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rascals. good to have you all on board. i'm glad you're here. really helps out. we're going to start in the midwest. emergency crews are doing all they can to help this morning after a series of deadly storms swept through a huge portion of the midwest. at this hour the death toll stands at six. dozens more injured. they think the death toll may rise. no town was hit harder than washington, illinois, where the path of destruction was devastating. >> our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil, amen. >> the people in that video were all right in the end. nbc's jay gray joins us from there this morning. jay?

>> reporte >> reporter: hey there, good morning, mika. a tragic situation unfolding in central illinois where at least six people are dead. recovery teams still sifting through rubble like this which stretches for miles. there's concern that number could go up. they'll get a better idea of the extent of the damage here but they already know it is devastating. not only in illinois but across eight states in all with at least 40 tornadoes and violent thunderstorms which really rocked a big section of the country from kentucky all the way through michigan. hundreds of thousands still without power. dozens injured. we do know that fema teams already on the ground. we've been told by the white house that the president continues to get updates on the situation. the teams are moving in, doing what they can, shelters open. a lot of people staying with family and friends. the beginning of what's sure to be a long and very difficult recovery. that's the latest here in washington, illinois. i'm jay gray. mika, joe, back to you. >> thanks very much. right to bill karins for the latest on how the weather is looking at this point. bill? >> these storms have moved from the midwest now racing through

the northeast this morning. just amazing that this was mid-november. we do get tornado outbreaks in november, but not typically this far north. this is the northern ohio valley. they get snowstorms in november. the number of tornadoes, too. this turns out to be the second most active severe weather day we've had this year. even compared to those big events we had back in the spring. the blue tdots show you wind damage all last night from ohio to pennsylvania. r red triangles all the tornado reports. philadelphia, you are all clear. new york city, you are all clear. line of storms trying to move up over the top of providence, right now, boston. still could get strong gusty winds that could take down some isolated trees. for the most part, the worst of our stormy weather, the tornadoes and wind damage is ending, mika. the cleanup weather for the forecast is just fine for illinois and indiana. as you see from the damage, a long, long road ahead. >> bill, thanks so much. >> we'll get to you later. >> robert, we're going to go --

break into washington news. i guess the headline over the weekend was that the president and his team are suggesting that there are going to be some changes in the white house. that this rollout was a failure and it sounds like we're going to look at a new -- you know, new leaders in the administration in the coming years. >> i do think one of the things to sort of instill confidence in leadership after the rollout is to make some sort of change in those that were responsible for the rollout. i don't think there's any doubt that in order to give people confidence, they've got to make some -- some changes. particularly over at hhs and cms. >> mike, some people are going to get fired. i don't know how you to it any other way. i just don't know how you allow this status quo that let the president down, let -- let his supporters down, let the country down. i don't know how you keep them in place. >> the only question is when do they do this? why haven't they done it yet? i don't know the answer to that.

i assume that you're not going to fire people wholesale a couple of weeks ago because that just adds to the turmoil. but when are they going to do this? because the date is creeping up on us. the end of the month. >> yeah. >> it's right here. >> julie, you're in the white house, obviously. you've seen this unfold. especially the problems with syria. and then the problems with the nsa. and all of these other things where the president supposedly was kept in the dark. now you've got this -- this train wreck. i mean, let's be blunt. the president himself is suggesting people are going to get fired for the mismanagement of the past several months. >> certainly that's the sense that we're getting. you're right. it's more than just what's happening with health care. this is something that really started earlier this summer when you had the revelations about the irs. what was happening with the justice department and my news organization. then it just continued throughout the summer and into the fall with syria and the botched plans to nominate larry summers to run the fed. there is a sense that, you know,

things just aren't going very well. what i think was pretty striking about the president's news conference last week is, you know, he said that there have been occasions over the past year where he felt like the white house got slapped around a bit by the press unfairly. but that now even he has to admit that the criticism is completely warranted. >> robert, let me ask you about president obama's style. as someone who's been at his side, been in the room with him at times of crisis. over the last month, month and a half, has he been getting people in a room every day and yelling at them demanding answers, or how does he handle a situation like this? >> i certainly have heard and i think others have heard not long after the rollout began, having people come over, particularly again from hhs and cms. and as the president said in the news conference, if things were going to be bad, if everybody knew they were going to be bad, why did we go out and say this thing is going to be great. the website is going to work. it'll be like travelocity or some highly functional --

amazon, some highly functional website where you can make a lot of choices. >> you believe, though, he really didn't know beforehand? if so, what a failing by the staff to allow him to go out and say -- >> that's what i think. >> i do to some degree because i think this is the signature initiative. and if there is something that's not working, there's not exactly a big rush to get into the oval office. and tell the boss. i think this is probably true in almost any business or bureaucracy. that things are not well. if things are going to get botched. my sense is it took a while for them to figure out the extent of the problem. >> here's where we stand when it comes to obama care. the white house's best case scenario may not be good enough. according to administration officials the internal goal is to have an 80% success rate by the end of this month. that means they only expect four out of five people to be able to enroll for health care coverage through the website. while there are still proposals in both chambers of congress to amend obama care, minority leader nancy pelosi says democrats are united behind the

president's law. >> i don't think you can tell what will happen next year. but i will tell you this. democrats stand tall in support of the affordable care act. this is an issue that has to be dealt with. but it doesn't mean, oh, it's a political issue so we're going to run away from it. no. it's too valuable for the american people. what is important about it is that the american people are well served. not who gets re-elected. >> all right. >> the impact of obama care's rollout on the white house has sparked some debate whether or not it compares to president bush's response to hurricane katrina. >> there's a qualitative difference. i know the comparisons we've made -- >> there certainly is. >> of people dying in new orleans and people trying to get health care and not able to get health care. but it is -- from a political standpoint it's eerily similar to president bush in the fall of 2005. >> i disagree. it's hard on these feeding frenzies in washington to have perspective.

where could we be in four or five months? hopefully the website is working fine and people are enrolling for health care. the story could change. once the website gets fixed, i think the political notion that next year's election or 2016 the republican platform is going to be getting rid of health care, millions of people will be signed up. it's an impossibility. >> meanwhile in washington, the district's insurance commissioner has been dismissed from his job after he publicly criticized president obama. >> the day after. >> william light said allowing canceled policies to continue, quote, undercuts the purpose of the exchanges including the district's d.c. health link by creating exceptions that make it more difficult for them to operate. >> mike, the next day, they fired him. >> show him. >> oh, boy. that's what we want. >> now he's without health care. >> what was he thinking, telling the truth? >> all right. >> you hear about this race in louisiana? >> yeah. louisiana has a new congressman. happy to move on. >> this is pretty special stuff. >> it is. >> i mean, it suggests, actually, a little battle.

in -- you know, kind of like a follow up to what happened in the alabama one. where you had a business person who's sane and rational winning. >> there's always hope. a republican who took down the tea party backed front-runner by emphasizing a populist and pragmatic approach to government that he says is not based solely on ideology. political newcomer vance mcallister easily beat state senator neil riser in saturday's runoff for the fifth congressional district. riser was backed by tea party groups and the establishment including eric cantor opposed efforts to raise the debt ceiling unless spending cuts were also included. while both candidates opposed obama care, mcallister said he was more interested in fixing the law. while his opponent was focused solely on repealing it. >> willie robertson reminding you to get out saturday. >> it didn't hurt that mcallister picked up the endorsement from the stars of the hit reality show "duck

dynasty"? which is filmed in the district. are you serious? what's happened. i was doing so well. who is that guy? >> the ghost of ronald reagan. >> willie robertson versus eric cantor. willie robertson won. >> that clinched it for him? >> you know, it's interesting. what's interesting here, robert, democrats shouldn't look at this and say, oh, there's a big difference between these two guys. and that this guy that won is going to be this flaming moderate. all he said was, we're not going to shut down the government. we're going to amend obama care. and make it work for the people of this district instead of blowing up the government. it's interesting, a very conservative louisiana district. people said, we prefer that to the nonsense we've been seeing in d.c. lately. >> it'll be interesting to see if there's a wave of pragmatism in some of these primaries. look, primaries -- >> that was.

that's the word. conservative pragmatism. >> look, those are the primaries that probably have cost republicans five senate seats in the last two election cycles. nominating somebody even in places like missouri that ultimately couldn't get elected in a general election. what's most important as we mention the website being fixed or mostly being fixed by the end of the month, from december 1st until december 15th you're likely to see a wave of people selecting plans because to be covered by the first of january, you have to be enrolled by december the 15th. that's why it's so important that the administration, even if it's only 80%, get the website as functional as possible. >> mike, you know how hard it is for a guy in louisiana to say something other than what his opponent was saying? which was, we're going to abolish obama care and i'm going to shut down, i'm going to do everything that needs to be done? that's a primary message. the other guy actually had the guts to say, no, no, no. listen. we can't shut down the government. i don't like obama care.

we're going to have to amend it to make it better. and he was rewarded. this is -- i tell you, this and what happened with bradley byrne in alabama one, these are house races in those gerrymandered house districts that we talk about all the time. >> there was another added element in addition to the pragmatism, which i think you're right about. the winner of this primary came from outside the system. he ran against a guy in the system. a state senator in the legislature. i think you're going to see a lot of people from outside the system coming in as outsiders saying, let's make something work. let's get something done. the other element, and it may have played a part in this. i don't know. but if you talk to people about whatever you want to call it. the aca. obama care. whatever you want to call it. and you talk to people in hospitals or around hospitals, and you ask them, how is the system working for you right now, they say, no. we need something that works. we need something else. we do not want to give our health policies, our lives,

perhaps, to insurance companies. we don't want to do that. we need the system fixed. >> mike's point about the outsider appeal, mcallister made a point of saying during the campaign, i've never set foot in washington. >> that's a winning message. >> that's huge. >> a businessman. had a lot of his own money that he could put into the race. that didn't hurt. but he went out and said some nice things about obama care and his opponent crushed him on that throughout the race. mcallister watched his lead grow as that happened. >> that's a real sign. let's talk about 2016 speculation, shall we? this is kind of interesting. governor scott walker, who's name has been mentioned as a possible contender, was asked who would make an ideal candidate for the republican party. >> i think it's got to be an outsider. i think both the presidential and the vice presidential nominee should either be a former or current governor. people who've done successful things in their states, taken on big reforms, ready to move america forward. >> that rules out marco rubio, rules out ted cruz, rules out rand paul.

>> all good guys. it's got to be somebody who's removed from washington. >> your criteria would also rule out paul ryan. >> yeah. and i love paul ryan. if he had a fan club, i would be the president of that. >> gosh, he sort of sounds like he's describing, um -- >> wait. hold on. who could it be? >> take a guess. >> himself. >> you know what? in scott's defense, i was one of these -- >> i know exactly what you're talking about. >> do you remember who i was talking to? >> i was there. we did so many events. >> i was asked in an interview, who should be it? i said, you know what? it's got to be somebody that at no time just get elected to senate a couple of years ago. you won't like this. but i said we've learned from barack obama that you don't want a guy that just gets elected to senate, hangs out for a couple of years and decides he wants to be president of the united states. that's an absolute disaster. we need somebody that's either from the outside or -- that was

my -- what i'm saying, thinking about marco rubio -- let me finish it. but i immediately thought afterwards, i was like, uh-oh. i just ruled out marco, ted cruz and rand paul and the other 78 people in the senate that thing they're going to be president of the united states. but it does make sense. you don't want somebody that just got up to washington, that's a senator that doesn't have experience either running things on the state level or running things in the private sector. i'm sorry. now i'll let you. >> no, no, no. i'm just saying -- i think that's probably true for 2016. i think it has less to do with the amount of time you spent in washington. i think as the congressman, the new congressman from louisiana proved it's that you have anything to do with washington. if you've been there ten minutes or ten years, i think people are going to see washington as a big part of the problem. i definitely think governors have a leg up. >> yeah. >>s if fascinating interview when he mentions paul ryan. he says i would be the president

of his fan club. i thought, wow. >> oh, my gosh. >> listen, though. you could be the president of a fan club. if you believe that a governor or running a business is preferable to being in the house or senate, you know. >> at the rate things are going, julie pace, with the sort of dissatisfaction with washington, i wonder how that impacts -- by the way, didn't it seem like scott walker was describing scott walker? but i wonder how that impacts the democrats like hillary clinton? >> absolutely. i mean, i think you're going to hear this word "outsider" pretty consistently. anybody who has anything to do with washington right now is tainted. whether it's by health care, whether it's by some of the budget battles. hillary clinton will face a lot of criticism over benghazi and a lot of things that happened on foreign policy. when you do talk to voters, though, there is this real sense that they just want people who can get things done. this is what we were talking about after chris christie's re-election a few weeks ago. he just exudes this -- this sense that he's going to go out and get things done. i think you're going to hear

christie, scott walker, bobby jindal, painting themselves even more as outsiders. all of us here, though, know that these guys certainly are close to folks in washington. they're not, you know, real political novices. but anything that can show that you're from outside the beltway is going to be beneficial. >> robert? >> question, julie, for you. the irony now that i get to ask you a question after all those years. >> i don't think i like this. i don't like the tables turned. >> this one -- trust me, it won't be as good as the ones you asked me. you wrote a story, big story for the weekend about the white house needing to take steps to regain the president's credibility. not just on health care, on other issues. did they walk you through or do you get a sense of what that plan is for the next sort of several weeks here left in 2013 and what plans might be they readying for 2014? >> well, i think there's some internal efforts and then there

are going to be some external efforts. internally, you heard this from the president last week, there's certainly a sense that they need to do some evaluating and figure out, why didn't the president know? why didn't senior staffers know that the health care rollout was going to be so bad? and why have we seen kind of similar situations on other issues. then the external portion is going to be focus on a couple of things. one, and the primary part of this, is going to be fixing the website. making sure that as many people as possible who've received these cancellation notices are able to either keep their policy or get lower cost policies with better coverage. and then there's going to be an effort to really just speak to the president's supporters. he's going to be doing a conference call later today with organizing for action supporters. this is the president's political arm. and you're going to see him keep talking about things like the economy. like immigration. what the white house doesn't want to have happen is make it look like they've been completely consumed by health care and can't focus on anything else. >> interesting. the disdain for washington, by

the way, there's a lot of things i like about scott walker who will be on the show on wednesday. >> wednesday. he's going to be here wednesday. >> but, you know, hillary clinton's message at this point is that she can win as opposed to someone else. which is just as destructive as some of the republicans' message. people want a real message. and a no nonsense, outside washington approach. >> this is why i'm saying, you know, it's very early. but this message from hillary clinton is a guaranteed loser. it really is. >> i'm telling you. >> i can win. the fact there's a possibility of having another clinton versus another bush. which i still think people are going to push jeb into this race. boy, that is -- they seem like they would be -- >> it's all too coordinated and planned. >> people are going to revolt against this. they really are. >> people -- don't misunderstand scott walker. that was not simply directed at three members of the united states senate. right? that is -- that's a general election message. that will be -- if they nominate

two people from outside, it will be a very much changed washington. >> let me tell you who may actually have a leg up. at least in the state of alabama and half the state of alabama. saturday night, this was absolutely unbelievable. >> oh, wow. >> auburn, after blowing a huge lead, last second, what happened here, robert? >> this, fourth and 18. 25 seconds left. deflected ricardo lewis. 73 yards. the immaculate deflection. in tuscaloosa they call that luck. in auburn we call that destiny. >> that's amazing. >> after almost blowing a 20-point lead. watch this. watch this. >> dude! knock it down! >> what a beauty. >> just like they drew it up on the field right on the grass. you go long. that guy will tip it to you. >> you're like me. you played football. what did the coaches -- >> knock it down.

pound it in the turf. >> this sets up a week from saturday at auburn, alabama. >> you guys could destroy alabama, break nick saban's heart. send us to the blue bonnet bowl. >> that would be one of the happiest days of my life. coming up on "morning joe," former presidential candidate rick santorum will be here on the set. also lawrence o'donnell. u.s. ambassador samantha power. later, saudi billionaire prince alwaleed bin talal. as we go throughout the morning, we're still watching the new england area. still some gusty winds out there, too, as our storm begins to exit. our severe weather is over. winds are still howling. buffalo, 43 mile per hour wind gusts in the last hour. that's pretty much the worst of it. i don't think we're going to see too much more damage from here on out. as far as your monday forecast

goes, look at the airports. a lot of them are going to be okay today. not going to have many travel issues. even in new england after our rough start, the rest of the day will be okay. a little rain showers from new orleans and orlando. a new storm coming into the northwest. eventually that storm will head into the intermountain west. maybe eventually bringing snow to the northern rockies. our friends out there in san francisco will see their first rain in literally about two months. looks like they need it, too. california has been very dry as of late. of course, the big headline was the tornadoes. looks like that threat is over with as we go through our monday morning. we leave you with a shot of new york city's times square. storms move through. no damage reported, thankfully. you're watching "morning joe."

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time now to take a look at the morning papers. raleigh news & observer on wednesday. the president and first lady will be joined by former president bill clinton and hillary clinton at a wreath laying ceremony at jfk's grave site at arlington cemetery. from the telegraph mt. etna, europe's most active volcano erupted over the weekend sending smoke and ash in the skies over sicily in italy. it began late saturday and tapered late sunday closing air space around the volcano. none of the villages around the base of the volcano were affected. the last major eruption was in 1992. "the new york times." airline companies in the middle

east are lining up to buy boeing's new 777x jets. the airline says its new engines will save 12% on fuel costs. they're expected to replace the old jets by 2020. boeing is considering several locations for production after union workers in washington state rejected their proposal. from our parade of papers, the "chicago tribune." the u.s. postal service is reporting that $5 billion loss mika was talking about, that's down from the $16 billion it lost last year. the agency says it's the result of reducing employees' hours and also growth in its shipping. the postal service says it's still in need of legislative pushes to help further cost cutting measures. like eliminating saturday deliveries. >> san francisco chronicle. last year amtrak lost $72 million on food and beverages. the rail company says almost all of its 2012 food service losses came from serving meals on long

distance trains. on one route alone, amtrak lost $428,000 in complimentary wine and cheese. in total, amtrak has lost nearly $1 billion in food services. >> give them a bag of pretzels. "the wall street journal." after losing nearly 3 million jobs during the recession women have recovered all those positions they lost during the economic downturn. now they account for a record 67.5 million jobs in the workforce today. men, they haven't faired as well. they have 69 million holding down jobs. but that's down from about 71 million in 2007. >> here's the problem. the women are still paid less. >> and working harder. >> and working a lot harder. all right. let's go to t"the new york pos post". there's an update on the chain smoking baby. >> willie is the newsman that had the guts to bring this little tyke into all of america's hearts. it was one of the great -- it's kind of like milton beryl.

>> he's from indonesia. i would consider that child abuse. >> this is one of willie's -- i was consider that a menthol taste. willie brought this in the classic news you can't use segment. >> right. here we're doing it as if it's news. apparently he was 2 at the time he was being abused this way. and he's kicked the habit. >> oh, that's good. >> of 40 cigarettes a day. the problem now is that he's addicted to junk food. similar addictions, actually. cigarettes and junk food. >> look at those muscles. >> the 5-year-old weighs 56 pounds and eats primarily junk food and condensed milk. i don't know why -- i don't understand. >> he's carbo loading, man. >> the cdc says the average weight of a 5-year-old is 40 pounds. >> when you're packing on the muscle like that kid is, what are you going to have? kale? >> snickers bars. i don't need credit for bringing that story. i'm glad the truth is out there. it's not about me. it's about truth. >> oh, god. this is all sick.

move on and do politico. >> with us now chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen with a look at the playbook. >> good morning, willie. four wins in a row for your g-men. >> this is true. started 0-6. 4-6 in a pathetic division. they still have a chance. sports in a second. right now we'll talk about liz cheney and the cheney family. liz trying to convince cob servetiserv -- conservative voters it's time for a change. it's not enough senator enzi voted against obama care and received high marks from groups like the american conservative union, right to life and the nra. >> it's not about age. it's about -- he's been here for 18 years. the last five under barack obama. and the people of wyoming are suffering greatly. we're ground zero for this president's policies. when you're in a position like that, it's not enough just to say, you know what? i'm going to go on and get along. i'm going to continue business as usual here in washington. you got to demonstrate results. it's going to take on our side of the aisle people who are willing to lead. you know, people who are willing to stand up and say, you know what? the president's war on coal

isn't just going to devastate wyoming. it requires leadership. it requires mobilizing people to stand up against this onslaught of our constitutional rights, our liberties and our vams. frankly over the last five years things have gotten worse for the people of wyoming, not better. >> mike, we'll talk about liz's public fight with her sister in just a moment. what's happening now in the state of wyoming for liz cheney? is she making up ground on mike enzi? >> well, there was one poll that came out from a superpac that was behind mike enzi that showed a huge lead, like 50 points for the incumbent. cheney's campaign in a sign of atone of what's going on out there put out a poll pointing out that that was also the same company that put out a statement saying that was also the company that showed ted cruz behind by 50 points in his race. nobody knows where the state is. it's a small population. that's what we've been saying here on "morning joe." that liz cheney could win. she'll probably have more money. the fishing fight that we talked

about here on "morning joe" before, that just showed it's very personal, very nasty between someone who is -- two families that are both legends in that state. >> mike, let's talk about the fight yesterday with her sister mary cheney. mary cheney and her wife, heather powe, taking to facebook to come out against liz. liz said publicly my sister and i disagree on guy marriage. i am not for guy marriage despite the fact that my sister mary is married. mary fired back writing in part, liz, this isn't an issue on which we disagree. you're just wrong and on the wrong side of history. it got uglier from there. her wife heather powe saying liz cheney supported us at her wedding. said she was happy for us and proud. now she's turning on us for cynical political reasons. >> this is the family feud edition of "morning joe." heather powe statement went on to take a shot at liz cheney for moving from northern virginia when she worked here in washington to jackson hole,

wyoming. and she said, you know, as liz cheney moves from state to state, she might not like it if there were different laws about her family. this had been a very personal issue between the two before this exchange. liz cheney in going for the conservative swath of the vote had been against gay marriage. this is the first time it's been this personal publicly. >> to your point i guess they hadn't spoken to each other since the summer. i think it was jonathan martin who got an e-mail from mary and heather. they said we don't expect to see liz around the holidays this year. very interesting in the cheney family right now. >> yeah. >> politico's mike allen with a look at the playbook. coming up, a matchup of a couple heavyweight this is denver on nbc last night. previously undefeated chiefs putting that perfect record on the line against peyton manning and the broncos. "morning joe" sports is next. sfx: oil gushing out of pipe.

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10-0, broncos. at that point, the chiefs answer. start the second quarter. alex smith finds dwayne bowe in the corner of the end zone. 10-7, broncos. denver up in the third when monta ball gives a two score lead. denver deals the chiefs their first loss. 27-17. they're now tied atop that division. new orleans, tie game in the fourth. looked like it might go to overtime. that's a fair catch on the 25 yard line. you can't hit the man after he's called for the fair catch. 15 yard penalty. moves the saints up the field and gives them a shot. and they kick a 31 yard field goal for the win. final score, 23-20, new orleans. redskins/eagles. philly fans not welcoming of their washington rivals as you might expect. they egged the redskins bus. >> it's philly. that's welcome in philadelphia. >> washington nose guard chris baker posted a photo of the egging. it was just as hostile inside.

lesean mccoy snatched a redskins banner out of the hands of a fan, crumpling it into a ball throwing it on the ground. as for the game, mccoy ran for a couple touchdowns. eagles snapped a ten game losing streak at home with a 24-16 win. >> packers, giants, baby. >> giants started the season 0-6. they've won four in a row. green bay still without aaron rodgers. that's not good. backup scott tolzien, three interceptions including a pick six there. pierre paul, a defensive lineman, going in for the touchdown. giants win, 27-13. giants are back in the playoff hunt if you can believe it. they're 4-6. their fourth win in a row. eagles move on top. cowboys host -- excuse me. giants host the cowboys next week. >> that's a big one. >> incredible. oh, my gosh. >> did you see that odd play? >> it is odd. cardinals/jags. arizona running back andre ellington takes the hand off, swarmed by jacksonville

defenders. when the pile clears jason babin emerges with a fist full of dreadlocks. raising it in the air like a scalp before flinging it to the turf. ellington later recovered his dreads, posted them on twitter and said, i'm all good. ripping out the dreads. >> ow. >> there's a lot of dreads in the nfl these days. >> good thing you didn't grow those. >> i'm working on it. these are eventually going to be dreads. >> is it going to be gone soon, what you've got going there? >> two more weeks. two more long, long weeks. what are you thinking, mika? >> you look like that guy in the video who went for the politician down south. >> duck dynasty? >> that's a compliment. willie robertson. >> i would say at this rate -- >> it's going to be a while. >> it's going to be awhile. >> just sort of has that look to it. >> that's what i'm going for. scary incident in the stands up in buffalo, yesterday. bills playing the jets. this was caught on tape.

unidentified fan fell from the upper deck. >> what? >> after sliding down the railing. oh, my gosh. the fan is okay. we should say right away, he's all right somehow. only minor injuries. my gosh. >> oh, my lord. >> he fell on another fan who reportedly now has a head injury because of what happened up there. incredible. up next, mika's must read opinion pages. right back with more "morning joe." ♪

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washington, d.c., on this monday morning. a lot prettier than new york. >> if tj could get his head out of the gutter to get that shot. >> we want to go quickly. news you can't use as well as incredibly important things. frank rooney. more fun with bill and hill. before president obama administered his fix to the affordable care act last week bill clinton piped up opining obama should honor his claim that americans with insurance they liked could keep it. this advice wasn't exactly solicited. and in as much as it gave detractions of obama and obama care a fresh kudgel -- which is where things really get interesting and which may be the most accurate appraisal of all. clinton is looking to 2016. and he's helping hillary. it's less dicey for him than for her to second guess obama. which could wind up being a prerequisite to succeeding him.

his presidency at this particular moment looks more and more like one of those unlucky florida homes perched unsuspectingly over a sink hole. soon only the top of the chimney will be visible. >> robert, there just aren't a lot of people close to the president that were thrilled with bill clinton going out and basically saying what republicans have been saying for six months. i mean, do you think as frank says it's only going to get worse? as he does his wife's bidding instead of the white house's bidding? >> look, it certainly could. i mean, i was a little surprised to see this week that accompanying the president and first lady to the grave site in arlington isn't the vice president, but, in fact, the former president and the former first lady and former secretary of state. it's a bit of a -- look, kennedy played a big part in bill clinton's life and political upbringing. but still a little bit of a strange pairing. >> it's an agreement, isn't it?

>> i don't know anything about that. >> he knows nothing. >> robert. come on. >> i haven't been there for quite some time. >> mike barnicle -- >> the agreement has been in place for quite some time. >> bill clinton did barack obama no favors last week. yet he's kind of stuck with him. >> they're all going to pretend -- >> president obama is stuck with bill clinton and this guy is fwoing to keep talking like this between now and 2016. >> there is no doubt about it. there's no doubt about it. it's an internal family feud. i assume if i were the president of the united states or anybody around him you'd want to keep former president clinton quite close to you. julie, i don't know how much of what was in the -- you know, mark halperin and john heileman's book about president obama's reaction toward president clinton played a part in former president clinton's remarks last week. but there clearly is and always has been some tension between the two. >> well, these are just two very different men when you look at the personalities and their political styles.

there was a slight -- a little slight, i guess, from the obama white house to the clintons, though, after he made his comment where jay carney stood at the podium and said, well, look, bill clinton is a guy who knows about health care. after all, he tried to pass it and he couldn't. so basically saying, you know, he gave it a shot. we're the ones who got it done. >> julie, thank you. that makes sense they would go to the kennedy -- mm-hmm. up next, news you can't use. toronto mayor, rob ford. you guys won't say the truth about what i'm talking about here. you will not do it. you're afraid to. won't get a little thing like crack use in the way of his future plans for office. we'll tell you what job he wants next. >> this is about what? >> the obama/clinton relationship. [ male announcer ] what if a small company became big business overnight? ♪ like, really big... then expanded? ♪ or their new product tanked? ♪ or not? what if they embrace

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i'm going to go on a show where people do believe me and will believe anything i say. >> mr. mayor, at this point, what show would possibly believe you? >> mayor rob ford. patriot. hero. role model. tonight, he'll tell a side of the story you have to hear to believe. so, mayor ford, once and for all, what is the truth? >> i have never done crack. >> i believe you. >> i've also never smoked pot. >> i believe you. >> and i've never had alcohol. >> mayor ford?

i believe you. >> oh, my god! this is the best show! >> mayor rob ford on "snl." today the toronto city council is scheduled to take a vote to strip mayor rob ford of his remaining powers. >> what? >> leaving him little more than a figure head. >> toronto is a banana republic if they allow that to happen. nobody's going to go back to that flea bitten city. rob ford made toronto what it is today. >> you'll be happy to know the council does not have the power to remove ford. he's vowed to run for another term in office. he spoke to american media, reiterating he's not going anywhere. >> good, good. >> i've admitted to using illegal drugs. in the last year. okay. i've admitted to drinking too much. okay. so i'm dealing with it. i am training every taday.

i'm in a gym for two hours every day. i'm seeking professional help. i am not an alcoholic. i am not a drug addict. have i had my outbursts in the past? absolutely i have, john. but you know what? i'm only human. i've made mistakes. i've apologized. that's all i can do. >> mayor ford also has an ambition for higher office. >> oh, good. >> if people want to start bringing up personal stuff, that's fine. and, yes, one day i do want to run for prime minister of canada. >> mike, he's losing weight. he's cleaning up. you know what? he's getting off the drugs. he's high on life. come on. this is a guy you'd want to run your city. >> he's becoming a role model. >> who do you think if he had another election, rob ford or bill de blasio. who would win that one? >> in manhattan? >> yeah. in manhattan. i think ford would give him a run for the money. >> definitely. jump ball right now. >> despite being asked not to attend by the league commissioner who said please don't come to the game, mayor

showed up at sunday's toronto argonauts game. thousands of fans posting photographs of ford in the stands to twitter and instagram. including this. a woman next to him holding the sign "our mayor's better than your mayor." >> slow clap. >> what's the end game for the mayor? well -- >> what is the end game. >> rob ford and his brother, doug, debut a new talk show tonight on canadian television called "ford nation." >> of course. >> i love it, man. >> thank you, willie. that was fantastic. >> my pleasure. up next, nbc news political director chuck todd right here in studio. also, the last word. lawrence o'donnell. >> he's awake? i'm scared. >> keep it on "morning joe." la's known definitely for its traffic,

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president obama on thursday admitted that there were flaws in the affordable care act. saying we did fumble the ball. then the republicans recovered it. and then we tried to chase after them. and then our pants fell down. the woman who was featured on the healthcare.gov home page said this week after the law's flawed launch, she became the victim of cyber bullying. that's the risk you run when you choose to get into the glamorous high stakes world of stock photo modeling. >> oh, my goodness. welcome back to "morning joe."

>> is she -- the woman, i had heard that she -- i don't know. >> what? >> international model. >> okay. that was a look at the comcast -- >> don't go there. >> i'm not going to. you don't know if that's true or not. >> let me help you. did you take anything last night? >> no. nothing. >> are you sure? are you sure you didn't take something? >> we're not going to talk about it. i just heard she was in colombia or something. >> she was an international model. >> we don't know that. we've got to keep that -- >> my reading is that she has a green card. >> that's good. joining the table the host of nbc's "the last word." lawrence o'donnell. >> when lawrence says my reading is -- >> i read it somewhere. >> you look at the headlines. you look at the reading. >> this qualifies as your reading. >> i'd like to give you an accurate footnote. i just can't remember where. >> chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "daily rundown" chuck todd. a.p.'s julie pace still with us in washington as well.

okay. are you all ready? >> yeah. we can talk about obama care and all that. i want to start with chuck todd, though. in louisiana we've now had two races where -- where what would have worked in 2010 is not working in 2013. the special elections. of course, bradley byrne was outflanked on the right. bradley byrne won with business money. louisiana, we've got a business guy that actually very conservative, but he said i'm not going to shut down the federal government. we're not going to blow up obama care. what we're going to do is we're going to amend it. he got absolutely killed for it. ended up running away with a special election. a very conservative republican district. >> i think that's where you wonder, does -- i mean, we're going to find out more in south carolina. we're find out more in these high profile senate races. it always has been these smaller races that the tea party has been able to win. an underfunded guy has always been able to win with just that message. of, you know, don't -- goedon't along to get along. you've got to go in there, fight

to the point of ir rarationalit. if you're the republican party maybe the best thing to happen out of the shutdown. it is interesting. this is two in a row. >> two in a row. >> two in a row where that's happened. in some ways, look, i think you can say cuccinelli by appearing with ted cruz -- you know, he certainly, he handicapped himself in virginia by aligning himself with -- even though he claimed he wasn't for the shutdown. but he aligned himself with the shutdown. >> it's interesting. about cuccinelli, you go and ask cuccinelli's people, bob costa now with the "washington post," bob costa wrote an article, when we went back when he was still with the national review, he asked cuccinelli's people. why did you lose this race? and he was expecting to get the answer, oh, it's because the national republican party stayed out. oh, it's because establishment republicans didn't -- they were very simple. it was the government shutdown.

it killed us. it te strdestroyed our numbers. it destroyed our game plan. we're now seeing in the cuccinelli race -- i would say three races. in the cuccinelli race, in this alabama race and in this louisiana race, very conservative areas where pragmatism, social tough -- all these guys are very conservative. but social -- i mean, tough conservatism, but pragmatic conservatism is winning. >> joe, that makes me wonder, what becomes the tea party's reaction to these losses? do they take a little step toward moderation? for example, why can't you say to these tea party -- >> by the way, not idealogically, but tactically. >> watch rand paul. watch what he doesn't say. watch the things he doesn't say. >> right. >> is rand paul a good enough tea party member for you? well, if you follow his playbook, you won't sound quite so extreme on certain issues as these guys have been doing. >> rand paul not blowing himself up. >> he never says i want to shut down the government.

he's very careful on that stuff. >> he is. >> he might have said it was the "duck dynasty" influence. might have been. >> "duck dynasty" in louisiana got super bowl numbers. >> look at that guy. >> i had no idea. >> if i ever write for anything, look at willie. i'm going to have willie stand next to me. >> i'm working on willie robertson territory. it's a long road. >> let's move on, please. when it comes to obama care, the white house's best case scenario -- i don't know if all would describe it as good enough -- according to administration officials -- >> it may not be good enough is what it means. >> the internal goal is to have an 80% success rate by the end of this month. that means they only expect four out of five people to be able to enroll for health care coverage through the website. while there are propose ams in both chambers of congress to amend obama care, minority leader nancy pelosi says

democrats are united behind the president's law. >> i don't think you can tell what will happen next year, but i will tell you this. democrats stand tall in support of the affordable care act. this is an issue that has to be dealt with. but it doesn't mean, oh, it's a political issue, so we're going to run away from it. no. it's too valuable for the american people. what is important about it is that the american people are well served. not who gets reelected. >> yes, lawrence. democrats stand tall except for when they're running for the bushes telling the president, save us or else we're going to kill this law. >> enough democrats stand tall. >> enough democrats stand tall. not enough to stop the president from having to -- you know, it's very interesting. after the president went ahead and did his fix, you still had, what, 39 democrats vote for the upton bill. which is a death nail for the affordable care act. >> they voted for something that they knew would not become law. okay? they were voting for their re-election campaigns.

>> but the white house obviously, every one of those 39 votes, is a sting for the white house. >> honestly, 39, they were relieved. >> they thought it was going to be over 50. >> they were worried over 50. we had mike doyle, he was talking there was going to be 100. i think there would have been 100 had the president not todon something and fallen on a sword the way he did thursday. you look at those previous votes. 32 was the high previously on sort of a health care bill that was sort of a -- they lost an extra seven. considering where they were 48 hours earlier, you know, again, this is lowering the bar of what's -- of what feels like not a loss anymore for the white house politically. >> yeah. there's still a sense of if it's going to work, if it's going to work. i'm not sure, julie pace, how long that can last. there's a word uncertainty comes back into play in a whole different way here. no one's been fired. and this is pretty bad. i hate this question usually, but what is the mood inside the

white house? >> well, it's not great. they understand -- it's not great. they understand that -- that this has gone just about as bad as it possibly could have gone for the president's signature legislative achievement. you know, there are two fronts right now in the white house. there's the one front that is very focused on trying to get this website up and running, trying to make sure that people can enroll by december 15th, which is a very important date. that's the day that you need to be enrolled in order to have coverage by january 1st. that's important for people who've been losing coverage with these cancellation notices. then the other track is simply trying to figure out how this happened. not just what happened with the website. but politically how did this happen? how did we get to the point where you had the president of the united states talking to the american people and saying, this is going to be as easy as buying a plane ticket on kayak. then having it be anything but. >> chuck, i guess even a couple of weeks ago, as recently as that, the line of the white house was this is a website problem. this is a bump in the road.

once we get past the website, and it will be fixed some day, when this law is implemented and people start to see the benefits of the law, we're going to be okay. history will forget this problem early on. has that idea changed now? are there pieces of this health care law that are now no longer redeemable, frankly? >> no. they really still believe 90% of the problem is the website. they still believe, go to the if you like your plan you can keep it. they believe if the website was up and running, then those people that supposedly like their plan you could keep it, would have seen the options, in their minds they're convinced they would have found a better plan or would have seen the plan that they thought they liked and they couldn't keep would have been, well, no, no, no. you know what? i am getting a better plan. they ultimately believe all of their problem is on the website. i think the 80%, you got to say at least they're learning some lesson here which is lower the bar. because they know it's not going

to run perfectly on november 30th. if you promised a perfect website then you would have lazy media and some in the opposition party who would just say, aha! the website took -- look it. there's the hourglass. there's the hourglass. >> lower the bar. which something they should have done -- >> lower the bar a little bit. >> julie, in washington the district's insurance commissioner dismissed from his job after he publicly criticized president obama. william white said, allowing canceled policies to continue, quote, undercuts the purpose of the exchanges including the district's d.c. health link by creating exceptions that make it more difficult for them to operate. what do you make of that? >> well, you know, that story was -- oh. >> go ahead. >> he's not the only one that has criticized this fix that the president announced last week. there are a lot of folks in the insurance industry who say that if all of these states and all of these insurance companies were to actually let these canceled policies continue, even just through next year, that it would really have a destabilizing impact on the

insurance market. that is just another concern for the white house. that if you announce a fix that may help you politically, does it actually hurt the law and hurt the policy that you're trying to implement? >> lawrence? >> you know, look, the insurance commissioner in washington, d.c., went out without checking with the mayor to criticize the president of the united states. and an action taken by the president of the united states. the mayor brings him into a meeting and says, according to the accounts published about it, you can't do business that way. you've got to check with us. we need you to apologize. he refused to apologize according to the accounts. even apologize procedurally, internally. so they said, this guy who does this can't work here anymore. >> yeah. look -- >> he expressed his opinion. >> look, for all practical purposes, you know, district of columbia is run by the federal government in terms of funding. you cannot have one of our commissioners go out and criticize an action taken by any president without checking with you, the mayor, first.

>> that's a little uncomfortable, though. >> what country are we in? >> let's remember what this is. vincent gray is about to get his you know what handed to him if he decides to run for re-election. right? obviously he's very worried. we know what this was. this was politically motivated. he's very worried of alienating african-american voters in the district of columbia that look like, oh, my god, this administration is anti-obama. and he already is politically in hot water. this, to me, smells like a total -- i mean, not to say all politics is local. this is a -- this is the mayor of d.c. more worried about himself than the perception. >> let's go back to we showed the nancy pelosi quote, willie, about the democrats stand firm. they're excited about this obama care deal. la di da di da. the real action over the next year, any time he's got a problem and you need a fix on obama care, you're going to have

these -- these, you know, you've got senators, democrats from alaska and arkansas and north carolina who were up. right? and then you've got all these other, you know, montana is up. south dakota. west virginia. we've got an open seat in georgia. this is going to be tough sledding for democrats in a lot of red states in the 2014 race. >> what was interesting to me over the course of the last couple weeks, seeing not yus those democrats, but democrats sympathetic by and large to the president coming out publicly and saying we've got to fix this. we've got to change it. whether it was dick durbin or steny hoyer. people the president can usually rely on. when you put it in those categories, they've got to run away, don't they, from obama care? >> i don't buy it. i know the playbook says you've got to run away. you're already going to own the negative. there is going to be a portion of the population that's going to be very happy -- this was always something, i think, that republicans didn't understand.

and what the obama campaign back in 2012 would say you don't understand, particularly with hispanic voters, health care was really popular. particularly with voters who are struggling -- with americans struggling with everyday pocketbook issues. the idea that the president of the united states went out on a limb and did something that was, you know, essentially trying to balance out something that has been -- that has been a problem for a lot of americans. i think the democrats got to be careful. if they start running for the hills too much -- tell me where that playbook has ever worked? democrats in '94 ran away from bill clinton. that worked. >> for who? >> yeah. for the republicans. >> by the way -- >> republicans running away from bush in '06. that worked for them. >> nothing more fun debating somebody. in '94 that was running against the president. it's just easy, easy pickings. >> you have no principles. >> lawrence, really th, the question is, what do these democrats do, what do the

senators do that are going to be in this difficult position. >> i think chuck's point is how do you run away from it? you voted for it. you got to get out there and you have to sell all the positive parts of it that you know people in your audience are already enjoying. having their 25-year-old kid on their policy. these things that are kind of invisible elements of the bill that they really got to get out there and say, you know, but, yes, we've got these little things that we want to fix. we're here because washington absolutely has stopped working on so many levels. what you used to do after legislation like this, and any legislation of any level of complexity, they were always followed six months later, certainly a year later, and usually a couple of times over a three-year period after the bill, they were followed by a bill called a technical corrections bill. nobody covered this. cameras were not there. they were boring hearings. and they would find the technical mistakes in legislation and they would correct them. >> the doc fix. amt. >> those bills would pass with

80% of the vote in the house and senate. even people who voted against the original bill would all vote for the technical corrections to it. all right. up next, she is the youngest ever diplomat to represent the united states at the u.n. u.n. ambassador samantha power joins the table. first, let's go straight to bill karins with a check on the forecast as well as an update on yesterday's deadly storms. bill? >> mika, we're seeing more and more pictures like these. this was an ef-4 tornado. this is what 200 mile per hour winds do when they go through a suburb with homes that are well built. i mean, just tears them apart. that was where the worst destruction, the strongest tornado occurred. there's been many others, too. we had 81 reports. probably end up somewhere around 40 or 50 confirmed tornadoes when they go out and do all the surveys and add it all up. that's the red triangles. the blue dots is the wind damage. that swept right across ohio, into pennsylvania last night. those storms kind of died right over the top of philadelphia and new york city a couple of hours ago. we only have a little bit left

as far as some stormy weather. it's starting to exit the boston area now, even. our friends up to the north in new hampshire and maine, you could get some strong wind gusts. no tornadoes. it'll be very isolated wind damage from here on out. for the most part we've already seen the worst of all these storms as we go throughout this monday morning where the cleanup is just very incredible. a lot of work the do there in illinois. prayers to you guys. "morning joe" will be right back. ♪ ♪ no two people have the same financial goals. pnc works with you to understand yours and help plan for your retirement. visit a branch or call now for your personal retirement review.

i think the problem with the partial deal is that you reduce the stananctions. in this case you reduce the sanctions, let out a lot of pressure. iran is practically giving away nothing. it's making a minor concession which they can reverse in weeks and you endanger the whole sanctions regime that took years to make. i don't think it's a good deal. i think it's a bad deal, an

exceedingly bad deal. we need a good deal. >> does he have a show? >> yes. >> oh, good. all right. >> here with us now, pulitzer prize winning author and u.s. ambassador to the u.n., samantha power. very good to have you on the show. so nice to meet you. >> great to be here. >> a red sox fan. >> i'm really impressed now. i like that. >> it would be a little weird if an irish woman were not a red sox fan. >> not these days. when they win a championship every three to four years. something doesn't compute as an irish person. >> do you want to start on iran? >> i thought you were going to read something out of "vogue." >> it is a great "vogue" piece. i didn't think it was good to start with, but i'll go there. >> all right. what does robert sullivan of "vogue" write. >> samantha power takes on the job of a lifetime. power became known among her

colleagues for producing two children while somehow keeping up with white house demands. gayle smith, a senior district tor at the nsc describes her as that person who's just barely arrive at the morning meeting looking for a pen and yet was seemingly balanced or as balanced as anyone can be. she has a great since of the ridiculous, says smith. the sheer ludicrousness of the kinds of hours one keeps here. how do you deal with one of the pressing issues that may be unfolding on the planet when your kid just threw up on his playmate. you have two very young children. >> it's a good thing to come home to. syria to the 4-year-old and 1-year-old. >> i would think transitioning takes on a whole new meeting. >> who are more childish, though? some of these ambassadors at the u.n.? are you allowed to say that? we are. >> probably not. why don't we go ahead and talk -- we saw the -- the clip of netanyahu talking about the peace -- about the deal with iran. you've got the french stepping forward, saying that they're not going to have a partial deal the

u.s. is pushing for, regardless. don't we give upmost of our leverage, most of our negotiating power if we do what he described as a halfway deal? >> well, let's -- we are here because of the sanctions. because of the crippling sanctions. and we have worked in lock step with the israelis around our shared objective of denying iran a nuclear weapon. and we will continue to do so. what you have on the table here, and it's the iranians, not us, who've walked away from it. the french are with us in lock step. you have something that is a -- would be a first step. it is something that would halt progress on their program, which is what we seek. it would enhance verification and transparency. this is a regime we do not trust any more than a israelis trust this regime. so to imagine down the line being able to go from zero to 60 without some kind of first step, i think, is unrealistic. this would allow us to gauge whether or not what they say is what they mean. whether they're prepared to follow through. a comprehensive deal is -- >> you say what they say is what

they mean or what they say is what they tweet? they're tweeting out why we walked away from the table. the iranians suggested it's our fault. you say they walked away from the table. why are they wrong? >> well, they're wrong because the facts -- >> trust me. it's a devil's advocate question here. i'm not taking sides with the iranians. the iranians are telling the world the united states walked away from the deal. >> the iranians walked away from the deal that was left in geneva. the talks are starting again this week. we're hopeful that we can get them back to seeing why this is in both of our interests, given, again, the generations of mistrust and the need to take a first step. we are concerned that if sanctions are imposed now of all times, when the sanctions have worked and we have brought iran to the table with a different kind of posture than they've shown over these many, many years, that the international

consensus that we do have including with the french -- >> that's the second time you said we're in lock step with the french, that the french are with us. the french say our proposal was too weak. >> president hollande and president obama spoke yesterday or the day before. again, we're moving full speed ahead on the basis of the p5 plus 1. >> have the french adopted our position. >> it's a joint p5 plus 1 position. it's important to stress that the vast majority of the sanctions, the entire sanctions regime, remain in place. what is being contemplated in exchange for very important steps on centrifuges, enriched uranium, is temporary, modest and reversible. >> what are the guarantees we're not going to see the same thing in iran that we're now seeing in syria? a promise there's going to be transparency. there's going to be inspections. the united states backs off.

and then you have assad apparently waffling on the transparency aspect. this is the great challenge in all of these deals. how do we assure that we will have full transparency? >> well, i think by never testing a proposition, you know where that goes. right? we know where this heads. it heads toward a military confrontation. so the sanctions were always a means to an end to bringing iran to the table. and, again, to imagine down the line that we would be able to go from zero to 60, let's say we're here six months from now and i say, joe, we've got a comprehensive deal. let's do it. you're not going to believe that any more than i would believe. this is a first phase where we have to get in there and test more than we have up to this point. and we always have the option of slapping more sanctions on as the president said, i think, a couple days ago. we would lead the charge in that effort. >> i'll be quiet after this. i promise. and pass it around here. you just talked about if -- if we don't make the deal, if we keep these sanctions in place, that's a march towards war. that's something we've heard from jay carney.

that's something we've heard from the white house. that if you aren't for the sanctions, which the white house put in place, and the continuation of these sanctions, somehow you want to go to war. some people think we need to keep the sanctions in place because that will make the iranians more willing -- >> we think we should keep the sanctions in place. some of the most potent sanctions are the ones put in place by my predecessor up here at the united nations. the international sanctions regime under the amount of modest relief they would receive in exchange for halting progress on their program and rolling back certain aspects of their program is very, very small compared to, again, the devastating effect of these crippling sanctions. >> as you know, ambassador, as well as anybody, generations of suspicion from us to iran and back towards us, why do you feel like the regime there, if you do feel that way, is different this time? why do you think there will be a different outcome than there's been over the last 35 years or so? is there something you see in the regime or this society where it says this is the time to talk and deal with us?

>> yes. the sanctions have brought them to the table. the level of economic concern, economic despair, a generation of young people being brought up without the same prospects and the same horizons that their predecessors had. i mean, they -- at least our impression is they are ready to talk. whether they are ready to do what is sufficient to bring about a lifting of sanctions is a whole nother question. that's, again, why we want to halt progress on the program so that we can have six months to test that proposition. >> samantha, respond to the netanyahu argument that says, what do the iranians, this oil rich country, why should we believe they even want a peaceful nuclear program? what's the point? why do they pursue this for any other reason other than becoming a nuclear power? that we shouldn't believe their whole idea they want a peaceful -- >> i'm going to disappoint you. i'm going to agree with the premise. why should we believe? that is why, again, as a first phase we need to get more inspectors in there, more

transparency, more -- >> shouldn't we want to shut this down? shouldn't we say, you know what, we'll lift these sanctions when you shut down your program. not a pause. not a this. a full shutdown. >> so when i come to you and say they're shutting it down tomorrow, are you going to believe them? why would you believe them? you've got to probe and got to test. at a minimum what we do conceivably is you get in there, again, the means to test whether they're about to break out. even that level of mistrust should want you to have more inspection, more verification. >> try and build something back. before you go, we'd like to get an update on the disability rights treaty. tell us about it and where it stands. >> thank you for asking. this is an instrument where basically in the -- in keeping with the great tradition of american exceptionalism, u.s. negotiators have put in an international instrument in a u.n. treaty, the basic tenants of the ada and disability rights protection we have at home. we're the gold standard on disability rights. we seek to join the obama administration and many in congress seek to join this treaty so we can use it as an

instrument to extend disability rights abroad. right now when your vets, wounded warriors, americans with disabilities travel abroad there's a dropoff, a colossal dropoff in terms of the accommodations they get when they travel internationally. by becoming part of the treaty we'll use this to try to get other countries to bring their standards up. >> to require the same things we require in this country. >> basically, yes. last year this treaty came up. despite the heroic efforts of bob dole, john mccain and others it fell short of the necessary votes. john kerry is testifying this week. >> isn't this a business competitive thing? >> absolutely. >> where american businesses have to do this, but then internationally they don't have to? >> exactly. there are all kinds of companies that love we're not party to this thing. that we're not pushing disability rights abroad. they don't have to subject themselves to the same disability rights we do. nearly all the veterans groups are on board pushing this. wounded warriors on capitol hill going door to door right now. we're hopeful that should be enough. >> ambassador, let me ask you one final question. you obviously exploded on to the scene back in i guess 2001, 2002

with the problem from hell talking about genocide. what's it like with that background, actually teaching -- teaching at the jfk school about the ongoing problem with genocide and sitting in the position you're sitting in, seeing what's happened in syria week after week, month after month, year after year? well over -- i mean, everybody obsesses over the chemical weapons. obviously that's abhorrent. but people keep getting slaughtered by this regime. how difficult is it for you with your background and your beliefs to be in office when this continues to happen? >> well, when i wrote my book and all the other work that i did on atrocities, it was with an eye to influencing whoever the person was in my job or whoever the president was. >> are you influencing yourself? >> pardon me? >> have you influenced yourself? come on. >> look, nobody's working harder than this president to bring the atrocities to an end. and nobody is more dissatisfied

than he is. and then those of us who work with him, we just keep pushing, turning over every stone, trying to get the parties to geneva for a political settlement. trying to enforce humanitarian norms that have been obliterated like medical neutrality which doesn't even exist. you know, there's nothing that you can say about the atrocities, probably, that we wouldn't agree with. the challenge is, which tools do you bring to bear? we've imposed crippling economic sanctions and isolation. we've tried u.n. observers to try to deter the practices. >> what have we learned? any improvements at all on the ground there? >> i would not say we have seen marked improvements. we're now pushing the humanitarian issues in trying to work with the russians to do that in the same way the chemical weapons deal, which i know you spoke critically of before, but is actually progressing. i think we've gone far further in taking away syria's chemical weapons in a short period of time than anybody would have imagined including the security council resolution. we're trying to get the russians to see there is a flow of foreign fighters and extremism

and state fiailure in syria, that's bad for russian interests, too. >> i wasn't being critical of the deal. i was saying there's obviously concern assad might be backing away from that. again, it's the ongoing transparency. >> we got to get in there and trust nothing when it comes to that regime. >> ambassador samantha power, thank you very much. nice to meet you. just a few challenges on your plate. >> just a few challenges. the "vogue" article made me tired. >> i wasn't going to start with it. coming up, dramatic moments caught on tape as a series of tornadoes tore through the midwest. incredible video next on "morning joe."

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>> reporter: severe weather cut a wide path through the midwest sunday afternoon. >> go, go, go, go, go! >> oh, my god. it's huge. >> reporter: putting more than 53 million people across ten states at high risk. tens of millions more as the storm pushed east. >> oh, my god. this thing is getting really wide. >> reporter: the national weather service issued significant warnings for tornadoes, damaging winds, heavy thunderstorms. >> these dangerous storms are expected to spread rapidly eastward during the afternoon. this is a very dangerous situation. >> reporter: in washington, illinois, three hours west of chicago, whole sections of the city flattened. >> reports already of 70 mile an hour winds associated with this storm. one inch hail. >> reporter: the strong winds barreled into a peoria, illinois, news station during the live broadcast. >> we may need to take shelter right now ourselves. >> yes, we do. >> we need to go off the air. we'll be back when we can. >> we'll be right back. >> reporter: heavy rain and straight line winds also caused

serious damage in missouri. >> oh, my goodness. this is going on downtown st. louis right now. we've got very strong winds, raining to beat the band. wow. that's why we have that severe thunderstorm warning right now. >> reporter: in chicago, a tornado warning delayed a bears and ravens game in soldier field during the first quarter. >> due to the inclement weather, the game will be temporarily suspended. >> reporter: forcing fans to evacuate the stadium. the line of storms spread from illinois through southeast michigan, wisconsin and ohio. pictures on social media showed the devastating effects of the storm. as it moved from one location to the next in a matter of minutes. giving people little visual confirmation of the threat before it struck. >> all the sudden the wind really started picking up. >> reporter: steve bucher from washington, illinois, was eating lunch when a tornado hit his street. >> within less than a minute,

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great progress is american energy. after years of talk about reducing our dependence on foreign oil, we are actually poised to control our own energy future. and just this week, we learned that for the first time in nearly two decades, the united states of america now produces more of our own oil here at home than we buy from other countries. that's a big deal. that's a tremendous step toward american emergency independence. >> certainly changes the dynamic. live look at the white house. that was president obama boasting about america's oil production in his weekly presidential address. here with us now, saudi billionaire and founder and chairman of the kingdom holding company, prince alwaleed bin talal. very good to have you on the show this morning. >> thank you. >> the prince has very busy. went up to toronto. >> invested in twitter. >> opened up a new four seasons. did you get to meet the toronto

mayor? >> no. than thanks god, no. >> that's too bad. >> i would thank god as well. let's talk about the president. obviously you heard him talking about oil production. a lot of people talking about how the united states is going to be the top oil producer by 2020. what does that do with the global scene? obviously, it's -- so many americans just think we get all of our oil from saudi arabia. actually, you've got huge producers in canada, russia, all over the world. what's the scene going to be looking like in the future? >> no doubt that the dynamics of the geopolitical situation will have to change as the dependence of the united states and the western european nations depends on oil from the east diminishes. we clearly are seeing the united states moving toward the direction of not only being self-sufficient from oil production, classic oil and gas but also shale oil, also could be a net oil exporter also. there's no doubt the dynamics of the relationship between saudi

arabia and the gulf region and united states may shift somehow. however, having said that, saudi arabia is an active country in the middle east. u.s. foreign policy will always depend on having a relation with the islamic world and arab world. there's no doubt saudi arabia will play a big role in that -- in that situation. >> are saudi leaders concerned by what they've seen across the middle east? that mubarak, who is one of our closest allies for 30 years, and one of our best friends for 30 years, in the eyes of many people in the middle east, i'm not characterizing this, this is what i've heard from ambassadors across the middle east, that the second things got uncomfortable, the united states threw mubarak overboard. does that give saudi leaders pause? >> frankly speaking, neither united states more any other power in the world could have done anything to salvage the

hosni mubarak regime. we have all these people in tahrir square asking for his removal. the united states could have done nothing frankly speaking. the era of mubarak clearly came to an end when this major rebellion took place. however, we've seen the alternative. the guy was heading the direction of one man, one vote, one kind. which is -- >> one man, one vote, one time. it's over. >> that's over. they want to be -- have an islamic -- very risky and dangerous. >> mike? >> prince, obviously you live in a very volatile world neighborhood. you've got syria in the daily headlines. now you have the negotiations ongoing, offgoing with iran. with regard to nuclear capability. what impact does that have on a daily basis in terms of saudi arabia? what impact does it have forward in terms of oil production, such volatility surrounding you? how do you deal with that? >> yeah. we have seen how saudi arabia,

when the oil production in iraq was disrupted, and more importantly in libya, how saudi arabia raised its production from around 9.3, 9.4 to almost 10 million barrels. when libya's production came back into the game it automatically reduced its production. saudi arabia is playing a very stabilizing role in oil production. exactly as it's playing a political stabilizing role also in the arena. >> how dangerous is iran in terms of saudi arabia's future? >> the danger of iran goes beyond saudi arabia and middle eastern region. for iran to have nuclear weapons, something is very serious game. that's why saudi arabia is very concerned. exactly like all the other region in our area, we are very worried and concerned from having a bad deal. >> if iran gets nuclear weapons, if they're allowed to develop nuclear weapons, should saudi arabia develop nuclear weapons? >> well, i think the official position of the united states, especially president obama, is

that iran will not have nuclear weapons. so i think we'll keep it at that stage at this stage. >> okay. prince, you've told us during the break that you're an investor in twitter now. >> yeah. >> and twitter was were in an i twitter. it was organized about women driving where they received the driver's license and they were not stopped or arrested this time which in saudi arabia is progress. what do you see as the regime's response to these kinds of protests going forward? >> it is very clear that the government's reaction to the women driving was subdued and accepting this completely. this issue will be soon and this

major change has been requested by the society, especially by women. >> i like that. >> so as we move forward in saudi arabia and the united states, what should the soudy government think the state should do to improve relations. what is the biggest concern? >> the biggest thing we have is we need cohesive, coherent policy for the mideast. for example, when president obama draws the red line where by the red line is crossed. bluntly and openly. then he blinks on that and gives putin the chance to go back from the main entrance, that's scary

and dangerous. >> what do you mean. when the line was crossed, the president took an action and in that process, syria backed down and we now have dramatic progress in syria on chemical weapons including the disruption moving towards the disruption of the capability. >> it's the strongest thing for a long time to come. there is an unsigned contract to get the chemical weapons. they had this and they were not continuing in that part of giving up the chemical weapons. that's the side of it. that's where the confusion comes up. >> just a question about the role of women in saudi arabia. the efforts to give them more

opportunities. how many women work for your company? >> in my particular case, we have a word that used to be used in the 60s. women represent 60% of the workforce in my company. we have seen right now saudi arabia is changing. surely we are beginning to be ink0er7 rated in the society and the workforce. >> and you support that? >> i very much support that. the economic growth, there is no way there is a doubt about that. >> thank you so much. very nice to meet you. very nice to have you. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ you get your coffee here.

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>> good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast and 5:00 on the west coast. back with us on set, we have mike, robert gibbs and in washington, we will start in the midwest. emergency crews are doing all they can to help after a series of deadly storms swept through a huge portion of the midwest. at this hour, the death toll stands at six.

dozens more injured and they say the death toll may rise. no town was hit harder than washington, illinois where the path of destruction was devastated. >> the people in that video were all right in the end. jay gray joins us from there this morning. jay? >> good morning, mika. this tragedy is still unfolding. we are on the edge of sunrise and as the sun comes up, it is shining a light on so many communities. neighborhoods ripped apart like this one. all here in central illinois. this is a storm system that affected at least violent storms. 40 tornados that ripped across

the central part of the country. dozens injured and hundreds of thousands without power. today again as the sun is coming up, they will begin the assessment process in earnest. the teams are already on the ground. local and state teams as well across the region. we know the president is getting updates on continuing the white house. this is a situation where families have been forced into shelters or in with family and friends. they will have to find a place to stay for a long time. this is a recovery effort that will take the time and will be difficult. especially with the temperature dropping here. that's going to make it even tougher. today what we expect is a lot of family coming back in the neighborhood, searching for any piece of their lives they might be able to salvage. that's going to be difficult as well. that is the latest here in

washington, illinois. i'm jay gray. back to you. >> thanks very much. >> i guess the headlines over the weekend was that the president and his team are suggesting that there going to be changes in the white house. this roll out was a failure it sounds like we are going to look at a new leader in the administration in the coming years. >> one of the things is through this confidence in leadership after the roll out, to make some sort of change in those that were responsible for the roll out. i don't think there is any doubt that in order to give people confidence, they have to make changes at hhs. >> the people are going to get fired. i don't know how you do it any other way. i don't know how you allow this status quo to let the president down and let his supporters and

the country down. >> the only question is when. why haven't they done it yet. i don't know the answer to that. i assume you are not going to fire people wholesale a couple of weeks ago. that adds to the turmoil. the date is creeping up on us at the end of the month. >> you have seen this unfold, especially the problems with syria and the problems with nsa and all these other things that the president was supposedly kept in the dark and this train wreck. let's be blunt. the president himself is suggesting people are going to get fired for the mismanagement. >> certainly that's the sense we are getting. it's more than just what is happening with health care. this is something that started earlier when huh the revelations on the irs and the justice department and my organization and it continued throughout the summer and into the fall with

syria and the botched plans to dominate larry summers. there is a sense that things are not going very well. what i think was strike being the news conference last week, he said that there have been occasions over the past year where he felt like the white house got slapped around unfairly and now even he has to admit that the criticism is p t completely warranted. >> let me ask you about president obama's style as someone who has been in the room with him in crisis. over the past room, is he yelling at them demanding answers or how does he handle it? >> i heard and others have heart not long after the roll out began, having people come over and as the president said in the news conference, if things were going to be bad y did we go out and say this thing is going to be great and the website is

going to work and it will be like travelocity or some highly functional website where you can make a lot of choices. >> do you believe so that he didn't know beforehand? if so what a failing by the staff. >> that's what i was thinking. >> i think this is the signature initiative. if there is something not working, there is not exactly a big rush to get into the oval office and tell the boss. i think this is probably true of any almost business or bureaucracy. things are not well. things are going to get botched. my sense is it took a while. >> here's where we stand when it comes to obama care. the best case scenario may not be good enough. the internal goal is to have i an 80% success rate by the end of this month. that means they only expect out of five people to be able to enroll through the website.

while there proposals in both chambers of congress to amend obama care, nancy pelosi said democrats are united behind the law. >> i don't think you can tell what will happen next year. democrats have support of the affordable care act. this issue has to be dealt with. it doesn't mean it's a political issue so we will run away from it. it's too valuable for the american people. what is important is that the american people are well-served and not who gets reelected. >> the impact of the roll out on the white house sparked debate. whether or not it compared to the response to hurricane katrina. >> the qualitative difference and people trying to get health care and not able to get it. it is from a political standpoint early similar to president bush in the fall of 2005. early similar. >> i disagree. i think iraq was going on.

it's hard to have perspective. where can we be in four or five months. people are enrolling for health care. the story can change and once the website gets fixed, next year's election, the republican platform will be getting rid of health care. millions of people will be signed up in a possibility. >> meanwhile in washington, the insurance commissioner has been dismissed from his job after he publicly criticized president obama. >> a day after. >> allowing canceled policies under cuts the purpose of exchanging including the health link by creating exceptions that make it more difficult for them to operate. >> the next day? >> show him. >> that means without health care. >> tell him the truth. you got this race in louisiana? >> new congressman.

i am happy to move on. >> this is special stuff. >> it is. >> it's just a little battle. kind of like the follow-up to what happened on the alabama one. you had a business person who was winning. >> there is always hope. a republican who took down the front-runner by emphasizing a populous and pragmatic approach to government. he said it's not based solely on ideology. the political newcomer easily beat the state senator in saturday's run off for the fifth congressional district and backed by tea party groups and the establishment including erik kantor opposed efforts unless spending cuts were also included. both candidates opposed obama care, he was more interested in fixing the law while his

opponent was focused on repealing it. it didn't hurt that he picked up the endorsement from the hit reality show duck dynasty which is filmed in the district. are you serious? who is that guy? >> that goes to ronald reagan. >> this is eric kanter. >> democrats shouldn't look at this and say there is a big difference between these two guys and this guy that won is going to be moderate. all he said was we are not going to shut down the government. we are going to amend obama care and make it work for the people of this district instead of blowing up the government. a very conservative louisiana district, people said we prefer that to the nonsense we have

been with standing. >> it will be interesting to see the wave of pragmatism in the primaries. conservative pragmatism. >> those are the primaries that probably cost republicans five senate seats in the last two election cycles, nominating somebody to places like missouri who couldn't get elected. what's most important as we mention the website being fixed or mostly fixed, from december 1st to december 15th, you are likely to see people covering plans. you have to be enrolled by december 15th. it's so important that even if it's only 80% get the website as functional as possible. >> you know how it is for a guy to say something other than what his opponent was saying. we will a polish obama care and do everything that needs to be done. that's a primary message.

he had the guts to say no, no. listen. we can't shut down the government. i don't like obama care. we will have to amend this to make it better. saying what happened with alabama one. these are house races in the districts that we talked about all the time. >> there other elements. the winner of this primary came from outside the system. he ran against the guy in the system. the state senator in the legislature. you will see a lot of people outside the system coming in and let's make something work. let's get something done. the other element may play the part in this, i don't know. if you talk to people about whatever you want to call it, the aca and obama care, you talk to people in hospitals or around hospitals and you ask them how is the system working for you

right now, no, we need something that works. we do not want to give our health policies our lives to insurance companies. we need the system fixed. >> talking about the outsider, they made a point of saying i never set foot in washington. >> that's a winning message. >> that's huge. >> he put a lot of his own money into the race, but he said nice things about obama care and his opponent crushed him and they were watching it grow. >> let's talk about 2016 speculation, shall we? this is kind of interesting. governor scott walker whose name has been mentioned as a possible contender would make an ideal candidate for the republican party. >> he has to be an outsider and both the presidential nomination could be a former or current governor. people who have done successful things and taken on big reforms

and ready to move america forward. that rules out marco rubio and ted cruz. all the guys that are exceptionally removed from washington. your criteria like paul ryan. >> i love paul ryan. if he had a fan club, i would be the president. >> sounds like -- >> hold on. >> the interviews last week, i can't remember. >> i know exactly what they are talking about. do you remember? >> i was there. >> i was asked and i said you know what, it's got to be somebody who didn't just get elect elected. you won't like this. we learned from barack obama that you don't want a guy who gets elected to senate and hangs out for a couple of years.

that's an absolute disaster. either from the outside -- what i'm saying is i'm thinking about marco rubio. i immediately thought i just ruled out marco and ted and rand paul and the other 78 people who said he could be president of the united states. you don't want somebody who just got up to washington with the senator who doesn't have experience or running things in the private sector. now i will let you. >> i think that's probably true. it has less to do with the amount of time you spend in washington. the congressman from louisiana to prove that you have anything to do with washington. if you have been there ten minutes or ten years, people are going to see washington as part of the problem. i think governors have a leg up.

when he mentions paul ryan, he said i would be the president of his fan club and he thought wow. >> you could be the president's fan club. if you believed that being a governor or running a business is preferable to being in the house or the senate. >> at the rate we are going, we have the dissatisfaction for washington, didn't it seem like scott walker was describing scott walker? i wonder how that impacts the democrats. >> i think you will hear the word outsider pretty consistently and anybody who has anything to do with washington whether it's by health care or the budget battles. hillary clinton will fis the criticism over benghazi. when you talk to voters, there is this real sense that they want people who can get things done. this is what we were talking about after chris christie's

reelection. he just exudes this sense that he is going to get things done. you will hear christie, scott walker, bobby jindal even more as outsiders. we know these guys are close to folks in washington and not real political novices, but anything that shows you are from outside the beltway will be beneficial. >> coming up on "morning joe," checking in with mike allen and the u.s. postal service lot of $5 billion this year and that's an improvement. >> the numbers represent excellent results. also remember this marlboro man? he's reportedly sick. they are very similar devices, but this is a good example of addiction. first bill has a check on the

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time to look at the morning papers. on wednesday, the president and first lady will be joined by

former president clinton and hillary clinton as a replaying ceremony. jfk's gravesite at arlington national cemetery. it's a plan to honor the 50th anniversary of his assassination. >> europe's most act volcano sends smoke into the skies in sicily. it is closing over the volcano. none of the villages around the base were affected and nobody needed to evacuate. the last major eruption was in 1992. >> airline companies in the middle east are lining up to buy bowings's new 777 x jet. the airline said the new engine will save 12% on fuel costs. boeing is considering several locations for production after union workers in washington state rejected their proposal.

>> afraid of papers, "the chicago tribune" and the postal service is reporting that $5 billion loss is down from the $16 billion from last year. the agent said it the result in reducing the hours and gross in the dippings. they said it is in need of legislative pushes to help further cost cutting measure like eliminating saturday clifry. >> "san francisco chronicle." amtrak lot of millions on food and beverages. almost all of the 2012 food service losses came from serving meals on long distance trains. on one route alone, amtrak lot of $428,000 in complimentary wine and teas. in total, amtrak lot of nearly $1 billion in food service. >> give them the bag of

pretzels. nearly three million job for women recovered the positions they lot of in the economic downturn and now they account for 67.5 million jobs in the workforce today. men haven't fared as well. they have $69 million jobs. >> the women are still paid less and working harder. let's go to the new york post. there is an update on the same. >> willie is the news man who had the guts to bring this tyke into all of america's hearts. it was one of the great -- kind of like milton burle. >> i would consider that child abuse. >> i would consider that. willie brought this in a classic you can't use thing. >> here we are doing it as if it is news. he was 2 at the time and he was being abused this way and ticked the habit of 40 cigarettes a

day. now he is addicted to junk food. similar addiction actually. cigarettes and junk food. a 5-year-old who weighs 56 pounds and mainly junk foot and milk. the average weight offa i 5-year-old is 40 pounds. >> when you are packing on the muscle like that, what are you going to have? kale? no. >> i don't need credit for bringing this. it's not true. >> oh, god. this is all fixed. let's do politico. >> mike allen has a look at the playbook. good morning. >> we are talking about liz cheney and the cheney family. wow. trying to convince conservatives it's time for a change and said it's not enough that mike enzi voted against obama care and

received high marks from the american conservative union, right to and the nra. >> it's not about age. it's about he has been here for 18 years and the last five under barack obama. the people in wyoming are suffering greatly. we are ground zefor the president's policy. i am going to continue business as usual here in washington. you have to demonstrate results. it's the take on our side of the aisle. people who are willing to lead and stand up and say you know what, the president's war is not going to devastate wyoming and requires leadership and mobilizing people to stand up against this onslaught of constitutional and liberty and values and over the last five years, things have gotten worse and not better. >> we will talk about the public fight with her sister in a moment. let's talk about liz cheney. is she making up ground on mike enzy? >> there was one poll that came

out behind mike enzi that showed like 60 points for the incumbent. a sign of a tone of what's going on out there. putting out the poll and that was also the same company that put out statements and the company that showed ted behind by 50 points. nobody know where is the state is. the small population. we have been saying here on "morning joe" that liz cheney could win. she will probably have more money. we talked about it here on "morning joe." it's very personal and very nasty between someone who is two families in that state. >> let's talk about the fight with her sister mary cheney and her wife, peheather poe. my sister and i disagree on gay marriage. i'm not for gay marriage despite the fact that my sister is

married. mary fired back writing liz, this is not an issue by which we disagree. this is wrong and on the wrong side of history. her wife is saying liz cheney support us at our wedding and said she is happy and proud and now she is turning on us for political reasons. >> this is the faamly feud edition and the head of poe went on to take a shot at liz cheney for moving from northern virginia when she worked here in washington to jackson hole, wyoming. as liz cheney moves from state to state, she may not like it if the different flaws about her family are there. this has been a personal issue between before this exchange. liz cheney is going for the conservative vote. this is the first time they are there publicly.

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they are definitely not. don't go on twitter. what are you thinking? joining us now, it's awful there. >> mika is obsessed. >> i did go on twitter. i tweeted a couple of things. i said i was going to be here. >> that's nice. former u.s. senator from pennsylvania and 2012 presidential candidate rick santorum. he is also the ceo of echo light studios. he said i'm in the movie business now. the christmas candle out this friday. we will get to that in a moment. >> just absolutely great. >> i love max. he's a beautiful writer. >> let's talk about your family. you have kids in college. you have kids in high school. i have kids. lots of kids. not as many as barnacle, but you have kids. i'm close to you.

between all three of us here, we can have a school. all of our kids. 55, 60 kids. let's talk about them. we were talking about the sport. how is she doing? >> she's 5 1/2 and doing great. it's been amazing. irrespective of political strife, you get this and they look at you like they know you and they are not quite sure. i say i'm rick santorum and the first thing they say is how is your daughter, bella. they know her name. they don't know my name. i remember right after the campaign, i was at the white house correspondent's dinner. people from every strife coming up and saying i want to tell you how much we just followed you and your daughter and what you did during the campaign. you opened up a whole different side of the debate a.

>> she has a condition that is incompatible with life. we were told when she was born that she would live a few days or weeks or maybe a few months. 99% that's what happens. we have been blessed. she is a miracle and requires 24-hour care, but it's the most wonderful care. she is the most wonderful, loving, joyful little girl. the reason she is alive is her mom is the biggest mama bear of all time. she protects this little girl. she lives a wonderful joyful life. she is the center of our family and she is happy and healthy. she can't do a lot, but she can love and that's all we want. >> she is 5 1/2? >> she is 5 1/2 and she's the best. we are blessed. >> congratulations on continued

success. christmas candle. talk about it. >> it is set in victorian england. if you love that. >> we blocked pbs in our home. >> it is good. you can get the dvd. >> all that learning stuff. they freak me out. >> this looks so pretty. >> it is beautiful. the cinematographer did all the harry potter films. they played in collapse of the titans and played in les mis. she was in america yesterday and sang at a church in houston and the song from this movie called miracle hymn is on the cd. it's a great movie. >> let's take a look and tell us more. >> i think you should stay. just until christmas. people need hope and you can give it to them. >> you want to help these people, don't you?

>> of course i do. >> i know just the person to give the candle to this year. >> what's happening? >> a miracle is happening. >> there will be christmas after all. >> the story is sort of a mix between it's a wonderful and a christmas carol. it is set in victorian england and hard times. it's two people struggling with faith. the pastor who lot of his faith because of personal tragedy and the young girl is not a believer. she is frustrated with her in this little town. the rest of the town is full of joy about this miracle that happens every 25 years. an angel comes and blesses a candle. electricity is coming and cars are coming. it's a thing of the past with the modern time and the simple

people. this progressive minster. the interesting twist is the minster realizes the people who believe and are wonderful, but they don't necessarily help their neighbors. it's an interesting twist of yes, you believe. it requires to you do something. >> faith without words. >> it's a nice little struggle about that. it's just a beautiful film. it's an uplifting and inspiring good story. >> what path did you take to go from brutal business into another brutal business. >> hollywood is worse. my good neness. it is really tough. we don't get along politically, but generally speaking when you deal with someone, trust is all that really matters in this game. if you don't have trust in politics, you can't get anything done. that's part of the break down is nobody trusts anyone because no one is being honest. that is the fundamental break

down here. the pitch men in hollywood blow me away. the idea that people come to you and you what's real. you have to cut through about 90% of it. that's interesting. it has been an interesting time. i got a blessing. i got something that is the most highly priced thing in america. fame. i want to look at what can i do with this fame that can help my country and serve the god who blessed me with it. eventually this is films that deal with faith. hollywood does a lot of inspirational things. they don't do faith very well. if we can do a high quality production to talk about the role of faith, good and bad in people's lives that you can really maybe move the needle and have a good discussion.

>> and there is a hunger for it. a reason why mel gibson finances his own film. my gosh. >> his quality. >> it's going to be quality. >> we haven't had a lot of quality in the faith space. this is a beautiful movie. i'm telling you, everybody who goes to the movie, you will walk away saying i am glad i went during christmastime. it will help you during the christmas season. >> i need to watch it and take my kids. that will be great. >> pg rated by the way. >> i'm good here. >> i don't mean you. >> i'm good with this. >> i mean the good fathers. good fathers. >> me about your party and how they will get -- is it a time of opportunity or depressing? >> right now it was depressing for a long time. we had a circular fire going on in washington. it was just painful to watch.

both camps trying to do the right things and ending up simply shooting each other. so we have an opportunity now because we have the president's plan being implemented. here's the frustrating part. everybody anyhow this was not going to work. i heard from insurance companies who said they are putting this websiting to and it's not tested and it's going to fail and they are pushing it forward. to know that going into october 1 and have it be just a fight between republicans instead of focusing on what was going to clearly be a problem which is not a smart thing to do. >> because of that circular firing squad in washington, it elected terry auliffe. >> i live in virginia and ken could not get our message. >> because of the government shut down. it's insanity. do you agree with me that we have to do what we did in the 90s?

not to be old men talking about this. it's not enough to oppose the president's health care plan. we have to do what we did when heritage was churning out ideas in the 80s and 90s. we have to come up with an alternative. americans want a safety net. we can scream and wail all we want. they want a safety net. is it better for us to work to make sure that safety net represents our views and our values more than the other side? >> saying no is not enough. it's not enough. there plenty of good ideas out there and plans that have been implemented. ideas that i will go back to john mccain. john mccain had a health care plan in 2008. you say that's reasonable. everybody gets help from the government and a voucher or tax credit to help. the idea that we are not going to have some level of government support for those who have trouble getting insurance who are lower income is a non-starter. we have to do something.

it has to be private and leave the choices in the hands of the consumer instead of having a government system that is tough now. >> as long as we say no, we don't shake the debate. it's black or white. >> you can't beat something with nothing. it's the age-old thing. i want to put you quickly on the spot. would you trade the sweeping cinema t sweepingtography of film for the landscape? >> i love what i'm doing right now. people ask me why. the first answer is because i have three kids in college and i have to learn a living. i'm not like some people who don't have to work. i do. i love what i'm doing and i see this as a fulfillment of a dream to have an impact on the culture. i was in iowa last week. we had a great screening.

it's a great movie. so is sioux city and cedar rapids. >> columbia, south carolina. >> how did the health care system help you deal with the cost of your daughter's health care and what could be improved upon? >> the interesting thing, we have a differently story to tell. the health insurance system is very, very difficult. i can't argue that. when you are dealing with a high cost care and bella occasionally is costly. it's a hassell. i understand people's frustration. these insurance companies, we are dealing with one who is giving us a run around on four months for something that is clearly approved in the plan and they won't give us the answer. we are having to front that cost. the insurance companies don't do themselves a favor when they have these cases where they are not just following what the rules of their policies are. i understand why folks say maybe the government can step in.

the insurance companies have to do a better job. the bigger problem for us is with girls like bella, the medical community is not anxious to treat these kids. they are not supposed to live. we went through a period of time when she was young having to fight to get treatment. look, i'm a former senator and my wife is a nurse. we knew what we could fight for. we have a lot of folks who don't know the medical community and they get pushed around. one of the reasons a lot of these kids don't survive is because they are not able to fight for them and get the care they need. >> the movie is the christmas candle and will be in theaters this friday. rick santorum, thank you very much. good to have you on. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." ♪

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