state. hunting ground. the search on for two americans captured off the coast of nigeria. we'll have a man who lived out this scene in real life warns of the growing danger at sea. >> this is the mo for nigerian army. it is dangerous out in the gulf of guinea. >> also today spy games. we're going to talk to the tweeter who turned tables on former nsa chief michael hayden. this as germany and france demand a sitdown with the u.s. to air their anger over reports nsa eavesdropped on the conversations of 35 world leaders. jon stewart seemed to think they should consider this a good thing. >> get over it, turn that frown upside down, don't think of us as overly aggressive superstar, think of us as what anyone is looking for in a partner, a good listener. a great listener. the best listener in the history

of the world. we appreciate you being good listeners today. thanks for being with us. good day from washington. i'm peter alexander. from my friend andrea mitchell. facing opposition from a growing number of democrats who believe their constituents deserve an extension on the deadline to enroll in the health care law exchanges. nine senate democrats have signed on jeanne sheheen's letter, growing political problem for the president to get good news on this faulty website. joining us for our daily fix chris cillizza, msnbc contributor and host of "in play," susan page in person. chris, we'll begin with you. at the very least numbers have to make folks in the white house worry. growing bipartisan lawmakers in

both the house and senate seeing a delay is a good way forward on this. the unity that helped this president during the shutdown fight is gone. how does he revive it? >> peter, i think it's not just the numbers but the people who have signed on. if you look at the ten democratic senators who have signed on, too, this is not a huge thing. but delaying the open enrollment period for some unspecified amount of time first offered by jeanne sheheen, kay hagan in north carolina. i would add an interesting one, michael bennet in colorado. michael bennet not up for re-election until 2016. he is the chairman of the senate democratic campaign arm which to me tells you about everything you need to know about the politics of this at the moment for democrats in sort of targeted seats. >> susan, i want to ask you about what happened moments before we sat down here. we heard from the man described as glitch czar, jeff zients

saying by the end of november the majority of uninsured americans will be able to get through healthcare.gov site. they set a deadline. is this enough to fix the problem. >> enormously helpful the press conference they just had, press call. they have done a classic thing they need to do when you have a catastrophe on your hands. one, we made a mistake. two, we're sorry. three, we will fix it and set a deadline to do that. if he gets it done, site up and running in a positive way by the end of november, i think the white house will have gotten through this crisis in a pretty good way. there is no god of second chances on this. if the site is full of glitches when you get into december, then i think the white house is facing a serious situation. >> seems remarkable. if they can get this done in that period of time, a lot of celebrating given the fact some say this is six months to a year it would require to be fixed. chris i want to ask you on separate topic, any fiscal grand

bargain, paul ryan, harry reid on a nevada radio station. >> that's all happy talk. i would hope that were the case, but we're not going to have a grand bargain in the near future. i hope that we can do some stuff to get rid of sequestration and go on to do some sensible budgets. >> lowering expectations or facing facts? >> no, i think facing facts, peter. for all the talk of a grand bargain, look at the last few sort of crisis we've had. there's sadly enough of them we have a working group of examples. we can barely agree on small bore thing much less lets put entitlement reform, tax increases on the table. we're just not there. i don't think we're going to be there until maybe after the 2016 election when some of these big issues of what we should do as a

country with our debt and spending problems come -- are judged by the american public. i'm not convinced for the 2016 election. paul ryan and harry are politically realistic, a nice idea. there's nothing in the recent past in terms of congress and their dealings with the president that suggest it can happen. >> we're going to use, chris, your worst weekend to launch into the final topic for this conversation. this is the worst week in washington from maryland attorney general doug genzler. he says he's reading a text, looks like he's taking photo. >> could be kool-aid in the red cups, probably beer in the red cups. i didn't go over and stick my nose in and see. could i, if i had been more observant seen red cups and

assume there's beer in them. >> is that your hand in the cell phone taking the picture. >> that's my hand -- my guess is reading a text. i don't know how to take pictures. i do now but i'm not sure i knew then. >> what do you do if you're advising him right now. what do you do? >> same thing the white house had to do. you say you're sorry, made a mistake, promise not to do it again. start making ads for mothers against drunk driving. >> he made ads before this. >> it's not just that he was a top law enforcement official, it's also that he was a parent. as somebody who has two boys who graduated from high school. i can tell you if i found them in that place, i would have grabbed them by the scruff of the neck and drug them out of there. >> one of the campaigns he supported against underage drinking. obviously that doesn't look good against this new backdrop. chris, to you, michael hayden on the acela, gansler, when does washington learn social media isn't going to do them any

favors. >> the thing i'm struck, michael hayden might be the best example of this. why would you conduct the interview on the acela. >> between washington and new york. >> the chances of someone with access to twitter, political, like tom, it's basically one to one correlation. i don't understand. the gansler thing to me is remarkable. not only did he sort of have a two-hour sitdown with the baltimore sun which he explained himself, then he went and had this press conference which by any judgment i think it was a disaster. i don't get it. look, as someone who writes in washington every week, i thank these people for their contributions but it continues to be remarkable to me that it happens. >> in fairness, there could have been kool-aid in those red solo cups, although it seems highly unlikely at this point. chris cillizza, thank you very much. whatever you put in your cup, enjoy it. susan page, good to visit with you as well. thanks. a new no spy agreement with

the united states on the heels of reports that the national security agency has been monitoring phone calls of more than 30 world leaders. the german government said officials will travel u.s. shortly for talks. >> for germany it is unacceptable that the mobile phone of our chancellor may have been subject to surveillance activities by our american powers. for us, spying on close friends and partners is totally unacceptable. this undermines trust, and this can harm our friendship. we expect that these activities that have been reported will be comprehensively investigated. >> joining us now steve clemens, editor-at-large at the atlantic. you were susan page a moment ago and made a quick switch. good to see you. angela merkel has been outspoken saying trust has been badly

damaged between two countries. closest allies said if the facts here are true, this is really bad. how bad is this? >> i think it's really bad. foreign minister bella laid it out clearly, this is something you expect -- you expect china to spy on us, we're spying on china, russia, iran, north korea but when it comes to allies with each other and engaged in battling some of the same common concerns, for them to know we're listening to every move they make is very disconcerting. it's become very public. barack obama with the nsa issue domestically in the united states is saying, listen, americans, we're not listening in on your specific phone calls, trust us. chancellor merkel we're not listening to your specific phone calls, trust us. the problem is there is no more trust. >> how do you rebuild that trust? how do you rebuild? what are the consequences? >> the only way out is really along the lines i think germans and french initiated, which is a

political discussion. the united states is an intelligence industrial superpower. we are so technologically advanced beyond any nation. germany can think it can block us but never will be able to do so. japan, you can go around, look at anyone that tried to put up a shell. the nsa is a phenomenal machine able to penetrate those. ultimately you have to have a pledge from someone like barack obama that says we will not do it. we will sign the dotted line both what public sees and what we secretly negotiate and that's the way to solve it. >> the potential exists for had room for change put up usa to do a editorial. president's homeland security counter-terrorism lisa monaco conceded recent concerns created challenges with allies and said the president ordered review of surveillance policies writing, we want to ensure we are collecting information because we need it and not just because

we can. so how realistic given the fact we can do this that we would pull back on doing it. >> i think it comes back to a u.s. question about the role of congress and oversight. the president gave an important speech at the national defense university inviting u.s. congress and inviting the public to come in and take back latitude and powers the white house had taken for itself in the global war on terror. that hasn't happened yet. the president keeps saying this is an important conversation the nation needs to have, important issues to discuss. we see congress derelict in its duties of setting up what the boundaries really are. i think until that really happens, i wouldn't expect that the nsa would be the kind of institution to become penetrating everything to become a warm and fuzzy version of itself. i think it's going to take a struggle and knockdown fight between the branches of government and angry citizens that want to see a different outcome. >> at some point we learned you don't need to be nsa to spy on conversations not too far away

from you. >> tom is a good friend of mine. he got lucky. >> he did get lucky in this case and picked up a bunch of followers in the process. must read tweeting. he was on the acela it sitting behind nsa director who was having a conversation. some of the tweets, on acela listening to michael hayden giving interviews. i feel like i'm in the nsa except in public. what kind of problem -- this isn't good. >> mike hayden is a distinguished public servant. he's a patriot. there's a kind of arrogance. people like dana priest at the "washington post" did an expose on the broad intelligence community, how sprawling it is and how big. i think what happens, it lives in the shadows, lives in the gray area and people at the helm think rules and gravity don't

apply to them. i think what we've seen is a manifestation on the acela tom captured. i suspect mike hayden isn't a renegade guy. that element and character is in other people at the top levels of the national intelligence beaurocracies. >> steve, nice to visit. your friend tol tom matzie will be joining us here. he'll talk to us later about his experience. >> give him my regards. >> we will. white house goes pink for breast cancer awareness. it was lit up to honor families who battle the disease and felt its impact. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. ♪ [ alarm sound for malfunctioning printer ] [ male announcer ] you've reached the age where you've learned a thing or two. [ metal clanks ] ♪ this is the age of knowing what you're made of. so why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? [ gears whirring ] talk to your doctor about viagra.

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senate that junior senators should be seen and not heard. i haven't entirely managed to comply with that. >> that was senator ted cruz on his first trip ever to iowa over the summer just three months ago. he's now making a return trip, pretty much becoming a fixture in that 2016 state. nbc's casey hunt it's there alongside him or will be later. it's looking a little like january right now in the great state of iowa. give us a sense if you can, set the scene. where is senator cruz going to be this weekend? which other well-known republicans will join him. >> hey, peter, we are having a little cold snap in iowa. cruz is starting here in des moines where he'll be speaking at the reagan fundraising dinner, an annual event. heading for a pheasant hunt with

congressman stephen king, the right wing congressman whose district is out in the more conservative part of the state, a critical area for conservative republicans to court. cruz is the republican of the moment out here in iowa, gracing the front page of the des moines register today. i actually spoke with king at some length about where he stands. he pointed out there are three things he's had to do, king had to do to keep him independent of the party which is where cruz is heading. independent funding, independent media profile not dependent on establishment figure and staying popular at home. those three things are what cruz is building on here. he doesn't have support from moderate establishment republicans. they have pretty much rejected him. a lot of them aren't coming to the dinner tonight. among the activists there's a lot of excitement. i will say they are having warnings. i spoke to rick perry in iowa.

he was at one point what turned out to be a flash in the pan. they were warning, the last texan who tried to do this kind of crashed and burned. this stage is really a lot bigger than any one you can step onto as a united states senator. terry brand said the governor of iowa alluded to that when he said he had make kind words for cruz but also said he was young, sort of alluding to his inexperience. we'll see how he continues to handle himself on the stage here. >> sometimes that inexperience can get ted cruz into trouble, kacie, nigerian e-mail scammers running a site. nigerian ambassador responded by saying, i'll put it on the screen, "we deplore the statement and we demand an apology and we demand it be withdrawn." is that sort of shooting from

the hip style the folks of iowa, the conservative community there likes about this guy? >> there's definitely sort of a strain of anger among activists here that cruz seems to have tapped into. what they like about him, he didn't seem to back away from the fight. the shutdown wasn't necessarily popular here. but what cruz stood up and did was be aggressive and not apologize. that's sort of what i'm hearing as i talk to activists about what they like about him, sort of his willingness to say things that aren'tne that aren't necessary popular. the filibuster, easy to make a mistake. >> all bundled up reminds me of you and me chasing the romney campaign. >> i miss you out there. >> we'll see you in iowa but maybe waiting a little longer. thanks so much. appreciate it. to a passenger on a flight from d.c. to dallas-ft. worth,

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vessel itself has been located. jim miklaszewski filed this report a little earlier today. >> reporter: in a brazen attack pirates kidnapped the two americans off this u.s. flagship, the sea retriever. the heavily armed pirates easily boarded the slow-moving ship and methodically singled out americans, captain and engineer and took them ashore as hostages. it all happened in the gulf of guinea off nigeria with no military patrols and steady stream of heavily laden cargo ships has become a hunting ground for pirates. acts of piracy decreased around the world. pirates off the coast of nigeria have skyrocketed 30% this year. >> joining us for more on this topic jim miklaszewski. thanks so much. any identity on the american, any new information on who the kidnappers were either? >> no. the u.s. shipping company based in louisiana is keeping a very tight hold on all this

information. it appears that we've entered a waiting phase here. we've heard nigerian claim they are going to rescue hostages. we've heard a rebel group say, no, no we're going to go in and rescue hostages, probably at a cost. but nonetheless, there's no indication anybody knows where these pirates are currently holding these two americans. when i talk about a waiting game, u.s. officials have told us they are actually stepping back and allowing the private company to pursue whatever avenues to get those americans back are, which means it sounds as if they are planning, at least to pay a ransom to get americans back. the way most pirate kidnappings work, the company eventually pays a ransom, hostages are released. these major shipping companies simply write it off as a cost of

doing business. they are not only in pirate alley, somalia, gulf of aden but now in the gulf of guinea. >> mik, we just on the screen put up a graphic that demonstrates the fact most americans don't know right now there have been 40 piracy attacks in the first quarter, 29 in nigeria's waters. most are familiar because of the movie and story of captain phillips with the idea of somali pirates but it's the western coast of africa that's the real danger zone. >> that's right. you know what's remarkable, piracy attacks overall all around the world are down 30% so far this year. the number of pirate attacks in the gulf of guinea are up 30% this year, in part because u.s. military officials say the kind of piracy operations we see in gulf of aiden are not conducted in the gulf of guinea, pirates

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>> peter, no one knows the answer to that. that's why this is really a very difficult time for so many other reasons as well for the students in this community. school is back in session. we expect high school to be done for a day in a half hour or so. the students are in a school that's essentially a crime scene. new details emerging about what happened. it's a horrific crime. the teacher was apparently attacked in a student bathroom. the weapon, we understand, was a box cutter. there was apparently a lot of blood at the crime scene. video surveillance pictures, perhaps as many as 200 cameras around the school that apparently captured the suspect following the teacher into the bathroom and disposing of the body in a trash bin, wheeling it out and getting it into the woods. all this happened late in the afternoon of we spoke to students who say they saw them together around 2:00, 3:00 in the afternoon. that's a time when there are a lot of students here, afternoon

activities, sports teams practicing clubs together. so for those reasons, it's just a very, very difficult time and a very frightening time for a lot of students. they wanted to get o.j. on with this, move forward. now there's extra security on hand. they feel it's important to move forward, honor the legacy of the teacher they lost and try and get past this as difficult as it may be. >> ron, more than 1,000 people, 1,000 parents showed up for a meeting to get a better understanding of what happened and what the school is doing for security measures going forward. the conversations you've had with folks in that community, do they feel any better assured at this point? >> they feel very reassured based on the conversations last night. it was a large crowd. i'm sure it was an emotional meeting, a private meeting. when we spoke to parents left, felt like it was the right thing to do, safe thing to do to send

kids here. one thing about the suspect. he's a transfer student, arrived this summer from tennessee, first semester, first week at the school. a newcomer. so if there's any comfort to be taken in that perhaps he was not a member of the community as others would have been. so perhaps that helps people see this as more of an aberration. it is an aberration. these things don't happen every day. that's one way perhaps people are looking at this. the bottom line is since this happened, this community has tried to come together. there are huge vigils, huge counseling sessions, parent presently information meeting. that's been their strategy to come together, support each other and get through this. that's why kids are at the high school. other schools open, grammar schools since this happened. now again back in school today and we hope to hear from them shortly. >> ron, thanks so much. a terrible story the second time this week obviously we've learned of a teacher killed near

the school where they work. ron allen in massachusetts. ron, thank you. some other headlines for you, mystery of the little girl maria has been solved after a dna match found with a couple in bulgaria. the blond haired, blue eyed girl, there she is living with a roma family in greece. dna tests show she was not related to the couple who claimed to be her parents, which sparked an international investigation. the woman now proven to be the woman's biological mother told bulgarian tv that she gave birth to a girl while living in greece but had to leave her there because she simply didn't have money to take her home. at least for the time being maria will stay in the care of a greek charity until she can be returned to bulgaria. steps leading up to the museum of art, they are famous

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questioned whether it was the president himself or the elder and more politically experienced dick cheney that had the upper hand in that relationship. a new book by peter baker, white house correspondent for "new york times" argues while cheney was a historically influential vice president, it was bush that was clearly in charge. the book highlights many of the differences of opinion between the two men. the former vice president spoke to savannah guthrie on that very topic. >> obviously we had differences. he promised me. i was more influential in the first term because he was new then and needed my advice more than he did in the second term. i don't find it surprising we had differences. he have the president, i was the vice president. i got to offer my advice. sometimes he took it, sometimes he didn't. >> joining me now is peter baker, author of "days of fire, bush and cheney in the white house." nice to have you again.

before we talk about that, i want to ask you about news making headlines, germany and france coming to the u.s. to have a sitdown, powwow to talk about nsa surveillance, the fact that 35 world leaders, they believe, had their communications overheard by white house. how surprising is this to you that this administration is in many ways expanding policies that the bush cheney white house pursued. >> very interesting. legacy of the last administration lives on. it lives on in different ways. it lives on in the issues we're debating like surveillance and even some of the other economic issues we've been talking about, lives on that the successor president, president obama who promised to do a complete 180 adopted a lot of policies and changed to some extent, kept a lot of the same approach. >> about these two men dick cheney on the screen right there and george bush, this is a partnership that almost never happened. among those that said we shouldn't go there is karl rove. >> fascinating scene president

bush, then governor bush brings in adviser karl rove and said you don't think dick cheney should be vice president, why not? he has to give his case with cheney in the room. >> remarkable. >> gamely goes ahead and outline, too much like your father's administration calling him in for the new one. >> so many americans have a cartoonish view of that relationship, puppeteer, puppet master. you dispel that. how did this relationship work? >> exactly right, much more complicated. certainly the vice president was more influential as he told savannah guthrie in the first term. but even on the first term he was rejected he wanted to attack iraq six or eight months earlier, avoid united nations on that. president bush went the other way. second term president bush moving apart. he was focused on policy, cheney thought a bad idea, on the opposite side of most issues

confronting the white house. >> wan to pin down on what separated the two, drove them apart. the atlantic said bush cheney marriage ended in a fight over another man. an interesting way to describe it. >> vice president cheney's chief of staff scooter libby, convicted in leak case, obstruction of justice, bogus prosecution, goes to the president in the last days of the administration. you have to pardon him. you have to do this. president bush assigns lawyers to go back and look at it, decides i'm not going to. this final climatic moment, you're leaving a good man wounded on the field of battle. harshest thing in years, quite an ending. >> encyclopedia of that experience, one that struck me was the pr nightmare when dick cheney shot his good friend and hunting partner harry whittington in the face.

it was laura bush ultimately who said we've got to get on top of this. >> she didn't interfere a lot. she was not a player in politic the way hillary clinton had been. she felt immediately this was a bad thing for the white house. she had her staff contact the president's staff and vice president's staff, why aren't we getting this out there. lets get this out to the public. tells you. >> took days. >> vice president go on tv and talk about it. >> days of fire, where does that title come from? >> second inaugural address, president bush talks about 9/11 as a day of fire. the til the title of the book reflects eight years of crisis, war, economic collapse, natural disaster, crisis after crisis, consequential eight years these two men had to confront. >> i want to put up a quote. you wrote cheney's public battle with obama seemed like a proxy for his private battle with bush. out of deference and deep

respect for protocol he could say so much as he watched bush compromised in years in office. seems like he's unshackled with this new president. >> bush went back, i'm done with politics. said he saw obama raise his hand and he thought free at last. cheney was free at last. free to express himself and frustrations building up several years. obama a more convenient target. a lot of issues taking on with obama, surveillance, detention, counter-terrorism were issues he also had with president bush. >> peter baker, nice to visit you in person. nice to read your experiences over the course of many years. appreciate it. coming up next, tom matzie who is joining us. he, if you haven't heard, is the guy who overheard former nsa director michael hayden's conversation on the train and tweeted it out. we're going to ask him about it. max and penny kept our bookstore exciting and would always come to my rescue. but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself.

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former nsa and cia director michael hayden spoke to reporters. things like cia policy and his current opinion of the current administration. the problem was he was on the train on his cell phone and oves like tom matcy, sitting only a few seats away, a former director with moveon.org and began tweeting what he heard. he wrote, he was bragging about ren did and black sites a minute ago. i guess the train ride ended for you in new york. if you can help us out, how did you first realize this was michael hayden, just passed him and saw him? >> at first i didn't realize it was michael hayden, for probably the first 30 minutes of the train ride, i thought it was james clapper. i've been out of politics for a few years and run ethical electric now so i didn't recognize him immediately. after the third phone call, i

looked back one more time, that's not clapper, that's michael hayden. >> you were basically sitting back to back there? >> no, he was -- no, he was not behind me. he was another row behind that. he was that loud. he was the loud guy on the train. so i thought at some point -- i felt compelled to share what i was experiencing. and that's why i took to twitter. >> you certainly shared. on a cell former nsa spy boss michael hayden a handful of interviews bashing administration and said listening michael hayden give off the record interviews i feel i'm in the nsa only i'm in public. i want to put up a picture. you two took a photo together, he found out this was taking place. what was that moment like when he approached you, the guy who

had been live tweeting his entire off the record series of conversations? >> well, there was definitely a moment of kind of i clenched myself. he's not just the former head of the nsa but former head of the cia. there was a little bit of that. but i suspected he was probably going to be a gentleman and we would have a conversation and that's what happened. >> what did you talk about? >> he said, would you like a real interview? >> i'm not a reporter. he said everybody is a reporter. which i guess in the age of twitter i guess is true. then he sat down right across from me. i had a seat there, not somebody i knew prior to yesterday, and we discussed the fourth amendment and warrantless wire tapping and eavesdropping on foreign leaders now as you reported a big international scandal that's brewing. and we went through a variety of different topics and disagree clearly on the fourth amendment,

warrantless wiretapping and even the value of attempting to spy on our allies which seems like a tremendous risk as we're learning now. >> was there anything he said in particular that really struck you? >> i asked -- what i had overheard him talking is about president obama's blackberry a few times. i don't know the details, something in the context of why wouldn't they have known -- by they i assume they mean the obama white house, why wouldn't they assume this is happening, he wanted the blackberry, what did he think we were all concerned about when we said we didn't want to give it to you. the implication i got, he should have known we were spying on foreign leaders because we told him not to ugs the blackberry, i am employing we're listening to every other cell phone conversation in the world. >> you are now known as the michael hayden eavesdropper. you were in some ways spying on

the former head. cia and nsa, do you have worries? >> first of all, i don't think it's a fair characterization, he was in public, there's no reasonable expectation of privacy when you're on the train blabbing like that. the right thing for him to do wafb to stand up, walk to the end of the train to one of the more private areas and he would at that point be cloaking himself in a presumption earn expectation of privacy. i would have been violating his privacy at that point. >> or perhaps more wisely he could have gone to the quiet car and the conversation never would have happened. you're not looking over your shoulder nor should you. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> chris cillizza is back with us right now. that is the first time we heard the entirety of that story. it was remarkable through the end of the day yesterday, i checked twitter, one person after another was tweeting about tom mattzie. >> i remember tom well, one of the original folks involved in the moveon.org when howard dean

was running for president. i do not understand who anyone who is a public figure thinks that sort of talking at all loudly on the phone in -- we've been over this ground, peter, in -- someone from d.c. to new york, makes any sense at all. there's a quiet car. go in there for a few hours. you don't have to talk to anybody. you can sit and do whatever you like, look out the window, but conversations with reporters, with anyone when you're the former nsa secretary chief should not be happening in a public train car. >> the entire car is filled with people that work in some form of another between new york and d.c. >> twitter frenzy. >> have a great weekend. thanks for your time today. >> that's going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports", andrea will be right back along with mya ank loo.

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