could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. . good morning. i'm chris jansing. just two months after his last run-in with the law, george zimmerman spent the night behind bars. today he'll be in a courtroom facing domestic violence charges. it's his fourth brush with the law since he was acquitted of murdering trayvon martin in july. the 911 tapes really tell the story. this is part of the first call placed by his girlfriend. >> are you serious? >> 911, police fire or medical. >> i need police right now. >> okay. what's your atropical depression? >> you're the one breaking stuff in my house. >> ma'am, ma'am, what's going on? >> he's in my house breaking all my [ bleep ] because i asked him to leave heech. he has a fricking gun breaking all of my stuff right now.

no, this is not -- >> okay. >> i'm doing this again? you just broke my glass table. you broke your sunglasses and put your gun in my fricking face and told me to get the [ bleep ] out. get yo this is not your house. no, get out of here. no, get out of my house, do not push me out of my house. are you serious right now? >> i'm sorry -- >> [ bleep ] kidding me? >> even though police arrived, george zimmerman also called 911. >> okay, what's going on there? >> my girlfriend has for lack of a better word gone crazy on me. >> your girlfriend? >> yes. >> okay. where is she now? >> outside with the police.

>> okay. the police is already there so why are you calling? what happened? >> uh, i just want everyone to know the truth. >> okay. the officers can speak with you on scene. have you already spoken with them? >> no, they're pretty upset, i think. >> the officers are upset? >> yeah. they're banging on the door and the window. >> you're not going to go speak with them? >> i don't have anything to say. >> i want to bring in our company. philip bump is staff writer at the wire, attorney faith jenkins and bob herbert. good to see all of you. let's start with the legal issues first. so zimmerman has his first court appearance today. the charges are aggravated assault with a weapon, which is a felony, battery, domestic violence and criminal mischief. how serious could this be? >> it's very serious. we're talking about felony charges here. and because it's florida, they have these bump-ups because a gun is involved so you're going

to see the prosecutors go before the judge today. they're going to present the facts that they believe support their bail recommendation that they're going to ask the judge for and the case is going to go from there, i expect, and george zimmerman will enter a not guilty plea and then the judge is going set some sort of bail. i suspect especially because there's a gun involved and because at this point there's a pattern of behavior here that's emerging. >> and that pattern of behavior being? >> well, as a prosecutor, one of the first things we're taught when we look at someone's arrest record is look at the patterns because the patterns don't lie. every different comes into court and have some sort of story. let's look at the record and so what the record says. the record here says when george zimmerman gets angry, when he gets stressed out, when he gets upset, he is more than willing to pull out a gun in a confrontation. it doesn't matter if it's a woman, it doesn't matter if it's a teenager. that's his m.o. that's how he operates. >> when you listen to those f91 calls, it's pretty hard not to

think back to the 911 calls during the trayvon martin case. what do you think? >> this is the case of another tragedy just waiting to happen. it's not just going to be this incidence, no matter what happens, maybe he does some time in jail, maybe he doesn't. but this seems to be a guy where if someone doesn't intervene, we're going to get a worse tragedy again. >> this isn't the first time he's been involved in domestic violence. two other incidents in 2005, he and his live-in girlfriend got domestic violence injunctions against each other. the woman described him as protective, territorial and having a bad temper. shellie zimmerman also said george threatened her with a gun although she didn't want to press charges. she has since filed for divorce and he's been pulled over a couple of times for speeding. you wonder if this could put any pressure on the justice department. the trayvon martin case was

still an open federal case. >> i think it would be hard for them to connect the two but it's clear, this pattern of behavior that was referenced earlier, this is the sort of pattern of behavior that leads up to the tragedy we saw last year. we've already passed that pointing. the 2005 incident that you referenced, he had to go to anger management training. this is eight years ago. now he is still getting into confrontations with his girlfriend who said he had a shotgun, an air gun and two handguns. there's something that's not working right and i'm not sure the justice department can solve it. >> the real issue and it's an issue as a society we don't be willing to engage is the gun issue. why should this fellow be allowed to have a gun? he clearly should not. >> and the question then becomes what is the law and what is the law that can get passed that keeps guns out of the hands of people who may have anger management issues. >> exactly. >> and there doesn't seem to be any will in congress. there wasn't will after newtown,

there certainly wasn't will after trayvon martin for stand your ground. >> it's not going to happen and certainly not going to happen spontaneously from a case like this one. >> i don't know if you heard the irony, but trayvon martin's mother and her lawyer were in harvard talking about at the time they heard about this, were at a symposium and talking about the possibility of changing the law, but we all know what an uphill climb that is, right? >> and it's very easy to play amateur psychologist in a situation like this, which is dangerous territory, but it is clear. his girl friend in that 911 call said he knows how to play this game. >> let me play that actually because there is something interesting that she said. let me play the other part of the 911 call. do we have it? well, basically she said he knows how to play this game. >> i understand his call to 911, he's using 911 as a pr service. he knew both calls would get on the news so he called in to say

here is my side of the story world. it's this weird dynamic that surrounds him. >> because he knows there's no independent eyewitness, he knows there's no videotape. >> does this become he said/she said? >> that's what he's looking for. >> that's what he wants to do. that's why he called 911 to put his story out there. then it becomes he said/she said. >> same thing with the trayvon martin case. he knew -- trayvon martin was dead. he was the only one able to get out his story about what happened. if he could in a calm demeanor, just like he called 911, he repeatedly told his story to the police, repeatedly got his story out there. what this incident tells me is that image that mark o'mara and the defense tried to portray of

george zimmerman as this upstanding citizen who just had to use his gun, he had no other choice. it was his life or trayvon's,his actions fly in the face of that. this is the real person because he repeatedly responds with anger and violence. >> we've already had a couple of prior cases involving domestic issues with this fella and the police had to intervene but it ended up being he said/she said and no charges were filed. he just walked away from the incidents. >> i also want to talk about, again, this fact that george zimmerman clearly has a lot of guns and in these 911 calls, they both talk about that. can we pull up that? >> what kind of gun did he have? >> he has this -- the gun that he just smashed all my stuff with was the cal ten, the shotgun. >> is it a shotgun or is it a handgun? >> it's a shotgun. >> does he have it with him now? >> well, he's in my house. he has all of his guns inside. he just unload the shotgun and

his ar, but he took that case to smash my table and smash my sunglasses and smash whatever the hell else he's smashing in there while i'm outside. >> so he had a shotgun and an ar-15. >> yeah, and two handguns. >> although nothing to indicate, faith, that these guns were things that he had illegally. >> no. he has his -- he's legally entitled to possess these weapons. i know it's hard for people to understand that based on the fact that he's killed a teenager and now he has been charged at least two times. it's been alleged that he's used his weapon to brandish it in front of two different women. but under the law until he is -- until the case goes forward and these charges are actually pressed against him, shellie zimmerman did not want to go forward so that case didn't happen, but now we'll see what happens here. but domestic violence cases, they are always tricky because in many instances you have the alleged victim who changes her

mind at some point. that's where that 911 call yesterday, you will hear it again because it will be used as evidence against george zimmerman if it goes forward. >> apparently he said that some of this argument stemmed from the fact that she was pregnant and the police say she told them she's not. >> it's very bizarre. i mean this -- he is a bizarre character. i mean i'm not a psychiatrist. you know, i don't know the ins and outs of it but it's very clear to everyone who looks at these cases that he's a very troubled individual, that he's incredibly volatile and these are the kinds of people who do not need to have their hands on weapons. >> what are the realistic chances, philip, as we sit here and talk about this that in any significant way this reignites some of these conversations, whether it's about guns and who should have them or the stand your ground law in a way that makes a difference. >> zero. he's a poster child for people with concerns about weapons.

he's actually killed somebody, repeated domestic violence. but he has the second aemmend a the champion of the conservative cause so he will continue to be defended by conservatives and nothing will happen. >> great to talk to all of you. thank you so much. meantime, another case. stripped of virtually all power, his budget and his staff, toronto mayor rob ford still says he's not going anywhere until voters go to the poll next october. in what which only be described as a chaotic and heated city council session yesterday, the mayor even accidentally knocked over a councilwoman. the council overwhelmingly voted to further diminish his authority, actions ford and his councilman brother are vowing to fight in court. of course all of it going back to ford's admission to smoking crack, cocaine and drunk driving. now here's the mayor in an exclusive interview with matt lauer. >> i'm embarrassed not just myself, my family, my friends, my supporters, the whole city.

i take full responsibility for that. we've all made mistakes, matt. i'm not perfect. maybe you are, maybe other people are, i've made mistakes -- i admitted to my mistakes. >> when the questions began to circulate around you, mr. mayor, and people started to ask you about the use of crack cocaine, you played a game of semantics. they asked you whether you were a crack addict according to you and you said no. >> i'm not. and they said do you use crack cocaine? no, i don't use crack cocaine. i don't. have i tried crack cocaine? yes, i've tried -- >> that's a game of semantics and the best excuse i heard you give for using that crack cocaine was i was in a drunken stupor. and i'm wondering is that supposed to make anybody feel better? >> no, not at all. but show me the video even according -- >> what does the video matter? >> i can barely remember it. i was very, very inebriated. >> now, the mayor remains defiant saying what he's done for the city of toronto,

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fix america's broken immigration system. twin bombings near the iranian embassy in beirut. 23 people were killed, including iranes cultural attache. it is worrisome for israel to the south which continues hezbollah and its financiers to be threats. it may be related to the civil war in syria. a food drive for struggling walmart workers is sparking controversy and debate about what constitutes a living wage and the ongoing fight to provide foot stamp benefits for millions of americans.

this was taken inside a walmart in canton, ohio. they posted the picture asking why can't walmart pay us enough so we can feed our families? but a walmart spokesman defends the foundation. that store has set up a bin for associates to help out other associates. these are people who have had some unforeseen hardships in the last year. maybe their spouse lost a job, they experienced the death of a loved one or a natural disaster impacted their home. things you can't plan for. it's a chance for associates to look out for and help each other. i want to bring in congressman el eng from new york. let me get your response to walma walmart. do you think it's indicative of a larger problem when it comes to pay? >> well, i think it is and i think we're going to see more and more of these cases. i do. >> in many cases, there have

been concerns about the wages that are paid at various places, walmart being one of them. another recent study found that more than half of all fast food workers need some form of public assistance. earlier this month the white house said president obama supports the fair minimum wage act to $10.10 an hour. how could that hike make a difference? >> well, i think one of the disgraces that we have is that people who are making a minimum wage just can't make ends meet. and it's just like the congress tried to cut $40 billion out of the food stamps program. most of the people are getting these food stamps and are actually working. i think if someone is duly employed and goes out every day and is not looking for a handout, we ought to pay them a livable wage where they can afford to live and feed their family. i think this is a very, very real problem, particularly when

you have high cost of living areas like my own area of new york, you're making minimum wage. you simply cannot make ends meet. >> so the way a lot of people make ends meet is food stamps and they help to feed one in seven americans. right now those folks on food stamps are waiting to hear how much they'll be cut. as you well know this is the central issue in negotiations over the farm bill. the house wants to slash nearly $40 billion. democrats on the senate side a $4 billion reduction. republicans say they're just trying to rein in out of control costs. are we going to have a bill by the end of the year? and if we do, what's it going to look like? >> i hope we have a bill because i thinks very important. it's not only the whole food stamps issue but other issues as well. for years the farm bill contained two components and one of them is the s.n.a.p. program or food stamps. what the republicans in the house attempted to do was split it off and cut it severely. and that's just not something i

think that can be left to stand. so i'm hoping that calmer heads will prevail. i'm absolutely opposed to any cuts to the s.n.a.p. program because many of the people who get food stamps are people who are working, making minimum wage and trying to do their best. i understand that in washington we're always looking to balance the budget and cut programs, but we should not do it on the backs of our most vulnerable v nenera, particularly those that work every day. >> as you said, this is an issue that affects a lot of your constituents. you are also the ranking member of the house foreign affairs committee so i want to ask you about iran. relations between israel and the u.s. obviously strained over the easing of some sanctions in exchange for iran freezing its nuclear program. benjamin netanyahu says it's a bad deal. what do you want to see the white house do? >> well, let me just say i think

the u.s./israel relationship is strong and will remain strong. already always differences of opinion between allies and this is one of those differences of opinion. but i think both in israel and here in the united states, both of our countries understand the need for continued close cooperation and intelligence and military in all kinds of things. and i think that that will continue. what bothers me about iran, and i'm all for the talks. i i think it's important to talk is the fact that iran won't stop enriching while they're talking. it would seem to me that it would seem like a show of good faith if there are going to be talks for six months that iran cease enriching uranium and moving along, stop spinning their centrifuges as it moves closer and closer to getting a nuclear weapon. iran won't do that and that's very worrisome. we'll see what happens. the iranians have been masters

at playing for time and delaying. we in the house have passed a very strong bill, sanctions bill against them. i was a co-author of that bill, along with chairman royce. and i think it's very important that iran understand that all options are on the table, because otherwise they are not going to bargain in good faith and we can not allow iran to have a nuclear bomb. which is another thing that bothers me about the talks. again, if the talks are at the end that there will be no bomb for iran, it doesn't seem like it's too much to ask them to stop enriching while we're talking. >> congressman engle, thanks for coming on. >> thank you. another round for healthcare.gov officials getting grilled in washington. even as the white house says the site is getting better. but will the politics improve for the president? our strategists weigh in coming up. ♪

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joined by mark murray. good morning, mark. >> good morning, chris. >> i guess if there is a message out of the white house this morning about healthcare.gov, it's that things are getting better? >> that is their message and they better hope that's correct. you look at the totality of this website not working and it does really encapsulate all of the problems that the administration has been able to have. all the cancellation notices that have been a huge headache and people losing their insurance. had about been a website up and operational, a lot of americans might have realized, oh, i might get a better deal under the affordable care act. so the website and getting that fixed would cure a lot of ills. you'll see enrollment numbers go up. you'd see the new cycle turn from this negative feedback loop to something the administration would have positive stories to say. meeting that november 30th deadline to have the website working in a much better way than it was a week ago and two weeks before that would be very big news for the obama administration. >> do you have a sense on

capitol hill or at the white house whether this is something that they really believe will happen? this is going to be largely fixed by december 1st and as a result people will start feeling much better that health care? do they believe that or is that what they're hoping? >> chris, the indications i'm getting from people who are close to the white house and on capitol hill think the website will be markedly better for all. there still will be glitches and political opponents will seize on somebody's website crashed on them. so the administration doesn't think that's going to completely go away but they do think things are better. some of the people who ended up getting -- weren't able to sign up for health care recently got e-mails from the administration and from healthcare.gov to go back onto the website. that wouldn't be happening if the website wasn't starting to get better. but chris, the real big test and this is what some smart people

told me, once you see the advertising dollars go up in the states for health care, that's a sure sign that all of a sudden the website is working. the insurers know people will be able to go to the website and start getting insurance so watch the tv ad spending. >> the president did speak on a conference call with supporters of organizing for action. he wants them up there talking up health care over the holidays and this is part of what he said. quote, we have to remember the conversation that we've got around the dinner table when we're talking to co-workers at christmas parties, when we're out there in our communities, our churches, our synagogues, all our places of worship. now is the time to remind people that we've got to make sure that everybody takes advantage of the opportunity to get affordable care for the first time. when they do, they're not going to run up against lifetime caps for coverage. is there a sense that part of the problem here has been that there are -- and we heard the president talking about this in that big mea culpa news conference that there are many

great things that came out, whether insurance for up to 26, men not paying -- women not paying more than men. has this message not gotten out there? >> i think they're experiencing a negative feedback loop. any news story, newscast, any news coming out about the health care law has been a negative one for the most part and that isn't good, particularly when they're trying to convince people to say, hey, you can get a good deal by signing up. there are so many more protection and benefits for people now than there were before and health insurance, chfds which was a very, very tough thing for americans before now is a slightly easier thing. they want to be able to have a story that they can tell and the recipe is having a functional website. that's why so much is at stake at getting that up and operational for a vast majority of americans. >> again, they're saying 90% of the people trying to get on now can and so we will keep a close eye on this. mark murray, thank you. breaking news to tell you

about out of virginia where police say a state senator and former gubernatorial candidate, cray deeds, was seriously injured after an attack in his own home. another person was found dead. deeds is being treated at the university of virginia in charlottesville. they have not identified the person found dead in his home or released details surrounding the assault but a new conference is planned for noon eastern time. more residents are getting back inside their homes, this after sunday's tornado tore apart as many as 500 homes in washington, illinois. social media is helping reunite victims with their memories. at least one facebook page has been set up where people are posting photos of mail, school worksheets, a bridal veil, even a paycheck that was carried about 140 miles away. education secretary arne duncan is blame, quote, clumsy phrasing in singling out white suburban moms in opposing new,

high academic standards. he regrets saying this group was upset because children weren't, quote, as brilliant as they thought according to common core. every demographic has room for improvement. they have done it again, senate republicans blocking another one of president obama's nominees to serve on a key federal court. robert wilkins was six shy. republicans say there just isn't enough work for three additional judges. democrats say the republicans want to stop the president from filling the vacancies because they want to keep the courts conserve leanings. princeton university has decided to take drastic measures to combat a potentially deadly meningitis outbreak on campus. the university will provide students with a vaccine that is not approved in the u.s., but the cdc asked for permission to bring the vaccine in to specifically fight this outbreak. students should be able to get the first doses next month. quite a sight this morning on day 44 of the olympic torch

relay. russian torch bearers in bathing caps and speedos braved the icy waters. despite 23-degree temperatures, they were able to keep the torch and the flags above water. this is the longest torch relay ever. time for what's moving your mon money. by now you've heard about the mysterious bit coin, virtual currency that has skyrocketed in value over the past month and is being hyped by the winkelvoss twins of facebook twin. now congress is looking into it holding a hearing and another one is on tap this afternoon. >> virtual currency known as bit coin has captured the imagination of some, struck fear among others and confused the heck out of the rest of us, including me. >> we're joined now by henry

blau blodgett. so they were asked to explain what bit coin was in his interview on cnbc. here's what he said last week. >> mine -- it's digital currency. there's a public ledger that records the ownership of coins. >> he lost me. >> exactly. >> what is a bit coin? why do i care? >> it's a string of numbers. it's digital money is the idea. you can use it to buy things in some places, relatively few places. you could buy it and hold it an hope that the price goes up and sell it but it's digital money. >> people have said is it like a debt card? >> no. it is -- think about gold. it's like buying something that other people agree has value, but the value is in question. some people think it's going to be worth zillions of dollars, some people think it's going to be worth zero. when you buy it, you don't know

what the price is going to do. but it's been going up lately. >> if you're someone like the winkelvoss twins, you believe this is the currency of the future, right? >> that's right. and the word does need an electronic currency. it solves a lot of problems. >> what kinds of problems? >> if you need to transact in big aunts missouri -- quantities, carrying buckets of cash is hard. >> this is not like the dollar versus the euro, the bit coin is worth the same wherever you are? >> well, it isn't because people disagree about what it's worth. as they put their own currencies into it. yes, you could say i will sell this thing for one bit coin to anybody in the world and they can transact with you. >> so congress had the hearing

starting yesterday and a lot of members of congress sounded like me confused. >> everybody is confused. >> part of it that is understandable is there is a dark side to this because it's been used to launder money. last month silk road, which was one of the sites where you could trade bit coin got busted because it was used for purchasing drugs and hiring hit men. is this something congress is going to have to look at? >> they certainly will look at it. the reason people are using it for that, it's anonymous. >> untraceable basically. >> you don't have to play down a credit card with your name on it or take a suitcase full of cash somewhere in the dead of night. you can pay in bit coins anonymously on the internet to buy something bad or have somebody do something bad and that's why folks are using it for that. but more serious people are using it because they do believe the world needs this currency and they're hording it and we're in a clear mania where it's swinging wildly every day. >> is it clear what wall street

thinks of bit coin? >> wall street issin kree intri. the main problem that anybody has buying it is there's no way to value it. it could be worth a cent or a million dollars a coin, you just don't know. >> so you better be a big gambler if you're going to get into bitcoin. >> absolutely. >> henry, i understand it a little better so that's a miraculous segment. thanks so much. there is an interesting new poll out that takes a look at the legacy of presidents in modern times. check it out, 74% of adults across the u.s. say john f. kennedy was an outstanding or above average president. ronald reagan was second, 61%. bill clinton is third. if you go to the bottom three, lyndon johnson's approving rating just 20%, gerald ford 16, richard nixon ranked the lowest. in case you're wondering, president obama came right in the middle, 28%. and we've got a link to the full list up at jansing.msnbc.com.

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the abortion debate's latest battlefield is the desert city of albuquerque, new mexico. residents there head to the polls to vote on a referendum to ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. the first municipal election of its kind in the country. pro-life and pro-choice supporters are watching closely. albuquerque is a testing ground for whether abortion limits can be imposed not only at the state but at the local level. we'll talk to the president and ce of for the center of reproductive rights but i'm joined by kristin hawkins, president of students for life, a national association of campus pro-life groups. good morning. 13 states have late-term abortion bans. this is the first time that a city has put this initiative on the ballot of the what's the strategy here? >> this is really what's happening with grassroots pro-life activists who are frustrated, waiting for washington, d.c. or their state

capitals to step up and take the lead. we have a young couple in albuquerque who have said, you know what, we're going to take a stand and do this right here in our city and we're going to kick out the last two late-term abortionists in our state. the last four in the country. >> national organizations like the american civil liberties union, susan b. anthony, listed hundreds of thousands of dollars into campaign ads. let me play a clip from one of them. >> by 20 weeks, this baby "college football live" pa can feel pain. >> but in albuquerque many have been killed through abortion. >> one of the things i've had to do as a doctor is tell a family something has gone wrong with a pregnancy. vote no on this ordinance. >> new mexico has one of three clinics in the country where a woman can come for a third trimester abortion. colorado and maryland are the others. this is step one? do you plan to take this fight

to other cities? >> this is a very common sense issue, one that americans who are pro-choice or pro-life agree with banning abortions after a baby who can feel pain. i think this is a very great strategy for the pro-life movement. we'll start in albuquerque and i think this will be the energizer for cities to step up themselves and take the lead. >> only about 1% of abortions are performed after 21 weeks and most are performed because of severe fetal abnormalities that can't be detected until the fifth or sixth month of pregnancy. is this a way for pro-lie activists like you to chip away at roe v. wade. you haven't had success on the national level, sometimes on the state level so you're going to continue to fight at this wherever you can? >> well, like i said, this is common sense. the fact that we're on national tv debating about having abortions on children who can feel pain, we're discussing the

humanity of preborn children. i think it says something about our society when the first thing we think about when we hear about tragic fetal abnormalities is we're going to ship a woman off to an abortionist in a far away state to deal with the problem instead of prenatal hospice and services that allow her and her family to grieve and have a healthy grieving process. this is the first thing, the most compassionate thing we can think of? >> kristin hawkins, thank you so much. now i want to bring in nancy northrop. thank you for coming on. this is sort of a central question, what she just alleged, which is that babies, fetuses, over 20 weeks can feel pain and it's cruel. >> what's really at issue here is the fact that for the very few women, and you pointed out it's a very small percent, who have abortions at this time, their circumstances are unique. they are sometimes, as you say,

because of diagnoses that come up later in pregnancy, they need to be able to make these decisions with their doctors. the fact that this is being subject to a balloting initiative when you're talking about women's health care, they have a fundamental constitutional right to have the health care that they need. this very small percentage who find themselves in this situation. >> there is a lot of interest in this. nearly 44,000 early votes have been cast, outpacing the mayoral election in albuquerque. there was a recent poll that found 54% of voters support the ban even if it fails to pass today. obviously the plan is to bring it back with another petition, to move to other cities. what's the strategy on your side? >> well, certainly if it is going to pass, groups are going to be looking at suing. it's unconstitutional. it's clearly unconstitutional. every place that these 20-week bans have been challenged, they have been enjoined by courts. and in fact all the way up to the united states court of appeals of the ninth circuit, and that is a decision where they said it's just so clearly

unconstitutional under roe and that's because the court recognized that these are highly personal decisions that need to be made by women and their doctors. this is not to be made by the voters. >> this obviously is a republican-led effort. a quinnipiac national poll recently found 55% would prefer abortion be legal up to 20 weeks, but only 30%, 24 weeks. if national sentiment seems to be moving toward that 20-week limit, could this vote in albuquerque and to your point if the potential is there that it could pass, could it have national implications? >> well, there's already a campaign to do this and as i said where it has been challenged in court they have been blocked. i think what's important to know is that the supreme court said that states can, and most do, ban abortion after viability. and so what's at issue here is for those women who find themselves in a difficult, personal medical situation in which they need to be deciding

with their doctors of the and you can talk about polls but really the question is when a woman is sitting there, what decision does she make for herself? people sometimes tell pollsters one thing but when they're in the shoes of having to make a decision, they make a decision different than what they might tell a polpollster. today's tweet of the day comes from "new york" magazine. in the past two years, 26 states have passed more than 111 provisions restricting abortion. [ female announcer ] we give you relief from your cold symptoms.

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office. quote, in this tough and sad time, our thoughts and prayers are with the deeds family. the news from this morning is utterly heart breaking. cray deeds is an spepexceptionad dedicated public service who has always done what he believes is best for virginia and who gives his all to public service. i urge all virginians today to join me in praying for a full and complete recovery for him and for many more years of his public service to the commonwealth. at this moment our state unites in prayer for creigh deeds and his family. he was a gubernatorial candidate and ran against governor bob mcdonnell. so again, we expect more information about one hour from now. that's going to wrap up this hour of "jansing & co." i'm chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next. hi, everybody. the agenda next hour, men behaving badly. first up, george zimmerman and the new arrest. the acquitted killer is due in court for a first appearance on

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hi, everybody, good morning. i'm thomas roberts. topping our agenda today, george zimmerman, the new arrest, new mug shot and conflicting 911 tapes. zimmerman just hours away from appearing in front of a judge again on charges involving a gun. zimmerman is facing an aggravated assault and battery charge after his girlfriend, samantha, called 911 yesterday accusing him of pointing a shotgun at her when she asked

him to leave. >> you just broke my glass table. you just broke my sunglasses and you put your gun in my fricking face and told me to get the [ bleep ] out. this is not your house. no, get out of here. >> according to the arrest report, she told zimmerman she was calling police because she was nervous why he pulled out the shotgun. he allegedly pointed it at her and asked her if she really wanted to do that. at one point she told the 911 operator this. >> he knows how to do this. he knows how to play this game. >> i need you to calm down, okay? >> not to be outdone, zimmerman made his own call to 911 after barricading the door while scheib was outside with deputies, saying that she broke the glass table of the and while he has a weapon, he never pointed it at any one. >> i never pulled a firearm. i never displayed it. when i was packing it, i'm sure

she saw it. i mean we keep it next to the bed. >> police say they were able to enter the home by pushing away furniture and zimmerman was not in possession of a gun at the time. here's how they describe what zimmerman was like when they came in. >> the easiest way to describe it is rather passive. i mean clearly he's had the opportunity to encounter situations similar to this in the past, offered no resistance and cooperated the entire time. >> since zimmerman was acquitted on charges of second-degree murder in the death of trayvon martin four months ago, he's been pulled over in texas for speeding, cited in florida for a traffic va lags and two months ago police responded to a fight between zimmerman and his wife, shellie. no charges were filed and the two are in the process of formalizing their divorce. i want to bring in lisa bloom who has an upcoming book, "the inside story of the trayvon martin injustice and why we are doomed to repeat it" and