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extended family to bury the father of south africa. we'll have a report and also talking to dr. maya angelou. also ahead, the gop civil war. after speaker boehner lashes out, a tea party strikes back. how ugly is this thing going to get? plus unemployed and out of luck. more than a million americans will lose jobless benefits just days after christmas if congress does not act. what the loss really means for real people. and digital dollars. bitcoin a virtual currency. is this the future of money? and this. >> each is a gun no longer killing people. if we can save one life, it's worth it. >> a brave new label designers are recycling illegal guns in to bullets -- recycling illegal

guns and bullets in to jewelry. today's big idea. but we start with news out of london. peter o'toole has died. he became an international i con for his title role in the 1962 film lawyer reps rence of arabi. he sa he was nominated for eights on cars. in 2000 you 3 wh3 when he got a oscar, o'toole initially declined saying i'm still in the game and might win the lovely bugger outright. he eventually accept that hed t award. he died peacefully in the hospital and that there will be a memorial in due course filled with song and good cheer as he would have wished. peter o'toole was 81. south africa bid its final farewell to nelson mandela

earlier today. a military gun salute accompanied the procession as an honor guard carried his casket to his final resting place at the machindela family compound. mandela's grand daughter gave a eulogy where she urged the people of south africa to follow her grandfather's positive example. >> we shall miss your laughter. we will carry lessons you taught us throughout our lives as we make you proud. as south africans, we must stop fri printing figures but lead by can interest amp example as you it. >> richard engel has a recap of the events. >> reporter: today was about memorializing nelson mandela and it was a beautiful service. about 4500 people attempted,

celebrity, mens of the family. some royalty. there were many moving speeches in which they talked about mandela's legacy, his long walk to freedom.president of this country, jacob zuma, said that in a physical sense, that walk to freedom is now over and some south africans said that in many ways for the first time in his life nelson mandela is now finally free. the question is what happens next. what happens next in this country. and there are real challenges, there is poverty, there is crime. the anc, the party that mandela belonged to, is not universally popular. and when the leader of that party and the president, jake okay zuma, when he spoke just a few days ago at that massive memorial service in johannesburg, he was booed by the crowds. apartheid is not over and there

is no official raesist pocist p but still racial tension. and white south africans still own the majority of the land and are worried what will happen to them. will they have a future in this country now that mandela has gone and now 245 that the person who led the building of what he described as a rainbow nation has now been laid to rest.245 t who led the building of what he described as a rainbow nation has now been laid to rest.45 th who led the building of what he described as a rainbow nation has now been laid to rest.5 tha who led the building of what he described as a rainbow nation has now been laid to rest. thato led the building of what he described as a rainbow nation has now been laid to rest. >> come being up in our next hour, i'll talk to maya angelou live. we'll get her take on the life and legacy of nelson mandela, her friend. to politics now. the senate takes up the bipartisan budget deal this week that the house passed thursday. this as house republicans are still reeling from what one leading tea party activist calls the beginning of a civil war. he joins me now. president and ceo of freedom works. matt, this public war of course started this past week when speaker boehner lashed out

against certain members of his own party who opposed the deal even before reading through. take a listen. >> major conservative groups have blasted the deal. >> you mean the groups that came out and opposed to before they ever saw it? >> yes, those groups. are you worry that had -- >> they're using our members and they're using the american people for their own goals. this is ridiculous. listen, if you're for more deficit reduction, you're for this agreement. >> he was referring to among other tea part organizations, matt, of course your group. you have since said boehner was voicing what's been said behind closed doors for quite some time now and that will fight has to be fought right now. what's this fight going to look like, matt? >> i do think it's a fight that has been going on behind the scenes for quite some time. and it's almost generational in its context because you have younger more principled members building a larger and larger

percentage of the house republican majority, and they're looking to actually balance the budget, they're looking to do what they said they were going to do on the campaign trail. and on the other side, you have some people that have been there a very long time, including a number of lobbylobbyists, a numf interests that like business as usual. that's really what we saw in this budget deal. i think we have to have this fight, but this same fight was going on in 2010 behind the scenes. behind will the old establish the republicans on one side and the insurgents coming in. >> are you concerned at all -- i'm sure you are, but how concerned? how concerned are you that this splinters the republican base going in to 2014 and 2016? >> i think republicans win when they stand for something and they have to criticize obamacare with credit and, talk about balancing the budget with credibili credibility. and in the races that matter, you'll see candidates that are on our side on these issues.

it's not about john boehner. it will be about the candidates actually run to go pining to pi seats that replace republicans that voted the wrong way. >> this morning paul ryan on "meet the press" seemed to share speaker boehner's frustration take a listen. >> i think he got his irish up. he was frustrated that these groups came out in opposition to our budget agreement before we reached a budget agreement. i was frustrated, too, but i think these are very important elements of our conservative family. i would prefer to keep those conversations within the family. >> sounds like he's trying to make nice with groups like yours. what is your take on speaker rye apand his bipartisan effort? >> i do think republicans that want to balance the budget do not have an easy job. there is still a wing that wants

to spend who amore money. if republicans want to succeed in politics, they will have to figure out a way do something mob in.c. wants to do which is rein in spending. >> i want to call your attention, i'm sure you've seen this, there are a few states, maybe new hampshire that are as important to republicans as iowa. it shows paul ryan tops the list with a 73% favorite ability rating followed by muck huckabee, rick santorum. and then tied for fifth, rand paul and chris christie and jeb bu bush. at the bottom of that poll, ted cruz and marco rubio. what does the fact that someone like a ted cruz or marco rubio, what does that say to that you they are at the bottom of that poll amongst iowa voters? >> it says a lot about name i.d.

and you're look at paul ryan who ran for office. by the way that poll was taken as i understand it before this budget deal which probably changes those numbers somewhat. but i would love a big open competitive republican primary where these ideas are debated in open and where some of these young insurgents get a standing chance to challenge the status quo. >> but here is the thing, though. you and i both know that, okay, let's just say that happens. and a guy like a rubio or rand paul wins a primary as has been demonstrated in the past when the general election rolls around, those guys have a very difficult time reaching the lion's share of voters who decide presidential elections in this country, the 45% of the independent voters who make up the elections. >> i think the opposite is probably true and the experts were saying the same thing about ronald reagan in 1976, that he was going to ruin the republican party, that all of this in-fighting and this civil war was going to tear it apart.

i think the opposite is true. you're talking about a new generation of people that stand for something that is very compelling to independents. >> okay. matt, remains to be scene. thanks so much for your time. undoing the past. is lgbt rights expand, the world psychiatric association is vowing change. why its new leader says the industry owes the gay community an apology. and what else is out there? a new report says that the u.s. may never know what edward snowden actually stole from the u.s. government. we'll put that to the brain trust right after this. [ sniffles, coughs ] shhhh!

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esther arma, bob franken, and peter sutt eveerman. the fact the u.s. will never know could be of benefit to noed snowden. take a listen. >> he seems to have a negotiating edge because he can hold this overhang over us a in terms of negotiating. but i wouldn't do it. and i understand the attraction. but i wouldn't do it because that simply motivates future snowdens to do these kinds of things. >> what do you think about snowden and amnesty? >> one thing interesting is the idea of how the government treats whistleblowers. so that's a personality question. but the bigger issue is the people and the power and w45 it is the nchlns schlnsa does.

should snowden be criminalized? absolutely not. because the bigger -- >> absolutely not? >> to me absolutely not. >> he's a whistleblower this your eyes? >> i'm much more focused in what he restreeled revealed about tht reach into people's lives. when we make it too much about personality, i think we allow politics to detract from the issue around the power and the people. >> snowden has been assailed as a criminal by many, hailed as a hero by some, including esther here. but why isn't the -- >> i didn't say it whe was apan here and here row? >> the focus is not on the system.

>> personality often drives these narratives. and i think that is somewhat unfortuna unfortunate. i think it's interesting that the nsa is now complaining about how snowden has more information -- has so much information that they don't even know the extent of it. and that's kind of -- turn about for the nsa which url is the organization that has all of this secret information where the public and members of congress, even members of congress on the intelligence committees don't know what it is that the nsa is doing and how much the nsa actually knows. it's fair play here. >> keith alexander was asked that wiwill run tonight about t ns after the monitoring of phone records. this is what he said that the nsa can see. >> the to phone number, duration of the call and the date and time. that's all you get. all we can do is tell the fbi that number is talking to

somebody who is very bad. you ought to go look at it. >> he makes it sound pretty innocent there. he makes it sound pretty run-of-the-mill. are you convinced? >> well, no, i'm not. and to be honest with you, i always have a predisposition against the claims of people, the public claims of people, in the ti intelligence and law enforcement people. but we do know some of these people lied to congress, that they will in fact went places they were the not supposed to go with their electronic eavesdropping. so a good question might be should some of them get amnesty or be prosecuted. >> the "new york times" also reporting today that president obama has decided to keep the national security agency and the pentagon cyber warfare branch under the same demand despite concerns that it concentrates too much power in the hands of a single military official. are you surprised at all that president obama has not taken

more steps to reform these wide scale surveillance practices that have been roundly ridiculed by many ton the left? >> i think the challenge is that the runaway narrative was created about the absolute lack of control around the nsa. and then trying to reclaim that narrative, controlling the publicly iation of the report. but to claim the narrative back i think for us for the people i think will always be a question of that amount of power should not be in the hands of a single official. and the bigger issue is where we've been lied to by the nsa. so the focus on snowden is always the bigger detraction. >> the brain trust, thank you. random acts of christmas kindness, complete strangers across this country are paying

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in his studio, phillip works metal into artful jewelry. but if you ask him, he's making much more than a ring or bracelet. >> for me this is an amazing opportunity to do what i do and actually make a difference. >> making a difference because at one time, this metal served a very different purpose. >> each one of those is a dozen bullet thos longs no longer tik people. >> they take illegal guns, destroys them and transforms them into jewelry. then they give part of their profits to organizations that are trying to reduce gun violence. >> in the case of illegal guns, it involves despair and hopelessness and we're turning it in to something positive and beautiful. >> it's the visual of peter thune. in 2009, he started a similar crusade in africa which makes

high he said jewelry from ak-47 assault rifles. >> most of the people i talk to about that idea said this would never work. we've now removed over 32,000 gu guns from circulation in africa. >> and while he thought about bringing it to the u.s., it was an unthinkable tragedy that prompted him to act. >> word of a school shooting. >> after sandy hook, peter and his wife came to us and they were like, you know, we really need to focus on the united states. >> whun you meet someone and they tell you how they lost their kid to gun violence, if everybody could have that conversation, i think we'd all view this issue very differently in this country. >> thune contacted local city and police officials across america about getting guns from buy back programs and those being released from evidence. and he's found partners in cities like philadelphia. >> the police have been incredibly helpful to us, helping us to get into the

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good sunday to you. here is a quick look at other top news. john mccain spoke at an anti-government rally in ukraine. demonstrations erupted last month after their president decided to strengthen ties with moscow. the u.s. post office says it will be extending deliveries to sundays in some cities at least until christmas. it's all because of high demand for those holiday packages. the post office expects 420 million packages to be delivered during the holiday this is year. and freshman florida state request jameis winston won the heisman trophy last night in what appears to be a landslide vote. winston becomes the youngest winner ever. he's only 19. back it po

back to politics. for the long term it unemployed in this country, there is not much to cheer about. the hail failed to include and it x. tension ever emergency unemployment benefits in that budget, more than a million people will lose their benefits after december 28th. and according to the center for budget and policy priorities, nearly 5 million americans could lose out on benefits over the next year. i want to bring some the executive director of workforce development for yonkers, new york. and a mother of four currently receiving unemployment benefits. thank you both for being with me on sunday. we want to talk about this. senate majority leader harry reid, this is what he said last week. said he's going to try to get the cuts reinstated. take a listen. >> we have a number of republicans who have stated publicly including the senator from nevada that -- a republican that will support an extension of unemployment benefits unpaid for.

so i'm anxious to move forward on this, that will be first item of business. and of course we'll try to make it retroactive for the days that we lose. >> what happens if senator reid cannot make good on that, what happens at your job center specifically? >> well, specifically at our job center, as a result these people will lose their unemployment insurance. and unemployment insurance is a vital life line for americans to go ahead and put food on the table, pay bills and move forward with their lives while trying to look for employment. what happens is people come into our centers and they look to our counselors to seek employment. and we're there as a resource for them. we have many different areas resources. there is the new york state department of labor, we also have employment information, we have resources for them to use there, thax faxes, computers tn

use. they can have itas. >> lots of resources. >> what would it mean to you and your family if you were to lose your unemployment benefits at the end of the month? >> well, it's already tough making it on what we're currently getting. so it would be just that much more difficult for my family to move forward. >> and you've been unemployed since the summer of this year. and you've been looking. >> yes. >> there is a common misconception that a lot are just sitting at home waiting on the checks to come. >> that's not the case. >> and you've also spent the time doing what else? >> of been enrolled in the department through the department of labor, taking a clinical medical assistant course so that i can move forward toward my nursing license. i've put in for some applications at different colleges because i'm switching

careers. itch my undergrad and graduate degree and it looks like i'm over employed for a lot of opportunities that are available. >> overqualified. >> yes. >> how much harder is to land a job if you've been unemployed for six months, nine months, a year? >> it is a little more difficult only because the employer sees you as being out there without doing anything. they don't realize she is working towards something, she is taking classes.is bettering . so the employer has to realize that they aren't just sitting down, they have to come in and be assessed, reassessed, and see what's going wrong. >> really quickly, what advise do you give to folks unemployed for some time?

>>. >> your resume gives and you snapshot of who you are. don't make it too woredy. keep it precise. bullet points. make the employer seek you out and go a three minute deal with yourself as far as introducing yourself. first question they will ask is tell me about yourself. so you want to be able to hit that right out of the park right away. >> thank you both. and when you find that job, want to you come back on and tell us about it. good luck to you and keep the faith. >> thank you. the new head of the world's global psychiatric community is proposing something revolutionary. a radical rethink of the way that homosexuality has been defined and treated by the mental health community. and he thinks that gay people are owed and apology. it's a major departure from the way that homosexuality was viewed by the signing i can't

tell trick community in the past. in the middle of the 20th century, a leading psychoanalyst wrote homosexuality was a neurotic disease mch extremely severe and unavoidable self damaging tendencies engulf the whole personality. in 1952, the american psychiatric institute officially classified it as a mental disorder. it took until 1973 for that diagnosis to be deleted. so where do we stand today? the incoming president of the world psychiatric association joins us. good to see you, sir. thanks for being with me. >> good evening. >> you have said that the psychiatric world owes the lgbt community an apology. why? >> i think it's not only lgbt

community, over the periods as our scientific knowledge accumulates, we need to start being much more honest about what we can and cannot do. >> for many year, techniques like aversion and conversion therapies have been advocated as cures for homosexuality. how much proof is that therethat those techniques actually work? >> there is incredibly limited proof that either of those treatments work. one of the things we have to bear in mind, our responsibility is to the society. and part of the definitions of deefiance are determined by societies. and we needed to advocate for our patients the best way we

can. >> how much sway does the psychiatric association has in influencing the way that the international community treats gay people? >> part of our responsibility acai coulda psychiatrists is to ensure that we look at the evidence both scientific and relationship with the society and try and negotiate our contract with society. what is it society expects psychiatrists to do and how do we do the best for our patients. and particularly we know that they're the most vulnerable and most stigmatized individuals and we have to fight for their rights and for making sure that they get the best treatments available. >> what prompted this sudden suggestion that your organization apologize and what has prompted this decision to

dramatically change the way that we treat homosexuality? >>. >> there are lots of reasons. over the years, we have changed, the profession has changed, the profession has become much more aware of pluses and minuses of what we do. and it's time to have an honest debate. part of the reason why this has become a hot topic now that precisely we've seen in russia and australia attitudes are changing dramatically and becoming much more rigid. at the same time today is nelson mandela's funeral and african national congress leds assist the first country where equality

of rights was founded. >> doctor, thank you so much, sir. do appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. thank you. and as he mentioned there, thousands in attendance today as nelson mandela was laid to rest in south africa. up next, i'll talk live to maya angelou, she'll share some of her personal memories of mr. mandela. also a little later, the bitcoin boom. more people are using the alternative online currency. but is it here to stay or will it go away?

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you taught us, and that you loved us. >> that was dr. maya angelou's poem. a tribute to nelson mandela, of course laid to rest this morning in his hometown surrounded by dignita dignitaries, celebrities and thousands of onlookers. she joins me on the phone. always good to have you on the broadcast. first of all, with his burial today, it marks the end of mandela's passage. what have you been reflecting on over the last few days? >> i'm pleased to talk with you again. that's first. i don't know if this is the end of his pass allege. i know this is the end of part of the ceremony. but -- >> what do you mean? >> his gifts are so great and

so -- >> did we lose her? okay. i'm sorry we lost you there for a second. but i think we have you back. what were you saying about this not necessarily being be the end of his passage? and we lost her again. we'll try to get her back ton te phone. let go to flashback. the time to flashback to this day in 1998, that's when the u.s. house of representatives recommended impeaching president bill clinton for high clirimes d his attempt to cover up his affair with monica lewinsky. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> now let's flashback to this day in 1939 when the movie gone with the wind made its world

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we're back. let's pick up right where we left on that. you were saying that this is not necessarily the end of the passage of nelson mandela. what did you mean? >> what i mean is that his gift to us, our inheritance is so ground, that we will continue to understand who we are and whose we are and how important it is that we are alive and

responsible to each other. all of this, this will continue to develop with us. we will continue to liberate south africa and south africa and southern africans from ignorance. we will continue to liberate them from ignorance. i think so. that's the gift of nelson mandela. >> dr. angelo, i know you met him a few times -- >> i need you to speak louder. i can hardly hear you. >> i know you met him a few times. you spent some time with him. what has been lost in the coverage? what do we not know about the man that nelson mandela was? >> what we don't know is what we don't want to know. because he's been very obvious. and his gifts to us have been very clear. if we don't know it, it's just because we are being stupid. the truth is, he has shown us how to forgive.

i mean, being in jail for 27 years, and when he was out, my great -- one of my blessings was to be a part of the hillary clinton delegation to south africa. so i was there to watch him being inaugurated as president. africa's first -- and to watch him and to see sitting at the -- in treasured seats were the guards who had been with him, against him, all those years, for 27 years. he invited them to be present at his inauguration. not to say, yeah, yeah, look at me now. but to say, welcome. this is our south africa. we must make it a country with

respect and appreciation and dignity. and even love. that's what he said. now, that's a gift. that doesn't end just because the man is dead. >> amen. >> this is what i mean. that his gifts to us are so great. that they help us all around the world. not just in south africa. but in our -- in our country. >> dr. maya angelou, always a pleasure. >> i can't hear you. >> i said, dr. maya angelou, always a pleasure. >> oh, thank you, mr. melvin. my pleasure to talk to you. >> how you doing? you doing well? >> doing very well, thank you. looking forward to talking to you the next time. >> any time you want to we'll put you on television. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> i do love dr. maya angelou.

do you still buy things with cash or credit? you may not have to carry either one of those things for very much longer. many believe that soon you'll be able to pay your bills with a virtual online currency. it's one of the biggest -- the one with the biggest buzz right now is bitcoin. what it is, will it last, is it safe? alex winter. deep web. the untold story of bitcoin and is silk road. and andrea peterson. technology reporter for the "washington post." andrea, in the simplest of terms for people watching and listening who may not know a great deal about this, what is bitcoin? why use it instead of real money? >> hi. so thanks so much for having me on, craig. so bitcoin actually refers to both an online payment technology and a digital currency that's used by that payment technology.

the two big differences are that it is decentralized and peer to peer. there's not some big company propping it up or dealing with shareholders. and that it does use digital currency also termed bitcoin, it's not the same thing as the u.s. dollar. >> alex, you've been looking at a connection between bitcoin and the internet. still corrode the online drug marketplace that was shutdown. what have you found so far about the bitcoin culture? >> first of all, out of fairness i would separate it. one of the main things i found was that there's very little connection between bitcoin and the black market in terms of them being inexplicably tied together. >> everyone using bitcoin is not buying weed? >> absolutely not. thank you for putting it so clearly. that's what i keep saying. it's sort of getting a bad rap. bitcoin is actually an extremely disruptive idea if you look at

it. it's a currency that is totally separated from banks and governments. so it exists completely separate from other currencies. so it is -- if paypal was an actual currency, if it was money itself, that is essentially what bitcoin is. it operates online as its own money. >> what's behind the latest surge in popularity? >> you know, i think that it's actually generally being used by more and more people in the marketplace. the more it actually gets traded, the more it becomes a genuine currency. much like the way a regular fiat currency does. which means it becomes not much different from a u.s. dollar or euro, the more people actually use it. >> andrea, what did we see happen recently in china? >> so china recently, the government decided that it was comfortable using it for government services. it had briefly been accepted as a payment method for some online-related things with the chinese government.

internet service provider connections. but they decided to end that opportunity. and there was in the market a response which was a drop in the price of bitcoins on a lot of the major exchanges. even with that drop, there have been a lot of very significant changes in the value of bitcoin. in the month of november alone, i believe the price on mt. goth, which is one of the most popular exchanges, varied between around $200 to over $1,000. >> alex, really quickly. is this the future? is this the future of internet currency or is this going to go the way of myspace? >> look, we don't know whether b bitcoin is going to be the future of currency or digital currency. digital currency is here to stay. if you stop and think about what that means it's a pretty disruptive idea. a new form of money outside the regulation of banks and governments. >> crazy. >> it is. >> come back when the documentary's ready. >> will do. >> alex winter, andrea peterson.

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