how much i hate you or last thanksgiving before we were talking and i was still being nice to your kids. looking forward to that in your elected officials? there's been no polling >> tonight we have new extraordinary 911 tapes to play for you which include the familiar 911 voice of george zimmerman who is in custody tonight charged with aggravated assault, battery, domestic violence and criminal mischief. this call was made this afternoon. >> what's going on? >> he's in my housebreaking all

of my [ bleep ] because i asked him to leave. he has his gun, breaking all of my stuff right now. this is not good. i'm doing this again? you just broke my glass table, you just broke my sunglasses and you put your gun in my face. this is not your house. get out of here. >> what is your name? where is his weapon at? >> he just put it down. >> get out of my house. do not push me out of my house. please get out of my house. >> calm down. >> are you serious right now? >> i'm sorry. >> [ bleep ] he just pushed me out of my house and locked me out. >> and then when police officers arrived on the scene, george

zimmerman decided to call 911 himself. >> what's going on there? >> my girlfriend has, for lack of a better word, gone crazy on me. >> your girlfriend? >> yes. >> okay, where is she now? >> outside with the police. >> the police is already there and so why are you calling? what happened? >> i just want everyone to know the truth. >> okay. >> the officers can speak with you on scene. have you already spoken with them? >> no. they are pretty upset, i think. >> the officers are upset? >> yeah, they are banging on the door and the window. >> are you going to be able to speak with them? >> i don't have anything to say. >> okay. hold on one moment.

i'm getting the information to the officer. >> were there any weapons involved? >> she has weapons in the house. >> there are weapons in the house? >> yes, it's her house. she has got a 9 mm. i have my firearm. she was throwing my stuff out and one of the bags was one of my firearms. i never pulled a firearm, i never displayed it. when i was packing it i'm sure she saw it. >> okay. is her weapon put up?

>> i have no idea. it's hers. >> what about your weapon? >> it's in a bag, locked. >> okay. are they still knocking on the door? >> no. i just wanted to leave. she told me that it was better. she is pregnant with our child and she told me it was better if she raised the child on her own. i said are you sure? as soon as i start packing up my stuff to leave, she completely changed. >> when you say she changed, what did she do? >> at first she was letting me pack my stuff so we could go our own ways.

when she changed she just started smashing stuff, taking stuff that belonged to me, throwing it outside, throwing it out of her room, throwing it all over the house. she broke a glass table because she threw something on it. i don't know if it was mine or hers, whatever it was. she got mad that i told her i would be willing to leave. >> okay. >> i guess she thought i was going to argue with her. but she's pregnant. i'm not going to put her through that kind of stress. >> okay. is she still outside with the officers right now? >> i don't know, ma'am, i'm inside. >> you're inside? >> uh-huh. >> and you're still not willing to go out and speak with the officers? >> i can talk to one of the officers, but i don't want to go outside.

>> joining me now is joy reed and lisa bloom. legal analyst and author of the upcoming book. joy reed, your reaction to hearing george zimmerman once again on 911 tape? >> actually that's the first time i am hearing it all the way through as well. it's really fascinating how george zimmerman clearly, how much he clearly understands the law and attempts to shape events in this 911 call. i mean this is a man whose best friend was a former seminole county sheriff, whose father is a magistrate judge retired from virginia. he understands the elements that he needs to establish in order to make himself the innocent party and make the other person, the guilty party. he admitted to the 911 operator, the reason he called, there is no emergency.

the emergency is now being taken care of outside. he actually pushed her outside according to the officer's report and barricaded the door. the reason the police are outside instead of inside is he barricaded the door so that the police couldn't get in and then he composes himself and in that very calm, serene voice goes on to lay out the case against the now alleged victim. >> lisa bloom, the victim told the police that as the police have said, the victim has disclosed to us that she is not pregnant. so that pregnant element of the story, there is a true or false there and we can't say which one is true right now. one of the interesting things is the glass table. george zimmerman told her say that he broke the glass table. she says that on her 911 call. so he in the middle of his 911 call says very calmly she just broke the glass table knowing that that's one of the evidentiary elements there.

he wasn't calling to -- 911 to get help. he said on the call, i want my story up, basically. i want to tell the truth knowing that this tape would come out. >> that's right. george zimmerman has known since 2005 that the best defense is a good offense. that's when his fiance chose to get a restraining order, he got one against her. in the treyvon martin case he claimed that martin attacked him and he's the victim. now he says she's the one that is crazy, she is pregnant, she is coming after me and i'm just the guy who once again is a victim. it's amazing how everybody in the world seems to be conspireing against zimmerman including his estranged wife and girlfriend. they both have very similar stories.

shelly zimmerman telling a story similar to this one. you're right about the 911 call. that's supposed to be for emergencies. he knows that 911 immediately gets released to the media. he calls 911 as a p.r. move to set the record straight while the police are banging on the door and the 911 operator says just go talk to them, they're right outside but his story is not going to get out that way. >> he says why are you calling me and he said i want to get my story out. there's more tape here to play of samantha. we have played george zimmerman in full. i didn't want to edit any of that out. only one of them can be telling the truth. if it is not george zimmerman telling the truth,that is the voice of george zimmerman in a cold, calm lie and that is a vote and tone that we have heard from him before. let's listen to samantha saying that he knows how to play this

game. let's listen to this. >> i want you to step away from the door, okay? i don't want you anywhere near him. >> he knows how to do this. he knows how to play this game. >> okay. >> joy, he certainly does know how to play the game. i want to get to more tape from her because he seems to be talking about oh just one gun. there is just one gun and it's in my bag. let's listen to what she says about george zimmerman's guns on her 911 call. >> what kind of gun did he have? >> he has the gun that he just smashed all my stuff with was the shotgun. >> a shotgun or a handgun? >> it's a shotgun. >> does he have it with him now? >> he has all of his guns inside. he unloaded the shotgun and his ar. he took that to smash my table and smash my sun glasses and smash whatever the hell else he is smashing in there while i am outside.

>> and he had two? >> yeah. >> george zimmerman is ready for anything. >> he has got all of his guns, and according to the police report, he took the butt of the shotgun and used it to smash the glass coffee table. he actually cocked one of the two shotguns, cocked it so that she could hear, put it in his bag and then retrieved it from the bag. at one point she said i'm going to call 911 and according to the police report, what she told police, he then pointed the gun at her and said are you sure you want to do that. keep in mind that she was actually on the scene. she was outside in the car during the september incident that george zimmerman had with his wife shelly. she was the woman in the car while he supposedly initially brandished a gun and threatened her in both of these cases, these are not his house but he is the one who winds up inside

pushing out whoever it is that is there or telling them they have to go. this is her house and he ends up locking her out and barricades himself in. >> two things. if this behavior had predated the treyvon martin case, would any of this made its way into evidence. given what you know about the case and the way george zimmerman responded, how does this help inform us about what happened with martin? >> first it would not have come in unless they could establish a relationship because a defendant has to be convicted of the facts in a particular case and not based on some other incident. but the bigger question is george zimmerman's anger management and his propensity to take guns out and use guns when he's angry and upset with

someone. i'm convinced after thoroughly reviewing the trial that it was not self-defense. that he was clearly lying about many incidents in that story. and he was angry. he was upset. you could hear that before he killed treyvon martin. he gets angry. he loses control. he uses the gun as a reflection of himself when he gets angry. this is very disturbing and the most disturbing thing as we speak is he still has a legal right to have all of these guns. unless the state attorney gets that right removed from him tomorrow, he can get out, still have his guns concealed on his person, in his car, in his home. that's the law in the state of florida. >> he doesn't just use the gun as a prop in argument or confrontation, he aims the gun at people.

>> and this is somebody who has actually shot a gun and taken a human life. and i think really probably what is the most disturb something the fact that yes, clearly there was anger and rage that took place in this incident but once george zimmerman picks up the phone and calls 911, this natural calm, this is not the way you expect someone to behave when there is an incident that is violent and involves firearms. this is someone who, when his firearms were just held by the police for a certain period of time, nra activists went out and raised $12,000 to make sure that he got that gun. this is somebody who went and took pictures of himself at the cal-tec manufacturing plant, smiling, buying the same brand of gun used in the martin case. the two women in this case, mrs. zimmerman and this young women. shelly zimmerman chose not to press charges which is why george zimmerman didn't even

have the opportunity to get his guns taken away. >> but shelly zimmerman did go on tv and say she does not understand him or know who he is at all and we heard the girlfriend say on the 911 tape, he knows how to do this. he knows how to play this game. lisa, joy, thank you very much for joining me. >> thanks lawrence. >> coming up, the amazing political story in louisiana about how duck dynasty beat eric cantor and jindel. >> and another episode of bad cop worse cop. >> things you might not know

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i'm not a politician but i approve this message. >> the duck dynasty backed republican candidate won the special election on saturday. and in the process defeated the candidate from the republican establishment and he did it by running to the left of the republican establishment candidate. advance is in favor of the expansion of medicaid under the affordable care act, an expansion that louisiana governor refuse to accept. republican state senator, dissatisfied faction outside of washington was also smashed. >> i think it's going to be an outsider. i think the presidential and vice presidential nomination should be a former or current governor. ready to move america forward.

>> so that rules out rubio, cruz, paul. >> all good guys but it has got to be somebody who is viewed as being exceptionally removed from washington. >> if paul ryan had a fan club i would be the president of that. >> joining me now is vermont governor, howard dean. howard dean in that louisiana house race it turned out running in favor of the expansion of medicaid was a winning idea for a republican candidate. >> well, first of all, took so much money from the koch brothers that he couldn't possibly be an outsider. one thing. this is nuts not to not to do it. these republicans are saying

look let's look at the balance sheet and what it does. democrats are allowed to vote in the republican primary if they wish to in louisiana as they are here in vermont. they are also allowed to do that in alabama. i would love to hear steve's opinion on whether he thinks that made a difference. i am no expert on republicans. >> steve, go ahead. particularly, the expansion of medicaid, which violates the congressional republican dictates on this does that surprise you that he would win? with that being almost the only distinguishing feature between these two candidates? >> i don't think he ran to the left. i would say he ran to center of the republican party if that's okay with you. the fact of the matter is chris christie is for expansion. that if you put the alabama

second race, it was the the united states. and the swamp people came up short. he is in favor of the expansion of medicaid, i think the defining difference is he's not on the repeal the affordable care act band wagon that the tea party has hitched its horse to. there is good things, bad things. we ought to get rid of the bad and reinforce the good. that is what most level headed republicans are saying. >> he also said that you cannot

repeal obama care as long as president obama is in office, as long as the democrats control the senate. in other words he recognized the fundamental political arithmetic of this, which so many republicans don't recognize. >> i do think that is an interesting thing in a louisiana primary, which is a pretty conservative place. he does appear to be somebody, and i have never met him nor his opponent but he does appear to be somebody who is realistic and that has been absent on the far right of the republican party. it sounded to me like he wants to do what is right for his constituents. louisiana is one of the poorer states in the country. a lot of his people are going to get health insurance from obama care, which is, after all, a heritage foundation authored plan. this is not a crazy left wing plan. so it is just fascinating to see what this is going be like. >> supporters spent saturday

night celebrating uncolluding duck dynasty star willie robertson. >> i walked out of the woods a while ago and i had to find this place. he's just a regular guy and i like that. he's from here. he's a christian, a military guy. he's my kind of guy. >> no strings attached is what i'm gonna bring. every decision will be what's best for the fifth district, not what's best for anybody else. >> let's combine these two elements here and consider the republican presidential nomination and republican race. do you agree with scott walker that it needs to be someone from outside of washington? and obviously it needs to be someone who can get the "duck dynasty" endorsement. >> i think it needs to be somebody who is confident and electable. they need to have a desire to

represent the entire country, not just the reddest of red states below the mason dixon line. we need to get rid of the dogma, recapture the center of american politics. i know governor dean has a different opinion but things are not going so well for the affordable care act. there is is a clear path forward for republicans if they stop snatching defeat out of the jaws of victory. >> thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, the cheney family will not be spending christmas together. liz cheney is feuding with her sister over marriage equality and in the rewrite, it is time to once again rewrite america's understanding of police use of deadly force.

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>> your daughter said she is not pro gay marriage and your other daughter is, of course, pro gay marriage. is this causing tension? >> if it did, i wouldn't talk about it.

>> right now we're talking about liz cheney and the cheney family. >> dick cheney's daughter, liz. >> that remark by liz cheney. >> some of your conservative critics say you have flipped positions on some issues to try to attract wyoming voters. you now say you oppose same sex marriage but in 2009 you opposed a constitutional amendment and you supported the state department offering benefits. they say that's a flip. >> it's not. i standby both positions. >> they say that's a flip. >> i don't believe in amending the constitution. i do believe in the tradition definition of marriage. >> your sister who is married to a woman, she said for the record, i love my sister, you, but she is dead wrong on the issue of marriage. >> liz said pubically my sister and i disagree on gay marriage.

i'm not for gay marriage despite the fact that my sister is married. >> i love mary very much. >> it got uglier from there. her wife said liz supported us at her wedding and now she is turning on us for political reasons. >> this is just an issue on which we disagree. >> in the spotlight tonight, the cheney family feud. joining me now, malika henderson. it seems inevitable that liz cheney trying to run to the right of mike enzi in wyoming, would run straight into this conflict with her sister over marriage equality. >> that's right. there is not a lot of room left to the right of mike. here is a guy who has a plus ratings from all of the big conservative groups. a lot of his allies out there is that they have run these ads featuring liz cheney on msnbc,

essentially coming out in support of these benefits. listen, i am so against same sex marriage that i don't even agree with my own sister's choice. one thing that is unique is that if you look at the chatter that we have seen over this, it isn't really playing in wyoming. i was looking at the top news sites and this story barely made the top ten list and a lot of the stories out there were three or four sentences. i don't think with the wyoming voters who know mike enzi very well that that is going to make a difference in this race where you already see that liz is far ,far behind. >> mary cheney has said she will not be spending christmas with liz cheney, and that thanksgiving is going to be at, i think, if i read it correctly, at mary cheney's home in virginia.

that is to say, with vice president cheney and that side of the family. >> right. >> i want to go to what dick cheney said back in 2009 where he very clearly said that he -- that any form of valid authorized relationship among gay people is fine with him. >> i think, you know, freedom means freedom for everyone. people ought to be able to enter into any union they wish. >> that sounds like the libertarian streak in dick cheney and the father of a liz beeian daughter married to a woman. >> you hear this from a lot of tea party folks. when is it the government's place to decide who can get

married. some conservatives even now arguing that you know, it's a family values issue that same sex folks should be able to get married. but i think one of the issues is that you had this family, mary cheney wrote to get george bush and her father re-elected in 2004. we know that george bush wanted that federal marriage amendment. and mary grappled with that, thought about leaving that campaign. never did. but the party, of course, is in a different place. you did have gay republicans who were in the closet, in a lot of ways, about how they felt. they lived their private lives one way and pubically said a different thing. now the party is different. it's not exactly where the country is but it is slowly catching up with where the rest of the country is in terms of gay marriage. in wisconsin, this issue, they are on the same side being against same sex marriage.

>> the conflicted parents issued this statement today, tilting clearly towards candidate liz this is an issue that we have dealt with privately for many years. pained to see it become public. liz has always believed in the traditional definition of marriage. get that one in there and compassion is called for. even when there is disagreement about such a fundamental matter and liz's many kindnesses shouldn't be used to distort her position. that statement seems clearly aimed at their daughter, mary, and her wife. >> yeah. and very much aimed at suring up liz cheney in this race. i mean, if you're liz cheney it's hard to believe that she actually believes she has a chance to win this race give than she is down 50 points in the pole. it could be that she is thinking

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>> in tonight's episode of bad cop worse cop, we have two police officers. the first officer stops a woman for doing 07 miles an hour. no one drives 55 miles an hour. you will see officer detalis viciously endanger the kids in the car and you will see him do this out of nothing but rage. and then when a back-up officer arrives, you will see who the big, big lawbreaker is in this scene when he violates the law and the constitution by firing his gun at an unarmed mother and her children on vacation in a minivan. >> 71 back there in a 55. >> a state police officer and this woman are arguing over a ticket. she does the opposite, pulling

away instead. so he pulls her over again. the officer isn't too happy. >> get out of the vehicle right now. >> you can see the officer try to pull her out while the five kids inside scream. her 14-year-old son gets out but thinks again when the officer pulls his taser. the struggle continues. >> you are facing charges already. >> i didn't run away. >> do you see my children? i'm trying to take them. >> finally she agrees to get out and talk but the conversation doesn't last long. >> turn around and face your vehicle. >> she and the cop struggle as she tries to get back into the van. while that happens the 14-year-old gets out again and this time he rushes the officer trying to defend his mom. the boy runs back to the minivan. the officer tries to get him out while back-up arrives. >> open the door.

open the door. >> ferrell starts to drive off as another officer fires at the minivan. she takes them on a high speed chase before eventually pulling over and giving up in front of a hotel. her 14-year-old son is arrested and so is she. >> what you just saw was a completely unconstitutional use of deadly force. i wrote the book on this in 1983, documenting police abuse of deadly force. black america was painfully aware of since they are disproportionately victims of deadly force crimes. now most police officers use deadly force correctly, which means they never use it. they never even have to think

about using it. well over 90% of police officers never have a legitimate occasion to draw their guns in their entire careers. well over 90% of police officers have never fired their guns on duty and have never had shots fired at them and never heard shots fired. police work is not as dangerous as hollywood would have you believe hollywood isn't about to start making movies about brave death defying farmers. the officer who you see firing his gun at the minivan has taken his guidance from tv cop shows instead of the united states supreme court. in 1985, two years after my book came out, to use deadly force against unarmed fleeing felony suspects. i had been urging that change in

law since my first public words on the subject in a 1979 "new york times" oped piece. policing has never been done by the rule book and policing the police is usually not done by the rule book either. the officer wrote that he wasn't shooting at the mother behind the wheel. he said he was aiming at the left rear tire in an attempt to immobilize the vehicle. most enlightened police departments do not allow the use of warning shots of any kind or the mythical practice of firing at tires to stop vehicles. most bullets fired by police miss most of the time. they miss their target. whatever they are aiming at, most of their bullets. police bullets fired at moving targets are virtually guaranteed to miss the target which means they all will ricochet off of pavement in unpredictable directions or in this case they were just as likely to miss that

tire if that's what he was really aiming at and hit one of the children in the car. it may be that the officer was aiming at the tire and it may be that officer montoya was advised to say that by someone who understand the law better than the officer. the woman has been charged with abuse of a child and blamed for putting her children in the line of fire of out of control police officers. she is also charged with aggravated fleeing a law enforcement officer and charged for two marijuana pipes found in that minivan. her 14-year-old son who rushed to her assistance and interfered with her arrest as i know i would have done when i was 14 years old, he faces charges of battery of an officer for that little game of tag that you saw him playing with a well armed heavily armed officer who was obviously never in any danger at

the hands of that 14-year-old boy. the officer who did abuse all of the charge in that minivan by needlessly and dangerously recklessly breaking the window and officer montoya, who fired recklessly three bullets at a van filled with five kids and their mother, those who officers have been charged with nothing.

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♪ like they helped millions of others. by listening. planning. working one on one. that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what they can do with you. that's how ameriprise puts more within reach. ♪ brad camp is a small business owner who got a cancellation notice in september from his health insurance company. he went to washington state's exchange and for close to the same premium he had been paying he got a better health insurance policy that allowed him to keep the same doctors and he qualified for a subsidy to help pay the premiums under the affordable care act. howard owns a small business in lexington, kentucky where he pays half the cost of his eight employees' insurance. his employees are now saving

five to 40% each on new health insurance plans with better benefits thanks to the affordable care act. the lower cost of health insurance allows him to provide additional employee benefits now including vision and dental plans while still saving about 50% compared to the old plan. in connecticut thanks to the affordable care act, this man will save $8,000 next year in monthly premiums. they are being cut from $965 to $313. each of these stories was told in an oped piece who say the affordable care act is working because quote elected leaders have decided to put people not politics first. also, this weekend's washington post was a report that the white house is now hoping that the

federal exchange website will work for 80% of its users by the end of this month. >> i did think it was important to read the stories that the governors supplied because we are just not hearing these stories. i want you to go to this 80% target. that seems like a low bar for the administration to set for itself. >> it does seem like a low bar. keep two things in mind. first of all, a vast improvement over what we have seen so far. and second, i think this is the point if you listen to jay today at the white house, there is always going to be some people who aren't going to go through the website. maybe they don't like to use computers. maybe they have very complicated

situations, you know, have these families with multiple people and maybe there is people with different immigration status or their income fluctuates. you have to expect that in most of these complicated cases they will have to get on the phone with a call center or go in person to one of the navigators or broker. there were some percentage that were never going to use the website. that has been the experience within medicare. the drug benefit as well. >> johnathan, i'm not one that believes in governing by anecdote positive or negative but how do we find perspective about the implementation of the affordable care act? >> it's really hard, right? we're hearing all of these stories. they come up through the media, stories where they are getting cancellation notices.

if you dig in, there are some people who they are going to be left with choices. they may have to pay more for their insurance next year or they won't have the same doctor network. you need to be careful with the stories and know the full context of them. in general you're going to find a lot of these people, the policies they had, they were lousy policies. they didn't like them. most people buying their insurance on their own they don't hold on to their insurance very long. yes, the sticker price of insurance gets more expensive under obama care but then you have subsidies. sometimes they are worth thousands of dollars a year to people. so you have all kinds of stories of people who will safe money. it's hard to get specific numbers. if you look at the people buying insurance on their own, more of them will end up paying less next year than who pay more.

you just need to look at the whole picture and understand what is really going on in every story. >> and we have to leave it there for tonight. thanks johnathan. >> thanks for having me. >> chris hayes is up next. let's get the story right. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews out in seattle. let me start with the job at hand. if you're president obama and want his presidency to proceed, what's the best way to gain control? get back on the side of americans that want to make life better with a better health care plan, a growing economy with progressive values. you focus on those who want those things opposed to those who like things the way they