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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. there's probably four or five names in the prison system that you automatically hear of. jimmy maxwell is one of them. it's folklore. >> after a daring mistake, an infamous inmate is booked into the jail. >> i was not going back, i promise you that.
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jimmy was not turning himself in. >> james stephen maxwell, he could be considered somewhat of a legend around here. >> i've taken down a few heavies over the years. >> now he faces consequences that go well beyond what a judge could give him. >> just as cool as he is. that's going to be the next jimmy maxwell. >> it's hard to explain a wasted life. you really felt like you was meant for more. i love you very much, brandon, and i'm very sorry that i wasn't there for you. >> now, "lockup" tells the story of a criminal legend. the family he left behind. and the devastating consequences of his decisions. ♪
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living in the heart of tornado alley, residents of tulsa, oklahoma, know to always be braced and ready for a destructive force of nature. it's also that way inside the walls of a half million square foot structure on the edge of downtown, the david l. moss criminal justice center, better known as the tulsa county jail. >> another day in paradise. >> most of the 1,800 men and women incarcerated here have only been charged with crimes and awaiting trial for the resolution of their cases. newly arrived james maxwell is an exception. he's not only a convict, but is as familiar to staff and inmates here as the turbulent storms that proceed most any twister. >> james stephen maxwell, you might say he could be considered somewhat of a legend around here.
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some of the inmates look up to him. they give him a lot of respect. he really upholds what they're going to call the outlaw dance with law enforcement. >> jimmy maxwell, jimmy's a legend in the department of corrections in oklahoma. he's a tough guy. not one to be messed with. for sure. good guy, good heart. if you cross him, he's going to come and he's going to be strong. >> that man is 74 and 2 at the granite boxing ring. of the penitentiary. behind the fence. 74-2 his record. >> maxwell, who spent most of his adult life behind bars did not earn his reputation solely through fighting. >> he's escaped from several facilities in the state of oklahoma. during that time, he got a heck of a reputation of not being able to be held. >> and just 14 hours earlier, maxwell fled an oklahoma state prison 60 miles outside tulsa. he was apprehended on the outskirts of town and suffered a black eye and shoulder injury in
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the process. >> due to him being an escape risk, we will use handcuffs, leg irons and a chain around his belly with a box and a padlock. >> we're going to have to black boxed. what this is is a system, it was actually invented by inmates in prison who have learned how to compromise the handcuffs. what it does is covers the key holes. that good for you? want me to give you slack? >> a little bit more. >> he might be a high escape risk, that's no problem. he's not going to get out of our facility. there's no way he's going anywhere. >> maxwell will remain at tulsa county until he's tried for the escape attempt. >> i knew what the consequences could have been when i did it. they were worth it to me. i almost got away with it. i wasn't out very long. i got away for about a day. i'm just waiting for it to be
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foggy, and i took off. >> maxwell has a total of ten convictions over the past 30 years. several of them for violent crimes like assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. at the time of his escape, he was serving 25 years for possession of drugs with intent to sell. and assault and battery on a police officer. due to a span of good behavior, maxwell was transferred to a minimum security prison three weeks before he decided to make a run for it. >> coming over the fence, i caught my pant leg in the top and i ended up face planting into the ground and knocked my shoulder out of socket. i ran for a mile and a half with my arm over my shoulder keeping it from flopping around because it was dislocated because i did not know what i was going to do. i was not going back. i promise you that. jimmy was not turning himself in. so i just laid down and just thought out how my arm goes together, and i had to lean forward and hook my hand and
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stretch it and just pray that it went back in, and it did. so when it slid back in, i was a very happy man. >> according to police reports, maxwell made it to the tulsa home of his stepdaughter, stephanie starr. a police officer was staking out the location by the time maxwell, starr and another friend left in another truck. >> next thing you know, he's like what the hell is behind us. i look and there's 30 cops. feds. i'm so mad and so upset that this is happening like this. this was probably the only chance i'd ever have. finally, when i got out of the truck, you know, i'm not complying very well. i just turned around and took off. they shot me with a beanbag. then they tased me with a taser. then they set the dog on me. when it was all said and done, you know, i'm like -- i mean -- i'm like, man, you guys, i don't know how you done it. but you guys are good. i got to give you that.
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if i'd have made it this time, i was just wanting to be somebody else. just be a citizen. i figured that if i stole a few years now, as much time as possible, who knows. if i could go out there and live a citizen's life, get one more chance at it, if i did get caught later on down the line, i would have still been able to look back on my life and see that i had a little bit of life to live. that i'd lived a little bit of life. that was my plan. not much of a plan, obviously, but they wouldn't have caught me at that moment in time, who knows, i might be living in l.a. know what i mean? with blond hair. know what i mean? coming up -- >> who knows how many people has been here drawing on this cell. not knowing what's coming next. not knowing where their life is going. >> jimmy maxwell settles in. and just down the hall -- >> i never meant to hurt nobody
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like many other urban jails, tulsa county invests in training staff to handle a variety of personalities, problems and emergencies. >> let's go. lockdown! let's go. lockdown! >> the jail opened in 1999. before that, officials recognized the importance of design, management of the facility. >> stand right outside your doors, gentlemen. >> everything in this facility was meant to affect the mental state. there are no -- there's no barbed wire. there's no fun tower. there's no viewpoint from outside that you can tell this is a jail. on the general population housing units, there's wooden
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doors. a lot of people, why wooden doors? if you've never been inside of a cell and heard the metal-on-metal shut of the door, you don't understand it. it's a mental thing. we have carpet on the floor in the day room. we have tables that are movable. we have chairs that they can pick and up move and sweep under and take them to their room and put on their desk. they have porcelain toilets. porcelain sinks. we do that for a reason. if you affect the mindset, you change the behavior. this facility was not built for the inmates. this facility was built for the officers who have to work here, bauds it's their day who's affected by the mood of the inmate, not the inmates. >> hey. thank you. >> while tulsa county took strides to make general population housing units more livable, it's one-person segregation cells offer the bare minimum in accommodations. inmates assigned to these cells have been cited for disciplinary problems or high security risks. having recently escaped oklahoma state prison, jimmy maxwell falls into the latter category. >> how are you spending your
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time up here? >> plansing my next move. no, i'm just kidding. >> the ten felony convictions and a criminal record spanning 30 years, maxwell has seen the insides of plenty of cells. but in this one, the prior occupant did what he could to make it feel like home. >> we got -- it's not really big screen, probably used to a lot bigger at home, but it's not too bad. got a stereo underneath of it. got pretty good speakers. this is what almost any cell is going to look like when you get throwed into it. it's going to look like this, it's going to smell like this, it's going to be hot like this, it's going to be closed in and boxed in like this. you're going to see stuff on the walls like this where some guy up here is marking down each and every day he has left. he marks it down from 1350 to 1325. i imagine he pulled chains and went to the penitentiary. who knows how many people's been here drawing on this cell. how many people's been in here
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just bored to tears. how many people have been in here not knowing what's coming next, not knowing where their life is going. here's days in the county jail, days in seg. it's just days upon days in this little old crappie cell. this is just the county jail. when you go past this, there is no end. i mean, it's just a gray concrete prison. we don't mark the days on the wall, we mark sets of pushups and things like that. because the days are ridiculous. you don't mark down days, you mark off years at a time. >> maxwell marked off half of his 25-year sentence. his escape is likely to add several more years back. now, as he awaits a court hearing on the matter, his time at the tulsa county jail is made even more painful. by the years another inmate might be facing. his son is in a cell just down the hall, and his future looks dim.
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>> my son is brandon maxwell. he's 19. i'm charged with second-degree murder. motor vehicles. and fleeing the scene of a fatality. i never meant to hurt nobody in my life. i'm more the type of person that would help that person before i ever hurt him. >> though brandon maxwell has entered a not guilty plea he speaks openly about the horrifying event that led to his second-degree murder charge. he says he was high on meth when he stole a van. according to police reports the owner, a 45-year-old wife and mother, rushed out of her house to stop him and was run over in the process. >> when it happened i didn't know i killed anybody. i remember getting in the van, backing up, then taking off. i remember going over a curb. that's what i thought it was i hit.
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i'm terribly sorry. terribly sorry. if i could go back, i would. i would take it all back. i can't. think about how her family's never going to get to see her. think about how she'll never get to see her family. if i have to go do life in prison, makes it kind of easier to think about going through that. >> the person that died in that and their families, i pray for you all and i'm so sorry. and he is, too. and he is, too. he is a good kid. he's got a lot of potential. i just see all that go down the tubes like this. it's hard for me. it's hard for me. i haven't accepted the fact that he's going to be a convict just like me. i'm not ready to accept that. i mean, i just knew his life was -- i just didn't want him to have to suffer the things -- the life.
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you know? i didn't want him to have to be sitting here like i am, at this age. you know? it's hard to explain a wasted life. how you feel about it if you really -- if you don't -- if you really -- if you really felt like he was meant for more. i just hoped for better. i just hoped he would have a good life. >> what would you say to your son right now? >> i'd tell him that i love you very much, brandon. and i'm very sorry that i wasn't there for you. and i didn't lead a normal life. i didn't raise you like a normal dad. and that you're not in college right now. i would just tell him i loved him.
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jimmy maxwell's one of them. he's a fighter, a good fighter. i don't remember hearing him losing a fight. jimmy's no nonsense. i mean, we all dealt dope in prison. business is business. if he didn't have his money, probably would have got socked in the jaw or a ball bat took to your head. >> he's notorious, that's all i say. >> i've taken down a few heavies over the years. i haven't gotten a lot of tolerance for not paying me. when i'm supposed to be paid. >> it's the living in there. dope, cigarettes. that's just -- that's the -- that's the dollar in there. it's how we survive. >> but even in prison, maxwell says he did better than just survive. >> i bought my wife a set of boobs, you know, from my drug dealing activities. that was a mistake, by the way. you don't want to do that while you're in prison. kids.
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>> maxwell says his violence was steeped in a moral code. >> i don't pick on people. i try to stand for what i believe is right. it's just like the time that i ran into a guy that raped my wife's best friend. so i broke his legs, his arms and his collarbone and his fingers and everything else with a ball bat on the yard and crippled him for life. i knew damn well he was regretting putting a hand -- forcing that girl to do whatever he forced her to do. you know what? it's what he had coming. i'll stand by that. i'll just stand by that. >> were you charged with that? >> nope. not till now, probably. but, i'm thinking the statute of limitations got to be up by now. >> maxwell isn't laughing, however, when it comes to his 19-year-old son, brandon. his troubles are getting worse. he was just given a ten-year
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prison sentence for violating his probation on a drug charge. he also faces life in prison if he's found guilty of second degree murder in his upcoming trial. according to police, he ran over a woman whose van he was attempting to steal. now seemingly following in his father's footsteps, brandon has just been moved into the segregation unit for fighting. it's not the first time he's had problems here. >> brandon has gotten into a number of disciplinary issues, problems. he's been put in seg a number of times for assault and possession of contraband. >> they found a shank in my cell. i have to protect myself. i'm not a violent person at all, though. but i know how to survive. >> word of the son of jimmy maxwell is already beginning to spread. >> brandon, that's as cool as he is, that's going to be the next jimmy maxwell. >> jimmy maxwell says he has not seen his son in three years, since brandon was 16. >> a quarter mile down the
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hallway. oddly enough, i feel a little closer to him. he's right down the street. >> i want to see my dad, you know? i won't probably ever get to see him again. i'm going to go to prison for a long time. he's going to go to prison for a long time. they're not going to let us be around each other. >> for now, the only way jimmy can see brandon is through a newspaper clipping about his current troubles. >> i don't actually have any other pictures of him, to be honest. that's the only picture of have of him right now, a mugshot. it's not a very good mugshot, either. he's very sad. that's the picture he come in on. i can see his eyes. i can see they're red-rimmed and i can see they're very sorrowful. >> sergeant collette supervises the segregation unit which currently houses both jimmy and brandon in different sections.
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he checks in with the inmates regularly and knows jimmy from prior stays here. >> unfortunately, you got to stay in here for a while. >> i'm aware of that. i cleaned up the house just because i knew i was going to be here for a while. >> yeah. >> have you noticed? >> he asked me if we could move his son next to him in the same unit. i said, unfortunately not, we can't. we have to keep that separate, family members and co-defendants, we have to keep that separated. he understood. he asked me to talk to the son because his son was heading down the same road he was. >> always in trouble and he's going to be facing some time. he doesn't really know how to deal with this yet. i don't believe he's doing so well right now because he's struggling with his identity. am i my dad's son, am i a convict. how am i going to live? have i got to live up to his reputation or make my own reputation? he's going through a lot of stuff right now. >> as parents you want your kids to always do better than you did. maybe i can get him turned, go the other way. i don't know.
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you know my old adage. free your mind, your ass will follow. maybe i can get him to go along with that program. >> you do pretty good, i know that already. >> well, i try to. >> maxwell has come to see prison as a long tunnel and prays someday brandon will reach the other end. >> he's got to put one foot in front of the other and keep on going and to the end of that tunnel and not make it worse. because it's too easy to do. if he gets caught up in trying to live a prison life, he's going to be subject to all the stuff that happens when you do that. happened to me. i wouldn't know what i'm talking about if it didn't happen to me. coming up -- >> i'm here right now for traffic and city warrants. i haven't paid any of them. keep forgetting. like $19,000 worth or something like that. >> tulsa county plays host to
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i'm veronica de la cruz. here's what's happening. the white house is promising the troubled health care website will be running smoothly by the end of november. an official says there are t dozens of problems but site is fixable. seven people hurt when a crowd tried to rush through a gate at howard university in washington, d.c., to get into a homecoming concert. newly released documents reveal a grand jury voted to indict jonbenet ramsey's parents in 1999 for child abuse but the documents did not accuse them of killing her. i am veronica de la cruz, and now back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. unlike many other large correctional facilities, the tulsa county jail was designed as a single-story structure with double-tiered cells.
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>> when we were designing this facility we went to many facilities around the country. the elevated, or the multistory buildings, cumbersome, and hard to maneuver. it separated the employees from each other. >> because the jail doesn't rise several stories high, it has a large footprint. roughly the same size as ten football fields. among its unique features are long, steadily ascending hallways that connect various housing units. >> the longest hallway is a quarter mile long in our facility. as you go up, it's elevated. >> each level corresponds with a specific housing unit. so if there's ever a problem staff would immediately know which unit to alert. >> because it's so long, it's a quarter mile long. the hump's going up, it helps us to see. we can have a visual on the inmates all the way down the hallway. >> the hallway has been traversed numerous times by inmates, including just a jimmy maxwell and his son, brandon maxwell. now, a third member of the
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family, will walk it as well. jimmy's stepdaughter, stephanie starr, had already been charged and released on bond for aiding jimmy in his recent escape attempt. she pled not guilty and was awaiting trial when another problem brought her back to jail. unpaid tickets. >> i'm here right now for my traffic and city warrants. i haven't paid any of them. i kept forgetting. like $19,000 worth or something like that. since 1996. >> if starr is found guilty for aiding in jimmy's escape, she could face prison time. >> oh, yeah. the big escape. my family is my family. i love them to death. i'm loyal to mine. i ain't never going to turn my back on any, whatever, you know what i mean? i'd do it again, know what i mean, in a heartbeat. >> jimmy maxwell is unaware his stepdaughter is housed in the jail's female unit. in the meantime, he freshened up his cell cleaning off the graffiti.
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he's found an old friend from prison, will flowers, is in the segregation unit across the hall. >> v. w. >> maxwell has been trying to teach flowers sign language but with mixed results. >> x. y. z. >> it's been 30 years since i've done any sign language. i'm a little slow at it. i probably suck at it. >> he's killing me. i got to tell you, he's killing me. >> sound it out. >> you are killing me. >> flowers is currently charged with possession of a firearm by a felon. he's pled not guilty and is awaiting trial. it was while serving time in prison he got to know maxwell. the two can spend time together one hour per day.
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they and other segregation inmates are released into an enclosed rec area. >> i want to say nice, but it's not like the park, i guarantee you. it's nice to be out here, have fresh air. it's nice to be out of that little old box of a cell. >> maxwell is still recovering from a shoulder injury he suffered during his escape. >> son of a gun. that was the wrong thing to do. >> so for now, he'll have to settle for being a spectator during rec time. >> this is just like being all dressed up and nowhere to go. know what i mean? i can't even hold the damn ball. >> jacob smith is more than 20 years younger than maxwell. but is already familiar with the legendary oklahoma inmate. >> been here 14 months. just in that 14 months, i have heard a lot of stories. a lot of stories about jimmy maxwell. everybody knows who jimmy maxwell is.
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in here, in the system, you hear a lot of stories about people who are bad asses and people who build up a reputation for themselves. jimmy maxwell is one of those people. everybody knows stories about jimmy, some of the things jimmy did on the yard. the people jimmy represented. he's -- i guess in a way you could say he's kind of a legend throughout the penal system. >> at this stage of your life, is that a good thing or a bad thing? >> it's a bad thing in the sense that i -- i mean, it's a good thing if you're going to spend the rest of your life in prison and you're going to be here and this is your home and this is where you're going to reside. but this is not what i really wanted to do with my life. i'm going to be honest with you, you been having a reputation and people -- i would give it all up just to be a good father.
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>> have you talked to your boy? >> no. i'm starting to wonder -- it's probably not going to happen, is it? >> i had the opportunity to meet brandon back when he first came here. and i never seen a kid so full of life. so full of joy when he talked about his dad. i think he -- he really looks up to his dad. >> thanks for saying that. >> absolutely. >> i think i needed to hear that. i haven't really heard that before. >> brandon maxwell has been released from segregation and returned to a general population unit. as usual, it doesn't take long to meet others acquainted with his father, like david childers. >> his dad was a real good friend of mine. i met him in prison when i was 17. acts just like his dad. >> childers has a unique perspective when it comes to brandon following in his
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father's footsteps. >> i understand it, my first cell partner was my father. >> man, wow. i didn't know that. >> i talked to my dad about it. it hurts the father, to see his son follow in his footsteps. >> this is a poem a minister gave me. it kind of touches me in a way that i really don't like, if you want to know the truth. its title is "walk a little plainer, daddy." it says walk plainer daddy said a little boy so frail, i'm following in your footsteps and i don't want to fail. sometimes your steps are plain, sometimes they are hard to see. so walk a little plainer, daddy, for you are leading me. someday, when i'm grown up -- someday, when i'm grown up, you are like i want to be. then i'll have a little boy who would want to follow me.
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i would want to lead him right and help him to be true. so walk a little plainer, daddy, for we must follow you. that's what you're supposed to do. you're supposed to walk a path that your child can follow and be proud of and be -- have a life and his child is supposed to be able to follow him from following you. he's following me all right. he's following me right to prison. and that's not -- that does not give my heart any joy. it does not give me any peace. i didn't walk very good for him. coming up -- >> what were you thinking? >> what do you mean what was i thinking? >> don't you think you're getting a little too old to be jumping fences and stuff? >> jimmy maxwell gets a visit from another of his children. ♪
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♪ the 1,800 men and women inside the walls of the tulsa county jail are all at turning points in their lives. some await trial while others serve short sentences for a variety of crimes. others are waiting for a jury to hand down a verdict or a judge to issue a sentence. as he approaches age 50, jimmy maxwell might be in the midst of a midlife crisis. re-evaluating what his reputation as one of oklahoma's most notorious inmates has done for him and to his family. >> am i feeling desperate now? yes. i am. you know. i've been spending so much time trying to get out of the mentality of accepting my life in prison that now i find myself having to try to get into the mentality of accepting it. and it's a fight. i'm fighting it every step of the way. >> maxwell was about midway through a 25-year sentence for drug possession and assaulting a
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police officer when he escaped from prison. he's now at tulsa county jail until a judge decides how many more years might be added to that sentence meanwhile, his 19-year-old son, brandon, awaits trial for second-degree murder. >> i know when he was in school and started having problems, it had a lot to do with me. not being there. >> i felt separated from my father, so i rebelled. know what i mean? i made wrong choices. >> i didn't help that i'm as well known as i am and they tell stories. know what i mean? he gets this picture in his mind of a badass dad. >> maxwell's stepdaughter is in the jail as well. she was recently arrested for her failure to pay about $19,000 in traffic fines. she also faces charges of aiding her father's escape. >> you're getting released. >> i am? >> but today, she's returning home. a friend has posted bond for
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her. >> oh, he bonded me out? >> somebody posted it. >> if starr is found guilty of aiding maxwell, her freedom could be short-lived. >> sign. third line down where it says inmate signature. for your property. >> are you going to behave? and not come back anymore? >> you say that to me all the time. yes. i'm going to behave. >> jimmy maxwell has seen a modest improvement in his life. he's been moved to a new cell, and it's a little roomier than his old one. >> my buddy, will, is next door. now we can talk and we can pass stuff back and forth pretty easy without much fuss and muss. >> passing items between cells involves a technique known in many jails or prisons as fishing. tulsa county inmates call it cadillacing. >> got a newspaper? >> i got a puzzle i'm sending you, bro. >> inmates tie objects to string and send them back and forth under cell doors.
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>> he made good burritos last night. he sent me a couple of them. they was the bomb. >> you can't cadillac a burrito. >> yes, you can. >> under the door? >> under the door. yeah, a burrito comes in a plastic bag like this. okay. he made me two of them, squashed them down, slid them underneath the door, hooked them on the string. i tied them on, brought them over here. bring it back to life once you got it out from under the door. it tastes delicious. >> i had to smash the hell out of them. >> you know what? i put them all back in shape. >> huh? >> i put them back in shape. >> did you really? that's good because i was thinking i was ruining the damn things. >> you gotta give me the recipe. okay? >> huh? >> you got to give me the recipe. >> maxwell tries to keep his spirits up. thoughts of brandon's upcoming trial for second-degree murder weigh heavily on him. he recently asked jail officials to allow him a brief visit with brandon. as a segregation inmate and an escapee, maxwell is considered a security risk. >> i mean, there is a real possibility that as bad as i
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don't want to think about it, it's -- we may never see each other again. >> once a week, however, maxwell is allowed to see other members of his family. his youngest daughter echo, along with her mother mary jo, have just arrived at the jail for a visit. mary jo and jimmy are divorced but maintain a friendship. both women are here to get some questions answered about jimmy's recent escape attempt. >> he thought it was an opportunity that he would -- it will probably cost him the rest of his life. >> who are you here to see? >> james maxwell. >> visitation for james maxwell for a visit. james maxwell. all right, go ahead. j-2. >> i just think it was so stupid, i just can't understand his thought process. he's a grown man. i guess he knows what he's doing or he thinks he does, anyway. >> he's a knucklehead.
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always has been. >> while mary jo visits brandon, echo goes to see her father. these visitations have been the routine since she was a little girl. >> i'm kind of used to it. just him not being there. having to see him behind glass or having to go through security to be able to see him. my dad's been in here a long time. i hate it for him. you don't want to see anybody you love locked up. but he wouldn't know how to act if he was out here anyway. my brother being locked up now bothers me a little more just cause he's my little brother. it's hard to -- you know what i would say to my father? because i wouldn't want to hurt his feelings, but it's his fault. it's his fault that my little brother is here.
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>> hey, sweetie. >> hey. >> what are you doing? oh, you look so beautiful. >> thank you. you look handsome yourself. >> you're my daughter, you have to say that. >> what were you thinking? don't you think -- >> what do you mean what was i thinking? >> don't you think you are getting a little too old to be jumping fences and stuff? >> sweetie, i mean, i broke my shoulder in the process. i mean, i'm obviously getting too old to be jumping fences. i'm just so tired of doing time. you know that. i just wanted to be out there with you guys, you know? i just wanted to be free, you know that. i mean, you know. i'm just tired of it. i'm tired of being locked up. i'm tired of being in jail, in prison. >> yeah. >> i don't know what else to say. i get discouraged and things don't work as fast as i want them to or i got more time than i expected or -- i don't know. i just don't want to be an old
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man getting out. miss everything again, with everybody again, you know what i mean? i mean, i'm upset, don't get me wrong, that i got caught. i wanted to be at the lake this summer. you know what i mean? i wanted to be visiting you all with blond hair. but, but i'm -- i might be able to get a chance to see brandon. and being able to do that -- i mean, being here for him, being able to, you know, being able to say some things for him that nobody else is going to say. i mean, to me, it's almost a fair trade. >> probably happened for some kind of reason, you know? >> yeah, because i should have never got caught that fast. it would have never happened if if it wasn't divine intervention. i'm telling you that right now. >> i don't know what's going on. i don't know how come things are happening the way they're happening. for the life of me i can't figure out how i got caught that fast.
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we're going to go get jimmy maxwell. >> for security reasons, tulsa county jail detention officers never alert high-risk inmates like jimmy maxwell as to when or why they're leaving their cells. >> he'll be cuffed up in a black box and be escorted down by us. >> where are we going? you going to take me out now, huh? >> yeah, we're going to take me out. >> take me out for burgers and fries? field trip. >> oh. >> hey, boy. hey, boy.
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it's good to see you, son. it's going to be fine, it's going to be all right. it is. i promise you. >> jimmy and his 19-year-old son brandon have not seen each other in three years. while jimmy says his legendary status as one of oklahoma's most feared inmates served him well in prison, it's cost him the ability to properly guide his son. but only now, with brandon facing prison himself, can jimmy offer some advice. >> no matter how it goes, you're going to have time to do. don't let this define you. don't let prison define you. there is people that are just -- if there is any light at the end of the tunnel, it's so, so, so small. they just make the prison their world, their home. i did that. you get caught into living in the penitentiary. this is my home.
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this is where i live. you stop caring. one day, i was looking through my photo album. i had photos of you and echo. i flipped through and flipped through there. as you got older and you got older and you was almost teenagers. i just realized how much i let you down. and -- i mean, i spent all this time in here trying to be -- look out for other people and look out for mine and look out for -- you know, fit in here. penitentiary, penitentiary, penitentiary. you know, and it was -- you know, i realized it was you guys that needed me the most. and i'd let you down. and you know, man, i'm a dumbass. and i learned through the years, the years that we wasted apart, that there is a light.
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no matter how dim it may seem. it's hard to stay in the tunnel and watch for that light and go for that light. it's much easier to not give a [ bleep ]. i'm going to tell you this right now. i know you and i can see the water in your eyes even when you are smiling and i know how much pain and how much anguish you're going through right now. i don't want to see your whole life gone. if you get 20, 25, whatever, i'm going to call that a blessing. if you get lucky like that, then you need to walk this walk and walk straight out that door and not come back like this. over and over again. >> i don't want to get caught up in that neither. that's not my plan. it never has been my plan. know what i mean? yeah, we all get discouraged and we all do things. we're human. we're men. we all get discouraged. we have to pull ourselves out of that. like you're saying, keep our eyes on that tunnel, on that light.
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>> as far as the escape stuff, maybe that's not what i was meant to do. god or whoever did not see fit for me to get away. i am not upset with being caught. i mean, well, that's not exactly true. i am a little upset about being caught. to be honest, i'm glad i'm here for you right now. >> everything does happen for a reason. it's obvious right now, sitting where we're at, that this all happened for a reason. we both needed this. i can't express to you how much we both needed this. >> as the visit draws to a close, the father and son have a final chance to be like other fathers and sons. >> think i put a little weight on? >> last time i saw you? yeah, a little bit. >> that rippled right there, man. >> yeah, yeah.
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>> i think our time is about up, son. come here, son. i love you very much. >> i love you too. >> love you. >> i love you, too, son. >> you weren't expecting that, were you? >> no, i wasn't. >> i hope it's not the last time i see him. i'm ready. >> ready? >> yeah.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> the screaming and the pounding and everything, for them it actually is quite normal. >> 210, baby. what's up? >> they have nothing better to do and they think they're some kind of gods or something.

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