manual brush. it seems like it gets more to areas of your mouth that you can't reach with a regular toothbrush. [ male announcer ] guaranteed "wow" with deep sweep from oral-b. #1 dentist-recommended toothbrush brand worldwide. this sunday, the race to fix the president's health care plan takes on new urgency as a key deadline is reached. >> there are thousands of people every single day who are getting health care for the first time. and by the way, the website is continually working better, so check it out. >> but is it working as well as it should be? with president obama's promises to fix healthcare.gov, will the website be fixed well enough to handle the millions of people that could sign up this month? and what will be the impact of obama care on the 2014 elections, and even perhaps the 2016 presidential race? plus, an historic week for pope francis with his first major statement, attacking what he calls, quote, the idolatry of money.

continues a year of whirlwind change for the vatican. i'll go one on one with cardinal timothy dolan of new york. he is one of the leading cardinals in america. he talks about why the church has turned against obama care and why the church has been outmarketed on gay marriage. nbc correspondent harry smith with the story of a survivor of the boston marathon bombing. who represents the true meaning of boston strong. i'm david gregory and this is "meet the press" on sunday, december 1st. good sunday morning. a big weekend for the future of president obama's landmark health care legislation, two months to the day since the troubled launch of

healthcare.gov, they put out a report this morning saying they're making dramatic progress and the team is operating with private sector velocity and effectiveness. that's how the website apparently is working. it also says the site's capacity has been expanded to handle 50,000 users at once along with improved response times and decreased error rates. but the obama administration has downplayed expectations in the past week saying the demand could actually outweigh capacity, and today's report indicates there is still more work to be done. the real test lies ahead when millions of uninsured americans could try to enroll by an initial december 23rd deadline. we have advice chris van hollen. we have mike rogers of michigan. he also sits on the house and commerce committee over the jurisdiction of health and human services.

welcome to both of you and welcome to "meet the press." >> good to be here. >> chairman roger, let me start with you. >> just your reaction to this report. dramatic progress, private sector-like velocity. the promise was for the website to be fully functioning by now. are you satisfied? >> well overstated. have they made some progress and they brought in some folks to try to bring the functionality up. it still doesn't function right. their own cio said he believed that if they had the ability to get up to 80% functionality, that would be a good day for them. so, a, the functionality is right. here's a part of this discussion that nobody talks about. the security of this site and the private information does not meet even the minimal standards of the private sector, and that concerns me. i don't care if you're for it or against it, republican or democrat, we should not tolerate the sheer level of incompetence securing this site.

but the hub accesses would expose the people's information which is bad. >> congressman van hollen, the claims being what they are today still indicate a truth. the washington editorial points it out this morning that while progress has been made, the site is still not today where it was supposed to be two months ago. and yet the promise is to be fully functioning. are you satisfied? >> well, david, the administration has hit the big benchmarks they set out, right? 50,000 people at one time, 80,000 people in one day. this is going to take some time before it's up and kicking in full gear. i think what we have to look at is those states where you have well functioning web sites like california, like new york, like kentucky. all of them are signing people up. all of them have a good mix of people -- >> but your own state site not functioning very well. >> maryland is a mess.

there is no doubt about it. the question is are we going to work together to fix those problems, and there will be additional problems, or are we going to do what the republicans want to do, continue to sabotage the entire effort, even though they don't have an alternative. yes, we should continue to fix it every day. the underlying concept is good. >> congressman rogers, my reporting indicates this is also where the president is going to go. he's going to go on the offensive. he's going to argue that republicans are trying to sabotage this instead of getting it right, that they have no ideas of their own. is that what's going to help improvements here to people? >> no. this is unprecedented confiscation of people's health care. here's what i think they're missing. they're trying to make this a political fight. when you have someone who just

lost their insurance, and there are millions of people who got cancellation notices, and the next go-round on the business side is 80 to 100 million people will get cancellation notices. here's why i think they're missing the boat on trying to make this a political fight between democrats and republicans. a guy grabbed me the other day whose wife is expecting a baby end of december. they got a cancellation notice. if she has the baby in january, he is absolutely apoplectic about how to pay for it. if she has the baby in december, that -- there is no compassion in that. this is happening hundreds of thousands of times all across the country. they're getting ready to close high-risk pools that have cancer survivors, people who are trying to fight cancer are getting thrown out of their high-risk pools at the end of this year. as a cancer survivor, you want your whole focus to be on beating the disease. they're making a horrible mistake by trying to meet this when real people are getting hurt. >> there are people who will get insurance who never had insurance, and you have a small piece of the market who may lose plans.

many of those may get better plans. you made your argument. here's the bottom line question which goes to, will this be fixed? look at this poll back on november 18 to the 20th. will current problems facing the new health care law be solved? 54% do believe it will be solved. that's a level of credibility and belief in the system that presumably is very important. but let me ask you, congressman van hollen, we have seen delays in the still of the night. here are some of the headlines. the wednesday before thanksgiving now saying small businesses will have extra time before they can actually start signing up for health care benefits. should the individual mandate be delayed? this is the big part of health care. should that be delayed if you want this to work as well as it can? >> as you know, they already moved the deadline twice. they moved it to the end of march for the original mandate. we've extended this to december 23rd for people to sign up. we need to adapt.

we need to make sure we address problems as they come up and try to work on them on a bipartisan basis. mike says it's not political. in my pocket, eric cantor issued this playbook against obama care the other day. they're not trying to work with us on these issues. yes, there are problems, there's no denying that. let's work to fix them. we know when it's fixed it looks like california, it looks like new york, it looks like kentucky. >> you're not saying it's the republican's job to execute, right? this is the president's idea and it's his responsibility to execute, the federal government's responsibility to execute. >> no doubt about that. you have a lot of groups out there running ads telling people not to sign up. you have efforts to interfere with the navigators, people trying to get americans to sign up. democrats worked with republicans to get the job done

the prescription bill. >> nancy pelosi did not encourage people to sign up. should the original mandate be delayed if that's what it takes to get the program right? >> as of today, no. if you can't sign up, but right now, it looks like we're making progress. >> congressman van hollen, it's really important if the original mandate should be delayed. >> you're punishing these people. the number one reason people didn't have insurance was cost. what this has done is increase cost. so, again, they're making it political. as a matter of fact, they tried to get people to talk about politics at the thanksgiving table by talking about the president's health care law, and at their own family table. if that isn't political, i don't know what is. here's the problem. you have 15% of the population didn't have health insurance when this started, roughly. we think that number was high, closer to 10. what they've done is disrupt it for the 85% who had health care, and their costs are going up significantly. so we've broken the system to help a few.

nobody would fix a problem that way. and think of the people who are going through all of the anguish today for getting that pink slip on their medical insurance who have cancer, who have a wife that's pregnant. those folks are absolutely apoplectic. that's why i think it's crazy to say if we just tweak it a little bit, we'll take care of the problem. these are real life problems, and these folks are already having a hard time in the economy, and their health care insurance is going up and they have to figure out how to get it. >> he just put out so much misinformation in two seconds that i can't answer. the reality is it hasn't messed up 80% of the market. the individual market, which has already been broken, represents 5% of the market. a lot of those people were losing their health care on an annual basis before. we're trying to fix that. all the information about compromising your personal data, one of the great things about the affordable care act is we're not dealing with preexisting conditions. >> 80 million people will get

pink slips. 80 million people. >> we're not going to settle this here and now. we're out of time, but obviously this gives you some indication to our viewers about where this debate is and how political it will remain as we move ahead perhaps into the new year. congressman rogers, congressman van hollen, thank you very much. let's get a reality check. i want to turn to dr. ezequiel emanuel. and also editor of the "washington post" closely tracking the progress of the health care rollout. welcome to both of you. the reality test. here's the report saying dramatic progress, substantial progress, more work to do. you wrote in an op-ed some weeks ago that this is the time. this thanksgiving weekend, the deadline is here. is it good enough progress? >> i think it's good enough progress. clearly, just like google and facebook and all the internet sites are constantly tweaking their sites, constantly improving them.

this one still has a way to go. but it certainly is working reasonably well, i, in particular, want to shop and compare. the white house said it will improve either late tonight or tomorrow to the key area where people can see what's available, what the prices are. it's not working that well, but they're promising to have it improved. i think we are going the right direction, and for the first time, most importantly, we actually have effective management overseeing. we have an integrator who is over it. >> do they have enough young people to go and actually sign up? >> there are three things to getting folks to sign up. on the one hand, subsidies. the congressman said one of the reasons they don't sign up is cost. they're going to get hundreds and trillions of dollars in the market for subsidy. that's the reason they'll go in and be part of it. another piece of it is the individual mandate.

you guys were talking about this a couple moments ago, but at the end of this year, you're going to be paying a percentage of your income if you don't sign up for health insurance. that gets them in the market, too. the other thing that hasn't launched yet, but a couple months ago before the obama administration believed that the fault would be all about it not working, they thought it would be about a massive outreach effort they were going to launch using mayors, using governors, trying to get their mothers involved to get folks to sign up, by getting trusted validators to talk about it. >> in california the website is working and up, and there the proportion of kids signing up is a proportion of the population. so it does look like we are going to have enough if you have that data point. and if we can get the word out,

we'll get enough young people. >> when you hear the politicians that were just talking, and you hear the political debate, a lot of viewers have to be hearing that saying, what about the bottom -- when is this actually going to get solved? >> the website no doubt is going to get solved. that's a technical problem. >> there are other tests down the road. >> of course, there are other tests down the road. in the long run, in the next few years and end of the decade, this is going to have dramatic improvement. you'll have competition in the exchangers. we're already keeping costs down and will keep them down further. you have improvements in the health care system. hospitals have to work on infections, readmissions. >> but there is a more pessimistic case, which could be what? >> the more pessimistic case would be you have employers moving to the exchanges. the funny thing about this

debate is republicans believe that over time would be great. all of their plans, including paul ryan's 2010 plan, was about breaking down the base and moving people over. one of the things frustrating about this debate is we've gone to a place in politics where we've refused to accept the fact of this reform. the individual market is a place where the recent prices are what they are as we discriminate against the sick and the old and women and people who can't read the fine print of insurance. we are fixing that and it's going to be important that we fix it. it doesn't mean no one will have a tough time in the changeover, and we need to help those folks, but we also need to recognize if we're going to make things better, there is a process of difficulty to do that. >> i'm out of time, but this is really where i think the administration wants to argue the plus side that you've already seen on the affordable care act and argue the real peril of the status quo. i have to leave it there. but thank you both for being here. we're going to come back and talk a little about the catholic church.

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in his first major policy document released this week, the pope slams economic inequality and calls on the rich to share since becoming the first non-european pontiff this last march, he has broken many traditions of his predecessors, but what does the pope think about controversial issues such as obama care, gay marriage and abortion? before the pope's manifesto, i spoke one on one with one of the most influential triggers of the united states, cardinal timothy dolan, archbishop of new york. >> welcome to "meet the press." >> thank you, david. happy thanksgiving. you bet. >> i want to talk about some faith, some politics, but let's start with the church. what a remarkable year it's been with pope francis and the pope francis effect. his humanity has touched people the world over, not just catholics, and has made him an internet sensation, among other things.

how do you describe this francis effect on the church, and as i say, on humanity more broadly? >> all i know, david, i thank god for it, that's for sure, and i see it every day. i can't walk down the streets of new york, which i do a lot, without people stopping me and saying, cardinal, i'm not even a catholic, i'm not even a believer, but i love pope francis and thanks a lot for voting for him. because they love him. you put the finger on it when you spoke about his humanity. his sincerity, his complicity, his generosity, his humility. i think jesus is coming to us as catholics and humanity of the world through pope francis. >> the church doctrine remains the same, but you have described it as a change of tone. >> i would say a change of tone, a change of strategy. a pope by his nature cannot make doctrinal changes.

he can make a lot of changes in the way, the style, the manner in which it's presented. you know the best analogy of that? john xxiii. by the way, they're saying pope francis reminds them of john xxiii. he was pope to 1958. but he can do it in a way that makes it more radiant. >> could it get confusing if you do that? >> it could, but one of the appeals of francis is we have to take some risks. if we're just timid and afraid and afraid to go out and engage people and meet people and take some chances in presenting the faith, we're going to shrivel up and die. >> but he said we can't worry about birth control and abortion, that we worry too much

about those issues. is that a problem for you, that he believes that? >> that he would say that? no, not at all. i gave him a standing ovation when he said that. most of the time i say, i don't know that it's so much the church obsessed with that, it's the world obsessed with those things. they're always asking us about it. i look at myself, david, in my almost 37 years as a priest. rare would be the times that i preached about those issues. so francis is right. he's saying first things first. first let's talk about god, about his mercy, about his love, about his forgiveness, about his invitation, about his embrace, about his promise for life eternal through his son jesus. you talk about that and then morals, doctrine, that will fall into place. >> but some of the moral debates, this is where there are

debates, this is where there is tension. >> sure. >> what is the natural evolution of a change in tone, a change in the packaging of this pope to actual change in church policy on some of these matters? >> yeah, i don't know if that's too new, though. i would say since the time of jesus christ, there has always been tension, difficulty, conflict in the application of the teaching. i mean, i look at my jewish neighbors. they have the torah. there's the law, pretty clear. the application is always going to bring some debate in conversation. we christians, we catholics have the sermon on the mount. the application, that's where the rubber hits the road. that's where there will always be conversation and a little bit of disagreement. >> what is his effect on american politics, for instance, on some of these issues, be it abortion or gay marriage? what is the impact? >> on politicians or on catholics?

>> well, on the public debates, on the political debates in this country around these issues. >> i will tell you this. i would say for committed catholics, and thanks be to god there is a lot of them. i love them, i'm grateful for them this thanksgiving weekend, they would say what pope francis has done is reminded us of the latitude of catholic beliefs and catholic principles. those who would try to closet us, maybe, and just in what you might call below the belt issues be that gay marriage or abortion or prostitution. that's important and the teaching on that is unwavering. but pope francis has said wait we forgive, the way we help the poor, the way we reach out to the sick, the forgotten, those on the side of the road, that is as strong an imperative as anything else. >> what about obama care? you have voiced your displeasure with certain aspects of it in

terms of mandates for hospitals and so forth. what about the overall goal of it? do you think it will ultimately prevail? would you like it? do you think it's important for the country that universal health care insurance is available? >> yep. and i'm glad you allow me to make that distinction, david. we bishops have really been in a tough place because we're far universal comprehensive life-affirming health care. the bishops of the united states, can you believe it, in 1919 came out for more affordable, more comprehensive, more universal health care. that's how far back we go in this battle, okay? we're not johnny come latelies. we've been asking for reform in health care for a long time, so we were kind of an early supporter in this. where we were bristling and saying, uh-oh, this is excluding the unborn baby so we began to bristle at that. and secondly we said, wait a

minute, we catholics are kind of among the pros when it comes to providing health care, do it because of the dictates of our conscience, and now we're being asked to violate some of those. that's when we begin to worry and draw back and say, mr. president, please, you're really kind of pushing aside some of your greatest supporters here. we want to be with you, we want to be strong, and if you keep doing this, we're not going to be able to be one of your cheerleaders. that, sadly, is what happened. >> are you disappointed on another debate on immigration, that it appears that republicans in this case don't see a pathway any longer toward getting this done? >> immigration would be one of those issues that shows that those who try to pigeonhole bishops, pastors, catholics are wrong. on health care we might be upset with the democrats, the administration. on immigration we're saying to the house of representatives, which is dominated by the republicans, you guys got to get your act together. this is the best chance we've had in fair and just immigration reform.

it's in your lap and doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and we're not going to let you off the hook. so yeah, we're disappointed there as well. >> let me touch on gay marriage. this week illinois is becoming the 16th state, including d.c., to allow same-sex marriage. do you think this is evolving in such a way that ultimately it will be legal everywhere, or is it the opposite, that there will be a backlash and the status quo will be maintained? >> i would be a pollyanna that there doesn't seem to be a stance of doing this. sometimes we've been caricatured as being anti-gay, and as much as we say we're pro marriage, we're not anti anybody. i don't know, when you have forces like politicians, when you have forces like some opinion molders that are behind it, it's a tough battle.

i do think, though, to get back to your question, david, back in 1973 with roe v. wade, everyone said, this is a fargone conclusion. it's going to be back-burnered. to this day it remains probably the most divisive issue in american politics. if you look at some of the changing attitudes you say, wow. we're beginning to affect the young with the pro-life message. >> you don't think the gay marriage debate is over? >> no, i don't think it is. >> i think of thanksgiving as i think of the holidays generally as a wonderful opportunity to separate from our lives and to think about gratitude. however, i don't have to tell you how commercial these holidays become and we think more about recipes for the holiday. let me ask you, your eminence. what's your recipe for expressing gratitude?

>> by the way, i'm not against recipes. i kind of like them myself. the right recipe is this. i think it comes down to humility, which is the key, both the people of the book, jews and christians, would say humility is the key virtue. without god, we're nothing. with god, everything is possible. we realize every breath we take is an unmerited gift from a lavishly loving god, that prompts us literally to fall to our knees and say thank you. it also reminds us we're not the center of the universe. it's not about me, it's about him and his people. that's gratitude, that's faith, that's humility, that's thanksgiving. >> and there could be -- we laugh about it often, but there could be family pain and dysfunction, but it's an opportunity, again, to separate and say, where is my perspective in my life? >> isn't it a paradox every year that there is pain at thanksgiving. oh, my god, my family is dysfunctional, but you wouldn't be anywhere else at thanksgiving. you're already looking forward to going back there, and that's

the beauty of family and community. >> good to see you. >> you, too, david. happy thanksgiving. when we come back here, the politics of health care and a term we haven't heard in a while, hillary care. david brooks, andrea mitchell, chuck todd and mayor of baltimore, stephanie rawlings-blake. one prominent political mit

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>> welcome, stephanie rawlings-blake, mayor of baltimore, first time on "meet the press." mayor since 2010, serves on the national democratic committee as well. nice to have you here. >> nice to be here. >> the question is how good are things, really, and chuck, there are so many stories about how angry the president is. they want to separate the president from all the problems, but where is the accountability? does someone have to be fired before americans think we're on the right track? >> if this doesn't turn out to be the fix, if this website fix doesn't turn out to work as well as they're promising right now on various conference calls, what they're promising as far as the public is concerned, then i think you would see republican accountability and some demand for action. all of these reports and all of this weekend sort of placement of where the website is at this point, all of it seems

irrelevant to me because we haven't had a real test of the system. they say it can handle up to 50,000 at one time. okay, let's see what happens. they're hesitant to market it this week, and they're not going to -- this is a soft launch, this is a beta test. >> it's also the fact of what happens when people actually start enrolling and insurers start interacting and bills have to be paid when people put claims in? all those larger tests are so far down the road. it seems to me to put out a fact sheet today and say they have 400 bugs fixed, what kind of bugs? big bugs, little bugs? but the bigger question is also going back to how this happened, what is the management inside the white house? how much is the president reaching out to outside advisers? is he only consulting with friends who are his top advisers inside the white house, or is he really getting the best opinion behind the management consultant trying to fix this.

>> here's something put out in the "washington post" by dan balz. by almost any measure, this has been a lost year for obama on the domestic front. the flawed rollout of the health care law, the most important initiative of his tenure, has been a huge setback. >> i think that's a bit of an overstatement. a lost year? focusing on trying to get more people affordable health care? at the end of the day, everyone knows, we can all agree the rollout could have been, should have been better. but underneath all that is democrats and the president trying to make sure the people have health care. that is the side that we should be on, not this sort of is it right, is it wrong, should he be mad about it, should he not be mad about it? this is about making sure people can live.

>> can government be nimble, can government learn from its mistakes? i would say the website is just a small symptom. government is like an offensive lineman. it can do blocking, it can create order. when you ask the government to be a wide receiver, you're asking them to do things they can't do. republicans win elections when the government asks them to do things they can't do. >> page three of the report it says here, the team is reacting with private sector velocity and effectiveness. that's an acknowledgment that, you know what, this was a government operation for a long time and it failed. now we're bringing in the private sector folks. that is an indictment on the whole idea of government as a solution, frankly, when you look at this. >> and the president as a manager, and people around him who can get the bureaucracy to move in a particular direction, which is not easy, but this is your point on how nimble government is.

>> the challenge is i think the goals are laudable, mayor, and it's something the president articulated brilliantly as an election and reelection mantra. but this is a tough bet, and he had a responsibility to make sure the rollout was not this disastrous in order to achieve these goals. because now they're at risk of losing the credibility of government as an agent of change. >> republicans are insistent in relentless pursuit of failure. we have democrats, we have republicans, nobody is rooting against each other. we know that when cities succeed, the country succeeds. in congress, we have people that are standing on the sidelines rooting for failure. we know the rollout was botched. but democrats are focused on trying to build and trying to fix it. >> i'm just saying the president gave his opponents, and you can certainly make the argument that

he has had this monolithic republican opposition in congress, and that's a good and valid excuse. but he gave them a weapon against him. >> you're conservative about saying, look, you have a big idea. you have to execute. >> people said that about iraq, too, so we've had a couple execution failures. i asked president obama, what did you learn being president that you haven't learned before? he said there is a passive aggressive behavior in government. government can do things really well, social security, move checks here and there really well. this sort of nimbleness, this is a lot tougher. adjustment to failure, a lot tougher. it doesn't mean you're hating government all the time, but there are a lot of roles. >> i've been studying america and the enlightened period of the individual liberty as a real

source of the government experience, and yet in more modern times that government should, as you were saying, mayor, play a role to do good, to use its power to actually fix big societal problems, but we do have this in conflict because the goal to do good to a lot of people feels like telling them what to do. >> that's right. there's always been this retrenchment of collectiveness on one hand, and especially you're bringing up the early period. you know, this country was divided. sort of the northern part you had the initial settlers were okay with collectivism, but the folks that integrated and migrated to the south weren't that way. health care is just the icing on the cake. where is immigration? his push for guns? rebuilding trust in government? there were all these things that he thought in the second term,

this his election to validation of a second term was going to do, and it's not just a lost year, it's a setback. >> here's another aspect of it. we look ahead to 2016. hillary clinton and health care. we've done some checking on this and hear republicans talking a lot about hillary clinton in this context. listen. >> if you like your plan, you can keep it? that was not accidental. that was following the lessons from the fight over hillary care. what took hillary care down is that people realized, holy cow, i might lose my health insurance, i might lose my doctor. >> who ever thought this was going to work? but i have to tell you, this is really hillary care. >> we can't forget she was the original author of hillary care back in, i believe, 1983, and that would have been a disaster as well. >> i would think they would be a little more artful. the leading candidate is clearly obvious.

i don't think it shows them being agile in putting forth what they would do, because they have offered nothing. >> they're sticking to the playbook. they've tried 50 times to repeal it, and for what? we know the system is broken. what's the fix? >> the republican really messed up with the government shutdown, we have the obama website. suicide will be a concern next. we'll see. >> what the government worries about in terms of the website, if we're talking about this in the same way come january, then all of a sudden, the candidates out there, a lot of democrats have taken tough votes. they'll be hard pressed to go out there and do the same thing. >> this is republicans hoping that if she say hillary care, she'll step in. they almost want to divide the party. >> coming up, the roundtable is going to be coming back. as we give thanks this holiday weekend, harry smith will have the pointed story of the victim of the boston marathon bombing,

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and we are back. the words boston strong are now synonymous with the april terror bombing that shook that city. for some those words now mean a lifelong mission to overcome wounds that might never completely heal. on this thanksgiving weekend, our harry smith has an amazing story of a victim that represents the true theory of boston strong.

>> mary daniels is determined. she is going to climb the hill no matter what. it will take this american tourist the better part of an hour. >> it was a big hill, and i had to climb the hill, and that was the only way i would have the full view of vienna and have hot chocolate. this is so beautiful. >> you wanted to climb to the top. why did you want to walk all the way up that hill? >> symbolically, for me climbing the hill means a lot to me. it's almost similar to what i'm going through right now, and facing the hill to me meant facing my own challenges. >> last spring mary was near the finish line of the boston

marathon, a favorite day in the city she loves. >> this energy of happiness and togetherness, i wanted to be there. i wanted to be part of that. >> reporter: she would awaken days later in the hospital to learn she had lost her left leg. doctors were doing all they could to save the right one. yet she had no anger, no self-pity. >> i'm very thankful and grateful. but i'm also grateful for life to be able to even see this thanksgiving. i came close to dying, and that is something to celebrate. >> reporter: we wanted to tell mary's story this thanksgiving because mary herself is a kind of modern day pilgrim. she came to america from haiti, a teenager who couldn't speak a word of english. >> in the u.s. you're offered a lot of opportunities, and if you work at it, if you apply yourself, you can actually achieve whatever you want to achieve. >> reporter: she studied biochemistry at umass, got her medical degree in europe and

became a u.s. citizen. >> i can dare to believe, dare to dream, dare to disagree and dare to be whatever i want to be. >> reporter: do you still believe that? >> yes. >> reporter: mary is the person we wish we were more like, undeterred even by the biggest obstacles. >> there are challenges we have to face and overcome. it might be losing a limb for me, it might be something else for someone else. >> reporter: and you feel like what happened to you is no different from any other challenge any of the rest of us face on any given day? >> yeah, that's what i feel. >> reporter: positive but not pollyanna-ish. maybe you could call it old-fashioned american optimism. >> my first step was very phenomenal. i was so happy when i took my first step. >> reporter: and then the second? >> and now i don't know how many. it's easier uphill.

>> reporter: an optimism forged from a life where nothing was taken for granted, an immigrant's life. does some of it have to do with where you came from? >> i think so, and i think it could be part of my culture that prepared me for this. >> reporter: you see a lot of people who could be really despairing, right? >> yes. but they're smiling. >> reporter: mary, in case you're wondering, did get her cup of hot chocolate atop that hill in vienna. she told us she expects to complete her medical boards in a year or so. we have no doubts. then she said she's headed to colorado next month to learn how to ski. happy thanksgiving. >> thank you. happy thanksgiving to you, too. >> i love that. the boston herald wrote about the courage of the survivors of boston. the eloquence of some of these survivors, i think, is what had a huge impact. >> that story is incredibly inspiring.

what gratitude we have to her. >> we have so many people who are maimed and get that idea that they're humbled by the fact they're still alive. >> their strength is amazing. you see them and you ask yourself, if it were me, would i have it in me to be that strong and to look at it as an opportunity to live differently, to change. >> great story. we're going to come back with our roundtable. we'll talk a little about foreign policy, the challenges facing the u.s. overseas at the moment. iran, afghanistan just this weekend increasing tensions with china. how is the president handling it all? we're back with our roundtable after this. asing if i can impart one lesson to a new business owner, it would be one thing i've learned is my philosophy is real simple american express open forum is an on-line community, that helps our members connect and share ideas to make smart business decisions. if you mess up, fess up. be your partners best partner. we built it for our members, but it's open for everyone. there's not one way to do something.

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week's images to remember. i did love the guy on twitter pour me coffee who wrote, good job today, sports. >> i'm still shell shocked. >> we're not talking about any more sports because we're running out of time. but you're here with first read sunday. a lot to look forward to in the week ahead. surely they can get a budget deal with everything going so well on health care. >> on december 13, house republican paul ryan when it comes to the budget, nancy pelosi, they have to come up

with a top line number that they're agreeing to saying in order to avoid a shutdown in january. remember, we ran out of funding in january, so december 13 is when they have to come up with this line, and i don't want to get into sequester and all these issues, but it has come to just this very small agreement. i think they will. democrats have a little leverage here, david, because republicans don't want the story to get away from health care, so democrats could use that to get a little more of their way. >> as we get into 2014, the election year, do the republicans have a shot in the senate? >> i think they do, but there's one more big retirement we're looking at, thad cochran from mississippi. are there some democrats that just don't like it in the senate? you always hear mark warner doesn't like it. there's no sign he's going to retire. does lindsey graham get all these challenges from the right? that is the decision we're trying to find out.

the big takeaway, no matter what happens in 2014, the senate is getting more conservative, period. >> we'll get into a discussion on foreign policy, starting with this afghanistan deadline. >> karzai won't sign this deal. susan rice went over to save it and she couldn't save it with the president. they're saying, what's going on? i thought you agreed to this whole deal. does the president himself have to get this done? they can't seem it get this done by the end of the year. >> here and reporting over the weekend, president rouhani in iran saying, we're going to enrich uranium. is there any reason to think that iran gives up its nuclear option? >> no. iran is now cementing that. rouhani went on an interview with the sentinel times, and this is creating big problems with iran's neighbors.

they all gave up their right to enrich and the saudis already paid for a nuclear program. pakistan, all they have to do is call that debt in and say, send it over. proliferation is a real threat, but the question from the white house is, what are the options? >> isn't it a question, too, about who gets to decide about israel having its own nuclear capacity? does the united states have the ability to direct that? >> no, but our policy should be those who have it should keep it and those who don't shouldn't get it. that's the root of stability in the middle east and we're losing that. the problem with iran is it's not like negotiating with the soviets in the '80ls. the iranians still believe in the resolution. they still have that religious fervor. that's why it's dangerous. they have religious fervor combined with nuclear weapons. it's just bad. >> you've got issues like

afghanistan, but principally iran, that could become an even larger issue here in his second term, the president's second term, that could crowd out these other issues. does it concern you? >> it really doesn't concern me, because underneath all that, americans are war weary. i think it was very clear in 2008, 2012. people want other options on the table. so, you know, what is your other option? you have to come up with something else because there is no tolerance for us to enter into another war. >> what about what's happening with china? give me a brief primer on that. the president is talking about a pivot to asia and now you have china not so comfortable with that, flexing its muscles in east china. >> this is threatening. china declaring ownership over these uninhabited islands. it's a direct challenge to japan. the u.s. says it will stand by japan.

the vice president is going to tokyo on a previously planned trip arriving tomorrow and then on to china. we stand with japan, we're sending our b-52s but we're warning commercial aviation to stay out of that zone without properly warning the chinese. we don't want to recognize china's unilateral demand that it owns this disputed territory, and a confrontation could ensue. >> china will assert its importance, yet diplomatically, militarily, even perhaps economically in 2014, it may not be the u.s.' equal on these questions. >> it's really a psychological problem. china is an extreme inferiority complex. it's like a lot of people in washington, actually. how do you deal with someone like that? my view is you just embrace them and keep them in the order. a constant embrace. >> we're going to leave it there. thank you all for the discussion today. appreciate it very much. that is it for us today. we'll be back next week, in new york next week. if it's sunday it's "meet the press." ck next week, in new

york next week. if it's sunday it's "meet the press." unfortunately, it's just the most horrible thing. >> the sound was unbelievably loud. >> we had several people that were either trapped under cars or partially under cars. we had to mostly lift the train to get to pull them out. the train see pretty beat up. the train flipped to some degree. >> there is no excuse for this. there is no reason why people coming home from the holiday should be dead. >> breaking news today. a deadly train derailment in new york city. hello to you all. i'm tj holmes. craig melvin is off. a commuter train jumped the tracks stopping just sort of the water's edge. federal investigators are on the

scene to figure out what went wrong. we'll to governor cuomo live. >> i can't believe it. i've been a fast and furious own fan since 2001. >> how can this happen? he just released a movie. next they think ying you know, . >> actor paul walker dies in a fiery car crash. he was just 40 years old. also ahead today, rebooted. today officials said the obama care website is vastly improved, but how many repairs still need to be made in we're live at the white house. also today, vice president biden heads to asia to ease a standoff over disputed air space. just one of the tense owing topics that will be discussed. >> this is how i will get enough dna so i can get a dna profile. >> and dna tests in minutes, not months. forensic breakthrough that is fighting crime and saving tax money. that is today's big idea.

but we need to start with that breaking news in new york. federal investigators are on the scene of a deadly rail accident, at least four people dead, 67 injured after a new york city bound commuter train derailed early this morning. the train went off the tracks in the bronx shortly after 7:00 a.m.. the lead car came to rest just inches from the river's edge. kristen dahlgren is live for us on the scene in the bronx. what is the very latest? >> reporter: hooif, the ntsb is scene trying to figure out what went wrong. they will be looking for the black box recorders. also doing interviews with those who were on the train, any eye wets. so there is a lot to go through. we have heard from some who were on the train that it appeared to be going fast, also from people who heard this crash saying it really was a screeching sound, sounded defendant than other trains they have heard through.

is this a curve that the train goes around and the trains are supposed to go from about 70 miles per hour down to 30 miles per hour. so a very steep curve that it goes around. and so a lot of people looking at that trying to federal government out if speed was a factor. i know you'll be talking with the governor live, but what he said earlier was that there is no apparent problem with the track here, that speed appears to be the issue. either operator error or perhaps the brakes didn't work. they have gotten some sometimes by the engineer indicating the speed or brakes may be at issue. so they have now spoken with the engineer, the engineer conductor taken to different hospitals. they will be talking with them again and anyone else who was on the train. but really just a mohorrific scene. we're seeing the pictures and video of the passengers who were injured just lined up one after the other after the other being triaged waiting to get out of here to get help at local

hospitals. >> all right. kristen dahlgren live on the scene for us in the bronx. thank you so much. and as she mentioned, we will be speaking to governor cuomo here at the bottom of the hour. well tu will turn now to th status of the government's health care website. the administration had set a self imposed deadline of november 30 for fixing the site's performance. kristen welker is at the white house for us. are they feeling confidence that it's working the way they said it would? >> they seem to be confident, certainly more confident than they were several weeks ago. they held a conference call with reporters earlier today, officials who had been working on this site including the man put this charge of feof fixing healthcare.gov. they say the site can hold 50,000 users at one team. that was their stated goal. they say that means that every

day it can sustain about 800,000 users and then the other big metric here is that according to the administration, it's functioning at about a 95% success rate. so they feel like that is a vast improvement. republicans today, though, t.j., fanned out on the morning talk shows and said if it's not 100% about, it's not enough. they acknowledge there still a lot more work to do. they say one of the key questions is how quickly are the 50,000 people able to move through the site, how quickly and how smoothly are they actually able to enroll. and then the other big question mark, how many people will the site be able to support as we get closer to that december 23 deadline that's when folks need to sign up in order to have coverage by january 1st. the site will need to support far more than 50,000 years. and i asked administration

officials about that, they wouldn't say specifically if they were confident that they would be able to meet that deadline. they instead said they continue to work to make improvements. so those are some of the things that folks are looking at at this key deadline gets under way. anecdotally, we've spoken to people who say it seems as though the site is functioning far more smoothly than it was several weeks ago. we will get the first actual figures in about two more weeks. >> chrkristien welker, thank yo much. time for us to return to our brain trust. ed o'keefe, peter sutterman. there was a conference call this morning with report he is to gr give us an update, and jeff zent techlt, this is what he had to

say. >> the bottom line, health care got govern .gov is night and day from where it was. >> sounds pretty confident in my p opinion. so is this the day where it shifts from a technical problem to maybe the conversation being about health care and the system in this country? >> leave it to the republicans to continue the same line that they began on october 1st. and so the work of the government which they began is to get in front much the pure politics of it and demonstrate the ways in which it is working. so they need to hear the real life stories of people who have gone on to the seethe, found deals that were better than what they had before. now we all have the eye on 2014 and the success stories of around this working affordable health care act will speak positively for the democrats. >> we might start hearing some of those and maybe the confidence the white house is tart to go have, but still on

friday, kathleen sebelius still said that she is urging individuals to shop healthcare.gov during off peak hours. confident but still cautious? >> yeah, the idea that is website is only workable during off peak hours and only about 80% are going to really be only to help about 80% of the people who visit the? i don't understand how the government can still consider that a success. certainly they're saying it will need a little more work in the coming weeks. but if this site continues to have trouble through the month of december,s if going to be very challenge for democrats to try to turn the site towards a more favorable opinion of the overall law and the efforts to get people more affordable coverage. i reported last week that democrats had basically told lawmakers go out during the thanksgiving recess and try to find success stories, people who have benefited from this law. we haven't seen those yet. conceivably in the coming days as democrats trickle back into washington, they will start highlighting some of those

examples if they can find them and if people are willing to talk about it. but certainly they have to do that very quickly in tandem with a website that is allegedly getting better. >> and peter, this fed into some people's already preconceived notions that the government can't do everything for you, steems they need to leave things in the hands of the private sector. will we look back on this as a team for lessons to be learned? maybe it would have been better off if you just let the private sector handle this thing? >> well, certainly hhs is actually feeding that perception. in their report this morning in the front page, the overview, they actually said that the team that is working on healthcare.gov is now functioning with private vector velocity and efficiency, that is their words. private sector velocity and fash city. which is their admission that government levels aren't enough

and they needed to switch over to a private sector model. the real question here is there are several billing questions including how much of the site is left to be brelt. 30% to 40% has not the even been constructed yet and we don't know whether or not insurers are getting the proper information. consumer experience seems to be somewhat improved, but if the information isn't getting to insurers, that's a big problem. >> you were shaking your head. >> the reality is leaving it to the private sector would mean people would have no health care at all. their singular motivation for business is profit. and a challenge also with health quarter has been to provide health care for the millions who simply cannot afford who was being offered in the first place. >> even on the issue of just the technical aspect of the website, do you think the private sector may have done a better job? >> no. i think the point that is made about private sector velocity matter, but it was really important -- there is a standard

reality the government does provide specific elements and that's what it is there to do. and so to negate that especially from republicans who shut the government down for almost 16 days. it's a little rich. >> i want to play something -- i need to change gears here. i need to run this. this is from -- we're turning to national security here. democrats and republicans, two chairs here, questioning the president on maybe some of his national security. listen. >> are we safer now than we were a year ago, two years ago? in general. >> i don't think so. i think terror is up worldwide. the sets indicate that. the fatalities are way up. the numbers are way up. there are new bombs, very big bombs, trucks being reenforced, the bombmaker is tell alive. there are more groups than ever.

and there is huge made left lens out there. >> i degree. >> what does it mean to hear that sentiment there both sides? >> no surprise that they're saying things aren't safer, partly because it's in their interests to keep a focus on that issue, with you certainly reports suggest that things are not necessarily as safe as they could be and if there is anyone would knows it, it would be the two of them. >> the public is concerned about this, but you actually look at the polls on these issues, and you see that the public right now does trust the president more on national security issues than on a lot of the domestic policy issues, healthcare.gov's problems have contributed to that. and so this is kind of putting the focus back on some of those issues especially in lift the

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biden is heading to asia as the white house is urging north korea to release two americans held there. 85-year-old korean war veteran

merrill newman has been obtained since october 26th. this video allegedly shows newman newman confessing to crimes. another american citizen kenneth bayh has been detained for over a year. gordon chang is the and you are authorize of the coming lapse of china. thank you for being here. since 2009, 7 americans have been detained there. who is north korean getting out of these types of actions? >> in the past they had president clinton and carter go there and i think that helped the regime because it showed the united states asking for the mercy of north korean regime. but the bom edobama administrats not given anything to cokenneth

bayh and that's the right thing to do because we need to stop this cycle. >> so you're saying this is essentially another propaganda move for north korea. no surprise to hear that. but you mentioned president clinton is helping get the two american journalists out. so what ask sask it take to get americans back home? >> that's the only thing that has worked. relations haven't worked. we've seen merrill newman is leak t leak the 7th american. this is really a bad thing. >> so to stop the cycle, we have to stop the cycle of participating. let's turn to china. vice president biden is on his way over. but this tense standoff over this air defense zone now and again this was so fascinating, i

want to follow up with you before we even came on the air here, you're saying will is a real crisis this china and this is why we're seeing them almost acting out. >> i think the political system is in distress. there are a lot of signs that their leader has not consolidated control and enhe's used the air defense zone to create a confrontation. the people's liberation army is now the most powerful faction which means that we have pretty nationalistic generals and admirals driving policy. so china is acting according to a logic that the rest of the world is not familiar with and i don't think biden can do very much about that. >> that was the question next. what kind of expectation should we have? 14 should we have none and be pleased with anything that comings out? >> cwhat we need to do is show e won't respect the zone. >> and how will that affect our

relationship. >> >> it will be strained, but it's straped nonetheless because the problems are on china's side, not on ours. this administration and the ones before it have tried to bring them into the international system. yet relations are even more strained. on our assumptions are probably faulty. >> gordon, thank you so much for being here on the holiday weekend. >> thank you. well, today also is world aids day. the u.n. says 35 million people around the world live with hiv, infection that can lead to aids. but only 9 million have access to treatment. elton john's partner has launched a new effort to promote hiv testing. >> i think symbolically if i'm going to talk the talk, i need to walk the walk. even though i'm in a committed relationship, i want it to be

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we get them. first major policy document just released, the joy of the gospel, pope francis slams economic inequality and calls on the rich to share the wealth. saying, some people ten to defend trickle down theories. this opinion which has never been confirmed by the facts expresses accrued and naive trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power. meanwhile the excluded are still waiting. the man is not mentioning words. joining me now, father thomas reese, analyst for the national catholic reporter. father, thank you for being here. he's talking about a lot of issues like poverty, inequality, capitalism. we kind of thought he might go this direction, but he's not mincing word. how are his words? certainly in a document like this. being received? >> he's not meincing words at all. the way he's different is he knows how to use words. they talk like academics in an

vakss. he knows how to find a punch line and sound bite that makes the point. this is a man who as a pastor would walk through the slums and hear their tragic stories. his heart is with those people. he wants an economy that serves people, that creates jobs. and gives jobs to these kinds of people. not an economy that people serve. >> let me bring up an op-ed that was in the new yo"new york time talking about his vision. it says the pope's vision should matter to american catholics who usually cast ballots for republican politicians. the pope's words shouldn't inspire them to convert en masse liberalism, but they should encourage a much greater integration of catholic and conservative ideas. so you tell me, sir, how do you think his words, how could he

actually affect domestic politics here? >> well, i don't positi think h trying to affect domestic politics, he's trying to affect people's hearts. he wants us to look at the poor, to realize how they're suffering. we see in congress where they're talking about cutting food stamps for hungry children. this is just not right. maybe the food stamp program needs improving. fine. or maybe it needs replacing fine. but make sure you have something that takes care of hungry children. that provides jobs for people. he's not one who idolizes the market, doesn't turn the market into some kind of a god. rather, he sees that there is a role of government in regulating the economy, and in making sure that people have jobs. because the role of government is to seek the common good for society. >> father, let me get in a sound

bite here from cardinal dolan talking about same sex marriage on "meet the press". >> david, back in 1973 with row v. wade, everybody said this is a far gone conclusion, in a couple year this is issue will go away, it will be back burnered. to this day, it remains probably the most divisive issue in american politics and as you look at some of the changing attitudes, you say, wow, we're beginning to affect the young with the pro-life message. >> so you don't think the gay marriage debate is over? >> i don't think it is. >> father, are you with him on that, that the issue of same-sex marriage is becoming more divisive? is. >> i try not to ever disagree with cardinal dolan. he's bigger than i am and he wears a red hat. on the other hand, as a social scientist, i look at the data. and it's quite clear that there is a tsunami of young people coming that see no problem with gay marriage and this is not

going to be an issue for them. i think gay marriage is going to be like divorce and remarriage. it's something that the church will have to live with, may not like it, but it will have to live with it. >> all right. father, we do appreciate you being here on this sunday on this holiday weekend. take you care. >> thank you. and we will continue to monitor today's breaking story, a deadly train derailment in new york city. federal investigators are on the scene this hour, the very latest coming your way next. also ahead, an identity crisis. the fad of sports teams after native americans has come and gone, so why is that name the washington redskins so long lasting so lasting? also how one police department is setting a trend with today's breakthrough. paws off pal. just one squeeze? just enjoy it with your eyes. [ female announcer ] new charmin ultra soft is so soft, you don't even have to squeeze it to believe it. for the first time, you can actually see the softness

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investigators are on the scene of the deadly train derailment in new york. four killed, 67 injured when a new york commuter train came off

the tracks in the bronx. 11 are in critical condition. andrew cuomo joins us. governor, what have you been told? the investigation is going on now. but so far, what have you been told about what possibly could have caused this accident? >> we're waiting for the ntsb to do their full investigation. the black box will be retrieved and that will say how fast the train was traveling and whether or not the brakes were applied, et cetera. but two basic factors. one is track conditioned a the second is the operation of the train itself. the track appeared fine. we're looking more tors the operation of the vehicle and speed of the train. that can be equipment failure or operator error. we don't know at this time. we're also most concerned with

the victims and their families, four people lost their lives as you mentioned, we have 11 still in critical condition. so our thoughts and prayers are with them. >> sir, describe the scene best you can. you were out there. and we had a woman say this morning that there is no excuse for her to be able to -- or to have to get on a train and something like this happen. we've had plenty issue it is seems with the metro north train. just to that sentiment, that why does something like this i should say keep happen something because it seems like we have had issues with this train. >> well, why do accidents happen, right? that's the basic question. why do we lose four new yorkers in this apparently pointless act. as i said, we'll got the full

information from the ntsb. that particular piece of track is problematic. it's a sharp turn because the hudson river meets the harlem river there. so the track makes a very sharp turn. trains go from about 70 miles per hour down to about 30 miles per hour. but that doesn't answer this. the trains negotiate that turn dozens of teams all day long. so there has to be something else here. that's why we want to find out what the ntsb says. but whatever it is, first and foremost, our concern is safety. most of all we want safe travel. and we're going to get it. we just have to find out what lesson there is to learn from this tragedy. >> governor cuomo, i know it will be a bessie rest t busy da appreciate you updating our viewers.

>> thanks for having me. we want to turn to a tragedy out in los angeles. they're still trying to determine what caused the crash that killed actor paul walker yesterday. although it does look like at this point speed may have been a factor. law enforcement found 2005 porsche carrera gt engulfed in fla flachl preliminaries when they arrived. walker and another victim were pronounced dead. let me bring in chris witherspoon. i want you to first of all explain to folks, because we did have people at any time really know the name. they know the movies. he's a part of a big deal franchise in hollywood. >> this franchise "fast and furious" is universal's biggest franchise ever. they grossed over $2 billion over 14 years or 13 years. and it's just incredible loss.

he was 40, young, arguably still had a whole career ahead of him. he still could have made big moves. and this film, it had huge numbers and he was currently on the set filming -- or in between set takes filming upcoming new "fast and furious" due in theaters july 2014. >> what do we know about what he was up to? he was at a charity event, but those last moments of his life. >> even in the last moments before he died, it really proved that he was a celebrity trying to give back. give back to humanity and to a cause that was close to him, the typhoon that occurred recently in the philippine, he was hosting a charity event for reach out worldwide. and he was leaving that charity event with a friend and that's when the accident occurred. the car was badly burned. there was an explosion. but we don't know exactly what caused the crash. the deputy's assistant in los angeles reached out and said that they're trying to

investigate and find out what was the cause of the crash. >> what now, what kind of a loss to hollywood? we talked about the franchise. what doessdoes the franchise do moving forward? >> i was looking ing oing on t so many stars have come outwooe. and his cast meats were really close. they were all part of this huge franchise. they're like a family. vin diesel always talked about how they were so close onset and even after, they would leave from these sets, they would have these huge parties at the each other's houses. they were like brothers. so like a loss of a family member i think. >> shock to go a ling to a lot . that franchise, universal is the

parent company of this network. so want to get that in there. thanks for being here. a quick look at other stories making news. crews have started to remove the wreckage of that police helicopter that crashed in scotland. eight people died. the chief constable says he can't rule out either possibility of that number rising. 12 remain in hospitals across the area. same-sex couples will begin saying i do in hawaii tomorrow. couples will be allowed to apply for marriage licenses just after midnight tonight. lawmakers realized same-sex marriage in the state last month after the governor there called a special session. and deep discounts and door buster deals across black friday led to more store visits and spending this year compared to last year. according to shop track, consumers spent an estimated $12.3 billion across those two days, it is up some 2.3% from

last year. today's big idea, traditionally dna testing has taken sometimes years to get back. but since 2010, some have started to use a 30 day turn around technology. now one pennsylvania town is deploying 90 meant kits to turn around dna tests and catch alleged criminals. >> everybody thinks dna, all these problems, people are nervous. if you're innocent, your dna shouldn't be on that knife that just robbed the 7-eleven, shouldn't be on the blood that we got on the person's window. so if you're innocent, dna will help you keep you out of jail. >> i guess that's a good point being made by my guest here. fred herron from the pennsylvania police department and the vice president of the company that makes the testing. help me understand this.

why did it take so long, first of all, to get dna results in the past? >> well, actually, 30 days is actually very quick. normally in pennsylvania and throughout the country, if we were to submit dna and if they took property crime dna, you're talking 10 to 14 months to get it turned back. >> why? >> because back slog slog is hun you go a estastate lab. we privatized it and they were doing it in 30 days. which is fantastic. but now we're 90 minutes which is just star wars stuff. >> so andrew, let me talk about the star wars stuff with you. technology, do i have it right, the technology necessarily isn't new, it's just a matter of he doesn't have to send to another lab where another 100 police departments are also sending their dna, so now he's the priority for you and you can turn it around like that?

>> well, it's kind of leak that. we actually do have agencies throughout the country submitting samples to us, but what we've done since 2007 or 2008, we initiated some research where we were trying to look at modifications to the technologies, the process itself, and the review time. and really what we've done is with the goal of turning around samples in 60 to 90 minutes, our researchers and scientists have developed new procedures that allow us to push the samples through. and we're doing it both on reference samples and crime scenes. >> is this technology reliable and do we have any test cases if you will to know that this would be admissible in court the way other lab test results will be admissible? >> sure. this technology is absolutely reliable. we wouldn't have rolled it out to the bensalem police tent without ensuring it was validated to our standards. our scientists can testify to

the technology and science. and while we haven't had an opportunity to testify to this yet because what bensalem police department has done, this is a first of a kind program. they're the first to really do this. so it's perfectly validated and ready to go. >> so why you all i guess? here we think maybe a big police department somewhere, why tiny bep salem? >> a good question. we've been doing the dna testing since 2010. this was just the next step to us. and i'm willing to try anything new. anything -- we're not making widgets. we're making people safe. we're selling safety and crime prevention. and if we can get -- we have some great stories of criminal has would have went on for months and months, but now 30 days and now 90 minutes, we're getting the criminals off the street and in jail instead of victimizing more people. >> last thing here. how much does it cost? i assume it isn't cheap. >> they're doing the 90 minute thing right now is free.

it's no charge right now. we're analyzing it with the district attorney's office and we're using -- to pay for the 30 day turn around, we're using drug money. we're using drug forfeiture money that the federal government gives us. >> thanks for clearing that up, drug forfeiture money. >> oh, yeah, all legal. drug forfeiture money that the federal government gives us back for drug dealers that have been convicted. we liquidate it and using that money. >> and how much would this cost? you're doing this now as a test case, but how much does it cost a police department down the road? >> it really depends on how they would want to implement it. with bensalem, we set up the lab within a conference room. so that's a deployed laboratory situation. that gets expensive. as we process the samples individually, dedicated scientists, it can be in the couple hundred to $10,000 for an individual sample. and that goes down with volume. >> well, gentlemen, thank you both for being here. we'll follow you because this was fascinating. we were talking about it a lot in the newsroom.

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takes it to the back of the end zone. he'll run it out to the 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50. there goes davis! davis is going to run it all the way back. going to win the football! >> back-to-back weekends of miracles for the auburn tigers. this was the singer greatest football game i've ever seen in my life. a missed field goal falls short in the last second, leads to a 109-yard return for a touchdown. auburn tigers, number four in the country, beat the number one alabama crimson tide. that means the crimson tide long shot now to get back to the national championship. but stranger things have happened with the bcs. great game, if you missed that. let's turn to nfl football now. the nfl's team in washington. you may have heard a lot about the controversy happening there these days. the use of native american monikers and logos for sports themes has been around for over a 100 years now.

the indians, the braves, the chiefs. what is so different about the washington redskins? historian jay hilton writes the expectation, colorful indian mascots mock native american chants and gestures, caricatures, logos, headbands and headdresses are all post-1933 developments. no one was more instrumental in the native american iconography than george preston marshall of the washington redskins whom. was this guy, george preston michael and why is this name causing so much controversial? let me bring in jay gordon hilton of before the redskins were redskins. professor at marquette university's law school. thank you so much for being here, sir. who was this guy? why did he choose the name redskins for the washington team in the first place? >> well, first of all, he chose the name actually for a team that was based in boston. even though marshall himself was from washington, when he was given an nfl expansion team before the 1933 season, the deal

was he had to place the team in boston. the team was originally named the braves primarily because it was going to play in brave park or braves field where the boston braves baseball team played. so he took the name redskins the next year when he had a falling out with the owner of the braves park and moved to fenway park. so he couldn't really use the name braves anymore and he couldn't use the name indians because that had been reserved for the cleveland team in the nfl. so he chose the name redskins primarily because it was just another term for indian or for braves. >> so for him at the time it wasn't meant to be a negative. and also, is it fair to say he was trying to market something called indian football. a lot of people may not realize what that means. explain. >> well, yes. that's absolutely true. in the early 20th century, native americans developed a very powerful reputation in the united states for skill in football. this was primarily a function of the carlisle indians, the

football team at the carlisle indian school whose most famous player but one of many famous players was jim thorpe. there were other indian schools who played major college football like the haskell indian institute in kansas. and in 1922 and 1923 there was an all indian team in the national football league all day the urang indians. people at the time of marshall picked the name braves then redskins, associated native americans with some proficiency in football. marshall was also from a little town called romney, west virginia where there was a famous indian burial mound which had been turned into a confederate cemetery during the civil war. and his grandfather had fought in the battle of romney. so marshall had a kind of quasi romantic notion about the relationship between white southerners like himself and native americans. and he liked the idea of bringing back indians football. this all came together.

>> there is a lot of history. i'm not sure a lot of people today who are involved in this debate realize that history. so do you find even among native americans now, and you study this, are split on this issue of what to do with the name of the washington redskins. >> i've not done any formal surveys, but certainly it seems like there is a divide between this, between i think much of it comes down to the question of whether or not the term "redskins" is itself a kind of pejorative term. that has an interesting history. >> it is possible it became pejorative over time? >> absolutely. if you look in any major american dictionary before 1980 and look up the term redskin, it just identifies it as a north american indian. if you look up words like -- offensive words, they're always identified in dictionaries as offensive. >> i know you're speaking as a historian there, but a lot of people certainly got uncomfortable with a couple of those words you put out there. >> and they should be

uncomfortable. >> jay gordon hilton, sir, we appreciate you spending some time with us here. interesting history. we'll make sure our viewers learn more and more about it. thank you for watching this sunday afternoon. i'm tj homes. craig melvin back with you next weekend 2:00 eastern. "disrupt with karen finney." have a good weekend, folks. [ male announcer ] 1.21 gigawatts. today, that's easy. ge is revolutionizing power. supercharging turbines with advanced hardware and innovative software. using data predictively to help power entire cities. so the turbines of today... will power us all... into the future. ♪ [ male announcer ] at progresso, we believe the second chapter of your life should be just as bold as the first. try the new bold flavors of heart healthy soup

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