>> ken had one, he says "shawshank redemption". don't mess with that great ending. >> added on too much. didn't need to see them mess with that. >> michael said how about "meatballs 2." why there was a "meatballs 1." >> "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ good morning. it is thursday, which means it's almost friday, november 21st. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have the chairman of deutsch incorporated, donny deutsch. you are wonderful.

nicole here. >> we have donny in full dress. >> i was about to thank donny to be so generous to my daughter's medical relief fun. >> i'm still traumatized from yesterday. pills aren't helping. >> visiting professor at nyu, harold ford jr. >> i owe you a check. >> will you >> we can get to $100,000. >> incredible. 15 years old raising that kind of money. >> 17. she was so confident. i'm so proud. >> and in chicago, msnbc and "time" magazine senior political

analyst mark halperin. joe is on his way in from arizona. he was at the republican association. talking about his book. he'll be stumbling into the door any minute. i don't know how he got there from late last night to this morning but it's reported he's in the city and on his way. >> motorcade. police motorcade. >> poor joe so, tired. >> let's start there. because there was a lot of news out of arizona this week. the nation's republican governors are in scottsdale, arizona for their annual conference fresh off his re-election victory as governor of new jersey. chris christie took over as the group's chairman. he spoke to nbc's kelly o'donnell about the traffic that lies ahead. >> are you getting encouragement? >> everybody is excited i'm

taking over the chairmanship. i'm looking forward to it. it will be a great year. 36 yearses, very fun. >> number one priority for you? >> re-elect republican governors. you're chairman of this organization that's it. you don't have any other agenda. your agenda is defend our incumbents and see if you can pick up a few seats. >> the challenge for him, i think, is to ward off, nicole, all the questions for a little while and do those two jobs, don't you? >> absolutely. i said it before here, really limit his exposure to the national media because it won't help him if he decides to run for president. >> to me, watching the clip i want to switch the channel. we're still two years away like if i'm him -- if you see hillary clinton anywhere? no. because when she comes forward it's going to be fresh and

you're going to want to lean in. >> that's also the difference in someone that has a day job and someone running. you can't hold that against chris christie. he's a very popular -- >> he doesn't have to be on four morning shows. clearly he's leading in. >> in fairness he did that after his important re-election. i think it's wise to see him back off a little bit so donny can refresh. >> yes. donny as add. we all want donny to be happy. >> he's got to govern new jersey and do that effectively. and then to donny's point, if he wants to do these things you just do them you don't say it. if he wants to show he's capable of being president he needs to lead new jersey first and then back off a little bit and lead this organization. >> it's also -- it's the

crowning jewel in the republican family right now. republican governor stars. those are our messengers. those are the people that can speak english. you go to washington and somehow republicans are speaking another language. so he is also in charge of preserving our most valuable asset. >> if he can do a good job there and be effective in new jersey that will help much more than any tv show. he's a charismatic guy. >> he should lay a little low. he'll meet a lot of donors. he has to re-elect a lot of governors in ohio, wisconsin, florida, et cetera. he has to learn to improve his skills. as talented as he is right now going into these states sometimes quietly, sometimes in a visible way how does he do on the ground in iowa or florida. he can get better known below

the radar. >> also work on policy concepts and by the way in terms of donors he has all the donors he needs. >> when you think about the treasure chest of the christies and walkers, on the democratic side of governor after cuomo is there any other with high visibility? >> i would agree. you don't have what you have on the republican side. >> other thing he has to do, it will be interesting to see if temperamentally he can adjust to these different states, different cultures, florida, iowa. >> everybody talks about that. >> it will be interesting to watch him. >> i hope he doesn't show a different side of himself depending on the state he goes to. john kerry used to eat a different sandwich depending on what the local food was. >> rudy giuliani too.

>> all right. that's different. >> what's different about that? >> he's a very acquired taste. >> i really like rudy giuliani but he had kind of a more closed harsh approach while christie has a humor to him and a different style and a different look. >> both cantankerous, both in your face. i saw him look pretty mean when he was screaming at a teacher. >> republicans see that's much needed, desperately needed passion. >> i agree with that. >> i want to visit harold's point. >> you don't yell at women in my political book. >> you can yell at me i'll yell back. no worries about that. thank you for that concern. >> you don't go to my house and do that. >> such a gentleman. i can take a debate. mark halperin did you want to

jump in? >> i agree. he's got to be him. we think of him as a tv character. he has to get on the ground in these states like iowa, south carolina and meet people. even though we think we know him he's got to meet people. one on one relationships in a country this big they matter a ton. >> when he does that very, very well so be very interesting. all right. while we're on it, ohio governor john kasich weighed in on what republicans need to do to start winning more elections. >> it's jobs. it's jobs that elected roosevelt, the other roosevelt, reagan. reagan got elected because we were mired in a deep, deep recession and he said we can have a better way. but it all does get back to jobs and the party that can show people that they can get you to work, that they can improve your income, those are the ideas we need to promote. >> like bob mcdonnell in

virginia. like a lot of the governors who actually have been more effective. sometimes it isn't that difficult. >> he's not a dark horse john isn't. i've served with him in congress. he's the guy, i think, if you put aside the christies and big names you hear on the stage right now he's a guy -- he and walker both -- but he has a national profile that's larger than walker's. be interesting to see if kasich if he's re-elected who knows, likely he will be, if he can translate that into a national platform. >> joe is moderating some panels with these guys and gals and rick perry was a part it -- >> who? >> rick perry. before you say a word he was so kind and nice. you know, he was lampooned for the election process. >> thick skin.

>> those texas guys, it was quite charming. obviously we all have our different opinions but we got raked over the coals and could not have been nicer to joe and everybody else. we have new polling shoeing the flawed obama care website can't get fixed fast enough for the president. it really can't. according to new cbs news polls, 61% have a negligence via view of obama care. president obama has 32% of americans approving of the way he's handling health care. that's his lowest rate judging. the poll finds 31% believe problems with the website are an isolated issue however 63% think signs of more widespread problems to come. overall just 15% of voters think

obama care will help them. 39% say it will do more harm than good. mark halperin, i don't want -- i know what will happen if i am too forceful with this argument but this is in the middle of all the glitches. >> i will tell you without being i hhype hyperbollic big supporters of the law are concerned if poll numbers turn quickly it may be difficult for the president to talk about the positive aspects of the law. it's a crisis that needs to be addressed on substance and on politics and you can see in the white house they are trying to balance being optimistic with

recognizing there are problems and real concerns. every poll showing the same thing. we've seen a bunch of national polls. not just with the health care but affecting how people see the president. >> the white house has pointed to a new report showing annual increases in health care costs may be slowing. the council of economic advisors says cost inflation is at its lowest point in 50 years with expenditures up only 1.3% from 2010. the report says reduced costs for employers could add as many as 400,000 jobs per year by the end of the decade but republicans are critical of the report saying the slow down is due to a sluggish economy not obama care. as for the website healthercare.gov there's new evidence of red flags leading up to the launch. a september 25th e-mail acquired by fox news shows the website's project manager expressing

concern that healthercare.gov would not be ready on october 1st. he writes i am picturing in my mind all the major print and online publications taking screen shots of what is below and just ramping up the hyperbole about health care.gov not functional. kathleen sebelius met with some of the so-called navigators in south florida, the website went down. >> this is a disaster. we have asked the american people to behave differently. when was the last time we asked the entire country to do something differently. now doing that it better be right and we clearly know it has not been.

my concern is the war of anecdotes going forward. i can't get my old insurance. or i have cancer are so much more intense, than the positive anecdotes. so that's my big concern. the only shot the president has is and people won't be happy with it is what i call a five year narrative. two things will be happening. we'll lower the growth in health care costs which we're starting to see and more people will have insurance. but this is a five, ten year proposition. won't make people happy today. this at this point is only map. >> you can be right. the fundamental problem for him is what happens with democrats in the senate who are up for reelection. we might see in three or four years but that's not fast enough for democrats in the house or

senate. the website problems i thought a week or two ago were more isolated. it could be a more systemic challenge and a greater honesty, not honesty, a greater acceptance they got to step back passenger shut the whole thing down which many have suggested. limping along like this there's risk on both sides. limping along doesn't serve anybody. the next big challenge is there's not enough doctors in the system. you get 30 million people signed up we don't have enough physicians to accommodate. i hope they are thinking through these things. these challenges are big and hurtful. >> these are the political problems. their biggest problem is that the american people were skeptical from go. this was not a lot of pass with majority of americans.

this was the most liberal supporters of president obama. i hear mostly democrats complaining about it. >> those are the people who you can feel -- >> in the view of most republicans and the media. the political problems are, i think are pretty obvious. this is a teachable moment as president obama might say about when you pass a law that affects everyone in this country, this affects -- >> when was the last piece of legislation. i can't think of it that affects everybody. >> it passed with such partisan brittle legislation. >> trust me i got more ahead here from mark halperin which will show what a marketing disaster this is. what's being left behind for your party and i'll ask you the question too. this is the question that gets asked of us on the road. his book writes about the future of the republican party.

one of the points he makes it illuminated every where we went which is why do republicans not want americans to have health care? >> that's what they think. and the republicans ability to answer that question is every bit as important as the obama administration's ability to fix everything that's been wrong. >> because republicans ensured this didn't work. >> that's not fair. republicans have to step into the spotlight now -- >> you don't think that's true? did you see what happened with the shutdown? they were make being sure as best they could in every little bit of their power to shut this thing down. >> well, i think republicans believe as many americans now believe, 61% of them that the law is a bad idea. but republicans have to propose an alternative for ensuring -- listen republican governors have a whole lot of ideas about how medicaid is administered, they have a whole lot of ideas of

expanding eligiblity that exists. you can't malign the entire republican governor for having no ideas. republican fwofrs are on the front lines. in washington republicans -- >> in washington what you're left with in retrospect if this gets fixed is a president who botched a roll out but in total wanted americans to have access to health care and somehow got it done come hell or high water and republicans who don't want americans to have access to health care and want americans to continue to pay for everybody's emergency room costs. that's what people -- >> that was always the argument. the problem is his argument is not coming to fruition. >> i don't think it's very good for the republican party for the way it happened. halperin i got this one for you. ohio governor john kasich in arizona he talked about the problems surrounding the health

care law and to give this a bigger picture he says they go back to ooh different democrat who may be considering another run for the white house. take at that look. >> you got a bunch of people who are either, you know, operating in some university somewhere in some ivory tower somewhere putting together one sixth of the u.s. economy. who thought this would work? i would have to tell you, this is hilary care because when you don't have ideas and you're not positive a void was created down there and the void got filled with a plan designed by frankly i think most people this were fearless. >> halperin? >> most of these ideas, the core of this idea comes from republican organization called the heritage foundation. john is not being fully honest. republicans laid out the idea a larger pool allows you to do

more things in the health care system. >> this was a conservative concept that's dome fruition, by the way, halperin. >> historically that's right, harold. but the president is the one that passed it into law. you'll see a lot of people and not just hillary clinton but bill clinton and other democrats speak up and defend the law. the president clinton criticized the part about people not keeping their policies. the president, president obama is out there alone right now. it's easy for john kasich and republican members of congress to cherry pick the negative aspects of this. whoever the democrats nominate for president in 2016 have to repudiate obama care or embrace it. now you see democrats super worried this is not a thing to run on as a great achievement. the president has to do something dramatic. >> kasich had a chance to offer

some form of alternative. he's a smart guy. he went after hilary. >> i'll tell you, a very compelling and scary word that was hilary care. >> that's all about republicans primary. >> that's a scary word. >> coming up education secretary arne duncan will be here, chuck todd and later oscar nominated actor casey affleck. up next the top stories from the political playbook. but first here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> the cold is here to stay and it will only get worst this upcoming weekend for the east coast. midwest if you have travel issues they will be in areas line denver, rain in dallas, raining in kansas city and st. louis. this blue line is the freezing line. white is snow. snowing in denver. chilly rain right now.

oklahoma to kansas spreading up to missouri. we'll get significant snow later tonight and tomorrow. mountains of colorado and northern new mexico, possibility of up to 6 to 12 inches of snow. the cold is on its way. i highlighted cut bank, montana. minus 15 with a wind chill of minus 32. so cloudy, rainy day from texas to ohio and then that chill is on its way. look at detroit this upcoming weekend high temperatures near 32 to upper 20s. lows in the teen and that's not factoring in that cold child wind. looks like winter is here to stay. nice shot of lady liberty out in the harbor of new york city. you're watching "morning joe".

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♪ time now to take a look at the morning papers from our parade of papers "the miami herald" in florida, prosecutors are dropping the charges against two girls accused of bullying a classmate before she committed suicide. the girls age 12 and 14 were each standing trial on stalking charges. they were arrested after a 12-year-old, rebecca sedwick jumped to her death in september. >> "chicago tribune," the tribune company will lay off several00 employees across its publications. it restructured its division to

stream line its operations and focus more on digital. >> "wall street journal" a mix up in the skies overnight has left a large plane stranded at a small arraignment. a boeing 747 dream lifter, cargo plane was supposed to land at mcconnell air force base in kansas. instead, it landed at an airport eight miles away. whoops. the plane might be there for a while. it needs a runway of longer than 9,000 feet to take off. >> let's move to "the dallas morning news." a new law will require buses to have seat belts. won't apply to city buses or school buses. 8,000 people are injured and 21 people are killed each year in bus accidents. 70% of those deaths involve people being ejected. >> from england, the independent. the norwegian army is going

vegetarian kind of. soldiers are being forced to follow a vegetarian diet once a week to help cut down on consumption of ecologically unfriendly foods. the army hopes it will scale back its contribution to global warming. >> the "boston globe," a new study says eating nuts can help you live longer. nut eaters were far less likely to die from various causes, and participants who regularly ate nuts less likely to die from cancer and heart disease. eating nuts helped participants to stay thin. the twinkie survey will be out in six months. >> what about ben and jerry's ice cream? >> no. they say no. "usa today" a 33-year-old man

from virginia racked up over $200,000 worth of fines for unpaid tolls since 2009. why would do you that? jason said he drove from his home from washington for 3 1/2 years without paying tolls. he blames his friend who told him he could drive the road for free after 11:30 p.m. he settled in court with a virginia department of transportation agreeing to may $150 a month from now until 2067 when he'll be 87 years old. >> i love that story. >> how do you get through those tolls? >> they take pictures. >> they do. that's why he owes. >> they found him. >> i thought it took a few years to find him. >> efficiency of government. it will be paid in full in 2070. >> with us now chief white house correspondent for politico mike allen here with the morning playbook. mike, we'll start with your

feature on how senator mike lee is stepping out of ted cruz's shadow. smart thing. here's how the "new york times" frames the relationship. lee sees america's biggest problem as a slow-burning social crisis rather than a failure of beltway grand bargaining and as a result his policy goals are socially conservative, communitarian and populist rather than corportist. while lee is clearly offering a sketch, an outline, of a be conservatism. will he fit in the republican party or will he have the ted cruz label? >> this san effort to get away from that and to say republican party needs more than tanningry

party. when we talked to him and asked about whether or not there should be a shutdown threat in january the next time that there's an opportunity for it he said no. like i would love to see obama care defunded but that won't happen. he's trying to show conservative activists show his party that it's possible to win on a broader slate of issues. he and senator cruz going into the last obama care fight arm in arm. this time as he travels the country he's saying that there has to be a different approach this time. >> all right. hold on, nicole. mark halperin wants to jump in. >> this is a group of people who are still trying to sort out who is king of the hill and particularly with the focus this week on the republican governors meeting i think you'll see some members of congress whether they want to run for president or not try to reassert they are not an irrelevant wing of the party. people like mike lee, ted cruz

who can get national media attention will start pushing back. you saw yesterday with scott walker on the program and the clip you showed of paul ryan disagreeing with his friend that's it's not inevitable. there's rivalry because they don't want to give everything to the governors. >> i agree with that. i think this attention that mike lee is getting for his core beliefs is the other half of what the republican party is so hungry for. he does speak to such an important element, this hunger for republican party that proudly speaks about social conservatism, that does it in a way that doesn't demonize the other side but adds a human and compassionate side. i'm curious, mike, if you found he feels all his authenticity and base of support does he feel that was jeopardized or setback at all with his associates with

ted cruz? >> you're making a great point about what he's saying that's appealing and, yes, this is a real concession. this is a change in where he was, an admission that for all of them to lock arms is not a good idea. so, as mark says he's not only separating himself but also he's saying that just as we've been hearing on "morning joe" that the future of the marital is not going to be as the angry or side lined party. >> all right. politico's mike allen. thank you so much. coming up, alex rodriguez is making a lot of noise about his arbitration hearing. why he walked out and doesn't plan to go back. sports is next. ♪

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time for sports. we start with a blockbuster trade in the world of baseball. prince fielder heading from detroit to texas along with a lot of cash. >> how much? >> tigers are sending $30 million to texas just so they will take him. he has 168 million on his salary over the next several seasons,

texas still paying a lot of money. why were the tigers eager to part with him. this is his post-season statistical set up. in milwaukee the first couple there in his post-season he had a .225 and no home runs. >> you'll see a lot less long-term contracts. they are all disasters. cano will have a big wake up call. >> be interesting to see how many years he gets. so rangers out there, david murphy is heading to cleveland. why to we care? we found out through his daughter's daycare. reportedly his daughter told all the teachers in daycare her daddy was going an indian. i want got the media. that's how we found out he got into cleveland. a reporter picked up on that, a-rod this is interesting because i want you and nicole, since we usually talk mail in

sports. the third baseman stormed out of his grievance hearing after the arbitrator ruled that bud selig didn't have to testify. baseball released a statement quote the commissioner has not testified in a single case. a-rod went on the radio to vent. >> i lost my mind. i banged the table and kicked a brief case and slammed out of the room and just felt that the system -- i knew it was restricted and i knew it wasn't fair but what we saw today is just -- it was disgusting and the fact that the man from milwaukee that put the suspension on me with not one bit of evidence, something i didn't do, and he doesn't have the courage to come look at me in the eye and tell me this is why i did two eleven. i shouldn't serve one inning and this guy should come to our

city, i know he doesn't like new york. i love this city. i love being a yankee. my daughters grew up in new york. for this guy the embarrassment that he put me and my family through and he doesn't have the courage to come see mean tell me this is why i'm going destroy your career. whether you like me or not, what's wrong is wrong. and the system is wrong. and whether you're in federal court or state court or in kangaroo court, players need protection. >> you buying it? >> didn't he blow up like the michelin man? i'm curious. do we have any pictures -- >>'s a lot bigger than when he started his career but there's no actual positive test. >> all the documentation. he's got a big head. brian, there's evidence that this guy juiced and he's delusional. this is the most unlikable sports figure in our era. he's just a jerk.

this guy is so out of touch. i used to live in the same buildi building as him. he's a jerk. designee actually believes he didn't. but maybe he didn't. i would like to know what condition he had that made him blow up like the michelin man. i'm serious. because all the symptoms were there, correct. >> not just based on that. there's been so much documentation. >> i'm not defending him. i'm just saying there has never been a positive test. >> he's involved in a legal process. >> speaking of steroids, really the person that broke the entire steroid scandal is jose conseco. he was pulled over with a couple of diaper wearing goats.

>> why are they in diapers. >> he and his girlfriend were according to him traveling to shoot a new documentary on his fainting goats. youtube videos on fainting goats is kind of a big deal. >> i interviewed him a bunch of times on my old cnbc show. he's an entertaining fellow. >> he broke the steroid story wide-open. >> i was about to say the same thing. >> my personal hero is up next. >> miles nadal joins us for the much readed opinion pages. don't go away. we'll be right back.

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before we get to the must read opinion pages, miles nadal who founded the global relief fund. >> she found it. i backed it. >> trying to get to $100,000. harold ford we're at 90. harold ford jr. capped it off. >> we'll have one more child, another 10,000. >> the event was so wonderful. donny and nicole you both were so generous. my daughter on the left was the host. we raised money for children who were wounded in war zones and natural disasters around the world. these are some of these amazing kids. those two boys sang.

it was so moving. and there was so much love in the room. there's my family. my girls. we're going to do it again next year and double it. >> absolutely. 100%. and the founder was so appreciative of the support from you and emily and your whole family and that's what they need. they need to broaden the constituencies that follow it. they saved 200 children already who have lost limbs, got shot in the eye. >> lost eyes. >> complete facial reconstruction and this woman is a saint. i don't even know how she figured,000 bring them across the border, get the doctors to do the surgeries for free, get johnson & johnson to donate medical supplies. it is quite miraculous what she's accomplished. it is truly the global medical relief fund. >> they make little ambassadors that go back. >> and the magic is watching

children connecting with children, because we can all talk and we -- a lot of adults come after this after they are able to. they have some professional success and able to give back. this new generation, your daughter's generation is doing it all at once. >> we didn't even think of that growing up. >> we didn't know about it. >> so it's great -- >> so awesome. my mother said when i was on my way to your event, i wish you guys had done that in high school. you might have turned out better. it's so important that your daughters are growing up with this as part of her life. >> she's financially competitive. we got to do better next year. >> a shout out to miles as a great example of when -- he runs a huge corporation but gets involved in these things personally. i think it's a moral imperative to get involved that way. let's do one must read.

"wall street journal," worst than obama care. the obama care train wreck is plowing through the white house in super slow-mo on screens every where, splintering reputations and presidential approval ratings. no question. it's tough on barack obama. but what about the rest of us? for many americans the obama leadership meltdown began five years ago. in fall 2008 the u.s. suffered its worst financial crisis. that wasn't barack obama's fault. but five years on in the fall of 2013 the country's economy is still sick. washington these days kvetches a lot about what healthercare.gov is doing to the obama legacy. far worse than obama care, though, is that the 44th president in his second term presides over a great night that is punching so far below its

weight. there are some signs of improvement but such a different landscape than it was before and some people who are at a later stage in their careers who are out of work. >> well, the reality is the uncertainty that exists in washington and the anticipation that there will be a logjam again in january and february, and there will be no fiscal resolution to putting together a budget to move the economy forward has made corporate america just basically freeze. and so until you have stability you'll not have consistent job employment. and the problem -- like even on obama care, forget about the fact that it's not doing what it was supposed to do, it's costing a fortune and being ineffective. and that's the combination that really is very difficult. but, in order to have consistent growth of the economy you need stability, you need policies

that -- i mean you speak to as many ceos as i do. they are not prepared to make commitments of capital spending and job creation. isn't that case? >> mark, i want to ask you a question. we use the e worked economy. the "wall street journal" says the economy is still sick. there's two economies. every time you say the word economy you have to separate main street and wall street because it is very frothy in the 50 blocks around where we're sitting right now. >> well, look there's no question that part of why the president wanted to do health care is because he said it would be better for the economy in the long run. he's never made that case and burned that end and the current problems with the health care thing are only making people think the health care plan is adding instability and a drag on the economy even though the president feels strongly long term that's not the case. until people get a sense of stability i don't think the economy will roar. look he's got time in this term

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encouragement? >> oh, yeah everybody is excited that, you know, i'm going to take over the chairmanship and i'm getting great response from donors and my fellow governors. it's going to be a great year. >> number one priority for you? >> re-elect republican governors priority number one, two and three. when you're chairman of this organization that's it. you don't have any other agenda. defend our incumbents and pick up a few seats. >> welcome back to "morning joe." joining us from chicago former senior adviser to president obama, director of university of chicago institute of politics and msnbc contributor david axelrod. and in washington, good lord, big group today. nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director host of the daily rundown, chuck todd. joe. >> you see chris christie out

there at the governor's association. i'm telling you, nicole, the only other republican, you know, in area code, i can tell you -- >> area code, time zone. >> you go washington, you see the dysfunction. you go to the republican governor's association and you hear these reform ideas coming from conservatives, but conservatives who are worrying about connecting their conservative values to not just helping businesses grow but helping the poor and the disadvantaged. how they take care of people who show up in emergency rooms. suddenly you realize -- there's my good friend john kasich. we had john kasich talking not hard not to be excited about the future of the republican party. i'm really excited about the future of the republican party because i don't know what that future is, but do i know this.

it doesn't come out of washington, d.c. >> yeah. our history as a party is to rally around our successful governors, the governors who don't balance budgets by demagoguing entitlements or talk about taking things away. they balance their budget because their state constitutions require them to do so. our governors have the ability to reach across the aisle not about squishing themselves up but it's required by law. i'm curious who did you hear from that we're not talking about in this time zone? >> i would tell you something, david axelrod will know this too. rick perry who -- >> very charming. >> i was kind of tough to. a little tough. i apologized to his wife yesterday. >> good. >> but, you know what, david, you understand this because you've been through it and nicole you understand this. john kasich actually talked

about it on stage with rick perry and he said you talk to rick perry about texas, you talk to him about governing and man he's charming and he's fantastic and he really is. but on that stage where they squeeze you into a little box and you're supposed to answer in 30 seconds and instead of how do you bring growth to america like you bring growth to texas it's about evolution and it's about abortion and one divisive issue after another. and i sat there talking to six, seven leaders several of whom may run for president one day, man, is this any way to elect the president? it's so stilted and stupid. >> those debates give a forum to the most strident voices in either party. it gives a forum for that kind of discussion. but i'm interested, though -- i

always listen to you guys rhapsodize about republican members. what is your take about people with pre-existing conditions to make sure they don't get thrown off. is there an alternative health care that impressed you. >> heard from bobby jindal who, obvioiusly is the head of the conference saying it to everybody at dinner. hey, we got to take care of people with pre-existing conditions. we got make sure health insurance is more affordable. again, people weren't there laying out long specific ideas. what i did notice, though, was a

complete reversal from what we heard in 2012, again, from republicans especially on the national stage, and a real understanding that one, washington republicans just aren't connecting with the middle class and are not connecting with the working class. and two, especially from john kasich who said we got to start focusing on people who live in the shadows of our great success. and understanding that this party, our party will continue falling behind if we don't just stop being the party of wider, older, wealthier men. >> look, i think the great opportunity exists is for someone to take the leadership position on what i think is the core issue and that's about job creation. if we stimulate the economy we create economic growth of 3% or more, it's a lot easier to fund all of the essential programs and initiatives around health

care, around education, around employment for underprivileged or young people. it's a lot easier when you have the resources. the number one issue, in my opinion, jack welch reiterated this, job growth stimulates. >> we have john kasich talking about some of these issues. take a look. >> it's jobs. it's jobs that elected roosevelt, the other roosevelt. reagan. reagan got elected because we were mired in a deep, deep recession and he said we can have a better way. it all does get back to jobs. and the party that can show people that they can get you to work, that they can improve your income, those are the ideas we need to promote.

>> alex who is sitting next to john kasich. you had, of course, rick perry. but it is -- there s-chuck todd, i know you talk to these governors. there's so many of them that are so sharp compared to some of the bunglers we see every day in washington, d.c. you do get a sense that the republican party is going to a deep bench outside of d.c. in 2016. >> the event this week seems to be more about these governors desperately trying to wrestle the party away from washington. right? obviously the polls show that that's the right thing to do, number one. but you can just feel that tension just how, you know, how moderate in tone these governors were.

i mean it was like they were just screaming at washington, boy you guys have just so messed up the republican party right now. and everything is about distancing themselves from washington. i don't blame them. i think that's right. it will be -- you know the question is a lot of these guys, they've escaped some of the conservative base wrath because the base of the republican party is so upset at the federal government they sort of concentrate all their energy on house and senate races as it is so governors have been in some ways shielded from this. but if they actually enter the presidential arena, you know, some of them -- they will never have seen something like this, right? it's going to be a different conversation they have when they enter the national -- in many ways the governors it's a cou cocoon. >> new polling shows the flaw of

obama care website can't get fixed fast enough. 61% now have a negative view of obama care. a new low for the poll. 31% approve of the president's health care law. president obama doesn't fare much better with 32%. 32% of americans approving of the way he's handling health care. that's his lowest rating on the issue since cbs asked the question four years ago. poll also finds 31% believe the problems with the website are an isolated issue. however, 63% think there are signs of more widespread problems to come. and overall just 15% of voters think obama care will help them. 39% say it will do more harm than good. >> harold? >> looking at these numbers and the question you asked of joe about answers from republicans, you are right they need an alternative. the reality is this is our plan, we own it, and this is the

answer we had to the growing health care cost problem in the country. what recommendations do you have and which are you sharing with the administration on how to deal with this. not just these numbers but make this program work. >> i did ask that question because we hear a lot of talk about repeal. we don't hear replace. 3.1 million people under 26 have insurance now who didn't have it before this law. 17 million kids with pre-existing conditions can no longer be excluded from their family insurance because of this law like my child would have been back in the day. 105 million americans can no longer be thrown off their insurance because of lifetime caps when they get seriously ill. 8.5 million americans have gotten rebate checks because their insurance companies were spending too much money on executive bonuses and administrative costs and not enough on health care. that's the reality of the affordable care act.

we've had the lowest period of increase or the slowest rate of increase in costs as the cea said yesterday since the '60s. so my advice would be to emphasize these stories. all over this country there are being people being helped including the half million who got insurance since october 1st because of this plan. that's what should be emphasize. there's a whole other story out there. >> david, let me ask you. we talked last week or maybe tuesday, there's a compelling case to be made on which everyone can connect and that's about wanting health security for the children, especially children with pre-existing conditions but that's never the debate that was had. that was never the conversation that president obama had. instead it became very partisan very quickly. i wonder if there's any remorse on the part of the white house that they didn't slow this down, they didn't try to bring along some republicans who would have given them extraordinary amount of much needed cover at this

point. >> nicole, you're sensibly out of washington and working on novels and stuff when some of this was going on. but i was there. i was in the white house. i was there when republican senators came in for hours at a time and sat with the president and one senior senator who voted for a similar plan in the past met with the president, they agreed on almost everything. the president said we agree on almost everything. can you support this? not one less you get ten other republicans because the policy is not to support this. if it was partisanized don't lay it on the president. the republican party as senator mcconnell said had a policy they didn't want to work with the president on any major bill that would connote he figured things out. we spent six months trying to get republican support on the bill. we ran into a blockade on that. as between that and having a law that protects the american people, that gives people health

care that don't have it, that holds down the cost of health care and growth of health care i'm glad he moved forward. >> miles? >> david, i'm in the marketing and advertising business. the president -- >> i used to be. >> and the president had great success using the internet, using social media. so the president is very sophisticated technologically. the feedback in the marketing services community why wasn't there proper preparation to deal with the onslaught of demand that would come through the website, to organize it, to deal with that in advance and to delay the implementation until the infrastructure and technology was in place and proved to be foolproof before you pushed the button because as will rogers said you never get a second chance to make a first impression. the problem is that even if the fundamentals of the plan are good, if you can't access it, your impression is extremely

negative. and it makes you ill prepared to deal with,000 navigate a website that's not proper. why wasn't it tested in advance, why wasn't it delayed -- >> no argument here. as someone who was there and fought very hard to get this law passed, i'm as outraged as anybody about how this thing rolled out and i think you ask very good questions. but, the fact is looking back doesn't get you very much. you have to look forward now and it seems to me and from everything identify heard the "l.a. times" wrote about it this week things are improving day-by-day more and more people are signing. remember in massachusetts where they had some problems but not these big problems, 123 people signed up for that health care plan after governor romney passed it, 123 people in the first month. it gained momentum. when the deadline was arriving, there was a big rush of people. i think you're going to see the same thing here.

>> all right. moving on, the u.s. military appears one step closer to having american troops in afghanistan beyond the end of next year. secretary of state john kerry has announced a preliminary agreement between u.s. and afghan officials. the "new york times" reports the deal could keep american forces on the ground through 2024. it would also include billions of dollars of international assistance. other reports say the deal will be limited to counterterrorism and training of afghan force. the obama administration isn't giving specifics. but it is pushing back on suggestions that america will be fighting the war well into the future. a white house official says it's completely wrong to suggest u.s. troops will be in afghanistan until 2024 as we were discussing yesterday in this document. one thing we know will not be included in the deal is an apology by the u.s. yesterday secretary kerry made it clear that will not be

happening. >> let me be clear, president karzai didn't ask for an apology, there was no discussion of an apology, there will be -- there is no -- it's just not even on the table. he didn't ask for it. we're not discussing it. it's very important for president karzai to know that issues that he's raised with us for many years have been properly addressed. very important for us to know that issues we have raised with him for a number of years have been properly addressed. the agreement will speak for itself. when the agreement is approved. >> the framework agreed upon by secretary kerry and president karzai must now be approved by the afghan grand council of elders. the council consists before 3,000 leaders all vetted by the karzai government. that's a tough job. >> chuck, this just continues. troops in afghanistan for

several more years. >> yeah, i guess they need to come up, the white house -- i got that same e-mail claiming that isn't true yet they produced -- then what is it? they haven't said exactly what is it. everything we've seen, every actual piece of evidence, the piece of paper we've seen said 2024 on this. that's conventional foreign policy thinking that, you know, bipartisan consensus among some foreign policy folks that you got to have some residual force there particularly if you want to deal with counterterrorism and particularly with al qaeda. the issues are isn't this really a glorified security force for the karzai government, right, in -- because there's concern if karzai is gone or his government is gone then suddenly there will be instability again and then when there's instability it becomes a safe-haven. the issue is politically there's just no appetite -- yesterday i thought it was interesting there was a bipartisan group of senators.

the oregon guys, and rand paul and mike lee put a joint statement out saying you know what? we want to vote on this afghanistan deal. congress gets to pull the purse string. but they want to vote specifically and basically the strong, the strong hint on this release was hey, if we're going keep trooms in harm's way beyond 2014 let congress have a sane this. guess what? if congress does i think there's a growing sort of just get out consensus on capitol hill. >> chuck, we've been talking about this around this table nonstop since 2009 since the president talked about tripling the number of troops saying it was a terrible mistake, it was mission creep that would drag on and on and on and we're talk now about 2024? miles, let's put it this way. we got kids who were like in

kindergarten when 9/11 happened that are going to still be in harm's way in afghanistan. >> joe, born after 9/11. >> born after 9/11 that will still be in harm's way. this is mission creep. why can't we just get out? we continue to spend over -- collapse into what? into what? this is the argument. they always say -- by the way, we've been saying since 2009 you can always have that argument. what happens when we leave? >> you know what happens when we leave? it goes back to how it's been for the past 3,000 years. americans want those troops home. >> what's really on the minds of people i talked to in business is let's look at the costs from day one and where they are today on an annualized basis, what we expect we would spend throughout the course of the period and where we are. i think if you see the numbers you would vomit.

then you would say, okay, so what's the opportunity costs of using that investment and where could we deploy it elsewhere and would it have greater impact domestically against the priorities you have. >> mika makes the critical point here what would happen is collapse and collapse would -- you can disagree, i know everyone disagrees but for that to collapse we would return to a pre-9/11 condition on the ground and it's a legitimate debate. but i'm proud that the administration is taking the position -- >> tissue is what's the level of commitment for what period of time. >> a 23 year commitment if you think about this after 2000. they have to make the case. the president has to make this case. >> what happens in the 24th year? what happens in the 25th year? what happens in the 35th year? it's always going to collapse. it's afghanistan. these are people that took like alexander the great to the wood shed. these are people that beat the

british empire at the height of their power. i hate to repeat it, you know. >> you know what they told me they looked at me and they said you got the watches, we got the time. >> we heard that. it's true, chuck todd. it doesn't matter how long young americans go over there and get shot at, afghanistan the 25th, 30th, 35th year we leave the next day always comes and it goes back to how it was. >> here's the thing. we have a model -- the whole counter insurgency conversation, counter terrorism, we apparently have a model that works. okay. if you look at yemen, you know, and this is kind of on the tone, an unfunded, untalked about, undebated part of the conflict that takes place. but it certainly got far fewer members of the military in harm's way when we're dealing

with -- when we're trying to deal with terrorists whether in north africa or yemen. suddenly with afghanistan there's this sense no there needs to be an infrastructure of troops in the country in order to keep the stability and i talked to a lot of military experts who think these american troops, while right now the idea is they are there to deal with any terrorism threats from al qaeda in that ungoverned area, stability and all that that they are going to end up fighting the taliban. they will end up being dragged into what essentially is a civil war in afghanistan. >> david axelrod, given the conversation "around the table" and having been on the inside, is there any possibility, remote possibility that we might have over simplified the issue? >> look. i'm sympathetic to the points that joe and others are raising. the easiest line in politics is to say you know the nation we need to build is our own, let's bring the resource home.

that's a popular argument. i think chuck is right, congress will be suede by that argument. here's the reality. yes there's 3,000 years of history. the world is a much smaller place. if anybody thinks we can turn our back and pretend what happens there doesn't affect us here has a short memory. there are real threats in that region. the question is how much do we need to do to protect americans here. its easy for us to sit "around the table" and wrestle with it. it's hard when you have the responsibility to protect 300 million americans. >> david axelrod thank you very much. up next education secretary arne duncan is here. what he's doing address some big challenges in the classroom. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso.

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teachers talking about parents who are really, really having a tough time and they were talking kind of about the intricacies of it and the challenges there. yet you made a comment about white suburban moms. it sounded like you were frustrated but it inassaulted lot of people. >> you sounds, there are a lot of people really angry. you know how i know this? because my twitter feed has been packed about four days about people being angry. >> oh, my lord, me too. >> what were you getting at. >> my wording was clumsy. my message was simple. when you raise standards that's a challenging thing. i was challenging state school chief officers to do a better job articulating why raising standards is better for all children. what's happened to many states they dummy downed standards. we were lining to families and children. when you lie to children, only group that benefits, guess who that is? it's politicians. children lose, parents close

ultimately our country loses. many states around this country doing very hard work of raising standards, it's the right thing but we have to better communicate that to parents. that was the message. >> so we can maintain our competitiveness in the world, we do have to keep the bar high. >> hold on a second. let's go back. nicole, explain if you will because we've heard this before, isn't there a feeling in the obama administration likes to sorts of divide and conquer. that's what conservative people say. >> exactly. and i accept the misspeak. i do it every time i'm on live television. i think there's a sense among republicans and i know that actually your mission unites people across the aisle so it's ironic you ended up in this position but there's a sense among republicans that this viewing the country and viewing the obama administration policies through this lens of

highly sliced and diced. >> when you dummy down standards in the line of children that affects all children. >> even white children. >> even more affluent societies. every child needs high standards. that was my simple point. we need a better job of articulating to parents why we want their children to be competitive not in their district or state. our children are smart, as talented as creative as children anywhere else. we need to level the playing field. they are competing for jobs with children in india, china, singapore. we need to come together to help our students be successful. best way to do that is with great teachers. >> do you feel hampered -- your role is really the ideally not a partisan one but do you feel hampered the hyper politicalized view through which most americans view the white house. >> my job is to fight children.

i've worked with everyone republican, democrat, we want to reduce the drop occupant rates n-crease high school graduation rates. make sure children are going to some form of higher education. we're fighting for a stronger economy. let's just work together on behalf of kids. let's fight children. >> mr. secretary, one of the challenges with the common core is the implementation of it. you're finding opposition from people who thought children were doing and women found out they weren't. but there's criticism how this thing success implemented. >> spot on about what? >> spot on -- >> about white suburban moms? >> he's spot on when you find out people who believe their kids are learning, who believe their schools are fine. when you apply their kids and put their kids up against the globe they not only lose but the country loses. i think that's the point he was

make. the implementation of the common core there's been challenges to it. how do you respond to that? >> again, we all have to work together. change shard. when you raise the bar, when you jump over one-foot hurdle and trying to jump over a two-foot hurdle that's difficult. we need to talk to students. this is what we're asking of you. this is was required. most important thing we can do is support great teachers in this implementation and today we want to talk about recruiting the next generation of teachers to come in. that's what this campaign is about, bringing in the next generation of great talent into our nation's classrooms. >> what was the frustration that you were expressing in that comment, though? because it really did resonate. >> very simple. i was challenging education lead towers communicate how important and how difficult this transition is. again there's nothing easy about raising standards and that's

what i was trying to do. >> take on union, i take on those in my own party. this has nothing to do with race. you have african-american leaders that are wrong on education reform because they are unwilling to accept the truths that's happening in schools. arne is my friend but you said it in a wrong way. but we have to figure out how we apply standards across this country and help people understand, help families and parents and teachers understand it's in the child's interest if they are being challenged at the highest level and they are requested to learn two times eight is 16 in california, kentucky and new york. that's the point you are trying to make. >> two sizes. we want to recruit the next generation of great teachers to help students. we have a baby boom generation moving to retirement. once in a generation opportunity. if we can bring in amazing

talent we'll help elevate education for the next 25, 30 years. we have this great public service campaign out, there ad council has been fantastic, state farm been a wonderful partner, microsoft. as i travel the country i tell young people if you want to make a difference in your communities, if you want to change students' lives there's no better place to do that in the classroom. we can point to those fantastic teachers in our lives. >> what kind of reception. >> we have a great website teach.org. we have psas that's been shown on youtube and the website and we're traveling the country, visiting college campuses if you want to contribute, if you want to make a difference, if you want to help build a strong community and help the country the best place you can do that is in the classroom. >> where do we rank right now worldwide talking about standards in math and science? >> this is part of my

frustration. i feel a huge sense of urgency. early childhood side we're 28th, 30th relative to other place. test scores for math and science 15th, 20th, 30th depending on the measure. we had a 25% dropout rate in this country. dropout rates are going down. we're losing far too many children and they are condemned to poverty and social failure. at the end of the day is to lead the world in college graduation rates. one generation ago we were number one. we've flat lined, stagnated 11 other countries passed us by. we have toed indicate our way back to a better my. i think we've been too complacent as a nation and good jobs are going to go where the skilled workforce is. i want that to be in our communities, our states and our country but in a flat world jobs are going to go where the knowledge workers are. it's either going be here or in

other countries. >> one final thing i want to ask you about because i heard this at the republican governor's association talking about education and there's a gap in education. you know, we're about to have an energy revolution over the next 10, 15 years. energy is cheaper. it's going to mean we have the most productive workers in the world. all the governors are saying there's an education gap. they hear it from people who say listen, we can bring the plants here and america can do it better, cheaper, faster than anybody else but -- >> skill set. >> will you have the people with skills to put in our factory, vocational training. there's such a gap there. how do we educate people that not only is that a meaningful way forward on education but also it will pay a lot better than a lot of degrees that you know we get. >> college and careers. the president announced an additional $100 million to put behind high schools to prepare

students for jobs. there's amazing schools that have a partnership with ibm. they graduate from high school with an associate's degree and have first leg up in going to ibm. those public-private partnerships we want to do a lot more to incentivize. >> how one young man is taeeami up with dallas to celebrate jfk. that's all ahead on "morning joe."

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even if he wants to. there's a series of deadlines going forward. unfortunately for him just politically there has always bean huge amount of churn in the health care marketplace. we know that. i bet all of us had to change plans at one time or another. the problem is now anything that happens that people don't like is going to be attributed to the law. i think that's a real problem for how they explained who the winners and losers are which up until now they weren't talking about. every policy has winners and losers. nothing new about that. republicans and all opponents of this bill are going to be able to point to people either whose out of pocket costs have gone up, who no longer can take their children to a children's hospital because it's been dropped from their network. >> this is simple marketing. you don't proffer miss and follow it up by underperforming. he promised too much, if you like your health care you keep your health care. and it's not going to cost any more.

and underperformed. >> at the moment it's too soon to say how the story ends but there's very difficult headlines for him now with deadlines every six weeks or so. >> how in the near term can the story ever change. to your point and we talked about this earlier, there will always be chuck full of anecdotes of these horrible story. >> they think once the website gets working and 30% 240% of it is not built you wonder how long that will take. people understand technical problems. they believe the white house that once the website is working when people start to see that maybe they will end up paying less, maybe they are going replace the coverage that was cancelled with something better it will have fewer of these horror stories. i do think, again, southeast thing that have been pointed to as problems are actually features of the law that some people are just going to have to pay more in order for the law network in order for people uninsured to be covered. >> that's a reality. there are some other things in

this issue including what boys want. explain to us who the author of this article is. >> fascinating story. so there was a book roger weiss about girls. they came back and spent the last few years talking about boys about their emotional and academic lives. the challenges that boys face. the communication skills are not quite as sophisticated as girls. in the age of having to post on facebook and communicate in the ways teenagers communicate, many are stymied by this. the hyper sexualized culture that we need about the impact on girls. we never talk about the impact on boys. >> for the last two generations, we have nothing to focus on girls and women power leaning in and leaning out. nobody has been telling or suggest or at least consulting

with boys on how to act. >> to say the obvious. the changes that affect girls and boys and it's amazing how similar a lot of their feelings are. >> girls are much more aggressive in a way that is quite frightening and i don't think boys know what to do with is it. >> these types were confused. >> and sensitive. >> i'm sensitive about it and i don't know. architects of addiction and candy crush. >> 150 games have been played so far. >> thus the end of civil -- what is it? >> a highly addictive game that you play on your iphone or device. >> is that like fruit ninja. >> what we head is how they are making it so addictive. it's $900,000 a day. people happily pay 99 cents to

peep on playing at the point where they lot of and want to keep on playing. it is a brilliant piece of marketing and design. >> i'm trying to figure out how to play angry birds. did they just hug it out? >> the biggest problem with boys, i had teenage boys and we have been around younger girls, girls are upset. boys keep it inside and it turns inside. they don't know. i'm touched. >> we were doing so well. >> as i was saying, boys don't

know how to express it. a lot of times that leads to serious problems. >> that's what boys need to do. >> the suicide rates are higher and depression rates are higher and rate of academic failure. >> time. still ahead, casey affleck will be here. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. sfx: oil gushing out of pipe. sfx: birds chirping.

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>> as you take a live look at new york city. we have donny deutsch, nicole wallace, harold ford, jr. and in chicago, mark halpern. there was a lot of news. the republican governors are in scottsdale, arizona. fresh off his reelection and he spoke with kelly o'donnell about the task that lies ahead. >> you getting encouragement? >> everybody is excited that we are going to take over and i'm getting great response both from donors and the government. i'm looking forward to it. it will be a great year.

36 races. it will be fine. >> number one priority for you? >> reelect republican goff norse. that's priority number one, two, and three. that's it. we don't have any other agenda. it's to defend our incumbents. >> the challenge for him is just to ward off all the questions for a little while and view the two jobs. >> absolutely. to limit his exposure if he decides to run for the president. >> i'm watching that club and there is chris christie factor that to me we are still two years away. you see hillary clinton there? no. when she comes forward it will be fresh and you want to lean in. >> that's the difference with

someone who has a day job. >> you can't hold that against chris christie. >> he doesn't have to be on four morning shows. he's leaning in. >> in fairness he did that right after his important reelection. it's wise to see them back up and i think he will. so that donny can refresh. >> we all want donny to be happy right now. >> no doubt. i think there is something to be said. he has a governor in new jersey and we said that very well. to donny's point, if he wants to do these things, you do them. it's hard when the people want to hear over and over again. if he wants to show he's capable of being president, he wants to lean back and manage the organization. clearly they need substance and a message come next year. >> the crowning jewel in the republican family.

the republican governors. those are the messengers who can speak english. you go to washington and say how republicans are speaking another language. he is also in charge of preserving the most valuable asset. >> if he can do a good job there and be effective, that will help more than any tv show. he's a charismatic voice. he will answer your question. right? >> it is. i think he should lay a little bit low. he will meet a lot of donors and reelect the hopes in big states like ohio, wisconsin and florida, etc. he has to improve his skills. going into the states which he will do sometimes quietly and in a dismal way. how does he do in the state like florida. he can get better known below the radar. that will help him a ton.

>> work on policy concepts. in terms of donors, he has all the donors he needs. >> when you think about the treasure chest of the jindals and the christies and the walkers, you are on the democratic side. after cuomo, is there high visibility? >> jerry brown, but i would agree. you don't have what you have on the republican side. >> the other thing, you said this about christie. it will be interesting to see if he is able to adjust to the different states and cultures. >> while we are on it, ohio governor john casic weighed in on what republicans need to do to start winning more elections. >> it's jobs. it's jobs that elected roosevelt and the other roosevelt and reagan. we were mired in a deep, deep recession and he said we could have a better way. it all does get ba being to jobs

and the party that can show people that they can get you to work, they can improve your income, those are the ideas we need to promote. >> like bob mcdonald in virginia. it's not that difficult. >> he's not a dark horse because he has been around for a while and like and respect him. he's the guy if you put aside the christies and the big names, he's the guy who will have the story. he has a profile, more experience on the stage. if he's reelect and it's likely he will be if he translates that into a national platform and get out around the country. >> he is moderating with the guys and gals and hick perry was a part of it. >> who? >> rick perry. before you say a word, he was so

kind and nice. he was lampooned for the election process. some people take that so personally. we all have our different opinions, but he got raked over the coals. he cooperate have been nicer. let's move on. we have new polling that showed the flawed obama care website can't get fixed fast enough for the president. it really can't. 61% have a negative view, a new low for the poll. 31% approve of the law. president obama doesn't fare much better. with just 32% of americans approving of the way he is handling health care, that's his lowest rating on the issue since cbs started asking the question four years ago. the poll finds 31% believe the problems with the website are an

isolated issue, but 63% think it's more widespread and signs of problems to come. just 15% think obama care will help them. 39% say it will do more harm than good. i know what will happen if i'm too forceful, but this is in the middle of the glitches. further out this could change. >> they could, but i tell you without being hyperbolic and thinking of it as a snapshot, i have been traveling the country for a week. the people who seem most upset are liberals and supporters of the law who are concerned that if the poll numbers start to turn quickly, it may be difficult for the president to ever accentuate the positive aspects. the opponents can cherry pick individual examples and macro problems with it. i would say it's a crisis that

needs to be addressed on substance and on politics. you can see in the white house they are trying to balance being optimistic with recognizing there problems. we have seen a punch of polls, but it affects how people see the president. >> they are pointing to a new report that shows increases in health care costs. the council of economic advisers say cost inflation is at the lowest point in 50 years. reduced costs for employers could add as many as 400,000 jobs per year by the end of the decade. republicans are critical of the report saying that the slow down is due to a sluggish economy and not obama care. healthcare.gov said there was no evidence of red flags leading up

to the launch. a september 25th e-mail. acquired by fox news. it shows the website's project manager expressing concern that healthcare.gov would not be ready on october 1st. he writes i am picturing in my mind all the online publications taking screen shots of what is below and ramping up hyperbole about healthcare.gov, not functional. the e-mail included this showing the website down. that's exactly what happened yesterday. hhs secretary kathleen sebelius met with the navigators in south florida. the website went down. >> this is a disaster. we asked the american people to

behavely. when was the last time we asked the country to behave differently. it has not been right. my concern is the anecdotes and the passion of the negative and i can't get my old insurance. i have cancer. they are so much more intense than the positive. this is -- you know. that's my big concern. the only shot the president has and people are not going to be happy with it, it's a five-year narrative. two things will be happening. we will lower the growth of health care cost which we are starting to see and more people will have insurance. this is a five or ten-year proposition. it won't make people happy today. >> go ahead. >> you could be right. that's what happens with democrats and the senate and the house and how they have to

respond and behave. you could be right. we have seen in or four years, but that's not fast enough. it may need to be a greater honesty and acceptance. they have to shut the whole thing down. i am limping along like this. it doesn't serve anything. the next big challenge is he believes there not enough doctors. we don't have enough physicians to accommodate the floofd people. i hope they are thinking through all of these things. these are big and hurtful and may have more challenges as well. >> these are the political problems. the biggest problem is that the american people are skeptical

from go. this was not a law that passed with a lot of supporters. this was liberal supporters. >> those people you feel -- >> in the view of republicans and the media. this shows us a teachable moment. everyone in this country. >> i can't even think of it. that literally affects everybody. >> it passed with such partisan legislation. >> trust me, i have more. i had here from mark halpern that will show what a marketing disaster this is. what is being left behind for your party and i will ask you the question too.

i was just on book tour and one of the points he makes was illuminated. we get everywhere we went. why do republicans not want americans to have health care? >> that's what they think. the republicans's ability to answer that question is every bit as important as the obama administration's ability to fix everything that is wrong. >> they are making sure this doesn't work. >> i don't think that's fair. the republicans have to step into the spotlight. >> you don't think that's true? did you see what happened with the shut down? they were making sure as best they could in every little bit of their power to shut this thing down. >> i think republicans believe as many americans believe, 61% of them that the law is a bad idea. republicans have to propose an

alternative for ensuring. >> republican governors have a lot of ideas about how medicaid is administered and extending eligibility for programs that exist. you can't get the entire republican party as having ideas for ensuring people. they are on the front lines of that. i agree in washington republicans don't. >> in washington what you are left with in retrospect if this gets fixed is a president who botched a roll out and in total wanted american to have access to health care and somehow got it done come hell or high water. republicans who don't want americans to have access to health care and want americans to continue to pay for everybody's emergency room costs. >> that was always the argument. the problem is his argument is not coming to fruition. people are going wait a second. >> i don't think it's good for the republican party either.

halpern, i've got this for you. ohio governor john casic, he talked about the problems surrounding the health care law. just to give this a bigger picture, he said they go back to a different democrat who may be considering another run for the white house. take a look. >> you have a bunch of people who are operating in comforts somewhere in an ivory tower putting together 1/6 of the american economy. who would think this would work. this is really hillary care. when you don't have ideas and you are not positive, it creates a void. a void was created down there and the void got filled with a plan designed by frankly, i think most people that were theorists. >> most of these come from the

foundation and he is not being fully honest. they laid out the idea for the larger pool. >> coming up on "morning joe," we will heck in with mike allen and another publishing giant is cutting jobs as old school papers are on the web. which are feeling the pinch. a massive cargo jet misses the mark and lands at the wrong airport. how officials plan to move a very big plane off a very short runway. first, bill has a check on the forecast. >> good morning, mika. all of the travel issues of flying would happen in the west. they had snow and the temperatures are cold. they had deicing things to deal with. from cheyenne to denver and now freezing rain and sleet developing in kansas. we will have to watch that throughout the night tonight. we could see a significant snow

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slow burning crisis. a failure of grand bargaining. as a result his goals are socially conservative and pop lift rather than corporatist and technocratic. he is clearly offering a sketch, an outline of a conservatism that reaches for the middle. it's a different middle with different priorities. so many others have chatted the gop for failing to embrace. what's he doing? is he fitting into the future of the republican party or will he have the ted cruz label from those ads he did? et cetera, et cetera? >> this is an effort to get away from that and say that the western party needs to be more than the angry party. we talked to him and asked about whether or not there should be a shut down threat in january and the next time there is an opportunity. he said no. i would love to see obama care defended.

defunded. that's not going to happen. he is trying to show conservative activists to his party that is possible to win on a broader slate of issues. he and senator cruz going into the last obama care fight were arm in arm. this time as he travels the country. he is saying there has to be a different approach this time. >> all right. for mark halpern to jump in. >> this is a group of people who were still trying to sort out who is king of the hill. particularly with the focus on the republican governor's meeting. i think you will see some members of congress whether they want to run for president trying to reassert that they are not an irrelevant wing of the party and people who can get national attention will push back. you saw yesterday with scott walker on the program and the clip you showed of paul ryan disagreeing with the friend that it's not inevitable that they be

led by governors. they don't want to seat everything with the governors. >> i agree with that and i think that this attention that mike lee is getting for his core beliefs is the other half of what the republican party is so hungry for. he does speak to such an important element. this hunger for the republican party that proudly speaks about social conservatism that doesn't demonize the other side. as a human and a compassionate side. if you found that he feels like all of his authenticity and all of the good will, he has a national base of support. does he feel like that was jeopardized or set back by his association as ted and what was viewed as ill-fated. >> they make a great point about what he said that is appealing and yes, this is a real concession. a change in where he was. an admission for all of them to lock arms is not a good idea.

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they produced it a while ago and he sort of attracts good talent. once he got christian bale, everybody likes him and i was excited about working with him. he plays someone who is just getting out of jail. i play his brother who is just coming back from iraq. we live in pennsylvania which is a hard hit town. years ago. we are both trying to put our lives back together. i have problems i'm bringing home with the post traumatic stress disorder issues. having a hard time talking about my experiences over there. it takes me down this self destructive path in this brutal back yard bare knuckle fighting

ring. i get myself in trouble. christian has to lp me out. it's a great movie and reminisce ant of the 70s and deer hunter and stuff like that. >> i bet this is incredibly real to a lot of people who are facing these transitions. did you talk to veterans and to other people who are going through similar circumstances? how did you prepare? >> i did. i sort of had some understanding of what that experience was like in the way that you do from movies and i knew a few people in high school and desert storm and my grandfather was older too. i started by watching documentaries about it. war torn was a great and i started talking to veterans from vietnam and desert storm.

they kind of all described similar experiences and it was an accurate depiction of what they were going through. not just the part about that, but what it's like to assimilate back into civilian society and the struggles that they have. getting treatment and finding jobs. a lot of the vets, the latest issues are addiction. homelessness and mental health issues. they don't get any help. >> they feel invisible. it's remarkable how they have this brotherhood. we talked to them and other authors are going-over there.

they have got the unit. the camaraderie. as variable as the conditions are. they just drop in the middle. one of the things you were talking about, they listened to john casic talk about jobs and put aside the vet issue, they are on a massive change and you saw it's hard for people to find jobs because they are left. talk about how the shakier views and how you deal with the tough issues. not just for vets, but everyday americans. >> it's true. i have been to improverished placed and residential areas made out of cardboard and driftwood. at time this was obviously a thriving community and robust economy and huge furnaces of industry there. what was once a good solid

middle class community with nice homes and now is completely overgrown and trees coming out of windows and whole blocks of abandoned. there is nothing there. feels like a ghost town. >> quickly before we go, the films, you got a brother who is an up and coming actor and director. what was going on that you had the hollywood way. >> our mother said whatever you do, don't go into meetings. >> that will do it. >> is he a big star? you don't want to do something with your hair? >> would like to comb it.

>> it's bizarre. she does this to everybody. >> i feel affection. a hard time. >> that's what she does. maybe. >> we can't all look as good as she does. she said i am excited about your new movie. the a squad. she is clueless. i always saw it. when you burst on the scene and when everybody really got the movies. that's got to be intimidating. you have the other great stars. i'm sure it was. you did a remarkable job. you have got it again. my god. christian bale.

talk about batting with ted williams. you are a great actor, but what does it do? it has to up your game. for instance, what did you learn with woody harrellson. what do you take away? >> it's not so much feeling to get out of your game, when they are that good, it's up. you show up. you look at him and everyone seems good. it's because he brings a level of realism and it's not -- some people are good in the way they make everyone else pay attention to them. he's good in the way that he is making everyone. >> you get advice. they didn't. he doesn't talk about that too much. >> struggling on the hair question. >> you guys know what i'm talking about. ryan seacrest does it.

stateme stamos did it. >> you have got your pop culture so flawed here. you do not mention these guys in the same breath. full house. i love stamos. >> you put some gel in it and move it forward and to the side. >> it's a desperate cry for attention. >> you said this would be an elevated dialogue here. >> this sucks. >> the red sox fan. >> what do you mean, yeah yeah. the red sox will win the world cup. >> now he will be mayor. >> out will be in theaters on december 6th. you should go see it. >> i don't expect an apology. >> you don't need one. >> i think their way of showing affection. >> thank you so much.

up next, i will tell you about that. >> i'm a big fan. >> new jersey is rolling the dies on internet gambling. that's next at business before the bell and an attempt at a speed record goes wrong. how the driver managed to survive this wreck. how do you survive that? >> i didn't know a car could do that. >> they have been changing their medications. bl

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pro driver brian gilespie was trying to hit 200 miles per hour when he lot of control and the car flipped 20 times. the roll cage probably saved the driver's life. he is already out of the hospital! how does that happen? >> it's unbelievable. it's insane. how in the world? >> we don't need to break those kinds of records. business before the bell. >> brian is here with business before the bell. >> we have big with online gambling. a story we covered a couple of times. i'm interested to say they are doing a soft launch. healthcare.gov could have done a soft launch. >> you said it, i didn't. i'm going to hit the story. i know you were working on it and missed the claims and they came higher than expected to hear the moving average remaining about the same. the data there, you talked about new jersey.

i beat brian and covered it. tonight is the launch. the-day trial and expected a launch on tuesday. you don't have to go now with the tropicana. you can sit home in your pajamas and gamble real money on online slots and table games. a lot of people say it will lead to more problems. we will find out. by the way, it launches tonight as a trial run. tuesday is the big time to test. despite fibers recently, number in satisfaction, but no more so than brian gilespie. you wear arm straps to go to your belts. your arms can't go up like this. i'm glad he is already. >> chris christie a way to keep atlantic city and new jersey relevant. they are all going this way. >> do we have a two-day moratorium? >> no.

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whether it's on the grand piano or a toy one. tao has been commissioned by the symphony orchestra to capture the mood of a country then and now. the title of his piece is drawn directly from jfk's inaugural. the world is very different now. >> the sentiment that a lot of people are intensely familiar with to the point that we are desensitized. the world is different and dangerous now. the world is out to get you. i was interested in using that as a starting point. that's a wise point. >> trying to connect with the tragedy that happened 30 years before he was even born was no easy task. tonight a world class symphony will help realize tao's vision.

>> the piece kind of starts from nothing and emerges from what i like to call this murky type space. the first thing to really coalesce, this romantic melody that emerges and i call it a lament for come lot. >> the piece is complex and chaotic, using music to tie the shared experience from generation who lived through tragedy and one that can only imagine it. >> the piece debuts tonight at the dallas symphony orchestra. to find out more about conrad on his website. conrad tao.com. amazing young man. up next, what if anything did we learn today? [ male announcer ] this is jim,

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>> time to talk about what we learned today. >> right over here. donny, man. you are a creepy guy. >> look what is going on here. i don't know. >> i have pants on. >> thank god. >> that are shows that joe does not like to be held. there was a tender moment. a man bonding thing. i tried to hold it. >> donny, you make sure you keep it inside. what did you learn some. >> i learned that #morningjoe is

trending. >> the democrat or republican wins a nomination. hillary clinton will talk about that and it's interesting to see what's behind that. >> they will go to the back seat. a-rod on sports radio. >> they had the diaper on it. you better believe it. i would always trust a goat with a diaper more than a-rod. what did you learn? >> i learned that chuck todd is up next and has a big show. karim adbul jabbar. all in the same show. >> casey affleck has a good movie. >> if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." you embarrassed all of us in front of our friend, casey. >> people saying i was rude to him. i was asking a question. i'm sorry. >> in mika's defense, don't confusion rude with clueless. it's two things. this is pop culture. pop culture. you are proud of that.