good evening, americans and welcome to "the ed show" live from new york. let's get to work ♪ so the fcc won't let me be >> i'm convinced we're facing a new paradigm in politics. >> it's not too hard. >> the fcc sits at the center of a communications universe that is growing and changing faster than you can tweet. it is my great pleasure to nominate tom wheeler. >> oh, yeah, i know all about the fcc. >> subject to senate approval, tom wheeler, as chairman of the federal communications commission. >> mr. wheeler, dejavu. >> what did you just say? >> nothing. just had dejavu. >> in your judgment, does the fcc have the authority to otherwise regulate political speech? this is the one issue that in my

opinion has the potential to derail your nomination. to the business of regulating political speech. >> i'm going to go ahead and thank the senate now for what i'm sure will be a speedy confirmation process. >> this new paradigm has been bet attested. >> one of the oldest definitions of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over again. continuing to do the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. >> a little dejavu. >> that's shocking. >> time to turn things around. >> dejavu all over again. ♪ guess whose back ♪ >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. there he is. canadian senator ted cruz of texas. now there seems to be a great deal of angst within the liberal community across america that we're just giving this guy too much publicity. we're talking about him too much. folks, i offer to you tonight,

if you're a good lefty out there, we can't talk about this guy enough. he's the gift that keeps on giving. he is america's biggest heckler from the stands. which is perfect. and, of course, over the weekend, it was the love fest in iowa. the speech he gave on friday night. the media love fest is on. did you know that he didn't even use a teleprompter? did you know that he went back and forth across the stage for 20 minutes, without any notes to say what he was thinking? this is what is impressing the media. it's not solution-based. he's not that good. but he is a good strategist. you see, because he is going after the conviction crowd. that's who he has to win over to keep this cruz machine rolling along. here's ted cruz's base. first of all, let's start with the people that hate obama care. well, he's got them down pretty good. how about those 144 members in congress that voted to default. well, they're all with ted cruz

too. and then, of course, there's the basic tea party supporter out there. i think he's got rand paul beat. i think he, out of the box, if you had a choice, the tea partiers would take this guy. the conservative media, right wing talkers. they can't get enough of this guy. they want him because they love his conviction. they love the fact that he won't back down. that he can't stand obama. and, of course, obama haters a big part of this at the top. but then there is the religious right. you see, republicans love cruz so much, he was actually compared to jesus during a prayer in iowa on friday night. >> lord, we also thank you for senator ted cruz here tonight. it just seems like that we're lacking, especially on the conservative right, those leaders willing to take a stand and are willing to let the arrows come in the back of their head. and basically be crucified for their belief system.

>> arrows in the back of the head? cruise filed? who on the left is doing that? all we're doing is talking about is policy, how screwed up they are. how he cares about profit and not people. now, a short time later, cruz came out and said that the shutdown, which, of course, behind closed doors, he's taking credit for, you know, orchestrating. he says it elevated the national debate. i'll tell you what it did. it shook the hell out of a lot of people internationally about just who america is. and there is no doubt that the fringe celebrity of ted cruz, it's on a roll, it's on the rise. in iowa over the weekend, laying down the foundation for 2016, he did what all these guys have got to do. they have got to go hunting. the harvard snob joined steve king, congressman from iowa, for his annual pheasant hunt. on saturday the two got dressed up in their finest hunting gear and proceeded to hunt with a gaggle of reporters. of course, they were following every move. what is this?

i don't care if it's a side by side, or an over and under. you don't hold the gun over your shoulder, okay? you hold it down and break it down. that's just hunting etiquette for people around you so you don't shoot anybody. that's just kind of how it is. but look at this entourage. you've got walkers out there trying to get the birds up. is that a hunt? no, that's just cornering the birds, is what it is. it's called harvest time. it's not really hunting. not as i see it. and i've been doing it for 35 years. it looked more like a photo op than a pheasant hunt. then something very unusual happened. the subject of dick cheney's hunting accident came up. here's ted cruz, and congressman steve king. early morning conversation. over coffee. making excuses for dick cheney shooting his friend in the face. according to them, it happens.

>> yeah, look, it happens. >> it's just part of it, and risk is a factor. >> now, if cruz and king are really good friends, why in the world would they be talking about dick cheney's hunting accident? ted cruz can go to iowa, pose for the cameras all he wants, with a shotgun, hold it wrong, pretend he's a regular guy, normal guy. but you know what, don't let him fool you. he's not the normal dude that he wants you to believe he is. he doesn't care about average americans. and the fallacy in his whole push to win over the conviction crowd, anybody else who pays attention to this, knows that all along he's been going after president obama, and obama care. not once has he stepped up and given a solution to the 50 million americans who don't have health care. another thing that catches my attention is that over 10% of america's largest companies pay

zero percent tax rate. i would like to know where the big target shooter stands on that. does he think that's fair for average americans? that 10 percent of meramerica's largest companies pay zero percent? never answers those kinds of questions because the conservative media protects those folks. cruz cares about protecting his big money corporate interests, and he's always at work. he wants those folks to put him in office. and you know what, as of late, there is no better example than his most recent stunt. pay attention, folks. ted cruz is blocking president obama's nominee for chairman of the federal communications commission. now, the president has nominated ex tell com industry lobbyist tom wheeler. good guy. wants him to head up the fcc. now, of course, there are five seats on the federal communications commission, and three of them are vacant. and, of course, they're looking for some good democrats, because that's how it works when you have a democratic president.

wheeler is a democrat, and republicans are worried that he might, wait a minute, enforce provisions of the disclose act? well, we can't have that. the disclose act is a failed bill that would require independent groups to disclose names of contributors who give more than $10,000 to independent groups for use and political campaigns. if those provisions are enforced, the secrecy behind citizens united would be very much out in the open. the federal elections commission would have records of how much money super pacs and corporations spend on political campaigns. the big-money corporate interests, ooh, we don't want anything to do with this. hell no. democrats support the bill. they're in support of the bill. as a way to bring transparency to the political funding for republicans, this is all about keeping citizens united alive, and, of course, the money in the dark, in the closet, nobody knows where it's dom p coming

from and we'll trash anybody we want. they want to keep the unlimited funds going to attack obama care. and wants them, of course, hidden out of the public eye. cruz is blocking the fcc chairman. this is all about republicans controlling the airwaves in the message. and senator cruz wants tom wheeler to give guarantees that nothing is going to change. and he is a senator with a power that will block this guy, and, of course, we're going to go into 2014 without the fcc, no deals are going to get approved. ironically, it's going hurt a lot of right wing companies, but, of course, ted cruz doesn't care. he is trying to prove that he is the man of conviction. and part of being the man of conviction is to stopping someone who might stand in the way of free speech, and we certainly can't have that. now, he may be pheasant hunting down in iowa. and not doing it the correct way. but the fact of the matter is, you've got to give him credit.

he is always working around the edges to make sure that his pace is going to be protected. get your cell phones out, i want to know what you think. tonight's question. what does ted cruz care more about, money or people? text a for money. text b for people. to 67622. leave a comment on our blog at ed.msnbc.com. results coming up later on in the program. for more, let me bring in senator bernie sanders of vermont, who has been very critical of dart money advocating, of course, for workers all of the time. but also very concerned about communications in this country. senator, why is ted cruz blocking the nomination of tom wheeler? how do you see this as part of his plan, and just gumming this all up? what does it mean? >> ed, you know, what senator cruz is talking about is an issue of huge, huge consequence. at the end of the day, these guys have gotten citizens united, and that means that the koch brothers and sheldon

althsson and all of these guys can spend hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars on political campaigns without any disclosure. they want to go further. what they want to do is to make sure that individuals will be able to spend as much money as they want on campaigns, giving money to individuals, without any disclosure whatsoever. so ultimately, what they are about is creating a campaign finance system where billionaires can spend unlimited sums of money on campaigns and candidates electing the people they want. that is not, in my view, a democracy. that is called oligarchy where a nation is run by a handful of billionair billionaires. now what senator cruz is here talking about, he is really outraged by the fact that the

fcc is supporting a rule where it says that if you are putting ads on television in the 50 largest media markets in this country, that they're going to put that information on their website, so that the american people will know who is, in fact, funding these ads. in my view, we should see that not only in the 50 largest markets, but all over this country. not only on television, but on radio. but bottom line here, is what senator cruz and his friends want is a campaign system where a few billionaires can spend unlimited sums of money without any disclosure at all. that is what they want. and we have got not only to defeat that. we need the alternative, which is overturning citizens united, and which is moving forward toward public funding of elections. >> senator, there is a domino effect to all of this. and i think the protection of the big three, medicare,

medicaid and social security, plays right into this. cruz wants to give these guys a super highway, a pathway to vilifying everything that we have when it comes to earned benefit programs. this, of course, is going to enam enamor him even further with the conviction crowd. and i'll tell you, it really is a brilliant strategy, because nobody else -- who would think the chairman of the fcc would play right into somebody's political campaign? you but it's very clear what cruz is doing. are you concerned on the budget committee this is what you're going to be running into? >> look, absolutely. these very same people who are making huge contributions. and we're talking about hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. these are exactly the same people that are leading the effort to cut social security, cut medicare, cut medicaid, to give huge tax breaks to the wealthiest people in this country. all of that stuff is related. that is the right wing extremist agenda. and campaign financing, the ability of billionaires to buy

elections, is at the very top of their list. in terms of what they want to accomplish. >> yeah. senator, on the other hand, with cruz gaining in notoriety, popularity and with the fringe right, does it make the democrats' job a little bit easier making the case to america about what are our priorities? >> well, the answer is yes and no, ed. in one sense, obviously, he is such an extremist that once you talk about his agenda, it becomes easy to defeat him. but on the other, what he and others have managed to do is move the democratic party further to the right. you and i have talked about this a million times. you have a number democrats now talking about let's cut social security. the president of the united states is now talking about that. so it's a mixed bag. yes, he can be defeated. but on the other, he is helping to move the country to the right. we need a strong, progressive agenda, which talks about the america that we want, which is a very different one than senator cruz is talking about. >> senator bernie sanders, good

to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." appreciate your time so much. thank you, sir. >> thank you. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts with us on twitter. and give us a comment on twitter about what is the republican solution for health care? has -- does anybody know it? i mean, do you know what they're going to do with the uninsured in america? where is their plan? they don't have one. all they have is negativity towards obama care and pinning all their hopes on this website that has some challenges. we want to know what you think. coming up, bill clinton hits the campaign trail in virginia and hits republicans for putting ideology ahead of governing. and karl rove leads the glitch mob. going after hhs secretary kathleen sebelius. stay with us. we're right back. (vo) you are a business pro.

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>> the number two trender. clinton's callout. >> when president george w. bush, a republican, put that medicare part d drug program in, they had terrible problems with the computers. >> must be an on button somewhere. >> instead of bashing and screaming about how incompetent they were. >> let's not lose our cool. >> tried to help people understand the law and make it work. >> the former president blasts republican i had log. >> putting people first, as opposed to some abstract philosophy. >> and today's top trender. glitch mob. >> millions of americans are visiting healthcare.gov. unfortunately, the site was only designed to handle six users at a time. >> it's very frustrating. it is certainly not what we wanted to be. >> when you become a parody on

"saturday night live," it's awful hard to recover. >> i.t., can we get someone from i.t. in here? >> righty's target kathleen sebelius for healthcare.gov's poor health. >> the website was supposed to be the easy part. she has lost considerable credibility. >> absolutely, she should resign. >> this is a woman that has to be fired. >> you're fired. >> and at the end of the day, somebody has to be held responsible. and the secretary, who is in charge of this implementation, is that person. ♪ ♪ how we gonna fix it >> joining me tonight is congressman javier bess sarra of california. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. i guess the witch hunt continues this week against the secretary. but, of course, you said last week that someone should be held accountable for these website issues. should it be kathleen sebelius? >>el with, ed, i think we have a long ways to go before we can say it goes to the top. we certainly want to get the website fixed, but we shouldn't fix ate on the website and

that's unfortunately what i think my republican colleagues have begun to do is fix ate on the website. we have to work together to make it work well. we want americans to get covered. the most important thing about the affordable care act isn't a website. it's that millions of americans will finally have an opportunity to get quality health care. and that's what we should really focus on. so absolutely, we should hold people accountable. but right now we're trying to determine who should be accountable. any time you take taxpayer money and taxpayers have paid for this, you should be held accountable. so those private contractors who took taxpayer money to do the work, those health personnel who are working on this for the different government agencies, we have to figure out who should be held accountable. and by the way, congress, supposed to do its job of oversight, should be held accountable, as well. >> she is going to be testifying before the house energy and commerce committee this week. is this anything more than a republican witch hunt, comparing, as president -- former president clinton was talking about down in newport news yesterday, about the parallels between medicare part

d in the bush administration, their issues and, of course, the issues with the website right now and its lack of functionality in many parts. >> well, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that when you've got someone that has put up more than 40 votes, trying to eliminate a program, that all of a sudden they're not going to come see jesus and say they want to make it work well. at the same time, many of these republicans who are talking about their concerns about the website, we're not raising any concerns back in 2006 when the bush administration tried to launch that medicare part d program. they never once call for secretary lovett to resign when he was the secretary of hhs under george bush. they never asked anyone to resign. and so it does begin to smell a l bit. let's do this, ed. let's just focus on making this work. >> well, can you make it work? i mean, are you confident by the end of november, as predicted, that all of these problems are going to be worked out? >> i know the president has said that. by the end of november they'll

have these problems worked out. i trust the president. would not say that unless he felt very confident they would. they have to. we didn't do this major reform, pass this historic health security law so it wouldn't work. there is a guy in los angeles who has been quoted up and down the press, 34 years of age, andrew striker. he saved $6,000. he waited three hours to get on the website and finally be able to apply. but once he did apply, he saved $6,000. you don't want to wait three hours, but you do want to save $6,000. >> so let's say the website is all fixed the end of november. and we go into the first part of the year. would you still go along with the possibility of any kind of delay? i know there's some -- senator manchin from west virginia over in the senate side is saying he wants to delay it a year. your thoughts on any delay -- any part of the program. >> i don't want to delay andrew striker getting his health insurance policy that let's him save $6,000. i don't want to delay for any of

the constituents i have in my district and in my district i have more uninsured americans than any other congressional district, except one. and so i don't want to delay any of this, because we need to move it forward. what we want to do is make sure everything is working right. so people can quickly find out what they can qualify for, and start taking advantage of having the same kind of health care that you and i have. >> congressman, what about the money to get this right? you know, tom harkin told me last week that the proper resources were not there from appropriations from the get-go on this. that this wasn't resourced properly. so how is it going to get resourced properly between now and fix-it time? >> well, and ed, think of it this way. most americans wouldn't understand what's gone into the website. most of us didn't have to work all of the details out. it's pretty complicated. but they can understand this. when on october 1st, republicans shut down the government for 16 days, and on the same october 1st, the health -- the health

marketplace is launched, it sure makes it tough to move forward efficiently when the government is essentially shut down. 800,000 americans who go to work every day for the federal government couldn't can go to work. and so all of a sudden you're trying to launch your very sophisticated, very expansive marketplaces and websites at a time when the federal government is saying, whoa, you can't go to work today. so that makes it tough. we have to make sure the resources are there. republicans have continued to want to have this autopilot cutting across the board without knowing if it's a good program or bad program they're cutting. so it does make it very, very difficult. and that's why i keep saying, we should be working together to make this work right. >> so i guess -- >> fix it. >> i guess in street terms, democratic credibility on the health care law right now is in the hands of the computer geeks. >> well -- we're going to -- now, ed, we all have responsibility to make this thing work. and so i think we all have to work with those who are on the ground, day to day, making the website work. remember, there's more than a website. you could phone call, you could go in and talk to some of these

navigators who help you -- counselors help you go through the process. it's not just a website. but the website, obviously, is the easiest route, should be the easiest route, we have to make it work right. >> all right, congressman javier bess aira, appreciate your time. i think it's nothing but a witch hunt on the secretary. not one person is responsible for this. i appreciate it so much. >> it's halloween. >> yes, pretty close to it. still ahead, conservative utopia, new developments in the detroit bankruptcy case. plus, chris christie is shacking it up. >> that's not a witch! that's an insult! >> but next i'm taking your questions. "ask ed live" just ahead. stay with us. you're watching "the ed show" on msnbc. [ male announcer ] when it comes to doing what you love,

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"ask ed live" segment. first question comes from oris h who wants to know why is the gop so against teachers and education. well, two reasons. number one, obviously, they're against unions. but unions in education always fight for resources of the class realm. they always negotiate for more resources in the classroom. that, of course, is more money to school districts, da, da, da, da. that, of course, is what republicans and conservatives don't want to spend more money doing. they think that public education right now gets way too much money. so why is the gop so against teachers and education? the second thing is unions. it's the voting block. it's normally democratic. and they are after every organized group in the country when it comes to breaking down, you know, the voting block, and using all the social networking and everything else, and the demonstrations and the protesting and the voices that teachers can gather. and so that's why the republicans are against it. our next question is from donald

r. with everything happening in america today in washington, where would you start to put america back on the road to recovery? the treasury. and fair taxation. we just had a comment in the first block tonight that 10% of americans' largest companies have a zero tax rate. do you think that's fair? corporate profits through the roof? it's been a pretty good run in the obama years in the recovery and what not. and we have a tax system that is not fair. we've got companies parking money offshore, and not paying their fair share. that would be a great place to start. because sales solves a lot of problems in business. and if you've got more money in the treasury. and i've got a call on the ro radio show today. guy said ed, the thing that really concerns me about you democrats and you liberals, all you want to do is raise taxes and get more money out of the wealthy, all you're going to do is spend it. wait a minute. president obama has given the sequesterer numbers a chance. remember, july and august of 2011 when boehner came out and said i got 99% of what i wanted?

we have taken, the liberals, the numbers from the conservatives when it comes to sequestration. we have reduced federal spending. we have reduced the deficit in half. so this idea that if we get more money to the treasury from the wealthiest americans and all the democrats are going to do is go out and spend it, there is no record of that under the obama years. stick around. rapid response panel coming up. i'm jackie deangelis with your cnbc market wrap. a mixed day for stocks. the dow losing 1 one point. the s&p gaining two. industrial projection only edging up by .6% in august. and higher mortgage rates taking aa toll on the housing market. home sales plunging 5.6% in september. and tweeting a coffee to a friend is now possible. starbucks launching the program today, allowing instant gift cards to be sent via twitter. that's it from cnbc, first in business worldwide.

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you don't need to look further than our state capitols. >> hold it right there. he's just spitting this stuff out. 30 states are showing job growth under conservative republican governors? we're going to be back tomorrow night on that one. i don't know about that. jindal isn't the only republican governor attempting to distance himself from the mess created by his colleagues in washington. just look at this latest commercial released by the republicans governors association. >> the hardest part about my job is washington, d.c. what i know is, i'm not going to let washington slow us down. >> the fraegs frustration that i have with federal government, they put the wind in our face rather than the wind at our back. too much politics, too little real public service. >> it's not happening in our nation's capitol. america's comeback without a doubt is happening here in the states. >> the america's strength is coming from the bottom up not from the top down. and in that regard, the states are so important. republican governors are driving america's comeback. >> the republican governor's are

driving america's comeback. >> republican governors are going to drive america's comeback. >> and it's republican governors who are attacking voices in the workplace, just thought i would throw that in there. let's be clear. what these governors are pushing isn't different from the policies of the republicans in washington, d.c. they also want to attack public education, attack public workers, slash the social safety net, and cut can taxes for the wealthiest americans. the only thing new coming out of this campaign is if you want to see these conservative principles applied, not just talked about, look to republican governors, which is exactly what progressives should be doing as we head into the 2014 elections. "parade" magazine contributor connie schultz and ej dionne of "the washington post." great to have you with us. everybody loves to run against

washington, which apparently republican governors are trying to pull this off. cony, john kasich is trying to talk about how to bring back america when he was a loser. >> yes, he was. it was sb-5 and he went after public workers tried to strip them of their right to collectively bargain. overwhelmingly defeated at the polls. and let's talk about the auto rescue, definitely federal legislation. it put countless auto workers -- i don't know the numbers off the tip of my tongue. in lordstown went to three shifts to produce the chevy cru cruze, which i drive, and affected the entire supply chain to automakers. >> you know, clarence, the one thing is, there is no difference between what these radical governors ahave done at the legislative level at their state and what the tea party is trying to do in washington. are the people going to make the connection and buy it? >> well, it's not totally different. john kasich, significant to note, went past his republican

legislature, bypassed them, in order to participate in the medicaid expansion under obama care, even though he's opposed to obama care. he knows where his bread is buttered. that's free money to the state, you could say, from the feds. most of the republican governors have turned it down. but kasich recognizes that the state needs that money. the mental hospitals, poor people, as he said, of all races, creeds, et cetera, need it. he's not going to turn it down. unlike some of the governors who are, you know, much more of i a ideologues about this. kasich taking a different approach. >> interesting, going off workers, turns around and takes the medicatiid expansion of oba care. the rest of these guys, ej dionne, when you look at republican polling right now, you could call it the shutdown hangover, whatever. but it's pretty clear, this is a major reclamation project for

these guys, if they don't distance themselves from washington. >> well, that's exactly right. and i think there are two interesting things about that ad. one is, they're talking about america's comeback. what they're not saying is, president obama is driving the country into the ground. which is the message that comes out of washington. so they want to say all of this is because of republican governors. but there is an implicit message there that we're on a better track than we were before. the second is, this is clearly an effort to distance themselves, as much as possible from what the republicans have just done in congress. they have looked at the same numbers that we all have looked at. the shutdown was very unpopular. and it affected the republican brand all over the country. so this ad is offense, but really it's a defensive ad to try to get them as far away from here -- from the republican party here as possible. >> and i'm anxious to see how

many republican governors who are up for re-election are trying to get into the state capitol are going to bring ted cruz over for a backyard barbecue and say, hey, i think just like you do. we'll see. >> can i say something, ed? >> yes. >> i was at a -- bill clinton's event with terry mccaulive yesterday in dale city, virginia. and what was really strike something mccaulive has made ted cruz a central part of his speech. he was out there campaigning for ken cuccinelli. andterry mccaulive is saying why didn't he disassociate himself from him? why didn't he have him out here. virginia has a lot of government employees. so cruz is a real problem for cuccinelli in virginia. >> interesting. one week from tomorrow. late-breaking news today. a federal judge has ruled the abortion restrictions passed by the texas legislature in july are unconstitutional, and will not take effect as planned on tuesday.

the judge said the regulations violated the rights of abortion doctors to do what they think is best for their patients, and would reasonably restrict a woman's access to abortion clinics. the proposed restrictions were among the toughest in the nation, and gained national attention after wendy davis' high-profile filibuster. governor rick perry vows to fight the ruling. connie, what's your reaction to this? what is the -- the political -- how damaging is this to the conservative movement? >> well, it's particularly interesting, one of the p provision attention struck down because it would have prohibited doctors who do not have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital to perform abortions. texas isn't the only place where abortion clinics are having visiting doctors to perform these procedures. totally unnecessary restriction. i find it encouraging news, because we have a lot of the same stuff going on in ohio right now. which governor kasich, by the way, refused to veto. he could have vetoed. it was rolled into the budget bill here, as you know. and let's keep in mind what

governor perry said. weeks, perhaps months ago. he wanted to make abortion a thing of the past. a legal abortion, which is still the law of the land in this country. he wants to make it a thing of the past. and that's what's driving all of these efforts in texas. >> clarence page, what does this do for wendy davis' campaign. she wants to be governor. >> well, i think -- from what we have seen, like in the 2012 election, this kind of an issue now mobilizes women in particular, and not to mention, a lot of other folks who are very disturbed by the notion of the ability of women to have control over their own bodies, is really under serious threat right now. so i think it's -- it's going to probably help her fund-raising. at the same time, governor rick perry does everything he can to try to push back, busy van gel californias have a very important part of his constituency. >> no doubt. clarence page, connie schultz, ej dionne oh, thanks for being on "the ed show" tonight.

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welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. deciding to send detroit through bankruptcy took a sharp turn

today. workers want accountability from snyder and they're putting him on the stand. rick snyder became the first to testify under oath on his rush to gut detroit. snyder announced the push for the largest public sector bankruptcy on record back in july. >> this is a last resort. it's something i would have preferred to avoid. this is the way to solve the problem. this is about 60 years of decline. not being realistic and not solving the problem of detroit's major issues. so in bankruptcy, that's the focus. >> snyder's last resort excuse is paper thin as i see it. it robbings the city of resources for years. meanwhile conservatives waited by the sideline salivating over it. and now the practice is getting the grilling it deserves.

i'm joined tonight by a man who was at the courthouse today supporting the people of detroit. lee gatis. good to have you with us tonight. everybody gets their day in court. will there be justice served for these retirees? because they're along with neighborhoods being shortchanged if the governor gets his way. where are we at this hour? >> well, we're looking at detroit against the backdrop of a mayor we just sent to jail but then we have a governor doing the exact same thing. we've got rick snyder who hired kevin orr while he still worked at the bankruptcy law firm for wall street. then he's surprised that kevin orr put detroit into bankruptcy. and hired his law firm after he became emergency manager of detroit to then handle that same bankruptcy. if that isn't nepotism and

cronism, i don't know what is. then to add insult to injury, kevin orr wants to put barkleys ahead of who worked their entire lives for that pension money and were expecting it at the end of their retirement. hopefully the city of detroit will have its day in court, the citizens will have their dare in court and hear this has been his plan all along. he never planned on being fair to the citizens. >> governor snyder tried his hardest to stay out of the court invoking executive privilege, but it wasn't enough. how important is the people of detroit hear the governor testify? >> i think it's very important we get the governor on record and that the lawyers get to ask him some very hard questions that he can't weasel out of the way he does with local reporters. >> is he going to be asked about what you just said?

what you just talked about with orr and bankruptcy and the law firm? >> well, it has to lead to that. again, we just put a man in jail for doing the exact same thing that snyder is now doing. we put a man in jail for cronism, for no big contracts to his friends. and this is the exact same thing that orr and snyder are doing with jones day and with the banks. they're putting their clients who are wall street bankers ahead of the citizens and residents of detroit. so we're asked to pay the bill for their corporate welfare that they're getting. >> so what would be a fair decision here? what would be the perfect decision on the part of detroit residents and retirees? >> a fair decision is detroit should not be in bankruptcy. we should restructure our debt. the bank should be asked to pay for the damage they've done to this city. that's what would be fair. >> lee gatis, great to have you with us tonight. we will follow the story. we've been following this since

summer. it's day four of the trial. hopefully it's going to be a productive outcome for those people working 30 years in detroit and now are wondering if they're going to get their pension or not and this guy says they have no responsibility. in fact, when kevin orr was asked about it on 60 minutes he said basically, you know, i'm sorry. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton begins right now. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, the gop's ted cruz problem. his camera-loving crusade against obama care drove the party to record lows. and it seems the texan is just getting warmed up. he spent the weekend pretending to be a populist in iowa. and what's better than having the right wing pr game of a little pheasant hunting trip with the far right tea party congma