his benefits under medicare and social security and then finally we need to have some more revenue, but it's going to be hard to find. >> well, there's a lot of money sitting offshore that's not taxed. that's for another discussion. i want you to come back. i enjoy visiting with you. we will do it again. mr. stockman, thank you very much. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. good evening, al. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, the truth about the gop effort to kill obama care. it's not really about the health care website. it's about the entire law. today republican leaders made that clear. >> you know, the problem with obama care isn't just the website. it's the whole law. >> and the bottom line is the problems with obama care run deeper than just the website. >> hear that? this isn't about the website

glitches. it's about scrapping the whole thing. never mind that 17 million children with pre-existing conditions are now covered. never mind that insurance premiums are 16% lower than expected. the gop wants all this to wither on the vine. and they're offering no alternatives of their own. and today democratic congressman bill pasquel called them out on it. >> including the one i'm the coo sponsor of. >> are you serious what you just said? are you really serious? after what we have gone through and what we have gone through in the last three and a half years. you can sit there and say that you had a legitimate alternative after these years?

we've gone through 44 votes, 48 votes now, of you trying to dismantle the legislation. you call that cooperation? i don't. >> wow. that's an amazing moment. this law is important. it's saving lives. and yet the spend from the right is literally laughable. want to know who rupert murdoch's wall street journal is pawning off as a health expert. here's a hint. ♪ ♪ come and knock on our door >> suzanne sommers. you know her. she was on the old tv show "three's company." from there she became known for her famous thigh master infomercials. and now she's a right wing authority on health care writing op-eds for the wall street

journal. see there? she's one of the, quote, experts. and her article claims the affordable care act is a socialist ponzi scheme. of course, that's not true. and in fact, there were so many things wrong in her article that the paper had to issue correction after correction after correction. but we're used to hearing bogus facts from the right wing. in fact, maybe ted cruz, speaker boehner, and suzanne somers should get together. i hear they're looking to remake "three's company." joining me now is congressman emanuel cleaver and msnbc contributor goldie taylor. congressman cleaver, this current crusade isn't about the glitches anymore, is it? it's about killing the whole law, isn't it? >> yeah. it's the highest level of

hypocrisy that i've seen since i've been here, almost ten years. to sit at a committee hearing and hear people talking about the glitches with the enrollment is just unbelievable, because they're not concerned about the glitches. they're not concerned about what can we do to make the enrollment better. they are just trying to criticize this and get more people turned off. but it is hypocrisy at the highest level. the worst part about it is they're not embarrassed. >> now -- and, you know, goldie, people are having trouble on the new exchanges. but by refusing to expand medicaid, some republican states are letting millions go without insurance. look at this in texas. the decision to reject medicaid expansion will leave more than 1 million uninsured. in florida it will leave 764,000

uninsured. in georgia it will mean that over 400,000 people won't have coverage. so while they're talking about glitches, they are literally blocking hundreds of thousands of people from even having the ability to come into the programs and insure themselves. and their families. >> you know, i'm with represe representative pascrell about this. places like in georgia g refeez to expand medicaid. they refused to make these exchanges. people have been able to get on and sign on in a matter of minutes. now that you have people in this large federal exchange that has not worked as well, they have faced glitches and some trouble getting through the web portal to get the insurance they richly deserve. at the end of the day, this is

about pip pock si. like you have senators like ted cruz, for instance, who has the maserati of health care plans. people like rand paul who has excellent health care coverage. and you've got millions of americans who want at least a quality, basic standard of care at a reasonable price. and the affordable care act offers this. we ought to be able to fix this web portal and get as many people enrolled as possible. but that is what republicans fear. they fear people are going to get enrolled and get the care they need and they're going to be, well, out on a limb come 2014. >> congressman, you know we're talking about hypocrisy. we saw hypocrisy again from the gop today. just listen to these republicans attack the law today. >> what's become abundantly clear, the flaw is not the website. the flaw is the law itself. >> we on this side of the aisle

want the highest quality of care for all americans. the aca violates every one of those principles. >> the problems don't stop at the technical failures of a website. it stems from the colossal failure to deliver what this law promised the american people. >> but those exact same republicans, congressman, those exact same republicans were singing a different tune for the medicare part "d" expansion under president george w. bush. watch. congressman brady said, quote -- same guy we just saw. he says in a major reform, there are bound to be glitches. congressman price says kinks in part "d" got worked out. and congressman sam johnson told administrators, quote, you guys have done a super job. very different when it was part "d" of medicaid under george bush and now what they're saying

under the administration under this bill that is providing health care for millions of people. >> well, reverend, you know, i'm a law and order man. and we have a law that people don't want to obey. and so consequently, we're going to have to order as many young people who want insurance to enroll. the thing they want more than anything else is for the young people who we are going to depend on enrolling in the program for it to work not enrolling. and we've got to push that. all of this stuff that they're doing and saying, some of it is silly. suzanne somers, three's company, yet she won't keep company with facts. but i think the things that we're seeing right now, they are absurd and they would be laughable if it wasn't for the fact that millions and millions of american who is need

insurance are being shaded and blocked from getting that insurance by recalcitrant governors. and it's a sin. >> it really is. and, you know, goldie, fox news is on overdrive on this. i mean, overdrive. they seem to think the problem is that americans have too much insurance, believe it or not. listen to this. >> we're talking about the health care needs of the people of the u.s., not the health insurance needs. it's a totally different thing. before they started this, we were all in trouble with insurance to begin with. there's too much health insurance. too many people have it. >> i mean, too much health insurance? there's too much? too many people have it? what world is he talking about? >> i'm just stunned. i am absolutely stunned, reverend sharpton. you know, maybe he doesn't stand guard at your local emergency room where my better half works.

uninsured people roll in night after night with no real means of paying for that care, but they're catastrophically ill and they need to service. guess who's paying for that? the rest of us are paying for that care today. with the affordable care act, this shifts the burden so that we have an expanded pool of risk so we can spread out some of these costs and make certain that we have a more healthy society and an economically viable society. all of this benefits all of us. and so it really bothers me to hear someone say that we had over-insured people in this country where there are children that couldn't get immunizizations to go to school. >> like congressman cleaver said, it's a sin. congressman emanuel cleaver and goldie taylor, i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you for being here this evening. >> thank you. what happens when a republican slams his own party for a war on the poor? it happened today and it will surprise you.

plus trayvon martin's mother was on capitol hill calling for a change in the stand your ground law. so why was senator cruz law talking about inflaming racial tensions? trayvon's mother joins me live on that and her fight. and one year after hurricane sandy slammed the northeast, you'll never guess where republicans who voted against emergency aid are. it's remarkable. they're about to be called out. stay with us. [ female announcer ] who are we? we are the thinkers. the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action. we've made our passions our life's work. we strive for the moments where we can say, "i did it!" ♪ we are entrepreneurs who started it all... with a signature.

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have you joined the "politicsnation" conversation on facebook yet? today everyone was talking about ted cruz who claimed that people who want to change stand your ground laws are exploiting and

inflaming racial tensions. mildred says anyone who believes there should be 100 more men in the senate like jesse helms is the one exploiting. betsy says cruz is a man without the capacity for empathy. coming up, trayvon martin's mother sabriybrina fulton joins to share her comments. but first we want to hear you share your thoughts. please head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and like us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. there's nothing like being your own boss! and my customers are really liking your flat rate shipping. fedex one rate. really makes my life easier. maybe a promotion is in order.

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a remarkable thing happened today. from someone you wouldn't expect. ohio governor and former fox news commentator john kasich. the guy who tried to crack down on unions. he signed a restrictive abortion law, proposed slashing taxes for the rich. and today he's saying this about his own party. quote, i'm concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor. that if you're poor, somehow you're shiftless and lazy. war on the poor? shiftless and lazy? wonder where he heard that. >> we don't want to turn this safety net into a hammock that lulls able-bodied people into complacency. >> self-reliance means if anyone will not work, neither should he eat. >> really poor children in

really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working, and have nobody around them who works. they don't have a i do this and you give me cash. unless it's illegal. >> there's 3 million jobs every month in this country that go unfilled. and the trouble is it's because they either can't find people to come to work sober, daily, drug-free and want to learn the necessary skills going forward to be able to do those jobs. >> this is your republican party where it's trendy to demonize the poor. and it comes two days away from 47 million americans getting cuts in their food stamps. that includes 900,000 military veterans. it's a party that just last month voted to slash $40 billion from food stamp funding. a party that literally shut the government down fighting the courageous fight to take health insurance away from americans in

need. so yes, governor kasich, there is a war on the poor. now it's time to join the fight against it. it's time for your colleagues to wake up. joining me now is congresswoman barbara lee, democrat from california. thank you for coming on the show. >> very happy to be with you, reverend al. >> governor kasich calling out republicans for demonizing the poor. are some republicans starting to wake up to reality? >> i think this is a very good sign, because i always say that republicans have low income people, people who are poor in their districts also. when you look at what is taking place and thank you for mentioning what's taking place on friday, reverend al. we have now a $5 billion automatic cut in the s.n.a.p. program which is going to take away approximately 20 meals, i think that's the estimate, for a family of four a month. and so we're trying to wake up the country and wake up the

republicans so that we can get legislation passed very quickly so that we can at least extend these automatic cuts that will take place on friday. >> and i might add that as you talk about waking up the public, let's not forget that governor kasich and others are up for re-election next year. so an awakened public may be something to consider when you hear what kasich is saying. let me ask you this. kasich talked about calling the poor lazy. just watch where republicans get this idea. >> look at poverty in this country. everybody out of work is eating. they've got big screen tv, probably have a car, probably have a cell phone. >> is america becoming a welfare state? the answer is yes. >> i got news for you. in other countries, they're not washing their clothes and sitting in air conditioning watching a big screen tv. they're dying. that is a poor. >> the thing we've got to deal

with more than anything else in the country is deal with the mind-set of entitlement. >> -- encouraging parasites to come out and take as much as they can with no remorse and this is how our country declines. this is how we become a weak nation. >> i mean, this ugly venomous portrayal of poor people, the most vulnerable in society, they set up this climate. it's despicable because to say you've got to be dying to be poor, that you have a sense of entitlement when you can barely get by on what food stamps pay. it is outrageous and it is telling boldface lies. that is not what most poor people are dealing with. and this whole picture of laid back watching big screen tvs, this kind of profiling and stereotyping is utterly despicable. >> yes, reverend al.

it's disgusting. it's a shame, a disgrace. it's un-american. those are the values that the majority of americans hold. let me just say, the majority of people who are on s.n.a.p. benefits, food stamps, are working. they're part of the working poor. they're low wage workers. when you look at income inequality in what is taking place, you're looking at people making $7 and $8 a an hour. what are we going to do? we need to have a living wage for people. we need to provide a pathway to a job, workforce training. i was on food stamps, reverend al. nobody wants to be on food stamps. everyone wants a job. everyone wants to live the american dream. oftentimes people need that bridge over troubled water. we're barely out of a terrible, terrible recession. and so for the right wing, the extreme radicals to really begin to demonize people who are just trying to take care of their families and move forward to live the american dream again, it's un-american, it's immoral,

disgrace. we should be outraged at some of these comments. >> no doubt about it. quickly, the center for american progress issued its annual report for poverty in america. you were there to talk about it. the report found there are over 46 million americans living below the federal poverty line. that's one in six americans, congresswoman lee. >> in the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world. 42% of single women head of households live below the poverty line. and let me tell you, we have a plan to cut poverty in half in ten years. we know how to do it. i have legislation that would require us to begin to move down that path. and so i hope that people watching your show tonight embrace our legislation to cut poverty in half. it can be done. we have now children under 5, for example, in the african-american community, 42% of children are living under the poverty line.

37% of latino children living below the poverty line. >> children. >> we have unbelievable numbers of children who are poor. what does that say about who we are as a country? we need to move forward. we need to have a strategy and plan. i'm very proud as a democrat and the chair of our task force on poverty and opportunity that we know how to get there. if only we had a bipartisan strategy with the republicans to do this. >> congresswoman barbara lee, thank you so much for your work and your time tonight. >> my pleasure. still ahead, ted cruz uses a stand your ground hearing as an excuse to score some cheap political points with trayvon martin's mother in attendance. >> we have seen efforts to undermine the verdict of the jury and more broadly to inflame racial tensions. >> we'll talk about it with

sybrina fulton live in an exclusive interview. plus the gop's chris christie problem. one year after sandy, he's not letting republicans get away with their refusal to help storm victims. but first, turned out dick cheney does believe in recycling. recycling his old talking points on iraq. that's next.

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dick cheney seems to be everywhere these days. he's selling a book, he's hyping his daughter's senate race, and of course he's trotting out his same old talking points about the invasion of iraq. >> my concern was then and it remains today that the biggest threat we face is the possibility of terrorist groups like al qaeda equipped with weapons of mass destruction with nukes, bugs, or gas.

that was the threat after 9/11. and when we took down saddam hussein, we eliminated iraq. >> that was last night. he's talking like he found weapons of mass destruction. like saddam actually had something to do with 9/11. it's exactly what he was saying ten years ago. in the days just before the invasion. >> we also have to address the question of where might these terrorists acquire weapons of mass destruction. and saddam hussein becomes a prime suspect in that regard. >> dick cheney has learned nothing despite all the lives lost and the money spent. today marks three days in a row that we've put him in our nice try, got you. but guess what, mr. cheney, three strikes and you're out because we got you, got you, got you. she's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with her all day to see how it goes.

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hurricane sandy devastated the east coast. these were the scenes of destruction. the storm killed an estimated 160 people in the u.s., damaged hundreds of thousands of homes, and cost billions of dollars. out of the storm came this iconic image. new jersey governor chris christie and president obama embracing. it was less than a week before the presidential election. a true symbol of bipartisanship. later christie slammed republicans in congress who dragged their feet on storm aid. >> there's only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims. the house majority and their speaker john boehner. last night politics was placed before to serve our citizens.

it was shameful to watch. shame on you. shame on congress. >> shame on you, congress. one year later, how's this for shame? senators mitch mcconnell and coburn opposed aid. where were they last night on the eve of the sandy anniversary? they were fund raising, raising money in the new york area. amazing. senator mcconnell was at a greenwich, connecticut, beach club that flooded during sandy. and senator coburn, he was the headliner for the young republicans gala last night. they refused to give money when the needed it most, but have no problem taking it on the eve of the anniversary. that takes some nerve. in the words of governor christie, shame on you. joining me now are mismi shell

cottle and and dana milbank. thank you for your time tonight. they were against aid. now on the eve of the anniversary, they're fund raising in the new york area. your reaction? >> well, it's not surprising. especially if you're in a tough race like mitch mcconnell is. you always go with your hand out to the new york area because that's where the money is. so, you know, at this point it's a by gones be bygones situation. >> you still have houses in new jersey and far areas of new york. it's not over. and what they did in many ways was something that people that have had the rest of their lives altered and the families who lost lives, dana, cannot just act like it's just something that can be forgotten that easy as they're saying give me a

check. >> no. it's a bit rich to be raising money on this anniversary. and it's worse than that about ignoring the anniversary or raising money on it. you have tom coburn out there complaining that the aid hasn't been distributed fast enough. well, that's the aid he opposed in the first place and that if people washington put in all these rules to avoid the fraud that occurred after katrina. so you have this situation of them slashing the tires on the car then complaining that the thing isn't driving faster. so opposing the aid in the first place, complaining the aid isn't getting out there, and then raising money in that same location on the anniversary of the storm. >> you know, congressman peter king was another that criticized his party's response to sandy. and here's what he said today about senator coburn. >> the ultimate responsibility here comes from the congress. when i see people like senator coburn criticizing the lack of progress when he did all he could to kill the money coming

to new york and new jersey, these guys have a hell of a nerve. don't come to new york and take the money from the people that you wanted to screw. >> now, that's interesting. and let's not forget, congressman king was also very critical of his own party about the government shutdown. how split is the party, michelle? >> well, the republican party continues to have this civil war and identity crisis. and it's not sure what it wants to do. and i think with most of congress' approval rating in the tank, what almost everybody in the party seems to agree is that come 2016, their best hope is going to come from the governors. i mean, at this point, no one thinks that congress can, you know, legislate its way out of a paper bag. and it's going to be really hard for these guys who want to be contenders in 2016 to get the backing even from their own party. >> you know, dana, in january think progress put together a

list of all senate republicans who had voted against sandy aid but had requested disaster aid for their own states. but guess what? it included senators coburn and mcconnell. another sandy hypocrite was mississippi governor -- i mean mississippi congressman steven palazzo. he was working for his hometown housing authority and he asked the government to send us money so we can put families back together. the newspaper called his vote against sandy aid cold-blooded and hardhearted. he finally reversed his position after touring areas hit by the storm. now, i know we see a lot of hypocrisy from politicians, but wasn't this all just a little beyond the pail, dana? >> and utterly predictable. the same thing happens each

time. we saw this during the bp oil spill down in the gulf. these same guys complaining about fema and all this money suddenly were saying why isn't the government sending us more money? the irony here of course in places like new jersey and new york put a lot more in taxes than they take out from the government. and a lot of these red state republicans wind up getting much more of a net benefit. so they're opposing the very aid that is much more likely to go to their own states. >> you know, michelle, i don't agree with governor christie on much. but we have to admit he did work with the president and he's campaigning on that. look at this ad. >> i stand up strongly for principles and i speak bluntly and directly. and i say what i believe. but i also know that my job is to get things done for the people of the state. everything we've done has been a bipartisan accomplishment. see, i think as long as you stick to your principles, compromise isn't a dirty word.

>> you know, and that attitude seems to be paying off. right now 65% of new jersey likely voters view christie favorably. and at the same time, congress only has a 5% approval rating. you know, that's a huge difference. what does that say to you, michelle? >> well, you can look at it on the very narrow scale. which is christie is well aware that part of his appeal is distancing himself from this extremely unpopular congress. you know z, he points out he stands up for what he believes and he ask a pragmatic leader. but more broadly, here again is why we look to the governors for kind of the 2016 contenders for just kind of governors have to get things done for their states. in a way that congress is more likely to try and pass the buck or grand stand or gridlock. christie is benefitting from his individual reputation and just

kind of what governors have to do. >> you know, one thing interesting quickly dana, that is interesting to me is the republicans that voted against sandy aid, they are not screaming about the glitches that have not come -- or that has caused some of the things in sandy aid reaching people. like they're screaming about the website on health care. maybe it's because the first glitch was them. thank you dana, thank you michelle. thank you both for your time. >> thanks. still ahead, my meetings with the head of barney's department store over accusations of racial profiling. will america's retailers step up and put an end to shop and frisk? but first, senator ted cruz claims that stand your ground laws actually help african-americans. i'll talk about it in an exclusive interview with trayvon martin's mother sybrina fulton. stay with us.

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trayvon was only simply going to the store to get snacks. nothing more, nothing less. the person that shot and killed my son is walking the streets today. and this law does not work.

>> sabriybrina fulton testifyin washington today about stand your ground laws and the role of them in the death of her son trayvon martin. it was a serious hearing. but senator cruz seemed to think it was a chance to just score some cheap political points. >> we know that some in our political process have a desire to exploit that tragic, violent incident. we have seen efforts to undermine the verdict of the jury and more broadly to inflame racial tensions. >> the only thing inflaming racial tensions was the not just law. cruz went on to say the stand your ground law actually helps african-americans. >> in florida the data shows that african-american defendants have availed themselves of the

stand your ground defense more frequently than have anglo defendants. >> stand your ground is good law for minorities? he's wrong. the numbers tell the story. under stand your ground, if the victim is black or hispanic, the killer walks free 78% of the time. but if the victim is white, the killer walks free 56% of the time. a 22 point difference. no matter what self-appointed expert ted cruz says, those are the facts that really matter. joining me now is trayvon martin's mother sybrina fulton and her lawyer daryl parks. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you. >> you know, i know it's been an emotional day for you, sybrina, but what's your response to these comments of stand your ground that senator ted cruz

made during the hearing today? >> i think there's some disconnect there. i think he certainly is not aware of the real law and how it affects us as a community. i have a real problem when teenagers are afraid to walk to the store for a drink and candy. there are issues there. and you want everybody to feel comfortable and you want everybody to feel safe in their neighborhood. and just merely walking down the street and, you know, you're not armed. trayvon was not armed. it just seems like something needs to be fixed. >> what misperceptions did you hear about the law today? you talk about the disconnect. what did you hear today that made you believe people in the senate just really don't understand the impact of this law? >> well, one of the things that was said that was stand your

ground was not used in this case. i heard stand your ground for over a year. it wasn't until the defense had had to file a motion that i stopped hearing stand your ground, which was a year later. which was april of 2013. from february 26, 2012, i had been hearing about stand your ground from the police department, from the attorneys, from the news. everybody said stand your ground. and it wasn't something that we made up. it was something that they were going to use. so it certainly played a part. in addition to that, also the jury was given instructions that had information on there about stand your ground. so it's not that we're making -- you know, making anything up. it's just that it was being used. >> stand your ground, attorney parks, was why they didn't -- they let zimmerman go at the precinct and not charge him. part of it was stand your ground. >> for certain. and rev, i think you have to

focus on the fact that the police department, they hesitated in arresting george zimmerman because they thought it existed. one of the problems we see here is the fact a true equal production problem and due process problem under the 5th and 14th amendment that makes an ambiguous law is the reason the law has to be changed. >> now, sybrina, you have been fighting diligently. you and your whole family have been all over the country and in your home state of florida fighting this. and i want people to know that there has been progress. all of the fighting has not gone in vain. in the state of florida, they've already approved changes in the existing law. neighborhood watch people are not allowed to pursue or confront suspects. aggressors can't claim stand your ground in their defense. and now we're learning the state is also going to hold a hearing to repeal stand your ground next week. so there's been some progress. are you hopeful about the

direction that lawmakers are taking there? >> yes. i think any step they're taking, even today just coming to washington, d.c. just for them to listen to what i have to say was important. because i think it's a step towards the right direction. and i know it's not going to be done overnight. i know it's going to take time in order for us to get these changes made. but it's worth it. if we lose one life unnecessarily, i think it's worth us just fighting and just working hard just to try and make some difference. >> sybrina fulton and daryl parks, thank you both for your time tonight and thank you for the work you're doing in honor of your son's memory trayvon martin. we'll stay on this story. >> thank you. ahead, accusations of racial profiling at barney's department store. why was this teenager stopped by undercover police and detained for buying a belt?

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we're back with the shop and frisk problem in america. new york barneys department store has been under fire after two accusations of racial profiling in just the last week. 19-year-old college student traon christian was stopped by

two undercover police detectives less than a block from the store after buying a belt. the police claimed his i.d. was false and reportedly asked him how a young black man could afford such an expensive belt. a day after the incident became public, a 21-year-old nursing student named kayla phillips came forward saying she, too, was stopped by police after buying a barneys handbag. both were released hours after the police found no wrong doing. similar complaints have been made against macy's. and today the new york attorney general launched an investigation. this morning the ceo of barneys new york came up to the headquarters of my national action network to talk about the problems with community and civil rights leaders. the barneys ceo promises to meet with other heads of department stores and civil rights leaders to discuss the shop and frisk problem. we'll be watching.

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this is a big day here at msnbc. and it's a big day for our entire msnbc family out there. for the first time in our 17-year history, we have our own digital home. moments ago msnbc.com launched. it's live as we speak. you can go to it right now. just type in msnbc.com and get involved in the conversation. all your favorite shows and personalities are all there. including, of course, "politicsnation." i'm happy to welcome richard wolffe, executive editor of msnbc.com. he's probably short on sleep

tonight. first of all, congratulations. >> thank you, rev. i appreciate pit. >> i want to start on the home page. walk us through. >> what we wanted to do here is bring the spirit of what you and others do in the studio to life here on this page. these are e the stories that matter. the videos that matter about the things that matter to people's lives. and so we got ten big stories up here. that's what's there on the right. we've got the big headlines. and as you scroll down, you'll see rachel and the things that really fire up our audience. we want them to share things from here, to save them from later. and to go talk about them to come together. >> wow. that's great. you know, all shows have their own page. ours is politicsnation.msnbc.com. what will you have on our page? >> you can see right here, rev, all the great videos from your show, from last night and later on from tonight as well. and when you go down underneath here, you'll see the stories that really speak to the

audience here about -- could be about equality, could be about the economy. and there are great things here like the news letter, your book as well. and one of my favorite things, these groups where people can come together and talk about the stuff they've seen on tv. >> and a big part of this is team rev. >> team rev. i'm part of team rev. i'm sure you are too. i hope everyone watching tonight is part of team rev. this is where people can come together and talk about what they're seeing on the show, talk about a story. this is where to comment. you can see other people that are members of team rev, stories that everyone is discussing, pieces of video. again, you can share them from here, save them from here. and really connect with people who like you are big fans of "politicsnation." >> what are you most excited about? >> you know, i love the fact that all these big stories and videos are there. but the coolest thing here is that people can connect with each other. you've been doing this for your life. bringing people together in all

sorts of groups of the issues that really changed their lives. now people can do it online. team rev or any other groups, they can create their own group. we're giving the tools to people to organize themselves. for me i think that's the best thing we're putting together. >> well, i'm excited about it. if you have a dream, you join me team. team rev. richard, we have a lot of the msnbc.com team here tonight. how much coffee have you all consumed? >> you know, rev, this is a just a fraction of the team. they've done an incredible job over the last year. >> morgan whittaker who's done a great job for us on "politicsnation" is there. if you've got morgan on the team, this is an "a" team. >> she's a star. people will see her work every day. >> this is great. we're excited about it, and i know this is going to be fantastic. msnbc.com. richard and team, thanks for being here. and again, congratulations. now everyone go through right

now. msnbc.com. you might even hear from me. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. is ted cruz a republican freddy krueger? let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews back in washington. let me start tonight with this grotesquery that now presents itself as the righteous right side of the party. the freddy krueger that threatens with credit defaults. we now have work this week on halloween on what the voter's reaction is to this specter. two-thirds of the voters of virginia which is voting next week say they hold a stark, negative view of the republican party nationally. worse yet, the same th