mobile devices, as well. so check it out. thank you so much for watching. coming up next, my friend, ed schultz and "the ed show." . good evening, americans. and welcome to "the ed show." live from new york. let's get to work. ♪ >> according to the "wall street journal," fewer than 50,000 americans have successfully enrolled through the federally run website. >> 40,000 to 50,000 consumers have signed up on the federal website. >> fewer than 40,000 people who signed up -- >> there are no guarantees that when you set off on such a bold path, everything will work out exactly as planned. >> but to the prototype for obama care, the massachusetts health care plan created by mr. obama's former 2012 rival, mitt romney, in that first month, in that program, slow rollout, only roughly 100 people signed up. >> virtually every resident in

the commonwealth is insured today. >> health care reform in this state was a success. that doesn't mean it was perfect right away. >> officials warn, the numbers would be low. >> that doesn't include those who enrolled in state exchanges. >> the state exchanges, which are essentially set up for free by the federal government in the states that accepted them, are doing very well. >> it's cranking out people that are joining up every day. >> over the last three years, internal obstacles and bureaucratic molasses threatened the whole enterprise. >> when you go to the pulse center and find out how many residents in that state are being helped, you only shake your head as to why we aren't doing that in every state of the union. >> all of this is in place right now. it is working right now. >> if there is a way that you can insure every one of your people or get them affordable health coverage, obviously, that's morally the right thing to do.

democrats, you just cannot give up you! great to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching. everybody loves their dog. i'm no different. i want to introduce you to my best buddy. this is buck. he's 9 1/2 years old. i call him the buckster. and let me tell you something. there is no black lab in america that can hunt like that dog. he will hunt the same way every time. there could be one bird in the field, there could be 50,000. but let me tell you something. that loyal dog right there, that buckster, he gets after it. he knows how to get after it. and he's so great with the grandkids too. i don't know if you like black labs or not, i do. i think they're fantastic. but this guy has been something special to our family. the only time he gets mad is when somebody is trying to take something from him. you know, if he's got a bone if you even walk near him, he's -- [ growling sound ] and we have another black lab named ducky, and ducky comes over and tries to grab the trainer from buck and that's when he really gets mad. he's like a pitbull.

he just will not let it go. that's how we have to be. we have to be loyal to the cause, we have to hunt the same way every day, no matter how many birds or how much negati negativity is out there. we go after it the same way every time. that's how you win. maybe you're in the locker room tonight, which is okay with me. but i'll tell you what, there has been an onslaught of negativity on health care in this country which just baffles my mind. why is it that people in the media have a fascination with failure? they will take a number and they will make a negative story out of it. well, sometimes there's only one bird in the field. but if you harvest in it, you're going to eat good tonight. why is it that we have people in the media in this country that, as i said, are fixed on failure, or fixated with something negative that they just want to drive home. but do they understand the human element of this?

about how this is hurting people if obama care doesn't succeed? now i want to profoundly point out again, everybody who is in front of the cable cameras and everybody who is in front of the network cameras, they're doing pretty well. they're not on minimum wage. and they have all got health care. most of them have never had a health care struggle in their life. but yet they're almost like promotional items on negative numbers. we're america. we're americans. we have done a lot of great things generation after generation. we've called on people to sacrifice, and we have survived as a great nation. why is it that all of a sudden, we have this huge conflict in this pitbull mentality that we just won't give up? the mainstream media, i believe, wants obama care to fail. they look for every negative number they can find. they're afraid to do a positive story, because they're afraid that somebody might not watch.

the media is just cherry picking the bad facts that are out there, repeating them over and over again, and in many cases, they're making stuff up. well, here we go. the "wall street journal" now says well there's only fewer than 50,000 people who have signed up for obama care. through healthcare.gov. it must be a failure. sure enough, here's what cable news looked like earlier today. >> good morning, it's tuesday, november 12th, i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. well, the numbers are out and they don't look good for the white house. new reports this morning revealing that less than 50,000 people enrolled in obama care. >> new reports showing less than 50,000 people have signed up so far through the federal exchanges. >> this has a long way to go. "wall street journal" reports fewer than 50,000 americans successfully signed up. >> fewer than 50,000 people have enrolled through the federal health care website. >> fewer than 50,000 have

actually bought insurance. >> less than 50,000 people signed up for plans on healthcare.gov, in almost six weeks since the obama care marketplace opened. >> it's almost as if you can have one team produce for everybody. because they're all saying the same thing. the 50,000 number is only the federal exchange. it does not include the state exchanges. here's a fact that you won't find on the curvy couch on fox. the same "wall street journal" article points out that roughly 7,000 people have completed applications in all 50 states for obama care. these people have not officially signed up. they're just kind of shopping, you know? looking for the best deal. they don't have to do it right now. here's another obscure number for you. over 440,000 people have signed up for medicaid through obama care. these numbers would be even better if more states would have opted for the medicaid expansion. as of now, 25 states have

decided not, n-o-t, not to expand. why? hell, i don't know. they hate the president. it's socialism. it's whatever they want to make it. it's nothing but a snub to the president, as every economist out there says that expanding medicaid would save states a ton of money in the long run. for example, a study from the urban institute shows that state and local governments pay roughly $10.5 b, billion, in uncompensated care each year. now what is uncompensated care? gosh, ed, this is a term -- i don't follow the news very much. what's uncompensated care. that means people go to a hospital, they get care, they don't get any money, they get care anyway, and somebody else gets stuck with the beal. if more people had medicaid, the burden on the state governments would drastically drop. republican governors are refusing to help their own people.

they are all part of the mission to destroy obama care and protect the corporations. now, next we have another fact that i think that we should all keep in mind. if you look back at romney care's enrollment in massachusetts, hey, it was a pretty slow start. in the first month of open enrollment, only 123 people have signed up. that's .03 of the total number today. grasp that. a fraction of the people who have eventually signed up in massachusetts for romney care, this was the first month number. but you know nationally, can you do a comparison? you sure can. 50,000 ain't bad. in fact, 50,000 is a comparable step to what we have seen here. by the end of the first year, 36,000 people had enrolled at the end of first year. this is the benchmark we've got to have. now, if we're sitting here a year from now, before the midterms and there's only 50,000 people that have signed up for

obama care, i'm sold. it sucks. but just because obama care is off to a slow start does not mean that it's going to fail. but every anchoring cable, whoa, only 50,000 people have signed up, it must be terrible. off to a terrible run here. people still have four and a half months to sign up for obama care. nobody's pressuring you. it's an option. and it's a good option. it's the right thing to do. meanwhile, after voting to repeal obama care 43 times, john boehner is now planning a different vote. the house speaker is outraged that junk insurance policies are getting cancelled under obama care. he's really concerned about all of these people that are getting notices. so boehner is planning a vote to protect junk health insurance policies next week. he released a statement saying this. what americans want to hear is that the president is going to keep his promise.

that's why the house will vote next week to allow anyone with a health care plan they like to keep it. well, isn't that just fantastic? the corporations give you a lousy policy, the republicans are going to let you keep it. aren't they great people? if they throw a piece of junk in front of you, and you happen to like it, you can keep it. it's not good for you or your family or anybody around you or you, especially. but you can keep it. that's how much the republicans love the corporations. they're even going to hold another vote. they're fixated on this comment that president obama made last week when he apologized to those who were getting cancellation notices. not a very artful way to put the term, mr. president. you have been perfect on a lot of stuff. could have used some different verbiage. what president obama should have said is that you may be getting a cancellation, but you can get a hell of a lot better deal in the exchange. look, i'm not in charge of white house messaging or democratic messaging. i'm just a guy from the middle of the country who has opinions

and wants to say stuff nobody else is saying. oh, by the way, did you know kentucky has now got over 40,000 people enrolled in obama care? gosh. how could obama care have the state exchange in kentucky over 40,000 and nationally we've evenly got 50,000? the state exchanges is what this was all about the states that have gone into the state exchanges and set up their own exchanges are widely successful. but you see, the people that put this health care together, this plan together called obama care, which the republicans hate, they were actually statesmen. they were doing it for the good of the order, the good of the people. and they didn't think there was going to be this pushback the way they have seen when it comes to obstruction. just keep in mind, republican governors who have said no to the medicaid expansion are doing one thing. they're hurting families, and they're hurting the poor and it's morally wrong. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. are republicans only interested in protecting junk insurance?

text a for yes, text b for no to 67622. you can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring the results later on in the show. i was going to have a text question. do you think i should let buck hunt with dick cheney. but i thought we shouldn't do that one tonight. for more, let's bring in congressman elijah cummings of maryland. good to have you with us tonight. appreciate your time. >> good to be with you, ed. >> were you expecting this low enrollment early on, and are you alarmed as all the tv anchors are that only 50,000 people have signed up nationally for obama care? >> i expected a low enrollment, because i had studied the massachusetts plan just like you did, ed. and so, you know, i expected that. the other thing that i did not expect early on is that so many governors would have refused to expand medicaid. because that would have taken care of a lot of people. but unfortunately, they did not.

but i, like you, ed, believe that as time goes on, a lot of people will be sign uping up. the interest is phenomenal. and, again, we've had some problems with the website. but todd par, the technology superstar who is working on this, has made it clear that by december 1st, we should see vast improvements in the website. and so i'm looking forward to that. >> would you see these negative reports out there, and there's no comparison to what has happened with massachusetts, their first month of rolling it out, why do you think the public is slow? why only 50,000? is it because of the negativity in the media, the constant pounding, the 43 votes to repeal it, the mind-set that this is bad and all the negative -- actually, it's negative promotion. it's not negative reporting. i mean, they're promoting something to fail, as i see it.

that's the way i view it. your thoughts. >> well, i think that there are a number of factors here, ed. number one, is the constant drum beat of negativity. and then, of course, we have our republican friends who have spent a phenomenal amount of time voting against this over 40 times. not always giving the whole truth and nothing but the truth about it. and so i think people can get a little pessimistic. but on the other hand, ed, when i talk to folks in my district, they are patient. they remember back in 2005 when we had the rollout of the medicaid part d, the prescription program, remember all the difficulties that came up with that. but my seniors are delighted with that program now. they're doing fine. >> sure. >> and they barely remember it. so, you know, remember all the problems. and so i think we have to be patient. and one of the things that concerns me, ed, is that, you know, we're supposed to be in a can-do nation.

a nation that says we can accomplish things and get things done. but suddenly we have a number of people acting as if america is not the great nation it is. we will get this done. failure is not an option at all. because like you said, ed, there are so many people. and i want to thank you, ed, for putting out those stories and letting people know how important this is to so many americans who don't have insurance. and it seems to me, ed, that there is a deliberate effort on the part of our republican friends to deprive me as a people of the opportunity to be -- to purchase insurance and have just that well-being, that feeling of well-being, that if they get sick, that they have at least some remedies to get well. >> congressman elijah cummings, great to have you with us tonight. really appreciate your time. thanks so much for joining us on "the ed show." >> thank you. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of your screen, share your thoughts on twitter and facebook. and, of course, we always want to know what you think.

you know, i've often thought that if someone who was economically challenged in their life, had some tough luck in the job market, and didn't have insurance, if they were given the news, what would it sound like? what would it sound like to all of us who would be viewing that particular person giving the news who may have a health issue and no insurance? what would it sound like? sometimes i think we have a hard time in this business grasping who actually is watching and the people that we are affecting. when you turn to someone and you tell them that you're going to get insurance and you don't have to worry about going broke, all the positives that are out there, and then you think about politicians in washington who have voted over 40 times to take that away from americans, you have to question the moral compass of the country. coming up. we'll talk to a steel worker from ohio who lost his job. he claims governor john kasich

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>> joining me now, john nichols, washington correspondent of "the nation" magazine. john, profoundly, a lot of polling out there, i can't find one conservative issue that seems to be outdoing progressives' issues. this is a very progressive number, when you've got 76% of the american people think that those who are on the lower income scale should be making more, raise the minimum wage. what do we take from this? >> well, i think we take that this has really moved a lot. in fact, this is based off a new gallup poll, that 76% number, and that moved from 71% earlier this year. what's really significant in this, 76% of americans want to go to a $9 minimum wage. and 69% want to tether or connect that minimum wage increase to inflation, so that future increases will come automatically. so we've really moved on this issue. >> what does this tell the

democrats, liberals in 2014 run on economic issues, stand with workers? i mean, when you look at the largest voting block, which is that of independents, how in the world can you get a 76% of the american people want the minimum wage to be higher than it is right now, and not have independents? i mean, this is a knock it out of the park issue for the democrats. >> it absolutely is, ed. and here's the interesting thing. you win 91% of democrats. that's important for democrats, because it gets their base out. you win roughly 75, 76% of independents. that's important with them. but here's the wild thing. you win 58% of republicans in favor of that $9 minimum wage. >> so chris christie, okay, a lot made of his re-election last week. fact is, he lost on this issue in new jersey. people -- >> that's right. >> people are willing -- accept' candidate. but they're also willing to address economic issues that

american families are struggling. we just had a report last week come out from the social security administration that the median income in this country is now down to $27,000. people get it. >> no, they absolutely do, ed. and here's the important thing. in new jersey, they up the minimum wage by $1. and the percentage of people in favor of increasing the minimum wage and tying it to inflation so it will automatically go up was the same as the percentage that voted for christie. unfortunately, a lot of our media gets excited about the personality of chris christie, but misses the issue of this passionate support for increasing the minimum wage. and we ought to remember that across this country, a $9 minimum wage is not -- that's just a baseline increase. there are people fighting in other places for substantially more, in seattle for as much as $15 an hour. in congress, congressman miller and senator harkin have proposed a $10.10 hour minimum wage. the fact of the matter is that

new jersey increase up to, you know, a little over 8 bucks an hour, that's really just a start of where this thing could, and frankly, should go. >> where are conservatives polling well? >> well, that's a good question, ed. you know, the fact of the matter is that they seem to be looking for the picayune oh issues, the places where they can attack something like obama care, something that they see a problem with. but if you look at an issue where they're aggressively promoting an idea, they don't seem to be doing very well. >> at all. >> and if there is a core issue, if there is a core issue, it's these economic justice issues. and on these, again, we're seeing majorities of republicans saying it's time to get working on raising those wages for working americans. >> all right. john nichols, washington correspondent of "the nation." always good to have you with us tonight. thank you. coming up, new jersey governor chris christie is being touted as a big 2016 contender. but that's not what a new nbc news poll shows. plus, wisconsin governor

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thanks for watching tonight. the 2016 presidential election, it's more than 1,000 days away. but, of course, it's never too early for polls, is it, especially when you have names like this. the marquis names from both

parties are right there, front and center. since winning his re-election, new jersey governor chris christie is the new media darling. he's been hailed by many in the media as the gop's new hope. that's largely because christie managed to do something most republicans are desperate to accomplish. he's captured both the hispanic votes and the women's vote in his state. but those numbers would mean nothing if chris christie was up against hillary clinton today. according to the latest nbc news poll, clinton has a ten-point lead over christie in a hypothetical match-up, 44%-34%. clinton also leads christie among african-americans by 80 points. clinton leads christie among 18 to 29-year-olds in this country by 14 points. clinton leads christie among latinos by 11 points. keep in mind, those are the same voting blocks credited with getting barack obama elected twice. so where is chris christie's

advantage? he leads by four points among whites. three points among seniors. the big shocker here, 12 points among respondents who make $75,000 a year or more. not exactly solving the dire demographic challenges the republicans have right now. but certainly the most encouraging numbers any republican has put up. but up against hillary, it would be a big lift. joining me now, our rapid response panel, bob shrum. democratic strategist, professor at nyu, pulitzer prize winning national columnist, connie schultz. connie, lie i look at these numbers from hillary, it's amazing. she is polling fantastic in the south. she beats chris christie everywhere. is there too early a judgment being made here? could we be susceptible to hillary burnout? what do you think? >> is it too early? let's just look at what happened last week in the virginia governor's race. do you remember that? you and i talked about it last

week, and the poll numbers looked really great for now governor elect mcauliffe and he barely won. so, yeah, i think this is a little early. i think most americans have no idea who chris christie is. and i think his big blow hard image in new jersey is not going to play well, particularly here in the midwest. >> only 32% of republican respondents said they would vote for christie, while 31% said they would rather have another candidate. bob shrum, what's his heavy lift? >> inside the republican party. if you look within those numbers, he does pretty well and in fact quite well in the northeast and mid atlantic states. he does badly in the west, in the south, in states like iowa. and that's -- those are the states that are going to control the republican nomination. he is -- he's just not the right cup of tea for these folks. look, you have senator jim inhofe from oklahoma complaining he gave obama the election because he did his job son sandy

instead of playing politics at the time. this is a guy who as conservative as he is favors some little bit of gun control and also somebody who refused to appeal the marriage equality ruling. he was going to lose that appeal flat-out. so he didn't do it. so i think you're going to see huge resistance. he's the establishment favorite. but on the other side, you have the tea party fanatics, and i think they may control 2016 in the republican party. >> connie, give us a pulse. who plays better in ohio right now, which, of course, is always going to be a linchpin to the election? in ohio, hillary clinton, or oh chris christie? because you look at the women's vote that took place, unmarried women, single moms, in virginia, heavily it went to terry mcauliffe. now, in ohio, i think the states -- somewhat are pretty much the same on some issues. your thoughts on that. who would take ohio right now? >> well, the women's issues loom so -- i hate to call them

women's issues because men who love women should also care about these issues. >> sure. >> and they're looming so large here in ohio, with what's going on with our state legislature. so that issue is key for hillary clinton. i am one of those, though, as much as i love the thought of a hillary clinton candidacy, i don't want us acting like it's a given that she is going to be the nominee. because i think that really hurt her in 2008. and keep in mind, she did very well here in ohio in 2008. >> yes, she did. she did very well. where is that competition going to come from, bob shrum? >> i don't think there's going to be a kind of huge competition to her for the nomination. i think the situation is different than it was in 2008. first of all, i think democrats who really wanted change in 2008 and she ran as a candidate of experience, are going to look at 2016 and say we really want to win this election. the supreme court is at stake for a generation. the kind of numbers you're talking about today are going to be very powerful. secondly, i think the desire for a woman is very high. thirdly, by the time she was winning ohio in 2008, she was a

very effective candidate. she wasn't in the early part of the process. i think she will start where she left off in 2008. and if she doesn't run, you know, then i think you're going to see a kind of wide-open field. but the idea that, for example, l elizabeth warren who signed a letter asking her to run is going to run against her is hot air and her journalism. >> connie, does it -- if i could frame this question without getting in too much trouble, doesn't hillary almost have a caulki calling, a duty to do this? she is one of the most accomplished women in this country. i mean, former first lady, former senator, secretary of state. her name recognition through the roof. she -- and in this poll, nbc news, she is polling very well in the south of all places, which, of course, plays to the women's issues that i know you don't like to call them that. but what am i supposed to call them? >> no, no, i wasn't objecting.

because you care about them too. >> doesn't she have almost a calling to do this? >> i would like to avoid all messiahic references. you hear politicians all of the time say well, i had to run because so many people were asking me to run. which means his mother called and said honey, you should really do this. i think we should really avoid all talk that way. and it's a huge decision to make. you know the toll it takes to -- well, none of us knows as intimately as someone who has run for president. it is a big undertaking and i want her to be in because she is all in. not because she is dragged in. i think that makes a huge difference in what kind of candidate we get. >> and it is going to be the middle class vote again, the middle block income in america is the biggest voting block. bob shrum, how do the republicans win that? >> i don't see how they do in their present posture. right now they're out there fighting against the middle class as you pointed out earlier in this show, fighting against

raising the minimum wage. i agree entirely with connie. these women's issues are issues that matter to a lot of men. after all, we're married or have daughters. and we care about their future and their rights. so look across the broad swath of middle class issues. and you say, the republicans don't have much. even chris christie is more style than substance when you get to these bedrock economic issues in the middle class. >> what about rick perry, being a conservative in new jersey may not be a conservative for the rest of the country? connie, what about that? >> i know i hang on rick perry's every word. >> you have to, connie. otherwise -- you might miss something. >> i'm not going to take his authority on much of anything in this country. i don't think he knows what's going on in texas half the time. >> that's very true. but, of course, you have to give me credit. they've got a weak bench. i'm trying to do something. >> i know you are. but i want to say this, though. i am very excited to ever hear the name elizabeth warren and

hillary clinton in the same sentence. that means we're talking about women plural, possibly, running for president. and i'm 56 years old. i've waited a long time for this conversation. >> well, that's kind of the line of the questioning i was bringing forward. i mean, i think there are a lot of people in this country such as yourself that would like to see hillary do this. what about elizabeth warren? she is more liberal than hillary. is that debate needed? >> well, she is certainly resonating, i think -- what she is doing. she has been so consistent in her fight on behalf of working americans. and she is really taking on wall street, which also resonates. but i don't think she is going to run. i believe her when she says that she is not going to run. >> okay. bob shrum, connie schultz, great to have you with us. thanks so much. coming up, ohio governor, john kasich, promised job creation. but failed to stop an aluminum plant from closing. he could have done more. i'll speak to one of the workers who wants answers. that's next. stay with us. retirement plan. i started part-time, now i'm a manager. my employer matches my charitable giving. really.

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welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for the folk who is take a shower after work. more than a thousand workers in southeast ohio are out of a job and frustrated after the corporation aluminum plant was forced to shut down. ormit closed its plant last month after state utility regulators rejected portions of its proposed deal for reducing electricity costs. governor john kasich has framed himself as a moderate guy who changed the face of the republican party but he has done nothing to help them. >> i'm very angry at john kasich. >> the governor could have made

one phone call and we'd all still be working. >> i can't start over. why should i have to start over? >> it does not have to be this way. just a little help, we can get this place going again and everybody can go on with their lives. >> we've requested a sit-down interview with the governor, but have not accomplished that as of yet. kasich's spokesman says the plant received nearly $350 million in power discounts from american electric power customers. but it wasn't enough to, quote, overcome industry conditions. >> this economy has stalled and people don't know what the future's going to bring. and when people are uncertain about the future, they sit on their wallets. and that's why we're not seeing the kind of economic growth that we need to see that's so vital to creating jobs here in the state of ohio. >> kasich ran on a promise of growth, but ohio is 44th in the nation for job creation and income growth is nonexistent.

as a congressman, we need to point kasich voted to outsource jobs. as governor, kasich is responsible in the eyes of some for the closure and has done nothing to bring the jobs back to the state. this is another example of the gop using greed and politics to hurt hard working americans. today hundreds of members of the united steel workers union, former employees of ormit and their families asked to sign a petition calling for governor kasich to save these jobs. for more on this, let's turn to tom welch, one of the workers impacted by the plant closure. he joins us tonight. mr. welch, good to have you on the program. i want to ask you what could john kasich do? what do workers want governor kasich to do? >> all the governor had to do was make one phone call and tell them to ask aep to give us another break. we weren't asking for a break forever. we had the intention of building

our own power plant. but we needed a break until that happened. he didn't make the phone call. he didn't care enough. >> what kind of break? what did you want the governor to do? make some guarantees that these jobs weren't going to go away at all costs? >> we needed a payment program with aep that we could survive on. the aluminum has been down for quite some time, but it's starting to show some signs of recovery, scene we were hoping to get a power break so we could survive long enough for the aluminum industry to recover. we think it's going that way. >> you think it's going that way. now, it would seem to me that conservatives would be saying this is just market forces taking place. is that what you're hearing? >> it -- we keep hearing that there's a lot of reasons why the

aluminum industry hasn't recovered any faster, but there is some plants that are restarting. and we kind of hoped we would keep going so we'd be there when the price did get better. didn't work out that way. >> has governor kasich made any effort to inject his executive authority to make something happen for the workers? has he done anything? >> oh, yeah. he shot us down. he hasn't done anything positive. and the comment about the dead deer, that could have been a thousand dead steel workers on the side of the road and he wouldn't look at them either. he didn't care. he simply didn't care. he took care of his friends. he listened to aep. they did what he told them to do. that was it. we were up against it. we were done. >> is so you think that governor kasich chose sides instead of thinking about jobs and economic

development. you think he made a political decision as much as anything else? >> absolutely. a thousand families on the far eastern banks of ohio overlooking west virginia, he couldn't care less about. these hill counties he never cared about. ohio doesn't start until the ground gets flat. >> ohio -- >> these hill -- >> go ahead. >> it's just that everybody around here always said that a high doesn't start until the ground gets flat. they'd give these counties to west virginia if they would take them. >> he'd give away a portion of the state if they'd take them. to enable the plant to resume full operations. it seems to me that kasich has got some allies on this as well, correct? >> yes, sir. i believe that's true. >> okay. quickly, what are these families going to do?

>> move. retire. lose everything they worked for. try to retrain, but it's hard to retrain a 60-year-old man. >> yeah. >> most of us are in bad health. i know personally i'm wore out. everything on me hurts. the only parts on me that don't hurts are the ones they've cut off. >> all right. >> i don't know what they're going to do. >> we will follow the story. ohio is a place "the ed show" has to go. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight in miami. tonight's lead, americans want a fair shake. republicans want a december break. today it's clear american