thanks so much for watching. my colleague and friend ed schultz with "the ed show" is next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show." live from new york, let's get to work oh. who gets to vote and how. >> an environment of suppression. nobody should put a road block or barrier. >> a great indication of this administration's views of race. >> racism 1.0 to 2.0. >> there are these voter i.d. laws. >> trying to defend the sanctity of our voting process. >> never let the truth get in the way of a good story. >> okay. >> we don't need to worry one bit about minority voters being purged from the roles. we haven't seen that in a long time, right? americans have a sacred right to vote. >> never let the truth get in the way of a good story. >> ohio republicans have been at

the forefront of voter suppression efforts for years. >> reduce fraud in elections. >> never let the truth get in the way of a good story. >> okay. ♪ >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. what in the heck are we doing talking about elections right now? we're a year away. well, let's have a refresher course on how the republicans operate, because they like a pitbull, when they grab on, never seem to let go. doggone it, give them credit for that. see these long lines, these long lines in florida? these long lines that took place in the state of ohio? lefties, we've got to talk about florida as we did last night. we've got to talk about ohio as we're going to do tonight, because this is the bread basket for victory for the democrats if you want the white house in 2016. all of these long lines were manufactured by republicans. and they circumvented every effort they possibly could to keep the democrats from

alleviating this problem. and there was an acknowledgment by the president of the united states that voting lines were a problem. on election night, 2012, little refresher course here. president obama said he wanted to address it. >> i want to thank every american who participated in this election. whether you voted for the very first time or waited in line for a very, very long time. by the way, we have to fix that. >> well, i'll tell you one thing. the republicans heard what president obama said. because they're not going to let anybody fix it. they want it just like that. and here's the guy in the center of it all in the estate of ohio. here's your moderate. we'll find out. you know, we are in the middle of this health care fight in america right now.

and there may be some liberals out there who are getting weak-kneed in the middle of this. let me tell you something. this is a classic exactly example of how the republicans never give up. they don't care what time of year it is, they don't care what the climate is. they are going to do what they have to do. it's like they have this attitude. we have as much time as our opponent to get ready for the next election. that's basically the way they operate. and that's what they're thinking in ohio right now. after the supreme court struck down key provisions of the voting rights act, republican governors around the country are working hard to chip away at voting rights, especially in key states, like we mentioned, ohio. ohio worked for president obama and sherrod brown, in the last two presidential elections. well, republicans are now doing everything in their power to turn the state absolutely scarlet, not red, scarlet. case in point. this guy right here.

now, i have no bone to pick with john kasich. he's probably a nice guy. we have asked to do a sit-down interview with him. but, of course, he's too busy. if you'll notice, last night i did a sit-down interview with charlie crist, and there was -- it was really no violence. no yelling at each other, any of that kind of stuff. it would be a very professional and uplifting interview. but this is your moderate republican governor of ohio, john kasich. really? we're going to find out just how moderate he is. he's gotten praise in the media and from the president for expanding medicaid. but wait a minute, hold the phone, don't buy it. he should have done that anyway. because it's going to help a lot of ohioans. his republican state legislature is what we really need to pay attention to. because let me tell you something, folks. this governor is going to have to make a decision. they are working on no less than four bills that would roll back voting rights in ohio that's the most radical stuff we have ever seen. i mean roll it, roll it, roll it back to the last century.

well, let's go with senate bill 238 first. this bill eliminates the so-called golden week in ohio. it would make the so-called voters -- they could not register and vote between the 35th and the 30th day before each election. so what that is, they're cutting bait. chip away, chip away, chip away is what the philosophy is. next senate bill 205. this would stop local governments from mailing absentee ballot applications during primary and special elections? it would also limit the ohio secretary of state from mailing out applications during general elections. in other words, it's going to reduce the powers of the secretary of state. how interesting. the bill directly effects people with disabilities who vote by mail. of course, they're always against the post office. and if this bill passes, fewer

people will vote, and there will be longer lines at the polls, and that is exactly what they want on election day. you know, we're living in that twitter world, man. give it to me fast, maybe it easy to understand. don't bore me with the details. let's get to the next subject. man, i ain't standing in line that long to vote. that's what they want. they want long lines. now we've got senate bill 200 out of ohio. this backwards bill would actually reduce the number of voting machines. think about that. reduce the number of voting machines. hold it right there. remember those long lines we were just showing you? the republicans think, hell, let's make them longer. what do you say we reduce the number of voting machines? that's what this bill does. you know, it is amazing. if a county must -- you know, if they're going to have fewer voting machines in counties where there is long lines, tell me how that makes sense. and if mail ballots are reduced and if this bill passes, it could be a recipe for

dangerously long lines on election day. this day one. finally, we have senate bill 216. the fourth one is a dandy. this bill makes changes to provisional ballot standards. that's right. it would increase technical hurdles voters would have to jump through for their ballot to be even counted. if this bill passes, it would only increase the number of ballots that can be thrown out. make no mistake. this is republican politics at its best. this is a direct attempt by republicans to suppress the vote in ohio, and it's right out in the open. they're not even hiding it. they are worried about our next guest, ohio state senator, nina turner, who we will get to in just a moment. i want to focus, if i can, on john kasich. because john kasich is trying to present to the american people that, you know, he would be a good presidential nominee. i mean, he's a guy that is willing to work across the aisle. he's a guy who is a moderate compared to all these other

radicals, like the guy in florida we were talking about yesterday. i mean, this guy was in the congress. he's run state budgets. he's worked with democrats. and everything else. john kasich, this is your chance to prove that you care about people voting. this is your chance to prove that you truly are a moderate and you can separate yourself away from these radicals in the state of ohio who are trying to spup pre suppress the votes. state senator nina turner is running for secretary of state. and if she wins, there is no doubt that she is going to make it a hell of a lot easier for the folks of ohio to vote. this is an attempt by republicans to limit her power if she wins before she even gets into office. and i will tell you right now, get all your political experts out there to tell you how important ohio is in the presidential election. whoever wins ohio wins the white house. so this is why all of these radical bills are being introduced right now, and this is a challenge for john kasich to say no, we're going to put

more voting machines across the state. and we're not going to limit the powers of the secretary of state. this is his opportunity to prove that he cares. get your cell foenls out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. can john kasich call himself a moderate? if he restricts voting rights? text a for yes, text b for no to 67622. can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring results later on in the show. yesterday we talked about florida. today we're talking about ohio. don't anybody say a year away from election that "the ed show" didn't pay attention to this. i'm giving you a year's warning. this is how these people play the game. for more, let's bring in ohio state senator nina turner, who is running for secretary of state in ohio, which i think is one of the most important races in the country. senator, good to have you with us tonight. >> thank you, ed. >> are these bills a response to you running, because you live on this program numerous times, been on other shows, not afraid

to speak out about voter suppression. in fact, you have been the leader when it comes to folks out of ohio talking about suppressing the vote and what has to be done. is this a direct reaction to you running? what do you think? >> well, ed, i think this is more reaction to the demographic shifts we have going on in our country, including the state of ohio, that, again, if republicans don't have better candidates or better ideas, they try to rig the election. the first rigging was through redistricting, as you know, ed. and you have been a great champion, and i'm so glad you are sounding the alarm bell. we need to do that. and states like north carolina and texas, they made -- the republicans are wholesale stripping away the right to vote, or creating barriers to the right to vote by having one huge bill. but in states like ohio, they are chipping away brick by brick by brick. and they are building a wall, a barrier between voters and the opportunity to be equals at the ballot box. ed, this is exactly what is going on in the state of ohio and across this country. >> senator, how can we interpret it any other way than it's an

attack on democratic voters, an attack on the elderly, low-income neighborhoods. they want to reduce the number of voting machines. i just find that amazing. how else can we read it other than an attack on democratic voters? >> it is. and not only democrats. i say all voters, because as you just identified, elderly voters of all political spectrums will be impacted by this. policy matters did a study last year, ed, with strict voter i.d., which is pending in the ohio house. you stated correctly, we have about five bills in the senate. there are about half a dozen bills in the ohio house, restrict identification bills will have an impact on elderly folks in the state of ohio. >> we have bills in the house, bills in the senate, only focus on the senate bills tonight. but six i.d. voter laws coming up in the house in ohio. what's the motivation? >> they want to restrict people's opportunities to vote oh because they know when more

people vote, democrats win. the bottom line here, we should be encouraging and protecting the right to vote. but republicans are doing exactly the opposite here in the legislature, and if this happens in ohio, as you stated, this will happen -- will continue to happen all over the country. and it's not just the southern states, as we see what's happening in ohio. this is a monthly mal to have cocktail. and we can't stand for it, ed. we can't wait. we have to be engaged right now. >> well, let's talk about that. where is john kasich on this, where is the executive branch, would he sign these bills if they got through house and senate? >> the governor -- i wish he would come on your show, ed, and you can ask him that question directly. >> this is a fundamental. you're either for expanding the vote or you're not. how can you call -- how can you call yourself a moderate if you are going to support radical bills like this? >> he hasn't spoken against these bills thus far, which is

unacceptable. the current secretary of state has not said a mumbling word about these bills either, ed. they're all in this together in terms of trying to suppress the vote of certain people. young people, elderly people, people of color. i mean, it's a strict voter i.d. bill passes in ohio, over 900,000 people do not have those types of i.d.s, elderly people in particular, african-americans and people who are socially and economically challenged. all of the groups they are trying to stop from voting. they are taking us back. >> 900,000? >> 900,000, ed. 900,000 people in ohio. voting is a fundamental right. and nobody should trample on that right. it is the one place where one woman, one man, one vote, where we can all be equal. this is serious what is going on in the state of ohio. >> do you think this will backfire on the republicans? is there enough conversation in the buckeye state, in the bread basket of winning elections about this?

>> well, you're getting us started, ed. to the extent that you continue to sound the alarm and others on the ground, we do have good government groups going all over this state. i think it will backfire, the same way it back fired on them last year when they tried to thwart access to the ballot box. it will backfire again. but we don't have the glitz and glamour of a presidential election and that is why what you are doing is so important. every election matters. >> it's the worst you've ever seen. >> absolutely. it goes back. remember the long lines in ohio in 2004? and juxtapose those long lines to what happened in florida in 2012. that is exactly what they're doing, trying to discourage people from exercising their fundamental rights to vote. >> and i want to make sure i've got this right. this would diminish the power of the secretary of state. >> yes, the absentee ballot applications being mailed out that, particular bill states that only if the general assembly authorizes it through an appropriation. so if the general assembly does not give money to the secretary of state to mail out those absentee ballot applications,

then the secretary of state cannot do that. why would you do that? why would you do that? >> control. >> trying to confuse and stop voters. >> yeah, the legislature to control the state office so it doesn't get out of hand so they can control the vote. it's amazing what's happening. this is an opportunity. this is a real national opportunity for john kasich to step out against some radical thinking, when it comes to people going to the polls and vote. ohio state senator nina turner, running for secretary of state in ohio. thanks for joining us tonight. i appreciate your time. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen, share your thoughts on twitter at ed show and on facebook. we always want to know what you think. coming up, a fox business host is a strong believer that size does matter. plus, the right wing talkers are targeting democrats who voted for the gop junk insurance bill. lots more coming up. stay with us. you want to see something cool? snapshot, from progressive. my insurance company told me not to talk to people like you.

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could see the evidence and that the decisions would be evidence-based. rather than politically motivated. >> one of our big problems in washington is that we tend to react to sound bites, about 30 of them, were insulating themselves against sound bites. >> 46 times i stood up. this is the 47th. i have a state that can't sign anyone up. people are getting their insurance cancelled and they can't get replacement insurance from the exchange. what should i say to them? >> sure they can. >> sorry about that. >> of course, they can. they can get a replacement insurance. that's what this is all about. and we should point out, the insurance exchange website in the state of oregon has not gone live yet. not operational. so congressman peter de blasio is correct. no ones in his state has signed up. but 18,000 people in oregon have sent in paper applications for obama care. you think there's a need for it? you think there's a demand?

you think there's a desire for it? absolutely. how about minnesota? how is it working there? joining me now is congressman keith ellison of minnesota. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. on the upton bill, you, of course, voted no. you did not side with the republicans. there were 39 of your colleagues who decided to do it, for various reasons. does this weaken the position of the democrats, because it strengthens the talking points for the republicans? john boehner is going to be able to run around for a year now saying the democrats don't even believe in their own bill and what they're doing and we now have a bipartisan bill that passed, and harry reid won't touch it. what does this do to the democrats? >> nothing. we need to stand up and we should. what we should do is talk about the importance of going from a situation where we had 50 million people without any health care. we had people with lifetime limits, people being thrown off after they got sick. and we changed. and we moved on from that. that's what we need to do. we need to talk about the bad

old days and the fact that the affordable care act brings us into a better reality. and that's where -- >> congressman, does it need a legislative fix? i mean -- >> no, it does not. >> right now, does it really need a legislative fix? >> no, absolutely not. what we need to do is get that website cranking, the way it should be. they're working on it every day and it's getting better every day. and it will get fixed. it's technology. they're fixing it. and we need to just keep signing people up. and the reality is, these cancellations that we have seen, many of these were high deductible plans with a lot of exclusions. and, you know, a lot of these things led people to financial ruin. and we're rid of many of them. >> why is it working so well in states like california, and minnesota, and kentucky and rhode island and washington? i mean -- it's interesting, where it's been accepted on the state level, it's working. how is it in your state?

>> it's working great in minnesota. and as a matter of fact, we're quite proud of mn sure, which is what we call it. people are signing up, getting in. we had a low number of people who were uninsured, but we had too many, because no one should be. but because our state and our legislature and the people of our state insisted they get an alternative to the bad old days, it's working. in states where texas, like where the governor wanted to sabotage it, and they have some of the highest uninsured in the country, you know, it's not working as well. but the people of texas need health care. they need it. they deserve it. >> they deserve better than the governor is giving right now. which is, you know, rejecting medicare expansion which is, you know, basically not helping out. and those folks, i hope they remember who helped them and who didn't. >> well, that's going to be interesting to see, if they do in the mid terms. i was told yesterday by charlie crist in florida, he sure isn't going to run away from it. and i think the democrats will be making a huge mistake for

running away from obama care. the white house is saying that almost 5.5 million americans will be uninsured because of republican governors' failure to expand medicare in their states. are republican governors more interested in politics or helping their own people? >> well, i think that they are interested in keeping people desperate or in -- and that allows them to be able to demagog, and that allows them to try to do something and make a political out of it. it doesn't help people get health care. it doesn't get a family the health care they need when they get sick or injured. and in my opinion, that's unfortunate. and so for those who live up under those governorses who won't help them, i think those folks really need to figure out if they can do better. >> the democrats -- i'll give an example. i got a phone called today from a lady down in florida. she said she finally got into the exchange. she has tried every day to get on the phone, finally got in.

got the deal done. it's a platinum plan she is going to take. and she is going to save -- she and her husband are going to get a $2800 reduction in rates for the year. >> awesome. >> should the democrats you know, circle the wagons, mount the charge, go over the hill with these stories? i mean, this is where -- this is what's happening out there. yet all we're hearing is comparisons to iraq, comparisons to katrina. instead of, you know, $2800 to a middle class family is a hell of a lot of money. >> it's a lot of money. let me tell you this. the republicans tried to repeal the affordable care act, 45, 47 times. they tried to kill it in the supreme court and failed. they lost at the election at the voting booth and now trying to kill it again. i don't know why anybody is surprised that they're doing these things. of course, they are. i mean, because, look, if the affordable care act works, and it will, that's something that is dangerous to them politically. so they're trying to stop that from happening.

and we have to have the same level of fortitude to make sure it does work. >> and expanding medicaid in states creates jobs. >> yes, it does. >> another thing republican governors just don't want to see happen under the obama administration. >> well, how many good jobs bills have you seen from this republican house -- >> none. >> no, they're not into that. >> congressman, you can interview me any time. i love it. congressman keith ellison with us here on "the ed show" tonight. coming up, right wing media keeps the obama care rollout negativity just rolling on. plus, the five former bench warming baseball player makes an off-face remark about obama care and lands in tonight's pretenders. next, i'm taking your questions. "ask ed live." right here on msnbc. when you have diabetes like i do,

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think. it is worse in ways than this bay of pigs he is residing over. >> i don't think it's fixable. >> many of us are looking at this law saying this is headed off a cliff. no matter how well the train is running as it heads toward the cliff, if you know it's going to go off at some point. >> and none of those people have a fix or a plan, nor did they ever. the folks across the street might want to take a look at the latest polls, because even though they're devoted, the majority of their air time trying to turn the public against obama care, it hasn't had much of an effect, according to a new national journal poll. only 38% of americans support repealing the law. and numbers are all over the place. that's just 2% higher than it was in a poll conducted back in july after months of relentle fr mongering, support for repeal is a relatively small chain. less than the poll's margin of error. in fact, support for repeal has not increased significantly among any major group, except

republicans and noncollege white. so who are they polling? core democratic groups like minorities, young voters and college-educated whites. still support the law and these americans are overwhelmingly against repeal. joining me now, our rapid response panel, bob shrum, democratic strategist and professor at nyu, eugene robinson, pulitzer prize winning journalist. all right, gentlemen, another number for you, according to abc news "washington post" poll, excuse me, 57% of americans oppose the affordable care act. the national journal poll shows that 52% with a negative assessment of the law. gentlemen, let's start with you, mr. shrum. do you think that the media coverage has had an effect on this and on these numbers? >> oh, sure i do. and in the segments you showed at the beginning were ridiculous. for the most part, people were just asserting things, they weren't explaining anything. and for howard kurtz to chair this to accurate raikatrina whe

the city of new orleans was devastated is obscene. maybe he borrowed the line from somebody else. what's happening here, the press curve is behind what i think the reality curve is. in states that have exchanges, you're seeing enrollment surging far faster than they surged, for example, in massachusetts, when romney care was established, which is after all, very much the model for this. secondly, and it's a little noted statistic today. 90% of the people who first went to healthcare.gov, and were -- couldn't get through, and who received notices from the government and went back, are now getting through, getting to sign up, getting the kind of coverage they need, and getting coverage at pretty good prices. what happens today in the polls isn't what matters. what matters is what happens six months and a year from now when this system is in effect and people are getting coverage. >> eugene robinson, what's the remedy here? bob shrum points to some very significant things happening. the polling numbers are what they are. but do the democrats, in your

opinion -- eugene robinson, do they have to get out and tell more positive stories of things happening? what do you think? >> well, the basic remedy is keep calm, carry on, and fix the website. that has to be done. now, yes, democrats should be out there with the positive stories about what's happening in the states that have their own exchanges, what's happening with the -- with even the problematic website, which is getting better and better. but the most important thing, as bob said, is the poll that's going to be big months from now. and the election that's going to happen next year. president obama, by the way, doesn't have to face the voters again. but democrats do. and i think they're going to have a lot to run on. because, in fact, the you ask people, do you like obama care, no. do you like keeping your kids on your insurance policy until they're 26. yeah, i like that. do you like the fact that the medications that you were paying

for are free. yes, i like that. and so the specifics of it, people actually like a lot. >> now, that sound clip we played a montage just a moment ago, the word fraudulent was in there. may we point out, and maybe gentlemen disagree with me. that it is fraudulent to tell the american people that this law is going to be repealed. the president is never going to sign anything that's going to repeal obama care, or any part of it at all. the executive branch -- the house can vote all they want. harry reid is not going to take it up in the senate. so i mean, this is reporting that is being done on fox to even lead the american people down the road, thinking this law is going to be repealed is fraudulent. bob? >> well, listen, nick. they even tried out pat buchanan to make a comparison to a bay of pigs. i think pat knows he's off base. this isn't fraudulent in the sense that it's got its problems, just as the bush medicare prescription drug benefit did. the papers were writing, what a mess that rollout was.

i think inevitably, when you do something this big, you're going to have a lot of problems. that said, i wish they had done a much better job preparing for this. i wish they had run many more activiti tests. they didn't. you know those poll numbers you were citing? a lot depends on whether you ask people, whether you approve or disapprove of the law, whether you approve or disapprove of the features of the law. and most critically, the one you had at the beginning, do you want to repeal the law. only 38% of the people in that national journal poll want to repeal the law. i guess fox has more limited influence than they think they do. >> gene robinson, i referenced this earlier in this broadcast. i spoke to a lady on my radio show today, she called in and said she went through the exchange, finally got through, and is going to have a $2800 savings on her -- her health insurance premiums for the next year. now, if we were to poll, and you gentlemen have been around for a long time in polling. if we were to poll the american people, do you think it's good to get a $2800 on your

insurance? what do you think the answer would be? >> well, it's kind of obvious what the answer would be, bob. you know, look, the challenge for democrats and for the president is that this is a big new law, right? and it's about health insurance, which is a system that was all screwed up to begin with. so every year, before the affordable care act, millions of people had their policies cancelled by the insurance companies. when that happens now, it's all blamed on the affordable care act. you know, before -- before obama care, millions of people had their premiums go up every year and benefits go down. and so if anybody -- if some subset of people find that happening this year, again, it's all blamed on obama care. the dust has to settle a bit, i think more people on balance are going to find this a really good deal than are going to find it a bad deal. >> i want to talk about the president for just a moment. because at the end of last week when he came out and met the media in the pressroom, briefing

room in the white house, he seemed like down at the mouth. he seemed -- he didn't have a good step about him. i mean, he said, we fumbled it, took full responsibility. then he gets on air force one and goes to ohio and stands in front of steel workers and says, i'm going see this thing through! we're going to make this happen. and it's like a totally different president. gene, your thoughts on how it's being reported and being portrayed. is the mainstream media looking for negative angles on obama care? >> you think? i think they kind of -- >> is it affecting the president? >> look, you know all about the -- what i would call the high narrative, right we all buzz around and go in that direction for a while. and so this is the direction that seems to be the self reinforcing meme in the washington media right now. and it will change. why? because it always changes. so -- and so -- but people seem -- all the reporting seems to be

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welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. the workers of america. walmart workers win one round in their fight for fair working conditions and a livable wage. the relations board is pursuing charges against the nation's largest employer for threatening and punishing workers who planned to go on strike last year. the mlrb says walmart stores in more than a dozen states unlawfully threatened, disciplined, and terminated employees who participated in legal strikes on black friday last year. these charges come as walmart announced plans to be open and fully staffed on thanksgiving night. meanwhile, a food drive happening at one walmart location in ohio is raising awareness of the number of workers who can't afford thanksgiving. a former walmart employee who

says she was fired for organizing for better wages reacted on the food drive on rachel's show last night. >> with the food bins, they're asking people -- the associates to donate to their own associates. i mean, this is a multimillion dollar company. what do they want this associates to donate with? their food stamps? >> low paid walmart workers have had enough. one thing they can be thankful for is the mlrb is on their side. let's bring in mr. greenwald. we reached out to walmart for a statement, and here's what they said to us today. we look forward to continuing to work with the nlrb and using this opportunity to shed light on the facts. our focus is on serving our customers and continuing to provide opportunity for our associates. we're ready to have our best black friday ever and are on track to promote 160,000

associates. robert, what's your reaction to what walmart is reacting to by the decision of the nlrb? >> well, i think they're trying -- obviously, ed, they're trying to spin it as best they can. but this is really a historic decision. it's a very important moment where the nlrb is standing up for these very brave workers. i mean, can you imagine having a walmart job, scraping by, and yet willing to go out and strike and risk what you have in order to take on the largest company in the united states in terms of employees? so it's a turning point. and i think it's the beginning of something very important. and hopefully this friday all of the listeners, all of the viewers will get out there and join these workers. >> is this going to motivate walmart workers to do more strikes? i mean, could they -- or do you think the movement within the employment force nationwide is going to respond to this? >> well, i think it will

certainly encourage them, ed. when i interviewed many of these workers back when i did the film years ago, they were isolated, they were alone. what the folks at our walmart have done so wonderfully, bring them together, provide unity, provide support, and help these strikes, help these actions, and on black friday say no more. we're going to get out there and we're going to support these people who are putting everything on the line. >> your documentary holds very true to this day. the high cost of low price. capsulize it for us. >> well, we're all playing for the low prices. we're paying for it in social dollars and in actual dollars. the number of walmart employees who have to get government assistance because they're paid so little, the number of tax breaks that walmart gets, the number of tax breaks that the walton family gets, many have called them the greediest family in the world. >> are they? >> in the world.

well, i defy anyone to come up with an alternative. if they do, i suggest we have a contest, ed. and they send it to your tweet and mine and tell us who is greedier than the walton family. >> well, couldn't they afford, i mean, to do more for their workers to be the gold standard in every community that everybody wants to work there because it's so good? and they just continue to get away -- i mean, to have a historic decision by the nlrb saying they intimidated workers, is that going to hurt them in the sales arena? >> well, i don't know if it'll hurt them in the sales arena, but i think you're making an important point. look, this is a company that made $15 billion in profit. $15 billion. that's an enormous amount of money. again, think of what could be done with that. think of the raises they could provide to people and still be profitable. but unfortunately, built into the dna of this company and the

walton family is greed, greed, and more greed. >> pretty much speaking volumes that they are having the walmart in ohio holding a food drive for its own employees. what's your reaction to that? >> well, it's tragic and yet it's almost unbelievable and yet it's not. again, people are working. remember, these are people who are working and they don't pay them enough to get by on. that is disgusting. and that is what black friday will be about, calling this out. >> doesn't this open the door for another documentary from brave new films with this accusation? seriously. this is another big chapter with workers moving forward in this country. >> i believe it is a big chapter. it's important to call attention to what our walmart is doing. they're bringing workers together. that's really new. and workers are saying this is the only job i have, but i'm still going to strike. because it's not fair and i need a fair wage for my work. >> great to have you with us

tonight. appreciate your time. that's "the ed show." i'm ed shultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight from chicago. tonight's lead, out of jail. late this afternoon george zimmerman was released from a florida jail after posting $9,000. earlier he was in a courtroom in handcuffs and a prison jump suit. this time in connection with domestic charges that landed him behind bars yesterday. the judge ruled he cannot have a firearm or leave the state of florida. in a frantic 911 call yesterday, zimmerman's girlfriend said he pointed a shotgun at her. zimmerman denied that today as he faced the judge. >> do you have a question about any of these rights, mr.