th? you know, do people like ted cruz and others, do they use this moment again? i mean, obviously, he feels like he hasn't been humbled by it, he has been emboldened by what happened in the wake of the shutdown. so what happens on this next

deadline, which is two months away? >> i don't think anyone has a clue what's going to happen. and the fact that it happened so quickly that you have a deadline in january, a deadline in february, means you could have a repeat of real drama. i think they're going to try to come to some spending agreement in the interim, in between there, and hopefully that would get people beyond health care, beyond these month-to-month fights. but republicans have no con census at this point. and like you said, ted cruz goes home and he's treated like a hero. so they're not humbled by the process. i think they look at the polls, and is i think even the real hard liners would say these polls are not good for the republican party and losing the majority in the house, which was unthinkable, would be disaster for the party. so i think they're going to temper it a little bit. but there is no guarantees. >> hey, jim, real quick. walk us through this dick durbin story. you guys updated senator durbin, saying during the shutdown negotiations, one republican leader said he, quote, cannot even stand to look at president obama. said it to the president in a meeting. the white house yesterday, jay carney, denied that account.

speaker boehner denied that it happened. but senator durbin on follow-up said he stands by his story. what happened in that room? >> we don't know. either dick durbin is lying when he makes that allegation, or one of the republican leaders is one of the biggest jerks we have known in the presence of a president. so either one of those storylines to me is a fascinating story. but dick durbin, the onus is on him, he needs to come clean. who said this, who told him that? was he in the room? which republican leader? that would be -- what context? that would be such a display of 'tis respect that even in this town in this moment, when everyone is acting so nasty, that would really take it to a limit that we have not seen before. so i think dick durbin, the burden is on him to tell us who actually said that. >> do we even know if he was saying it was a house leader or senate leader? he suggested it was a house leader, correct? >> we assume it was a house leader, but we don't know. when the house says it's not true, and cantor's office says it's not true, either dick durbin witnessed it or somebody

told dick durbin about it and the fact that he put it on facebook publicly and is standing by it, saying someone did say it, i do think the burden is on him to tell us, who is that someone? and so far they're not doing that. >> politico's jim van vandehei. allison wolf describes how a small segment of well educated women are leaving the rest behind. her provocative new book is next on "morning joe." this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. it's not the "juggle a bunch of rotating categories" card. it's not the "sign up for rewards each quarter" card. it's the no-games, no-messing-'round, no-earning-limit-having, do-i-look-like-i'm-joking, turbo-boosting, heavyweight-champion- of-the-world cash back card. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere, every damn day. now, tell me, what's in your wallet?

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♪ here with us now, professor of public sector management at kings college in london. allison wolf. she is out now with the new book, "the xx factor: how the rise of working woman has created a far less equal world oh." what a fascinating concept. i agree with a couple points i see here. first of all, what prompted you to take on this project? >> i've written an article a few years ago, and it had an enormous response from people who i thought would rate hate it, and actually liked it. i basically became very aware of the fact that people like me, and i guess like you, were living lives that were more and more different from our mothers and more and more like that of the men in our lives. but i also became very aware that it was actually just a small portion of us for whom that was true. that essentially, we were leading lives that were very different.

and a lot of women were leading lives that were very much the same. what's the biggest set back that is kind of wrapped in what as seen as positive and step forward for women? >> i think it's the classic choices. one of the things that comes out very clearly is this widening gap between highly educated professional women and other women and when they decide to start a family. and really, there is -- there's a crunch. it's not that people sit down when they're 18 and say i'm going to have a kid when i'm 35. what happens is you make choices and things happen and you make decisions. and then you're in a different position. and so a huge number of very poorly educated women and moderately educated women will have families in that their 20s. so i think that is a down side, because it's not just that whether or not you do have a family, it's also that i think you end up with this position where you have your families

later and later. men and women. just when your parents are least help. >> right. >> and i think even though we live longer and work longer, i think there is a real crunch. >> so, i'm going to ask a follow-up on the sub title. how have working women led, which, of course, this is -- this -- the sub title seems to be written to provoke a fight. how -- do working women create a less equal world? >> well, if everybody was not very well off, and some people start becoming very well off, the result is you have great years in quality. part of it is by definition. if women are making decent money for the first time in history, women as a whole are going to become much less equal. if those women also marry men like themselves, you start to have this group of what i've called super families. these are families where you've got two good careers, two highly n networked parents, people really aware of what the world is like these days. and you see them drawing away. and it's very bad.

>> i see what you're talking about. nicole. >> i wonder what divisions and what damage this does to the sit sister hood of mommies. you hear about moms being the working moms and it gets cliched, at least here. i wonder what you saw in terms of a support network or women taking on women. what do you see among women? >> i think in a way, women get much too worked up about this. much too worked about stay at home versus not stay at home. the stay at home moms are actually wealthier because if everybody else is working, you have to work too, otherwise you can't cover the mortgage. one of the things that really surprised me was that in a way, the intensive parenting is done by everybody. so it's not that working moms neglect their kids. what they do is pay a real price in their own leisure time. they have very, very stressed lives. so i think that in a way -- you wouldn't grio owe i would

definitely agree. i think the thing that in a sense worries me, and this goes back to the sub title and am i trying to provoke. i'm trying to make people aware, that really, you can only have a two-career professional lifestyle. if you also have a servant class. and we to have a servant class, a new servant class which we didn't have in the '50s and it is overwhelmingly female. and it's not that this is necessarily -- no previous society would have been surprised. people had servants. that was what all families did if they could afford it. but i think you also have to recognize, if you have a really high-powered, two-career or even one-career and a wife who is managing the three houses, there have got to be servants. to have women. >> wow. >> i have a lot of friends as younger sisters or mid 20s went to grade schools and have nannies, but i also have friends, women who have high- t

high-buttered careers and packed it in to have children. contrary to popular belief, it's not stay at home mothers and fathers who spend the most time with kids but families, the same people who work the longest hours. i don't believe that. >> if you don't believe it, it's because you're actually putting in an extra an he can active which i didn't have there. stay at home graduate professionals. if you have a graduate professional who is stay at home and they're a tiny number, i'm perfectly prepared to believe they spend more time. but what the numbers show, if you compare working professional mothers, who are the vast majority of professional mothers, just the overwhelming majority, if you compare them with women who are staying at home, as a group, they spend more time. they are really anxious, intensive parenters. >> she is laughing. because she is so anxious. and -- >> attentive. >> that it is -- that by --

>> crying and laughing. >> you don't sleep much, do you? >> no. >> i believe you completely. >> and by the way, i mean, it's fascinating that, you know, it's such a change. talking about the servant class. it's such a change from how we all grew up, and yet, you know, nicole, you're married to, you know, a very successful husband. mika, you're married to a guy that's got, like, 8 billion emmys. and you guys work all of the time. and then you come home and then you're frantic about your kids. >> yeah. >> and, you know, it's so funny. and i will tell you this. as you get a little older, there will come a time, brian shactman, when your kids are like 16 or 17 or 18 and you feel guilty because there's like one thing you're missing. and then you'll stop and you'll go, and this is what i say all of the time. i love my dad so much. he meant the world to me. but i will tell you what, i sometimes stop and go, i have

spent more time with my children this week than my 60s dad spent with me over a decade. and it is -- you know, my kids don't love me anymore than i loved my dad. but -- and i've been doing it for 25 years. i'm about to pass out. but you're right -- explain that. it's anxiousness. >> where does it come from, our guilt? >> more for us than the kids, though. it's us. >> i think it's a combination. >> and dad guilt too. >> i do think that men also feel more guilt towards their wives than they used to. so probably your dad, like mine -- >> didn't have it. >> "the xx factor: how the rise of working women has created a far less equal world." you're great. >> congratulations. >> amazing. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." ♪

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reason boston is the best in the west. >> i love him. all right. time now to talk about what we learned today. donny. >> i learned, sadly, that john heilemann and willie geist are going out with their beautiful wives to dinner, saturday night, in an unnamed restaurant in brooklyn, and i was not invited. just saying. >> donny, you're invited right now. >> i don't want to force myself. >> oh, oh. since when have you ever wanted to force yourself anywhere. >> just duly noted. >> after reading your blackberry, i can imagine why you would not be invited. and i -- >> whoa. >> i -- >> let me say that what i have learned today is more than i ever wanted to know about donny's bedroom. >> oh, my god! >> and the photograph on that -- device, the incriminating photograph. all that bedroom -- >> who was in the bed? >> and the woman in bed who looked an awful lot like you. >> mika? >> in fact, i'm pretty sure it was you. >> true or false? >> not anything that should be ever seen in public. >> it's not what you think. >> it's exactly what you think. >> it's not what you think. >> it's exactly what you think.

>> i -- >> we were shooting a promo. >> oh! >> so scary on so many levels. >> there it is. >> the one that i saw, you looked a lot happier and more sated. >> you guys have to wrap this up. good luck. >> chuck todd is next. >> chuck todd? >> "the daily rundown." >> "the daily rundown." ♪ ♪ whoa ♪ i understand about indecision ♪ i'm totally scarred by that, donny and mika photo. grab your pitch fork. the tech companies blind behind the rocky rollout of healthcare.gov get an earful from the house. that hearing is starteding now and we'll take you there live when things really get going. meanwhile, another issue being discussed at the white house and on the hill. it's called immigration. is there a chance that something, anything, could happen before the end of this year? probably not. also this morning, a