these people that are getting cancellation notices are not allowed to get insurance and that simply is not the case, sir. there may be a technical problem right now, but there's not a law that says they can't do it. >> the president allowed them to be extended and my state insurance commissioner is allowing them be extended which is what this law did or this bill did. we need to keep the legislative process alive. i believe we will have to extend the deadline or people are going to go bare on january 21st. >> okay. i appreciate the conversation. thanks for coming on tonight talking about this. thanks so much. that's "the ed show." i'm ed shultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, finally a republican plan for health care. after years of attacking, the gop finally has a plan. take it away senator ayotte.

>> what is a viable alternative that really solves the problem? >> well, i would say let's get to the table on a bipartisan basis and make sure we have a plan that has more choice, not less. >> wow. how's that for a concrete alternative? senator ayotte's plan also giving every american free puppies when they visit the doctor. and did i mention it also includes world peace. and anything else you can make up. folks, let's get real. the gop doesn't have a health care plan. they have nothing. so they just attack. today the political arm of former senator jim demint's heritage foundation tweeted out this picture with the quote, senators ted cruz and mike lee were correct to make a finalstand against the law. and it's really the president

and his policies that are terrorizing the country. terrorizing the country? since when is helping americans afford health care equal to terrorism? and that comes from a -- as former bush officials keep comparing the health care law to hurricane katrina. yes, comparing it to one of the biggest disasters in american history. but another bush adviser went there this weekend. >> is it a political katrina? >> well, first of all, i know there's a qualitative difference. there were people dying in new orleans. but it is from a political standpoint, it's eerily similar to president bush in the fall of 2005. >> that comparison makes a mockery of the nearly 1,900 people who died during katrina.

this is a law that can and will work if republicans stop rooting for failure. three governors who embrace the law tell the washington post, quote, in our states, elected leaders have decided to put people not politics first. in states like theirs, nearly 400,000 people now have coverages thanks to medicaid expansion. and in kentucky the law will create 17,000 jobs. in washington it saved the state $300 million. and in connecticut the health care exchange there in connecticut has a 96% customer satisfaction rate. so no, jim demint, it's not terrorism, and no bushes, it's not katrina. and no, senator ayotte, your joke of a plan is no plan at all.

here is the plan. we have a health care law and it's already working. right now. joining me now congressman emanuel cleaver and salon's joan walsh. thank you both for coming on tonight. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> congressman, let me go to you first. what do you make of all of this? >> i think it's silly to talk about something that costs american lives and a program that was approved by congress, upheld by the supreme court designed to provide health insurance for all americans. i think many of my colleagues on the other side are actually hoping for rain instead of sunshine. because they fear the sunshine because it will give people insurance and they think it will

be political arepercussions tha will hurt them. >> joan, you know, repeatedly the gop said our health system is just fine. the way it is is just fine. >> best in the world. >> in fact, senator john barossa repeated that this weekend. >> it's time to start over. this health care law is terribly flawed. it is broken. this is not what the american people wanted. the president did not need to destroy a good health care system to try to make a better one. but that's what we have now. >> a good health care system. the status quo is a disaster. i mean, the average hospital stay in the united states is $21,000. in france, it just costs over $8,000. and it's not like care is faster here. the u.s. is second only to canada in the number of adults

who report difficulty in getting a next-day appointment when they're sick. but he says it's a fine system we have. >> apparently it works well for rich people and it has worked well for insurance company shareholders. and it doesn't work as well for other people. and people find when they need it that their insurance plan is not as good as they thought. and you know, it's so brazen for these republicans to suddenly care about people and people's health care plans when they didn't care about the 40 million that didn't have insurance. that could have medicaid. except they live in states with republican governors. they only care about this relatively tiny subset of people. we don't even know if a lot of these scare stories are actually people who can't get through -- don't know what they're eligible for, have been misled by insurance companies. there will be people that are

unhappy. a few will pay more. there are a handful of them compared to those helps. >> you know the gop is using the rollout problems to attack the president for being dishonest. listen to this. >> there are only two explanatio explanations. either they're being honest or they're incompetent. frankly, i don't know which is the worst. >> it turns out that was a lie. and he repeated it over and over and over again. >> it should have been done but it wasn't. the real problem the president has is a broken promise. his dishonesty. >> now, these are the gop's messengers, congressman? i mean, dick cheney and paul ryan lecturing the president on honesty, really? >> and at the worst, the president misspoke and maybe made a mistake in speaking.

but it was not to mislead. now, i think the other part of this that is extremely important is that i think in the absence of an agenda, this is the gop agenda for the next year. and so in the absence of an agenda, they're going to concentrate on trying to dismantle something that will help the american public. keep in mind, i hope all the viewers understand this. that health care was one of the chief causes for bankruptcy in this country. and they're talking about this was something good that the president has destroyed? that's ridiculous. we can fix this. as the great theologian said, we've seen the enemy and it is us, it is the congress for failure to fix something that can be repaired rather easily i think. keep in mind, medicare when it was rolled out also had problems. but the democrats did not go out and try to destroy it. >> now, you know, joan, i want

to raise something interesting. in a special election in louisiana, republican vance mccallister backed medicaid expansion and won by 20 points. yes, i did say a republican. at a time when most republicans are using every chance they can and every chance they get to assail the federal health care plan, mcallister embraced one of the core components. the expansion of medicaid, the program that provides health care to low-income americans. and he won by 20 points. >> right. and i think you're going to see more republican governors going in that direction. i don't think this is a winning issue for them. even governor rick scott reversed himself, said he supports medicaid expansion. the legislature won't let him do it, but at least he's paying lip service to it. this is not a winner for them. as you said before, reverend al, medicaid expansion creates jobs in these states.

so it's a crazy decision that's only made because they want to punish poor people for being poor and they don't want to help people. politically it's going to backfire in the end. >> thank you both for your time this evening. >> thank you. coming up, breaking news out of florida tonight. george zimmerman is behind bars in a florida prison. held without bail and charged with assault, aggravated assault on his girlfriend. >> she alleged that he had broken a table and at one point pointed a long barrelled shotgun at her. >> plus the gop family feud erup erupts. we've got dick cheney, karl rove, sarah palin, and the koch brothers. and caught on tape, why is a police officer shooting at a car full of kids? and i had the honor of being

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that's right. it's time to play the feud. on tonight's show it's the cheneys versus the cheneys. yes. dick cheney's daughter liz who's

running for senator in wooim and running against same-sex marriage even though her sister's married to a woman. it caused a private fight that's spilling into the public. >> you talk about your position against same-sex marriage. your sister is married to a woman put out this post. it for the record i love my sister. you. >> i love mary very much. this is just an issue we disagree. >> but her sister wasn't having it. after that interview, mary ch cheney posted on facebook, liz, this isn't just an issue on which we disagree. you're just wrong and on the wrong side of history. but this show isn't just about one family. the entire party is feuding over the future of the gop. today we learned karl rove is

taking on the tea party. american cross roads is swearing off unluktable candidates. guess rove hasn't forgotten todd legitimate rape aikin. but the billionaire right wing koch brothers are moving full steam ahead. their group americans for prosperity spent a record $122 million in the 2012 election. a spokesman says when we see opportunities to engage on our issues, we go all in. you can expect that to continue. but it's not just a clash of the big money guys. sarah palin spent the last week ripping anti-choice, anti-gay marriage, and anti-gun control chris christie for not being conservative enough. so what's going on inside the gop? i'm going to say chaos. can i get a round of applause

for chaos? survey says, chaos. chaos is correct. and this is one family feud that isn't ending any time soon. joining me now are cynthia tucker and krystal ball. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> cynthia, do you agree the feud between the cheney sisters is part of a bigger republican sic civil war? >> well, of course it is. let me first say i have sisters and i'm sad to see two sisters publicly fighting this way when they've been close before. but let me also say i don't blame mary cheney at all for going public with her hurt and her disagreement. because, you know, reverend al, gay republicans for years have stayed hidden in the closet, as it were. given their resources, their money, their votes to the party

while big wigs went out and pandered to the bigots and homophobes. and people like mary cheney have just said it's enough. i'm not going to take this anymore. and i don't blame her. >> you know, krystal, we're seeing reluctance from even conservative doe donors. down 60% from this point compared in 2011. are conservative groups holding back because of the government shutdown, in your opinion? >> i think they're holding back because of the government shutdown, because they don't think they have a caucus that would be willing to govern even if they were in the majority. i think they're holding back because a lot of the big donors in the republican party have been business republicans. so people o who have been successful in the business world. and in the business world you want to have the best talent.

you want to have an open policy so you can attract the best talent. this was a problem for ken cuccinelli in virginia. he had businessmen who were gop donors who supported bob macdonald the previous governor who sat on the side because they caught koouch n-- cuccinelli wa too extreme. >> cynthia, you know, some republicans realize there's a problem. for example, told "the huffington post," quote, the hard truth is the gop coalition constitutes a shrinking portion of the electorate. to change that daunting reality, republicans must appeal to groups that are currently outside their ranks or risk becoming a permanent minority. a shrinking portion of the

electorate. but how are they doing anything to try to change that, cynthia? >> well, they can't get the right wingers in the base to accept change or the right wingers in congress for that matter. to accept change. you know, they've been talking about this ever since they had this big autopsy after november 2012. many of them were surprised that mitt romney lost. they went -- they did this big autopsy, you know, the big wigs said we need to reach out to appeal to more voters of color. we need to appeal to women. we have turned off latinos. we need to appeal to them. we need to stop being so right wing on gay marriage. but there are too many right wingers in the republican party who don't want a big tent. the idea of a big tent scares them. they want -- they believe the party is losing because they're not right wing enough. >> and they won't change. it's like they don't want to

change, cynthia. they're inflexible. and it's been getting uglier and uglier since the government shutdown. when you look at the fact that you have sarah palin out there and others making real live and in many ways ugly shots at other republicans. look at this. >> i fought against obama care before senator lee and senator cruz were in the united states senate. but when they shut down the government and harmed the lives of my citizens i'm supposed to be representing, then i resent it. >> we have to anticipate ted cruz is going to try to do this again. cruz and 30 or 40 people in the house. we have go after him by name. >> we need moderates like chris christie who can win in our party. >> that's because it's been extreme. okay? so it's hard to -- it's hard for some people not to comment on it. >> now, here you have sarah

palin calling chris christie's appearance extreme. i mean, how ugly is this feuding going to get? >> it's nasty. i mean, that's really below the belt and not where the party should be focused at all. they have much larger problems than focusing on someone's appearance. people who want the move the republican party in a mod moderate direction, they can't do it because they have used the fringe of their party. they've used the religious right. they've used the extremists. they've used the tea party to get into power. now they're in power they can't just turn around and say we were just kidding about that stuff that we fed you for years. so they're having trouble making that turn. it's created a huge conflict within the party. >> you know, when -- cynthia, i want to go back to you for a minute with the sisters before

we have to go. this whole fight with the cheney sisters, it shows a real playing to the division in the party. one of the things her sister has raised to reporters is that my sister's running now for senator in wyoming, so she's taking these positions, but she embraced me and my mate. and came to the wedding and told us she loved us. now she's going out of her way to attack our marriage. this kind of thing is really exposing the kind of internal contradictions they're having on the inside of the party. >> but they've been doing this for decades, reverend al. many -- there are many republican leaders who know better than to pander to racists. who know better than to pander to homophobes. but that brings out a center base of the voters, so they do

it over and over again. i don't have any reason to believe liz cheney is really honestly against gay marriage. because she never said anything about it before. all those years her father stood up and said he had no problem with gay marriage. liz could have come out then and said, oh, but i disagree. she didn't. but now she thinks she needs to run to the right of mike enzi, she is ready to sacrifice her relationship with her sister to do that. >> that's sad. thank you both for your time. >> thanks. >> good to be here. coming up, much, much more on the breaking news out of florida. george zimmerman charged with aggravated assault by florida police today. ♪ love...

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zimmerman were having a verbal dispute. and at that point she alleged he had broken a table and at one point pointed a long barrel shotgun at her. she was able to work her way to the front door of the residence on her cell phone and called 911 to make contact with authorities. >> police arrived at his girlfriend's house following a frantic 911 call. >> what's going on? >> he's in my housebreaking all my [ bleep ] because i asked him to leave. he has a freaking gun breaking all of my stuff right now. no this is not. i'm doing this again? you just broke my glass table, sunglasses when awe you put your gun in my freaking face and told me to get the [ bleep ] out. this is not your house. get out of here. >> where's his weapon at? >> he just put it down. >> okay. and this is -- >> no, get out of my house.

do not push me out of my house. >> zimmerman will be arraigned tomorrow afternoon. joining me now msnbc news legal analyst lisa bloom and prosecutor bill henderson. thanks for being here. >> lisa, what do you make of this arrest? >> by my account, this is the third woman who's accused zimmerman of domestic violence. of course the worst thing he did was take the life of an unarmed 17-year-old boy. but even putting that asides for a moment, in 2005 we know his then-fiance moved for a restraining order against him that was granted. we know just in september, shellie zimmerman who was his estranged wife at the time made similar allegations. he was threatening her with a gun. those charges were not pursued. i hope there is an investigation today and these charges if they

are true are pursued by this young woman. we can't have this over and over again. george zimmerman accused of threatening people with guns. we see how deadly that can turn out. >> now, when you look at the whole facts here, you're looking at the fact that police are saying that if, in fact, he's released on bail, they're lo looking to place him on an electric monitoring device. listen to this, paul. >> we have requested that if he is released and is given a bond, in addition to the normal sanctions of release, we would like the judge to impose electronic monitoring which we call impact. and this is a extra step that we ask for in every domestic violence case here in seminole county. >> now, when you look at this, paul, and you see that in 2005

his ex-fiance filed a restraining order alleging domestic violence, we should note that zimmerman counterfiled. this year he was detained in a domestic incident involving his estranged wife shellie. and now today's arrest. there seems to be a pattern here, paul. >> there does. and this is why the police are using the impact program. because they want that extra bit of protection to make sure they are monitor and know when someone has been accused what's going on with their relationship, is he trying to go back and contact any o v the people that she's had these fights with. you know, the real concern here in, nutrition to tin addition t and the comments on the tape. i guarantee you'll hear the comments in the future against him. but the real concern is how he responds when he is stressed. or how he responds to people when he is frustrated and angry at them.

and we see, again, that his first choice is to reach for a weapon and point it at someone. and we know his history here. it goes well beyond the moral implications of that behavior. right now we're facing criminal behavior and criminal charges. i'm curious to see what that is going to look like tomorrow. what the court is going to tell him. and what prosecutors are going to argue about bail and what they're going to say about having him released at all. this is really -- you can't get much more dangerous than pointing a weapon at someone in the middle of a domestic violence dispute and knowing what his history has been and using guns in the past, this a has been a big concern. >> it would be huge knowing that someone's pointing a gun at you that had, in fact, killed somebody. even though he was found not guilty about it. the jury was no doubt he had used a gun and used it that led to someone's death.

then you see, lisa, that a couple of weeks after he was acquitted, he received a warning on a speeding ticket in texas where he was carrying a gun. on september 3rd he received a speeding ticket in florida. on september 9th he was detained after a domestic incident. now today he was arrested. i mean, can he really, if convicted on this, serve real time in jail? is this serious enough for jail time, lisa? >> well, thus far he's been the teflon defendant. he's escaped all charges brought against him in the past. eventually he's going to catch up with himself. is there anybody who thinks it's safe for george zimmerman to be at loose even in his own home with guns? as many guns as he wants in his home, in his car, on his person, concealed. this is somebody who clearly has

anger management issues that were not addressed in 2005 when he went to class, but i can guarantee you he's going to come back tomorrow and say he was the victim. these charges are trumped up. she was coming after him. he wasn't pointing the gun at her. when we hear his side of it, it's always george zimmerman is the victim. that's what i'm expecting to hear next. >> paul, how would you counter that if, in fact, that's how he comes into his arraignment? >> well, first of all you've got the tapes. you hear her explaining and you get the excited utterances in. >> and it appears he was right there when she was talking to the dispatcher. >> absolutely. she's saying he's pointing the gun at her face. when the cops came, if the police saw the gun when they got there, it made it sound like she was accurate. that she was angry and upset and wants to testify. but for purposes of the bail

hearing, the courts have to evaluate and look at the charges as if they are true. that's not the time to hear all the defenses a defendant brings in. i'm curious to see what the court does tomorrow facing this evidence not just by what the woman said, but by the evidence the police protected. so that they'll say and talk about the gun that they may have confiscated from this incident. and to see what the judge does with that information in terms of qualifying if he allows zimmerman to be released. and if he does, what the terms and conditions are going to be. i got to tell you, this is not an individual i would want to continue to be able to have a weapon. given these circumstances and given his history. that's a real concern of mine. >> when you were talking, it brought back to mind shellie zimmerman. and what she said over the summer. shellie zimmerman was asked if george appeared to feel

invincible after the trial. here's her answer. >> in my opinion he feels more invincible. i just think he's making some reckless decisions. i have been married to a person for almost seven years, and i don't think i ever really knew him at all. >> will we hear that tape at a trial if this, in fact, goes to trial, lisa? >> probably not because that would be an out of court statement by shellie. they might get her into trial to say he threatened her in similar ways. and broken items. today we're hearing about a broken glass table. that's a big event in the middle of an argument to break a glass coffee table and break her glasses. also barricading himself in the home, what's that about? but i would expect him to say he was trying to defend himself from her coming back to attack him. i'm sure we'll hear something like that.

>> i'm going to have to leave it there. we'll probably be talking about it tomorrow after the arraign pmt thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. coming up, why are new mexico state police shooting at a car with five kids inside? it's raising a lot of questions today. but first, my interview with oprah. it was surprising even to me. that's next. and just give them the basics, you know. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. whether you're just starting your 401(k) or you are ready for retirement, we'll help you get there. her busy saturday

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last night on the o.w.n. network, oprah interviewed me. it was quite an experience. we talked about my book "the rejected stone," and as you'd expect from a sit-down with oprah, she got me to open up about personal experiences. some of which i've never talked about before on television. >> i wake up one morning, he gone. and not only is he gone, my older sister from his mother's first marriage -- >> how old was she? >> she was around 18. left with him and they had a child. and then they came and took my sister to live with them. >> we've all gone through things in life that we have to get past. and that was why i felt it was important to share those moments in the interview. joining me now is allison samuels senior writer for the

daily beast and author of "what would michelle do." she's also the author of the "newsweek" article the reinvention of the reverend al. you did this cover story a couple years ago and oprah and i talked. your cover story was a lot about what i was doing in terms of my civil rights career and media. but oprah made me get real personal about my father and his relationship with my stepsister and sister who was very young and who i love and we worked through our issues. my little brother who's an activist in his own right. and she even had me talk about my mother who since the cover story passed last march. i talked about how my mother scrubbed floors after my father

a brilliant businessman had left us. and my mother meant everything to me, because she actually went from scrubbing floors so i could preach on sunday because afs boy preacher. and talking about my mother i ended up doing what everybody does with oprah. let me show you this. >> i go every day five days a week to 30 rockefeller center. the big 30 rock. every day i think about going in there, i think my mother got on her knees. i can't just do that like somebody didn't believe in me. >> i get that. >> you owe because you received. and that's the way i feel. i was going to be the only brother to call to oprah and not cry. i blew that.

i blew that. all right, you win, oprah. >> it's luke 12 -- >> luke 18. when you know somebody love is when they don't have a guarantee. my mother -- >> that's amazing. say that again. >> when they invest in you and have no guarantee that they'll get a return on the investment. my mother got alzheimer's in 2002. when i spoke at the democratic convention that night and spoke about my mother raising me, i went to alabama to see her after. i asked my stepsister did she see me speak? yeah. what did she say when i spoke about her? they said he must have a great mother. she never realized my success.

>> what she'd done. >> but she believed it. >> take a break. >> and, you know, people know my activism in politics, but one of the things i want to deal with many the book and certainly oprah brought it out in the interview that aired last night, is the human side. all of us, we have things we need to get through in our lives. we have scars and wounds. i felt if i put mine out there, people would understand you can get by them and still make something. and do something redeeming to society. >> i think that was one of the important things about doing the cover story on you. that i think for so long you'd been only known as the man behind the brawling story.

there is so much more to you than that. this is a complex brilliant man that has a story to be heard. and nobody was talking about it. to me that cover story to me was a way to sort of talk about -- i felt for african-americans we're not able -- many times we're not given a chance to tell our complete stories. we're not able to get that history that is so full and complete. i feel now you've been given that chance. from the cover story to this show to this book. you're now able to give your complete history. and people are inspired by that. >> the other thing i think is important is you have to also look at yourself and say where did i feed into that? and when you do things that are just dramatic, i always was very sincere and believed in what i was doing. sometimes you give to antics and you give to sound bites and you get in the way of your own message. as i've grown, that's what i wanted to give in the book. you have tok big enough to say

wait a minute. i've got to not get in the way of my own issues. i cannot be so dramatic that i'm the issue rather than the issue. i put it this way when i put you can't be clowning when diehling with people's serious business. let me show you what i told oprah. >> you got to at some point start looking at stuff like that. i think the kind of stuff i do if you're representing people that lost their children, don't they deserve more than you clowning on what should be their issue? i mean, we can call it what you want. it's not that you don't believe in it, but you get out there and sometimes your vanity outruns your sanity. >> and i think that's what you learn. and you say, well, you want to say extreme things, want to be the hardest, most progressive guy. but you're playing to an

audience than effectively dealing. >> i think it's the media's job to look beyond that. and learn the true story. it is our job to sort of listen to those. and go and ask the serious questions to learn who you are. if we don't ask those questions, how do the answers actually come? we know there's more to every story than what's on the surface. i think today we just don't have those journalists out there digging deep. everything is superficial. everything is sort of the obvious, the vanity of it all. where are the journalists really asking and knocking on doors. you know what i mean? >> it's interesting you say that, allison, because people were stopping me today that had saw the oprah interview and said i never knew you were a preacher since a little boy. they said what was your motivation and you couldn't have been ambitious and opportunistic there. you've done this all your life. it doesn't excuse any time in my

life when i have given more drama than i should, but it puts in context i'm doing what i always did. i'm just trying to learn how to do better and encouraging others to do the same. >> i think it giving people a different look at your life. it gives people a different understanding of where you started and why you are the way you are. hear k that same conversation about you and wanting to alter it, wanting to exchange this is who the reverend sharpton is that i had conversations with that i thought was fascinating. i felt the mainstream audience didn't get that. >> the other thing i think is that we can't be one dimension. i notice when oprah paused when i said there's many different ways to be black. just like any other group. and this lack of values, i really am hard on how we have culturally accepted this

depravity and thuggism as that's where you -- that's real blackness. street life and calling women names and all that. and it's really unsettling to me. nobody fights harder than i do for everybody's rights. but you also have to have standards and values if you're going to be able to uphold and uplift a community. and as you know, many people didn't like me taking that position, but i don't apologize for that. >> that is part of your legacy. being a i believe to say this is what i believe in. i'm going to stand behind what i believe in. a lot of people criticized you for that, but you really have stood behind that. i think again that's part of your total story. and it has to be told every time the story of al sharpton is told. i think that's what your book does. >> allison, thank you for coming on tonight. allison samuels, thank you for your time tonight. and a programming note. my interview with oprah will

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