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that's it. politics nation with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, ed, and thanks to you. in just over three weeks, 1.3 million unemployed americans stand to lose their benefits unless congress acts. time is running out. families will take a brutal hit over the holidays. but today house speaker john boehner didn't seem too worried about it. >> under what circumstances, if any, will you accept an extension of unemployment benefits that run out at the end of the month? >> we've worked all year to get our economy going again and to help produce better jobs and more wages. >> he's worked all year? so he's taking a two-week vacation instead of fighting for
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unemployed americans? that's his answer? that's his answer to 128,000 people in his home state of ohio who will lose benefits, just three days after christmas? sorry, speaker boehner, but those reindeer won't fly. today senate majority leader harry reid vowed to keep fighting to extend jobless benefits. in the house, 166 democrats september a letter to speaker boehner demanding he take action before the holiday break. and the president used his latest weekly radio address to pressure republicans to do the right thing. this fight won't be easy. just look at what's happening with the new budget deal. the far right is against it. because it doesn't cut enough. the deal removes $63 billion of spending cuts and plays for
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programs like head start, meals on wheels, groups like heritage foundation and foundation works are saying it's non-start up of the one calls it selling out. >> i'm sure it's the best paul could get. but it's nothing anything i can support. he has led to make a compromise that sells out what actually needs to be done. >> it's selling out to fund programs that help children and seniors? this far right ideology is what we're up against. it's the great battle of our time. the fight against deepening income inequality, the fight for fairness, for opportunity. and today, exactly two weeks before christmas, that fight is about helping millions of unemployed americans.
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joining me now is a congressman, democrat from texas and the huffington post ryan grim. thank you both for being here. >> good to be with you. >> congressman, you've joined democrats in sending a letter to speaker boehner demanding he extend unemployment benefits, what will it take for republicans to do the right thing here? >> it will take a new congress. you know, it's christmastime, and republicans only believe in stuffing the silk stockings. they defended the tax breaks to send jobs overseas, but they wouldn't reach out to help a million plus families who lose extended unemployment benefits the week of christmas. >> now, you know, ryan, when you look at the fact that senator rand paul, republican senator rand paul said extending long
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term jobless benefits does a disservice to the unemployed, listen to this. >> i do support unemployment benefits for the 26 weeks that they're paid for. if you extend it beyond that, you do a disservice to these workers. when you allow people to be on unemployment insurance for 99 weeks you're allowing them to be part of this perpetual unemployed group in our economy. >> but in senator paul's own home state of kentucky, about 53,000 people will lose benefits if congress fails to act. >> right. what he's trying to do is couch a brutal poll any compassionate terms. is's the entire ideology of the hammock, that if you spoil people they won't go out and get work. but what's really happening is this is an effort to keep wages down, pure and simple. because if you have a lot of people unemployed, then people
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who do have jobs are less able to fight for raises. you know, and they're less able to push, you know, there's less able to make demands on their bosses. it's much harder to organize a union, because, you know, the boss can just fire people and bring them back, you know, a century ago, it was called the reserve army, these millions of people who were unemployed. so if people can choose between different jobs and they can hold out a little bit longer then they can demand higher wages while they're looking for a job. but if they're so desperate that they can't make their month's rent, then $8 an hour sounds to start okay. that's where you drive these wages down and get this inequality. >> but congressman doggett, with 53,000 people about to lose their coverage, will people like rand paul start to hear from their constituents? will there be political pressure coming from the constituency base while
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we're looking at this devastating thing for many families? >> well, one would certainly hope so, because the long-term unemployed often face discrimination because they're older, because they've been unemployed for a long period of time. they need to be speaking out to members of congress. the problem we have here, reverend, though, is that the republicans are going to shut down the congress and the house. they've had a lot of shutdown experience here. they're going to shut down operations here in the house the day after tomorrow, not responding to our concerns about comprehensive immigration reform, about raising the minimum wage, about job growth and certainly not about the unemployed. and we're wrapping up the year with a budget agreement that if only if you measure it by the standards of this do-nothing congress, can you say that it represents do-little progress. it's a very modest agreement that may give us a little more flexibility to meet our needs and education and social
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services, but overall does not represent the progress that we really need. >> talking about that budget deal, ryan and congressman doggett, today conservative senators blasted the new budget deal for not cutting enough, they said. listen as republican senator john barrasso. >> i have a lot of concerns, because it continues the washington wasteful spending. washington and this president in particular are addicted to spending. this spends more than i would like, rather than cut washington wasteful spending. >> i mean, how do you respond to that, ryan? this seeps vehement by some of these right wing senators? >> yeah. and from their perspective, they really should slam this, because this deal, cut by paul ryan is really a repudiation of the one thing that the tea party has been pointing to as the most successful policy that they've
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been able to implement. so if, if their agenda, given a chance, you know, to actually be played out, is being rejected even by people like paul ryan, that doesn't bode well for the future of what the tea party wants to see congress get done. >> but, you know, congressman doggett, we can all have different opinions. we can't have different facts. the fact ofmatter is a landmark study shows 50 years after the war on poverty, in 1967, the poverty rate was 26%. last year that was down to 16%. millions lifted out of poverty, thanks to programs like food stamps and unemployment benefits. we cannot argue the benefit of the safety net programs that were put in place. >> that's absolutely right, reverend. and the problem that we have here is that these republicans,
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they think they're entitled to their own facts, and when reality differs with their ideology, they always let their ideology control. when they shut down some of the government, they shut down some of the growth we have had in our economy by not extending unemployment benefits for the long-term unemployed they will cost american jobs as well as creating great hardship for so many families beginning christmas week. it's wrong. we need to repudiate it. we need to speak out against it. the other concern that i have about the budget agreement is that it does not reach the question of the full faith and credit of the united states that will come up on february 7. republican also us lurching from crisis to crisis all yearlong, from last new year's day right up through the budget shutdown. we still have some uncertainties out there for the future that will have to be addressed. >> well, we will be staying on
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this and covering and watching this every step of the way. texas congressman doggett and ryan grim, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you for demanding accountability. thank you. ahead, right-wingers gang up on times person of the year. what their attacks on the pope are really all about. plus new signs obama care is working. and the gop attacks are getting desperate and down right funny. also, 11 months after his death, new questions tonight in the mysterious death of georgia teenager kendrick johnson. why were his organs taken out and his body stuffed with newspaper? and developing news tonight in the assault case against george simmermzimmerman. stay with us. every idea sold...
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neosocialism which fails its own people. >> that's right. he came into office with lots of fan fair. he promised to shake things up. and ever since then, the right wing has blasted him. oh, you think i'm talking about president obama? nope! i'm talking about pope francis. the only person the right seems to hate as much as president obama these days. the right, they hate this guy. >> the embrace that has gone viral, melting hearts around the word. pope francis laying his hands on a disfigured man. >> francis is a simple man of the people from carrying his own bags to paying his own bills. and now he's taking up to picking up the phone and calling people out of the blue. >> an orphan decided his place was center stage with francis. those closest to him say there's nothing manufactured about the way francis acts. >> wow, no wonder they dislike
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him so much. he seems like a real bad egg. maybe this is what they have a problem with. the fact that he's attacked the idolatry of money, or that fact that he's blasted trickle-down economics. that is what makes the right so uncomfortable. he's putting poor people on the forefront of discussion. he's not just giving them lip service. he's demanding hard action. and that's the conversation the right doesn't want to have. joining me now is abbey huntsman. thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> how did the right get to a place where they're blasting the pope over poverty? >> first of all, i couldn't agree more with this pick. it's uplifting, positive. this is a man -- >> you're talking about him being time person of the year. >> this is a man who has changed the tone, the perception and
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even the focus, really, of one of the largest institutions in the world. this is a man that really doesn't like to on stes with the small things but focus on the big picture. and he does it with compassion. what he like about him is he has this unique ability to talk about controversial issue, abortion, fwa rights, in a way that makes people feel accepted and comfortable. that is something the republican party is still trying to figure out. you would think in a world we live in where fewer people are attending church this man, i would think that they would embrace him. i am surprised they would push back on this man. >> they use religion to justify their attacks on the poor. i mean, listen to this. >> self-reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat. >> the role of citizens, of
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christians, of humanity is to take care of each other, but not for washington to steal money from those in the country and to give it to others in the country. >> the one who is unwilling to work shall not eat. so we have to be careful how we pick and choose verses out of the bible. >> one of the primary tenets of catholic teaching is don't keep people poor. don't make people dependent on government of the. >> i themean, this is somethingu do not see throughout history, the use of religion to justify poverty or justify income inequality. it's really upheard of. >> that's the problem, that's why the party has moved so far to the right. in many ways it seems to be tied to religion. and republicans need to find a wray to speak compassionately about the issue, about the poor, about women, about minorities. they are not other species. we are all people, and we want to be treated like we're people.
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i mean, look at ronald reagan for example who pushed for the earned income tax. he said this was the best pro growth, best pro familiarly approach that passed through congress. and you look at where we are today, it's as if we've moved back. we're still looking at a 7% unemployment rate. people want to be talked to as if they're people. >> that seems to be the contradiction. on the one hand you have the right wing and the republicans who try to claim some close proximity to religion, but then you condemn the pope, because the pope makes moral appeals about things like poverty and outcasts. you can't have it both ways. >> you also can't win elections with a message like that. you know, i think they would be well served to learn from the pope who has been able to speak about the issues that makes them feel part of the conversation.
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i think the republican party should listen to the pope. i think it is in their worst interest to go against him. if you look at his popularity, he is well liked around the world. >> but they don't want to talk about poverty, abbey. thanks for your time this evening. and be sure to catch abbey on "the cycle" weekdays right here at 3:00. still ahead, the real legacy of nelson mandela. his critics on the right call him a communist. i'll set the record straight tonight. plus, we'll tell you why the gop is waving the white flag when it comes to repealing the health care law. also, we'll reveal the lucky republican who signed up for obama care tonight. stay with us. [ tires screech ]
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effort to undermine nelson mandela's life and legacy. today in pretoria, south africa, thousands filed past the late president's casket as he lies in state. it's the same place where he was sworn in as president 19 years ago. the word has praised mandela's life's work. but here in the u.s., some on the right have tried to tarnish his memory by calling him names or by distorting his life. the question is why do they feel compelled to do that? last night on his program, fox host bill o'reilly said i'd been unfair to him by playing part of what he said about nelson mandela in the hours after his death. i think we were fair. but here's his full comment. >> 95 years old. nelson mandela, i've spent some time in south africa. he was a communist, this man.
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he was a communist. all right. but he was a great man. what he did for his people was stunning. the sacrifices that he made. he could have repudiated and got out of that prison. he wouldn't do it. he was a great man, but he was a communist. so, but i would never attack nelson mandela. >> i don't think playing his great man comment changes the context or the fact that on the night of nelson mandela's death, bill o'reilly called him a communist. seems strange to me that o'reilly thinks a communist was a great man, but the issue isn't bill o'reilly. the issue is mandela, the effort to impugn him, to tarnish him. the facts show that nelson mandela was a transformational
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for force for democracy and freedom. he propelled south africa to the first free elections in history, where people of all races were allowed to vote. i was there as an election observer, and i saw people waiting in line for hours for the honor of exercising their new freedom to vote. >> all across south africa, polling stations were swamped. blacks voting for the first time waited for hours to make their mark. >> all my life and all my grandfathers and great-grandfathers. we are making this mark for them today. >> it's the greatest moment of my life. i wouldn't miss it for anything. sfli. very happy today. because i've been waiting too long for this day to come. >> people voting freely and fairly because of mandela. is any of that communism? of course not. and the world check forum in 1992, mandela had called for quote, a private sector which
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would play a central and critical role to ensure the croatian of wealth and jobs. we would like to create conditions for investors to invest. that doesn't sound very communist either. what about once he become the democratically elected president of south africa? the new york times reports, quote, mr. mandela's push toward free markets opened up his country to become the fastest growing in africa and eventually brought in billions of dollars of investment from large companies outside the country. is any of that evidence that he was a communist? of course not. it's absurd. mandela believed deeply in human freedom, political freedom. social freedom and check freedom. and it was that spirit of humanity that president obama talked about yesterday. >> it took a man like madiba to
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free not just the prisoner, but the jailer as well. to show that you must trust others so that they must trust you. to teach that reconciliation is not a hatter of ignoring a cruel past, but a means of confronting it with inclusion and generosity and truth. he changed laws. but he also changed hearts. >> mandela did change hearts. but for some on the right, they can't just praise him. they have to balance praise with unfair efforts to disparage him. mandela was bigger than this. he changed the world for the better. can his critics on the right honestly say the same? >> i have beautiful children and a beautiful wife. i want them to walk free in
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the health care law, the gop's had one dream -- to repeal it. it's what mitt romney ran on. it's what house republicans voted to do more than 40 times. but guess what? it's not happening. the new nbc poll finds just 26% of americans say the health care law should be totally eliminated. even with all of the rollout problems, only a quarter of the country wants to repeal this law. republicans are crumbling. just look at wisconsin's senator ron johnson. his 2010 campaign was all about repeal. but now, quote, we've got to start thinking about transitioning. how do you repeal, yeah, you can get rid of the law, but what do you do with what's already there? it's over. and the attacks against the law
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are just getting shrill. here's illinois's congressman john shimcuss. >> you cannot say as you have numerous times that these preventative care services are quote-unquote free of charge, can you? >> they are free to the consumer, yes. >> there is no free lunch, madam secretary. >> we're just going to agree to disagree. it's like talking to the republican of korea or something. >> you don't like what you hear. so you say a cabinet secretary is acting like north korea? we're seeing the same desperation from senator shutdown. ted cruz's new report on the health care law claims define lawless acts and abusive view of federal power and says the administration undermines the rule of law. they can't handle it. but more and more people are
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signing up for this law. and that includes republican lawmakers. that's right. marco rubio, rand paul, and mitch mcconnell were lucky enough to sign up. and guess who else plans to? according to the washington post, congressman shimkus. congressman, you're covered? and north korea didn't have anything to do with it. joining me now are congressman frank palone, democrat of new jersey and cynthia tucker. >> you were in that hearing when the congressman said to, while talking to secretary sebelius it was like talking to north korea. i mean, are they running out of arguments against this law? >> they clearly are. i mean, they just keep using words like you will world is going to collapse and all this
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absurd rhetoric. obviously this that case, you pay a premium. you buy health insurance. the question is what do you get for it. obviously we all pay for the health insurance. but the point is that preventive care is not charged for. and we're encouraging peel to go to a doctor and not have any additional cost for a wellness visit. there's no charge. that's the point. she was saying it and he doesn't like to hear it because he's living in mars or some other planet and doesn't understand that this is a good bill that's providing good benefits for an affordable price. >> now cynthia, the new numbers out today about how many people have enrolled in the health care plan. nearly 364,000 signed up through federal or state exchanges in october and november, and more than 803,000 were found eligible for medicaid or chip. that's more than 1.1 million people.
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and the demand 's even higher. 1.9 million have applied on the site but haven't picked plans. and all together more than 39 million people have visited federal and state sites. what do you make of these numbers, cynthia? >> what it tell us us, reverend al is that the affordable care act addressed a serious problem in america. and that is that there are so many people who desperately needed health insurance but couldn't afford to pay for it. in all of the obstruction and all of the rhetoric that republicans have thrown up against the law, they have refused to acknowledge that basic reality. that there were many americans sick but couldn't pay to go to the doctor. that one of the biggest causes of bankruptcy in america is soaring health care costs. people get in a crisis and were forced to pay exor tants expenses for medical care.
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the affordable carr act addresses that. and once that option was available, people are now flocking to it. you know, reverend al, obama care is going to work. and that's what republicans were afraid of all along. >> you know, congressman, there are real people who are getting help because of this law. i mean, look at this. here's just a few of them. >> 51 year old keith stiles says he got his plan on the new york exchange and is delighted. a subsidized policy, more coverage, less cost. >> $86 a month, and the coverage is incredible. >> she is looking forward to being covered. >> i'll be able to get my eyes done, blood pressure, physicals. it's going to change my life. >> we strug toll pay insurance. >> he signed up for the affordable care act, then found out he could receive a tax credit of more than $800 a month for his family's premium. >> what can republicans say to
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these people, congressman? real people? >> they just keep saying the same old thing. i had one republican at one of the hearings come up and say my stut was paying $60 and wanted to keep their skeletal policy. i said well what does the policy include. he said it doesn't include hospitalization. i said who's going to want an insurance policy that doesn't include hospitalization. the point is you're getting good benefits at a good price. this is not a catastrophic policy. this is good benefits, just like you get with a basic blood cross, blue shield plan. it's not like people aren't going to have hospitalization, aren't going to be able to go to a doctor. they get good coverage. and that's why it's working. >> in october, you've been the champion all along, i want to play something you said back at a hearing in october of the. >> once again, here we have my republican colleagues trying to scare everybody. >> will the gentleman yield? >> no, i will not yield to this
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monkey court or whatever this -- >> this is not a monkey court. you are trying to scare people so they don't apply and so therefore the legislation gets delayed or the affordable care act gets defunded or repealed. that's all it is, hoping people won't apply. >> that was in october. has the tone changed any, congressman since then? >> oh, definitely. for the most part the website works now so more people are able to sign up. and i think that's the key. now that the website works people realize when they go on it that they can get an affordable policy that covers, you know, almost everything that they need. and that's the difference. i mean, once they start realizing that all this republican rhetoric is going to meanless. but they keep at it. the hearing today they tried to, shimkus was trying to shut up the secretary when she was trying to answer the questions. so the monkey court continues. >> cynthia, you're in georgia.
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it's a very hot topic there. what is going on? what is being said and done there? >> well, you know, georgia is one of the states where a republican governor and republican legislature have refused to expand medicaid. despite the fact that the federal government will pay the vast majority of the cost and so many working poor people in here in georgia desperately need the coverage. but one of the things that's happening now in georgia is that hospital administrators are cranking up the pressure on the governor. and these are hospital administrators who are not liberals, they're good conservatives, but their hospitals need that money. they need that medicaid expansion. and they are beginning to speak out to say it is foolish, governor deal for you to just for political reasons, to deny
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georgians the medicaid expansion. >> as these things begin to work, the pressure's going to mount. i'll leave it there. we'll be all over this clearly as we move forward. congressman frank pallone. still ahead, news on the george zimmerman case. and 11 months ago, this teenager died under mysterious circumstances. tonight, new questions about the funeral home. why were his organs removed from his body? that's next. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from a dry mouth then you'll know how uncomfortable it can be. [ crickets chirping ] but did you know that the lack of saliva can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath? [ exhales deeply ] [ male announcer ] well there is biotene. specially formulated with moisturizers and lubricants, biotene can provide soothing relief
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now to that teen murder mystery in georgia. 11 months ago today, 17 year old clinton johnson was found dead inside a rolled up wrestling mat at his high school gym, surveillance video captures kendrick wap walking into the gym and never coming out. his death was ruled an accident, but his family always believed he was murdered. in june, kendrick's body was exhumed for a second autopsy. it showed all of kendrick's inner organs, including his brain were missing. his body was stuffed with newspaper. now his family is filing a
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complaint, demanding an investigation into the funeral home and alleging a cover up. quote, it is our belief that mr. harrington, the funeral home director at best misled us as to the condition of our son's body or at worse is responsible for the removal and destruction of his organs. and thus, des craig of our son's body. today there was a rally at georgia's state capital. >> as you all know, his organs was missing. so i want the justice system to tell me, how is it that all of that going on with this body, someone's not charged with something? who killed kj? who killed kj! who killed kj! >> joining me now, goldie dtaylr
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who was at the rally and a forensic scientist. thank you both for being here. goldie, you were there today. a lot of questions about this funeral director. what did the parents say today? >> i think the parents are simply looking for the truth surrounding the death of their son. i don't know that they believe that the missing organs have or do not have anything to do with how kendrick died, but it certainly presents yet another barrier in finding the truth in this matter. and so, to go back and to do a second autopsy, to do a coroner's inquest, certainly, having all of his organ, the entire body there in tact would be something that is preferable if you're going to be an examiner, but at the end of the day, no one knows whether or not this particular funeral director was working in concert with the
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gbi or whether there were some extraneous issues. what we do know is this body was miss handled in a number of ways and the missing organs is just one of them. >> the first issue is he was found in a rolled up gym mat, and they say that was an accidental death. i remember early in the case i went down and spoke at a rally there saying this made no sense. and now you have the second issue of now that the body's been exhumed we find that all of his organ, including his brain, has been removed from the body and stuffed with newspaper. i mean, in your experience as an expert in these areas, does that make sense? >> it really doesn't. obviously, in an autopsy, you're going to examine all the organs. and after all that is finished, the organs are usually placed into a plastic bag.
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the bag is put back in the body, the body's sewed up and the body's brought to the funeral parlor. somebody got rid of the organs. and we don't know who it is. but more importantly, what they found in that second autopsy was the actual cause of death. it's interesting. the ems came. they found a bruise on the right jaw. the first autopsy revealed nothing. they did say there was some abrasions on the fourth digit of the left hand, blunt trauma, but they never said anything about the bruising on the right side of the jaw of the the second autopsy actually found not only bruising on the right jaw, but the carotid body was split and hemorrhaged from trauma, the probable cause of death. it makes no sense for somebody to climb up in a mat. >> the funeral director says the organs were destroyed by the
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prosecutor in the natural cause of their investigation. >> the prosecutor meaning the person who did the autopsy. gbi. but something must have happened to the organs. everybody's going to blame everybody else, but it's really not clear. and forensic scientists are going to answer that question. >> this is why many in the civil rights community, goldie, have been rallying for months. i know martin luther king iii saying wait a minute. first you don't deal with the fact, with the cause of death. and now you have told the family, first of all, january of 2013, the funeral director never told the parents the organs were missing. then in june after the second autopsy when he was confronted by the father, the funeral director says one or two organs might be missing. then in october in a letter to the johnson family lawyer he says organs have been destroyed and discarded before the body
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was sent back to valdosta. that's why everybody's outraged. >> everybody's outraged because many questions have been asked. why were his nails cut back to the kwquick. many questions about the condition of the body the scene of death have been asked but none have been answered. they asked that the surveillance tape from the gym be released. 1900 hours of tape from four different angles pointed at that gym. but there was not a segment of tape that showed kendrick johnson climbing into that mat on his own volition. in fact, it showed nothing surrounding his entry into that mat. so that simply leads many more questions and whether or not this death was by accident or whether it was by, you know, some foul play. these parents deserve to know the truth. and i just feel like the people in the county are in some way
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impeding that. >> that's all everyone is saying. lawrence, what would you like to know? given your expertise, what are the questions that are screaming out at you to be answered? >> what's screaming out is why did they miss that very important finding of the blunt trauma to the right side of the mand ibl and the carotid body? if you don't have any trauma to the body, then maybe you could say positional asphyxia. but once you know there's been blunt trauma, that's the most likely cause of death. who killed this young fellow. that's the question. >> and i think that is all the parents and certainly all of the conversations i've had and the leaders are down there, all they are asking, goldie, is we want the truth. and we want to know exactly what happened. >> that's exactly right. ly interviews with the parents here in atlanta and the family
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attorneys, one of which has been practicing law for decades. >> now part of the legal team, yes. >> absolutely. and they've brought a force to bear. so we have gathered political forces from every corner of the state. you have state representatives and senators on capitol hill today. you had members of the media, jeff johnson and i were there, let the facts fall where they may. >> absolutely. and we're going to keep on this case. and we're going to keep asking those questions. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks for following this, reverend. ahead, breaking news about george zimmerman. also. inside air force one. what former president george w. bush revealed on his trip with president obama. stay with us.
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after his girlfriend left a frantic 911 call claiming zimmerman had pointed a gun at her, which zimmerman denied. but yesterday we reported she changed her story. in her sworn affidavit saying zimmerman, quote, never pointed a gun at or toward my face in a threatening manner, also saying, quote, i want to be with george, and quote, i do not want george zimmerman charged. and tonight, after reviewing the affidavit, the state attorney said conflicting statements and lack of evidence or witnesses were the reasons for dropping the case. zimmerman's attorney just spoke to nbc legal analyst lisa bloom. she asked why george barricade himself inside the house. >> well, he did it before they arrived. he did it because he wanted to separate himself from samantha, as he said on the 911 tape. and he locked himself in the house so that he would be
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separated and there would be no misunderstanding as to where everybody was. >> no charges, the big news. we'll be right back. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why, at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what else comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy?
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finally tonight, a rare look inside air force one. the photographer caught some remarkable moments with president obama and george w. bush on the flight to south africa. this shows the current and past present all smiles shortly after boarding. in this one, president obama and president bush waiting for dinner. you can also see the first ladies sitting across from each other. here's president obama showing off photos of his paintings to the first lady. and if you're a president of the united states, you're in a rare fraternity. these two disagree on just about every policy.
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president obama ran his 2008 campaign on the undoing of the bush legacy. but this shows you can disagree without being disagreeable, a lesson for many in public life. today, a lesson nelson mandela personified. "hardball" starts right now. mutiny of the wacko birds. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews out in columbus, ohio. let's start tonight with this. it looks like some of the wacko birds didn't get the message. remember how the right wing and in fact the republican party took that nasty hit during can the october government shutdown? how it's been the
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