day and 578 armistice day, between wishing the best for everyone who has fought and risked their lives for this country and wishing for the safe return home of those still fighting. happy >> it didn't take long for republicans to come out swinging against chris christie. >> i don't get into these labels. that's the washington d.c. game. >> fresh off of his reelection. >> chris christie doing a victory lap. >> i'm focused on being the gompbor of new jersey. >> i'm the governor of new jersey. that's my job. >> i'm doing my job in the state of new jersey. >> he was a successful governor in new jersey. >> when you stand in the middle of the road you're going to get hit. >> is a conservative in new jersey a conservative in the

rest of the country? >> sarah palin is an entertainer, not a politician. >> the biggest enemy is his own party. >> what you need to do is show up. >> you need conservatives and moderates. >> the political buzz is already focusing on 2016. >> that's the washington d.c. game. >> i don't think we learned much from the interviews themselves. >> christie is going to have a difficult time. >> did you see his convention speech? it was really bad. i'm now a single issue voter so christie is off my list. >> we have seen republicans go after ted cruz and now we're watching republicans go after chris christie. he is totally like absolutely not going to run for president in 2016.

>> how interested are you in running for president in 2016? >> well, chris, what i'm interested in doing is being the governor of new jersey? >> yeah, that's a governor's answer. and chris christie so wants to convince you that he's not running for president in 2016 he went on all four national sunday shows to tell a national audience everywhere he would find a national audience how he definitely is not going to run for president. and the job of being governor of new jersey is so important that chris christie told all the republicans in that national audience how he is a lot like ronald reagan. >> here is what people in washington d.c. don't understand, if you want to attract a majority of the hispanic vote, if you want to nearly triple your african-american vote, you need to show up. you need to go into those

neighborhoods. that's the way the republican party will make itself more relevant to a much broader group of folks. that's exactly what ronald reagan would have done. >> the biggest thing that the tea party wing seem to have in common at this point is exactly how they're both just like ronald reagan. >> my view on compromise is actually exactly the same as what ronald reagan's was. then you come back for more. >> i don't think that ronald reagan could get in the tea party today. >> i don't think that's right at all. if you look at what reagan did, reagan led a grass roots revolution. >> reagan could not get in the tea party today. another representative of the tea party wing does not agree with jay leno because nobody is as reagan as reagan was. >> i would never put my faith

and hope in any one individual politician. not any of them. there is no ronald reagan on the scene today. if he were on the scene, that's who i would put my faith in. new jersey, a blue state, has a republican governor, right on. beats the alternative. >> while that representative says chris christie beats the alternative, another representative is not so sure. >> is chris christie a true conservative governor? >> he was a successful governor in new jersey. does that transcend to the country? we will see in later years and months to come. >> is that code for he's a moderate? >> it's code for the truth is listen, we're all different states. is a conservative in nj nblg a conservative in the rest of the country? >> sounds like you're skeptical that it may not be. >> we will have that discussion at the appropriate time. >> a former republican now

running for the u.s. senate as a democrat. politics editor for a business insider. john, what has made you leave the republican party? >> well, lawrence, my place in the republican party began to disappear when the moderates began to disappear. i found that i have really had no place in the kau kaus. the coming of a stronger support of libertarians and tea party members. moderates for forced out. the party of which i was once a member no longer exists today in montana. they have become independent or become democrats. i chose to become a democrat. >> this movement that we have

seen to the right was eventually going to leave a space and this is the space that john is talking about now. >> that's right. and it's in a lot of ways it's ways that chris christie was talking about as well. people like rick perry, people like rand paul who were trying to essentially tar him with that brush of calling him a moderate which is very much a dirty word. i think one of his most significant appearances so far has been his speech at an urban charter school. this sort of compassion and conservative, this putting out plans about education. >> let's listen to what george had to say about chris chris tee.

your problem is the 18 states and the district of columbia that have voted democratic in six consecutive democratic elections. the democrats probably christie says i can flip some blue states. who else ask flip a state as i have just done in new jersey. >> and his weakness? >> his weakness is his success in doing this. >> there is the perversity of -- i think the strength chris is going to sell is not just that he is going to flip some blue

states. places that used to be competitive. can these other kand kates i'm running against do that? i any conservatives will object to things like him taking the medicaid expansion. public employee commissions. what conservative policy accomplishments does ted cruz have or rand pal have? getting half a loaf, he has gotten something done and his opponents have gotten none. >> john, i would like you to weigh in on this question. rsh i just don't see how ronald reagan would be accepted by

anybody in the tea party. because, for him, it was the only practical version of compromise that he could come up with in order to be fiscally responsible as a republican. and i don't see any tea party members accepting this. >> i agree with you. i don't think that he would pass the smell test and he did raise taxes when it was necessary. he was a moderate by today's standards. which, you know, those moderates have left the republican party. >> the -- the republican party then when reagan entered in in national prominence actually had liberals, there were tlings

called republican liberals. and yet it's so fascinating to see the sarah palins and still hark ping back to reagan as if they actually agree with him. >> as if they actually agree with him and as if a great segment of the population, particularly young people see reagan in the same way or lived when reagan was president. i don't think it has the same resonance that might have had ten or 15 years ago. the problem, of course, is that republicans have not had a president that they want to go back to and they feel like did a good job. they had first bush, they see him as too moderate and the second bush, also in some ways too moderate for them. it doesn't seem that the party is living up to what they actually did.

here is somebody who did actually reform immigration and gave a path way to citizenship and that is learnly not the direction the party wants to do. >> the republican hits on christee, they are glancing and sideways. they don't want to mention his name when they are doing it. what is your sense of how this is going to look when it becomes pretty open conflict of republican presidential candidates? >> i think over time it will get more specific over policy. i think the reaction to hurricane sandy and what people refer to as the hug. they didn't actually hug but they had their arms over shoulders. that will arise in the primaries. but when those attacks are coming, i think we need to keep

in mind this will be a replay of what happened four year ace go. and you had more conservative candidates. but they had to spend a lot of time attacking each other. there is room in this field for the establishment candidate. and then there will be a not christie just like we had a not mitt. they will spend some time attacking him and his record. they will be fighting with his record, very much echoing the noise. a lot of politicians making a ton of noise. he is going to say these guys are constantly fighting. i'm here to be a leader. and i think -- christie is right. his personality and stature will help him carry through.

>> you're running to hold on to max baucus's senate seat. but baucus has managed to hold that seat for decades, a democratic seat in conservative montana. does the tea party make it easier for the democrat to hold the seat or more difficult? easier in the sense that mor moderate republicans of montana are turned off by the tea party? >> well, i think that it is difficult for them to really find traction. max baucus is a conservative democrat and his style of politics has appealed to a lot of montanans. his popularity has been challenge, but i think that, you know, the tea party has not

been -- i don't think they have been a problem in his campaign or reelection efforts. they -- i think they are just too far to the right from where the mainstream is here in montana. >> john, josh, thank you all for joining me tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thanks. >> thanks. >> coming up, why elizabeth warren's name keeps coming up when democrats start talking about 2016. and in the re-write, the "new york times" readers finally learn what the times calls the dirty little secret about the affordable care act. just today, a secret that i told you about four years ago.

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her name is elizabeth warren. she delivered a high profile pop ewe list speech at the 2012 democratic convention. >> tell me a little bit about the last few times you have taken the biggest financial institution's on wall street all the way to a trial. anybody? i am really concerned that too big to fail has become too big for trial. that just seems wrong to me. >> i never thought i would run for the senate and i sure never dreamed that i would be the warm up act for president bill clinton. he's an amazing man who had the good sense to marry one of the coolest women on this planet.

>> according to our plan, our little plan here, we were actually going to show the democratic convention speech and the cute little script thing as you have seen done here that would introduce the committee scene there, but, let's get to your very important article which has finally introduced an element of suspense for the democratic nomination. let's hear your case about the elizabeth warren threat. >> you already did part of it. but there is a structural case to make for it. since 2008, since the last time there was an open democratic primary, the party has become much more pop ewe list. the you look at numbers and the power that large corporations have. they have become vastly more pop ewe list.

we see periodic outbursts. that is not where the heart and soul of the party lies today. hillary clinton is just not there. she has had long standing relationships with sort of new democrat types that have come from wall street or long ago made their peace with wall street and believe it deserves a central roll in economic policymaking. she is constrained both for those reasons and because she is likely to raise tens of millions of dollars from wall street interests and large corporations there are limits to the degree that she can move left, which puts her out of step with where rank and file democrats are today. there is reason for someone to challenge hillary from the left and suddenly we have this vehicle in the human form of a very popular democratic senator. >> and when i go back to 2007, as soon as i saw that barack

obama was raising the same amount and in some cases more money than hillary clinton, i thought then hillary clinton is going to lose because her poling number was up in the 40s and he was about 20 points behind but her number looked to me like a ceiling. if she were to run, if she were to have fund raising as barack obama did, that would be a real race. >> i think so. barack obama had this grass roots army. freed him up in time which is important as a candidate and one could argue in policy boundaries. thinking that christie can bully his way around the country.

hillary has a great personality that people are attracted to. and how many democrats went along with the war. >> and barack obama's credibility on that combined with the candidacy is what separated him. i think if barack obama had been a pro war and pro wall street guy it would have been a different primary. that goes to whether this hangover goes to populism. in the tea party they have a lot of grass roots energy. it's within the gop. occupy and a lot of the pop ewe list economic uprising had energy and never found a foothold within the democratic

party thus far. >> there are plenty of issues we have not really heard elizabeth warren on that you could find space to the left of hillary clinton like the use of drone war far. do you see something in there that is as strong as that difference that we had in 2008 between barack obama and hillary clinton on the iraq war? >> i don't. there is clearly energy around this issue and you can imagine, you can remember when a republican president was presiding over those policies. obviously it's been repressed a bit. i think there is a lot of energy around it. i still think the economic issues will loom larger. i think they go. what's interesting about iraq in 2008 and i think this is where

there is a real analcy. it was partly about analogy. they tilt with the wind and do what seems politically convenient. if he had been there, he would have voted wfr it. i think there was a lot of bad memories that iraq dredged up for hillary. there is a lot of democrats who are just queasy. so it's kind of a cultural issue in addition to just the policy issue. >> quickly before we go, mike murphy in 2007 said he thought obama had a real chance. only one who could beat her. so the theme is developing.

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>> tonight a worldwide relief effort is underway in response to the most powerful typhoon to ever make landfall. the typhoon was 370 miles wide with wind gusts peaking at 235 miles an hour and a 20 foot storm surge. more than 9.5 million people have been affected by the storm with more than 600,000 displaced from their homes. 1,774 people are now confirmed dead. just the city of alone.

we got a firsthand look at the destruction on the ground. >> reporter: it is an achingly familiar sight. this looks a lot like the remnants of other super disasters. from what we have learned from our own super storm sandy is that the water knows no boundaries. >> every building is significantly damaged or destroyed. >> the city looks to be ground zero. >> i'm very happy because i'm alive. >> she and her family are huddled in a makeshift shelter. >> we survived the typhoon and

now we are -- questioning ourselves how to survive in terms of food and water. >> a nearby chapel serves as a make-shift morgue. a father tells me his 2-year-old son is inside. he explains how fast the water rose. he wonders how anyone survived. people in this once bustling city of 200,000 have seen many typhoons before, but nothing like this. they are without food, without drinkable water. they have no adequate shelter. our colleague is in another part of the decimated city. >> the local marketplace, one of the worst effected areas all of these shops and houses made of wood now a part of tangled timber. >> we are not able to save our father. it's very sad.

>> this typhoon was different because it moved so rapidly and because it was moving so fast and the winds were so ferocious, it piled up water in front of it. it's not one land mass but more than 7,000 islands. the water just stacked up. water rose, it knocked down everything in sight. >> there is no power, no fuel. roads and bridges are out. many coastal areas have not been searched. we hitched a ride with the u.s. marines on a c-130. the u.s. military is ferrying in philippine troops by the hundreds and often carrying storm victims out. >> there is no other way to describe the situation other

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we just made the most of what we had. as doctors, we didn't go to the families immediately. we stayed with the patients. parents who died were moved into a makeshift mork. morgue. >> it has to be tough to know you can't save everyone. >> yes, ma'am. >> when patients come in hungry, no water and hurting, what do you say to them? >> we just say we're sorry. >> this rain is the beginning of a low pressure system that is coming in five days after the typhoon. the concern is hurting an already vulnerable health care system. the water, in particular, that could usher in dysentery.

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thing you need to know about the individual mandate. the times did this nearly four years after i began my relentless and apparently failed crusade to lead america or at least a few reporters to a real understanding of just how weak the individual mandate is. it is reported as the most onerous bit of -- >> any little bit to avoid prison time. >> avoiding prison time is pretty easy. how onerous can be mandate be if there is no real penalty for violating the mandate? the "new york times" today finally told its readers something it could have told them four years ago. it is what the "new york times" told the dirty little secret of

the penalty. wow. a dirty little secret was written into the most continuer iffial law of the 21st century and the new york times is just getting around to exposing it now? that still leaves the "new york times" way ahet of almost all other news,s in the country but not ahead of viewers who are about to learn absolutely nothing when i quote the passage describing the dirty little secret of the penalty. the federal government cannot use its usual tuls like fines, leans, who do not pay it. the penalty is supposed to be reported and paid with the income tax returns of those who do not buy spurns. but the government has not said

how the government will collect from those who owe it but do not pay it. i have many times in the last four years on importantness in from morning to night which is to say from morning joe to the last word read passages of the law in which the irs is specifically instructed to not use criminal penalties or zifrl leans by process of elimination, that has been interpreted to mean that the irs can only with hold that amount on tax refunds that the irs owes to taxpayers who have violated the individual mandate. never has the heavy hand of communism had such a light touch. try not paying your medicare taxes. you will be subject to the full

enforcement power of the internal revenue service and you will pay those taxes or face real criminal penalties and civil liens. sthast how it works at the irs when they're serious about collecting the money. but i have never heard a tea party panderer complaint about medicare or complaint about medicare taxes or the collection of medicare taxes or the life crushing puer of the irs enforcement ability to squeeze medicare taxes out of each and every taxpayer. the individual mandate is the single least enforcement provision ever written in tax law and it is deliberately so. remember, that the one difference between candidate

obama and candidate clinton was that candidate obama was opposed to the individual mandate. >> in fact you're going to mandate the purchase of insurance exit's not affordable, then there's going to have to be some enforcement mechanism that the government uses and they may charge people who already don't have health care or have to take it out of their paychecks and that i don't think is helping those without health insurance. >> he was the most convincing opponent the mandate has had. including hillary clinton. candidate obama won the individual mandate argument on his way to winning the democratic nomination for president. >> you can mandate it, but there is still going to be people who can't afford it and if they cannot afford it, then the question is what are you going to do about it? are you going to fine them? are you going garnish their wages?

>> when president obama was reluctantly converted, he still had those questions. are you going fine them? are you going to garnish their wages? let's give them the lightest lease enforceable fine and let's absolutely never make it possible to garnish their wages as the irs can with any other form of tax collection. if other major news outlet's had been accurately reporting on the all stra lightweight nature from the start, would the tea party had such an easy time building that rumor? if it was reported from the start that the individual mandate has a much looser and unenforceable grip on us than medicare taxes already do, would

the tea party have even been born? i'm sure some kind of i hate obama factions would have been born. that is the thing the tea party rose up against and the american news media never reported to them sit a bit of a thing. it is defined as a monster from greek mythology that breathes fire something that exists only in the imagination. it is not possible in reality. the political media's four-year fall your has helped create an endless parade of fire breathing monsters in our politics. but still, better late than never.

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kelly, how did those people find out that this little meeting was happening inside the restaurant? >> as best as we can figure out now, we posted the meeting notice on facebook and asked people to message us by facebook or e-mail and it turns out that some people who were posing as prospective members joined up and then were notified of the meeting location and time and then tipped off the open carry group as to what was going to happen. >> what are the positions that your group is in favor of that the open carry gun people are so opposed to? >> well, apparently, everything that we stand for is what mainstream and normal america stands for. which is to tighten up our gun

laws because simple things like background checks and as you had said earlier, it is perfectly legal to walk around with loaded weapons. in the instance of texas, the only thing that is prohibited is open carry of handguns but pretty much anything else is fair game. >> and what was the sensation of having them out there? it's something that is perfectly legal in texas. it is peculiar to see people walking around with guns like that. >> absolutely. there is nothing about that kind of behavior that is considered normal or acceptable by any standard. this open carry group and others like it, their intent is purely to intimidate. they are clearly not going hunting. sit only there to intimidate our members in this case and mothers in other states just to be

bullies. >> telly, thank you very much for joining us with that report from texas. >> my pleasure. >> chris hayes is up next. time to attack. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. i think it's time for the president to stick it to his enemies. forget this losing inch by inch and playing defense and win this thing on offense. let me start by saying out loud who his enemies are. they are not those who push the racist argument that he's a kenyan, an east african who conned his way into the american presidency. there are arguments that say he should have been deported as a criminal.