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day they still just stink of alcohol. this is apparently how russia rolls. in ten weeks they will be hosting the olympic games. >> a foreign policy breakthrough for president obama and the world. an unprecedented agreement with iran. >> iran is bent on building. >> the nuclear issue is is a problem. >> my central goal is to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons. >> the u.s. and its allies signed an historic agreement. >> these are substantial limitations. >> this deal freezes iran's nuclear program. >> and it allows for daily inspections. >> daily inspections of iran's nuclear facilities. >> which will help prevent iran from building a nuclear weapon. >> the deal is already being criticized.
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>> this interim deal is dangerous. >> partisan bickering is the background noise. >> questioning the big deal that president obama made. >> the first true dialogue in 34 years. >> this is a process mplgt. >> as a first time presidential candidate in 2008, president obama promised that foreign policy would focus on diplomacy. john mccain criticized the president for saying he would seek to speak directly to the leaders of iran but president obama has now broken america's 34 year isolation from iran. president obama made the dramatic announcement that the united states and other
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countries have reached an agreement with iran. there will be a reduction to some of the brutal economic sanctions leveed against the economy as the countries work towards a long term agreement. >> i firmly believe what president kennedy said, let us never negotiate out of fear but let us never fear to negotiate. i believe that. this has brought us the progress that was achieved this weekend. for the first time in a decade we have halted the progress on iran's nuclear program. key parts of the program will be rolled back. [ applause ]
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>> today the "new york times" reports that the obama administration and secretary of state john kerry have been having secret communications for several months and that the three decade communication stalemate was ended when senator john kerry began sending messages through the sultan. it was set exactly what the iranians needed to hear. he thinks this is a terrible deal. >> what was concluded in geneva last night is not an historic agreement, it's an historic mistake. like the agreement with north korea in 2005, this agreement has made the world a much more dangerous place. >> imagine if you will what the reaction would be if the israeli prime minister had welcomed the deal.
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iranians would have been forced to instantly reject it. how far apart are president and the prime minister really? there is always a bit of guess work about just how big the gap is when there appears to be a gab. what is your sense of what is really going on? >> i think the gap is pretty real. most experts including many in israel itself think that is a fantasy. so yes, i think the two are in very different places but they zroent the same amount of power.
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barack obama ran for president making it very clear that he wanted to pursue a diplomatic deal with iran. >> i assume that he knows all of those things that peter just said and knows how completely unrealistic it is for iran to ever meet his particular list of demands. it seems that he is saying exactly what the president needs him to say in order to keep iran at the negotiating table. >> we can agree to disagree and i think these allies are doing just that. they do have different national security interests as well.
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there were plenty of allies in europe who were really uncomfortable with reagan negotiating with gorbachauf. even the ones that seem to be negative can actually help in this kind of tense situation. >> let's listen to president obama where he says he is basically just doing what he promised he would do. i guess we don't have it. what the president said was -- okay, now they're telling me we have it. let's hear the president say it instead of me. >> now, some of you may recall that when i first ran for president, i said it was time
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for a new era of american leadership in the world. one that turned the page on a decade of war and began a new era of our engagement with the world. and ass the president and as commander in chief, i have done what i said. we ended the war in iraq. we brought our troops home. osama bin laden met justice. the war in afghanistan will end next year. >> steve clemens is this a case of the president simply doing what he said he was going to do? >> when the president was elected, i wrote a piece at the time saying he would have to find his inner richard nixon. i meant he would have to figure out how to pry ortize, had to focus on one and to achieve something so big, that in mixon's, it's what he has done here is really run right against very rough water.
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a lot of opposition. he is changing the course of what we think aspirationally is possible. and in my view, in a complete opposition to the prime minister, president obama is making the world a much safer place by diffusing this war track we have been on with iran. >> let's go back to listening to the president in 2008 on meet the press talking about this issue. or not. okay. i guess we will. >> as i indicated before to rally the international community, to engage direct talks, to send a clear signal about the consequences but also to send a signal that if they are willing to stand down that we can provide them with the kind of assistance that they need in order to help their people.
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my central goal is to prevent them from getting nuclear weapons. >> peter, no one can say we didn't see this coming with this president. >> right. he was talking about preventing them from getting nuclear weapons. the bar was set very differently. that's a much less realistic goal. what's going to happen is people are going to try to put conditions and say unless the final deal meets certain benchmarks then sanctions are going to kick in. the next fight will be in congress. >> what do you think the prospects are for that fight in congress?
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>> right. well this is that different from the congress. they were afraid that somehow the terrorists would escape. this is not a profile of courage. you took nuclear technology is not proscribed by the treaty but weapons are. inspections are at if heart of how you enforce that. if someone has a better plan, then please bring it forward and not engage in knee jerk politics. >> what do you expect to see as congress gets more involved in this? >> i expect them to diter. ultimately the president is putting on the table a much more durable and important solution
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to solving this problem that's what is really at stake here is that you have a rising power in the region. saudi arabia came out and said it stands by the agreement with iran. they are not commander in chief and they are not having to carry the burden and responsibility ultimately i think the president will prevail. the president talked about tough talk and bluster in washington. wo surely are in for a few weeks of tough talk and bluster from washington, democrats and republicans.
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>> those are almost word for word what he said about mitt romney. the republican party tried to out talk them. it was very clear that barack obama won that foreign policy debate. also worth noting that he won over 70% of the jewish vote in that presidential election. where president obama has going for him is that we don't live in the 1980s when democrats needed to tower from the republican party and being afraid of being outflanked on the right. now we have a president who has more credibility and i think he will have the public on his side.
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>> richard wolf, this is one of those situations where one of the moves the president has is to simply call on his critics to dwrand what is their plan. >> right. >> it's not clear how they think that could have happened. the very same critics were after the president because he was not prepared to attack iran in syria. really they just oppose his foreign policy because it comes from him. i suspect if it had been a republican, a reagan seeking to do this deal, then this would have been fine and dandy. >> thank you all for joining me tonight. >> a little technical note tonight.
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i'm sitting here about 25 miles away from the control room in new york where they have to pick those pieces of video to plug in so there will be a couple of mistake in the show tonight. the latest in the affordable care act. where exchanges seem to be working well. is michele obama a feminist hero or nightmare? there is an article that says the first lady is a feminist nightmare. and in the rewrite tonight, my little boy memories of 50 year ace go today when i walked into arlington national cemetery following president kennedy's casket to his final resting place. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one.
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>> today the virginia state board of elections certified democrat mark herring as the winner of the november election for virginia attorney general republican state senator by 165 votes out of more than 2 million votes that were cast. he has not yet called for a recount. this is the first time in more than 40 years that democrats will hold the five top statewide elected offices, governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general, and both senate seats. up next, david axelrod will join me.
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>> and by the way, thousands of californians are signing up every day for new health care plans all across the state. [ applause ] so, even as we're getting this darn website up to speed, it's getting better. states like california are proving the law works. >> "new york times" columnist says that if the affordable care act can work in a state as large and diverse as california then it should work for the united states as a whole. at this point, more than 10,000
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applications are being completed per day, putting the state well on track to meet its targets. the health reform must sign up young healthy americans as well as their older less healthy co-patriots. what we have in california is a proof of concept. joining me now former senior advisor i guess the administration has to take the good news where it can get it and here in california is one of the biggest sources of good news. >> there is no doubt about it. what it proves and you have seen
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it in other states the demand is there and the program works. so this is really encouraging. and as you point out the sign up of the younger americans, younger californians into the program is is a very good sign. we remember that in massachusetts when they passed their health care law in 2006, only 123 people signed up in the first month and the rush came at the end. so all of these are -- these are good signs for the exchanges and for the affordable care act. >> david, i hate to quibble with a nobel prize winning economist but i think that paul has not compared the correct numbers or the ones that are most relevant
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to the measurement of success in california. it is true that about 22% of the population is 18 to 34 years old and 32.5% of new enrollees are in that age group. but that group represent over 40% of the uninsured. about 42% of the uninsured. california is not capturing them all but they never expected at this stage to be capturing them all. they had a more modest expectation in this first year. and that's one of the things that is present across the board in the expectations.
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>> i think the other thing is beyond the numbers are the human stories. the washington post had an extraordinarily poignant story. all of these people, many of them older who have never had health insurance before, getting health insurance for the first time. and how meaningful that is to them. so behind these numbers are very powerful stories that speak to the wisdom of this. i would say one other thing and that is as important as these exchanges are, they are essential to the affordable care act, there is is a lot behind it that is already taken place 3.5 million people under the age of 26. 105 million americans who can't
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get thrown off of their insurance because they get seriously ill and hit their caps. 8.5 million americans have gotten rebates. this is the affordable care act as well. so, we have to get this right and the website is enraging thing. the roll out was terrible. but the fact is the demand is there and what i noticed in the poles and you may have seen this, too, is that support for the affordable care act has been basically level and consistently a majority of americans want to fix the affordable care act and move forward rather than repeal it. and it goes to your question from the last segment.
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>> one of the big winners of the affordable care act now appears to be speaker of the house john boehner. he was so certain it was going to be impossible to enroll and he did a media stunt of enrolling and he got himself a pretty good deal? >> i'm happy for him. i hope he is imbued with the holiday spirit. >> i'm sure a few months from now he will be praising it and say for me it's actually working very well. i'm sure he will tell us the truth. >> one thing we know for sure is that those folks do not want this to succeed. it's fine to have oversight but the truth is they want the plan to succeed. the only thing we can do is scrap it and i think the question that needs to be asked again and again and again is what's your answer?
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what's your answer for people who get tlaun off of their insurance because they get sick? what's your answer for double digit increases? for the last three years we have had a record small increase and that is attributed in part to the affordable care act. >> david, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> happy holiday. >> thank you. you, too. coming up, michelle obama actually accused of manager a feminist nightmare. what next? and later is the cheney family feud for real? or is it actually being staged for conservative wyoming voters? i started part-time, now i'm a manager.n. my employer matches my charitable giving. really. i get bonuses even working part-time. where i work, over 400 people are promoted every day. healthcare starting under $40 a month.
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>> i wanted to come here today because you guys and students like you across america are at the heart of one of my husband's most important goals. you claim that the first lady is not a feminist because she says her most important job is mom in chief. the idea that she owes something in particular to the feminist community this is not an analysis i'm familiar with. >> i went to elementary school, became a lawyer, been the vice president of a hospital. i have been the head of a non-profit organization. i want you to know that my story can be your story. >> who is is a good feminist? who is is a bad one? >> joining me now, political reporter with the washington post. cy want to read one pas saj about michelle obama being a feminist nightmare.
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so enough already for pining away for a michelle that does not exist. she is not going let loose suddenly with some straight talk about abortion rights or obama care. it was not merely a political traty but also a personal choice. we invited the author on the program. she couldn't be here. what's your reaction to that passage? >> i think this idea that michelle obama should really be talking about other issues, she should be talking about abortion and talking about common rorp rations and aids, i don't know where that comes from.
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if you look at the issues she has chose on the focus on, she has chosen to focus on some of the most pressing issues our country faces, education and the health of our children. apparently that's not good enough for feminists. if you look at a lot of black women they have always worked out of the home. that is closer to our definition that you see michelle obama embodying. i always had a problem with the idea that michelle obama should focus on something that other people say she should focus on. if you look at her biography she has always focused on these issues.
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the new focus on education is something that will really do well for the president as well. >> now michelle obama is criticized in this piece for saying that she is the mom in chief. but she also is criticized as we just -- as the passage i just read for not talking about abortion rights, obama care or education. let's listen to her now talking about abortion rights, health care and education in the very same speech that she said she was the mom in chief. >> he believes that women are more than capable of making our own choices about our bodies and our health care. that's what my husband stands for. when it comes to giving our kids the education they deserve
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barack knows that like me and like so many of you, he never could have attended college without financial aid. and believe it or not, when we were first married, our combined monthly student loan bill was actually higher than our mortgage. we were so young, so in love and so in debt. and that's why barack has fought so hard to increase student aid and keep interest rates down. >> there is a first lady talking about real policy issues the way no other first lady ever has. >> i woke up and i was like wow, she needs to have a stadium of seats for this one. back when michelle gave the speak feminists were saying the exact same thing.
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i think black women traditionally have never been applauded for pry ortizing womanhood. oh think that my shell obama making a choice and using her agency to behave in a way that she feels is the right way, i think we should be plauding her for that. and making that her number one priority. >> i am going to read another pasage. the piece says the one writer urged a no holds bar first lady
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preach about everything from supreme court nominees to the racism fuelling some administration critics to issues regarding reproductive and sexual health. she is one of the most influential black women on the planet and i consider it a national shame that she is not putting the weight of her office behind some of the issues. >> those are fighting words in a way. it's a shame that she has chosen to focus on childhood obesity? it's a shame that she has chosen to focus on enlarging the imaginations of black and brown kids around the country? when she goes and tells her
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story and says that you, too, can be who i am. these are kids who often don't imagine that for their rooifs. i think this is trushl this sort of work that she is doing. no it isn't necessarily about policy. i think her being a cheer leader and bringing corporations to the table. this is is a big deal. i think that people rauf ten interest mate the work that tha she has done. and sure, as people, plenty f people out there who read all
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sorts of articles about what healthy eating is in the new york times and elsewhere and michelle obama has not taught them anything. but the idea that the poverty population in this country doesn't need and has not needed for a long time influential guidance, a connection to someone that they would listen to about healthy eating strikes me as a rather elitist notion about what is going on. >> there is a huge blind spot. childhood obesity impacts people of color more than any other group. the same goes for any of the other issues. she is talking about food deserts. people who live in the inner city and don't have access to fresh fruits and vegetables.
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it's not gardening. i think minimizing her for the choices that she is making is the antithesis of feminism. you want to focus on career? do that. you want to be a mother? do that? you want to do both? do that. >> i wish that michelle connel could have joined us. >> next time let's bring her on. >> thank you very much for joining me tonight. coming up, what is the cheney family really up to? do you think liz cheney's sudden public quarrel with her lesbian sister is for real or is it exactly what her senate campaign in wyoming needs right now? that's coming up. thrusters at 30%! i can't get her to warp.
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>> 50 year ago today, an assassinated president was buried and a police officer was buried in dallas texas. the police officer's widow sent condolences. we never knew that the first lady sent a handwritten letter to the police officer's widow. we will bring you that course upon dense and my little boy memories of standing in the crowd in washington during president kennedy's funeral. the funeral that had seemed the whole world was watching. life with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis is a daily game of "what if's". what if my abdominal pain and cramps come back? what if the plane gets delayed? what if i can't hide my symptoms? what if? but what if the most important question is the one you're not asking? what if the underlying cause of your symptoms is damaging inflammation? for help getting the answers you need,
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day where the entire kennedy family was gathered along with heads of state from around the world. you could just walk right in as my family did and get as close to the grave as the crowd allowed. thousands of people gathered around the grave. we were close enough that my oldest brother michael who was then much taller than i was could actually see the casket being lowered into the grave. leaving the cemetery i remember walking just a few steps away from the most recognizable foreign leader. it didn't seem so strange that the time that a little kid was walking along with families from who knows where. it felt like we were all at the same place at the same time. united in grief.
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we didn't know what to say but we knew what to do. my father knew what to do. he didn't know the kennedys. he had nothing to do with politics in boston but he knew what he had to do when boston's beloved irish catholic president was killed. he had to get his family, all seven of us to washington for the funeral because that's what we do. that's what the irish are gooded a. we show up. we might not know what to say but we show up. our family was going to show our love and respect the best way we know how. we showed up. i have grown no more articulate about why we were there. i found myself occasionally telling friends that my whole family went down for president kennedy's funeral and they would always ask why. the boston irish never asked why.
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on that same day 1300 miles away there was another funeral for a man shot to death by lee harvey oswald. >> the caller was right. the dallas police officer was dead. he had been pursuing lee harvey oswald. his wife was as stunned by her loss as the first lady was by hers. >> facing life with three children without him seemed almost impossible. >> but marie also mourned the loss of president kennedy and sent a telegram of condolence to the young mother who would have to bring up the president's two children without him.
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the telegram said mrs. john f. kennedy, may i add my sympathy to that with the people all over the world. my personal loss prepares me to sympathize more deeply with you. until recently that was thought to be the only communication between the two women who lost their husbands in dallas that day. but then marie shared with tom brokaw the handwritten letter that she received from mrs. kennedy. >> dear mrs. tippet, what can i say to you? my husband's death was responsible for you losing your husband. wasn't one life enough to take that day? i lit a flame that will burn for jack at arlington forever. i consider that it burns for your husband, too, and so will everyone who ever sees it. with my unexpressable sympathy,
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>> wrote a check in maine. >> perfect. let's get to the real issue. mary is the gay married one. >> gay married one who worked to re-elect george bush and dick cheney. >> okay. and michael helped his father. it doesn't matter. >> family matters. joining me now is the author of last week's political magazine article, the race that broke the cheney family. jason, what dan was getting at is he finds it extraordinary that mary cheney who is married to a woman and has been able to support all sorts of republican candidates who have exactly the same position as liz cheney has on this issue and suddenly the one candidate she has a problem with is her sister.
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>> i think maybe you expect certain things of your family that you don't necessarily expect of other politicians. 6. >> here is mary cheney who worked professionally in politics herself. that has been her career in politics and government. and she is suddenly pretending to not unss why liz cheney would take the positions she's taking to try to get elected in one of the most conservative states in the country? >> it's a different position than her father. so i think maybe she expected her sister would be like her father. >> what do you make of this campaign generally where liz
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cheney at this point in the polls does not seem to have a chance? is there something liz cheney is looking to accomplish after this tam wayne is there a longer gain she is playing for? >> i think the thing i was struck by was how unprepared she was for this race and i think the gay marriage issue is one part of it. i don't think it occurred to it that this would be an issue in the race. a lolo things that became issues. people in wyoming or the people who don't like her thinks that if she does lose the race she will move back to virginia. people who are opposing her don't see this as a long gain on her part. she could put down roots there and run again in a few years.
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there are a lot of things that could happen. she does have a lot of time to come back in the race. >> you have spoken to liz while you were out there. does she have anything that resembles a campaign plan for actually closing the gab? >> i think she's going to just keep on going throughout the state. it is a very old school style campaign. she told me she expects there to be between 100,000 and 120,000 voters she exspects to meet every single one of them. she just drives around the state and drives long distances between stops. i think, you know, she's just going to do it that way. >> jason, gets tonight's last
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word. thanks, jason. >> thank you. >> chris hayes is up next. obama goes on the offense. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in miami. let me start tonight with this. president obama said he'd do it. he said he'd end this relentless push for war. he promised to get us home from afghanistan, promised most of all to abort a war with iran. and now he's gone and done it. and we've got the makings of a deal with tehran. to stop explosive conflict. he's done what he's promised. the total opposite of "w" and dick cheney and the neocons.
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