with us tonight. mark schauer running in the state of michigan. the house is about ready to vote on the bipartisan bill. they have started to vote, it looks like, on the deal. which is going to leave some unemployed people behind. and their benefits to run out. that's "the ed show." "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, breaking news from washington. any moment now the house will begin voting on a new budget deal that rolls back some of the worst abuses of the republican sequester cuts. it's expected to pass despite opposition from tea party extremists. it's the first bipartisan budget deal in 15 years. it restores funding to programs like head start and meals on wheels. and it helps avoid another gop

government shutdown. tonight's vote sets up a big new battle in the fight for fairness. extending jobless benefits for 1.3 million americans. that is set to expire just three days after christmas. it won't be easy. republicans are making it clear that protecting families from a brutal holiday hit isn't a gop priority. >> well, they wanted to put this in this agreement without any offsets which would have blown a $25 billion hole in our savings. it was a last-minute request with no offsets. we didn't see that as particularly very serious. >> it's not serious to help over a million struggling americans? he can't be serious. all day democrats have vowed to keep fighting for these benefits even though they're not included in this budget.

>> it is an absolute disgrace that this body would even consider leaving town without finishing our work. and ensuring that we address the needs of the long-term unemployed. >> we are talking about people's lives. we are talking about people living on the edge. >> people who have been laid off through no fault of their own. the answer from house republicans is this. an empty box. >> let us vote to provide for unemployment insurance for working men and women and the people. we cannot allow this to happen in this season of joy and giving. >> she's right. people are suffering. and we can't let it happen. in the coming days and weeks, expect a major push on jobless benefits. it's part of a progressive agenda that also includes stopping republicans from

slashing $40 billion from food stamps and passing an increase in the federal minimum wage. tonight's budget rolls back some of the worst republican cuts, but it's just the first step. joining me now are krystal ball and angela rye. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having us, rev. >> thank you. >> krystal, what will it take to force republicans to help 1.3 million americans losing unemployment benefits right after christmas? >> sadly, i don't think that we're going to see them give in on something that seems so obvious and is so badly in need. one thing that ezra is writing about this week is we've seen it go back to prerecessionary levels. but the long-term unemployed are still in a crisis. those levels of people who haven't been able to find a job and because they've been out of work for a long period of time, they have a harder time finding

a job. those numbers are still really high. it's a crisis that the republicans have no answer for. they don't want to help these people. they don't have an answer for how to get them back to work. they just have no plan to deal with it at all. they think by cutting them off, in their words, that they'll have further incentive to find a job. these are people who are already looking for a job and the job is not there for them. >> angela, you worked around congress on the hill for awhile. explain to me tea party congressman mick mulvaney attacked this new budget because it doesn't cut enough. here's what he said. this bill is not designed to get our vote. this bill is designed to pass with bipartisan support in the house. so it's bad to get bipartisan support? i mean, it's an amazing attitude. don't you think, angela? >> well, you know rev, the tea party reared its ugly head in

2010 because we have a black partisan. they're allergic to all kinds of "b" words like barack obama. and he's black. there's all these "b" words. so they are not in support of anything that would pass the house and give the president what they would deem as a win. we've seen them obstruct. we've seen them protest. we've seen them shut down the government. and we know that even though this is a very painful bill for even democrats, they are doing this because it's better than the alternative which is putting other families out. >> and they have started voting on this budget as we speak. it's expected to pass, but they have began voting. go ahead, angela. i'm sorry. >> you're okay. the vote will probably vote right around 6:20. what you will see on this bill is bipartisan support. you did see the democrats oppose the rule earlier today. the reason for that was it was a way for them to protest and say we're going to participate in this process, but we have not forgotten that you once again

grinches who stole christmas, that you're leaving 1.3 million people out in the cold for christmas by not extending the unemployment benefit. >> right on that point, krystal, congressman bob woodall today said they were show boating. listen. >> anything short of a bipartisan solution is show boating for those folks who are hurting. not doing a thing to help them. we don't need show boating in this institution. we need results. >> show boating 1.3 million people that would be out of their unemployment benefits. that is all they have. many of them really out there trying to find work have been trying for a long period of time. and you call it show boating? >> the republican caucus would know about show boating. certainly ted cruz with their fake filibusters and their

willingness to lie to their base about what they're up to. for people who are badly needing it, working hard to get their feet on the ground and there's nothing there for them. to call it show boating, it's an insult to democrats but more to the point, it's an insult to those 1.3 million americans who are counting on this congress to do something. >> but the other part of that is extending unemployment benefits also helps the economy. >> that's right. >> it would add about 310,000 new jobbings over the next year by boosting consumer demand for goods and services. people spend money when they have money. >> that's exactly right, rev. and the other thing is i know ezra klein, he compared the unemployment benefit to tax

cuts. those things help the economy. i'm puzzled. there are unemployed republicans. there are unemployed independents and democrats. this is a bipartisan issue. this should not be about a win or a loss for the president. this should be about collectively working to address the woes of the american economy. >> and they've become so cynical that everything in their minds is about a win or a loss for the president. so they can't grant him even this one thing. and unfortunately we're in a situation with the deal that was just struck where because republicans are seen as the less reasonable party, that actually gives them more leverage going into negotiations. >> they are definitely unreasonable when it comes to anything with the president. and i think that it is bizarre. but what is even more bizarre is that they're hurting people. i mean, you take tea party congressman raul labrador.

he's the later republican to oppose raising the federal minimum wage. here's what he says. that's how you make it up the chain. it's not by demanding that minimum wage is raised. it's by actually acquiring the skills. that's the way that people get ahead in life. what is he talking about? is he saying that people that are working at minimum wage are less, have no skills? i mean, the presumption there is alarming. >> i want to know what country he's living in and what people he's talking to. because the folks i'm talking to who are earning minimum wage, who are in low wage jobs, they are doing everything they possibly can, working hard every day to better themselves and do what they can to get ahead in this economy. but those are the jobs that are available. and if we don't respect the dignity of work and respect the fact that work should pay and you should be able to support yourself and your family when

you're working a full-time job, i mean, that's the country that i know. >> krystal ball, angela rye, i'm going to have to leave it there. thank you both very much. and catch krystal on "the cycle" week days at 3:00 p.m. right here on msnbc. don't forget, the vote is going on now around this bipartisan budget. we're going to take a break. we'll be right back. you can fx and pay one flat rate. i didn't know the coal thing was real. it's very real... david rivera. rivera, david. [ male announcer ] fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex. add brand new belongings from nationwide insurance and we'll replace stolen or destroyed items with brand-new versions. we put members first. join the nation. ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ ...are the hands that do good things for the whole community: the environment, seniors, kids, and animals.

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breaking news from washington. house lawmakers are now voting on what would be the first bipartisan budget deal in 15 years. it's expected to pass. a big setback for the tea party and a big step forward for president obama's agenda. we'll be covering that. also ahead, president obama said the tea party fever would break. today speaker boehner erupted. new numbers show the tea party

is losing steam. plus obama care is working and democrats are about to run on it. we'll show you why ted cruz and the repealers are in jeopardy. and we open the justice files. should a police dog be thrown through a car window? should a rich teenager who killed four drunk driving see no jail time claiming affluenza? and should a police officer who shot at a van full of kids get his job back? tonight you'll be the judge. stay with us.

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we're back with breaking news from washington. voting underway on a new bipartisan budget deal. tea party republicans appear to be losing their fight to stop a bipartisan budget deal in washington. it's another sign they're losing influence on capitol hill and across america. don't believe me? just ask john boehner. here's what he said today about right wing groups aligned with the tea party. >> it just comes to a point when some people step over the line. when you criticize something and you have no idea what you're criticizing, it undermines your credibility. frankly i think they've lost all credibility. >> are you asking these groups to effectively stand down? >> i don't care what they do.

>> where was that guy two months ago? where was that guy two years ago? is boehner just scared of another government shutdown? is he scared the tea party will drive the gop off a cliff again? is he doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons? we'll see. but this is bigger than john boehner. it's bigger than the tea party. it's about finally ending the right wing's reign of error in washington. and moving forward with president obama's agenda. the agenda that the american people support. joining me now is joe madison. thanks for being here. >> thank you, reverend. >> why did john boehner have the guts to stand up to the tea party before, joe? >> i don't know. i think he probably saw the amount of money that they were

raising. he had several votes that he just simply could not control. and in this situation, the leadership carried this bipartisan vote that we're now seeing. and so this is a direct attack on the leadership. and as somebody said, wait a minute. you know, ryan, you can't criticize his conservative credentia credentials. so i think part of the problem is whiy the tea party is runnin out of steam is they lack leadership and they're being exposed now. >> but that vote that we're watching right now on the screen, this vote over the bipartisan budget deal that we are watching as i speak is a major defeat for the tea party. it is a defeat.

no way to question it. no doubt about it it's a defeat for the tea party. they're also sinking in the polls, joe. unfavorable view 51%. it's the first time a majority of americans have disapproved. the favorable view is only 30%. that's the worst ever for the tea party. isn't it time for the republicans to stop being scared of the tea party? >> yes. and we've said this how long and we've said this on your show and my show. we've said this the last two, three years. where are the adults? and finally the adults have said i've had it. i think one of the reasons, reverend sharpton, they've had it is the tea party has run out of steam with criticizing obama. they've run out of steam with the whole racial politics that they've played. and now what's happening is the unemployment benefits are impacting people who look like them. the food stamp -- the farm bill

is impacting just not urban inner city kids and seniors, but people in rural america are impacted by this. and it's caught up with them. and this is why i think that we're going to see -- and if boehner wins this, i hope, i hope he holds onto that power and moves forward. >> you know, in october president obama, he talked about the need for boehner to stand up to the tea party and to help break this fever. in october. let me show you. >> john boehner right now has not been willing to say no to a faction of the republican party that are willing to burn the house down because of an obsession over my health care initiative. one thing that i know the american people are tired of and i have to assume the vast majority of businesses are tired of is this constant governing

from crisis to crisis. in that sense do we need to break that fever? absolutely. >> joe, wish he had listened in october. >> bottom line, he doesn't really care what president obama thinks. me didn't care then. he doesn't care now. but he does care with business. he does care with all the things that the president said. you don't want to deal with me, then you deal with that list of people. and that's what's happened. you know, the democrats really have to fight for this unemployment extension now. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. joe madison, thanks for your time tonight. >> any time, reverend. coming up, the republican national committee has a new idea and it might have the late night comedians really upset. we'll explain. plus, they wanted this fight. now they're about to get it. new signs democrats are going on offense. plus amazing video.

we'll tell you what happened to the officer throwing a dog through a window. and the suspect who killed four drunk driving got off claiming he was too rich. stay with us. ♪

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texas senator ted cruz is pretty excited about something other than a government shutdown. i'm talking about this. >> in september of 2013, this texas senator held the floor for 21 hours in an effort to derail obama care. meredith? >> who is cruz. >> ted cruz is right. >> senator cruz posted a link to the video and tweeted, pretty cool. not something you see every day. i know i don't agree much with ted cruz, but it is pretty cool

to be a question on "jeopardy." means you're a household name and we know that's what he's going for. we'll play a little game ourself. this is obama care jeopardy. young not so invincibles. hire power. canadian faking. and doctor do littles. let's start with young not so invincibles for 200. the answer today, this u.s. senator claimed young people are particularly harmed by the health care law even though they're not. >> who is cruz? >> ted cruz is right. >> ted cruz yet again. let's do hire power for 400. today this man called the health

care law a job killer even though it isn't. >> meredith? >> who is cruz? >> ted cruz is right. >> wow. she's pretty quick on the buzzer. i think we've got time for one more. canadian faking for 100. today this canadian native pushed for a full repeal of health care law even though most americans don't want that. this is a tough one. i don't know if they'll get it. who would still want to repeal the health care law with all the good it's doing? >> meredith? >> who is cruz? >> ted cruz is right. >> once again, ted cruz is right. jokes aside, the health care law is working. more than a million people are set to get coverage. millions more are seeing the law benefits. and the republicans who keep trashing the law are really the ones in jeopardy.

joining me now are margie omero and james peterson. margie, let me go to you first. a democratic pollster says it's time for democrats to go on the offensive telling "the washington post" democrats can and should engage on health care. are republicans worried about overreaching? >> well, they should be. they clearly haven't been, because they've been continuing to overreach now for years. and what they've gotten for that overreaching is historical low approval ratings for congress. the results of that overreaching is that democrats have -- the democratic party is seen more favorably than the republican party. what they've gotten for that overreaching is the tea party has historically low favorability ratings. the results of what republicans have done in overreaching is --

you see historic low trust in our government institutions. >> james, a new poll in 86 congressional districts find more people want to implement and fix the health care law than repeal or replace it. 49% want to implement and fix it while 44% want to repeal and replace. these are tough districts, but people want to keep the law. will democrats run on health care next year? >> well, also, rev, we should also add that this polling is done after the mixup with healthcare.gov, after the 40-plus times that the republicans in the house tried to vote against or to repeal or somehow obstruct the law, after all the bad press, all the crazy advertisers, the commercials with the big headed uncle sam. after all that, the poll suggested that people understand the affordable care act is an important civil right and it's an important component of the

american social contract. so, yes, there should be some demes that run on it. but to be honest with you, i'd like for democrats to put the polling data aside. i know everything is all political. >> wait a second. >> but it's the right law for the right time. and they should stand on the conviction of having affordable access to health care as a civil right for american citizens. and so, yes, the polling data favors them doing that. but they should do it just from the conviction of their own leadership. >> just because it's right. >> it's the right thing to do. >> margie, florida's republican governor rick scott first was against expanding medicaid in his state. then he supported it. but the state legislature wouldn't pass it. check out what he's saying now. >> governor, next month federal funding for medicaid becomes available. do you still believe the states should take advantage of that funding, expand medicaid kovrnl? >> the concern people have today

with the president's health care law is 300,000 families or individuals have been told they're going to lose insurance at the end of the month. that's the biggest issue we're dealing with right now. and we look at the plans proposed that have high deductibles. i'm concerned about cost. that's our biggest problem right now. >> i mean, he completely dodged the question, marge. this is a guy up for re-election next year and he will not take a firm position on something as important as this and important to the people in his state. this is unbelievable. >> you have a lot of republicans looking at health care as a political ploy. as something they think they can make political hay out of. they're talking about their lives. they're talking about their actual health and their financial security. and what -- and while voters may be divided on how they feel about obama care, because they haven't really experienced obama care yet, what they know they don't like is what's going on in

congress and what they're hearing from a lot of politicians on the right. that is very clear. they definitely don't like the reflexive "no" they hear. the fighting every single thing the president's doing. the putting politics ahead of people's lives. that they know they don't want. you see that in poll after poll. >> now, james, rick scott's taken heat over the re-election fight. i mean, you're talking about affecting about 5 million people. these are governors who either refuse to expand medicaid or drag their feet on it. how unpopular is this going to be for them next fall? >> well, i would argue that their political opponents will make a lot of hay out of this. for rick scott in florida the demographics are against them on the expansion. i think for governor corbett's same deal, at the end of the day

there's no good rationale for not taking federal funds that even after the initial sort of rollout, the states are ultimate responsible for 10%. but the federal government stepping in here or people who need it most. and that demographic in this state, some have a larger elderly group. i think their opponents are going to make political hay. it's the same thing at the end of the day. why would you deny constituents of your state access to federal support for medicaid. it doesn't make sense. it ultimately for your state makes your state healthier and brings health care costs down. all the sort of anti-obama stuff i think in these individual election wills not pan out and will not bode well for some of these governors. >> marge, they don't even want to hear a debate. in washington today the republican house has held tons of hearings on the health care law.

today the republican chair darrell issa cut off the mic on a democrat. and started asking his own questions. let's listen to what happened. >> you were cut off several times. was there anything -- because of limited time. but is there anything you did not get a chance to answer? >> mr. chairman, is it your turn to question him? am i missing something here? the reason the witness was asked to move to another subject was she was not being responsive to my question. if you want to ask a question in a new -- >> the gentleman is not in order. >> neither is the chair. i think we've got an issue with -- [ silence ] >> and now you're going to shut the microphone off? >> yeah. >> i mean, this is a circus. you actually cut off the mic in the middle of this congressman asking question. i mean, cutting off the mic? what do you make of this, margie? >> it's so clearly not what

people send their members of congress to washington to do. when i talk to voters around the country in focus groups, they don't say you know what i wish? i wish there were more people in washington cutting the mic off each other and limiting debate. i've never heard anybody say that. what i hear is why can't they sit down and work it out. if they knew what it was like to be me. if they had the same sense of urgency that i feel, then they would act differently. >> margie omero and james peterson, thank you both for being here tonight and playing gop jeopardy with me. thanks for your time. >> thanks, rev. coming up, a deeply emotional debate on abortion rights in michigan. we'll show you the personal speech from a democratic state senator that everyone is talking about. plus this police officer who shot at a van carrying five kids wants his job back. you be the judge tonight.

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go national. go like a pro. fighting the gop war on women is not just political. it's personal. the michigan legislature just approved a controversial new bill to restrict abortion access in the state. but not before michigan senate

minority lead ee eer gretchen wr had a plea to consider the rights of women in a floor speech wednesday. >> as a legislator, a lawyer, a woman, and the mother of two girls, i think the fact that rape insurance is even being discussed by this body is repulsive. let alone the way it has been orchestrated and now shoved through the legislature. this is by far one of the most misogynistic proposals i've ever seen in the michigan legislature. >> then she was near tears sharing a deeply personal story in her testimony against the legislation. >> i'm about to tell you something that i've not shared with many people in my life. but over 20 years ago i was a victim of rape. and thank god it didn't result in a pregnancy. because i can't imagine going through what i went through and

then having to consider what to do about an unwanted pregnancy from an attacker. and as a mother of two girls, the thought that they would ever go through something like i did keeps me up at night. i thought this was all behind me. you know how tough i can be. the thought and the memory of that still haunts me. if this were law then and i had become pregnant, i would not be able to have coverage because of this. how extreme, how extreme does this measure need to be? i'm not the only woman in our state that has faced that horrible circumstance. i am not enjoying talking about it. it's something i've hidden for a long time. but i think you need to see the face of the women that you are

impacting by this vote today. i think you need to think of the girls that we're raising and what kind of a state we want to be where you would put your approval on something this extreme. >> gretchen whitmer's words are so powerful, and that's what the fight for women's rights is about. it's real and it's personal. and it's why we must keep fighting these restrictive laws.

welcome back. in tonight's justice files, a police officer is cleared of wrong doing after video showed him shoving a police dog into a suspect's car. a teenager kills four in a drunken car crash, but escapes jail by using a rich kid defense. and a new mexico officer fired for shooting at a van full of children wants his job back. we have both sides covered tonight. faith jenkins is a former prosecutor and darren kavinoky is a criminal defense attorney and host of "deadly sins" on investigation discovery. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> thank you. >> you bet, al. >> the justice files start tonight in north carolina. wilmington police say the

suspect johnny williams led officers on a wild car chase after blowing through a dwi check point. they eventually stopped him by crashing into his car. at that point the suspect appeared to surrender, even holding up his hands. but then a k-9 officer lifts his dog through the window. the video shows the dog biting williams. he was hospitalized for injuries and needed stitches. the officer has been cleared of any criminal charges. but he's on administrative leave while police conduct an internal investigation. faith, let's start with you. should the officer have been cleared? >> the criminal indictment, he wasn't indicted in this case. the case was presented to the grand jury and the grand jury voted and found he should not be held criminally responsible. they did that because they said in the heat of the moment and in the stress of that moment, the

officer reacted. i don't think that they ratified his behavior, but they said should he be held criminally possible? no. not only is he being investigated by his police department, but clearly you're looking at civil liability from here. >> is ate crime to sick a k-9 dog, a policeman on a victim who has his hands up? >> the first thing police officers do when they're trying to apprehend a suspect, i've heard them repeatedly say let me see your hands. and that sign is a universal sign of someone giving themselves up to the police and surrendering. at that point when a police officer sees that, that should indicate to the police officer that force is not necessary. >> darren, no charges. what do you say? >> well, i say it was a really, really smart political move of that district attorney to take this case to a grand jury. because it gives that d.a. plausible deniability for

anybody who's upset about the idea they're not pursuing criminal charges against this officer, the d.a. can say that's what your grand jurors did. at the end of the day, though, what we have in my view is an officer who's in the heat of the moment, whose passions are inflamed, and we actually expect more from our police officers. we expect them to act in a manner that's circumspect and well reasoned. i don't know that i'm going along with the grand jury's view on this case, but like faith says, this is far from over. and we can expect a civil lawsuit will be filed. and i will not be surprised if the county or city is going to have to write a big fat check. >> next, let's move on to the next case. a texas teen who killed four people while driving drunk has escaped jail time citing his wealth as a defense.

a juvenile court judge sentenced the 16-year-old to ten years of probation, but no jail time for the fatal crash over the summer. he was speeding and had a blood alcohol level three times the legal limit when he struck four pedestrians. couch's attorneys blame his rich parents for the behavior. one defense witness claimed the young man suffered from affluenza. a syndrome that keeps someone from a wealthy background from learning that bad behavior has consequences. after the sentencing, eric boyles who lost his wife and daughter in the crash had this reaction. >> i had asked the court while ethan has had a privileged life and money has always been there and money always seems to keep

ethan out of trouble, this was one time i did ask the court that -- for justice and that for money not to prevail. and ultimately today i felt like money did prevail. >> darren, affluenza was his defense. affluent, doesn't know bad behavior has bad consequences. what do you make of that defense? >> here's the thing. the critical distinction in this case and i understand how people will be outraged at the idea that this young man is not spending a big chunk of time in prison, but let's remember. this is a juvenile case. this is a ruling that was made in juvenile court. and in juvenile court unlike the adult court system, the focus is on one thing. and that's rehabilitation. so this kid is going to be under the thumb of the court system for the next ten years. if he screws up at all, off he goes to prison. and let's also not forget that

part of this is his going to a residential lockdown, live-in facility for at-risk youth so that ideally he's not going to be a repeat customer of the court system. >> i think this is absolutely ridiculous. one of my law professors once said talking about the criminal justice system, i'd rather be rich and guilty than poor and innocent. and this case is an example of that. people talk about the two different justice systems. when you're rich, the lawyers you can afford, the experts you can afford to put on the witness stand and say i have affluenza. because poor people, they don't have the kind of money to support that kind of defense. and they talk about the two different justice systems. and now when you're rich you have your own defense now. you have your own justification for committing a crime. because you're so affluent you didn't know the difference between right and wrong. but the poor kids who make poor choices and make wrong decisions, is there a defense for them? >> there should be. there absolutely should be. maybe you and i can argue about this offline. because i don't know that being

rich does anything other than level the playing field. and that's not saying that -- >> i totally disagree. >> we can agree to disagree, faith. >> if somebody comes to court blaming poverty, would they be considered because they're a minor? how do we cut it both ways here? >> what this case is about and this whole notion of aflun affluenza is about the parents who set this kid up to where this incident happened. we can all agree it's a tragic, horrible incident. but at the end of the day where the court is concerned, they will rehabilitate this young man. >> that's an explanation. not a justification for the behavior. he suffered no consequences. in a punitive manner for four people. >> he's going to be in a locked down environment for the next couple of years where he's going to be receiving significant therapy. so i think there's going to be

some punitive nature to the sentence, but let's keep in mind, juvenile system isn't about punitive. it's about how do we fix this kid who's clearly broken? >> it's both. it's about rehabilitation, retribution, and someone taking responsibility for their actions at a young age. >> he does a lousy job of taking responsibility. i'll see you on twitter, faith. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. but i don't know. a dog thrown in a car, a young boy too rich to go to fail. that's why we have justice files. and that's why we have those who fight for justice. faith jenkins and darren kavinoky, thank you both for being on the show tonight. >> thanks. still ahead, the birthers are back with a crazy new theory. and donald trump is helping lead the charge. [ woman ] too weak.

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final loi tonight, the birthers are back and exploiting a tragedy. on wednesday a plane crash killed this woman. loretta fuddy, director of hawaii's department of health. it was a sad, tragic accident. but birthers like donald trump seemed to think there's something sinister going on. trump tweeted, quote, how amazing. the state health director who verified copies of obama's birth certificate died in a plane crash today. all others lived. what's trump suggesting? what is he getting at? doesn't he have something better to do? isn't there a war on christmas he can fight? the accident was also the top story at birther headquarters, world net daily.

they used it as an excuse to trot out their favorite conspiracy theories about the president. these birthers are shameless, but thankfully they're heading for the dust bin of history. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. republicans go ballistic. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in new york. let me start tonight with this. third world war in the republican party. 24 hours ago it was just john boehner showing spine against the wild ones out there on the right. the tea partiers from the clown car. what a difference a day made. tonight there's a real war on with boehner and paul ryan manning the fort defending their